An announcement will take place tonight unveiling the next boxset from the PCE Works series. Called the Turbo Duo Edition we'll know shortly what games will be included. I call Dynastic Hero and Super Air Zonk. Not sure about the rest. Maybe Beyond Shadowgate and Dungeon Explorer II. It'll be the same price as the PCE edition at 119 euros.
Thanks for the information. That sounds like they're producing even more bootlegs?
That's all kinds of cool. I hope it's Dynastic Hero, DEII and Super Air Zonk.
I would surely think that Beyond Shadowgate would make an appearance.
I just saw the email and came here to see if anyone had posted about it. I'm hoping for camp california, sim earth, fighting street and john madden duo football.
just kidding, dynastic hero plz.
Camp California wouldn't be a bad one. It ain't perfect, but it's no worse than Super Air Zonk.
Hopefully this one won't have a gold coin. Then it will hopefully be cheaper. Either way, I'm excited to see the list of games for this one.
It's the same price, or 7 euro more if you want the poster.
Quote from: Sadler on 11/13/2014, 12:17 PMIt's the same price, or 7 euro more if you want the poster.
My bad, completely missed that in Mathius' post. That kind of sucks. Maybe the poster is good lookin'. I'm stuck to my phone for now.
If they're making repros of rare and expensive American titles, I will gladly buy a set. I don't care what anyone might say; I am not spending hundreds of dollars on a single game when I could get several repros of the same games for a fraction of the price.
I await the news with feverish anticipation! =P~
If DH is part of the "collection" I'm getting it. Panchitos's shoes will have to wait.
Seriously speaking, what's the point of getting these repros? Other than the fancy artwork, I'd say it's because these are pressed discs and will help prolong the laser life.
Quote from: esadajr on 11/13/2014, 12:48 PMSeriously speaking, what's the point of getting these repros? Other than the fancy artwork, I'd say it's because these are pressed discs and will help prolong the laser life.
I bought Sapphire years back because it's pressed and my TurboDuo won't play CDRs at all. The packaging is nice too, but anyone can make a nice looking case/manual with quality scans and a cheap color laser printer.
Quote from: guest on 11/13/2014, 12:55 PMI bought Sapphire years back because it's pressed and my TurboDuo won't play CDRs at all.
I'm guessing you got your Sapphire boot for super cheap or free but IMO it makes way more sense to adjust/replace a laser (having someone else do the work if necessary) than to spend a bunch of money on pressed discs. I have the same argument vs. people who want to "prolong" the life of their laser (which is a mechanical part doomed to failure anyway) since the cost of CDRs+Laser << the cost of pressed discs.
I would never support a bootlegger like this, who as far as I'm concerned has already had negative effects on the spine card market with his last release. I appreciate that he's most-recently trying to differentiate his new stuff from the real product (unlike the care4data Sapphire debacle) but he didn't go far enough with the spines. The only positive effect I've seen is that PCE Memories seems to have been a small release valve on demand, I was able to pick up real Kaze Kiri+Faussete+Sylphia all with spines for far less than I could have prior to PCE Memories.
spine card market? what are you talking about?
I hope they're undistinguishable to originals to some extent so prices can drop, drop, drop!!!
Quote from: esadajr on 11/13/2014, 01:49 PMspine card market? what are you talking about?
The PCE memories spine cards look very similar to originals so now it's that much harder to ensure spine cards for the games in that set are authentic. That's all I meant, I agree that using the phrase "spine card market" was a confusing way to state that.
looks like it's Godzilla, Dynastic Hero, Bonk 3 and Dungeon Explorer 2.
edit: and the poster looks like this
(http://pceworks.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/pceworks_boxset2_gallery10.jpg)
Damn, I'm sort of disappointed in that. I guess all around good choices, but I was secretly hoping for Terraforming and a different poster. On the plus side, as best I can tell the inlays look nothing like the original releases so telling them apart should be super easy.
Soooooo much copyright infringement. Jesus...good luck with that Godzilla poster. Not like there's a current major movie franchise or anything.
In related news, I'm investing my kids' college funds in the spine card market. It's a can't miss investment!
Yeah, these are vastly different, very nice.
And I'm still LOLing about the spine card market. Jesus, I like getting obis as much as the next guy but come on, it's a fucking piece of paper.
I am disappointed in the game line up. Who cares about godzilla? What about beyond shadowgate or might and magic 3? the JP version of godzilla can be had for around $20.
And the JP version plays better...
Beyond Shadowgate seemed like the obvious choice since it was a US exclusive.
I have a feeling he (they?) will be releasing more of these box sets with different titles, so they have to use some filler (godzilla) to space out the good games.
I suppose that is true... This is a venture to make lots of profit I guess. So whatever they can do to max gouge will be done. Wonder how long until someone takes notice and puts a stop to it...
Quote from: guest on 11/13/2014, 03:57 PMAnd I'm still LOLing about the spine card market. Jesus, I like getting obis as much as the next guy but come on, it's a fucking piece of paper.
Heh I deserve a ribbing for the phrasing, it came off a bit odd. But I imagine that if you bought an authentic game with a counterfeit obi you probably wouldn't be too thrilled. I think the PCE memories made that little bit of misrepresentation more possible. Perhaps that's paranoid, but seeing Sapphire boots listed as authentic has made me paranoid. I expect most of you don't really care about the obis one way or the other, I like them a lot because I store my games in plastic sleeves with the obis on the outside of the case.
Anyway this release apparently goes far out of its way to look like a different product, which is good news to me.
Quote from: Lochlan on 11/13/2014, 01:26 PMI'm guessing you got your Sapphire boot for super cheap or free...
Nope, I bought it for ~$50 years before he sold off the bulk discs. Since then I've acquired a Duo-RX that happily plays CDRs, so I won't be paying such prices for any booties.
And I give zero fucks about your spine card market. I buy games to play and enjoy; I never plan on selling anyway, so their future value isn't important.
Quote from: guest on 11/13/2014, 05:02 PM...and I give zero fucks about your spine card market. I buy games to play and enjoy; I never plan on selling anyway, so their future value isn't important.
Exactly my thoughts, I'm sure a lot of us give a rat's ass if the "spine card market" crashes
Meh, underwhelmed to say the least. Dynastic Hero is the only game out of the lot that I want/don't have. I wish that they were cheaper but I like the idea of pressed versions of old games and there's zero chance of an official re-release. I don't particularly care about the second hand market as I don't intend to sell my games at any point so some guy flooding the market is no skin off my back.
Quote from: guest on 11/13/2014, 05:02 PMAnd I give zero fucks about your spine card market.
God fucking damnit I used the wrong terminology. I understand that you think I'm implying that, ALL I MEANT was that it would be shitty if somebody bought a game with a spine card and found out it was fake [just to be super clear I mean it would be shitty NOT because of "lost value" per se but because they expected an authentic pc engine item and received a counterfeit]. I am not talking about reselling anything. This shit is going to be buried with me. /rant
I get that giving a shit about game value is like poison to the community values here and I definitely misspoke, but, please, I am only advocating for living in a world where counterfeit games are less of an issue, no more no less.
now prices can go up becuase you dont complain about paying 120.00 for something that cost this waste of skin 15.00 so you shouldnt complain about the real ones costing your first born which is prolly your neighbors kid!...lol
Bootlegs, cost 15.00 markup 800% equals 120 give or take.
Air Zonk, cost 60.00 mark up 800% equals 480.00
You're picking your poison between Bonk 3 or Super Air Zonk. Personally I would have rather had SAZ but whatever. I'm giggling like a school girl for Dynastic Hero. I have had a galactic hard-on for the Monster World series for ages, so playing this on real hardware gets me way too excited. I already have DEII so it'll be redundant.
If only this one had a coin. :(
Quote from: schnuth on 11/13/2014, 10:35 PMIf only this one had a coin. :(
The pceworks website does confirm that the same coin will be included with this set as well:
http://pceworks.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/pce-memories-ii/#more-191 (http://pceworks.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/pce-memories-ii/#more-191)
"Once again the boxsets in the first run will be individually numbered and will include one of our PCEWorks coins (still the same design, but you will be able to redeem coins for bonus items at a later point, so hold on to them). "
Quote from: ElSeven on 11/13/2014, 10:53 PMQuote from: schnuth on 11/13/2014, 10:35 PMIf only this one had a coin. :(
The pceworks website does confirm that the same coin will be included with this set as well:
http://pceworks.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/pce-memories-ii/#more-191 (http://pceworks.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/pce-memories-ii/#more-191)
"Once again the boxsets in the first run will be individually numbered and will include one of our PCEWorks coins (still the same design, but you will be able to redeem coins for bonus items at a later point, so hold on to them). "
Interesting.
Super Air Zonk and Beyond Shadow Gate will probably be in the next set he is making. I don't see any reason why he won't make more of these
Well for those of you who like the idea of beyond shadow gate in the future you might want to message this guy and request it. I mentioned it to him and he said it was the least requested game so there are no plans as of right now for ever doing that game.
We should request Magical Chase.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 11/13/2014, 04:25 PMWonder how long until someone takes notice and puts a stop to it...
I'm surprised it hasn't been stopped already. The HappyConsoleGamer's review of PCE Best of Japan has 20k views, that's a lot of publicity.
I wonder if these will become collectible and increase in value when the guy inevitably gets shut down. Hmm.. they probably will..
/me orders 20 copies
Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/14/2014, 01:12 AMWe should request Magical Chase.
Hacking a 4mb huey to fit within super cd ram limits is likely beyond his abilities, but that would be a nice one. My dream would be to have both versions playable, selectable music between the original chippy tunes and the redbook ones from the sound track disc, and a small gallery showing side by side comparisons of the differences. A robot can dream, right?
Quote from: guest on 11/14/2014, 09:33 AMQuote from: MotherGunner on 11/14/2014, 01:12 AMWe should request Magical Chase.
Hacking a 4mb huey to fit within super cd ram limits is likely beyond his abilities, but that would be a nice one. My dream would be to have both versions playable, selectable music between the original chippy tunes and the redbook ones from the sound track disc, and a small gallery showing side by side comparisons of the differences. A robot can dream, right?
Or repro huey's! =)
I think I'll go for this set.
very pleased the art for these are completely remixed. I think it's pretty rad.
But yes, game selection is meh
I also emailed a Beyond Shadowgate request...as well as Might & magic 3 [-o<
I did the same, requesting BS and MM3. I guess my next observation should be obvious...but I am hoping these editions are the US releases? I only say that, cause it appears he is using the Japanese art.
Quote from: Bernie on 11/14/2014, 12:19 PMI did the same, requesting BS and MM3. I guess my next observation should be obvious...but I am hoping these editions are the US releases? I only say that, cause it appears he is using the Japanese art.
The use of the words
Turbo Duo indicates to me that these are the US releases.
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 11/14/2014, 12:25 PMQuote from: Bernie on 11/14/2014, 12:19 PMI did the same, requesting BS and MM3. I guess my next observation should be obvious...but I am hoping these editions are the US releases? I only say that, cause it appears he is using the Japanese art.
The use of the words Turbo Duo indicates to me that these are the US releases.
I understand that, but I don't want to assume.
I'm on the fence about both the collections. I want them, but my money is tied up (smash bros. Wii U) right now
Quote from: Bernie on 11/14/2014, 12:19 PMI guess my next observation should be obvious...but I am hoping these editions are the US releases? I only say that, cause it appears he is using the Japanese art.
Dungeon Explorer 2 is the only one that appears to use the PCE version's artwork wholesale; Bonk 3 and Dynastic Hero are pretty heavily modified versions of the PCE art, and Godzilla is completely different.
Bonk 3 CD is US only anyway, and the other three would be cheaper to buy real PCE versions than these booties.
I guess I should read everything before typing/speaking... durp!!
"THE TURBO DUO EDITION
Included in our second boxset are four games, which all of you have certainly heard of before. While the BEST OF JAPAN boxset tried to replicate the look of the original japanese releases, we certainly tried to rectify what T.T.I did to those late Turbo Duo releases in the early to mid 90s.
All four titles feature new cover layouts (we got rid of the huge Duo Logo up front), full color manuals with fresh layouts (instead of the terribly designed black & white booklets), new CD designs and a sexy spine card for all that just can't justify adding a game to their collection without one (of course you're welcome to just get rid of them, if you don't like them). We hope you like the results! All four games are the english-language US versions of course."
Already submitted my request to buy this. I know a lot of you guys are down on this guy, suggesting that it costs him $15 to produce these sets, but I think you're way off. I bought the first set, and the quality is absolutely top-notch, and it's obvious that a lot of attention to detail and just plain Turbo-love went in to it. I don't know or have anything to do with anything that this guy may or may not have done to the community, but this is a top-quality product and I have absolutely no problem paying $37.50 shipped per title.
$15 is a lot closer to his actual cost than $150. A standard jewel case with 8 page book and full color everything is known to cost about $1000 for 500*, so figure $8 for the games themselves; add $4 for the spines; add $3 for the coin (less if additional copies were made for future box sets); and add maybe $5 for the box (small quantity = pricey). So about $20.
* - I know these are "limited" to 100 copies, I've no doubt that more were made for later sale.
I'm glad that the artwork look visibly different. I'd like to easily be able to tell repros at a glance.
Quote from: guest on 11/14/2014, 03:42 PM$15 is a lot closer to his actual cost than $150. A standard jewel case with 8 page book and full color everything is known to cost about $1000 for 500*, so figure $8 for the games themselves; add $4 for the spines; add $3 for the coin (less if additional copies were made for future box sets); and add maybe $5 for the box (small quantity = pricey). So about $20.
$20 + the time it took to design everything.
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 11/14/2014, 05:37 PM$20 + the time it took to design everything.
That's nothing compared to the time and effort that went into making the game.
Sold out?
QuoteNovember 13, 2014
Hiatus
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Quote from: Duo_R on 11/15/2014, 01:42 AMSold out?
QuoteNovember 13, 2014
Hiatus
The BEST OF JAPAN boxset is now on hiatus. Thanks to everybody for the support with our little project. The titles included in the boxset will be available seperately in 2015. If you're interested in those or a possible re-issue of the box, make sure to be subscribed to our newsletter or just get in touch by email.
You can e-mail him to make sure. I got in on the second run.
I didn't even know about the PC Engine Best collection he did. Did anyone snag that one too?
Quote from: Duo_R on 11/15/2014, 02:00 AMI didn't even know about the PC Engine Best collection he did. Did anyone snag that one too?
Is that not the same thing? Thats what I got, and I thought that was his first product of this new line of booties that he's doing.
yeah looks like it, so it's pretty legit?
For the 2nd collection I mainly want Dungeon Explorer II so I can play the game translated. But the box set is templting.
Seriously where the hell does these people press pirate discs professionally... every place I've searched for making a small project of mine required tons of documentation and proof you own the data on the disc, if it has music in it you had to provide details about the author and the rights transfer document for every single track.
^^^If anyone ever figures out the answer to this (without blowing any necessary cover), I think it's going to usher in an era of much cheaper bootlegs.
Quote from: CGQuarterly on 11/14/2014, 03:19 PMAlready submitted my request to buy this. I know a lot of you guys are down on this guy, suggesting that it costs him $15 to produce these sets, but I think you're way off. I bought the first set, and the quality is absolutely top-notch, and it's obvious that a lot of attention to detail and just plain Turbo-love went in to it. I don't know or have anything to do with anything that this guy may or may not have done to the community, but this is a top-quality product and I have absolutely no problem paying $37.50 shipped per title.
Ripping off Bonknuts and his Megaman PCE project is 80% of the reason why I don't like this guy, and why I won't ever give him money. It's also why I won't ever make a translation of the paper manuals for any of my translation projects. The high prices more or less just seal the deal. To hell with this guy.
Quote from: Psycho Punch on 11/15/2014, 06:33 AMSeriously where the hell does these people press pirate discs professionally...
Just a clueless guess... China, Malaysia or Thailand?
Seriously, I don't know anything, but I see lots of bootlegs (movies, books, even plastic model kits) advertised on that well know auction site coming from these countries.
Quote from: Psycho Punch on 11/15/2014, 06:33 AMSeriously where the hell does these people press pirate discs professionally... every place I've searched for making a small project of mine required tons of documentation and proof you own the data on the disc, if it has music in it you had to provide details about the author and the rights transfer document for every single track.
Switzerland
I hear that moon nazis make a majority of the bootleg discs around on the market today. I would imagine thier moon base has a pretty large production facility, hard to compete with that
But yea, in all seriousness, i told my wife this was the ONLY thing i want for Christmas... now we wait to see how good of a listener she is
Could be from Russia too. They bootleg all sorts of media.
Quote from: clackattack on 11/15/2014, 06:54 PMBut yea, in all seriousness, i told my wife this was the ONLY thing i want for Christmas... now we wait to see how good of a listener she is
Heh, I told my mom something similar; that the main things I want for Christmas are this, and the Amazon exclusive version of the Cowboy Bebop Blu-Ray box set.
If I get both of those, I'll have a Merry Christmas. :)
Aaron should have a cool photo spread and/or review when the new version of the site goes up. I am looking forward to receiving mine as well. Glad they made them harder to pass off as real while still keeping them looking awesome.
Quote from: Psycho Punch on 11/15/2014, 06:33 AMSeriously where the hell does these people press pirate discs professionally... every place I've searched for making a small project of mine required tons of documentation and proof you own the data on the disc, if it has music in it you had to provide details about the author and the rights transfer document for every single track.
You're overestimating the effort they put into vetting the "proof" you submit, especially for something being done outside its country of origin.
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 11/16/2014, 09:45 PMAaron should have a cool photo spread and/or review when the new version of the site goes up. I am looking forward to receiving mine as well. Glad they made them harder to pass off as real while still keeping them looking awesome.
I got mine last week and yes they look awesome. If you want photos, I'll put them up here instead of on the new site which won't be up till next year.
Just submitted payment for this one. Really looking forward to DEII.
Quote from: munchiaz on 11/14/2014, 12:34 PMI'm on the fence about both the collections. I want them, but my money is tied up (smash bros. Wii U) right now
The first one is worth it, the games look almost like the originals, (they put their pceworks in very subtle way). You get to play good games on the original hardware without making the laser work extra.
As per the second collection, I can play Bonk 3 on the everdrive, I'm not interested in DE II or Godzilla and the japanese Dynastic Hero can be had for like 20 bucks.
Quote from: esadajr on 11/17/2014, 07:00 PMYou get to play good games on the original hardware without making the laser work extra.
You can buy five or six lasers for the cost of this set.
It's not about preserving my laser assembly, for me. The prices of Turbo shit have gotten so insane that $150 for this set is a steal, because I get to feel like I have a copy of DEII and Dynastic Hero that isn't on a CD-R festooned with my sharpie pen chicken scratch. These aren't legit, but they're close enough that I'll never feel like I need to replace them with original copies. And I'll say again that I don't think $37.50 shipped is too much for a CIB repro game. Those of you who say they should be like $15 should put your money where your mouth is and make it happen.
I don't see an issue in people buying these to have a nice copy besides having a burned CD-R other hobbyist do stuff like this all the time. Be it a replica car, or model ect. As long as they are not passed off as legit then it's fine.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5609/15631838308_3c7779bf61_c.jpg)
Even the posters are made out of quality materials......they have a laminate on them which make them feel/appear glossy.
Quote from: esadajr on 11/17/2014, 07:00 PMI'm not interested in DE II or Godzilla
You are dead to me.
Quote from: munchiaz on 11/17/2014, 11:22 PMI don't see an issue in people buying these to have a nice copy besides having a burned CD-R other hobbyist do stuff like this all the time. Be it a replica car, or model ect. As long as they are not passed off as legit then it's fine.
Like owning a replica Rolex, Rembrandt, phone, etc. The second boxset won't inspire that feeling though.
Quote from: esadajr on 11/18/2014, 10:54 AMQuote from: munchiaz on 11/17/2014, 11:22 PMI don't see an issue in people buying these to have a nice copy besides having a burned CD-R other hobbyist do stuff like this all the time. Be it a replica car, or model ect. As long as they are not passed off as legit then it's fine.
Like owning a replica Rolex, Rembrandt, phone, etc. The second boxset won't inspire that feeling though.
I'm not sure about that analogy. Millions of prints of famous pieces of artwork have been sold, i'm sure the people who bought them gain pleasure and appreciate them regardless they're not the multi million dollar originals.
:P
Just paid for mine as well. Looking forward to Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III in the next set.....
Quote from: Bernie on 11/18/2014, 06:43 PMJust paid for mine as well. Looking forward to Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III in the next set.....
The music in Beyond Shadowgate reminds me of something from the Amiga, or Sound Blaster based IBM PC. I go on and on about how I got my copy in a trade. I still love and cherish it. Thank you. You know who you are. :wink:
I'm forfeiting my place in line. If anyone is interested in buying this, please PM me your Paypal address and I'll ask our buddy Tobias to invoice you instead.
Just got my set in in the mail. The quality is top notch and well worth the price.
I would go for this if it were $100 maybe, definitely if less. My main interest would be Dungeon Explorer II, but I'd rather just wait for a real one one day. I love Westone / Wonder Boy, but I have a Japanese copy of Dynastic Hero so I'm good there for now. I just looked at DEII on Ebay for the hell of it, does anyone else get upset when they take the cd out of the box and set it on a table just for a picture? I know they are only just trying to sell, but I avoid all the auctions that do that.
Quote from: johnnykonami on 11/24/2014, 04:50 PM... does anyone else get upset when they take the cd out of the box and set it on a table just for a picture? I know they are only just trying to sell, but I avoid all the auctions that do that.
It doesn't bother me. Unless the guy is a careless oaf or he has a sandpaper tablecloth, no harm should come to the disc.
Here's a video about the set from a guy I know:
PC-Engine Memories Turbo Duo Edition :: Game Reproduction http://youtu.be/TLTTN9wFsgs
Cool video. Really well done. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: guest on 11/24/2014, 11:21 PMCool video. Really well done. Thanks for sharing.
Ditto. Not Corgan was entertaining.
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 11/24/2014, 06:32 PMHere's a video about the set from a guy I know:
PC-Engine Memories Turbo Duo Edition :: Game Reproduction (http://goo.gl/Lfgh16)
He says they restored the two removed tracks (I didn't even know they were missing), but did they do anything to fix the broken scoring?
*edit* - Oops, I mean for Godzilla.
Quote from: guest on 11/25/2014, 10:09 AMQuote from: Joe Redifer on 11/24/2014, 06:32 PMHere's a video about the set from a guy I know:
PC-Engine Memories Turbo Duo Edition :: Game Reproduction http://youtu.be/TLTTN9wFsgs
He says they restored the two removed tracks (I didn't even know they were missing), but did they do anything to fix the broken scoring?
IMHO doubtful. I don't think they have the programming talent to pull that off. Be it inserting the translated bonus stages, or just buffing the players points.
I received mine finally today. It's really been great to finally be able to play Dynastic Hero on real hardware, though I really need to get my Duo-R S-Video modded. My other modded consoles have spoiled me.
Maybe mine will be waiting for me when I get home. But I doubt it.
I've bought the initial pce memories box set and the disc for Sylphia showed up defective. It has weird little ripples in the disc. Anyone else have this problem with any of this guys discs? Seller sent me a replacement disc but that one also has a few weird ripples in it. Not as bad as the first but still there. I messaged him again. I hope he agrees to send me a new clean looking disc this time.
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Quote from: Keith Courage on 11/26/2014, 01:39 AMI've bought the initial pce memories box set and the disc for Sylphia showed up defective. It has weird little ripples in the disc. Anyone else have this problem with any of this guys discs? Seller sent me a replacement disc but that one also has a few weird ripples in it. Not as bad as the first but still there. I messaged him again. I hope he agrees to send me a new clean looking disc this time.
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Mine has a weirdish mark but not anything different from other cds and dvds I've come across over the years. They all play fine.
I think I remember reading somewhere about these marks. I wanna say that discs that have these are fine and just look yucky. Could be wrong, though.
He got back to me and said he will send me a new disc once he gets more just after Christmas. I'm satisfied with that. I can wait. All the other game discs look perfect.
Quote from: Keith Courage on 11/26/2014, 01:39 AMI've bought the initial pce memories box set and the disc for Sylphia showed up defective. It has weird little ripples in the disc. Anyone else have this problem with any of this guys discs? Seller sent me a replacement disc but that one also has a few weird ripples in it. Not as bad as the first but still there. I messaged him again. I hope he agrees to send me a new clean looking disc this time.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510230810im_/https://i.postimg.cc/6QLmWzGQ/CIMG7911.jpg)
Sending back the defective ones or raffling them off here?
The defective ones will not load the game so no sense in raffling them off. Unless you want a nice beer coaster.
That is strange. I wonder how many defects there were?
Whoa bro, a rare batch of defects... could be valuable eventually :twisted: :twisted:
Got mine yesterday, but until I get my Duo from turbokon, I cannot play em. Has anyone fired them up in their consoles? It is looking like the TOCs match, because TurboRip and Magic Engine both see them as original games. I do however seem to have issues with Magic Engine not seeing them as a correct game, just says it's a PCE CD. Ootake did not have that issue.
this set is FANTASTIC....I didn't expect a full manual with these. Now all the artwork is different, but given that these aren't originals, I am ok with that. Much happier with the different look than when Saphires were created and difficult to tell apart.
The manuals are even different, and with the US versions, I like how the artwork was redone to look more like the JP releases (more artwork, less crappy borders).
I had a JP Dungeon Explorer II, but now I got a US version to play. And just loving this package. Can't say enough about how good it is. If you aren't into fakes, then stay away. Otherwise, this is fantastic.
I popped over here for this very reason. I really wish I could just get dynastic hero. I already have dungeon explorer II. I really just have no use for the other games. And I can't justify spending $800.00 on Dynastic Hero even though it is one of my all time favorites. I should have kept it while I had it.
Quote from: Bernie on 11/29/2014, 02:30 PMGot mine yesterday, but until I get my Duo from turbokon, I cannot play em. Has anyone fired them up in their consoles? It is looking like the TOCs match, because TurboRip and Magic Engine both see them as original games. I do however seem to have issues with Magic Engine not seeing them as a correct game, just says it's a PCE CD. Ootake did not have that issue.
Unless Magic Engine has changed. I thought you had to load of CD's on a virtual drive like Daemons Tools. Magic Engine may have came a long way though. I remember when it had no CD support at all.
Greedo Tobias might offer them separately in a future release.
Quote from: greedostick on 12/04/2014, 02:26 AMQuote from: Bernie on 11/29/2014, 02:30 PMGot mine yesterday, but until I get my Duo from turbokon, I cannot play em. Has anyone fired them up in their consoles? It is looking like the TOCs match, because TurboRip and Magic Engine both see them as original games. I do however seem to have issues with Magic Engine not seeing them as a correct game, just says it's a PCE CD. Ootake did not have that issue.
Unless Magic Engine has changed. I thought you had to load of CD's on a virtual drive like Daemons Tools. Magic Engine may have came a long way though. I remember when it had no CD support at all.
It has never has ISO support. You have always had to have a physical disc in your drive, or mounted via virtual drive.
Quote from: Bernie on 11/29/2014, 02:30 PMGot mine yesterday, but until I get my Duo from turbokon, I cannot play em. Has anyone fired them up in their consoles? It is looking like the TOCs match, because TurboRip and Magic Engine both see them as original games. I do however seem to have issues with Magic Engine not seeing them as a correct game, just says it's a PCE CD. Ootake did not have that issue.
http://youtu.be/LNcQi6bJBoY
Quote from: greedostick on 12/04/2014, 02:24 AMI really just have no use for the other games.
You. Suck. :(
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2014, 09:17 AMQuote from: greedostick on 12/04/2014, 02:24 AMI really just have no use for the other games.
You. Suck. :(
Yeah... You got me. I didn't realize Bonk 3 CD was included. I was thinking it was that wretched Kaze Kiri. Which you probably don't think is a much better statement on my part. But I just have no use for Godzilla. Owned it, hated it. And like I said I already have Dungeon Explorer 2. I may reconsider my ignorance and try and get on one of these possible second runs.
What I didn't get is that it's not a turbografx release, as it has Japanese designs. Also, why reproduce games that are already out there? Why not Castlevania, Ys IV, XAK III, etc. I'd think that would be more interesting.
Quote from: wyndcrosser on 12/07/2014, 09:51 PMWhat I didn't get is that it's not a turbografx release, as it has Japanese designs. Also, why reproduce games that are already out there? Why not Castlevania, Ys IV, XAK III, etc. I'd think that would be more interesting.
Konami would probably go after anyone re-releasing Castlevania. The jury is still out on Bonk 3 with them owning the Hudson brand.
What would be totally awesome would be full packaged translations of Anerth Fantasy Stories and the Legend of Xanadu games. I would pop a table raising boner if that ever happened.
Quote from: wyndcrosser on 12/07/2014, 09:51 PMWhat I didn't get is that it's not a turbografx release, as it has Japanese designs. Also, why reproduce games that are already out there? Why not Castlevania, Ys IV, XAK III, etc. I'd think that would be more interesting.
I assume no one is making discs of these because the people who translated the games are against manufactured discs of any kind being made of them.
Only time will tell if someone does it anyways.
Also, don't forget about the Startling odyssey II translation. Those 4 games together would make a nice box set. LOL
Quote from: wyndcrosser on 12/07/2014, 09:51 PMWhat I didn't get is that it's not a turbografx release, as it has Japanese designs.
The paper may be using Japanese version art, but the games themselves (aka the important part) are the US versions.
I love what Tobias is doing here, sorry Steve, and I wish more people would do something similar. But the reason they don't is it's not profitable. There used to be a company called TimeWalk games that made complete wth maps, top notch repros for Nes and SNES games. Stuff like Earthbound Zero and Seiken Densetsu 3 in full English form. No, you weren't paying for the Roms, those were stolen from someone who hacked and stole them from the company who owns the rights to them. You were paying for the quality and experience of playing a brand new 8 or 16-bit game again, which to a lot of people is priceless. And even at about $70 a pop, these guys weren't quitting their dayjobs, and eventually went out of business, as I knew they would. But I much rather pay $35 for a brand new, high quality repro of Dynastic Hero, than pay $800 for someone's 14th hand copy with Dorito fingerprints all over it.
I knew when I bought the Sapphire he made years ago, it wasn't some secret stash Hudson put in a time vault. I'm not that stupid, I knew it was a repro, and he should have said as much, it was pointless to try to mislead people, and most of us would have bought it anyway. Same thing wth Rockman, that was shitty. So I respect him now for branding the repros he does appropriately and making them easily distinguishable from the originals so people know. And I encourage more of this because the gaming market has grown disgusting with people that are more concerned with collecting games for bragging rights than ever actually playing them.
Not profitable? Please.
You can argue that it's not worth the investment in time (which is certainly far less time than people put into fan sites or game translations), but there's NO question that he's turning a profit.
Quote from: Nemo on 12/09/2014, 04:10 PMI love what Tobias is doing here, sorry Steve, and I wish more people would do something similar. But the reason they don't is it's not profitable. There used to be a company called TimeWalk games that made complete wth maps, top notch repros for Nes and SNES games. Stuff like Earthbound Zero and Seiken Densetsu 3 in full English form. No, you weren't paying for the Roms, those were stolen from someone who hacked and stole them from the company who owns the rights to them. You were paying for the quality and experience of playing a brand new 8 or 16-bit game again, which to a lot of people is priceless. And even at about $70 a pop, these guys weren't quitting their dayjobs, and eventually went out of business, as I knew they would. But I much rather pay $35 for a brand new, high quality repro of Dynastic Hero, than pay $800 for someone's 14th hand copy with Dorito fingerprints all over it.
I knew when I bought the Sapphire he made years ago, it wasn't some secret stash Hudson put in a time vault. I'm not that stupid, I knew it was a repro, and he should have said as much, it was pointless to try to mislead people, and most of us would have bought it anyway. Same thing wth Rockman, that was shitty. So I respect him now for branding the repros he does appropriately and making them easily distinguishable from the originals so people know. And I encourage more of this because the gaming market has grown disgusting with people that are more concerned with collecting games for bragging rights than ever actually playing them.
You are arguing about a different issue than the one I raised.
Tobias lost my respect when he profited from Bonknuts PCE MegaMan.
Tobias = 150% douchebag for doing that.
That is my criticism of Tobias.
ASIDE:
I question everyone's reading comprehension.
What Would Baby Jesus Do?
A: I would burn a CD-R (or ask someone to burn it for me) if I really wanted to play one of these unobtainable games. I would never pay $$$$$ for a game.
If Tobias hadn't profited from MegaMan PCE, I wouldn't have an axe to grind.
:)
Quote from: esteban on 12/09/2014, 06:23 PMQuote from: Nemo on 12/09/2014, 04:10 PMI love what Tobias is doing here, sorry Steve, and I wish more people would do something similar. But the reason they don't is it's not profitable. There used to be a company called TimeWalk games that made complete wth maps, top notch repros for Nes and SNES games. Stuff like Earthbound Zero and Seiken Densetsu 3 in full English form. No, you weren't paying for the Roms, those were stolen from someone who hacked and stole them from the company who owns the rights to them. You were paying for the quality and experience of playing a brand new 8 or 16-bit game again, which to a lot of people is priceless. And even at about $70 a pop, these guys weren't quitting their dayjobs, and eventually went out of business, as I knew they would. But I much rather pay $35 for a brand new, high quality repro of Dynastic Hero, than pay $800 for someone's 14th hand copy with Dorito fingerprints all over it.
I knew when I bought the Sapphire he made years ago, it wasn't some secret stash Hudson put in a time vault. I'm not that stupid, I knew it was a repro, and he should have said as much, it was pointless to try to mislead people, and most of us would have bought it anyway. Same thing wth Rockman, that was shitty. So I respect him now for branding the repros he does appropriately and making them easily distinguishable from the originals so people know. And I encourage more of this because the gaming market has grown disgusting with people that are more concerned with collecting games for bragging rights than ever actually playing them.
You are arguing about a different issue than the one I raised.
Tobias lost my respect when he profited from Bonknuts PCE MegaMan.
Tobias = 150% douchebag for doing that.
That is my criticism of Tobias.
ASIDE:
I question everyone's reading comprehension.
What Would Baby Jesus Do?
A: I would burn a CD-R (or ask someone to burn it for me) if I really wanted to play one of these unobtainable games. I would never pay $$$$$ for a game.
If Tobias hadn't profited from MegaMan PCE, I wouldn't have an axe to grind.
:)
Has Bonknuts ever called him out for a cut or something of the sort? I wonder if he talked to him if something could be worked out.
If these were Hucard games for the price asked, then I'd say they're probably not profitable, but, seeing as how these are just CD's, I can't imagine there being no profit involved.
I'm saying not profitable in terms of making an actual living from it. Certainly there would have to be some short term gain, or else why would anyone put in the time and effort to do all this instead of popping out generic CD-Rs? That's the whole thing about people criticizing him for his prices saying it can be done for less, well someone else step up and do it for less then. I'm all for a competitive market.
A "competitive market" is one thing... making profit on something that you either A.) dont own rights to or B.) have no legal consent to reproduce is borderline breaking the law. Guy by the name Brrraapp or something similar is doing the same thing here and on facebook with fan translated games like DracX, YsIV, and the nes2pce MegaMan. Says he can reproduce anything disc-based and will do so for 40$... and he still claims hes not making any profit even with a price tag like that 8/
There are numerous intellectual property laws being broken by gamers everday, so we would have to get into an argument that one sin is worse than another. Fans hacking games and distributing them for free is just as illegal. Most people don't have an issue with it because no individual is "profiting" per se, but the money a consumer spends on a high quality repro is for the package, presentation, and experience itself. As countless others have said, the ROMs are widely available for nothing. And to be fair, tens of thousands of people freesharing pirated games is far more damaging to a market and owners of said intellectual property than someone selling a few hundred repros.
Quote from: Nemo on 12/10/2014, 03:20 PMThere are numerous intellectual property laws being broken by gamers everday, so we would have to get into an argument that one sin is worse than another. Fans hacking games and distributing them for free is just as illegal. Most people don't have an issue with it because no individual is "profiting" per se, but the money a consumer spends on a high quality repro is for the package, presentation, and experience itself. As countless others have said, the ROMs are widely available for nothing. And to be fair, tens of thousands of people freesharing pirated games is far more damaging to a market and owners of said intellectual property than someone selling a few hundred repros.
Bootleggers profiting off of the original and not-so-original work of console enthusiast hombrewers and hackers is far more damaging to our community and game players in general than it is to the bottomline of corporations. Even if anyone's personal morality is so one dimensional that it aligns with laws or absolutes, it's not a matter of sympathizing or not with homebrewers/hackers. You will personally experience the void of projects that these people will no longer bust their asses over. The bootlegs of commercial games also makes it riskier for fans to work on hacks/translations or potentially do an at-cost pressing of something like the Golden Axe remake.
I can't really get into what my initial reaction was to this "Turbo" set, but it's seems to go against the whole point of previous bootlegs giving you 'the closest thing to the experience of having a complete copy of a "rarer" game'. I think that the real reason this set comes with custom covers is because he couldn't be bothered to spend any of the $10,000+ net profit from the first PCE Works set to actually buy original copies of the games (even to just resell them afterward) and he just downloaded some isos instead.
Considering that these don't have the novelty of even being reproductions and the custom Godzilla is still inferior to the PCE version and Bonk 3 is still inferior to the HuCards/roms, they should at least be sold individually for $20 - $30 tops.
I'm fairly "libertarian" when it comes to "intellectual propery," so I don't have a big issue with unauthorized reproductions, but I do share the concern with the profiting off the bedroom/hacker community. Like CrackTiger says, everyone will experience the void of projects when they are seen as slaving away for free for some high profit bootlegger instead of contributing to the community.
I'd rather spend money on original work like Atlantean or Pier Solar (Genesis).
Yarr, I think Megaman is the only thing that really sticks in people's craw about Tobias; people would give a lot fewer fucks if he'd stuck to commercial games only.
Quote from: guest on 12/10/2014, 04:14 PMYarr, I think Megaman is the only thing that really sticks in people's craw about Tobias; people would give a lot fewer fucks if he'd stuck to commercial games only.
Exactly.
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Yes, we have a thread (or two) here where Bonknuts expressed his "frustration" with Tobias.
The thread was created when Tobias announced PCE MegaMan was a available for sale, I reckon.
I ordered a set, can't wait to get it :D I don't own any of the four games, but all four were on my "if I ever win the lottery" list.
I did ask him how he wasn't getting sued, and he told me that NEC's own rights to release games on the platform are expired; why would they bother suing him for re-releasing games to a platform they can't even legally release them on?
That was his explanation anyway.
Quote from: guest on 11/14/2014, 09:33 AMQuote from: MotherGunner on 11/14/2014, 01:12 AMWe should request Magical Chase.
Hacking a 4mb huey to fit within super cd ram limits is likely beyond his abilities, but that would be a nice one. My dream would be to have both versions playable, selectable music between the original chippy tunes and the redbook ones from the sound track disc, and a small gallery showing side by side comparisons of the differences. A robot can dream, right?
It's 4megabit? Probably pretty doable on SCD (with load times for stages). If anything, it can be hacked for the arcade card format fairly easily (most hucards can be). I started doing this type of stuff, but stopped when the Everdrive card came out. I figured no one would care at that point. Flashcard > CD-Rs for most gamers.
Quote from: Nemo on 12/09/2014, 04:10 PMI love what Tobias is doing here, sorry Steve, and I wish more people would do something similar. But the reason they don't is it's not profitable. There used to be a company called TimeWalk games that made complete wth maps, top notch repros for Nes and SNES games. Stuff like Earthbound Zero and Seiken Densetsu 3 in full English form. No, you weren't paying for the Roms, those were stolen from someone who hacked and stole them from the company who owns the rights to them. You were paying for the quality and experience of playing a brand new 8 or 16-bit game again, which to a lot of people is priceless. And even at about $70 a pop, these guys weren't quitting their dayjobs, and eventually went out of business, as I knew they would. But I much rather pay $35 for a brand new, high quality repro of Dynastic Hero, than pay $800 for someone's 14th hand copy with Dorito fingerprints all over it.
I knew when I bought the Sapphire he made years ago, it wasn't some secret stash Hudson put in a time vault. I'm not that stupid, I knew it was a repro, and he should have said as much, it was pointless to try to mislead people, and most of us would have bought it anyway. Same thing wth Rockman, that was shitty. So I respect him now for branding the repros he does appropriately and making them easily distinguishable from the originals so people know. And I encourage more of this because the gaming market has grown disgusting with people that are more concerned with collecting games for bragging rights than ever actually playing them.
Permission would be a great starting point for most repro setups. Just because you won't get permission from the original makers of the game (big companies), doesn't mean you shouldn't obtain permission from everyone involved in the hack/translation/whatever. One doesn't negate the other. I'm not totally against a community pressing or such, but asking first is key. I can't give permission on behalf of Capcom stuffs, but I can for my own.
I never intended to profit from this anyway, so why should I care? I care because what's supposed to be free, is being profited on. I, like so many others, could sure use the money. If I had known someone else was gonna take my stuff, for the community, and profit from it - then I wouldn't have made it in the first place (or kept it private among friends). In my case, it did have an effect. I now think about what I rather put my time into (something I can fully control or hack/translate? Why risk my time). In the end, it had the effect of Megaman 2 not appearing on PCE SCD (I kept it in hucard format). And my work on Megaman 3 for SCD as a trilogy set (on CD). That also has been canned. I have Dragon Warrior on SCD as well, that's not released. Castlevania with upgraded CD sound track too, for SCD: not publicly released. A lot of the NES2PCE projects (now kept in beta form), could have been refined and released as CD projects with CD audio upgrades - not going to happen. Not a whole lot of people care, because most prefer the originals and already play them on the original console anyway. But yeah, it did have an effect. It made me question if I should do any more translation stuff on the PCE. If that doesn't bother you, then more power to you.. I guess.
Quote from: esteban on 12/10/2014, 04:27 PMHAILING:
Yes, we have a thread (or two) here where Bonknuts expressed his "frustration" with Tobias.
The thread was created when Tobias announced PCE MegaMan was a available for sale, I reckon.
I'm aware of his frustration in threads, I meant had he messaged him personally.
Quote from: TurboXray on 12/10/2014, 09:47 PMI never intended to profit from this anyway, so why should I care? I care because what's supposed to be free, is being profited on. I, like so many others, could sure use the money.
Have you considered talking to Tobias if you haven't done so already?
Quote from: TurboXray on 12/10/2014, 09:47 PMQuote from: Nemo on 12/09/2014, 04:10 PMI love what Tobias is doing here, sorry Steve, and I wish more people would do something similar. But the reason they don't is it's not profitable. There used to be a company called TimeWalk games that made complete wth maps, top notch repros for Nes and SNES games. Stuff like Earthbound Zero and Seiken Densetsu 3 in full English form. No, you weren't paying for the Roms, those were stolen from someone who hacked and stole them from the company who owns the rights to them. You were paying for the quality and experience of playing a brand new 8 or 16-bit game again, which to a lot of people is priceless. And even at about $70 a pop, these guys weren't quitting their dayjobs, and eventually went out of business, as I knew they would. But I much rather pay $35 for a brand new, high quality repro of Dynastic Hero, than pay $800 for someone's 14th hand copy with Dorito fingerprints all over it.
I knew when I bought the Sapphire he made years ago, it wasn't some secret stash Hudson put in a time vault. I'm not that stupid, I knew it was a repro, and he should have said as much, it was pointless to try to mislead people, and most of us would have bought it anyway. Same thing wth Rockman, that was shitty. So I respect him now for branding the repros he does appropriately and making them easily distinguishable from the originals so people know. And I encourage more of this because the gaming market has grown disgusting with people that are more concerned with collecting games for bragging rights than ever actually playing them.
Permission would be a great starting point for most repro setups. Just because you won't get permission from the original makers of the game (big companies), doesn't mean you shouldn't obtain permission from everyone involved in the hack/translation/whatever. One doesn't negate the other. I'm not totally against a community pressing or such, but asking first is key. I can't give permission on behalf of Capcom stuffs, but I can for my own.
I never intended to profit from this anyway, so why should I care? I care because what's supposed to be free, is being profited on. I, like so many others, could sure use the money. If I had known someone else was gonna take my stuff, for the community, and profit from it - then I wouldn't have made it in the first place (or kept it private among friends). In my case, it did have an effect. I now think about what I rather put my time into (something I can fully control or hack/translate? Why risk my time). In the end, it had the effect of Megaman 2 not appearing on PCE SCD (I kept it in hucard format). And my work on Megaman 3 for SCD as a trilogy set (on CD). That also has been canned. I have Dragon Warrior on SCD as well, that's not released. Castlevania with upgraded CD sound track too, for SCD: not publicly released. A lot of the NES2PCE projects (now kept in beta form), could have been refined and released as CD projects with CD audio upgrades - not going to happen. Not a whole lot of people care, because most prefer the originals and already play them on the original console anyway. But yeah, it did have an effect. It made me question if I should do any more translation stuff on the PCE. If that doesn't bother you, then more power to you.. I guess.
Totally, I agreed the whole Rockman situation was shitty, not only selling your work, but claiming it was an authentic release to the ignorant. I feel like you did that out of fan love and expected nothing monetary in return for your efforts so I feel he should give you a cut or have asked for permission first, but did you ask permission from Capcom at any point to tinker with their games and distribute it? If you didn't, Im not criticizing, my point is there are a ton of people doing stuff with older games they don't have any rights to, some taking away monetary gains and some not, it's their choice. And as Turbo lovers, collectors, nostalgists, however you identify yourself, we as the consumers of the media, we make choices too. And I like having options for what I want to support and not to, and at the end of the day if no one in the community supported Tobias, he would be left with a bunch of unsold plastic.
So we all have to make a choice what we are comfortable with. Looking back a decade ago, I used to be a real douche nozzle about any kind of piracy, felt like anyone who "stole" games in any form were a detriment to us "real" gamers. This was back when the "rere" games were actually affordable to a normal person, I was a poor college student at the time and chose to save my expendable income for the Drac Xes and Sylphias. But the climate is constantly changing, and the douche nozzles now are the ones we complain about on this forum gouging people on Ebay for games some of us will never be able to truly experience because other douche nozzles decided they got tired of collecting stamps and baseball cards, and video games would be a cool thing to keep in plastic cases.
I don't like playing Turbo games on my computer, I like opening up their case with mostly laughable cover art and putting the Hu-card or game disc in my Turbo Duo, and breathing in 2 8-bit processors. That's me.
Double posted :shock:
Quote from: Nemo on 12/11/2014, 12:27 AMQuote from: TurboXray on 12/10/2014, 09:47 PMQuote from: Nemo on 12/11/2014, 12:27 AMI knew when I bought the Sapphire he made years ago, it wasn't some secret stash Hudson put in a time vault. I'm not that stupid, I knew it was a repro, and he should have said as much, it was pointless to try to mislead people, and most of us would have bought it anyway. Same thing wth Rockman, that was shitty. So I respect him now for branding the repros he does appropriately and making them easily distinguishable from the originals so people know. And I encourage more of this because the gaming market has grown disgusting with people that are more concerned with collecting games for bragging rights than ever actually playing them.
Permission would be a great starting point for most repro setups. Just because you won't get permission from the original makers of the game (big companies), doesn't mean you shouldn't obtain permission from everyone involved in the hack/translation/whatever. One doesn't negate the other. I'm not totally against a on the original console anyway. But yeah, it did have an effect. It made me question if I should do any more translation stuff on the PCE. If that doesn't bother you, then more power to you.. I guess.
Totally, I agreed the whole Rockman situation was shitty, not only selling your work, but claiming it was an authentic release to the ignorant. I feel like you did that out of fan love and expected nothing monetary in return for your efforts so I feel he should give you a cut or have asked for permission first, but did you ask permission from Capcom at any point to tinker with their games and distribute it?
The difference though is as Bonknuts/TurboXray indicated, you likely won't get permission and nor could you afford it as an individual if you did if it goes for $5k-10k+, not unless you managed to say pull something off with Kickstarter. Bonknuts was reachable for permission, Capcom likely not. By Tobias avoiding both Capcom and Bonknuts, it gives the appearance he just didn't wanna split profits. Technically, you need to get 2 licenses (official forms of permission), both from Capcom, the developer/publisher, and NEC, the console manufacturer, if you wanna do things by the book and again, that's far less possible considering what you're gonna have to pay.
I would guess Tobias was more afraid of Bonknuts agreeing to a royalty split or flat fee as opposed to yelling at him in response to seeking permission, giving him the ole anti-profit, fan-credo lecture about how he did it all for the love of the game and profiting should have no part in it, etc. Either Tobias didn't wanna get yelled at or he didn't wanna have to agree to split profits. I dunno where his response was reported but he instead simply claimed that he didn't know where the Megaman hackulation came from which is bullshit, especially from a shady guy known to say bullshit like he did when it came to his first batch of Sapphires claiming they were some lost stash, trying to pass them off as authentic. We recently had a sucker that paid $600 for one that the seller either lied about or thought was authentic, so his actions have still had an effect...
Your rhetorical question to Bonknuts is simply a reminder that neither he, nor anybody else, has *legal* rights in these situations. We all know that though. This is about respecting wishes, ethics, doing things the right way, etc. Tobias could've at least contacted the reachable parties here, and Bonknuts versus Capcom/NEC, is far more reachable as a general fan that hangs out on PCE related forums, Facebook, his own PCE related blog, etc. Simple Google searches will yield contact info if one desires.
I went through this *big time* with the criminal fan translator that I used to work with on Ys games, Jeff Nussbaum (AKA DeuceBag) and a new company that came on the scene, XSEED Games... Ethically they cheated me for my work hours as a fan, but they also actually violated my IP Rights when it came to a 100% legal piece of unique translation software that I developed to manage translating scripts! I never licensed it to my translator for commercial purposes, neither verbally or in a license file, for him to get to sneak around and use it one last time to export translated results over to XSEED, get paid 100%, get credited 100%, but because it was on his computer having got there under fan circumstances, and because the other translator inside XSEED hated me (Tom-chan "WyrdWad" Lipschultz), they did whatever the hell they wanted and said f--k you to me!!!! Jeff never directly spoke to me again after pretending to be a friend across 8 years. He just sat there playing stupid, the monster that he is and that I never fully realized...
It's the sneaking around, the secrecy, doing it behind someone's back that's disgusting... Two other translators I worked with in the past made CD-Rs of Xak III and Ys IV, put them up on eBay. In the case of Ys IV, it was the main translator that I worked with, Shimarisu. If she had notified me, I likely would've just waived any sort of split, but it's the fact that somebody else using eBay caught the action, and reported it to me that bugged me the most. Xak III was being done by a friend who had nothing to do with the project, so that made us enemies for a while too... Anyway, none of that compares to Jeff and XSEED. That's pretty much one of the worst things that ever happened to me.
OK, so the point with Tobias is that his actions earned criticism and to know who you're buying from... You can talk about how you have no legal rights anyway, you didn't get permission either, etc., but all that does not block criticism when it comes to ethics and so forth like what I've seen in this thread - e.g. the earlier suggestion that either the fans who produced the translations or hacks make discs and sell them themselves, or don't release the work publicly at all, one or the other, suggesting to shut up and not complain that something you released up on the Internet for free can and will be used to somebody else's profit, etc. Not exactly a convincing argument in my book... If positive things can be said about such actions, so too can negative things. Deal with it.
In full disclosure, even in saying all this, I'm actually interested in Tobias' Dungeon Explorer II discs and might buy one if the price is right next year when they're sold separately. Can't say for sure, it'll depend on his pricing which usually sucks since he acts like he paid license fees to Capcom and NEC, which he did not, and neither did he spend a single work hour in creating said games, etc. Bootlegs are supposed to be cheap for poor-to-middle class people, and given that the bootlegger escaped thousands of dollars in license fees, that's the principle. Anyhow, yeah, he's a prick and I'd hate that he'd get my business, but oh well. I'll still call him out for his past as you can see.
I think we're all pretty much saying the same thing here, everyone hates someone for something. :D People take advantage of other people's work everyday, so at the end of the day, you have to do what you can to protect what you create or someone will surely come along at some point and use it for their own advantage. If Tobi gets sued to hell, that's on him, he took that risk. Were all sinners calling out other sinners, just strive to not be a hypocrite. From a gamer standpoint, were not talking about buying DVDs or CDs that are still in stores and retail for $10-$20, and I'm being a cheap prick and I only want to pay 2 for $5 to the local bootlegger. Were talking about 25+ year old games games that sell for $500 to $1000 on Ebay because x amount of copies are in existence and y amount of people would actually like to enjoy them without forgoing their mortgage.
Anyways, on the topic of Xak III and Ys IV English versions in a nice package, that would surely be something I would buy. :-"
Quote from: sniper on 12/10/2014, 07:42 PMI ordered a set, can't wait to get it :D I don't own any of the four games, but all four were on my "if I ever win the lottery" list.
I did ask him how he wasn't getting sued, and he told me that NEC's own rights to release games on the platform are expired; why would they bother suing him for re-releasing games to a platform they can't even legally release them on?
That was his explanation anyway.
Thanks for contacting Tobias. Although I don't believe him for contacting NEC. Considering there are many PCE and Turbo games available for purchase on Nintendo's Virtual console service, there isn't a case of expired rights.
Well, that's what I believe.
QuoteQuote from: sniper on 12/10/2014, 07:42 PMI ordered a set, can't wait to get it :D I don't own any of the four games, but all four were on my "if I ever win the lottery" list.
I did ask him how he wasn't getting sued, and he told me that NEC's own rights to release games on the platform are expired; why would they bother suing him for re-releasing games to a platform they can't even legally release them on ?
That was his explanation anyway.
Thanks for contacting Tobias. Although I don't believe him for contacting NEC. Considering there are many PCE and Turbo games available for purchase on Nintendo's Virtual console service, there isn't a case of expired rights.
Well, that's what I believe.
He was misdirecting in that response, acting like NEC was the only party he'd have to contact here. The publisher is the one that gets a full 75+ years of IP protection. Anyway, he won't get sued because the pirate networks that spread content for free by the millions is far more damaging than a guy that sells a few hundred pressed discs. That thinking is based on the idea of jealously and him making money.
When I was in Athens, Greece, everywhere you walked around, there was a bootlegger selling DVD-Rs of the latest movies for one to two euros. Is that guy on the street your threat as a company or friggin' The Pirate Pay where he downloaded it and spreads the movie by the millions daily ? Who is the higher priority ?? Companies are pretty much helpless or don't care anymore, don't think little targets here or there are worth the trouble.
I am sorry, but it really is simple:
(1) what Tobias did was FAR MORE DAMAGING to our tiny PCE hacker/homebrew community than many of you folks are willing to admit.
Bonknuts and CrackTiger both spoke plainly and honestly:
(2) Tobias, single-handedly, in one fell swoop, stopped/curtailed several current (and future) PCE projects that I (for one) was really looking forward to.
(3) The PRIMARY FORCE that motivates fan hacks/homebrew is enthusiasm.
(4) Tobias killed that enthusiasm. Even worse, he killed this enthusiasm in THE SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TALENTED/SKILLED ENOUGH to actually create something for the PCE community.
(5) Ultimately, Tobias' actions inflicted immediate and long-term damage to the very heart of the PCE community—the folks who are actively working on this ancient platform.
It really is that simple. And tragic. It doesn't take much to destroy enthusiasm. It takes a HELL OF A LOT to repair the damage. Often, you can't even repair it.
(7) I am sorry I had to point out the obvious to everyone who is SO DAMN HAPPY TO BUY NICE PIECES OF PLASTIC AND PAPER. For the record, I am conflicted about this issue: I think Tobias creates a professional product, I love the idea of pressed discs...but I don't want to support him for reasons stated above. Life would be much easier without ethics. Tobias presents us with a painful dilemma: he is offering something many of us want....but he also hurt the community irreparably. He is both our savior and our destroyer. He is both. Acknowledge that, at least.
( 8 ) I still love you all. But DAMN, just be honest about this. Stop rationalizing. Stop trying to justify it.
:)
Quote from: TurboXray on 12/10/2014, 08:13 PMIt's 4megabit? Probably pretty doable on SCD (with load times for stages). If anything, it can be hacked for the arcade card format fairly easily (most hucards can be).
Doable by someone like you with skillz, not Tobias.
Quote from: TurboXray on 12/10/2014, 09:47 PMIf I had known someone else was gonna take my stuff, for the community, and profit from it - then I wouldn't have made it in the first place (or kept it private among friends).
That's sam's thoughts as well, but realistically it's inevitable that someone will eventually pull something shitty. If you have 99 grateful, supportive people enjoying the fruits of your labor and 1 being a douche, you really shouldn't dwell on the 1; that's not to say you guys shouldn't care at all (it'd piss me right the fuck off too), but recognize that the vast majority of people are doing things the right way. Don't let one bad apple spoil the bushel!
Quote from: Nemo... did you ask permission from Capcom at any point to tinker with their games and distribute it?.....We're all sinners calling out other sinners, just strive to not be a hypocrite.
If you don't see the difference between Tom (a fan currently doing stuff in his free time for fun) and a faceless corporation that has nothing to lose and hasn't had anything to do with the PCE in decades, you might ride the short bus. Pro tip: ethics and legality are not synonyms.
Quote from: Nemo on 12/11/2014, 02:45 AMI think we're all pretty much saying the same thing here, everyone hates someone for something. :D People take advantage of other people's work everyday, so at the end of the day, you have to do what you can to protect what you create or someone will surely come along at some point and use it for their own advantage. If Tobi gets sued to hell, that's on him, he took that risk. Were all sinners calling out other sinners, just strive to not be a hypocrite. From a gamer standpoint, were not talking about buying DVDs or CDs that are still in stores and retail for $10-$20, and I'm being a cheap prick and I only want to pay 2 for $5 to the local bootlegger. Were talking about 25+ year old games games that sell for $500 to $1000 on Ebay because x amount of copies are in existence and y amount of people would actually like to enjoy them without forgoing their mortgage.
Anyways, on the topic of Xak III and Ys IV English versions in a nice package, that would surely be something I would buy. :-"
The person who organized and worked on the dub for Ys IV and worked on the English translation of Drac X had said many times that if anyone does a pressing for either or even contacts the various rights holders about licensing out an official pressing, that they will never do another PCE project.
The PCE Works/everanime/misc guy sold the bootlegs of Sapphire for "mortgage" prices for a long time and told many different lies about their authenticity. He sold his Space Fantasy Zone cdrs for something like $150 - $200 each. The first forum member to eventually bite the bullet and buy one to let us know what you get for that kind of money, only did so after he finally managed to haggle the price down to only $100.
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I didn't want make this into a debate about ethics, legality, and everything in between. I just wanted to provide a point of view from the other side, regardless of what's right or wrong and what's technically legal or not. Basically, the effect it can have on the homebrew/hacker/coder/whatever. I did contact Tobias. He explained that he purchased it as a prototype from Japan Yahoo actions. And I did see the auction (there were two, one went for $1500 IIRC). Basically, there was no legal recourse I could take. He offered me (either money or copies) in return, but I declined. Sure, I'm providing the rom/game on my site (even if altered) and in that respect contributing to the supposed loss Capcom endures from pirates roms (measure that how ever you will), but I can't in good conscience take money for this. My work, although my own, cannot be separated from the game itself. Technically, I could probably sell the 'patch' (you dump your own cart), but that's not the same thing nor desirable as owning a professional package or pressed CD. I didn't expect him to not sure what he already put money up for (cost of production, cost to have the manual/covers/art developed), but I did expect him not to publish any more (or any of my other stuff). To this day, he has not AFAIK. I did request something in return from him; that since he profited from community work - he should give back to the community; I asked that he make the covers and manuals free to download for the community. I never got a reply back, and he never did this. So there's your story (to the best of my memory).
I've said this before and I'll say it again, I don't hold any grudges for any gamer that purchased the copy of MM. I understand the desire to have package game like that VS just some CD-R (although his turned out to be just CD-Rs in the end anyway). I understand that many gamers tend to look at this as a 'service' to the retro gaming community. That's debatable. I'm also not against doing a community pressing either (something non-for-profit). I do understand that some will attempt to resell it for more or whatever. I'm not concerned with that; you do what you want with your own property. If it got to the point of that getting out of hand, then I simply wouldn't do/allow anymore. If I work on a joint project with someone though, I can't speak for them.
Anyway, stepping outside of all of this - I find it this discussion/debate about providing services VS amount of profit involved.. fascinating. Nothing is ever black and white. A what point does making too much profit negate the protecting status of 'just providing services to the community'. I definitely don't have a clear answer, to where that point should fall.
(sorry in advance for any grammar mistakes; wrote this right before class)
I have no ethical qualms with what Tobias is doing; no one was stopping others from bringing a similar product to market.
I run a blog, and if someone decided to copy the entirety of it and publish it in book form for profit, I wouldn't be butt hurt; I'd be proud that my stuff was out there for an expanded audience, even if I personally never saw a dime from it.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 02:18 PMI have no ethical qualms with what Tobias is doing; no one was stopping others from bringing a similar product to market.
I run a blog, and if someone decided to copy the entirety of it and publish it in book form for profit, I wouldn't be butt hurt; I'd be proud that my stuff was out there for an expanded audience, even if I personally never saw a dime from it.
So, since your content was free - then it doesn't matter that someone else profited from your work or took control of it (in a manner of speaking)? What if your content was paid-to-view or such type of revenue generating service? What if the content was altered by said publisher, in a way that you didn't like? Would those circumstances change your opinion?
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 02:18 PMI have no ethical qualms with what Tobias is doing; no one was stopping others from bringing a similar product to market.
I run a blog, and if someone decided to copy the entirety of it and publish it in book form for profit, I wouldn't be butt hurt; I'd be proud that my stuff was out there for an expanded audience, even if I personally never saw a dime from it.
Holy crap. Nightwolf not being happy with his Ys translation work being sold to a publisher without his permission, Burnt Lasagna not wanting translated projects he worked on to be sold, Arkhan not thanking Roy for flipping pre-release cdr copies for hundreds of dollars, Tomatheous's hindsight of the NES to PCE project after Rockman is sold for proft, etc.
Everyone's
real problem is just that their "butthurt" when really they should be grateful.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 02:18 PMI have no ethical qualms with what Tobias is doing; no one was stopping others from bringing a similar product to market.
I run a blog, and if someone decided to copy the entirety of it and publish it in book form for profit, I wouldn't be butt hurt; I'd be proud that my stuff was out there for an expanded audience, even if I personally never saw a dime from it.
Go fuck yourself.
QuoteEveryone's real problem is just that their "butthurt" when really they should be grateful.
QuoteGo fuck yourself
Hah, you guys are too emotional-- can you think logically for five seconds?
Instead of sitting here complaining, why don't you go make your own release, and undercut Tobias on price if you can?
I think he's offering a valuable service and product. I'm more than happy to part with my money at the price he's asking. If you can provide a better product, then I'll be more than happy to buy yours instead.
QuoteInstead of sitting here complaining, why don't you go make your own release, and undercut Tobias on price if you can?
Because we have ethics. Two wrongs do not make a right.
(Three rights make a left, though :) )
I think you've completely missed the point, man. By...a mile.
Nobody seems to be upset with what Tobias is currently offering. What they are upset about is taking their work, completely misrepresenting it, and selling it for a profit.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 12/11/2014, 03:05 PMGo fuck yourself.
When NecroPhile once told me to do that, I was bitching around at first. But eventually I took my lesson and learned from my mistake.
He wasn't even moderating back then.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 02:18 PMI have no ethical qualms with what Tobias is doing; no one was stopping others from bringing a similar product to market.
I run a blog, and if someone decided to copy the entirety of it and publish it in book form for profit, I wouldn't be butt hurt; I'd be proud that my stuff was out there for an expanded audience, even if I personally never saw a dime from it.
Go fuck yourself, again.
QuoteWhat they are upset about is taking their work, completely misrepresenting it, and selling it for a profit.
No no, I get that! But translating some obscure, thirty year old Japanese video game doesn't entitle you to anything, least of all the back of some moral high horse.
If you want to make money, go offer a product or service whereby people are willing to part with their hard-earned money. Don't get angry at
someone else for offering value where you either won't or can't. That's called envy.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 04:14 PMNo no, I get that! But translating some obscure, thirty year old Japanese video game doesn't entitle you to anything, least of all the back of some moral high horse.
If you want to make money, go offer a product or service whereby people are willing to part with their hard-earned money. Don't get angry at someone else for offering value where you either won't or can't. That's called envy.
You're obviously a moron.
The only thing of true value that tobias is offering is the content on the disc, which wouldn't exist without people like Tom. Don't try to say I'm wrong, as we all know you wouldn't pay more than a couple bucks if it was just the case, manual, and a blank disc.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 04:14 PMQuoteWhat they are upset about is taking their work, completely misrepresenting it, and selling it for a profit.
No no, I get that! But translating some obscure, thirty year old Japanese video game doesn't entitle you to anything, least of all the back of some moral high horse.
If you want to make money, go offer a product or service whereby people are willing to part with their hard-earned money. Don't get angry at someone else for offering value where you either won't or can't. That's called envy.
I thought only the profiteer could kill the enthusiasm of the PCE hack/homebrew community.
I was wrong.
Troglodytes like you also kill it.
I hope, however, that one day you will develop the capacity to understand this issue. This issue cannot be reduced to economic principles and market dynamics.
Read this:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18032.msg383946#msg383946
And provide a thoughtful, considered response. I eagerly await your contribution to the discussion. Thank you.
QuoteI hope, however, that one day you will develop the capacity to understand this issue.
Hah, no arrogance here! Oh yes, I bow before you oh enlightened one...
QuoteTroglodytes like you also kill it.
...one so enlightened you resort to ad hominem attacks to make your point. =D> Obviously you have no substantive argument other than raw emotion.
So who is the enlightened one?
Quote from: NecroPhileYou're obviously a moron.
Another ad hominem attack. Consider yourself lucky I'm even bothering to respond.
Quote from: NecroPhileThe only thing of true value that tobias is offering is the content on the disc, which wouldn't exist without people like Tom. Don't try to say I'm wrong, as we all know you wouldn't pay more than a couple bucks if it was just the case, manual, and a blank disc.
Then why aren't I paying
you and others 119 Euro? The proof is in the pudding; he is bringing a real, tangible joy to my doorstep that I can put in my system and play. If he wasn't offering the value, why would I be sending him my money?
The files have zero value sitting around on your hard drive. That's why you're not making money off of them. Their value
becomes manifest in the product that Tobias is offering-- not before. An idea is worthless if it hasn't been brought into the world.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 04:48 PMAnother ad hominem attack. Consider yourself lucky I'm even bothering to respond.
Lucky? After you called Tom a butthurt whiner, I couldn't care less if you dropped off the face of earth.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 04:48 PMThen why aren't I paying you and others 119 Euro? The proof is in the pudding; he is bringing a real, tangible joy to my doorstep that I can put in my system and play. If he wasn't offering the value, why would I be sending him my money?
The files have zero value sitting around on your hard drive. That's why you're not making money off of them. Their value becomes manifest in the product that Tobias is offering-- not before. An idea is worthless if it hasn't been brought into the world.
You believe translations, homebrew, etc. are worthless and not 'real world' until someone makes pressed discs? That's simply absurd. If I sit you down in front of a system with the game running, you'll never be able to tell if it's a cd or cdr (or flashcart instead of a commercial hucard), so how is one any less 'real world' than the other?
Well, this thread went to shit fast...lol I think I will just go f%^$ myself....with a hair dryer....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 04:48 PMQuote from: NecroPhileThe only thing of true value that tobias is offering is the content on the disc, which wouldn't exist without people like Tom. Don't try to say I'm wrong, as we all know you wouldn't pay more than a couple bucks if it was just the case, manual, and a blank disc.
Then why aren't I paying you and others 119 Euro? The proof is in the pudding; he is bringing a real, tangible joy to my doorstep that I can put in my system and play. If he wasn't offering the value, why would I be sending him my money?
The files have zero value sitting around on your hard drive. That's why you're not making money off of them. Their value becomes manifest in the product that Tobias is offering-- not before. An idea is worthless if it hasn't been brought into the world.
sniper, you are confused. You have it backwards.
Tobias did not translate a game. Or patch it. Or create audio dubs for cinemas. Or hack MegaMan, Castlevania, Dragon Warrior, Contra, etc. to play on PCE.
TOBIAS DID NONE OF THESE THINGS.
sniper, you do realize that when folks like Bonknuts and NightWolve and Burnt_Lasagna and _________ stop creating new stuff (translation patches, audio dubs, hacks, new games).....we all suffer, right?
TOBIAS DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK.
Apparently, you don't either.
I do.
So, go fuck yourself. :)
QuoteI couldn't care less if you dropped off the face of earth.
Wat... if I say to you, "you're being irrationally butthurt, and here is my reasoning", that is
not an ad hominem attack. Calling me a "moron" and a "troglodyte" is.
And about your latest argument: let me reiterate, proof is in the pudding. If you want to make money,
offer me a product or service whereby I value the marginal utility of the product or service more than the marginal utility of the money I'm foregoing. Don't get pissy that someone else is doing that.
QuoteTobias did not translate a game. Or patch it. Or create audio dubs for cinemas. Or hack MegaMan, Castlevania, Dragon Warrior, Contra, etc. to play on PCE.
Yikes, go back and re-read my message. You are
literate, right?
Anyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 06:30 PMAnyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.
EVERYBODY'S CRAZY BUT ME!!!!!!
If you don't understand how packaging someone else's work and selling it, without giving them an ounce of credit or making the slightest attempt to reimburse them - because the money you've made would not be possible without the work that they did - is a shitty thing...well...I join the peanut gallery and invite you to GFY.
Quote from: Bernie on 12/11/2014, 05:33 PMWell, this thread went to shit fast...lol I think I will just go f%^$ myself....with a hair dryer....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Just making some more pcefx memories Berns.... Ahhhh good times.
Quote from: guest on 12/11/2014, 07:03 PMQuote from: Bernie on 12/11/2014, 05:33 PMWell, this thread went to shit fast...lol I think I will just go f%^$ myself....with a hair dryer....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Just making some more pcefx memories Berns.... Ahhhh good times.
Be sure to remove all items containing plastic to the next room before commencing, Berns. Please.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 06:30 PMQuote from: estebanTobias did not translate a game. Or patch it. Or create audio dubs for cinemas. Or hack MegaMan, Castlevania, Dragon Warrior, Contra, etc. to play on PCE.
Yikes, go back and re-read my message. You are literate, right?
Anyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.
You read my posts, correct?
Reducing the complexity of our discussion (which involves ethics) to a binary economic formula that even a mentally challenged cave-dweller would find ludicrous is...hilarious!
sniper's theory of value*Value = physical commodity delivered to customer (pieces of plastic/paper sold by Tobias)
No value = time/energy/skill/labor/expertise to create translation/dub/hack (distributed digitally/online)
*a willfully narrow, overly-simplistic formulation that fails to capture the complexity of the real-world issues at hand.
Hilarious! Your theory of value, which sidesteps the VERY HEART OF OUR DISCUSSION is a naive attempt to misdirect us.
Again, re-read my post (I linked to it in a prior post) and post a thoughtful reply.
This is my second request that you respond to ANY of the 7-8 points I listed.
I am waiting for your thoughtful response.
Meanwhile...You are a coy illusionist, sniper. You have no desire to engage in the actual discussion. Your logic does not hold. Your argument does not hold. Oh, you vainly tried to dress your limp thesis in the sterile, stiff cloak of economics....but you forgot that we are literate and semi-intelligent.
We are the Cro-Magnon to your Le Troglodyte.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 06:30 PMIf you want to make money, offer me a product or service whereby I value the marginal utility of the product or service more than the marginal utility of the money I'm foregoing. Don't get pissy that someone else is doing that.
This is similar to what was said before. I can and will get "pissy" when my work hours were somehow involved. If you can clap like a seal and say only positive things about his actions because it serves your interests in wanting a pressed disc, so too can negative things be said about him if he took advantage of somebody else to produce his product, most especially by the actual people who had their terms-of-use violated... You don't get to tell critics they somehow have no say via "don't get pissy," only that YOU do. The world is not a "only positive comments allowed" when it suits you, you're not "entitled" to that, so to speak.
I don't fall into this category, but another point is that many fan hackers/translators have a strict fan credo view that the work is non-profit and specifically state in their licensing files that the work is not to be sold by anyone. Not that they will be listened to, not that they have legal rights, WE KNOW THAT, only to make known their wishes! Such people do not want discs pressed, and are not ever going to make them themselves... Duh! So you going around and telling them either make the pressed discs yourselves, or don't get pissy (read: don't complain, shut up!) when somebody else does without consent/notification, is self-serving, entirely disrespectful of their viewpoint and the conditions under which they did the work in the first place.
You're NOT "entitled" to receiving a pressed disc and neither was Tobias in making one [legally] since he escaped thousands of dollars in license fees, just so you know.
Quote from: sniper on 12/11/2014, 06:30 PMAnyway, I'm done checking this thread. You guys are just reinforcing my initial impression that you're too emotional to process reason.
It's not that we're too emotional to process reason, it's that you're apparently too self-serving to criticize him for his past actions, both his lying about his Sapphire bootlegs which have cost suckers hundreds of dollars, and the taking of fan work without consent/notification.
Given Bonknuts/TurboXray's explanation though, I now have to revise what I said about Tobias if they indeed spoke to each other at some point. It was Bonknuts that contacted him, not the other way around though, but that might be understandable if the source of the Rockman bootleg was some auction in Japan and Tobias took it and duped more of them.
Zzzzz....Zzzzzzz....Zzzzz....
Oh sorry, not entertaining enough for ole toymachine here...
Most everyone is making valid points, let's just accept that and be courteous to our Turbros, even if some have been less than courteous to us in the past. Some guys have had bridges burned and will never reconcile, that's their prerogative. Tobias seems to be moving in the right direction but he's certainly no hero, and my point was in the spirit of enthusiasm, as my bro Steve said, I love the idea of these repros. And I'm not alone. However, Tobias execution of the idea has been flawed, so as a community lets learn and grow from this in a positive way in the creation of future projects.
And thank you Nightwolve for your work on Ys IV, great stuff. Im too stupid to figure out how to burn a copy that works in my Duo, but someday. :)
Quote... if the source of the Rockman bootleg was some auction in Japan and Tobias took it and duped more of them.
IIRC, that's what he *claimed*. Then someone here bought a copy, and dumped it. Lo and Behold, it
was an exact duplicate (byte for byte) of Bonknuts iso :) Which is what started the whole sh*t storm.
QuoteIf you want to make money, offer me a product or service whereby I value the marginal utility of the product or service more than the marginal utility of the money I'm foregoing. Don't get pissy that someone else is doing that.
Want to buy a stolen VCR? I cleaned it and made sure it worked....
...and don't say its not the same. Rockman was taken without consent for distribution. Personal use only is the general rule for downloads.
I believe Bonknuts did the whole NES-to-PCE conversions for educational reasons; he wanted to know if it would be possible. He shared that information hoping others would then be able to use it. Not sell it.
Quote from: Nemo on 12/11/2014, 11:07 PMAnd thank you Nightwolve for your work on Ys IV, great stuff. Im too stupid to figure out how to burn a copy that works in my Duo, but someday. :)
Start with a good CD writer (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=plextor+cd+writer&N=-1&isNodeId=1)
Add some good quality 74min recordable media (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=mitsui+74&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Amitsui+74)
Download sweet software (http://www.imgburn.com/)
Pat yourself however you feel seems appropriate (http://www.eventnow.com/article/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Group-Party-Package-Balloons.jpg)
Some of you guys are much more pissed than I am. Matter of fact, I wasn't exactly pissed or angry (just a little bit upset). And I can't speak for any other repros that are being sold without permission (this is a huge problem in the SNES scene right now). I felt more sad, and foolish, than anything else. Tobias has seemed to gauge public opinion on the matter and has stuck with just untouched PCE CD games. So it's not him that's a concern, but somebody else that has no scruples about taking Dracula X, Xak III, Ys IV, or the upcoming games (Spriggan Mark 2, Xanadu, etc). There are plenty of people, like Sniper, that could care less as long as they have a product in hand. I'm actually really surprised Ys IV with the recent dub, hasn't become prime candidate #1. I understand that CD-Rs suck for more people (older Duo's not running, the hassle of trying to get a good burn, etc) or don't want to use emulation. I honestly don't have an answer to that.
Anyway, lets move on. I'm sick of discussing the MM debacle (it's beginning to feel narcissistic - lol) . I don't think anything more can be said on it. Thankfully, it was the only one and not something like Ys IV (I hope BL does more dub projects).
That said, I'm not against community based pressings or hucard stuffs of anything that I work on (though I can only speak for myself and not co-work) - as long as they are non-profit in fashion. I think that would satisfy both the need/desire to have the game and the greater issue of profiting/etc. Well, this community/forum anyway. Yeah, there will be people like <forget his name> that will resell it for bank (like what happened to Ark?). The difference is the greater purpose; getting the game to the fans without making a business out of it. Originally, this was brought up about Dracula X (community pressing) and I said no. Not because I was against it, but I feared that my name would be attached to it and legal action taken against me (my field is Computer Science, so that wouldn't be a good thing). Looking back now, it was probably kind of irrational to think that. And I wouldn't have a problem now (non-profit community pressing). But, I still can't speak on behalf of Fragmare, BL, and others that were involved in that project.
I mean, im completely willing to pay a few bucks for some nice discs with a sweet printed image on em and then I will burn them myself...
Personally, I think the best way to do this kind of stuff and stay friendly with the community is to have everything up on the internet for download. For example, if someone wants to package MM then they should provide links to the download, + links to a lightscribe file, and the files to print your own manual. Then they can charge whatever they want. Those who don't want to mess with it will pay, everyone else can make their own.
Edit: For some grammar.
Speaking of lightscribe, what's the best lightscribe discs for Turbo?
Quote from: clackattack on 12/12/2014, 03:27 PMI mean, im completely willing to pay a few bucks for some nice discs with a sweet printed image on em and then I will burn them myself...
What if you have a complete disk based game that is expensive
And you have an extra loose disk you keep in a cd binder or such that you use to play the game instead of messing with the complete expensive one?
Taiyo Yuden makes something like a "water shelid" topped disc that is meant for printing on... not 100% sure if it works with lightscribe tho
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion => Topic started by: Mathius on 11/13/2014, 09:52 AM