What should I get while I'm in Japan ???

[GUTS]

KLF rules, do you like anything in the entire world that other people like?

[Kitsunexus]

KLF rules, do you like anything in the entire world that other people like?

A lot of people hate horrible house techno.

[SignOfZeta]

A lot of people hate good stuff, so what?

I think its probably fair to admit that the 2 or 3 songs that made it on American radio from the KLF are now the most dated sounding stuff and I basically never listen to it. KLF (or rather The Jams as they were known at the time) started out being about really bad rap music that was funny and politically topical. Then it was about Chill Out (re-inventing "space music" into something that it now is), then it was all about "pure trance", which in a lot of ways never advanced. *Then* it was about remixes of the 'pure trance' tracks into the "Stadium House Trilogy", which is the stuff that charted the best and got the most exposure in the US and nauseated the most people.

Now, you'd think that people would understand that any group that gets Tammy Wynette to wear a crown and sit on a thrown and drop lyrics about the Illuminati and the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu is not to be taken seriously. You'd think. But this stuff hit the same time most American pop fans were making the transition from Poison to Soundgarden which must have put them in a real state of confusion.

What I find interesting is that KLF kind of paved the way for the way musicians are doing things now. They didn't give a shit about copyright and they were their own record company. The only thing they didn't foreshadow was the current heavy emphasis on touring.

[GUTS]

I loved that song with Tammy Wynette, fucking genius.

[quoth09]

This reminds of a guy that paid something like $1100 for what was supposedly the only existing retail copy of The KLF's "Love Trance" 12" (Pure Trance volume 3). For ages it was possible to get the sleeves and labels but it was never pressed, and in fact nobody had ever even heard the song before, not even on a white label.

Virtually everyone on the mailing list at the time thought it was fake. Its not that the song didn't sound like KLF (it sorta did) the track on the record had been circulating through the internet for years, and its validity was disputed and the logistics just didn't make sense. Why would there be only one retail copy of something from a duo that had such a history of releasing DJ promos etc? Since the band dissolved its been possible to find a artistic trail for virtually everything they produced in the form of promos (some print runs as low as 12), previous takes, etc including all sorts of unreleased stuff. But this supposedly legitimate copy of Love Trance kind of exists in a vacuum.

The guy who payed a grand for it wanted it to be special and real, but that doesn't make it so. Think of all the stories from the eBay sellers that say that Sapphire was only for sale at some show, or that only so many copies were made (some number they'll quote, when in reality I'm not sure anyone knows). Then think of the Care4Data releases...how much did the first one go for?

http://www.discogs.com/release/151629

Only 20 fully labelled and sleeved versions exist.
Also there are 3 white label test pressings.

The copy he paid 1100$ for was most likely a Test Pressing. Those are extremely rare.


1100$ is nothing for some of their stuff though.
This USED to go for 2000 pounds (equivalently slightly over 4000$):
http://www.discogs.com/release/140785

I'm honestly surprised that it no longer holds the value that it once did. There were supposedly only 20 copies left, as they burned the originals, so I really doubt that 100 people own that, or that those 3 copies for sale are authentic. There are several different vinyl bootlegs that have been making their rounds over the years. Most likely the venture of the internet and people just wanting the music, rather than the original release has killed off the value extensively. For those clueless about that release, basically the 2 members burned most of the copies after they went to ABBA's doorstep to talk to them about their samples they had used. The release was banned and ordered destroyed because it illegally sampled tons of artists.

You can say The KLF sucked all you want Kitsunexus, if you don't like their music, but you can't sit back and ignore their creativity and the overall scheme of things they did, which blow any other pop band out of the water for the last decade and beyond. The theatrics on their videos are absolutely crazy, and what they did during awards shows in the UK, not to mention all the other things they did, made the whole record industry a farce of itself, much bigger than anything is going on these days, with the exception of possibly selling music via the internet without record companies. Basically the whole thing was an art show / joke, and a lot of people didn't get the joke, because it was way over their head. They even wrote a book, which I forgot the title, but it was something about how to have a #1 single or something.

Go do some research about them and you will easily see what a riot the whole stuff is. Jimmy Cauty is still pulling art stunts to this day. The whole thing is a slap in the art world's face anyway, and like I said, most people don't get the joke.

[Kitsunexus]

Jimmy Cauty is still pulling art stunts to this day.

Sorry, but I'm not a pretentious art fuck, so I don't find what he does amusing.

[bust3dstr8]

Hmmm.....just to start, I would say

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[quoth09]

Sorry, but I'm not a pretentious art fuck, so I don't find what he does amusing.

No one said you were, nor do you have to. Not to mention I never said pulling art stunts was 'amusing'.
It's a riot, so don't put words in my mouth. 

My main comment wasn't even about him and his art, so you completely missed the whole point.

Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean that no one else is allowed to.
No one sits around and constantly trashes your 'fetish / lifestyle', or whatever you consider or call it.
Yes, I know about that. Do I care? No.
Everyone is different.



All the above aside, if I went to Japan for a week, I would probably devote 2-3 days to just arcades and gaming shops, and the rest of the time to looking at their country itself. A lot of people go over there and focus on the pop-culture, when that is obviously not the only thing over there. The landscape and scenery is supposed to be much different than in the states, not to mention the monuments and their other attractions besides entertainment. I know we are all gamers here, but there are other things in the world, lol. I think you need to look at how many times you plan on visiting Japan in your lifetime.

But if you don't care, you could pick me up a working X68000 or 2  .

[Kitsunexus]

No one said you were, nor do you have to. Not to mention I never said pulling art stunts was 'amusing'.
It's a riot, so don't put words in my mouth. 

[SignOfZeta]

http://www.discogs.com/release/151629

Only 20 fully labelled and sleeved versions exist.
Also there are 3 white label test pressings.

The copy he paid 1100$ for was most likely a Test Pressing. Those are extremely rare.

That isn't a reliable website for KLF discog info. The good places to go are http://www.klf.de/ and http://www.klf-communications.net/

Anything claiming to be Love Trance is fake. The sleeves and labels are real, the actual vinyl is fake. WTIL Monster Attack is real. The actual track that is supposedly Love Trance is almost certainly fake. It was never released. Never promoed. And I've never even heard of a test pressing, fake or otherwise.

1100$ is nothing for some of their stuff though.
This USED to go for 2000 pounds (equivalently slightly over 4000$):
http://www.discogs.com/release/140785

I'm honestly surprised that it no longer holds the value that it once did. There were supposedly only 20 copies left, as they burned the originals, so I really doubt that 100 people own that, or that those 3 copies for sale are authentic. There are several different vinyl bootlegs that have been making their rounds over the years. Most likely the venture of the internet and people just wanting the music, rather than the original release has killed off the value extensively. For those clueless about that release, basically the 2 members burned most of the copies after they went to ABBA's doorstep to talk to them about their samples they had used. The release was banned and ordered destroyed because it illegally sampled tons of artists.

I've never even heard of someone paying 200, let alone 2000 GBP for 1987. Its not that rare at all. Its thousands of times more common that other stuff since it was actually pressed and sent to shops in the thousands. A lot of people bought it before it was recalled. I've known of probably 50 people myself on the KLF mailing list that have owned it. I'd say $120 is a good price, but now that a very authentic bootlegs exist, I'd just do with that.