Poll
Question:
Choose from there>>>>>
Option 1: Gaiares
Option 2: Thunder Force 3
Option 3: Thunder Force 4
Option 4: Musha (Aleste)
Option 5: Gleylancer
Option 6: Bio-Hazard Battle
Option 7: Steel Empire
Option 8: Sagaia
Option 9: Eliminate Down
Option 10: Super Fantasy Zone
Option 11: Hellfire
Option 12: Truxton
Option 13: Wings of Wor
Option 14: Fire Shark
Option 15: Raiden Trad
Option 16: Insector X
Option 17: Twinkle Tale
Option 18: Battle Mania
Option 19: Battle Mania 2
Option 20: Vapor Trail
Option 21: Slap Fight
Option 22: Air Buster (Aero Blaster)
Option 23: Zero Wing
Option 24: Thunder Force 2
Option 25: Atomic Robo Kid
Option 26: Inspector X
Option 27: Verytex
Option 28: Arrow Flash
Option 29: Elemental Master
Option 30: Whip Rush
Option 31: Undeadline
Option 32: AAF Mustang
So yeah! Choose according to your opinion, or opinion of your best friend.
For me-
Gaiares (Easily the best 16 bit shooter ever made, nothing can touch the brilliant level design of this. The difficulty is just perfect.)
Musha (Best Complie shooter)
Bio-Hazard Battle (really well made. Perfect combination of memorization and reflexes)
Truxton (Much more balanced)
Wings of Wor-GoDamn this is underrated!
I picked Bio-Hazard Battle, Steel Empire, and Wings of Wor since they are the only ones I have and have put some real time into. Of those three, I think Wings of Wor is my current Fav, but all 3 of them are a ton of fun.
why are there missing so may shooters?
Hmm robo aleste and kieo of flying squadron are missing from the poll :shock:
.......double posting
Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/07/2011, 11:33 PMwhy are there missing so may shooters?
which ones were you thinking? I included the best ones.
Quotend kieo of flying squadron are missing from the poll :shock:
These are for Sega cd and not for Sega Genesis or Megadrive.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/08/2011, 02:43 AMQuote from: Tatsujin on 09/07/2011, 11:33 PMwhy are there missing so may shooters?
which ones were you thinking? I included the best ones.
you included Raiden Trad, cummon?
So I also quite dig:
VV
Aero Blasters
Thunderforce 2
Zero Wing
Battle Mania
Battle Mania 2
Vapor Trail
Atomic Robo-Kid (hybrid)
etc.
No mention of Sol Feace/Deace. Not that it's a great game, but it's decent.
Gaiares and Thunder Force IV are probably amongst the top in my favorite-shooters-ever list (along with LoT and Spriggan), and Musha isn't far behind.
Where's Keranu to sing the praises of Insector X?
No Battle Mania Daiginjou?
No Twinkle Tale?
Fuck this poll.
No freaking Verytex? [-X That should definitely be on the list!
I would've also added Arrowflash, Elemental Master, Whip Rush, Kyūkyoku Tiger/Twin Cobra, Slap Fight, Undeadline,
US AAF Mustang, Viewpoint, and what others mentioned! You'd be surprised what others feel are their favorite shooters.
My personal vote is MUSHA Aleste. It might not be the best but it's my personal favorite.
Slap Fight MD mode thanks
Very nice choice Ope! Yuzo Koshiro did good on the music in that one. Great game!
Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/08/2011, 03:32 AMQuote from: ddd1234 on 09/08/2011, 02:43 AMQuote from: Tatsujin on 09/07/2011, 11:33 PMwhy are there missing so may shooters?
which ones were you thinking? I included the best ones.
you included Raiden Trad, cummon?
So I also quite dig:
VV
Aero Blasters
Thunderforce 2
Zero Wing
Battle Mania
Battle Mania 2
Vapor Trail
Atomic Robo-Kid (hybrid)
etc.
OK I added all those games. But what is wrong with Raiden for Sega??? It is a pretty solid port of the game.
Sure little details are removed and somethings simplified, But I like this port.
I have a history with Thunder Force 3, so I adore it. Even over Lightening Force, much to my fellow local gamers puzzlement. I also have not played enough of the R@REs (Gleylancer, Eliminate Down, etc) but I'm sure they're just peachy. Musha get's my #2 vote, Compile had me at Spriggian. I never got into Gaiares...bought it when it came out, beat it and traded it out. It's good, but I'd rather hold on to TF3/Musha.
dddd1234 -> Wonder what you think about Twin Cobra since you hate Dragon Saber so much. Check point shooters...blah...
Wasn't Tatsujin released on the Genesis/MD as well?
Quote from: farankoshan on 09/08/2011, 04:19 PMWasn't Tatsujin released on the Genesis/MD as well?
Yep. It's on the list as
Truxton (its US name).
Quote from: guest on 09/08/2011, 09:40 AMWhere's Keranu to sing the praises of Insector X?
:-"
(I wonder who added that game to the poll...)
Nice to see Arrow Flash on there. Not a grade A shooter, but I really liked the music so I have a soft spot for it.
Have a real soft spot for Thunder Force II, but voted for the epic Thunder Force IV!!!
Personally I think MD Musha Aleste is lame, PC Engine Spriggan is sooooo much better in every way!
ECCO THE DOLPHIN.
\o/
ark wins
ecco the dolphin is clearly a robotron ripoff
Quote from: majors on 09/08/2011, 04:11 PMdddd1234 -> Wonder what you think about Twin Cobra since you hate Dragon Saber so much. Check point shooters...blah...
I've finished this game before. Not too bad actually. At least they give you bombs.
Who uses bombs? [-X
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/08/2011, 01:30 PMBut what is wrong with Raiden for Sega??? It is a pretty solid port of the game.
Sure little details are removed and somethings simplified, But I like this port.
It's such a poor port. they used like 4 colors for the entire game :lol: , that is even too less for a genny game. therefore we also call it Raiden Fraud.
The PCE one looks so much better.
Come one...stop being so picky. The excellent playability is still there. I will be picking up copy of Genesis Raiden in the future for sure. I love the Genesis.
But why do some bosses take forever to kill???
T. Force IV is the best, but my favorite is Phelios. (NOT LISTED!?!?!) lol,
Yeah I forgot to mention that one TurboStar. Half the games on that list were recently put up there from my suggestions, and others. I see quite a few I suggested got a few votes from others. So that is good. Phelios is actually pretty good even on MD/Genesis. But since DDD hates Dragon Saber I doubt he'll put Phelios on there.
Gaiares, Wings of Wor and Phelioisoioisois man.
No Gadget Twins?
Quote from: geise on 09/09/2011, 11:02 AMBut since DDD hates Dragon Saber I doubt he'll put Phelios on there.
Hates Dragon Saber? That's too bad. Phelios is like an angelic sister shooter to the Dragon series.
No Curse or Grindstormer/V-V
this be another troll thread
Hell yeah, about time Phelios starts getting more love. That game rocks, plain and simple!
Quote from: Opethian on 09/09/2011, 04:12 PMNo Curse or Grindstormer/V-V
this be another troll thread
Grind stormer and curse? you kidding me. Curse is self explanatory (iz average), But G.S. is littered with flicker and slowdown. Has bad graphics when compared to the arcade version (why did they even try?). The whole thing is pretty ordinary. I guess you don't have much experience with shmups. Shoot me a PM so i can recommend shmups that will boost your standard. : )
"Curse is self explanatory (iz average), " but Raiden Trad is legendary? what are you smoking? your recommendation would only make my penis softer. nein danke!
Well Raiden is a classic you know. It came during the golden age of shooters (90s), and it's super addicting. G.S. came years after, and it's pretty average. no excuse.
yea the arcade version was classic. the MD and Jag are probably the worst ports. You would be amazed how much better it is on PS1...
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/09/2011, 09:24 PMWell Raiden is a classic you know. It came during the golden age of shooters (90s), and it's super addicting. G.S. came years after, and it's pretty average. no excuse.
We're not taking about Raiden, wer're talking about Genny Raiden :idea:
What is wrong with the genesis Raiden exactly? If it's the graphics, than play it on the system with dithering in affect (illusion of more colors).
I can't even call you guys gamers now, because you are basing a opinion on graphics alone. I keep telling you that the game play is intact and fun as ever.
As for being the worst port, Where do you place the Snes version with its flawed design. Not to mention the Lynx version.
SNES is worse as well, no doubts. the lynx one can't really be counted in.
but why playing the genny one, when there are much better ports around? even at its release time.
you were talking about the best of the best games in your poll, well raiden fraud certainly isn't one of them. but on the other hand you forgot about so many other goodies. rofllol.
So who's gonna call who no gamer now?
Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/09/2011, 10:12 PMSNES is worse as well, no doubts. the lynx one can't really be counted in.
but why playing the genny one, when there are much better ports around? even at its release time.
you were talking about the best of the best games in your poll, well raiden fraud certainly isn't one of them. but on the other hand you forgot about so many other goodies. rofllol.
So who's gonna call who no gamer now?
If you take the game based on its merits (forget better ports and all that crap), Raiden is one of the best shotoers on the Genesis. Nothing can take away from that.
What makes arrow flash, Whip rush, Curse, elemental master more deserving is beyond me.
and why play inferior port? Bcuz I bloody love Raiden and I wanna beat all the ports. :evil:
then buy my FM Towns port :D
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/09/2011, 10:33 PMand why play inferior port? Bcuz I bloody love Raiden and I wanna beat all the ports. :evil:
that's ok, but just because you like all raidens doesn't make genny raiden automatically a good game.
Like I said....game play is what matters and it's still there. Nothing is taken away from that. [-X
Why do you guys not get my point? Do I have to get Sega 16 folks over here.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/09/2011, 09:51 PMI can't even call you guys gamers now, because you are basing a opinion on graphics alone. I keep telling you that the game play is intact and fun as ever.
There are other ports which play just as well, if not better, and look better too.
Did teh Genesis version of Raiden have Blast Processing enabled does anyone know?
Quote from: OldRover on 09/10/2011, 02:28 PMQuote from: ddd1234 on 09/09/2011, 09:51 PMI can't even call you guys gamers now, because you are basing a opinion on graphics alone. I keep telling you that the game play is intact and fun as ever.
There are other ports which play just as well, if not better, and look better too.
we had that talk already rove, and it doesn't matter to him. he just keeps saying the old shit over and over again.
Bro you fail to see my point.
We are talking about SG shooters here, not superior ports.
If you consider this game in comparison to other shooters on the Genesis, It IS one of the best shooters on the system in terms of game play.
Take it for its merits. I will get another "superior ports/bad graphics" post I know. Now who is repeating shit over?
Its not that hard to understand what I am getting at.
Here I will present my thesis in clear words:-
In comparison to other Sega Genesis shooters, Raiden is one of the best shooters available for the system based on the game play alone, because we know game play is most important to real gamers.
If it still does not make any sense, I don't know what to do with u guys.
It's not hard to make a "best" shooter on that system when most of them blow anyway.
Gaiares, Musha, Thunder Force 3, Lightening Force, Glaylancer suck???
Drop the ego PC-engine fan.
Gaiares was my pick. That is one awesome shootie.
As for Raiden, the worst port is the Jaguar. Total Raiden Fraud. The SNES port would be after that, followed by the Genny. The TG port is, by far, the best.
Edit: The PS1 port would actually be the best. :-"
who has the ego now? all 5 games you mention are better than Raiden Fraud on MegaDrive
fraud??? huh???
Raiden is a shitty game to begin with. All ports of Raiden are shitty , basically because it is Raiden. The TG-16 version is a complete joke compared to the Playstation version, though. It's completely stretched, too. Looks very wrong. It's like watching a 4:3 TV show stretched to fit a 16:9 screen. Screw that.
No divine sealing?
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/10/2011, 04:28 PMGaiares, Musha, Thunder Force 3, Lightening Force, Glaylancer suck???
Drop the ego PC-engine fan.
Those are good games. However, I said "most" of them suck, and most of them do indeed suck. These are exceptions.
Drop the stupid MD fan.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/10/2011, 04:28 PMGaiares, Musha, Thunder Force 3, Lightening Force, Glaylancer suck???
Drop the ego PC-engine fan.
Drop the ego PC-engine fan? what are you here for? because if its anything else i think your in the wrong forum...... but if you want to be annoying and rude to everyone there is a place devoted to that. go here : http://neo-geo.com/forums/
I don't wanna talk about fighting games. ](*,) That is so 90s.
then why dont you take your sega talk to sega-16? you seem to like them alot.
all your doing here is aggravating the nice people at pcengine-fx.com....
I agree that most MD shooters are average or less quality. Hell, most MD games are average or less quality. But that can be said for EVERY system ever, including the PCE. Most PCE shooters are average or less quality as well. And by "average" I mean "nothing special".
Is "Inspector X" a different game than "Insector X?" I was only ever aware of "Insector X."
it was a sleeper game, went under the radar its like a mix of Inspector Gadget themed game similar to Alient Soldier. Good for a play or two.
Quote from: Opethian on 09/10/2011, 05:01 PMwho has the ego now? all 5 games you mention are better than Raiden Fraud on MegaDrive
I choose 5 games from the long list of SG shooters. So yeah Raiden is still better than most.
Quote from: Opethian on 09/11/2011, 03:10 PMit was a sleeper game, went under the radar its like a mix of Inspector Gadget themed game similar to Alient Soldier. Good for a play or two.
hahaha.
A friend of mine, bitd, was pretty big on Inspector X....I mean Insector X.
Ispector X is on Game gear...I saw it through google. I am not joking.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/11/2011, 03:21 PMIspector X is on Game gear...I saw it through google. I am not joking.
Wait...there's an Ispector X, too?
But why are we talking about other games here? We should talk about Sega Genesis shooters, and INSECTOR X.
http://youtu.be/ljr8K7yM9RI
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/11/2011, 03:28 PMBut why are we talking about other games here? We should talk about Sega Genesis shooters, and INSECTOR X.
Because your poll has both an "Insector X" option and an "Inspector X" option.
Oh well...just pretended it's insector X.
Super Fantasy Zone is one of the greatest 16-bit games in general. 8)
Never played it, but I would love to have it one day. The original FZ is a very fine shooter IMO.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/11/2011, 08:35 PMOh well...just pretended it's insector X.
Can I pretend that you're not a trolling maroon? Nope.
People should really stay on topic.
MUSHA=takes a monstrous shit on all shooters in existence.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/13/2011, 02:06 AMMUSHA=takes a monstrous shit on all shooters in existence.
Nope, no trolling here. :roll:
I can think of at least a dozen shooters that are more fun that
MUSHA.
MUSHA isn't even the best Aleste game...
It's still a damn fine game! O:)
Quote from: guest on 09/13/2011, 10:45 AMQuote from: ddd1234 on 09/13/2011, 02:06 AMMUSHA=takes a monstrous shit on all shooters in existence.
Nope, no trolling here. :roll:
I can think of at least a dozen shooters that are more fun that MUSHA.
You can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/13/2011, 11:43 AMYou can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
See ya? Is he coming over to your place Necro?
MUSHA is actually one of the only Genny shooters I can tolerate. That and Sylpheed.
It's a good game for sure, but ironically enough it takes out the ever changing A.I. of Compile's other games,
meaning you can memorize your way through it. Which is basically how Dragon Saber works....
At first I thought ddd was a troll. But the truth is quite clear now, he's just le dumb.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/13/2011, 11:43 AMYou can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
Strange, nowhere near 90% of Sega fans (http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?88-Favorite-genesis-shooter&highlight=shooter) seem to think it's even the best Genny shooter, much less the best shooter on any platform.
Tons of love for MUSHA there, but yeah, probably not 90% hehe.
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/13/2011, 11:43 AMYou can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
OMHFS!! This isn't even entertaining anymore.
It's like S.D. said: it's certainly a damn fine shootie but hardly the greatest ever.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/13/2011, 12:07 PMQuote from: ddd1234 on 09/13/2011, 11:43 AMYou can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
OMHFS!! This isn't even entertaining anymore.
HAHAHAHAHA! What the hell is OMHFS? Oh my hell fuck shit? Oh my holy fuck shit?
OMHFS?
http://youtu.be/6axKI_9b120
I think I found his YT channel
he meant SHUMPS guys!! SHUMPS!
Quote from: geise on 09/13/2011, 02:36 PMQuote from: Tatsujin on 09/13/2011, 12:07 PMQuote from: ddd1234 on 09/13/2011, 11:43 AMYou can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
OMHFS!! This isn't even entertaining anymore.
HAHAHAHAHA! What the hell is OMHFS? Oh my hell fuck shit? Oh my houly fucking shit?
damn close :P
MUSHA is a great game, but not quite the greatest shooter ever made. Hell, it's not even the greatest Compile shooter.
I personally enjoy Blazing Lazers and Spriggan more.
Spriggan is clearly above most compile stuff and one of the greatest shewties ever. Period.
I love Spriggan. The weapon combos are so amazing. I also like how Super Aleste/Space Megaforce used some of the weapons found in Blazing Lazers/Gunhed. My favorite compile shooters go Spriggan, Blazing Lazers/Gunhed, ZanacXZanac, MUSHA Aleste, Super Aleste/Space Megaforce
Real men play Compile's MSX shooters. E.I. , Zanac, Zanac EX, Aleste, Aleste Gaiden, Aleste 2
good stuff, but no spriggan.
Spriggan is great indeed, but kinda easy. Aleste 2 on "crazy mode" takes insane skill to even survive the stage 1 mid-point boss.
Actually SuperD, real men play TimeGal on LA right? :D
of course, as well as VC2. But those aren't shooters...
How is VC2 compared to the pc98 version? :D
No idea, but I'd assume the LD version would have the better quality video,
which is the whole point really.
Quote from: nat on 09/13/2011, 11:12 PMMUSHA is a great game, but not quite the greatest shooter ever made. Hell, it's not even the greatest Compile shooter.
I personally enjoy Blazing Lazers and Spriggan more.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/14/2011, 12:52 AMSpriggan is clearly above most compile stuff and one of the greatest shewties ever. Period.
So much truth in them thar quotes. ...So much. [-(
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 09/14/2011, 08:00 PMof course, as well as VC2. But those aren't shooters...
I'm pretty sure some people "shoot" after playing VC2
And by that I mean shoot pictures of course. What were you thinking? :-"
ropes...
Contra was a good shooter.
I've always been partial to the Thunder Force games. But, I'd consider Gunstar Heroes a shooter and that's no on the list....
I'd consider Gunstar Heroes a run-n-gun, which I suppose is a "subgenre" of shooters.
Recently bought a copy of Musha Aleste and Gaiares... Two great shooters!!
Also, would you consider games like FZ Axis and Ganada to be shooters? They are a bit different I suppose, but two great games. Love pretty much anything by Wolf Team.
No Wings of Wor or Phelios = I don't vote.
Why did Sol Deace/Feace not get added to the list?
I just ordered a copy of Lightening Force. I hear it may be the best on the system. I have TF2 and 3.
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 11/01/2011, 01:55 PMI just ordered a copy of Lightening Force. I hear it may be the best on the system. I have TF2 and 3.
Lightening Force is really cool, but I prefer Thunder Force III as I like its music better. I don't much care for the scrolling screen in Lightening Force either. This reminds me...I still need to get a box for my copy of LF.
Ok wait I am blind, Wings of Wor is on the list.
BUT WHERE IS PHELIOS.
I really liked Phelios.
Phelios is one of the weirdest ports I've ever seen. Why did Namco even bother to attempt to port that? Should have just made a sequal, or spinoff.
Silence! It's fun and I like it.
Who cares if its all derpy.
I recently picked up Phelios at a local resale shop. I played it quite a bit, and I really enjoy it. And it is certainly derpy- it doesn't feel like other vertical shooters... but it is fun to play, pretty hard, and has a neat art style. I especially like the NES-grade skeleton warriors.
Super Fantasy Zone
Thunder Force IV
Battle Mania 2
Bio-Hazard Battle
Musha
Undeadline
Gleylancer
Twinkle Tale
they all got my vote :)