some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier

[VestCunt]

None of you lost some one today, did you? if you did, my condolences, if you did not, shut the hell up, you have no idea what its like. your not fooling anyone, by defending your opinions while others are sufffering.

I've never been a fan of the "so-and-so-doesn't-exhibit-the-right-amount-of-empathy-so-I'm-going-to-condemn-them" card.

[HercTNT]

that fine. its a free country. if you know how they feel then great. if you don't the stfu. its funny how people use situations like this to defend thier rights. you don't need to defend your rights. no one has taken them away. let it be what it is. some crazy asshole used this opportunity to secure this moment of fame. if that were not true, would be still be discussing it? no. are your rights taken away? no! let the families morn and let the dead be buried. am i wrong. if i am. why are we discussing it any further? its over, let it go.

[Joe Redifer]

None of you lost some one today, did you? if you did, my condolences, if you did not, shut the hell up, you have no idea what its like.

if you know how they feel then great. if you don't the stfu.

Who made you the arbiter of who say anything and who can't?

[VestCunt]

that fine. its a free country. if you know how they feel then great. if you don't the stfu. its funny how people use situations like this to defend thier rights. you don't need to defend your rights. no one has taken them away. let it be what it is. some crazy asshole used this opportunity to secure this moment of fame. if that were not true, would be still be discussing it? no. are your rights taken away? no! let the families morn and let the dead be buried. am i wrong. if i am. why are we discussing it any further? its over, let it go.

Oh, I'm sorry. Are my emotions out of line with your ego?

A few problems with judging dialog and telling people to shut up:
1) everyone processes emotions differently. Some people need a candlelight vigil, others need to crack jokes and argue. Who are you to judge that? Telling everyone to conform to your emotional process is arrogance. Some things might be in bad taste (like the usual NRA statements that follow shooting tragedies), but as long as no one is spewing the language of violence and retaliation, it's none of your business.
2) you have no idea how anyone is actually feeling.  For all you know, we all read the news and cried buckets. Don't tell Joe he's an asshole just because he's bitching about the media's interview choices.
3) telling people that they can't possibly fathom the loss of the victims' families is also arrogant. Suffering is the promise that life always keeps. No, I've never had a loved one mowed down by a maniac, but we've all lost loved ones. Everyone's been kicked in the nuts often enough to earn a seat in the ballpark of empathy. So get off your high horse and stop telling strangers that their feelings are inferior.

[PikachuWarrior]

You've just been served!

[HercTNT]

All i can say is i got carried away. I have my emotions and feelings to. i'm not sure how that gives me an ego, but telling others to can it is wrong and i'm sorry for that. I have lost three friends to suicide with guns. One put a bullet in his head. One used a shotgun in his mouth with his little children in the next room. One emptied two magazines of 9mm into his sister saving the last bullet for himself.  I let my personal feelings get away from me.

[esteban]

The police finally released a photograph of the gunman:

[HercTNT]

LOL!!

[VestCunt]

All i can say is i got carried away. I have my emotions and feelings to. i'm not sure how that gives me an ego, but telling others to can it is wrong and i'm sorry for that. I have lost three friends to suicide with guns. One put a bullet in his head. One used a shotgun in his mouth with his little children in the next room. One emptied two magazines of 9mm into his sister saving the last bullet for himself.  I let my personal feelings get away from me.

Thanks for saying so. My response was a bit strong too. I'm sorry about the friends you've lost.

[HercTNT]

I appreciate it. My losses don't give me an excuse to be an asshole. once again, i'm sorry guys. lets move on.

[RegalSin]

LOL!!

Nahhh!!!! Ctop is too buffed out to do anything like that. You know he is wearing make up or had face surgery. If you look at his earlier days they look more natural.

[soop]

Everyone's been kicked in the nuts often enough to earn a seat in the ballpark of empathy.

I know it's all settled, but I really liked that.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Wouldn't have helped.  He bought a ticket and sat with the audience.  After the movie started, he went out the emergency exit, propped the door open and got on his gear and grabbed his weapons from his car.  His gear included a groin protector.

Yeah, I saw that bit of info after my post.

Time to install alarms at all emergency exits so when jackasses open them, alarms go off.  He wouldn't have had time to stroll out to his car and put on his Counter Strike outfit before someone spotted him.

This is going to be like how they ramped up airport security after the 9/11.  Cops at all big movie premieres, moar cameras, etc.

Good thing most of the movies I go to some goony-ass theatre where usually theres like 8 people there including employees.

Noones going to shoot up a theatre with 3 people in it.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Time to install alarms at all emergency exits so when jackasses open them, alarms go off.  He wouldn't have had time to stroll out to his car and put on his Counter Strike outfit before someone spotted him.

So he'd shoot 'em in the parking lot, or at the local department store, or at a school sporting event, or at a park, or etc.  No amount of security can reliably predict and stop bat shit nutters - the only chance is for people to pay attention to the warning signs, not that those are always there either.

[guyjin]

Time to install alarms at all emergency exits so when jackasses open them, alarms go off. 

This is the case in almost every place I've ever seen with fire exits. Is it typical for movie theaters not to do this? or did they just get left off (which sometimes happens)?

[Arkhan Asylum]

So he'd shoot 'em in the parking lot, or at the local department store, or at a school sporting event, or at a park, or etc.  No amount of security can reliably predict and stop bat shit nutters - the only chance is for people to pay attention to the warning signs, not that those are always there either.

yep, but you might as well put in security-attempts where you can.

[Gogan]

My heart skipped a beat en route to work Friday morning cuz they were talking about a shooting at the midnight premiere, but weren't saying where. My son went to the showing by us. They soon said where, and I was relieved for our sake, But also saddened for the families/people involved.

 There's virtually nothing you can do to prevent these "soft targets" from attacks. A big anti-gun nut I know  said it's the ease of obtaining such guns that's the problem, and should be banned. While it might be easier to obtain such weapons than in other countries, I'll agree there, it ain't the problem. These batshit crazy turds would get them anyway. Outlaw guns, then only outlaws have em. Just a sad sad situation.

[PCEngineHell]

Good thing most of the movies I go to some goony-ass theatre where usually theres like 8 people there including employees.

No ones going to bother shooting up some back room porn theater at a adult only store anyway.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Good thing most of the movies I go to some goony-ass theatre where usually theres like 8 people there including employees.

No ones going to bother shooting up some back room porn theater at a adult only store anyway.

Oh, they'll be shooting it up plenty.

.....but it won't be with bullets.

[PikachuWarrior]

What will it be, O wise one?

[Arkhan Asylum]

What will it be, O wise one?

baby batter.

[PikachuWarrior]

HA. never heard it like that before.

[RegalSin]

Yes the new Batman is auwful. 1990's Bat is where it's at.....just until Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin. Okay Batman forever was also decent, because it had a GTA styled videogame released for the PSX.

[NightWolve]

I wasn't gonna let this incident ruin it, so I saw the movie Saturday, thought it was decent enough - the first one under Chris Nolan (Batman Begins) still remains my favorite (Liam Neeson, and ass-kicking ninjas living up in the mountains always makes the difference in my book), though. Major Complaint: I think it's time that movie theaters/industry offered a way to view subtitles, like maybe with special glasses that make them visible for those that want them while invisible without them. Half the time, I could not understand what the main villain Bane was saying through that muzzle of his... It's a 3 hour movie, pretty satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, but I almost have to get the Blu-Ray just so I can get to understand what Bane was saying.

Anyway, it's too bad some psycho asshole used the movie to get himself into the history books - Nolan issued a statement about this in response. It is like estaban said, "The horror, for me, is how the assault mirrors the games, films and music we love." Like he wanted to take the violence reflected in the movie and make it live for those that came to see it... Sort of like, "Hah, surprise!! Didn't see this one coming, did ya? *reloads* *fires away*"

In other news, far Left democrats figured out a way to blame Sarah Palin ("Don't retreat, reload!"), the Tea Party, and right-wing AM Talk Radio (Rush Limbaugh) for inspiring this attacker. ;) I see the NRA was already in the cross-hairs before I got here, no surprise there!

[RegalSin]

Okay, basically he is saying, to people this makes no difference, between the movie or if it was real. Like many other past events, this one too, will fade away into ficticious thinking like September 2001, Timothy Mcbay, Lousiana, or the Chicago Fire.

Or maybe he is saying, the media will once again blame violence in fictional works, and go back to furry comics, and TNMNT. Then again he said that to dodge gun law.

Palin is basically a minor, casuality. That news is for the people who do not even have internet, rocking their chairs back and forth in the middle of nowhere.

[TheClash603]

Good thing most of the movies I go to some goony-ass theatre where usually theres like 8 people there including employees.

No ones going to bother shooting up some back room porn theater at a adult only store anyway.

I go to the ghetto downtown theater too, where it is typically just me and a handful of black people.  When I saw no other white people at Batman, it made me feel safer.  Black people typically don't do crazy theater shoot-ups/Columbine shit.

[PikachuWarrior]

Mcveigh I thought it was O_o

[Joe Redifer]

In other news, far Left democrats figured out a way to blame Sarah Palin ("Don't retreat, reload!"), the Tea Party, and right-wing AM Talk Radio (Rush Limbaugh) for inspiring this attacker. ;) I see the NRA was already in the cross-hairs before I got here, no surprise there!

Is it their fault now?  I've seen it argued that Obama staged it so he could win the election by being sympathetic.  And of course he made the new Batman movie solely to attack Mittens because he worked for some place called Bain.  I guess this whole thing is the fault of whoever anyone wants it to be.

[Sadler]

In other news, far Left democrats figured out a way to blame Sarah Palin ("Don't retreat, reload!"), the Tea Party, and right-wing AM Talk Radio (Rush Limbaugh) for inspiring this attacker. ;) I see the NRA was already in the cross-hairs before I got here, no surprise there!

Is it their fault now?  I've seen it argued that Obama staged it so he could win the election by being sympathetic.  And of course he made the new Batman movie solely to attack Mittens because he worked for some place called Bain.  I guess this whole thing is the fault of whoever anyone wants it to be.

I know it's cliche, but it's no ones fault but the shooters. I don't understand why people are trying to pin this on any group. What are you going to do with that information?

[RegalSin]

Also every Batman movie after "Batman Return" starting with "Batman and Robin"

I go to the ghetto downtown theater too, where it is typically just me and a handful of black people.  When I saw no other white people at Batman, it made me feel safer.  Black people typically don't do crazy theater shoot-ups/Columbine shit.

ROTFL...........ha ha ha.......run you pockets ha ha

[NightWolve]

I don't understand why people are trying to pin this on any group.

For opportunistic, partisan political gain of course, why else? Happens all the time. One of the worse cases I saw was when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head last year.

I've seen it argued that Obama staged it so he could win the election by being sympathetic.

I dunno how anybody would attempt to make a serious connection to Obama in that way. That's too ridiculous to be taken seriously with no way to link it. In contrast, there were serious attempts to link "violent rhetoric" (e.g. "Don't retreat, reload!") and crosshair use on district maps by Sarah Palin to the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, not just by hacks on forums, but by MSM news anchors. ABC7 Chicago was talking about the incident and reporting that Sarah had removed the crosshair stuff, didn't bother to report that that was standard stuff used by both parties for years, and instead one of them sarcastically says, "Gee, thanks Sarah" as if to make a serious connection that her crosshair image use on Gabrielle's district led to the assassination attempt, that it inspired the assassin, etc.. Overall, there was a deliberate attempt to embarrass and pin some blame on her which forced her to apologize and remove that stuff from her website, etc.

And of course he made the new Batman movie solely to attack Mittens because he worked for some place called Bain.

The Bain/Bane rumblings have been about how democrats can connect Romney and his former company (Bain capital) to the villain in the movie to help smear him and whatnot. Jon Stewart already joked about it. It started here on the 16th. Democratic adviser and former Clinton aide Christopher Lehane says, "Whether it is spelled Bain and being put out by the Obama campaign or Bane and being out by Hollywood, the narratives are similar: a highly intelligent villain with offshore interests and a past both are seeking to cover up who had a powerful father and is set on pillaging society..." The other aspect to it asks if it was an intentional choice to name the character 'Bane' so as to make the connection to 'Bain', but that's very silly/wrong since the Bane character was created in the 1990s; it was already apart of Batman comic history. Entirely coincidental the Bain/Bane name game (as it's being referred to).

Also every Batman movie after "Batman Return" starting with "Batman and Robin"

Heh-heh, this guy... OK, I think you forgot to finish your thought there. So after every Batman movie after "Batman Returns" starting with "Batman & Robin" what ??

[VestCunt]

the first one under Chris Nolan (Batman Begins) still remains my favorite (Liam Neeson, and ass-kicking ninjas living up in the mountains always makes the difference in my book),

Yeah, the first half of Batman Begins was awesome (not that the rest of the movie wasn't great, but the first half was especially good).  It was totally new and unexpected for a Batman movie. I also liked the unusual Gotham aesthetic and having villains I wasn't familiar with.

Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.

[VestCunt]

I don't understand why people are trying to pin this on any group.

For opportunistic, partisan political gain of course, why else? Happens all the time. One of the worse cases I saw was when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head last year.

It was funny how she was suddenly a Republican according to Fox News.

[NightWolve]

It was funny how she was suddenly a Republican according to Fox News.

Hm, I thought I heard she was an ex-republican, about it. Her Wiki page just says, "She has described herself as a 'former Republican'" - but she's always been a democrat publicly. Well, I'd be surprised if they managed get a party label wrong again. Stuff like that is too easy to use to attack one's credibility. They made that mistake before with Mark Foley, but fixed it in the next rebroadcast of that same show. But I remember an image being paraded around of him wrongly being reported as a democrat way back in that case.

Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.

I think that was apart of the the problem too, the volume was way too high for this movie causing distortion at times. I just could not understand Bane most of the time, other parts of the movie too!

[Sadler]

No.

[Joe Redifer]

Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.

Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd.  I see (hear) this A LOT.  Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot.  It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.  The biggest issue is that the technician uses his RTA to EQ the auditorium and he EQs straight to the line.  Once it looks OK on the RTA he unplugs and moves on to the next auditorium.  This is absolutely the wrong way to do a B-chain in an auditorium.  A technician worth his salt will listen to known material after his B-chain and make the necessary adjustments.  Yup, you've got to bring with you sound that you are intimately familiar with and test it each and every time.  You cannot rely solely on what the equipment tells you or you will end up with awful, harsh sound.  My auditorium EQs can be turned up much more than other theaters and nobody ever complains that it is too loud despite the dial being at 7 or a bit above (most theaters run at 6 at the highest).  Loud doesn't mean painful.  Benjamin Bratt complimented me on my sound when he screened a movie he directed in an auditorium I EQ'd.  I also took one of the worst sounding auditoriums for Star Wars Episode 1 and made it into one of the best sounding just by redoing the entire B-chain.  This was noticed by customers but not anyone from a studio.  Unfortunately I don't work in the theater biz any more so I'm pretty disappointed any time I see a movie in a theater these days.  Thank the flying spaghetti monster for good home theater sound.

[soop]

That's pretty interesting about the sound.  I considered a home cinema sound system a few years back, but I have a funny shaped room, and I don't really want to spend a lot.  I have to say, although I don't go to the movies a lot, Idon't really notice the sound being bad - and since I have really good hearing, I would have thought I'd notice if it caused me discomfort.

Actually, I listen to the radio a lot, and I do tend to notice bad levels - if you remember that Dre song from about 2 years back where there's a flatline noise in the middle of a song?  On normal volume, with earphones, that was fucking earsplitting on BBC radio.  I sent them an email telling them to sort it the fuck out, and whether or not that was the catalyst, they did shortly after.  It's a shit song anyway.  But they do often get it wrong with higher pitches.

[esteban]

Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.

Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd.  I see (hear) this A LOT.  Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot.  It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.  The biggest issue is that the technician uses his RTA to EQ the auditorium and he EQs straight to the line.  Once it looks OK on the RTA he unplugs and moves on to the next auditorium.  This is absolutely the wrong way to do a B-chain in an auditorium.  A technician worth his salt will listen to known material after his B-chain and make the necessary adjustments.  Yup, you've got to bring with you sound that you are intimately familiar with and test it each and every time.  You cannot rely solely on what the equipment tells you or you will end up with awful, harsh sound.  My auditorium EQs can be turned up much more than other theaters and nobody ever complains that it is too loud despite the dial being at 7 or a bit above (most theaters run at 6 at the highest).  Loud doesn't mean painful.  Benjamin Bratt complimented me on my sound when he screened a movie he directed in an auditorium I EQ'd.  I also took one of the worst sounding auditoriums for Star Wars Episode 1 and made it into one of the best sounding just by redoing the entire B-chain.  This was noticed by customers but not anyone from a studio.  Unfortunately I don't work in the theater biz any more so I'm pretty disappointed any time I see a movie in a theater these days.  Thank the flying spaghetti monster for good home theater sound.

I had never considered the procedure that technicians use when setting levels in a theatre. I thought that staff just fooled around with things (trial and error) until it sounded "OK".

Yes, I'm serious. I'm totally ignorant about the theatre scene.

But I can relate to the harsh acoustics. I always assumed it was the source material/over-worked sound equipment at theatre. It never occurred to me that you could actually adjust the EQ. Ha!

[PikachuWarrior]

Knowing is half the battle!

[NightWolve]

Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd.  I see (hear) this A LOT.  Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.

Yeah, what he's describing is what I experienced: I couldn't tell what Bane was saying most of the time, a voice which I have since learned was manipulated for effect and the explosions/gunfire would blast my eardrums! This is the 2nd time I've been to this particular theater, I saw the new Alien movie Prometheus there. I don't go to theaters much, but I don't remember a case where it was this bad.

Anyway, I'm not the best judge because I think I have lost some hearing and I do prefer watching movies with subtitles on these days; I'd turn them off, but then a point would come when something wasn't clear and I'd have to rewind, turn them back on to understand it, so eventually I just gave up and now I always keep them on... It sucks cause I can't keep my eyes from looking at them first, a habit that develops with their use - you're looking down most of the time, missing facial expressions, etc.

[soop]

Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd.  I see (hear) this A LOT.  Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.

Yeah, what he's describing is what I experienced: I couldn't tell what Bane was saying most of the time, a voice which I have since learned was manipulated for effect and the explosions/gunfire would blast my eardrums! This is the 2nd time I've been to this particular theater, I saw the new Alien movie Prometheus there. I don't go to theaters much, but I don't remember a case where it was this bad. Anyway, I'm not the best judge because I think I have lost some hearing and I do prefer watching movies with subtitles on these days; I'd turn them off, but then a point would come when something wasn't clear and I'd have to rewind, turn them back on to understand it, so eventually I just gave up and now I always keep them on... It sucks cause I can't keep my eyes from looking at them first, a habit that develops with their use - you're looking down most of the time, missing facial expressions, etc.

[NightWolve]

Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd.  I see (hear) this A LOT.  Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.

Yeah, what he's describing is what I experienced: I couldn't tell what Bane was saying most of the time, a voice which I have since learned was manipulated for effect and the explosions/gunfire would blast my eardrums! This is the 2nd time I've been to this particular theater, I saw the new Alien movie Prometheus there. I don't go to theaters much, but I don't remember a case where it was this bad. Anyway, I'm not the best judge because I think I have lost some hearing and I do prefer watching movies with subtitles on these days; I'd turn them off, but then a point would come when something wasn't clear and I'd have to rewind, turn them back on to understand it, so eventually I just gave up and now I always keep them on... It sucks cause I can't keep my eyes from looking at them first, a habit that develops with their use - you're looking down most of the time, missing facial expressions, etc.

Hahaha! Way to lighten the thread up! That was awesome!!

I guess we'd rather not really think of the reality here. At some level I just said to myself I'm not gonna let it affect me much. Hell, I live in Chicago after all, murder capital of the US at times - getting gunned down in the wrong part of town is a way of life. We had jokes told for that one year when more people were killed here than US troops in Iraq, prompting a sort of "Hey, it's getting safer in Iraq than in a US city! WTF?" line of joking... Heh.