Finally, someone has made a port of mednafen (an acronym for "My Emulator Doesn't Need A Frickin' Excellent Name.") for the Wii, courtesy of Raz0red (http://wiibrew.org/wiki/User:Raz0red).
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WiiMednafen is a partial port of the Mednafen emulator.
Emulators supported:
GameBoy/GameBoy Color
GameBoy Advance
Game Gear
Lynx
Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)
Neo Geo Pocket
PC Engine (CD)/TurboGrafx 16 (CD)/SuperGrafx (Fast version)
PC-FX
Sega Master System
Virtual Boy
WonderSwan
It should be noted that the Virtual Boy emulation included with this emulator is much improved over WiirtualBoy. Most games now run at 100% speed without frame skipping. These improvements are due entirely to Ryphecha (Mednafen) who optimized the core emulation code in addition to eliminating idle loops on a per game basis.
As you can tell Mednafen is sort of a Swiss army knight emulator, capable of emulating a variety of different systems.
Most of the emulators included in WiiMednafen have already been done before on the Wii but were this emulator shines the most is the
very solid TurboGrafx 16/CD section of the emulator, which has never been done quite right before on the Wii.
You can check out a video of the emulator running here.
http://youtu.be/qpWFx-QGfb8
I'm very excited to see how this develops over time, spatially the PC-FX section that runs very slow at the moment.
You can download WiiMednafen here.
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/WiiMednafen
So anyone here use their Wii for homebrew reasons? If not then this is defiantly a good enough reason to merit its use :)
Mednafen is one of the finest PC Engine emulators there are. Only Ootake is as good.
QuoteMednafen is one of the finest PC Engine emulators there are. Only Ootake is as good.
No contest really.
All the TG16/CD games that I have tested have all worked perfectly or with very minor problems but I'm sure they have something to do with the port.
I've never had a single problem either. I also rely on Mednafen for testing homebrew.
Last time I tried to use Mednafen I gave up because it required some 1970s-style command line bullshit. Do I still need a keyboard to use this?
Keep in mind I'm talking about the recent Wii port Mednafen and yeah the PC version is still a command line based program but there is a third party GUI that you can download, it's missing some features so you still have to use the command prompt if you want to go farther then hucard games.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/30/2011, 10:39 PMLast time I tried to use Mednafen I gave up because it required some 1970s-style command line bullshit. Do I still need a keyboard to use this?
I know you own a Mac as well, so I have a question. How were you actually able to download and install it? Does it even exist?
When I tried, I was told I had to install some useless "Darwin Ports" program in order to even download it, which is complete and total bullshit in itself, but that's not even the worst of it.
The site linked as "Darwin Ports" from mednafen's own webpage apparently doesn't even exist anymore, and when I did a little digging I learned the so-called "Darwin Ports" was actually a fake (for what purpose, I have no idea).
At this point, I laughed to myself ruefully at the absurdity of the situation and never looked back. Apparently having a simple link on the mednafen website to download the Mac executable is too difficult for them to handle.
Fuck teh Mac.
How is the sound emulation for the pc-engine hucard games? Wiiengine and the Hu-Go ports had shitty sound emulation on the Wii. Quite a bit of sound was missing from both of those emulators.
Quote from: geise on 10/31/2011, 09:32 AMHow is the sound emulation for the pc-engine hucard games? Wiiengine and the Hu-Go ports had shitty sound emulation on the Wii. Quite a bit of sound was missing from both of those emulators.
I've only tested one Hucard game and that's Magical Chase but from that and what other people have said the sound emulation is way better then Wiiengine or Hu-Go GX combined.
As I said earlier this is essentially perfect for Hucard/CD games.
Nice! Thanks for sharing the info Burnt. :D
Command line is fine if you're doing work (Programming), but if you want games, GUIs are better.
Not many people want to manually edited a textfile for config, or refer to a manual and on-screen prompts to set up a controller..
Quote from: guest on 10/31/2011, 02:05 PMNot many people want to manually edited a textfile for config, or refer to a manual and on-screen prompts to set up a controller..
I use Ootake on my PC for this very reason, even though mednafen is better in some ways.
Quote from: nat on 10/31/2011, 01:00 AMI know you own a Mac as well, so I have a question. How were you actually able to download and install it? Does it even exist?
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I actually don't remember if I was trying and failing to get the Windows or OSX version running. I think I got it to actually run, I just didn't actually get it to play a game.
I know a lot of stuff gets ported to certain UNIX/Linux platforms and can then run in OSX if specific frameworks are installed. Usually though this is nearly as difficult as just porting it outright. That shit never works for people who can...like...remember what color the sky is, or describe the sexual organs of another person.
Leaving the command-line stupidity asside (some people like to pretend they were in the movie Hackers before they play Bonk, I can accept that) another thing that pisses me off about PCE emus is how HuCards and CDs are treated separately. This is just annoying bullshit. My Duo R plays everything but SHu Cards. It has a power button and a door switch. Why the fuck are PCE emulators so much more complicated than this? SNES9x is faultlessly idiot-proof and has been for a decade. Same for Genesis, Neo Geo, CPS. Even systems like PS1, N64, and Taito Type X are light years beyond PCE in usability. I don't get it.
Ootake is your friend.
Its as usable as Snes9x
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/31/2011, 07:33 PMLeaving the command-line stupidity asside (some people like to pretend they were in the movie Hackers before they play Bonk, I can accept that) another thing that pisses me off about PCE emus is how HuCards and CDs are treated separately. This is just annoying bullshit. My Duo R plays everything but SHu Cards. It has a power button and a door switch. Why the fuck are PCE emulators so much more complicated than this? SNES9x is faultlessly idiot-proof and has been for a decade. Same for Genesis, Neo Geo, CPS. Even systems like PS1, N64, and Taito Type X are light years beyond PCE in usability. I don't get it.
OK so my response wasn't very nice. They're treated differently because THEY ARE DIFFERENT. It's that simple.
But to the user they are the same. You put the game in and hit "RUN". The only configuration a user should have to perform is mapping the controller.
There are only two logical reasons I can think of to explain why Mednafen is such a fuckin pain in the ass:
1) The developer is incapable of making their program behave as if it were designed for human beings.
Unless the programmer is seriously autistic this is almost inconcieveable. Making an emulator is serious business. Making a GUI is Intro to Programming 101. Unless you were home schooled by robots you know how to make a GUI.
2) The developer has some sort of agenda to alienate regular users.
People who cannot find the time or brain power to devote to learning an arcane set of instructions are deemed not worthy of using the program. This keeps "stupid assholes" like me from ever enjoying their work. It works really well. I failed the pre-screening without them even knowing what an asshole I am!
If there is any other explaination, I can't see it.
The hoops you have to jump through just to download a copy of the Mac version would seem to support #2. To this day I still have never tried mednafen for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post. To be honest, I'm not even sure a Mac version actually exists as I've certainly never seen it or talked to anyone who had.
How is the pc-fx emulation on this one?
mednafen bonk2.pce
^^^ ooh, hard.
mednafen sapphire.cue
^^^ damn, how complicated.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/31/2011, 10:12 PMBut to the user they are the same. You put the game in and hit "RUN". The only configuration a user should have to perform is mapping the controller.
That's not the way Kega Fusion works either. Just like with Magic Engine, you select load cart or boot CD. The only thing more difficult is selecting a system card and needing a physical disc or mounted disc image; the former is necessary since different games need different syscards, and the latter was a conscious decision to support people with real games and not cater to freeloaders.
PS - It's not really the way a Duo works either; you choose load huey or boot cd when you insert the media.
Mac users have to compile there own version of Mednafen using MacPorts.
http://www.macports.org/
You can get the latest source of Mednafen on there official website.
http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/releases/
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/01/2011, 10:20 AMMac users have to compile there own version of Mednafen using MacPorts.
http://www.macports.org/
You can get the latest source of Mednafen on there official website.
http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/releases/
Yes...but WHHHYYYY!?!
QuoteYes...but WHHHYYYY!?!
Mednafen is just weird like that, deal with it.
If you don't want to bother with Mednafen then use Ootake in Wine.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 11/01/2011, 11:03 AMYes...but WHHHYYYY!?!
I suspect it's because she'd rather spend her time improving accuracy, fixing bugs, and adding new system support than doing something that most people won't care about.
Building from source is no big deal. it's pretty damn easy.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 11/01/2011, 02:43 PMBuilding from source is no big deal. it's pretty damn easy.
To someone who is a programmer, its easy.
To someone who's not, doing command line compiling of sourcecode is scary enough.
and then when it doesn't go as claimed in the readme, they're assaulted with a ton of errors.
We've all been there:
you type MAKE INSTALL and it goes
LOL 4928ERRORS, GO DIE.
etc. etc.
It's standard lolopensource procedure. Someone should just build the Mac version and distribute it to the 3-6 people who will use the Mac version.
I get what Zeta is saying. I prefer going *click click click!* and seeing results. To the end user, a game is a game. They go in the system, and it does the work for you. It would be really lame if you had to do something special to make your Sega CD or Duo boot CD as opposed to Cart/Card.
and Rover, you left out the part in Mednafen where you have to setup the bios/point to system cards, and all of that crap. It'd be easier for someone who's not really into text based configuration, if they could just pick the bios file or the sys card image from a familiar gui.
Ootake does that like a champ. The menu couldn't get any simpler really.
Kega Lazarus, or whatever its called now, does that too! So does WGens. Just pick the Sega CD bios, and then pick either "Load cartridge game" or "Load CD game" from the dropdown.
Mednafen involves making sure you put it in a good spot, and then telling the thing where it sits at, either by using the interactive crap on screen (which requires looking up the instructions online), or you can manually diddle around with the config file and find the parameter you want. This sucks, since the file is effin' huge.
So, I get where Zeta is coming from.
Why doesn't mednafen have a gui? Probably because it's cross platform. That is my guess at least.
I'd make a GUI for it but I have 2 reasons why I don't.
1) I hate making GUIs, it annoys me. I hate trying to lay out buttons and crap like I like them.
2) Because of 1, my GUIs are often about as user friendly as a NASA Space shuttle.
3) I have other crap to do that's more important, like all the game-stuff I am working on... (and school).
Someone else with alot free time might be able to help though.
Oh noes, a config file. The world is ending. :)
I've considered making a frontend for Mednafen, but there's PCejin which is basically Mednafen + GUI for the Windows users. However, it's also as dumb as a box of rocks.
Most people who download Mednafen eventually give up and and trash the files before they get it to work. This is just a fact. If that's the kind of software she wants to develop then...I hope it's fulfilling.
Most people who make something usually have some hope that people will actually be able to use it rather that just throw it away. If I make a web page and people can't read it, I'll try to fix it, rather then go tell the people they need to download some fringe browser they've never heard of. When I make music I don't encode it in APE format, etc.
Don't know what the problem is. There's a GUI with the Wii version of Mednafin. Works great! Thanks to the original poster!
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/01/2011, 10:20 AMMac users have to compile there own version of Mednafen using MacPorts.
http://www.macports.org/
You can get the latest source of Mednafen on there official website.
http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/releases/
I'm sorry, but that's..... laughable. Apparently the mednafen/Mac situation is even worse than I realized. Not only do you have to track down Darwin Ports/MacPorts (a non "fake" version), you have to worry about installing a compiler and a bunch of resources you'll never, ever use otherwise. It's like a goddamn scavenger hunt, and then you still have the task of trying to compile the thing.
That's great the developer provides the source code and all, but 90% of the people interested in using mednafen are not programmers or developers themselves. We don't have the interest/time/patience to fuck around with this sort of thing.
Arkhan is right-- this might be a big no brainer for someone who deals with compilers on a daily basis, but for the rest of us, it's a gigantic pain in the ass and, in almost all cases, an insurmountable roadblock. This is coming from someone who used to do some C++ programming and has dealt with a compiler or two in his time.
I know, I know, you get what you pay for and beggars can't be choosers and all that but it just doesn't make sense to me. Does the Wii version come precompiled or are Wii users expected to compile their own copy?
I blame two things:
1. Whoever designed the Mac system was a retard and didn't include gcc. All intelligent Unix-based systems include gcc. It's just how shit is done.
2. Stupid and/or lazy userbase that has been coddled by aforementioned retard who insists that they don't even need more than one mouse button. Two buttons is hard, man.
By the way... I mean no offense to anyone on this forum. Every system has its fair share of stupidity in its userbase. I'm not pointing at anyone in particular here, just at the overall attitude presented by the vast swarms of clueless rookies who change their desktop wallpaper and think that they're suddenly computer experts.
You need new Mac jokes. They've shipped with multi-button mice for...I think about 7 years now. Of course most Macs sold are notebooks with multi-touch trackpads, which is kind of like a 10,000 button mouse (see: Gestures).
They also have color displays as standard now, in case you hadn't heard about that either.
I have no fucking idea what a "GCC" is. I know a lot of smart people and chances are that none of them do either. Despite this I have downloaded litterally hundreds of Mac programs, only one or two needed to be compiled. All sorts of freeware, open source, multiplatform, etc stuff, from tiny one man shows to huge global projects, Tinygrab, Handbrake, VLC, Firefox, Open Office, MAME, SNES9x, TGEmu, you name it. All of them just shipped as .apps files that just...ran. These developers wanted their shit to actually get used.
gcc is the standard compiler collection for all of Unix. And I actually don't give a damn about your mouse, nor do I need "new Mac jokes". Mac users just need to be less ignorant.
Are you actually under the impression that if the Windows version of Mednafen needed to be compiled for each individual user than there would be a greater percentage of those users that could actually pull it off? If so, you are seriously delusional.
I know how to completely strip and rebuild a car down to its primary components. I even built and programed the ECU that runs my Solo car/daily driver. I spend all day at work minutely tuning massive tables to minimize diesel exhaust emissions, running tests and measurements of prototype parts, populating fuel and timing maps. Many of my friends are similarly capable.
Do I expect the person who eventually buys the cars I help develop to understand any of that shit? Of course not. Its my job, and my hobby, not theirs. They need to be carpenters and doctors and teachers and astronauts and whatever. I don't know how the fuck they do whatever it is they do.
You and your buddies are hella L337 uber programmers and power users. I'm just a user. %99.9999 of the world are just users. I don't know ding dong dick about this shit and there isn't room in my brain or time in my day to learn it. It has nothing to do with being lazy, stupid, or spoiled.
I'm not a dumb-ass for not knowing how to get Mednafen to run any more than you are a dumbass for not knowing how to adjust the timing on a Mazda 323 GTR. You do however kind of sound like a dumbass when you criticize Macs for having less buttons than they actually do. Always know your enemy, especially in stupid fights you pick for no reason.
ALL THAT ASIDE:
I actually don't fault so much the fact that it needs to be compiled. I understand there are technical reasons for that even if I don't really understand what those reasons are. It not having a GUI though is just the programmer being needlessly recalcitrant. There is no excuse for that. I refuse to believe that every spare second of Mednafen development is spent on accuracy, optimization, and compatibility. I know enough to understand that progress in those areas doesn't have a direct relationship to time. That is, you can't necessarily spend x amount of time and get x amount of improvement. Moving ahead in those departments requires strategy, epiphany, collaboration, etc. A GUI could be written in less than an hour when nothing else is going on. It doesn't have one because the developer doesn't want it to have one, and I have no doubt that the pompous condescending gits that are its biggest fans feel entirely validated by being a member of a puny niche that can actually pull it off.
Does it emulate PCFX good? :)
SoZ dude, I'm trolling. Can't you tell? :)
I've had the GUI conversation with Ryphecha before. As for the source code bit... I have no idea why it's not compiled ahead of time.
Duo_R: Mednafen's PC-FX emulation is as good as it gets. There are no other emulators that can touch it. Then again, there are barely any PC-FX emulators to begin with.
I'll add a GUI if SignOfZeta builds me a flying car. I mean, it should be simple, you just bolt on wings, so it shouldn't take more than an hour, right?
Again, Mednafen works fucking great! You just load it on your SD card and play it. That's all you do if you have your Wii enabled for Homebrew. It works like any other emulator. Load game, play game, enjoy game. The youtube link shows the wiimednafen interface right from the get go. This has nothing to do with the Win/Mac versions. There's no command line to worry about cause it's on a Wii, and not a PC. Just try it and have fun. The emulation for PC-Engine is great! The youtube video shows the PC-FX emulation. It looks really good, however I do think I saw a bit of frameskip going on. It could also just be the youtube clip. I'll have to test Zeroigar later after work.
Seriously, I made this thread for the Wii port.
The Wii port is so easy a monkey could use it, there's no compiling, no command prompt, nothing! As geise said, you just put the game on your SD card and play and it's even on your TV, just like the original TG16 and, like all Wii emulators, it has support for the classic controller (Which is fantastic).
If you own a Wii then hack it and play this port, it's dirt simple.
Quote from: geise on 11/02/2011, 08:40 AMThe youtube video shows the PC-FX emulation. It looks really good, however I do think I saw a bit of frameskip going on. It could also just be the youtube clip. I'll have to test Zeroigar later after work.
PC-FX emulation works kind of slow on at the moment but Raz0red plans to improve it in later releases.
Quote from: Mednafen on 11/02/2011, 06:46 AMI'll add a GUI if SignOfZeta builds me a flying car. I mean, it should be simple, you just bolt on wings, so it shouldn't take more than an hour, right?
You actually consider a GUI, which virtually every program but yours has, to be analogous to a flying car, which more or less doesn't exist?
Jesus, now I see what I'm up against here.
There are GUI front ends for Mednafen and there are other emulators if this one isn't to your tastes, so what's the big deal?
Not for the Mac though... there's hardly anything for the Mac because most coders can't stand that trash. :)
I think everyone that owns a Wii needs to try Mednafen cause it fucking rocks! Plus it's balls easy to get running.
Quote from: OldRover on 11/02/2011, 01:44 PMNot for the Mac though... there's hardly anything for the Mac because most coders can't stand that trash. :)
Since my Mac has has both OSX and Windows 7 on it I have access to all emus for both platforms. I'd just rather not have to reboot.
Rover, Macs come with GCC, lol.
At least, mine did.
and yeah the topic isn't GUIs for Windows (which exist, but I don't bother with since I myself don't need it. I'm ok with the commandlining.). It's for Mac users. Mac users are always fucked over. Though really, anything done with GTK should be doable on a Mac, seeing as a Mac is Unix and all.
I know WinVice had a GTK interface on Mac.
I sure as hell hope the Mednafen for Wii has a GUI, otherwise how would you even use it lol.
Quote from: guest on 11/02/2011, 06:17 PMI sure as hell hope the Mednafen for Wii has a GUI, otherwise how would you even use it lol.
Dude, its been stated several times that it does, watch the video I linked to in the topic post.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/02/2011, 06:22 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 11/02/2011, 06:17 PMI sure as hell hope the Mednafen for Wii has a GUI, otherwise how would you even use it lol.
Dude, its been stated several times that it does, watch the video I linked to in the topic post.
I know, lol. that was me basically saying "yeah it had better"
It would be pretty awesome typing out commands with the Wiimote.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 11/02/2011, 06:57 PMIt would be pretty awesome typing out commands with the Wiimote.
You're in luck! Use DOSBox Wii and all you're dreams will come true.
Zeta, film yourself doing that. It'll be hilarious I bet.
I expect many people's experience with Mednafen will be like mine.
1. Download File
2. Unzip file
3. Click exe
4. Nothing happens so go back to using Magic Engine
Magic Engine blows compared to Mednafen.
Quote from: guest on 11/06/2011, 03:28 PMI expect many people's experience with Mednafen will be like mine.
1. Download File
2. Unzip file
3. Click exe
4. Nothing happens so go back to using Magic Engine
Dude, we get it!
"Mednafen
hard man, why can't be simple and pretty like magic engine and Ootake?"
Come on guys! Has anyone besides geise even tried the Wii port? You know, the actual topic of this thread!
Im kind of curious why its even worth playing it on the wii? just curious really.
Because it easily tramples all over the "official" emulator on the Wii.
Quote from: guest on 11/07/2011, 11:18 AMIm kind of curious why its even worth playing it on the wii? just curious really.
Think about it for a second, it's a TG16/CD emulator that's cable of emulating every TG16/CD game (at least I believe it can) and it's on your TV. Plus your games can be loaded from an external hard drive, SMB and of course an SD card up to 36gigs. You can also use any control scheme the Wii has to offer, which means classic controller support which is arguably the best controller ever for TG16/CD games. (Also just the wii mote works great!)
Yeah, plus it has Super Grafx emulation as well. I used Mednafen quite a bit this weekend. I played Coryoon for 2 hours straight!
I guess since I have all the hardware, I don't see the point personally.
and I can hook my laptop up to my TV and use that... RGB mode!
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/07/2011, 12:04 PM... classic controller support which is arguably the best controller ever for TG16/CD games.
No turbob switches makes it arguably a piece of poo compared to original hardware.
But don't the top two buttons operate as Turbo buttons? I believe they do.
EDIT: Yeah, according to this:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/tg16/588909-bonks-adventure/answers?qid=271689
I thought I remembered turbo spinning with Bonk.
Quote from: guest on 11/07/2011, 01:52 PMBut don't the top two buttons operate as Turbo buttons? I believe they do.
But can you toggle on the fly between various levels of Turbob, or is it like Magic Engine where it's on/off and you can set the rate somewhere in the configuration stuff?
I still don't understand RGB for low res classic games. I like the way the scanlines filter the pixels on a SDTV. Mednafen feels more like real hardware when used through the Wii and on a SDTV. Laptops tend to mess with the resolution when doing TV-Out, so it's outputting differently than real hardware would. It's way closer on the Wii. Not sure if Mednafen is outputting the actual resolution of the turbo/pc-e games, but it seems very close. If I was gonna run RGB I might as well just emulate on a PC.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 11/07/2011, 01:58 PMQuote from: guest on 11/07/2011, 01:52 PMBut don't the top two buttons operate as Turbo buttons? I believe they do.
But can you toggle on the fly between various levels of Turbob, or is it like Magic Engine where it's on/off and you can set the rate somewhere in the configuration stuff?
The A and B buttons operate as "I II: Turbo Off". The X and Y buttons operate as "I II: Turbo On." There's no middle turbo option, which is okay by me because I never use that one.
QuoteI guess since I have all the hardware, I don't see the point personally.
This is called "I don't have to do it so I don't get why anyone else does" :) hehe
QuoteBut can you toggle on the fly between various levels of Turbob,
I know you can assign turbo buttons, don't know if you can toggle between various levels of Turbo. Not that big a deal in my opinion but if it can't the creator might add support for that in later releases (it's only V0.0 the initial release)
Quote from: geise on 11/07/2011, 02:02 PMNot sure if Mednafen is outputting the actual resolution of the turbo/pc-e games
It's not, but Raz0red has added support for the original resolution (240p) in the latest revision, you can compile the latest source or wait for the next release.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 11/07/2011, 02:56 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 11/07/2011, 01:02 PMI guess since I have all the hardware, I don't see the point personally.
This is called "I don't have to do it so I don't get why anyone else does" :) hehe
pretty much everyone should have a duo. Even people who don't play video games.
But in the emulator realm, I just laptop+ootake+TV, and take it from there.
Maybe we should just start giving out free Duos... actually, that would be awesome.
Quote from: geise on 11/07/2011, 02:02 PMI still don't understand RGB for low res classic games. I like the way the scanlines filter the pixels on a SDTV. Mednafen feels more like real hardware when used through the Wii and on a SDTV. Laptops tend to mess with the resolution when doing TV-Out, so it's outputting differently than real hardware would. It's way closer on the Wii. Not sure if Mednafen is outputting the actual resolution of the turbo/pc-e games, but it seems very close. If I was gonna run RGB I might as well just emulate on a PC.
RGB and scan lines are not mutually exclusive.
Id rather use a PS2 controller plugged into a PC, than have to deal with that crappy classic controller.
That things like holding a frigging fish. Its all slippery. Theres nowhere to grip it. Its all smooth.
You have the urge to throw it in a lake.
Etc.
QuoteThat things like holding a frigging fish. Its all slippery. Theres nowhere to grip it. Its all smooth.
Just stop marinating your hands in butter or use the classic controller PRO, it just like the ps2's controller.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/08/2011, 08:59 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 11/08/2011, 08:47 AMThat things like holding a frigging fish. Its all slippery. Theres nowhere to grip it. Its all smooth.
Just stop marinating your hands in butter or use the classic controller PRO, it just like the ps2's controller.
its not butter. Its sweat, from playing games for hours at a time.
im not buying any controllers for the Wii with Pro in the title, because that's an oxymoron.
I own everything on the Virtual Console anyways.
You own Coryoon and Magical Chase on VC?
Quote from: guest on 11/08/2011, 10:14 AMim not buying any controllers for the Wii with Pro in the title, because that's an oxymoron.
Okay...so its a controller that literally fixes everything you hate about the classic controller and you don't want to buy it because it has the word "pro" in it?
Quote from: geise on 11/08/2011, 10:22 AMYou own Coryoon and Magical Chase on VC?
No I own real ones. I did some dumb things with a credit card during my freshmanish year of college. Granted its paid off now... ;)
Thankfully it was right before prices went realllllllllllllllllllly derp.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/08/2011, 11:53 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 11/08/2011, 10:14 AMim not buying any controllers for the Wii with Pro in the title, because that's an oxymoron.
Okay...so its a controller that literally fixes everything you hate about the classic controller and you don't want to buy it because it has the word "pro" in it?
and no, its more because it's a waste of money and still not very comfortable. It is like holding a fish with tumors, as opposed to a fish. Nintendo stopped being good with controllers after the SNES.
The reason I like the classic controller is because it feels just like the SNES controller, but whatever you don't have to use it if you don't want to.
I personally love the classic controller. I never understood why they needed to make the pro. Everyone is like "oh, it's great cause it's like the psx controller." I never was big on the psx controller. When I first bought the classic controller it just seemed perfect. It's a great "all in one" controller for the VC and Wii game stuff. Using the classic controller with Mednafen is awesome! Sometimes I even use the regular Wiimote with VC Turbo games. Even that feels fine. Almost like a NES pad. Like Ark I'd mostly just use the real deal, but Mednafen is an amazing "alternative" It is nice to see the Turbo getting some love on the Wii homebrew front. It has been needed, that's for sure.
To each their own, I suppose, but I still feel that Nintendo are the best at designing ergonomic controllers. I've never tried the "Pro", but I love the Classic Controller. Also, the Wii Remote held on its side is a nice old-school controller.
The placement of the analog sticks on the PlayStation controllers is awkward to me (Xbox figured that out), and the R2 and L2 buttons are completely asinine. The designers at Sony must have never seen a trigger before.
I always use a Playstation-style controller when I'm not on my Duo or Saturn. It's the most comfortable controller for me. Microsoft's controllers are too big and shit's always out of place, and I have never used a Nintendo controller I was really happy with... no, not even the SNES pad. Some third-party controllers work well, but they usually break too easy.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/08/2011, 12:04 PMThe reason I like the classic controller is because it feels just like the SNES controller, but whatever you don't have to use it if you don't want to.
It feels nothing like the SNES controller to me. It feels like a goony knockoff SNES controller.
Quote from: guest on 11/08/2011, 01:03 PMQuote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/08/2011, 12:04 PMThe reason I like the classic controller is because it feels just like the SNES controller, but whatever you don't have to use it if you don't want to.
It feels nothing like the SNES controller to me. It feels like a goony knockoff SNES controller.
For VC I mainly use the GB Player Controller. Its virtually identical to a SNES pad except for the A button being huge.
Oh, that thing! Is that the Hori controller? I have that and it's pretty awesome.
The Hori controller is stupidly expensive online, I would never pay that much for a controller (around $150!). Aside from the price it definitely looks like I nice controller.
Holy shit, really? Glad I bought it when it first came out!
I bought mine on sale for $15 or something like that.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 11/07/2011, 12:04 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 11/07/2011, 11:18 AMIm kind of curious why its even worth playing it on the wii? just curious really.
Think about it for a second, it's a TG16/CD emulator that's cable of emulating every TG16/CD game (at least I believe it can) and it's on your TV. Plus your games can be loaded from an external hard drive, SMB and of course an SD card up to 36gigs. You can also use any control scheme the Wii has to offer, which means classic controller support which is arguably the best controller ever for TG16/CD games. (Also just the wii mote works great!)
Sounds like my phone. :wink:
I do think that this is very cool though. :)
Quote from: Burnt Lasagnawhich means classic controller support which is arguably the best controller ever for TG16/CD games.
You sir, are high as a kite.
http://www.multimods.com/NECcont.htmlAve. 3 pad is the greatest controller *ever*
For any system.
Quote from: guest on 12/06/2011, 05:43 PMSounds like my phone. :wink:
Uh, no. It's nothing like your phone.
Quote from: guestAve. 3 pad is the greatest controller *ever*
For any system.
Yeah, I would love to play any game that has come out in the past decade on that piece of balsa wood :dance:
All trolling aside, I never liked that particular button layout (where all three/six buttons are in a straight line). That's one of the reasons why I was never a big fan of the genesis controller.
I think maybe you have never used an Ave 3 then, if you are calling it a piece of balsa wood.
Try playing Forgotten Worlds with the buttons in a different formation.
You won't find d-pads nicer than the Ave. pads, typically.
and, I hope you aren't saying *I* am trolling.
I'm not the one calling Ave. 3 a piece of balsa wood.
and, why can't it be like BT's phone? You know there are phones that can hook up to TVs, play games, and all of that?
Quote from: guest on 12/07/2011, 10:16 AMI think maybe you have never used an Ave 3 then, if you are calling it a piece of balsa wood.
Okay yeah, I have never used the Ave 3 and probably never will. I don't own an original TG16 (yeah, shoot me)
Quote from: guest on 12/07/2011, 10:16 AMand, I hope you aren't saying *I* am trolling.
No, I was saying *I* was trolling.
Quote from: Burnt LasagnaUh, no. It's nothing like your phone.
The PCE emulator for my phone, which is likely ported from Mednafen or Ootake, has seemingly perfect emulation, supports roms and CD games, supports Wii remotes, and my phone has 16GB internal memory and takes micro sd cards up to 32 GB and hooks up to TVs via analog connections or (unlike the Wii) hdmi.
Granted my phone is completely portable and has touch screen controls and other features that a Wii doesn't, but it sounds like the emulator does everything the WiiMednafen does. Which doesn't take anything away from any Wii emulators.
But it is pretty cool to be able to whip out my phone at a friend's house and play Turbo/PCE games with his Wii remotes, without having to setup the Wii.
A touch screen phone that plays PCE games can never be more than a party trick. It's a fucking TOUCH SCREEN. I'd say Wii Mednafen has a serious leg up on your phone since you can actually play games on it for real. Your phone might as well be running video of games.
The Aveneue 3 is so not the best pad ever. It's really good though, and almost identical to the OEM pad so I don't understand anyone complaining about it.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 12/07/2011, 11:27 AMA touch screen phone that plays PCE games can never be more than a party trick. It's a fucking TOUCH SCREEN. I'd say Wii Mednafen has a serious leg up on your phone since you can actually play games on it for real. Your phone might as well be running video of games.
I think you missed the part where Black Tiger said it supports the use of Wii controllers.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 12/07/2011, 11:39 AMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 12/07/2011, 11:27 AMA touch screen phone that plays PCE games can never be more than a party trick. It's a fucking TOUCH SCREEN. I'd say Wii Mednafen has a serious leg up on your phone since you can actually play games on it for real. Your phone might as well be running video of games.
I think you missed the part where Black Tiger said it supports the use of Wii controllers.
BLUE TOOF!
Quote from: guestbut it sounds like the emulator does everything the WiiMednafen does. Which doesn't take anything away from any Wii emulators.
Can your phone out put onto the TV in 240p?
Quote from: guestTVs via analog connections or (unlike the Wii) hdmi.
Why would you need HDMI for PCE games?
Quote from: NecroPhile on 12/07/2011, 11:39 AMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 12/07/2011, 11:27 AMA touch screen phone that plays PCE games can never be more than a party trick. It's a fucking TOUCH SCREEN. I'd say Wii Mednafen has a serious leg up on your phone since you can actually play games on it for real. Your phone might as well be running video of games.
I think you missed the part where Black Tiger said it supports the use of Wii controllers.
I think he also missed the TV display part. :P
I didn't expect more than a touch screen control portable emulator to play PCE RPGs on the go. I was very surprised by the Wii remote support and that was the first time I thought that the TV out feature would be of any real use. :)
My android phone has already been replaced by a newer version, but mine still runs Playstation games seemingly full speed. Although I won't make use of it, it's basically an all in one console that fits in your pocket, other than the Wii remote.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/07/2011, 11:46 AMWhy would you need HDMI for PCE games?
I think he is just pointing out that a frigging phone has better display capabilities than the Wii, overall.
Quote from: guestI think he is just pointing out that a frigging phone has better display capabilities than the Wii, overall.
So what. HDMI is still a complete over kill for PCE and would probably destroy the image.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/07/2011, 11:52 AMQuote from: Psycho ArkhanI think he is just pointing out that a frigging phone has better display capabilities than the Wii, overall.
So what. HDMI is still a complete over kill for PCE and would probably destroy the image.
Using a Wii with goony wannabe controllers in a money related emulated environment is overkill for the PCE.
What's your beef with the Wii anyways?
Would you rather use your phone to emulate PCE games, even though you would be using the Wii controls anyways and would be outputted on your TV like crap? (Since the Wii has out of date display capabilities it can output in the PCE's native resolution)
I'd rather play my PCE on my TV w/ a flashcard, or CD-Rs of games if I don't own them yet.
OR, a PC attached to a TV.
the Wii is fine for playing the piddly handful of games on it that didn't suck. They are few and far between.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/07/2011, 12:45 PMWhat's your beef with the Wii anyways?
Would you rather use your phone to emulate PCE games, even though you would be using the Wii controls anyways and would be outputted on your TV like crap? (Since the Wii has out of date display capabilities it can output in the PCE's native resolution)
What's your beef with using a phone? Both the Wii and Android emulators have their pluses: the Wii
might output better video (you don't know what his phone is putting out), but the Android is portable and can be played on the go (albeit with sucky controls).
Quote from: guest on 12/07/2011, 11:39 AMI think you missed the part where CrackTiger said it supports the use of Wii controllers.
Ah yes, I did. That would make all the difference.
I'm pretty sure of one thing though. My Wii will probably still be alive and kicking after that phone has been recycled. Of course I'm sure every phone he owns (and recycles) after that will also be able to do this, but still...I like not throwing shit away.
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People just fucking hate the Wii. I don't quite understand it myself, but its basically the most hated system ever, and if you are any kind of "mature" or "hard core" gamer you are required to hate it and brag about how long its been since you turned yours on, or how many games you still have in the shrink wrap, or else you are a GAY WAD and your mature adult gamer card gets revoked. As for why Arkhan hates it...that's just what it does. He hates a system that has Mario Galaxy and then sticks up for total shit like China Warrior and Energy. "Backward" would probably be a good word for it. To some, the politics of gaming are more entertaining that actual gaming.
Arkhan's basic stand on this particular issue makes mostly good sense to me though. A Duo with a CDR in it beats all manor of emulation unless you specifically want to grab video, run cheats, etc. As for just playing the games, real hardware is best. Flash Cards basically suck ass though so for the occasional HuCard emulation might be best, or you could just pay for them.
HDMI, in theory, shouldn't destroy the PCE's video...if done well. This is not a valid concern.
Quote from: guest on 12/07/2011, 01:10 PMOR, a PC attached to a TV.
I said it once and I will say it again.
Using the Wii is one of the more authentic emulation experiences. Since it has the ability to output in the TG16/PCE's native resolution (240p) and has variety of different controller options. You probably can even find a third part convertor to play with the original controller, thanks to the VC.
This is why I like WiiMednafen as oppose to other emulators, even if you do have the option to output it onto your TV.
Quote from: guest on 12/07/2011, 01:23 PMWhat's your beef with using a phone?
Nothing really, I'm sure his phone is fine. I'm just saying his phone does not do all the same things as WiiMednafen.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 12/07/2011, 01:25 PMPeople just fucking hate the Wii. I don't quite understand it myself, but its basically the most hated system ever, and if you are any kind of "mature" or "hard core" gamer you are required to hate it and brag about how long its been since you turned yours on, or how many games you still have in the shrink wrap, or else you are a GAY WAD and your mature adult gamer card gets revoked. As for why Arkhan hates it...that's just what it does. He hates a system that has Mario Galaxy and then sticks up for total shit like China Warrior and Energy. "Backward" would probably be a good word for it. To some, the politics of gaming are more entertaining that actual gaming.
I was an early (pre launch) Wii supporter/defender. I got it on launch day expecting their lies and filth to be true.
What I was treated to was a subpar gimmick filled gaming experience with really imprecise controls and near dated visuals that made me wonder "why?". They took everything I expected out of the Wii and smashed it into the ground. I also got treated to NiGHTS: Travesty of Dreams or whatever, which is the single most disappointing thing in the history of video games.
It wasn't until 1-2 years ago that the Wii started getting good games in rapid quantity. You can't fault people for hating a system that took THAT FRIGGING LONG to get a substantial amount of titles that weren't gimmicks, or total crap. The thing sat dormant on my shelf for ages. I blew money on TONS of games hoping they would be great, or at least decent. All I got was wasted money, so I stopped buying games and left the thing sitting. I only turned it on to play the 6 gamecube games that came out in that systems lifespan that weren't total crap.
I blame the motion controls and their over emphasis for so long. Metroid prime would have performed better with normal controls.
Most games, the controls feel tacked on, so then you're just holding a really lame controller that's tethered together and ultimately uncomfortable to hold after too long.
Then there are games like Red Steel where the controls just suck.
So, the difference with sticking up for CW and Energy is this:
they are *games*, not a console. CW was the FIRST game for PCE. It did amazing things to the world of gaming and noone seems to notice or care. The sprites are huge. The music is good. The controls are in fact solid and responsive. The game itself is a matter of reflexes and memorization. It's the perfect quarter eating skill-game. Next are we going to say Gladiator sucks?
Energy is like 5$ and is a quick throw in game to screw around with on a beautiful system that doesn't disappoint. Noone waited and believed the hype for either of those only to be let down beyond all belief for years.
The first two Wii games I got were pretty good. Zelda had tacked on motion controls and was too easy, but it wasn't a total let down. It still sucks compared to LttP or Links Awakening..
and then Trauma Center was a port of a DS game, so it wasn't even new. After that, it was a steady stream of complete trash for a long time.
It has nothing to do with "hurhrhrr mature gamer" or whatever for me. I hate those people too. I hate 95% of the gaming world to be honest. I don't care what other gamers think of me, because I think they're all stupid. I love the PC-FX, enjoy the Playdia , and the Loopy. These are things "mature" gamers call me a gaywad for anyways since they got pink all over the place.
IGN, G4, Gamespot, and all that crap. It's all retarded and breeds failures. Right now their "best game of 2011" battle is a bunch of overhyped graphic centered games that mostly suck, and you don't see much in terms of Japanese games, because G4 is a bunch of idiots with no braincells. HURHRUHR SKYRIM AND ASSAIMS CREED. YEAH!1!1 GAMEAR SCOR!
I hate the wii for more valid reasons stemming from disappointment and wasted money.
If I brushed the thing off until like 2 years ago and got the thing when tons of good games came out, and all the mediocre games dropped to <=20$, I wouldn't be as anti-wii as I am.
At this point though, I can tolerate the Wii. Sonic Colors, the two recent Kirby games, fragile dreams, and lost in shadow are games worth having. Klonoa turned out OK too. Muramasa is fun.
To me this is just...bankrupt. Sure, we all have to make judgements about the world around us based on personal experience, but judging the quality of the Wii and Energy by hype and the timing of your purchase is just crap.
You realize Energy was a full price game, right? You realize it cost the same as Super Star Solider and PC Genjin 2, right? But since you bought it recently for $5 its something so great it deserves you starting a special thread to talk about how bad it isn't? Energy sucks ass. It cost sixty fucking dollars and its easily one of the top five worst PCE games...but that's just not all that bad? How bad does a game have to be before you consider it bad? Does it have to literally not run, or maybe somehow melt your system? If you actually enjoy this sort of garbage then I actually envy you, I really do, but still...there has to be some kind of measure what is quality in my life. I can't eat at McDonalds every day, drive Chrysler products, and live in a cardboard box. I'm not going to enjoy Energy, neither is anyone else (except those dudes with neck beards and really long skateboards who just want to laugh at it).
I bought my Wii less than two years ago. As soon as I bought it there was plenty to play on it. Do I live in a parallel universe from you where the Wii is good?
When the PSP came out it was an overpriced, over-featured, battery hogging piece of crap with ridiculous load times. I didn't buy one. I bought a series 2000 when those came out years later and learned to copy all the games onto my Memory Stick. Battery life is almost as good as my DSi, the software selection is fantastic, and there are virtually zero load times. To me, its a good system because it became a good system, but to some idiot who bought it day one and hasn't touched it in 5 years its a piece of crap? This makes no sense.
Haha this whole thread is funny. It's all about the wiimednafen and being able to play pc-engine games in an "almost close as you can get to real hardware" on your wii. It's a good experience. Try it. If you don't like it great! If you love it, great! I wonder how many people in here have even tried this yet? If they haven't then why complain about it? It's a great alternative. I own a US Duo and I still use WiiMednafen. It has Super Grafx support as well. I'm surely never going to buy a Super Grafx for the few "but good" games it has. I would personally rather just use WiiMedafen if I want to play it on a standard TV. I'm not saying it's a better experience, just it's a good alternative for me.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 12/08/2011, 05:10 AMjudging the quality of the Wii and Energy by hype and the timing of your purchase is just crap.
No it's not. Clearly, you missed the point.
QuoteYou realize Energy was a full price game, right? You realize it cost the same as Super Star Solider and PC Genjin 2, right? But since you bought it recently for $5 its something so great it deserves you starting a special thread to talk about how bad it isn't? Energy sucks ass. It cost sixty fucking dollars and its easily one of the top five worst PCE games...but that's just not all that bad? How bad does a game have to be before you consider it bad? Does it have to literally not run, or maybe somehow melt your system? If you actually enjoy this sort of garbage then I actually envy you, I really do, but still...there has to be some kind of measure what is quality in my life. I can't eat at McDonalds every day, drive Chrysler products, and live in a cardboard box.
For starts, it didn't cost 60$. 5200 yen (according to both Magweasel, and the price sticker on my copy) in 1989 was like < 40$. Don't price it based off the fact that our dollar is worthless in 2011.
The difference, as I said, is that Energy is just a GAME. It's not an entire system. You can buy it, play it, realize you hate it, and then move onto a different game, especially in 1989 on the PC Engine. By then, you have plenty of frikkin options, and the system itself is not failing to deliver. Trade it in, resell it to someone, hold onto it for fun. What do you do when the Wii games all suck and you've got nothing to play on your overhyped OMG MOTION CONTORLS?!/! system that failed to deliver any of the promised immersion and excitement? You can trade it in, but then what? You're out an entire SYSTEM. Not just one game. Then you hock the thing, and it suddenly gets better and you're like "CMON. WTF."
Buying and hating a game is alot different than buying and hating an entire video game console when it didn't get anything worth a damn until the price was 100$ for one. Why didn't they just wait and release the Wii when all the good stuff was ready to be released?
That's grounds for hating a system. 250$ to wait like 4 years to actually enjoy the system? That's dumb. Shame on the Wii and on Nintendo for screwing things up. They botched Prime 3 so bad that Other M had to come pick up the slack.
The wii on it's own is fine. The wii w/ its library up until early to mid 2010, was pretty awful. I was beyond excited for the Wii until I got it and was underwhelmed and extremely disappointed in the quality of games on it. I even got banned from a forum for defending the Wii to the point that I was basically telling the admin of the forum and all of his buddies off, in an un-nice a way as possible. Man those were fun times. That was more fun than actually playing the launch Wii.
I would honestly play Energy and China Warrior nonstop for a week straight than any game released in the first 3ish years of the things lifespan. I think Muramasa was the first game that made me really enjoy owning a Wii for more than an hour. Before that you had Umbrella Chronicles, but that was only great for a playthrough and then it was a second rate HOTD. Who needs that when you've got a Dreamcast and light guns, AND HOTD2. The Wii relaunch ones weren't very great since the light gun attachments are all pretty awful.
QuoteI'm not going to enjoy Energy, neither is anyone else (except those dudes with neck beards and really long skateboards who just want to laugh at it).
People in the thread beg to differ. http://magweasel.com/2010/02/26/i-love-the-pc-engine-energy/ << \o/ He dogs on the game but then points out that it's not so bad and provides comic relief. It's the kind of game someone who likes Hydlide would enjoy. We're a special kind of gamer.
QuoteI bought my Wii less than two years ago. As soon as I bought it there was plenty to play on it. Do I live in a parallel universe from you where the Wii is good?
You bought it less than 2 years ago. I bought it the day it came out. When I got it there was nothing to play on it after I beat the mediocre Zelda game. There was nothing GOOD to play on it for awhile. It sat there, taunting me going "yeah you stood in line and blew 250$ on me. How's it feel!? I won't be good until I only cost 100$ SUCKER". Everything that released for awhile was total garbage. Brawl, NiGHTs, Red Steel, it was just a train wreck. Motion control gimmicks.
I think you've missed the part where I mention that it *finally* has good games to play, as of games like Muramasa, Fragile Dreams, Kirby Epic yarn, etc.
QuoteWhen the PSP came out it was an overpriced, over-featured, battery hogging piece of crap with ridiculous load times. I didn't buy one. I bought a series 2000 when those came out years later and learned to copy all the games onto my Memory Stick. Battery life is almost as good as my DSi, the software selection is fantastic, and there are virtually zero load times. To me, its a good system because it became a good system, but to some idiot who bought it day one and hasn't touched it in 5 years its a piece of crap? This makes no sense.
*shrug*. When it came out, it had a decent library (that is the key to a system. See: the 3DS), doubled as a portable media player, and could be loaded with emulators to take on the go. That sure beats the Wii's launch status of 2 decent games, one of which was a DS remake. The PSP launch lineup was pretty awesome.
Wait...what were we talking about again? :-#
Drugs.
Is that what you sell to buy games like Energy? :D
No, I could find spare change to buy games like Energy. it rules.
Hydlide for NES cost me 52 cents at Funcoland.
I play Hydlide for free on WiiMedafen cause I don't have change in my couch. :(
Quote from: geise on 12/08/2011, 09:22 AMI play Hydlide for free on WiiMedafen cause I don't have change in my couch. :(
That sucks. You should try the MSX2 disk version. The graphics is all purdy like.
Arkhan, cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.
I also bought a Wii at launch and was disappointed by the large amount of garbage on the system until just recently. I had to bite the bullet on the fact that I wasted $150 buying the system at launch, but whatever, It's just a $150 I could of done allot worse.
I now think the Wii is great system and has more exclusive games then the PS3 or Xbox360. Since those systems usually share all the same games with each other.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/08/2011, 10:07 AMArkhan, cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.
I'll build it out of balsa wood, just for you.
Though, I don't have to get over anything. I can hate the 3DS and Wii launch status until the day I die, and you can't do dick about it except go HURHRHURHRR CRY ME A RIVER AND BUILD A BRIDGE. I can't help it I don't roll over and take it in the ass when things suck.
I'm loud, I don't like anything usually, deal with it.
I dunno about you but I'm still pissed the launch title was basically a dumb tech demo. Where's a real pack in/launch game? Nintendo hasn't done so hot with that one.
QuoteI also bought a Wii at launch and was disappointed by the lardge amount of garbage on the system until just recently. I had to bite the bullet on the fact that I wasted $150 buying the system at launch, but whatever, It's just a $150 I could of done allot worse.
You sure you got it at launch for 150$? Everyone else paid 250$. For 250$ you could get a lot of other things.
what's lardge anyways? Is it like, a barge made out of lard or something?
QuoteI now think the Wii is great system and has more exclusive games then the PS3 or Xbox360. Since those systems usually share all the same games with each other.
Me too. You must have missed me saying it finally has games worth owning a Wii to play. That's what happens when you're too busy trying to "hurhurhr owned" someone.
though, exclusive doesn't always mean good, anyway. The Wii would've been better if it was <=150$ at launch and had half the good games it has now.
and the classic controller still blows.
The 1st party WiiZapper is a piece of demented plastic.
Quote from: guestI'll build it out of balsa wood, just for you.
Thank you so much! :D
Quote from: guestYou sure you got it at launch for 150$? Everyone else paid 250$. For 250$ you could get a lot of other things.
I did pay $250. I'm saying I wasted $150 because of the $150 price cut to $100, which is when I should of bought it.
EDIT: wait a minuet! The Wii isn't a $100 it's $150. I guess I wasted $100 then.
Quote from: guestwhat's lardge anyways? Is it like, a barge made out of lard or something?
It's a typo. I meant to say large.
You're ok with wasting 150$? I'm not.
150$ is a lot of PCE games.
Quote from: guest on 12/08/2011, 10:58 AM150$ is a lot of PCE games.
No game is worth $150, in my eye's. didn't see the lot part, never mind.
Quote from: guest on 12/08/2011, 10:58 AMYou're ok with wasting 150$? I'm not.
No, but I can get over it after 5 years.
Steel Battalion was worth 150$.
I'm glad I bought a wii at launch. It enabled me to easily allow homebrew on my wii. My Wii used more for homebrew now than actual wii stuff. There's quite few really good games I still have yet to play on the Wii though. I kinda feel all the systems as of late have more shit than good games. I sure as hell don't complain about it. Personally I love the classic controller. It's a really well made controller for me. The way it fits my hands is perfect. It makes classic gaming on the Wii a joy to play.
Arkhan sometimes you seem like you just hate to well...hate. There are others that are allowed to feel differently about something. I sure don't have a problem with it.
Quote from: geise on 12/08/2011, 11:13 AMI'm glad I bought a wii at launch. It enabled me to easily allow homebrew on my wii. My Wii used more for homebrew now than actual wii stuff.
That is a problem, lol. Homebrew is fine, but like you say
QuoteThere's quite few really good games I still have yet to play on the Wii though. I kinda feel all the systems as of late have more shit than good games.
Theres tons of awful games. Not enough good ones. Quality over Quantity didn't happen. It usually doesn't. Add in the tacked on gimmick motion crap, and you have more problems. Notice how the good Wii games don't even really use the motion crap? The first 3 years of the Wii shouldn't have existed.
QuoteI sure as hell don't complain about it.
I complain about everything. If no one complains when things suck, things never get better.
QuotePersonally I love the classic controller. It's a really well made controller for me. The way it fits my hands is perfect. It makes classic gaming on the Wii a joy to play.
I took sandpaper to my classic controller and found it worked better after that. It's still not the best thing ever. But, it makes it usable.
QuoteArkhan sometimes you seem like you just hate to well...hate. There are others that are allowed to feel differently about something. I sure don't have a problem with it.
:)
I guess I should put a disclaimer when I rant. People seem to think I'm trying to force them to change how they think or something. I'm just ranting about things I think are stupid. Read it and then agree or disagree. Either way you can keep doing what you were doing. I don't care.
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/08/2011, 10:23 AMI can't help it I don't roll over and take it in the ass when things suck.
Except when it came time to buy a launch Wii system and seeing the lackluster titles sitting right next to it, then you were all "Give it to me dry so I can cry about it later!"
Quote from: NecroPhile on 12/08/2011, 11:29 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/08/2011, 10:23 AMI can't help it I don't roll over and take it in the ass when things suck.
Except when it came time to buy a launch Wii system and seeing the lackluster titles sitting right next to it, then you were all "Give it to me dry so I can cry about it later!"
Whoa now! Trauma Center WAS a good game, it's just it wasn't anything new. I was excited to play it thinking "Oh, it'll be fun as usual and a good tie over until the rest of the good crap comes out in a few months or less"
and Zelda was what I expected: Mediocre, and not as good as LttP. I did not expect it to take one sitting to beat though. That was just dumb. They filled the game with stuff like GO FIND ALL THE BUGS, etc. to extend the games playtime. I don't do that.
I didn't expect the next 3 years to be full of horseshit, given the things they kept showing. And then when the crap they kept showing did come out, it was nowhere near as good as they lied about. See: Wii Music.
Dicks.
Wii Homebrew says that PCFX emulation is really slow?
That's because it's a wannabe white dating sim box.
duhrrrr
:)
ok stupid question but how do I launch Wii Mednefan? I installed the directly to the SD card, but I cannot launch any of the boot.elf files from my Homebrew launcher. Is there supposed to be a channel for this? So confused sorry
Quote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:21 PMWii Homebrew says that PCFX emulation is really slow?
Quote from: guest on 12/08/2011, 03:27 PMThat's because it's a wannabe white dating sim box.
duhrrrr
:)
#-o
As in, the emulation for the PCFX on Wiimednafen is slow at the moment.
UPDATE - ok I got it launched had to load a Boot Launcher app. Can someone tell me how I can install the WAD so I have a nice channel to launch for this thing?
Quote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:49 PMI have homebrew channel on my Wii
Put the folder with the elf and icon file into your apps folder on your SD card. Then you should be able to launch it from the Homebrew channel.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/08/2011, 03:49 PMQuote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:21 PMWii Homebrew says that PCFX emulation is really slow?
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/08/2011, 03:27 PMThat's because it's a wannabe white dating sim box.
duhrrrr
:)
#-o
As in, the emulation for the PCFX on Wiimednafen is slow at the moment.
Thank you captain obvious.
It was a joke.
About the PC-FX.
Try to keep up.
Since there is a WAD file, isn't there a way to load this as a channel from the SD card?
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/08/2011, 03:52 PMQuote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:49 PMI have homebrew channel on my Wii
Put the folder with the elf and icon file into your apps folder on your SD card. Then you should be able to launch it from the Homebrew channel.
Quote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 04:01 PMSince there is a WAD file, isn't there a way to load this as a channel from the SD card?
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/08/2011, 03:52 PMQuote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:49 PMI have homebrew channel on my Wii
Put the folder with the elf and icon file into your apps folder on your SD card. Then you should be able to launch it from the Homebrew channel.
That's a forwarder to the boot.dol file on your SD card.
Quote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:49 PMUPDATE - ok I got it launched had to load a Boot Launcher app. Can someone tell me how I can install the WAD so I have a nice channel to launch for this thing?
You shouldn't need any special apps to launch it. The homebrew channel is all you need.
sorry I am part technical / part retarted. I have the homebrew channel but it didn't show up in the menu of apps. I had to load a Boot.Elf launcher to get it to work. Not big deal but a little annoying.
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/08/2011, 04:06 PMQuote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 04:01 PMSince there is a WAD file, isn't there a way to load this as a channel from the SD card?
Quote from: Burnt Lasagna on 12/08/2011, 03:52 PMQuote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:49 PMI have homebrew channel on my Wii
Put the folder with the elf and icon file into your apps folder on your SD card. Then you should be able to launch it from the Homebrew channel.
That's a forwarder to the boot.dol file on your SD card.
Quote from: Duo_R on 12/08/2011, 03:49 PMUPDATE - ok I got it launched had to load a Boot Launcher app. Can someone tell me how I can install the WAD so I have a nice channel to launch for this thing?
You shouldn't need any special apps to launch it. The homebrew channel is all you need.
Think of the forwarder as a desktop shortcut to the app thats on your SD card.
On your SD card there should be a folder call "apps" (if there isn't then make one) this is were all the apps for the homebrew channel need to be placed.
When you download and extract wiimednafen there are two folders "APPS" and "wiimednafen", within the "APPS" folder is another folder called "wiimednafen".
Place the first wiimednafen folder on the root of your SD card.
Then place the second wiimednafen folder (the one that's within the APPS folder) in the apps folder of your SD card.
It should then appear on your homebrew channel. You can install the forwarder with any WAD installer.
awesome I will give that a try!
Duo_R, BL is leaving out some crucial steps here.
You'll need to first compile the emulator on your Wii (the package provided is actually just source code), then you'll have to get to a command line and execute the following command:
"mednafen -f3001 -qzk1:100 -l:1024,512 -480p -framerate:100 -sound:enabled -joy:enabled -d -e -r -p /sd/<filename>.pce"
Quote from: nat on 12/08/2011, 07:47 PMDuo_R, BL is leaving out some crucial steps here.
You'll need to first compile the emulator on your Wii (the package provided is actually just source code), then you'll have to get to a command line and execute the following command:
"mednafen -f3001 -qzk1:100 -l:1024,512 -480p -framerate:100 -sound:enabled -joy:enabled -d -e -r -p /sd/<filename>.pce"
Um, no I'm not missing any steps. Your downloading the source files by mistake.
There's a pre-compiled version you can download.
Never mind I'm an idiot! I didn't look at that command!
I thought there is a compiled version. I got it to work without the code
i loled
For anyone who cares this just got a new release (v0.1)
http://wiibrew.org/wiki/WiiMednafen
Changelog Quote0.1 - January 13, 2012
Added support for MegaDrive/Genesis.
Added rewind support for the following emulators:
GameBoy/GameBoy Color
Game Gear
Lynx
Nintendo Entertainment System (excludes FDS games)
Neo Geo Pocket
PC Engine/TurboGrafx 16 (excludes CD games)
Sega Master System
WonderSwan (excludes large SRAM sizes: Dicing Knight, Judgment Silversword)
VI + GX scaler (eliminates majority of scaling artifacts).
Default screen sizes per emulator (1x, 2x, Full, etc.).
Full widescreen support
16:9 correction option (displays 4:3 on widescreen displays).
Double strike (240p) mode support (can be enabled globally and per-emulator). By default, is explicitly disabled for handheld emulators.
Color trap filter (Eke-eke implementation)
Master system FM sound support (when region set to Domestic/Japan)
Virtual Boy SRAM bug fix (was not being persisted).
Fixed bug where screen sizing controls were not being properly rotated (games with vertical orientation).
Ability to map "rotate screen" button for WonderSwan (Klonoa, etc.).
WonderSwan control mappings now supports "profile" toggle. Allows for saving mappings for both orientations for a single game (Klonoa, etc.).
Updated Game Gear to display with proper aspect ratio.
Ability to set Volume globally and per-emulator.
Additional SMS/GG compatibility
Fixed bug that prevented certain Ogg Vorbis files (multiples of 1024, go figure) from loading as part of a CD image (CUE sheet).
Fixed bug that prevented some FDS games (Metroid) from properly flipping the disk.
Yeah I tried it this past weekend. :D Nice little update.