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[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!]

Is it really necessary to do ultra limited runs of repros?

Is this artificial inflation of resale value that results from being extremely limited, just to appease collectors?

IMO have no problem with buying boots, but they shouldn't be treated as collectibles, but rather as a cheaper alternative to the genuine article. Extreme limited editions defeat this purpose.

Yes, I'm  here, just adding my 2 cents. Been out of the loop for a while. Glad to have had the oppurtunity to pad my Hucard collection a bit with a few placeholders for the super-rares. Thank you Turbokon. 

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?]

Some stores threw out neo geo aes games because barely anyone could afford them

I never understood the corporate climate of destroy merch rather than clearance it. Donate if you must. Is it for tax incentives? Closeout/clearance sales net you more profit than outright destruction of goods, which AFAIK is zero.

I mean look at Walmart and Best Buy have bargain DVD bins. Then stores like Big Lots sell closeout merch from other stores for cheap. Department stores clearance seasonal merch. I've bought $60 shirts for $3 in March because they were long sleeved. Sat in the closet for six months but I got good usage of those clothes.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?]

Esty, I didn't know you worked for TTI! 

I never did.

Not in reality, that is.

If that was a joke then it flew right over my head 

whooooosh

Perhaps he was under NDA and does not want to self-incriminate? Then again, if the company is disbanded, past NDA contracts are probably null and meaningless. Look at all these colorful stories from interviews with past Atari execs.

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I kinda hope that all these newer consoles that can emulate roms of old games (Polymega, Game Freak, Retron 5) will finally let people play the games they grew up with and not need to spend a fortune and bring the price down, but then I remember folks like PCE Works and I'm not so sure...

Last I checked, there was no massive price drop on Turbografx games after the Turbo Everdrive was released. Instead they shot up like a rocket.

Perhaps Turbochip price inflation fueled Everdrive sales, but the Everdrive did nothing to slow the trend. Nor did the recent Turbokon reprods. People who just want to play the games, ie Magical Chase, now have other option besides scoring an original game card, yet collectors continue to price themselves out of the market with no end in sight.

Surely noone takes a second mortgage on their home to own their personal holy grail???

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Whenever I go to GameXChange I look at the shelves and it's nothing but sports and throwaways, then a modest selection of good games under the glass with premium price tags.

Then every time I turn around, I see some asshat reseller with his smart phone comparing ebay prices to the shelf sitters, then walk up to the counter with a stack of games to buy. They generally don't even bother looking under the glass because those are already sold at premium.

At least I know who to blame as to why there's no local deals on hidden gems anymore. Nevermind the fact that the employees don't even know what Turbografx is and can't accept trade ins if it's not in the system.

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B.S. like rarity ratings and guides are a large contributor to the gouging, collectard, etc problem.

Remember when someone "proved" that Magical Chase was a mail-order-only game, only available in the U.S. and after only a handful of people bothered to order it, TTi shutdown and 99% of the already small production run was crushed, incinerated and buried during a legal ceremony?

You know, what if the incineration part wasn't true, and next year someone stumbled upon a pallet of them inside some forgotten warehouse?

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Good market to corner

Unlike Southpark's underpants gnomes, this 5 step plan does not contain ??? marks. In fact, it would be a bit like playing the stock market. Buy enough of a specific stock and price inflates, then sell it back, aka "pump and dump." Same principal with game commodities.

#1: Search on eBay and buy up all existing copies of a specific cheap PCe game that sells top dollar for the Turbo equivalent.
#2: Watch as prices skyrocket.
#3: Slowly release PCe games back into the market.
#4: Profit.
#5: Pick another game and return to step #1.
 

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?]

It depends if the system the game is on is popular amongst set collectors or not.  If common shitty game X becomes the sole game keeping seveal hundred set collectors from their last piece, common shitty game X will become uncommon hidden gem expensive game X.

Due to the huge size of the Gameboy library, I imagine the act of creating game scarcity and price manipulation is low.  If you were to try the same type of thing with TG16 or Virtual Boy or a smaller sized set, I am sure one person could make a game's price move.  All you would need to do is pick a game with less than 10 listings at most times and constantly win each copy posted.

Mario / Duck Hunt doesn't seem like a good example where this would be possible.

P.S. - Don't do this.

No worries, too much effort anyway!  I was just saying to my friend that even if I had stashed a couple Earthbounds or Panzer Dragoon Saga's and made 2-300 each, that's still a pretty dinky profit over a 10/15 year period.  It's nothing to scoff at, of course, but you'd made more money at a minimum wage job than sitting on and reselling hard to find games.

If you're talking about the original gray cart of Rampart, available BINs are much less than that and the only copies anyone has bothered to actually buy were a BIN for $15 and an auction which only received a single bid of $8.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that was the average price, just that particular auction must have been affected by the above mentioned experiment.  I'd never pay more than a dollar or two for that particular game myself.

Earthbound is a terrible example. It has an R4 rarity and sells for R7 prices. Goto nintendoage.com, find an R6 or R7 with low "loose" price on pricecharting, and use that for your market manipulation. Don't even bother with stuff that plateaued years ago...

L  O  fucking L

Look at the historic prices of Earthbound and compare it to other games that sell at equal prices today. Most of them were far, far cheaper in 2008 than they are now. Earthbound hasn't inflated much at all by comparison. Just find a cheap uncommon title that hasn't spiked yet and corner the market on it.

Turbo games are a bad idea since they are in general far less common than NES, SNES, Genesis titles, so most games have already spiked. PCE games may be a good market to corner as more American gamers jump onto the import bandwagon.

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It depends if the system the game is on is popular amongst set collectors or not.  If common shitty game X becomes the sole game keeping seveal hundred set collectors from their last piece, common shitty game X will become uncommon hidden gem expensive game X.

Due to the huge size of the Gameboy library, I imagine the act of creating game scarcity and price manipulation is low.  If you were to try the same type of thing with TG16 or Virtual Boy or a smaller sized set, I am sure one person could make a game's price move.  All you would need to do is pick a game with less than 10 listings at most times and constantly win each copy posted.

Mario / Duck Hunt doesn't seem like a good example where this would be possible.

P.S. - Don't do this.

No worries, too much effort anyway!  I was just saying to my friend that even if I had stashed a couple Earthbounds or Panzer Dragoon Saga's and made 2-300 each, that's still a pretty dinky profit over a 10/15 year period.  It's nothing to scoff at, of course, but you'd made more money at a minimum wage job than sitting on and reselling hard to find games.

If you're talking about the original gray cart of Rampart, available BINs are much less than that and the only copies anyone has bothered to actually buy were a BIN for $15 and an auction which only received a single bid of $8.

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that was the average price, just that particular auction must have been affected by the above mentioned experiment.  I'd never pay more than a dollar or two for that particular game myself.

Earthbound is a terrible example. It has an R4 rarity and sells for R7 prices. Goto nintendoage.com, find an R6 or R7 with low "loose" price on pricecharting, and use that for your market manipulation. Don't even bother with stuff that plateaued years ago...

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On a large scale, the manipulation of commodities, price fixing, etc can get you decades in prison. On the small scale there is no penalty. Morally there is no difference.

Considering one obscure game was selected as an experiment and intent was not to tarnish the entire market, I don't think there was ill intent here.

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Even as the ebay price falls, there are still long standing ramifications to this in other locations.  Recently I saw a copy in a retro game store with a price tag of $35.  That game at that price is absolutely ridiculous.  No, I don't think that it will Ever sell for that much but at the very least I feel this is strong (albeit nonscientific and a bit anecdotal) evidence that one profiteering jerk can create an artificial scarcity on his own to influence the market for monopolistic price fixing purposes which would never be legal on a large scale.

How would that be illegal? Free market capitalism, bidges!

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never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

It was Rampart for Gameboy. Uncommon but relatively cheap. Person in question bought every copy on eBay until the price exceeded $20, and no the games were not destroyed but released back into the market over time for a modest profit. Pat did a video regarding this cause and effect. Also some collectors or resellers occasionally hoard dozens or even hundreds of copies a specific game title for whatever reason, and this can wreak havok with game stores when such a hoarde gets traded in. I think Pat did another video on that. I personally knew a collector in Plano Tx who had 400 copies of Dragon Warrior I think. He even showed me the crates he stored them in. The Mario/Duck Hunt 2-in-1 hoarding caused it to go from a 10 cent game to being $10 because at one time this game was so cheap and common, people used them to make art projects like coffee tables and such.

Huh, as a avid GB collector, I hadn't heard of this.  Usually a game is cheap because it's undesirable, all the best/popular games are always sold for more. (nothing against rampart) I just wonder if you bought a bunch of cheapo games, even if you hung on to them for several years, would people be interested in buying them any more then than they were originally?  Is it simply that it's considered more collectable after this point?  Assuming you are talking about the original gray cart, I just checked it out on ebay and it's selling for $55 and of course, labeled as 'rare'.

It's $55 now? Wow. Pat explained it better than I could have.

This was a calculated experiment by a collector attempting to corner the market and drive up the price of a specific title, and it worked.

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never found any evidence, but the rumor was someone, possibly from NA, bought out as many copies as they could find of a common Gameboy game and destroyed them to increase the price, as a sort of experiment.

It was Rampart for Gameboy. Uncommon but relatively cheap. Person in question bought every copy on eBay until the price exceeded $20, and no the games were not destroyed but released back into the market over time for a modest profit. Pat did a video regarding this cause and effect. Also some collectors or resellers occasionally hoard dozens or even hundreds of copies a specific game title for whatever reason, and this can wreak havok with game stores when such a hoarde gets traded in. I think Pat did another video on that. I personally knew a collector in Plano Tx who had 400 copies of Dragon Warrior I think. He even showed me the crates he stored them in. The Mario/Duck Hunt 2-in-1 hoarding caused it to go from a 10 cent game to being $10 because at one time this game was so cheap and common, people used them to make art projects like coffee tables and such.

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i just don't see the prices going down, if some of the rumors about resellers destroying copies of games to raise prices and stuff turns out to be true, anyways.

Is there evidence for this? Most gaming examples I have heard of destroying merch was corporate directives, and a few examples in other hobbies. I can see tossing worthless crap like 90s baseball cards, but not valuable games.

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50 yen. That's rich!

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Fuck yo mama, 3do has some good shit. It's better than a PCFX at any rate.

That is the lowest praise possible for a system. I'm pretty sure it's true, but it isn't saying much.

Yes, as is any praise that begins with "fuck yo moma." Terms of endearment fo sho.

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!]

the intent was to try to undercut the super rare price gouging titles, so cheaply available cards will be ignored for the most part

So now that you guys have sold to Tobias and he is reselling Magical Chase at a rather high price, haven't you undercut this part of your own rationale? I'm concerned that you've effectively destroyed any practical defense you could mount against criticism.

Well, ours are still available at the same lower price point so we're still undercutting Tobias higher prices.  But yeah there are always criticism on what we provide.

One of the best ways to combat eBay resellers is to put the wares up yourself. Of course, you've got to make sure what you are selling is kosher first.

If people are dumb enough to pay a reseller (who is taking a big risk by posting content that violates their TOS) big bucks without doing a simple google search to see if the items is available elsewhere cheaper, then a fool and their money are quickly parted.

As for eBay resellers selling goods that aren't allowed there (Turbokon repros would fall under that definition), their auctions should be reported for violation.

So if you can't beat em, join em, and if you can't join them, report their asses!

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?]

Ah, really. I don't have any SEGA PAL games anymore.
Isn't there anything good about PAL games (besides nostalgia for some) often most expensive, crippled with 50hz/bars and crappy cases.

Most SMS games were not region dependent, and SMS was much more successful in Europe because Nintendo couldn't strongarm developers to not produce games for it there unlike in the US. A few PAL games that did too much processing in the overscan region or had otehr timing issues may have had artifacts, but for the majority of games, the PAL SMS games ran stock on NTSC hardware. Sonic infamously had a NTSC specific region sticker on the box.

Sega had lockouts with Megadrive/Genesis, but it was game optional. My PAL Psycho Pinball and Micro Machines II carts run fine on my US Genesis. Then the Turbografx never really made it out of US/Japan, so the relatively few test market PAL consoles are just NTSC hardware with gimped 50Hz video.

NES is in a similar situation with many games running on stock NES hardware with the region chip disabled, and in rare instances wher the PAL games were optimized, run too fast and at wrong pitch on NTSC hardware, or slow/flat on PAL hardware. SNES and N64 also had lockout chips and physical tabs as well, which can be broken on a US SNES to support Super Famicom carts but not the like-shaped PAL carts. Nintendo started adding microcode to most SNES games released after 1992 to prevent pass-through converters from playing out of region carts on PAL SNES systems.

Atari 2600 used incompatible color pallets between PAL and NTSC systems and the 50Hz refresh rates made most NTSC TVs roll or at least crop the bottom. 7800 was completely incompatible across regions.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?]

The TG16 is the only system I know of with long boxes, and they are only "long" by a couple of cm making them %100 pointless. CD long boxes at least were designed to make CDs as tall as a record so stores wouldn't have to buy new racks.

Of course it only worked so well, mainly because a longbox is twice the volume of a regular CD case and four times as big as a record so you suddenly had less room in your store for a format that supposedly saved space.

Btw, IMO Euro DC cases are even worse than the Saturn ones.

Could somebody point to an example of the CD "long box?" I have never heard of these. Sams Club comes to mind as they used to do extra long paper cases for DVD movies as a type of theft deterrence, which I believe were only exclusive to their stores.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbox

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After the new generation of retro gamers dies off to old geezer status, maybe after that prices will go down. Thoughts?

As a younger guy who recently visit Graceland and saw quite a few people in the 30s and 40s that weren't alive to see Elvis perform, I would say things that are popular have legs beyond their original target audience.

The NES Classic is proof of that, guarantee a lot of millennials that weren't alive when the NES was big had to have it.

While I am of the NES generation, I picked up Atari for the first time in 2012.

Janice Joplin and Jimmi Hendrix both died in 1970 of Heroine overdose. I was born in 1981 and found myself a fan of their music. I have all the reisdued Hendrix albums including three posthumus albums, and was spinning Joplin's last album Pearl (not a repressing) on the turntable after I hunted it down online, and rather enjoyed it.

Were the unborn 80's babies really the intended audience when they first pressed this record? "Hey, let's press a million of this record so some kid not even thought of can buy it in 40 years..." Somehow I doubt it. So I don't find it that surprising that new "mellinials" are getting into NES, et al. I put "mellinial" into quotes as I self identify with Generation Y, which have unfortunately been dissolved into Mellinials. If I had to pick one, I definitely relate more to the Xers but am not.

Back on topic, Turbografx is one of those systems you start collecting for after you get into the "branching out" phase of retro collecting, looking for stuff you did not experience bitd or might have missed. For the young retro-collector, everything is new and exciting. Anyone who falls in love with the NES/SNES/Genesis era will discover PC Engine / Turbografx at some point. But since the Turbo sold an order of magnitude fewer units in the US compared to it's competition (and Japan is a much smaller market even if the PCe was wildly more successful there), games will remain high. If there is a video game market crash in the future, Turbo/PCe will be one of the last pillarsto fall, next to Neo Geo.


Since picking up a Satellite radio in 2010, I have continued to discover old music I never knew existed in my younger years. It's no different with younger retro gamers. If they aren't consuming "nostalgia", they are creating it. A record first spun in 1970 sounds no different that spinning it in 2017, aside from minor groove wear which only adds to the vintage feel. A game cart first played in 1977 or 1990 is still the same experience picked up secondhand in the present, if being played for the first time by the new owner.

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!]

I would be interested in these if there is a way to get them for a reasonable price in Europe

Bulk buy to save on shipping costs? Shipping outside of the United States is a pain, and very expensive if using any kind of tracking.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?]

There was a guy on Atariage who posted finding a TG-16 and several games at an estate sale for $40.  That's the kind of stuff that's post-worthy.  I'd feel like a doofus if I posted a "Hey look at the cool stuff I bought" that anyone who can use a computer could have acquired.

More often than not, it's bragging rights. A lot of posts "look what came in the mail today" do not include the bounty paid for it.

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Enter me in this raffle.

Most game raffles are a scam, and the few that are legit are illegal in most jurisdictions unless the proceeds go to a non-profit organization.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Dumb Buyers]

There has to be a story behind that like some money laundering scheme or someone owed someone $40k and this was a way to do it.

Well considering eBay reports high dollar transactions, or yearly totals exceeding some high value, to the IRS. So any attempt to use eBay for otherwise shady transactions would be unwise. Generally such transactions use cash or western union or bitcoin or something untraceable so that it doesn't leave a paper trail.

I'm sick of these NES mini's. It's nausiating hearing about them still

Finally snagged one this morning at Best Buy! Sorry couldn't help myself...

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Dumb Buyers]

Well, that $29,950 wasted

QFT. $50 is fair, but yeah. I hope that was a troll bid. Serves seller right for asking outrageous prices...

There was also an NES Classic Mini that sold for $8888.88 a while back I think. Really dumb IMO. Sad thing is, if 1 out of 50 outrageous bids is actually legit, then the sellers taking a risk by placing the item up for sale might pay off once in a while. They can always file a "non-paying bidder" claim and get their fees back.

Are there actually shoppers so stupid they will do a "high to low" search for anything and buy the first listing, no matter how high? Even filthy rich people are more frugal than that, considering most people earn their wealth by making wise business decisions. Unless it's a young lotto winner or someone who think's a million dollars will last forever...

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This is why I don't collect cardboard... 

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31 boxes for $3500.  I wonder if the buyer didn't read the auction and assumed he was getting a bunch of games...?

Ouch. Buyer is stuck with paper and the seller likely has negative feedback in his/her future.

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I've seen that phenomenon as well. Ive mentioned this before and I can't remember the details but a while ago I sold a component GC cable on eBay. I think I chose a BIN of like $80 but it ended up going for like $120 which was not only more than my BIN but more than the BIN on several other GC component  video cables at that very moment, other auctions and other BINs.

Since there are no pirate versions and region was irrelevant (I had no box) there is no sane way to explain this other than to say these people are dumb.

You mean $80 reserve, or one of those BID XXX or BIN for YYY auctions, and some moron still bid more than the BIN price? If it was BID $120+ or BIN $80, and I was interested in the item, I would sure as heck chose the BIN option and end it immediately. It would be like the ultimate snipe, or let them pay more. eBay even warns users if they set a max bid above the BIN price. :p

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!]

Have you guys looked into making HuCards for HomeBrew and indie software? It would be cool to get a physical copy of Aetherbyte these days.

I PM'd them last year regarding this. Seems Aetherbyte insists on not using Turbokon's service unfortunately. That's too bad...

As much as I love my blue Atlantean, but damn those Turbokon repros are sexy as hell. A "licensed" copy of Atlantean with a slick glossy blue cool-to-the-touch PCB (instead of the usual black/white finish) would be epic, and little to no supply issues... 

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards & Cases Now for Sale!!!!]

i c u.

Toes be creeping in too

Holy cow, just noticed that. 

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?]

People on eBay are stupid.
Not Turbografx or PC Engine, but I was just bidding on a seller who had 20 different retro games auctions I was interested in.
ALL 20 separate game auctions got bid up and ended considerably higher than you could buy the same games for a buy it now, right now. Any of those bidders could of searched eBay and found the same games right now for cheaper than the amount they bid. That is literally throwing money away, or actually just giving it away just because they were so fucking desperate to win the auction.

I don't remember it being this bad before where people would bid more than buy it nows. So is this the problem with prices and the current state of eBay? bidders having so desperately to win auctions at all costs??

I think I'll call them "Bidtards" from now on.

PS I know that what I just said is moving a bit off subject from a "TG16 price crash", it was just the way those auctions ended (and loads of others I've seen recently) made me think of this thread and the mind set of "I must have this game at any cost".

Yeah I've seen these assmonkeys in action before. A couple times I saw a nice CIC game sitting there with a BIN and I'd just jump on it the minute I got outbid, or it would disappear and I would watch helplessly as I got sniped and walked away with nothing. Then after the auction goes much higher than existing BINs prior to the auction's existance, subsequent BINs are listed based on the new auction benchmark. So one can review the "sold listings" on eBay and sort by date, see this pattern happening across many games, and once an auction price goes higher than the BIN, it sets a new bar and new BINs at the previous rate are a thing of the past, or very rarely when they do, they get snatched within minutes of the posting.

It's just seems these dumb bidders are contributing to the inflation problem even more than the sellers who post stupid money BINs.

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

I sure hope they are printing those singly.

(Bonk 3, line 7, prehistoric her?)

Bonk does turn into a girl in the Japanese version...

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Out of curiosity, will you be offering the cases for sale on their own? With the PCEngineFX cases no longer available for sale, there is likely to be some pent up demand.

Wow, those are even nicer than the older Vita style ones! 

It would also be a nice gesture to offer blank cases for people who want to "upgrade" loose games so they don't rely on donors.

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wut??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbografx-Mega-Consolidation-Package-/222361156353?hash=item33c5c1fb01%3Ag%3A%7EYUAAOSw241YZYaN&nma=true&si=zm1duEOm%252Fa8SEvLtaeb3M%252B6RIFk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Four figures for a Soldier Blade with beat up manual? I think I paid $89 for mine last year. It didn't have manual, but still... Not like this one has the cardboard or plastic tray with it, or even a donor jewel case with repro label.

EDIT: Didn't read listing. Apparently there was more stuff in there...

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^^Nice. Someone allegedly listed as 99¢ BIN instead of auction? Finders, keepers...

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Can the super grafx games be put on these repro cards and play in a regular tg16?

No.


I hope you're kidding.

Someone should have had made a EXT Supergrafx Adapter for the PCE a long time ago, even if there's only 5 games for it.

I don't believe that's even possible.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Dumb Buyers]

OT, but how does gamevaluenow compare to pricecharting in terms of accuracy?

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Last year I bought a minty Zonk box for the artwork to design a tattoo. It was an auction. The game was already selling and being listed at similar prices to today, for CIB with worn boxes. I think that I paid $40 for it. I remember that there were current BIN listings for the game and manual that I could buy and piece together a CIB copy for 1/4 - 1/3 of what people were asking and occasionally buying it for. This is why the term "collectard" was coined.

I see late era games listed as "CIB" or "CIC" all the time on eBay (using a donor case) that were originally released as cardboard + plastic tray games. Finding one of those complete is pretty rare so peeps get the game + manual and repackage it in a jewel case for a hefty markup.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/201700626397

Hmmm......

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=21601.0

I didn't click the link when I saw it in his post because I'm not interested in sealed games.  But really, I would think that a forum with a 400 page thread about how price gouging sucks would be the wrong place to advertise a $560 game.

Based on the ridiculous asking price, the eBay auction linked earlier was a steal! I know it's a free market and sellers can ask whatever they want, but come on... 

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Dumb Buyers]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201700626397

Everything except shrinkwrap for $80:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbografx-16-Turrican-COMPLETE-with-box-sleeve-case-and-Instruction-Manual-/262567934754?hash=item3d2244bb22%3Ag%3A3jMAAOSw-itXp%7Etx&nma=true&si=cjCIdXCP2ntoEdcfSXHWW3IYpA0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557



Everything including shrinkwrap for $105:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turrican-TurboGrafx-TG-16-COMPLETE-CIB-FREE-SHIPPING-/172341286643?hash=item28205756f3:g:arwAAOSwNRdX2IyG

Would have been funnier if the shrink-wrapped copy sold for less. I have seen that happen before...

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Dumb Buyers]

Bonk 3 CD edition is worth some coin by itself so the whole bundle doesn't look too bad IMO.

You know these are reproductions, right?

Bonk 3 CD edition is worth some coin by itself so the whole bundle doesn't look too bad IMO.

Where are you getting bootleg collector pricing from?

I wasn't aware they were bootlegs. I just made a cursory glance at the auction and noticed that there were a couple games that were pretty desirable. I did not read the fine print, or do a pricecharting search either. I also do not collect for CD systems. The prices the Duos and CDROM add-ons go for is also ludicrus IMO.

From reading some of Stardust4ever's post's, he seems to be a very big fan of bootlegs/repros.  So I could see him thinking $300 for 4 bootleg cds being a good deal.

Yes, I bought four repros (Magical Chase, Coryoon, Bonk 3, Neutopia I + II)  and a homebrew from turbokon, so sue me already.

And again, I didn't realise they were repros because I didn't examine the auction. Whomever won those got boned pretty hard...

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Dumb Buyers]

Bonk 3 CD edition is worth some coin by itself so the whole bundle doesn't look too bad IMO.

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Can the super grafx games be put on these repro cards and play in a regular tg16?

No.


I hope you're kidding.

But you can get Supergrafx repros for play in a Supergrafx!

You can also presumably play Supergrafx repros on the Retro Freak, but IMO buying physical repros to play in an emulator box when you can just simply backdoor load the ROM seems like something only a "collectard" would do.

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Team Turbokon, TheSteve & Jodi going big-time, won't be able to keep up with the order spike that'll follow now!!!

THIS!!!

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Just so you guys know, once the current stock of the mini cases these repro comes with runs out, we won't be able to get any more.

That's a bummer. These cases are awesome. Well I guess its time to get 1941 for the Supergrafx.
PM SENT...

Excellent game. I toyed with the idea of ordering a 1941/Ghouls n Ghosts 2-in-1, but as I can only play it on retrofreak, I could just run the original ROMs instead.

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Just so you guys know, once the current stock of the mini cases these repro comes with, we won't be able to get any more.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Dumb Buyers]

Tree-Fiddy for the lawnmower, and I'll throw in Keit Courage for free...

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Just a shoutout, my homebrew dualcard came in yesterday. It's nice; can't wait to play...

DualCARD.

Dualcard = 2-in-1 =D

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Just a shoutout, my homebrew dualcard came in yesterday. It's nice; can't wait to play...

[Buy/Sell/Trade / Re: Turbografx-16 & PC-Engine Reproduction Hucards Now for Sale!!!!]

Ok guys, I'm currently taking orders for HuZero and Tonguemans Logic as a dual hucard.

PM sent. Did not see these on the website.

Sorry the cases aren't available separately and I don't offer for any other systems.  DB electronic already offer a region convertor card.

I get the impression the db converters are in short supply or no longer produced as they seem to be sold out everywhere. Mine have four little pegs to prevent overinsertion that eventually broke off. No biggie, but I sometimes need to pull the cart out a mm or two to get good connection. also due to the lack of beveled edges on the new homebrew/repro cards, the pins don't lift properly, so I don't recommend force inserting the new repro cards into the db converter. Do so at your own risk, but shouldn't be an issue if you ordered the game to match your hardware.