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#1
Quote from: TheOldMan on 12/11/2015, 12:51 AM
QuoteStill good enough to learn on I hope
If you're still learning, stay under $500. You can get a pretty nice machine for that price to learn on and see if it's for you. Believe me, no matter what they say it is -not- "hook it up and print" :)
That's right where I'm looking, price-wise. I would love to buy into one of the really nice ones, but after messing with the software a bit and the research I've done so far, I know I'll be printing more blobs than anything, so no need to have a nice one.
#2
Quote from: jelloslug on 12/10/2015, 09:45 PMI have them done at Shapeways; they use $250,000 machines. I do my prototypes on a Makerbot Z18 but I would not use it for "production" parts.
Ah, that makes sense. Nice prototyping setup. I'm looking in the range of a fraction of the cost of even the Z18. Something like a Printrbot. Still good enough to learn on I hope.
#3
That's awesome quality! What printer are you using? I've been considering getting a cheap-ish one to tinker with and would love to be able to turn out parts that are this nice.
#5
Paris has a number of really nice retro and modern shops surrounding the Republique station on the Blvd Voltaire. There's even an offshoot of the Trader chain that started in Tokyo. They have a lot of Japanese games, but their prices are very high. Higher than ebay most of the time. My personal favorite in that area is Maxxi Games. Kind of a dungeon feel to it, but they have a ton of nice games. There's also a small chain called Retro Game Shop that I believe is off of the Rue Trosseau. He had a lot of unusual stuff, but again, priced kinda high. I'd say I've visited probably 10-12 stores of various types in Paris, likely split 50-50 between retro and modern. One shop was even dedicated to modding hardware, including chips (this was in the mid 2000s and I think it's since closed).

I can't speak for Berlin or Warsaw, but I did find a very nice place in Prague called Hry-Presto and a small but interesting shop in Budapest called Konzolestudio. London used to have a few, but it's been several years since I've had a chance to visit them and I think they might be gone. I've discovered one in Munich called NipponDreams that I plan to visit the next time I'm there.

Truthfully, I'd put the district in Paris a second only to Tokyo in terms of best places I've found to get the really good stuff. It's not as cool as Tokyo by any stretch, but I've never been anyplace else that had so many stores in a single area. I just wish their prices were more comparable and that I could trust to buy AES games there. They always have a nice selection, but I suspect most if not all are boots.
 
Edit: had the wrong name for the shop in Munich.
#6
General Gaming / Re: OG Xbox
10/11/2014, 11:11 PM
2D shewties? Not many and only imports. Psyvariar 2, Shikigami no Shiro (3 different versions). If you do get into imports, Metal Wolf Chaos is worth checking out if only for the horrible storyline.
#7
Off-Topic / Re: Light Gun Games
10/07/2014, 11:11 PM
I believe it's Time Crisis 2 & 3 and Vampire Night that use the FireWire port on early PS2s to give 2 screen link play. Very fun way to play if you have 2 crts, 2 ps2s, and 2 copies of the game.
#8
Quote from: jeffhlewis on 09/23/2014, 03:39 AMWe were the table with the imports (I.e. the good stuff).
And the taco shirt!
#9
General Gaming / Re: AES or MVS?
09/01/2014, 12:15 AM
Split the difference and go with a consolized mvs like the Omega. Video quality is great and you can buy the cheaper, yet identical versions of the games. The initial hardware purchase will be more than the aes, but it more than makes up for it after a couple of games. Once you have a unibios in the mix, there really isn't much difference between mvs and aes other than packaging and cost.
#10
There's also a matching GBA player that's hard to find.

Free bump for one of the best looking consoles ever!
#11
Truthfully, I'm not sure if the $85 a piece was a great offer or a terrible offer. I felt it was more than fair, but I was more interested in trading with BlueBMW than selling so I turned it down.

On the open market, it's hard to say what they would go for. I suspect around that point, but it's been so long since I've seen any come up that it's a pure guess. I know a lot more people have the console now and most of them are in the same boat as you in having a game or two and wanting more.

Good luck with your search, the games are out there, but are tough to find. You might try the assemblergames.com forum. They were some of the first people to really get interested in the A'Can, but I think the main guys that had them there have already sold off their games.
#12
Tough system to find games for. I got my games a few years back, before the systems became so much more common on ebay. I was paying about $50-$75 a piece for boxed games at the time, regardless of source. But at the time, there were just a few of us trying to find them so it was a lot easier and nobody pushing the prices up.

I had quite a few offers for just the 3 games that I traded to BlueBMW, up to about $85 a piece for loose copies.  But he had some X68000 goodness that I just couldn't resist so they all went to him along with my second system and controller.

Truthfully, there isn't a whole lot worth playing once you get past CUG, Boomzoo, and Speedy Dragon. Sango Fighter is fun, but I used to play it a lot back in the day on PC so I think it's mostly nostalgia for me. The rest are cool from the standpoint of being legit Taiwanese releases, but for gameplay they aren't worth grabbing.

Feel free to bounce any questions you have off of me. Unfortunately, I can't really point you towards any reliable sources for the games.
#13
Quote from: JKM on 01/08/2014, 04:59 PMI would say that all of the PCE shmups are hard to find. I go to Gamestop every week looking for some, and they never have any. They just ask me if I've played the latest Call of Duty since I'm a harcore shooter fan.
Interestingly enough, I have a friend that bought a copy of Radiant Silvergun at an Electronics Boutique (now owned by Gamestop) back in the day. He keeps the receipt to prove it. I don't know if they ever had any PCE stuff, but I could see them possibly having had some of the PCE CD since it's region free.
#14
Quote from: rag-time4 on 01/06/2014, 05:37 PMGood thread!

The US version of Syd Mead's Terraforming seems legitimately hard to find.

Image fight isn't hard to find, but it's hard to beat.

The only thing that could improve this thread is a link to 98pacecar's PCE collection on pcedaisakusen.net
I've been a user of RFGeneration for a while, so my collection is listed there.

Hu Cards
http://www.rfgeneration.com/cgi-bin/collection.pl?name=98PaceCar&action=&results=&findimages=&folder=Collection&console=%7C039%7C&type=

CD
http://www.rfgeneration.com/cgi-bin/collection.pl?name=98PaceCar&action=&results=&findimages=&folder=Collection&console=%7C041%7C&type=

I've also got the full run of Supergrafx, but that doesn't really need a link to a list.
#15
Quote from: guest on 01/06/2014, 08:16 PMUnfortunately, it seems that 98pacecar wasn't interested in non-collector discussion after all. :|
I'm still around, just taking some time to read older threads. That and play more of what I've already picked up. Kind of addicted to the first Download right now. I keep trying to get further into it to see how much worse the engrish gets!
#16
General Gaming / Re: Funtech Super A'Can
12/05/2013, 02:16 PM
Quote from: guest on 12/05/2013, 10:01 AMHeh, neat as an oddity.  Is the Son Son looking monkey game any fun?
I'd put it in the category of playable. Really nothing on this system is good enough to classify as fun outside of Sango Fighter and I think that's just my nostalgia for the pc version.

Quote from: jeffhlewis on 12/05/2013, 10:39 AMDHG Hunter is the guy who brings his A'Can to MGC each year...not sure how many games he has for it, though the past few times we've had the Sonic/Dragon/Guy-with-baseball-bat game (forgot the name, heh).

You in the area for MGC? You should definitely come this year. We have some awesome stuff in the works for the 2014 show.
Yea, since CGE has died, I try to make the trip to MGC each year. Usually ends up being my favorite show. Just wish they could solve the problem with Milwaukee and move to a bigger place. Last year was a bit snug.
#17
General Gaming / Re: Funtech Super A'Can
12/04/2013, 11:36 PM
Quote from: PunkCryborg on 12/04/2013, 10:22 PMWow dude thanks for sharing the pics man! I played that baseball player platformer thats like sonic. Great game and very bright and colorful. Sango fighter was also pretty cool. Definitely a lot of potential for this machine. I know a lot of people who collect thisalso do for Gamate and Watara Supervision which I also find really interesting obscure systems.
Did they have the Bomberman clone available at the MGC? It might be worth bringing it to give something new to try out. Past that though, the library is pretty bad.
#18
Quote from: Sadler on 12/04/2013, 10:58 PMGood, because I promise they are only looking out for the community. Having said that, I'll post dick pics in every one of your threads unless you post some pics of your vette! :D
That's an offer I can't refuse!! I've already put it to bed for the winter, so I can't get anything current. But here's an older one that gives you an idea. If I get a nice day anytime soon, I plan to drag it out and go for a spin so I'll try to get something a bit better.

It's nice to have someone get the reference from my screen name though!

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#19
General Gaming / Re: Funtech Super A'Can
12/04/2013, 10:26 PM
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2013, 09:58 PMThanks for not answering my question.

Seriously, not to sound rude, but you have very rare games that are important in gaming history. Have you considered getting them dumped?
I think we were typing at the same time, so I didn't see your reply.

I'm not sure how to go about having them dumped, but I seem to remember that at one point, someone on Assembler was working on this. I haven't followed that project, but it might already be done and just not widely released.
#20
General Gaming / Re: Funtech Super A'Can
12/04/2013, 09:31 PM
The console seems to be selling for about $250 to $350 in the box, down from what it used to be. The games were about $80-$100 a piece when I was seeing them hit the market. It's been a long time since I've seen any sell, but I haven't watched them all that closely either. There used to be a guy from Taiwan on eBay that came up with games somewhat regularly, but even he hasn't had any in a while it seems.
#21
General Gaming / Funtech Super A'Can
12/04/2013, 08:44 PM
Over in another thread, it was requested that I post some pics of the Funtech Super A'Can.

Console and extra gamepad:
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And the games (just missing Rebel Star, if it was actually released):
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It seems like recently, there have been a lot of boxed consoles for sale, but the games are still hard to get. The spare gamepads even come up from time to time if you watch. It's even possible to run across them in the US as a number of them were sent here to be stripped of the CPUs. Not sure of the entire story, but I had one that came to me from a US seller claiming they had a bunch of them, all without screws. Weird, but as poorly as it did I can see them being scrapped.

For more info, see here: http://www.videogameconsolelibrary.com/pg90-funtech.htm#page=reviews
#22
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2013, 02:32 PMSomething else that might have set off a few people, is that you actually did show up and start off by asking to enter a raffle for a free "rarez" game, in which the only rule was that you had to haved joined the forum before a month earlier than you did. Again, there is a history of abusing raffles here and for the longest time before that, people weren't sensitive about it. It's unfortuate that things that have happened in the past affect new members, but it's the same reason why we don't have a chat box and new members have to be manually approved.

Like I said, if you aren't completely turned off already and spend more time talking about games you enjoy, then you'll be welcomed by everyone. Collecting, the original form of it anyway, isn't hated here, but this place is more or less the inverse of digitpress. Love of gaming is the primary focus.
That's one I deserve a ding for. I actually considered pulling my name from contention when my other thread blew up, but missed the window and the drawing had already happened. Fortunately, I didn't win, so no real harm done.

I hold no ill will towards anybody here, even the more vocal that have gone off on me. If either one of them wanted to have a civil discussion or even just a few friendly words in whatever thread we cross paths in, I'm more than happy to oblige. From an overall standpoint, there have been many more positives than negatives and I don't see a reason to leave. This forum is laser focused on a system that I'm actively trying to learn about, so I just want to be where the best information is.
#23
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2013, 12:19 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/04/2013, 11:22 AM
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2013, 10:45 AM-  Dipshits (pacecar) that don't know what they want, are too lazy to use search, and get all pissed off when they earn a vestcunt audit deserve to be mocked.  He'll never be much of a contributing member anyway, seeing as he doesn't know shit and isn't really willing to learn.
How do you figure I'm not willing to learn?
I'm not saying you're not, but some members here believe that you should develop some kind of interest in particular games before seeking them out to buy, instead of asking for a shopping list. One thing in particular many people here are sensitive to, is collector/invester types who ask for help getting deals on the more expensive/hard to find games. This is because too many times people have used the forum to acquire and flip games/collections and inflate "collector" prices. Magical Chase was a <$150 game before one member infamously begged for help finding a cheap copy to play, picked up a couple complete copies, hyped the shit out of it on eBay and kickstartered the artificial gouging craze.
This makes a lot of sense and I can understand how it would cause hesitation when new people come around. I've been the victim of this happening in a market myself and watching prices on items I've wanted soar out of reach due to speculation (Magical Chase is one of these). Spend more than a few minutes on NintendoAge and you'll see this as well as many other market manipulation techniques in full display. Not a good thing for the hobby and I understand that very well. I also understand that this could (and probably should) create an amount of risk aversion towards new people until their motives are understood.

But to ask a question that was clearly misstated by myself/misinterpreted by others and have this level of aggression leveled with those on the attack being unwilling to even consider my side of the argument is not a good sign. If I had come in and immediately posted in the Buy/Sell forum asking for people to sell me "teh rarez" for cheap or point me towards sources that I could clean out, I'd have deserved every bit and more of what was launched at me. I didn't, so we really have just a simple misunderstanding that has exploded into a situation where nobody comes out looking good.

It's an unfortunate situation that so many of the niche forums have such a large contingent of members with this type of attitude. The aforementioned NintendoAge, Neo-geo.com, and many others are the same or even worse than here. It's commendable to try and protect the market so that other fans of a given console or genre have a fighting chance to get what they want. Being cautious of or even hazing new members is normal, but being noob-phobic or openly hostile to new members will lead to forum death, not unlike what Digitpress.com is suffering from right now.

At a certain point, there are going to be new people coming in and going off on them without true provocation just serves to push them away from the scene, though like myself, it certainly won't prevent them from sourcing and acquiring the very games the forum is trying to protect. The only thing it may accomplish is to prevent them from interacting in the scene, which could lead to the market changes the forum is trying to prevent actually happening as they don't have the info the forum could provide and make uninformed buying decisions.
#24
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2013, 10:45 AM-  Dipshits (pacecar) that don't know what they want, are too lazy to use search, and get all pissed off when they earn a vestcunt audit deserve to be mocked.  He'll never be much of a contributing member anyway, seeing as he doesn't know shit and isn't really willing to learn.
How do you figure I'm not willing to learn?
#25
Quote from: guest on 12/03/2013, 10:30 AM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 06:33 PMReally? Now you are going to start spewing personal attacks after admonishing me about the same?
It's not an insult when it's true.

By arguing the definition of words like a french lawyer, you've removed all doubt that you're a collectard fool.  Good day.
I think a German lawyer would be more appropriate here. They are more tenacious in their arguments. The French lawyer would be the one surrendering (perhaps by saying something like "Good day").

Never said I wasn't a collector. That's an (obviously) incorrect assumption on the part of a few in this thread. The truth is I enjoy my collection everyday, whether I'm playing, adding to it, or just doing the general maintenance it requires. If having the ability to do something I enjoy makes me a fool, then so be it. I'd rather be a collectard fool that enjoys life than an insufferable fool that only tries to bring others down because they do things a different way.
#26
Quote from: PunkCryborg on 12/02/2013, 09:47 PMI played one 2 years ago at MGC and have always been interested in it since. Would have been an awesome machine for shooters. got a pic of your a'can collection together posted anywhere?
I don't right now, but I will take some for you. I've always been impressed that there was one available to play at MGC. It's good to see folks getting the chance to try something so obscure. I usually end up spending some time down in that room each year, just checking out what I don't have.

Quote from: Tatsujin on 12/02/2013, 09:55 PMok one question here. you have all that uber many stuff, but what did you get into PCE'ing so late? I mean, it's like almost impossible to me to have that big of a pile of games and consoles, but in the same time ignored the PCEs existence over almost 3 decades.. or waht was the reason for it?.. just wondering :)
Honestly, there's no real reason I can point to. I've had a number of TG16 games and have always been impressed with the quality, but I never made the jump to PCE. I'm disappointed in myself now that I have a proper PCE as the difference in the US and Japanese libraries reminds me a lot of the Saturn. The US library has some great titles, but the Japanese library almost has too many great titles. It's been a hole in my collection for too long, so I'm glad to finally be working on filling it.
#27
Quote from: PunkCryborg on 12/02/2013, 09:33 PMDude you got some crazy stuff listed in there. Do you have a complete A'can set???
Technically no. I've never found confirmation that Rebel Star was actually released, but outside of that I have the other 12 games cib as well as the console cib in a rough box. The port of Sango Fighter is pretty good, given how bad Sango Fighter is!
#28
Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 08:52 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 12:33 PMThough I will disagree that Vestcunt hit the nail on the head, that was nothing more than a rant from a simple mind based on not even enough information to call it limited. You yourself say I "seemingly know jack shit about the PCE". How do you or he know that?
Uh... by your posts? My two-month old joke is funny because you match the stereotypes.  You don't know what you're committing to. You are content to buy whatever Tats or other internet strangers tell you is a set. You don't know what a bootleg Sapphire looks like (hint: larger ring than any other PCE disc). You call yourself a collector, but the massive library of (five) SGX games is a mystery to you. You don't care about price, nostalgia, or gameplay, you just want to buy the rarest, most-expensive games (of which you are clueless) ASAP.

This is non-fiction, so don't be offended. You reveled all of this in your first few posts, hence Necro's "seemingly know jack". It's painfully obvious. Stop calling yourself a collector and you'll appear less comical. A Collector is a knowledgeable expert with a pre-existing collection. Try: "Noob Looking to Blow Wad, Follow Herd."
Nope, I have no collection experience at all.

http://www.rfgeneration.com/cgi-bin/collection.pl?action=profile&name=98PaceCar&folder=Collection

http://www.videogameconsolelibrary.com/abt-who.htm

And still worth looking at even though they are a few years old.

http://www.videogameconsolelibrary.com/abt-collection.htm#page=PC
#29
Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 04:43 PM
QuoteThe personal insults came out after Vestcunt took a swing at me.
If you actually look at what he posted, it's a quote from two months ago about people who want to buy every game, even though they are unfamiliar enough with the library to have to ask what games are "worth", before blindly paying what they believe to be "fair market value".

The only game you should be on the look out for to snatch up before it's gone is the English version of Magical Chase. It's not simply a translation of the PCE version and has unique graphics. Air Zonk also has some artistic changes. There is a thread around here that details some of the other differences between TG-16 and PCE versions of games. Sinistron and Psychosis for example have different order of stages.
Thanks for the info. Magical Chase US will be out of reach unless someone finds a crate of them somewhere. It's  price is just crazy. I wasn't aware that some of the US versions were tweaked from the JPN versions, outside of language. I'll dig that up and see what it has.
#30
Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 06:10 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 04:47 PMPlease, show me where I asked for "teh rarez". I honestly want to know, no BS, no hidden agenda, I want to see what it is I said that led you to believe that is what I was asking for. I honestly don't see it myself.

I asked for titles that are hard to find, that does not imply rare or even expensive.

As you yourself pointed out, Darius Alpha, arguably one of the rarest titles on the system, is readily available. So it is not hard to find despite being rare and expensive. My question was what titles are hard to find. Nothing more, but some of the folks sure read more into it. 
Are you a troll or just an maroon?  I can't tell.  The dictionary definition of rare is "coming or occurring far apart in time; unusual; uncommon", which is entirely analogous to 'hard to find'.
Really? Now you are going to start spewing personal attacks after admonishing me about the same? 

Ok, so I guess we will just have to disagree. I've been doing this long enough to understand that even though something is not rare, it can be difficult to find (Final Fantasy 7 during the early 2000s). I also understand that being rare does not imply that it will be hard to find (Darius Alpha now). Dictionary definition aside, it's how it is in the real world and that's why I came to where the people that follow the market hang out.

Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 06:10 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 04:47 PMEither way, I'd prefer this thread lived on to discuss what my intent was, but it looks like that's just not going to be possible.
How so?  You already have your answer, so what else is there to discuss?  If you (or anyone else) thinks I'm wrong, please head over to eBay and/or Yahoo Japan and prove me wrong; I did check most of the games mentioned thus far on eBay, and the Seiya Monogatari mook is the only one that didn't have a current listing.
I don't think I've said to anybody that I think they are wrong. Even throughout the shit slinging, I'm still getting good info.
#31
Quote from: esteban on 12/02/2013, 04:48 PMEPILOGUE: Every soul at pcenginefx is holding hands as a consensus is reached—"We can learn to live with one another and be civil! We really can! Yay!"

And from that moment forward, the gentle breeze of tranquility swept through the forums.
Followed by the sound of Neo-Geo.com finally going thermonuclear due to the imbalance in the force!
#32
Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 04:16 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 01:55 PMAnd see, there is good information that is not on the lists that show up when you Google. In fact, until Tat mentioned that title I would have not known it fit my criteria. If I hadn't asked, would I have eventually known? Maybe. Being that it fits the criteria of why I started this thread, it's a huge help to me.
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And that's a fair stance. It's wrong as pointed out above. The lists on the net vary in quality and none of them give me the information I was looking for. From what I can tell, even the list stickied in this very forum is missing at least one title past the one Tat gave me. Again, why not ask and find out for sure?
Because that's not what you asked.  Asking "What're teh rarez so I can snatch 'em up and not miss out?!?" is miles away from "Besides the 110, what other games have shewty goodness hidden inside?"
Please, show me where I asked for "teh rarez". I honestly want to know, no BS, no hidden agenda, I want to see what it is I said that led you to believe that is what I was asking for. I honestly don't see it myself.

I asked for titles that are hard to find, that does not imply rare or even expensive. As you yourself pointed out, Darius Alpha, arguably one of the rarest titles on the system, is readily available. So it is not hard to find despite being rare and expensive. My question was what titles are hard to find. Nothing more, but some of the folks sure read more into it. 

Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 04:16 PMBesides Cychorider, there's other games that have hidden shewties (Somer Assault) or at least shewty stages (Fray and Shockman).  There should be a thread somewhere that lists 'em all, or at least as many of 'em as we could come up with.
A couple of folks were kind enough to point out that there are hidden shmups as well and that was very much appreciated. Clearly it's something I'd be interested in, so it started another conversation that was beneficial. I've just gotten more information from you and I do appreciate it. All I'm trying to do here is learn.

Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 04:16 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 01:55 PMThat is my only real mistake here. Of course, the irony of the others here (yourself included) doing the exact same thing is not lost on me.
And yet I've made no comment one way or the other about whether or not you should buy "shelf sitters".  I've got quite a few myself (one trip through Magical Dinosaur Tour was more than enough), so I'm obviously not entirely against it, but don't let that stop you from continuing to argue your 'joke'.

PS - If you really want to lock this thread, do it.
This thread isn't about shelf sitters. It's about "teh rarez" I guess. Not my intent, but that's how it's gone. And from where I'm sitting, I'm not arguing "my joke". As I said, as far as I know Lochlan and I have reached a level of agreement, even if it is a disagreement. He was the only person that said anything about hoarding (leading to the joke). I replied, we batted it back and forth, and left it in a somewhat peaceful state.

Yes, Vestcunt and I have not taken the time to "settle" things, but if he wants to, I'm here and more than willing. That's between he and I and doesn't involve anybody else.

Either way, I'd prefer this thread lived on to discuss what my intent was, but it looks like that's just not going to be possible.
#33
Quote from: pixeljunkie on 12/02/2013, 02:27 PMi vote for locking this stinker
Unfortunately, I agree.
#34
Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 01:12 PMLike I said, NONE of the 110 shewties are particularly hard to find.  The 'special' HuCARDs and Darius Alpha have the smallest print runs, yet they're all available; the Seiya Monogatari mook (Tats's #111) is probably the hardest to find, but even it shows up multiple times in the course of a year on eBay and yahoo japan.

If money IS a factor, then they're a bit harder to find at a fair price.  The rarest/priciest titles are almost always readily available but often only at inflated BINs that sit unsold for weeks on end.
And see, there is good information that is not on the lists that show up when you Google. In fact, until Tat mentioned that title I would have not known it fit my criteria. If I hadn't asked, would I have eventually known? Maybe. Being that it fits the criteria of why I started this thread, it's a huge help to me.

Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 01:12 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 12:33 PMMy response on the hoarder comment was a joke. Trust me, if I was offended by it, that would be made clear.
But of course.  I always go back and forth for a couple pages to argue a 'joke', bringing out the personal insults for more lulz.
The personal insults came out after Vestcunt took a swing at me. I'd say my conversing with Lochlan stayed more above the belt and didn't devolve into personal attacks and ended with at least me understanding and appreciating his point of view. He may not agree with me on that, but that's for him to decide. I'm more than willing to apologize to Vestcunt for my attack if he is willing to do the same. But jumping someone for asking a question you don't like is not a good way to be and I won't just sit there and take it.

Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 01:12 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 12:33 PMThough I will disagree that Vestcunt hit the nail on the head, that was nothing more than a rant from a simple mind based on not even enough information to call it limited. You yourself say I "seemingly know jack shit about the PCE". How do you or he know that? Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
I base it on you asking for a list of hard to find shewties, which anyone with a deep knowledge of the system (or the ability to use Google) would be able to figure out on their own.
And that's a fair stance. It's wrong as pointed out above. The lists on the net vary in quality and none of them give me the information I was looking for. From what I can tell, even the list stickied in this very forum is missing at least one title past the one Tat gave me. Again, why not ask and find out for sure?

Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 01:12 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/02/2013, 12:33 PMI've given my reasons for purchasing and enjoying shmups. I've made it clear that I play what I buy, but I'm also realistic about how I do it. If that makes me a bad person, well, that's fine. Plenty of people like me and plenty of people hate me. Life goes on and I'll continue enjoying games regardless of what others think I should be doing.
And the smart man would leave it at that, instead of trying to convince others that only his opinion is correct.
That is my only real mistake here. Of course, the irony of the others here (yourself included) doing the exact same thing is not lost on me.  :lol: (edit: forgot to add a smiley so it's clear I'm joking)
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Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 12:04 PMIf price isn't a concern, none of 'em are particularly hard to find.  Have you heard of eBay?  Every title mentioned thus far is available, even Darius Alpha.
Ah, but see, you just confirmed the very reason I started this thread. Yes, Darius Alpha is legitimately rare and very expensive, but it's steady availability on ebay keeps it from being hard to get. I am interested in knowing which titles rarely come available, a big difference. Money isn't a factor in that, some will be expensive and some will be cheap. I suppose if one is willing to just throw stupid cash at people until someone sells, everything is always available, but that's not how I operate.
Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 12:04 PMAs for the rest of this fool's argument: grow up, 98, or at least grow a thicker skin.  Being called a hoarder is not highly offensive, especially not after you said yourself that you're a bit OCD about collecting.  Vestcunt hit the nail on the head, as you seemingly know jack shit about the PCE or any of the games yet gotta get 'em all, but who cares?  Be proud of your nonsensical reasons to want something (It's rarez? BIN!!!), and ignore those of us that buy games for crazy reasons like thinking they look fun.
My response on the hoarder comment was a joke. Trust me, if I was offended by it, that would be made clear. Though I will disagree that Vestcunt hit the nail on the head, that was nothing more than a rant from a simple mind based on not even enough information to call it limited. You yourself say I "seemingly know jack shit about the PCE". How do you or he know that? Maybe I do, maybe I don't. But asking questions of those that are considered "in the know" is never a bad thing, or at least it shouldn't be.

I've given my reasons for purchasing and enjoying shmups. I've made it clear that I play what I buy, but I'm also realistic about how I do it. If that makes me a bad person, well, that's fine. Plenty of people like me and plenty of people hate me. Life goes on and I'll continue enjoying games regardless of what others think I should be doing.
#36
Quote from: pixeljunkie on 12/02/2013, 11:08 AMI think this whole thing 98, is that you came in fresh with "Tell me the rarez omg expensive titles to get" which will always have a negative connotation. I'm sure you aren't much different than most of us in terms of collecting PCE goodies, it's really a matter of tact or semantics I think. I also think there was a flaw in your question, as "HTF" is defined by you as you look for a game you want to play based on screens/revies/videos. Rather than looking for a game purely based on its rarity or value.

Welcome to the club and good luck on your search, the PCE is an amazing shmup console. The best, in my opinion.

The love for this console you'll find here is also the same passion you've seen on this thread. I don't think anyone is nuts or booger eaters from what I can tell. There's just that moment when you wince at reading someone new looking to get "teh rarez" and want to chime in with a tale of caution in terms of the culture here.
Thank you for the balanced assessment of my original post. My goal was actually to try and take the cost factor out of it based on past experience of expensive games not always being rare. In reading it again, I can see that I may have left that a bit open to interpretation. Not sure that merits the attacks, but eh, it happens and it's not worth worrying about. I was fortunate to get some very helpful answers, so it's all good!
#37
Quote from: guest on 12/02/2013, 04:14 AM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/01/2013, 10:04 PM
Quote from: "vestcunt" on 10/02/2013, 10:20 PMIt makes me sad to see other people have things I want, but I won't work hard enough in my life to earn what I want so I just get mad about it and vent at other people that can have it. I also feel that the main reason I don't have the games I want is that the resellers insist on getting a fair market price on items that I feel I should be able to buy for next to nothing. I mean, everybody else pays the prices that games are worth or just waits until a deal that is to their liking comes along, but not me! I'm special! I'll just keep ranting about the resellers and continue to not have the things I want in life instead of trying to increase my income so that I can just buy them.
Boy are you barking up the wrong tree.
Prove it big man.
#38
Quote from: Lochlan on 12/01/2013, 10:40 PMWell when you said you buy games and they end up being shelf filler, and you implied that you knew with certain games that would end up being the case (such as Deep Blue), that lead me to believe that you buy games with the knowledge that they will be shelf filler.  And this is in your thread about acquiring a checklist of games.  I guess you can deflect my arguments with semantic acrobatics, but I think we both know what is going on here.  Anyway, I already said what I wanted to say, I don't have anything to add to this topic.

Again, my beef isn't with you per se, it's more an overall disappointment with the direction this hobby has taken for most people who have an interest in it.  And I'm not perfect, I'm guilty of some of these obsessive/hoarding tendencies as well.  I have an insane backlog of games myself.  But I think that setting out to do what you've described in this thread shows a love for acquisition over a love for games.  And when you start tossing around terms like "shelf filler" I just had to say something, it bothered me.  Whether or not you agree is up to you.  I think Vestcunt's reply nailed it, I couldn't have put it better.

Good luck buying all the games, I genuinely hope that you find it to be a fulfilling pursuit.
I think we had a misunderstanding. My intent is never to buy something specifically as shelf filler. However, it does happen as there's just x amount of time to play and I'm constantly adding new titles. It's a byproduct of buying new games without selling the old ones. I do know people that buy stuff they have no intention of ever playing, but I'm not like that. Especially with shmups, both good and bad. Given limited time I have found them to be a great way to have something I can play for less than an hour and feel like I accomplished something. If I were buying RPGs, you'd have every right to criticize as I know upfront I won't be playing them. My reason for starting this thread was purely to figure out what is hard to get. You can't really rely on pricing being an indicator of rarity and for some reason, the PCE has only been on my radar for the past few months. I'm just trying to learn, but that has turned out to be a bit more trying than it should have been.

I get having frustration with the hobby. There is a lot of negative that I have seen in current years that didn't exist when I started and it has taken some of the fun out of being a game fanatic. Some of it is understandable, some of it is not. But take a step back and realize that all you have done is make yourself look rather inflexible to someone that doesn't know if you are just kidding or being serious. In the end, it doesn't really matter, but I know I'd much rather fellow forum members had a positive opinion of me than a negative. Maybe that's just me and I'm too old school, but being that way has served me very well and I have made a lot of close friends through this hobby. Many share my collecting habits/beliefs and many do not, but I wouldn't have many of those friends if I attacked people that differ in opinion from me.

I'm sure this collection, much like the others I have built or am still working on, will be a great ride. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be doing it. 
#39
Quote from: Lochlan on 12/01/2013, 10:14 PM
Quote from: PunkCryborg on 12/01/2013, 10:03 PMwhy exactly did you buy magical dinosaur tour then?
It came in a lot with other games.

Quote from: 98pacecar on 12/01/2013, 10:08 PMWhere did I say I buy games to be shelf filler? I did say that by default, some will end up that way. But nowhere did I say I buy games with the intent for them to be shelf filler.
Lol!
So you can't point it out? Please enlighten me, I'd love to see it! Oh wait, let me guess... My response to vestcunt hit a little too close to home for you and you don't have the anything intelligent to keep your little rant going?

In fact, let's do this. Here is the entire bit where I first talk about shelf filler..

Quote from: 98pacecar on 11/30/2013, 04:16 PM
Quote from: pixeljunkie on 11/30/2013, 03:44 PMUgh. I hope you are gonna play them as well? So sick of all the "collectors" into games these days. My "ugh" isn't directed at you personally. Rather, it made me think about the state of the "scene". I just hope you are playing the games and not just sitting them on a shelf or in a case somewhere to rot. Could I use more "quotes"?
I'm largely a player, but at a certain point there are titles that more or less end up as shelf filler. I have a bit of OCD that compels me to collect all of them even if they are known to be terrible. I will try all of them at least a couple of times, but out of 110 titles I imagine I'll end up sticking to the top xx titles when I want my fix. Not to say I never go back and try others, but given a relatively small amount of time each week to game, some will just not get played as much as others.
So again I ask, where do I say I buy games with the intent to be shelf filler?

That, my friend, deserves an LOL!
#40
Quote from: Lochlan on 12/01/2013, 09:43 PMSure.  And that's not what I said.  It sounds like you have a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of what I wrote.

Purchasing a game with the knowledge that you don't have the time or inclination to play it is hoarding, I don't see how that's a particularly controversial viewpoint.  I mean, the OP used the phrase "shelf filler" for Pete's sake, lol.  We can debate the ethics of such an approach until the cows come home--although I've already said how I feel here, there's no reason for me to go on with that debate.  I find playing the checklist game distasteful, you may not.  Whatever.
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what I wrote. Where did I say I buy games to be shelf filler? I did say that by default, some will end up that way. But nowhere did I say I buy games with the intent for them to be shelf filler. I'm just willing to admit that with so many games to choose from, some will get played less than others and some will likely just be played once or twice. If I'm not negatively affecting my family (I'm not) and I'm not negatively affecting you (still would like to hear how that's possible), what does it matter what I do with my games?
#41
Quote from: vestcunt on 12/01/2013, 08:09 PM
Quote from: vestcunt on 10/02/2013, 10:20 PMOh noes guys! Someone new here likeses our precious! Don't worry though, I'm going to publicly shame him by reposting something I keep stored away for occasions just like this. I'm not clever enough to write something new every time, so I just change a few bits around and make it look like it's a new post.

In reality, all I have done is admit that his goal of collecting all of the SHMUPS is one I secretly have, but deep down know I won't be able to achieve any time soon and certainly not as quick as this new guy seems to be wanting to do.

It makes me sad to see other people have things I want, but I won't work hard enough in my life to earn what I want so I just get mad about it and vent at other people that can have it. I also feel that the main reason I don't have the games I want is that the resellers insist on getting a fair market price on items that I feel I should be able to buy for next to nothing. I mean, everybody else pays the prices that games are worth or just waits until a deal that is to their liking comes along, but not me! I'm special! I'll just keep ranting about the resellers and continue to not have the things I want in life instead of trying to increase my income so that I can just buy them. It just seems so much easier that way and I know I'm entitled to it!

But I'm sure my public shaming will make him go away so only the true fans can worship at the altar of the PC Engine. I'll be sure to randomly pick apart his thread and make wild accusations and do everything I can to misrepresent what he said. I know that makes me seem more clever than I really am, hehe!
Wow kid, you need some help. But I will say it's good to see that you can admit your problems. That's the first step in getting the help you need. Best of luck with it! Maybe there's a pill for what you have?

Quote from: esteban on 12/01/2013, 06:51 PM98pacecar, don't worry  :pcgs:

There are all different folks here. Some of us are more tolerant than others. Some of us rant occasionally (Lochlan) whilst others are set to perma-diatribe (a wonderful misfit named Zeta who, sadly, hasn't posted in a long time).

Collecting for the sake of collecting is not something we talk about "too" much here because many folks are actively playing games. 

Since you are the "new" soul who braved to join us, you may not know that many folks here have a distaste for collecting stuff (be they cereal boxes, One Direction on vinyl, or HuCARDS).

Personally, I never dismiss a game until I've tried it myself and given it an honest chance to speak to me.

I am a game whisperer.

I find pleasure in finding something to appreciate in most games....no matter how brief those moments may be.

Therefore, I have many games that I only occasionally go back to these days.

But they all occupy a special place in my engorged, possibly arrhythmic, heart.

They are my children—I couldn't bear to throw any of them away.

Even the horrid child who is insufferable and brings nothing but pain deserves a home: be it on the shelf or in my heart.

BLESSED CHILDREN, I WILL NEVER FORSAKE YOU.

(In other words, welcome, comrade! You have survived the asylum).
Ah, it never takes long to drag out the loonies on a forum, both good and bad.  I'd be disappointed if there weren't a few nuts around to keep it interesting. I'm not sure how folks can have games without, by default, having a collection. But I appreciate the heads up and I'll try to keep it to a minimum here. I've always considered myself a player first, but a collector as well. No sense having games if you don't play them!

The signal to noise ratio seems really good here and I'm enjoying digging through the old threads. A lot of really good, focused info and just the right amount of lunacy to keep it fun!
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Quote from: Lochlan on 12/01/2013, 04:54 PMI don't understand the need to hoard games you say you have neither the time nor desire to play.  Truthfully my purchasing habits are probably not terribly different from yours and I work about 50 hours a week, so I get where you're coming from when you say you'd rather spend what time you have playing good games.  That all makes sense.

The part I don't get is where you buy Deep Blue and let it rot on a shelf.  That's hoarding, and it is a disease that has turned this hobby into a checklist game for old men with too much money instead of a way to spend leisure time.  But it is your money and I can't stop you.  Actually I don't care that you do this as an individual, but this paradigm of how to engage old game collections has become the standard and it is upsetting for those of us who just want to play.  When game collecting becomes about acquisition rather than playing, something is terribly wrong.

At least you aren't one of those sealed games people, so good on you for that much I guess.
Wow, that escalated quickly. I have to admit, I've never been called a hoarder before and I'm not real sure how to respond to it. I guess I should be offended and see a doctor for my "disease" before it gets any worse! However, I do take offense to the accusation that I have neither the time NOR DESIRE to play many of the games I buy. Nowhere did I say that I buy games just to have them and that is very far from the truth. I play everything that enters my collection as I get it and usually end up going back at some point, though that's not an absolute. I mean, really, how many times does someone need to play Pepsiman or Superman N64 to know how bad they are? 

But, let's analyze this a bit. Say I want to see if Deep Blue really is as bad as everybody says. Should I pirate it and play it on a flash cart? Personally, I'm against that and would rather spend the few dollars to buy the game and try it legitimately. I'm not going to say that the people that would d/load the ROM and try it that way are wrong, it's just not what I would do. Could I sell it once I'm done? Sure. But I don't need to. Maybe when I have more time, I'll come back around to it. Maybe not, but it doesn't make sense to me to buy something, try it, and then sell it again immediately. Personal preference, but it is how I have operated for a long time and it has served me very well to date.

Quote from: PunkCryborg on 12/01/2013, 05:20 PMWell you can't play all your games all the time, that's totally understandable. I too would love to own every pce shooter (or every pce game) and yeah there are lots of games that once you play through there's really not much desire to go back too. Heavy Unit, Legion, come on who really plays those games more than once. I don't think I'm denying anyone the chance to play those games as they are readily available online for sale to anyone who wants to get them.
Ah and here is a lot of wisdom. A person can only really play 1 game at a time, so why bother owning more than 1? Now I think everybody will agree that this is a ridiculous argument and nobody is going to buy a single game, play it, and sell it before buying another one. But as Punkic says, it's not like I'm keeping these games from anybody else. I'm buying a single copy out of, in most cases, tens of thousands to play and collect. If I were one of the guys buying up every copy of some particular game, you'd have a completely legit reason to be upset. But I'm not and I have less than zero interest in doing so.

I can only think of a very small handful of games where owning a single copy makes any sort of dent in the available stock, but maybe I'm mistaken. Is there something you are thinking of that would fit this case? Did my theoretical copy of Deep Blue prevent you from buying your own? How many copies would need to be purchased before you are truly denied a chance to own one? I suspect the number is high enough that it will never come to pass and honestly, could never actually happen based on the way a free market works.

Sorry you seem so upset about this, but I don't think you have any reason to be. Everybody collects for themselves and everybody does it the way that makes them happy, or at least works for their situation. That's the great thing about collecting games, there are so many different ways to do it and none of them are any more right or wrong than any other. You travel your path, I travel mine, and every other collector travels theirs. Perhaps we have some common interests and can help each other by sharing information or recommendations, or perhaps someone just gets upset and offends someone else. I've seen it both ways, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how it goes down. Everybody is going to acquire games the way that they want to and do with them what they please. It's a hobby and it should be for fun, nothing more.
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Quote from: Lochlan on 12/01/2013, 03:20 PM
Quote from: 98pacecar on 11/30/2013, 04:16 PMat a certain point there are titles that more or less end up as shelf filler
:(
I understand it's not a popular thing, but it's the reality of my available time to game anymore. With a 40+ hour a week job and a family to take care of, my time left for gaming is pretty limited compared to what it used to be. Have to take care of the important stuff before I worry about leisure time.

Sometimes I wish I had more time, but my job is what gives me the opportunity to attain the games I play and I know at some point, I will have more time and will have a nice library to dig into and enjoy. In the meantime, I'll almost always pick a title like Nexzr over a title like Deep Blue, so it stands to reason that Deep Blue will end up being filler. Not to say I won't ever try it again, but it will just have to wait until I have more time to spare.
#44
Quote from: guest on 11/30/2013, 12:22 PMHere you go. 100% legit:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GINGA-FUKEI-DENSETSU-SAPPHIRE-Galaxy-Policewoman-PC-Engine-ACD-JAPAN-Game-bbc-pe-/310737834941?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48596b13bd
Thanks for the heads up! I prefer to have spine and reg card on the nicer stuff when possible, so I may hold out for a more complete copy. But good to know they are out there and still available.

Quote from: pixeljunkie on 11/30/2013, 03:44 PMUgh. I hope you are gonna play them as well? So sick of all the "collectors" into games these days. My "ugh" isn't directed at you personally. Rather, it made me think about the state of the "scene". I just hope you are playing the games and not just sitting them on a shelf or in a case somewhere to rot. Could I use more "quotes"?
I'm largely a player, but at a certain point there are titles that more or less end up as shelf filler. I have a bit of OCD that compels me to collect all of them even if they are known to be terrible. I will try all of them at least a couple of times, but out of 110 titles I imagine I'll end up sticking to the top xx titles when I want my fix. Not to say I never go back and try others, but given a relatively small amount of time each week to game, some will just not get played as much as others.
#45
Quote from: Tatsujin on 11/29/2013, 08:19 PMlol, my 111th shewty in my count is in fact Cychorider on the seiya monogatari taikenban disc ;)
Aha!! Yours was the sig I saw with 111! Ok, I think now I know what I'm up against.

My only real concern at this point is getting a hold of a legit Sapphire without having to jump through hoops. I don't feel like I can trust buying one without having it in my hands and seeing for myself it's all good. I guess that one will be one of the last ones I end up with.
#46
Hidden mini games?? I loves me some hidden shmups! I'll have to add them to my list. Any others I should be aware of?
#47
That's really weird about Terra Cresta, but that's why I asked. I would have never thought it would be a tough one to get.

One more question, the list you pointed me to has 110 titles, but someone on here has 111 in their signature. Is there one that is not universally considered to be a shmup? Maybe a home-brew or something?
#48
Thanks for the list! That will help out a ton.

I had a feeling both Sylphia and Tatsujin would be tough to get. 1941 is the Supergrafx version, right? I haven't seen where there is a PCE version, but never know for sure. Coryoon is high on my list for a quick purchase.

I assume that the prices on Magical Chase PCE have been going up in response to the TG16 version being so costly? Might be a good one to pick up quick and hopefully avoid any more price spikes.

Terra Cresta II shocks me a bit, is there a reason it's hard to get?
#49
I'm a long time shmup collector who has finally started working on the PCE titles. I did a quick count last night and found I'm at 50 right now. My goal is to have the full run of, I believe, 111.

What I'm trying to figure out is what are the titles that are difficult to find? I'm not so worried about the expense of them, just want to know which ones I should jump on when the opportunity arises.

So far, I'm blown away by the quality of shmups on the PCE and disappointed in myself that it has taken me so long to get into them. Something I am fixing ASAP!
#50
I'm a newbie here, but have been diving into the PCE world with both feet. I'd like to be a part of this if possible.