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Seriously, there's a lot of bullshit going on here lately and it would be nice if some of the moderators were a bit more loose with the "Ban Hammer." There are at least a few people who only come here to stir up shit and act like assholes, in some sort of pathetic internet dick-wagging. Give them a temporary ban, or get 'em out for good.

Hell, if nothing else, make me a mod and let me clean house. I've been here for a good decade. Let's get nuts. I'll go Judge Dredd on these douchebags.

This have anything to do with ole Xrays giant rant he posted today where he comes clean about his "beliefs" as it were?

That's just the latest in a series of idiotic bullshit that's been posted here lately for no other reason than to piss people off.

I normally don't get involved in this sort of thing, honestly. I feel like a bit of a putz for letting it bother me at all. But like I said, I've been involved in these forums for a long-ass time and can't remember it ever being this bad. Fucking nerd/troll/jerkoffs pissing on other people's good time.

I found xray's useless post amusing it just makes him look even worse.

Quote from: guest on 09/30/2012, 04:34 PMThat's just the latest in a series of idiotic bullshit that's been posted here lately for no other reason than to piss people off.

I normally don't get involved in this sort of thing, honestly. I feel like a bit of a putz for letting it bother me at all. But like I said, I've been involved in these forums for a long-ass time and can't remember it ever being this bad. Fucking nerd/troll/jerkoffs pissing on other people's good time.

I waffle between "ban 'em all!" and "let the assholes speak!". Ultimately, I support banning because there's no way to permanently get rid of anyone anyway. Might as well trigger bullies' inferiority complex by making them feel excluded and having some laughs when they're forced to create new accounts and spoof their IP, becoming increasingly pissed off.

Same thing with moving threads. Sometimes I wish all of the derailed topics would be tossed into Fighting Street on a regular basis; other times I enjoy seeing the latest nazi/pedo/gouger defense at the top of the sales forum and chuckling to myself as I imagine what the hell lurkers and newcomers must think.

I've been to gaming forums though where the mods are ban crazy and the environment is probably worse that way though then us dealing with the knuckleheads we get vigilante style.

Quote from: PunkCryborg on 09/30/2012, 08:49 PMI've been to gaming forums though where the mods are ban crazy and the environment is probably worse that way though then us dealing with the knuckleheads we get vigilante style.

I prefer a more relaxed environment.  However if someone posted a desktop like xrays on my forum I'd ban the guy.  That sh#t's just gross.

yeah i don't think hate speech or images should be tolerated on a forum that has an international user base

Honorable mention Fenix for posting my personal information on a public forum and regal sin for making my brain go potty.

You know I remember an internet that was wild and free, instead of sealed and closed like the vagina of a feminist. You know like a sex hunger milf or a sports woman. Damn I miss that athletic instructor.

Quote from: RegalSin on 09/30/2012, 11:12 PMYou know I remember an internet that was wild and free, instead of sealed and closed like the vagina of a feminist. You know like a sex hunger milf or a sports woman. Damn I miss that athletic instructor.

Feminist vaginas actually tend to be rather open, what with the whole concept of sexual freedom and empowerment.  You clearly need to do more research!

I think you mean once the police found your illegal activities they shut it down.

Quote from: RegalSin on 09/30/2012, 11:12 PMYou know I remember an internet that was wild and free, instead of sealed and closed like the vagina of a feminist. You know like a sex hunger milf or a sports woman. Damn I miss that athletic instructor.

I don't want the mods to be militant - I just want them to do their fucking jobs.  People like ninnypants, regal, and xray repeatedly break the rules, yet they're given a free pass; so one can only assume that there are no rules.  Feel free to attack anyone and everyone, post pr0n pics, and link to isos and what not.  Free range, motherfuckers!

I like pr0n. More pr0n on the forum plzkthx.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/01/2012, 01:58 PMI don't want the mods to be militant - I just want them to do their fucking jobs.  People like ninnypants, regal, and xray repeatedly break the rules, yet they're given a free pass; so one can only assume that there are no rules.  Feel free to attack anyone and everyone, post pr0n pics, and link to isos and what not.  Free range, motherfuckers!

Agreed.

The problem is, we have basically 1 moderator who doesn't pay attention to about 70% of what goes on.

Well the PCE enviorment is clean and slovent right now, because it is a 2d system that heads on with the Saturn. I hope it stays that way for a long time. Some users are obviously not universal, or well balanced. You know one time kinda five second attention span, and all.

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/01/2012, 05:11 PMThe problem is, we have basically 1 moderator who doesn't pay attention to about 70% of what goes on.

I'd say you're being generous at 70%, but yeah.  And while I can't speak directly for the older members that are no longer active, I've no doubt the lack of moderation played its part in their waning interest; reading a bunch of personal attacks, wildly off topic bull, redundant threads, and the same wtb posts being bumped every few days gets rather tiring, yet this type of behavior isn't discouraged at all.  And if one has the temerity to complain, they're told to ignore it.

im tired of seeing the dude that posted above you NecroPhile spam the boards with nonsense, makes me not want to read the threads he's posted in anymore

He probably wouldn't appreciate me mentioning him, so I won't, but there was a member here that I liked, thought was a cool guy and asked him why he deleted his account here when I found him elsewhere and he noted some of what NecroPhile said.

Who was the video game "rapper" guy that was apparently obnoxious ? I don't know who he's referring to, but he said he was one of the dudes that ruined the forums for him. Oddly enough, he said he remembered Nintega as just a buffoon, harmless, that never really bothered him.

Anyhow, I'm not a model citizen here, but I thought it was morally justifiable to go after Xray in more public threads the way in which some of us did. With RegalSin, wow, I really changed my mind about him and kinda just want him gone... But, it wouldn't be entirely for the right reasons. The guy is making me sick the way he keeps trying to minimize the outrage of Xray and taking little snipes at those of us that felt we did the right thing to stop the guy from making money around here given his background. Hell, to spare our military any unneeded embarrassment, I'd delete the fact that Xray says he was in it...that was my first thought when I read that, our troops don't need the bad PR that comes from his situation after all that... Not good!

I know I take tangents in a thread, but sometimes it's just a sort of 'why not?' feeling and viewing things like a chatroom setting where it's normal. Sometimes it makes things more interesting, but I understand the opposition to it.

Well, has anybody in this thread ever seriously volunteered to become a moderator or ?? If the feeling is the current mods aren't doing enough, let's add some more or is it very hard to earn a spot around here ?

That's too militant for me.  I don't mind stuff getting bumpbed or off topic as long as the conversation's fun.  Personal attacks should get removed with a warning over pm or something.

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Quote from: guest on 10/01/2012, 05:11 PMThe problem is, we have basically 1 moderator who doesn't pay attention to about 70% of what goes on.

I'd say you're being generous at 70%, but yeah.  And while I can't speak directly for the older members that are no longer active, I've no doubt the lack of moderation played its part in their waning interest; reading a bunch of personal attacks, wildly off topic bull, redundant threads, and the same wtb posts being bumped every few days gets rather tiring, yet this type of behavior isn't discouraged at all.  And if one has the temerity to complain, they're told to ignore it.

Here is what upsets me more than even an xray or a regalsin: Those of us who went after xray in the beginning were told we were drama queens and needed to back off. It did not take long for his real side to be exposed (Mostly thanks to mike who was also shit on for doing it). Some of those who called us drama queens were long standing well known members of the community. Thats how bad some people wanted his signs. I don't know of any of those people who have come back and said "alright, we made a mistake, the guy was a dirt bag and got his". People like these two come and go. And as Punknic said we have a kind of vigilante style that usually removes the garbage. Threads would not go off into wild pissing contests nearly as much if we were not having this huge influx of asshats hell bent on stirring the shit. But when they do get here, if moderators don't deal with them, then someone has to, or allow them to run free. The people that usually deal with them are not regarded as doing the community a favor, they often get called drama queens. Just my two cents on the issue. I have no doubt that some of you will not like what i have said, buy honestly, a good chunk of the community now is in agreement that xray was way off base. And a good portion are tired of regalsin polluting every thread he can get his hands on unabated.

There has been numerous threads on wanting/needing more mods....even names thrown around.  Sadly it usually dies off pretty quick.

On the modded by bacteria forum my friend exposed a modder for providing terrible service with basically no communication for months.  I added my own personal experiences to help expose this guy.  Next thing I knew I was being accused of generating hate and they threatened to ban me for posting all my bad experiences dealing with that guy.  I left that forum voluntarily because I couldn't believe how non seriously they take someone messing with hundreds of dollars worth of my friend's hardware.  What I posted wasn't hateful, it was my personal experiences hiring that guy.  I had a lot of bad things to point out about his service because frankly it had been terrible, but I wanted other people to be fairly warned.

So I think I can understand how you feel.

Quote from: HercTNT on 10/01/2012, 07:49 PMHere is what upsets me more than even an xray or a regalsin: Those of us who went after xray in the beginning were told we were drama queens and needed to back off. It did not take long for his real side to be exposed (Mostly thanks to mike who was also shit on for doing it). Some of those who called us drama queens were long standing well known members of the community. Thats how bad some people wanted his signs. I don't know of any of those people who have come back and said "alright, we made a mistake, the guy was a dirt bag and got his". People like these two come and go. And as Punknic said we have a kind of vigilante style that usually removes the garbage. Threads would not go off into wild pissing contests nearly as much if we were not having this huge influx of asshats hell bent on stirring the shit. But when they do get here, if moderators don't deal with them, then someone has to, or allow them to run free. The people that usually deal with them are not regarded as doing the community a favor, they often get called drama queens. Just my two cents on the issue. I have no doubt that some of you will not like what i have said, buy honestly, a good chunk of the community now is in agreement that xray was way off base. And a good portion are tired of regalsin polluting every thread he can get his hands on unabated.

Quote from: HercTNT on 10/01/2012, 07:49 PMHere is what upsets me more than even an xray or a regalsin: Those of us who went after xray in the beginning were told we were drama queens and needed to back off. It did not take long for his real side to be exposed (Mostly thanks to mike who was also shit on for doing it). Some of those who called us drama queens were long standing well known members of the community. Thats how bad some people wanted his signs. I don't know of any of those people who have come back and said "alright, we made a mistake, the guy was a dirt bag and got his". People like these two come and go. And as Punknic said we have a kind of vigilante style that usually removes the garbage. Threads would not go off into wild pissing contests nearly as much if we were not having this huge influx of asshats hell bent on stirring the shit. But when they do get here, if moderators don't deal with them, then someone has to, or allow them to run free. The people that usually deal with them are not regarded as doing the community a favor, they often get called drama queens. Just my two cents on the issue. I have no doubt that some of you will not like what i have said, buy honestly, a good chunk of the community now is in agreement that xray was way off base. And a good portion are tired of regalsin polluting every thread he can get his hands on unabated.

I agree 100%.

And if the only reason that we don't have better moderation around here is that no one wants to do it, then fuck it, I'll do it.  Redifer seems like a cool dude, but maybe he's too busy with Game Sack to give a shit about this place.  Isn't he also a mod on Sega-16?  Someone needs to moderate this place who actually reads all of the new posts every day and keeps up with everything.

Chris

tats for mod

I've bitched about this plenty before, though probably entirely in chat. Joe seems like a good guy, but I honestly think he made a poor decision with Ark a while ago and hasn't had the balls to wield the ban hammer since then. I really wish he'd step up to the plate, but if not I'll throw my support behind getting some new mods here. I think DragonmasterDan and BlackTiger would make great mods. NecroPhile and SignOfZeta would be awesome too.

Yeah, we can continue with the vigilante approach but that doesn't always work. I'm not saying we need to ban every noob asking for price checks on shit but goddammit, how much shit are we willing to let fly here? It's really disappointing. I fucking love this site and there's still a lot of people doing great things here. But the fact that everything goes unchecked here really wears on my desire to spend time here and I know I'm not alone.

I'll moderate.


flamewar shenanigans will get stripped out and sent to fighting street so only the tough guys can come hang.


complete jackasses will just get banned and have their user name forum rank thing changed to "Dicktoucher"

How I would love to be a mod here.  I even messaged Aaron about it, but never got a response.   I honestly think he just has lost interest in the site.  :(

The problem with moderating is that you can't really win.  So I've decided to stop giving a fuck.  Yeah I'll still take care of shit here and there, but I find that the community here pretty much does the job of ostracizing anyone in need of being ostracized.  When Nintega pops back up, I usually let the community have their fun for a day or two before I boot him.  And I approve new members in giant clusters.  But otherwise, I don't give a shit because it's really not worth giving a shit about.  You all could post hard core porn in the TurboGrafx section and I wouldn't do a damned thing.  And Nat's 100% useless.  Keranu's even more useless than that.  And believe it or not, Aaron tops them both in uselessness on this forum.  So we might as well just follow Keranu's mantra of "don't do shit... ever".  Well, mostly.

I tried to alter your account to make you a mod, Arkhan, but I don't seem to have that ability.  I can change your username and other shit like ultima end cap plus four and nonsense like that but I can't change your "rank".

Sadly Joe, I can actually see your point.  I wonder if Aaron would be willing to let the site go to someone else.   Hell, I'd buy it if it wasn't too high on the pay scale.

Quote from: Sadler on 10/02/2012, 12:03 AMI've bitched about this plenty before, though probably entirely in chat. Joe seems like a good guy, but I honestly think he made a poor decision with Ark a while ago and hasn't had the balls to wield the ban hammer since then. I really wish he'd step up to the plate, but if not I'll throw my support behind getting some new mods here. I think DragonmasterDan and BlackTiger would make great mods. NecroPhile and SignOfZeta would be awesome too.

The problem with that is you'd need to find people with thick skin who can tend to be totally impartial, who have proven to be so when the shit hits the fan. Some you have mentioned there obviously would not be, and you'd risk them using any mod abilities they have to resolve their own petty squabbles, which I can guarantee will happen.

Yeah, I sure would.

lol.

but it would be pretty hilarious probably.


I vote BlueBMW be a moderator.   That dude's pretty mellow

Quote from: guest on 10/02/2012, 09:44 AMYeah, I sure would.

lol.

but it would be pretty hilarious probably.


I vote BlueBMW be a moderator.   That dude's pretty mellow

I second BlueBMW. I also nominate Arkhan as well. Its a shame that the current mods can't promote anyone to a mod here.

NecroPhile for mod all the way, he reads everything, calls out the morons already, hosts the christmas exchange, is the top poster and has been aroud for a long time. In fact he's pretty much the unnofficial mod here already like the Robocop. BMW is and Dragonmasterdan are too nice and wouldn't want anyone to argue.
Keranu is cool, I've asked him to move threads and such and he has. Joe, I understand where you are coming from taking a stance of letting things just work themselves out. The one thing though I think would be helpful making this place a little better is if the threads that get out of hand get moved to fighting street so they are only viewable to members.

Can I be a vigilante mod?

I don't care which one of you is moderator. But I'll cast my vote for whomever promises to ban RegalSin immediately.

I vote Regal off the island.  Ark must now label him accordingly.

http://youtu.be/YqJNgAP2QnU?t=78

I was an Admin for many years on a Friends automotive site and I was very harsh towards the same sort of Bullshit we are seeing here.  I still have access but i gave up for many of the reasons Joe mentioned.  Your core group of regulars who make up the site hold a good amount of respect for the Admins & mods; new guys want to tell you to go fu&* yourself.  You can ban them then spend the next month patrolling every new IP that comes through the door.  Hell I even disabled the open registry many times to stop that type of person.  That was all fine and dandy till some of the regulars started to think they could be the same way towards idiot newbies.  So now what do you do?  You have to treat everyone fair and frankly the OG guys didn't like the same Ban Hammer they originally wanted.  Another friend took over the reins and he is the same way I was only with a lot less experience/knowledge.  I can already see him getting the way I felt.  Its very difficult and some people do enjoy it but a great deal of regulars I promoted to Mods had difficulty dealing with their "friends" as a Moderator or on the flip side some people spent so much time watching the board that their activity grew stagnant.

Everyone wants to be a Moderator but they dont want to do the necessary work and PR required to actually keep the site smooth.  Some people have to be coddled and finessed and others told to go take a long walk off a short pier.  Be too harsh and the community will dwindle a lot, too condescending and you have people thinking they can tell you to go stick it up your a$$.  You end up devoting a great deal of time to reading all the posts you just dont want to.  As an admin i monitored access statistics to make sure all mods were holding up their end of the workload and I was always on someones ass or retiring people.

I still maintain my Admin login to 2GNT.com but I will admit the site has dropped 50% activity in the past 5 years.  Its hard to blame it on harsh moderating but I would say it is safe to say that had something to do with it.

One thing i am trying to get at here is that you guys need to understand its very difficult to please everyone and you have to accept the work the Mods do without bitching.  There is a "report" button on every post.  Use it.

Terry

I think all most of us want is moderating for "severe" cases.  Also, people complain about it but the ignore function works wonders and cleans up the board for you.

I'm not asking for drastic action. Just...some action. Ignore button or no, there's no debate that RegalSin makes coming here a less-enjoyable experience for just about everyone; at least for those who don't find some strange amusement in his idiocy. And I would guess he probably scares off newcomers as well.

I've been a moderator on a few forums in the past. Honestly, I enjoyed it. Sure, there's the lame internet drama you have to deal with, but I took pride in keeping the place clean and making it a nice place for people to visit. I've been a member here for nearly a decade, and would be happy to give moderating this place a shot, but it seems like the one or two mods who actually spend any time here don't even have the ability to assign moderator privileges.

Quote from: PunkCryborg on 10/02/2012, 11:34 AMThe one thing though I think would be helpful making this place a little better is if the threads that get out of hand get moved to fighting street so they are only viewable to members.

Not that I disagree, but the problem with that is that topics would have to be split with a new thread being created with just the "out of hand" posts because often the topic is a good one and the whole thing shouldn't be moved.  I don't have a lot of time for this and when I do I'm just too lazy.  I also don't frequent the Sales forums which seem to be a major cause of a lot of, err... distress.  I like having access so I can approve members and tend to needs like that but an active mod who takes care of the babysitting would be VERY welcome.  Over at Sega-16 I just take care of administrative tasks now (adding features to the forum, etc) while someone else does the babysitting and I enjoy the forums SO much more now without having to worry about that.

I can talk to Aaron.

I agree with jlued686.  I think that a big reason that people are suddenly unhappy with the moderation here is that Regal has been allowed to run rampant.  He derails every thread that he posts in, and I feel like he's posting more often.  Xray also should have been dealt with.  Joe, I understand that you're an unmotivated moderator, and I appreciate your honesty, but if you would just ban the extreme cases like the two that I mentioned, then I think that the board regulars will take care of the rest of the riff-raff ourselves.  Maybe we just need to start "ban, please" threads here in FS, and if its obvious that the majority of regulars want the person gone, then we can PM Joe to make him aware of the thread, and he can ban the person if he sees fit.

Chris

Quote from: tggodfrey on 10/02/2012, 02:30 PMOne thign i am trying to get at here is that you guys need to understand its very diffcult to please everyone and you have to accept the work the Mods do without bitching. 

That's bull.  I'd much rather people speak up and try to get things changed, as the alternative is that good, contributing members quit coming around and the site gets overrun by clowns pimping their OMG R4R3 eBay auctions and begging for help finding the last five or six games they absolutely must have for their four-month-old, nearly complete, US collection.

Quote from: tggodfrey on 10/02/2012, 02:30 PMThere is a "report" button on every post.  Use it.

You're kidding, right?  The point being made here is that nothing happens when a post is reported.

Quote from: Bernie on 10/02/2012, 02:10 AMI wonder if Aaron would be willing to let the site go to someone else.   Hell, I'd buy it if it wasn't too high on the pay scale.

I would guess even if Aaron isn't involved in the site much these days he'd want to keep it since he put so many years into it.

I got bored of regalsin's posts, you can ban him.

I'd have to be notified in the extreme cases and I don't recall getting any notices.  If someone did report a post/thread and I didn't respond, then I apologize for that.  I get a lot of reports from Sega-16 which I ignore since someone else does the babysitting and I may have just ignored the one from PCEFX out of habit.  But still, we should have a more active mod.  Who would be willing to do this?  Like I said, I can talk to Aaron about it and he can do the promotion.

Regal Sin hasn't done anything ban-worthy yet.  He's just creepy.

Just wanted to thank you Joe; I was probably too harsh in my post. I understand what it's like to be in that position and it's most certainly a thankless job. I appreciate what you do here and more so, I appreciate that you are willing to recognize your limitations and do what you can to fix the situation.

My votes for mods remain the same. Are SoZ and NecroPhile brutally harsh at times? Yep. I've gotten into it at some level with both of them. I do think they are both mature enough to see the difference between a stupid forum argument and something ban-worthy. I still think DragonmasterDan and BlackTiger would be good mods as well. Ideally I'd like to see any and all of them who are willing to take the position as mods. I think they'd balance each other out well. If they aren't willing I can think of many others that I think would do a great job (Bernie, I'm looking at you :D ).

If you really stop and think about it, then you'll realize that I'm obviously the only suitable candidate for moderator.

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/02/2012, 08:48 PMI'd have to be notified in the extreme cases and I don't recall getting any notices.  If someone did report a post/thread and I didn't respond, then I apologize for that.  I get a lot of reports from Sega-16 which I ignore since someone else does the babysitting and I may have just ignored the one from PCEFX out of habit.  But still, we should have a more active mod.  Who would be willing to do this?  Like I said, I can talk to Aaron about it and he can do the promotion.

Regal Sin hasn't done anything ban-worthy yet.  He's just creepy.

I would be willing to do it. I've been here 9 years and come here nearly every day, multiple times/day.

Regarding bannings, after about the 10th or 11th time Xray referred to somebody as a "faggot" I started hitting the "Report to moderator" button. Must've done it about three or four times, yet he remains.

Regal hasn't done anything ban-worth? I'd beg to differ. I know this is "Fighting Street" and there are supposedly no rules, but going the kiddie porn route is really out of line...to put it mildly. And outside of that, the guy does his best to derail every conversation he enters. He's an all-around nuisance and makes people not want to come here.

Regalsin swears a lot, is racist, and rude.  He adds nothing useful to the conversations that he posts in and he adds nothing useful to the community.  And he shows no sign of stopping that stuff.  Add all that up and I think it's pretty ban worthy.  I don't mind if you give him warning pms to make it fair.  But something tells me no amount of warnings will make him stop.

What about the fact that 19 people are ignoring him? One of the forum rules is keeping things on topic and he goes way out of his way to derail every thread.

I'm not militant enough to care about people being off topic.

Quote from: PunkCryborg on 10/02/2012, 11:12 PMWhat about the fact that 19 people are ignoring him? One of the forum rules is keeping things on topic and he goes way out of his way to derail every thread.

Quote from: Drakon on 10/02/2012, 11:11 PMRegalsin swears a lot

I don't fucking care.

Quote...is racist...

THIS I care about, and it's explicitly against forum rules.

Quoteand rude.

Don't have a problem with this.

QuoteHe adds nothing useful to the conversations that he posts in and he adds nothing useful to the community.  And he shows no sign of stopping that stuff.  Add all that up and I think it's pretty ban worthy.  I don't mind if you give him warning pms to make it fair.  But something tells me no amount of warnings will make him stop.

This I totally agree with. Look, the guy's a troll. Everything he posts is a dumb ass act to elicit a negative response. His singular purpose is to piss people off, and he's quite accomplished at it. The very fact that he gets more coherent the more upset he gets is evidence of this. He's useless and I don't understand why anyone here thinks his posts are insightful. Regal and gunmetalhed at the other site are the only two people I've broken down and ignored.

Quote from: RegalSin on 10/02/2012, 10:37 PMThat rag has make up and all kinds of stuff done to her.  A tight arse bitch who needs to be put into her place

and sexist

I thought regalsin had some charm when he would show up periodically to drop harmless non-sequiturs in otherwise routine threads. It kept me on my toes. I'm one of the ones ignoring him now, though. Whether he's real or fake, the whole kiddy porn thing should have forced some kind of resolution. At the very least, it should have been a one-time occurrence and then back to normal programming. Instead, it's like a plague is spreading.

Right now, we're trying to passively ostracize him, and that's bullshit. It seems like a pretty clear-cut case here. If I were a mod, I would have warned him weeks ago, and otherwise likely have banned him by now.

I have warned Regal Sin weeks ago. If he ever starts the pedo stuff again, someone let me know and I'll ban him. Otherwise I'd hate to ban the guy, he's hilarious. I don't know how anyone could possibly be offended by his random moon language babble!

finding him hilarious does not make up for the fact he basically violates most the rules of these forums the second he started talking pedo shit he should have been gone, the constant racist rants is just icing on the cake. would anyone else be allowed to make the same statements regal makes, or do we entertain him just because we thing he's nuts? two wrongs don't make a right.

Please ban Regal.  That's what he wants anyway.  Another notch in his personal wiki of douchebaggery.

I'd vote NecroPhile as well if he wanted to do it.  He doesn't fall on either side of the extreme to nice or to mean, seems to keep his emotions out of it so he won't use it for a personal vendetta or power trip (like 90% of the rest of us) and is extremely active on the site.

NecroPhile is the obvious choice.  He's intelligent and sensible.  He hangs around the site like all day long and participates in lots of discussions.  He's respected by new members and us old codgers alike.  And the fact that he's actually knowledgeable about the TG-16/PCE bolsters his status in the community.

Quote from: Sadler on 10/02/2012, 11:31 PMLook, the guy's a troll. Everything he posts is a dumb ass act to elicit a negative response. His singular purpose is to piss people off, and he's quite accomplished at it. The very fact that he gets more coherent the more upset he gets is evidence of this.

I've noticed this as well. He starts making sense when people stop being all like O_o with his posts. Ignore it and he'll go away. Don't give him what he wants. He does nothing to take away from my enjoyment of the site.  Guy is just weird with obvious problems

Oh, and I'd vote NecroPhile as well for mod.

 I think I'd actually be good as I read most threads, but I'm too lazy to post a lot, and ultimately would probably be lazy as a mod  :P

NecroPhile 4 mod. crystal clear case.

Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/03/2012, 08:35 AMNecroPhile 4 mod. crystal clear case.

Spending a good chunk of time around here doesn't necessarily mean he'd want that responsibility, I know I wouldn't.

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 12:20 AMI have warned Regal Sin weeks ago. If he ever starts the pedo stuff again, someone let me know and I'll ban him. Otherwise I'd hate to ban the guy, he's hilarious. I don't know how anyone could possibly be offended by his random moon language babble!

"Pedo stuff" gets a warning? Really? C'mon, Keranu. And it's obvious that you're in the minority finding him "hilarious". Racist/sexist ranting, with the occasional "pedo stuff" sure isn't hilarious to me.

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 12:20 AMI have warned Regal Sin weeks ago. If he ever starts the pedo stuff again, someone let me know and I'll ban him. Otherwise I'd hate to ban the guy, he's hilarious. I don't know how anyone could possibly be offended by his random moon language babble!

That's all fine and dandy you find Regal hilarious, but being a mod you need to see how it affects the forum as a whole.  If majority of the forum has a problem with it, well...then there might be a problem.

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but as of late Regal has gotten out of hand.  If you've warned him multiple times and he's blatantly ignoring you and he keeps doing what he's doing (which he has) then something should probably be done.

Personally, I think he's utterly full of shit. Think about it, he prides himself in getting banned from sites all around the interwebs; what better MO than a racist incoherent pedo to get the job done? I'd ban him for just being a fucking loser at life.

I'm willing to be a mod.  For the record, the only people I'd ban are regal for racist/sexist comments and for being consistently off topic (worse than Kitsune ever was), xray for continued use of 'faggot', and ninnypants just for being ninny.

NecroPhile, you should've been a mod a long time ago.

I want to be a moderator too.

I'd only ban people for reselling our homrewbobs for way too much.

bwahahhahahaehurhrrhrurhrurrrr

My post still stands: if RegalSin has made any recent pedo posts, notify me of them and I will ban him. As far as I know, he's cut it out since I sent him a PM about it but since I only read maybe 5% of the forum I wouldn't really know.

People also have to stop giving trolls energy to feed off of, that is exactly what keeps them going in the first place. If I were to ban every troll here it would only encourage them to keep coming back again and again like Nintega. Yes they are assholes, but talking like an asshole back is only adding fuel to the fire.

One other thing that has bothered me about this forum are the so called "veteran" members that won't give newbies a chance to stick around. We were all once n00bs, there is no reason to bark at them if they aren't aware of PCE etiquette or don't know how to use the search tool, etc.. etc... Just cut them some slack, OK?

The reason I don't read most of them forum is not because of these trolls or n00bs, but because of the general attitude of some of the members that have been around here for years. It's gotten as bad as the Neo-Geo forum.

The pedo posts were on Fighting Street, so you should be warning him of an impending ban for going repeatedly off topic and using racial/sexual slurs (a.k.a. - things that are actually against the rules).

I warned RegalSin about pedophilia on September 9th, so if anyone can find any pedo-related posts after that date, your wish is my command :) .

Otherwise I don't do bans, I'll leave that to the other mods. The only reason I'm making an exception for RegalSin is because it may become a liability issue for Aaron/PCEFX if authorities get involved.

If I were to strictly follow the rules and ban people for derailing topics and refusing to keep "cursing at a minimum", I don't think any of us would be posting here right now :P . Yes I'm a stubborn son of a bitch, but many are aware that I'm the joke mod around here!

so we have a joke mod, a lazy mod, a nonexistent mod (Is Nat ok?), and an admin that is never on.

errrrrrr

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 01:54 PMYes I'm a stubborn son of a bitch, but many are aware that I'm the joke mod around here!

I'm beginning to think there isn't any other kind of mod on PCEFX.

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 01:54 PMIf I were to strictly follow the rules and ban people for derailing topics and refusing to keep "cursing at a minimum", I don't think any of us would be posting here right now :P .

There's a big difference between regal making hundreds of worthless, off-topic posts and a usually helpful, contributing member going off on the occasional tangent or continuing a discussion after it's morphed from the original topic; and there's an even bigger difference between using racial/sexual slurs (expressly forbidden by the rules) and someone cursing (merely not recommended).  But hey, don't let common sense get in the way of your love for regal.

I do love RegalSin! I have no shame in admitting that.

It's also common sense that you don't put out a fire with gasoline. The point I am trying to make in this thread is that there's only so much moderators can do for the community, there is just as much responsibility placed on the members to keep the peace around here too.

Quote from: guest on 10/03/2012, 04:23 PMThere's a big difference between regal making hundreds of worthless, off-topic posts and a usually helpful, contributing member going off on the occasional tangent or continuing a discussion after it's morphed from the original topic; and there's an even bigger difference between using racial/sexual slurs (expressly forbidden by the rules) and someone cursing (merely not recommended).

Don't forget this rule: "Foul language in the form of insults directed towards other forum members may result in a ban."

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 05:23 PMI do love RegalSin! I have no shame in admitting that.

It's also common sense that you don't put out a fire with gasoline. The point I am trying to make in this thread is that there's only so much moderators can do for the community, there is just as much responsibility placed on the members to keep the peace around here too.

Quote from: guest on 10/03/2012, 04:23 PMThere's a big difference between regal making hundreds of worthless, off-topic posts and a usually helpful, contributing member going off on the occasional tangent or continuing a discussion after it's morphed from the original topic; and there's an even bigger difference between using racial/sexual slurs (expressly forbidden by the rules) and someone cursing (merely not recommended).

Don't forget this rule: "Foul language in the form of insults directed towards other forum members may result in a ban."

I'm painfully divided on your logic in all this. I agree that the mods can't throw on there elves slippers and a cape and save the forums from all the evil doers. And yes, the community bye and large should also have a vested interest in helping keep the peace for the greater good. However, and I be very naive here, are mods not chosen on there qualities to, well, moderate? Even the best of us around here have got into stupid little pissing contests were tensions flare for a few and then we settle down. Insults are thrown, naughty little words are uttered, then we move on. I would think that would be considered power for the course with so many different opinions and egos in a retrogaming environment. Having some guy come in here throwing racial slurs around begging for his kiddy porn back, one would think would set off the red light. If thats not enough, and bad language could be, then we got everything way backwards. Its not personal, and I don't mean to draw so much attention to you in general, but your point of view on this matter is really unfortunate in my opinion.

I have to say that I see Keranu's point about Regal.  What if we *ALL* put Regal on "ignore" en masse?  If literally no one sees what he posts, then maybe he'll give up.  I'm not a fan of the ignore function (as I've stated previously), but in this case, maybe it's the best way to take the wind out of his sails.

I also agree about the attitude towards newbies who are actually coming here and trying to just have conversations about Turbo shit.  Some newb just started a thread asking what people would do if they were in NEC's shoes during the console wars, and the first reply was someone telling him/her to use the search function.  There are just better ways to handle shit.  Just reply to the post if you're interested in the discussion, and then say "hey, if you want to read more on this topic, you can use the search function to dig up some old threads where this was discussed a while back".  If you're only going to reply to tell him to use the search function, then maybe it's better not to reply at all.

I'll freely admit that I got all caught up in the xray dramarama, and I'm certainly going to stand up for myself and not take shit from people, but I agree that we should be careful not to let this place turn into Neo-Geo, where unless you're a 10-year member and/or have at least 3000 posts, you're just a shit-head newb.

Chris

I don't get it either, Herc.  It's not like people are asking for a couple hundred minor offenders to be banned - it's just one or two guys; and if regal isn't ban worthy when nearly every single post he makes breaks the rules, who is?

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/03/2012, 06:43 PMI also agree about the attitude towards newbies who are actually coming here and trying to just have conversations about Turbo shit.  Some newb just started a thread asking what people would do if they were in NEC's shoes during the console wars, and the first reply was someone telling him/her to use the search function.  There are just better ways to handle shit.  Just reply to the post if you're interested in the discussion, and then say "hey, if you want to read more on this topic, you can use the search function to dig up some old threads where this was discussed a while back".  If you're only going to reply to tell him to use the search function, then maybe it's better not to reply at all.

Uh, try reading my response again.  I did say what I thought would've helped the most - I didn't just say 'use search'.

Quote from: guest on 10/03/2012, 06:49 PMI don't get it either, Herc.  It's not like people are asking for a couple hundred minor offenders to be banned - it's just one or two guys; and if regal isn't ban worthy when nearly every single post he makes breaks the rules, who is?

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/03/2012, 06:43 PMI also agree about the attitude towards newbies who are actually coming here and trying to just have conversations about Turbo shit.  Some newb just started a thread asking what people would do if they were in NEC's shoes during the console wars, and the first reply was someone telling him/her to use the search function.  There are just better ways to handle shit.  Just reply to the post if you're interested in the discussion, and then say "hey, if you want to read more on this topic, you can use the search function to dig up some old threads where this was discussed a while back".  If you're only going to reply to tell him to use the search function, then maybe it's better not to reply at all.

Uh, try reading my response again.  I did say what I thought would've helped the most - I didn't just say 'use search'.

Alright, well that's my bad then.  I was just going from memory, and didn't remember it being you.  Apologies.

Chris

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/03/2012, 06:55 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/03/2012, 06:49 PMI don't get it either, Herc.  It's not like people are asking for a couple hundred minor offenders to be banned - it's just one or two guys; and if regal isn't ban worthy when nearly every single post he makes breaks the rules, who is?

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/03/2012, 06:43 PMI also agree about the attitude towards newbies who are actually coming here and trying to just have conversations about Turbo shit.  Some newb just started a thread asking what people would do if they were in NEC's shoes during the console wars, and the first reply was someone telling him/her to use the search function.  There are just better ways to handle shit.  Just reply to the post if you're interested in the discussion, and then say "hey, if you want to read more on this topic, you can use the search function to dig up some old threads where this was discussed a while back".  If you're only going to reply to tell him to use the search function, then maybe it's better not to reply at all.

Uh, try reading my response again.  I did say what I thought would've helped the most - I didn't just say 'use search'.

Alright, well that's my bad then.  I was just going from memory, and didn't remember it being you.  Apologies.

Chris

Yea, bad example, but i do get what you and keranu are getting at. And it has been discussed on numerous occasions that noobs should not be jumped. there seems to be a wide opinion (there always is) on what is considered behavior that deserves setting people straight, and whats appropriate to say to them. Thats when a mod needs to step in. In a case like this people are so divided only a mod can settle it instead of deferring the responsibility to the community.

Uhm.  I refuse to post on the neo-geo.com forum, this place is 100x better.  Honestly man this's one of the best forums I've found that's really popular.

If someone shows up here and just wants to know what their Turbo games are worth, or wants to fill in some holes in their collection, then the best course of action is just to ignore them, not attack them.  They may still join the community, or they may leave.  But just because someone comes here and right off the bat posts a want list, that doesn't automatically mean that it's the only reason that they're here.  Telling a newb that we won't sell to them or allow them in our raffles because they aren't part of the community is elitist, and puts a bad taste in their mouth.  If they get persistent, then just tell them that no one has the games that they're looking for at the moment.

Obviously my example above was not a good one, but the sentiment remains the same.  There are different ways to handle people. 

Chris

I fully agree with jibbajabba that people shouldn't whine about some new person not using the search feature.  Maybe there should be a thread labelled "important information / faq" that's stickied that links to all this great info.  People shouldn't take out their anger on the new person not finding the right information.  People should take their anger out on the fact that the right information isn't easy enough to find.  I've made threads on my personal forum that answer all sorts of questions I used to get constantly asked.  I made sure to sticky these threads and link them to the applicable youtube videos.

Anyways, agree with my philosophy or not, I really do want to see if there are any recent pedo posts by Regal. I warned him and he respectfully told me he would shut up about it... maybe there's hope for the poor sap afterall :P . I don't care how bad the offense is, anyone deserves a second chance in my book.

I'd appoint more mods if I could, but sadly as Joe found out, I cannot. Until then, I shall always remain the Dan Hibiki of forum moderators!

I vote NecroPhile. Somebody should email Aaron and say "we need another moderator. These 8 people think it should be NecroPhile."

I've already contacted Aaron.  Now we wait.

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 05:23 PMthere's only so much moderators can do for the community

Pressing the "Ban" button on someone who is pretty much universally reviled (except by you, inexplicably) isn't really that complicated.

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 08:01 PMAnyways, agree with my philosophy or not, I really do want to see if there are any recent pedo posts by Regal. I warned him and he respectfully told me he would shut up about it... maybe there's hope for the poor sap afterall :P . I don't care how bad the offense is, anyone deserves a second chance in my book.

A second chance?! Shouldn't speaking out in favor of kiddie porn be an insta-ban? Nah, let's give those sex-offenders another chance. Great idea!

Seriously, man...

I guess I'm just pissing in the wind on this one.

I'll contact Aaron on Twitter and ask him about making NecroPhile a mod. Perhaps I'll mention the fact that in his absence, it's apparently become okay to discuss kiddie porn on his website. I'm sure he'll be thrilled...

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 08:01 PMAnyways, agree with my philosophy or not, I really do want to see if there are any recent pedo posts by Regal. I warned him and he respectfully told me he would shut up about it... maybe there's hope for the poor sap afterall :P . I don't care how bad the offense is, anyone deserves a second chance in my book.

I'd appoint more mods if I could, but sadly as Joe found out, I cannot. Until then, I shall always remain the Dan Hibiki of forum moderators!

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12481.msg256124#msg256124
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12481.msg256892#msg256892

The only thing that comes close was him playing a little game in the Movie thread, claiming that he was upset that the Yakuza boss character in the short Kill Bill animation was referred to as a pedophile and that he should've just been referred to as a guy that "likes 'em young." That boss gets killed by Lucy Liu's character at 11 years old with her on top of him, she having used the fact that he was a pedophile to seduce him and get the chance to kill him for killing her parents... So, was he simply trolling, cause he certainly got my attention, or is he just that fucking stupid misjudging an 11 year old girl as a "young woman???" And this is a game he may have played after his whole attention-whore thread about the police having raided his home for pedo/underage images and/or pornography, etc...

Note, I used to share your view on him, there was a certain charm, a certain level of entertainment, but I can't stand him lately. I exchanged messages with him privately cause he was pissing me off which factors into it, as well as him trying to find ways to defend Xray, neutralize any outrage about it and disparage the work that I and others did as mere "witchhunting" even though it was all 100% factual. In short, he makes me sick.

Quote from: NightWolve on 10/03/2012, 09:11 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 08:01 PMAnyways, agree with my philosophy or not, I really do want to see if there are any recent pedo posts by Regal. I warned him and he respectfully told me he would shut up about it... maybe there's hope for the poor sap afterall :P . I don't care how bad the offense is, anyone deserves a second chance in my book.

I'd appoint more mods if I could, but sadly as Joe found out, I cannot. Until then, I shall always remain the Dan Hibiki of forum moderators!

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12481.msg256124#msg256124
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12481.msg256892#msg256892

The only thing that comes close was him playing a little game in the Movie thread, claiming that he was a upset that the Yakuza boss character in the short Kill Bill animation was referred to as a pedophile and that he should've just been referred to as a guy that "likes 'em young." That boss gets killed by Lucy Liu's character at 11 years old with her on top of him, she having used the fact that he was a pedophile to seduce him and get the chance to kill him for killing her parents... So, was he simply trolling, cause he certainly got my attention, or is he just that fucking stupid misjudging an 11 year old girl as a "young woman???" And this is a game he may have played after his whole attention-whore thread about the police having raided his home for pedo/underage images and/or pornography, etc...

Note, I used to share your view on him, there was a certain charm, a certain level of entertainment, but I can't stand him lately. I exchanged messages with him privately cause he was pissing me off which factors into it, as well as him trying to find ways to defend Xray, neutralize any outrage about it and disparage the work that I and others did as mere "witchhunting" even though it was all 100% factual. In short, he makes me sick.

http://youtu.be/U6UWvQi5i4o

NECROPHILE FOR MOD 2012

NecroPhile, Arkhan, and Bernie would all make for great moderators here.. They all get my vote

Ah fuck it.  I just banned RegalSin.  At least the Regal Sin wiki will get to be updated with another place he's been banned from.

Thank you.

Thanks Joe!

Oh holy shit...THANK YOU!

Hahahahaha! I didn't think that would happen! Here's a little PM history between the two of us.

In defending Xray, he complained that we were looking up his history, so on that note, I sent one PM of many like this:

Subject: How come you've been banned so many times?

Quote from: NightWolve on 09/13/2012, 05:12 PMhttp://history.sydlexia.com/index.php?title=RegalSin

This is why you don't like people being able to find your history, right??? Even there they say you might be a pedophile and that was before you said the police raided your home! So you're a racist pedophile, right ??? You've been banned in maybe over 20 forums ???

QuoteSydLexia.com - Made remarks indicating that he was anti-semitic and enjoyed pedophilia.
Senntient - Apparently posted pornography in a thread.

So yeah, you're a pedophile ??? Why are you so hated everywhere ?

The Regal response was:

Quote from: RegalSin on 09/13/2012, 08:20 PMI take pride in being banned from the league of 20,000 forums, and or forms. Great read my shist, it is a free web, you could even rant on that too. Either way get you behind back to the ancient land of Ys already, this is my domain, don't you have a windows 8 game to play or something. This is just getting too, old and your past your expiration date. I also love the way you responded and then responded that you missed my response, that proves how much sight you have. Yet you keep coming back for more. I live in the east coast, where I can eat all the raw meat I can, their are plenty of Elizabeth's to shebang, and the place is looking quite yello =D>

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/03/2012, 10:53 PMAh fuck it.  I just banned Regal Sin.  At least the Regal Sin wiki will get to be updated with another place he's been banned from.

This is no small thing you have done here. Regal's constant spamming and polluting of damn near every topic in these forums was enough to atleast give him a breather. Thanks.

Fuck yeah, thanks!  :dance:

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/03/2012, 10:53 PMAh fuck it.

That's the spirit! Awesome.

Thank you, Joe!!!

Chris

I wish you had done a screencast or something as you banned him, so I could watch. I feel like I missed it.

Regal gone?  Best news I've heard all day!

Realy, relag sin isnt gone from this retrodegame forum.

Hes just lurking in thee shadow, waitin to

holy fuck its like impossible to type as retarded as that guy.  I give up.

Fuck.

Quote from: guest on 10/04/2012, 10:26 AMRealy, relag sin isnt gone from this retrodegame forum.

Hes just lurking in thee shadow, waitin to

Indeed, RELAGSIN are not retrodegame disappear from this forum.

Slightly, HES is a waitin of lurking in the shadow of thy

holy fuck its like impossible to type as retarded as that guy.  I give up.

Fuck.

Fixed.

Quote from: NightWolve on 10/03/2012, 09:11 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 10/03/2012, 08:01 PMAnyways, agree with my philosophy or not, I really do want to see if there are any recent pedo posts by Regal.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12481.msg256124#msg256124
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12481.msg256892#msg256892

I was really put off by what he posted in my thread about Chip Chan Kick in the PC-FX forum, which was well after his initial "I love you all" thread.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12868

Quote from: SamIAmBy the way, I was reading about this game in Japanese, and a common remark is that this degree of loli sexualization and panty shots probably wouldn't fly in an all-ages rated game these days. I guess it's a kind of period piece in that regard.

It's still pretty creepy, though. Oh well, the game part itself is pretty decent.

Quote from: RegalsinSamIAm, there is no sexualization. All of that is in your imagination. underwear being exposed is common with skirts, dresses, falling pants,
low-cut genes, loose garments, cleets, etc. I am a guy an d when I wear shorts, my briefs are exposed for the world, to see. I see women and men, wearing those tight shorts with the loose sides, and you can see all the way to the edge of their legs. Imagination.

Also the art style is also ignorant. Back then the XXX section was their for a purpose but with the internet their is no XXX section whatsoever.

Next your going to tell, me that a pig or squid with panties, over ones head is wrong. What is the world coming to.

The guy was either a complete idiot or in denial.

I'm glad he's gone now. Even if he was in fact some kind of troll-artist, everything that might have been interesting about what he was doing vanished after the pedo thread.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/04/2012, 11:05 AM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/04/2012, 10:26 AMRealy, relag sin isnt gone from this retrodegame forum.

Hes just lurking in thee shadow, waitin to

Indeed, RELAGSIN are not retrodegame disappear from this forum.

Slightly, HES is a waitin of lurking in the shadow of thy

holy fuck its like impossible to type as retarded as that guy.  I give up.

Fuck.

Fixed.

well played.

lol

If he was banned wouldn't he show up as guest or is that just when you delete your account?  I've been here long enough I should know but I am le dumb.

He just signed up at the pcefreeforums site where the chat is. I hope Paul bans him there too. I'm really glad he is gone, I'd hate looking under new posts and seeing every thread bumped by him. You knew it wasn't worth reading and whatever posts following his were just people saying "wtf regal that makes no sense".

Damn I thought Paul disabled new registrations.

It has to be said that regal's downfall would most likely have not occured, or not this quickly, if it had not been Mikes resolve on X-ray. Jibba and NightWolve also joined in on x-ray and Mike did the detective work to seal the deal. Honestly, the huge amount of attention eventually paid to x-ray and his bullshit finally brought the community together to agree that regal had to go. I give Joe credit for finally getting rid of regal. Alot of credit goes to mike though for not backing down, and jibba and NightWolve for helping out.

See we can work together :)

Ahh, no more useless sh#t to constantly skip over.

no way herc a lot of us wanted him gone a long time ago

Any reason this guy is still here?

Quote from: canada on 10/04/2012, 07:08 PMRead what he said... its fucking halarious... i dont know if this guy is chinese or retarded.

Quote from: canada on 10/04/2012, 07:12 PMAnd get off spida1 dick... he post gay as reviews on YOUTUBE.  the msg you sent me on ebay sounds like hes your bf...   haahh fag,.

I feel the same way VestCunt.   He brings nothing of value here.

Reeks for an instant ban i would say. Again.

Looks like he's been banned before by someone else, temporarily.  So I made it permanent.

Thank you once again, Joe!  Hopefully this means that the drama is going to die down around here and we can get back to business as usual.

Chris

Wow,  Regalsin got banned? I seriously thought no one would ever man up and do this! Good work Joe!

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/05/2012, 03:38 AMLooks like he's been banned before by someone else, temporarily.  So I made it permanent.

REALLY??  Canada aka Swiss780 is gone???  THANK YOU!!! Man that guy got to me.

Thanks a lot Joe!

hahaha... Joe is trigger happy, who else can we think of  :-k

RoyVegas!

YEAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

lol.

Militant?  no.  Alive and responsive?  sure!

It's good to see some useless bastards getting the hammer.  Thank you Joe.

Now where were you when a member here was posting pics of a child with a photoshopped penis in his face?

Who did that ?

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/05/2012, 03:50 PMMilitant?  no.  Alive and responsive?  sure!

It's good to see some useless bastards getting the hammer.  Thank you Joe.

Now where were you a year ago (last Oct) when a member here, who I also happened to talk shit about constantly behind his back with Nintega and others, and who I trashed in shout box constantly after he left, was posting one pic of my kid in fighting street, (taken from when I used to post videos of my starving, poorly dressed and poorly groomed kids up on youtube for others amusement because I was such a shity father that my ex wife even had to come here and confront me about it by hijacking my account after the lulz was initiated), with mah big black rubber dong in his hand in fighting street, AFTER ME, his dumb ass pops, decided to pick yet another fight I obviously couldn't handle, which caused ME to have a mental breakdown, and spam the forum both inside and outside of FS with pics of some estranged fat hairy freak lover of mine?

 Lets not forget I also burned said person on a deal for a few Sega Saturn import games that were sold listed in great condition, but arrived looking like they were completely sandpapered, because evidently I have no qualms about outright lying to and burning my supposed friends on deals, because everything's cool and they can suck it. But hey, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I DO SHOULD HAVE CONSEQUENCES, AMMARITE??

Corrected to better represent the truth of the matter, since evidently one year later he still has trouble coping with the massive drama he brought upon himself.
(btw, I requested said pic be removed from Image Shack last year, because to be quite honest, its not your kids fault you suck, or sucked anyway, as a parent, and exposed him to internet abuse by posting shity videos of your poorly groomed, poorly fed, poorly dressed kids up for total strangers to watch. Evidently Image Shack did not remove it. Evidently someone there found it humorous enough and left it in place, because I even made this request again earlier this year when I saw it was still present, so yeah, ummm, whatever...)

Or not.

Chris

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/05/2012, 06:09 PMOr not.

Not to exonerate anyone or minimize the grievances, but personal feuds like the one above don't bother me. Unlike Regal, Xray, and Canada, Prof and Turbostar are fairly civil and don't break the rules with brazen impunity.

Maybe so, but going after a man's children is severely fucked up. Prof, I generally enjoy your posts here but I do think that's way over the line. I appreciate you tried to remove the image, but slamming the guy on his parenting based on what you've seen on the internet is pretty fucked. I'd say the same to those who call your family and parenting abilities into question.

Either way, that shit was was a while ago. Bury the fucking hatchet already.

Quote from: Sadler on 10/05/2012, 08:30 PMMaybe so, but going after a man's children is severely fucked up. Prof, I generally enjoy your posts here but I do think that's way over the line. I appreciate you tried to remove the image, but slamming the guy on his parenting based on what you've seen on the internet is pretty fucked. I'd say the same to those who call your family and parenting abilities into question.

Either way, that shit was was a while ago. Bury the fucking hatchet already.

To be honest, it was his own ex wife that said he was a shity father, so its not something generated on speculation on some strangers part. I'm not going to quote what all she said, its not worth going back through years of post to do so, but it boiled down to Shags trying to use this forum to generate undue sympathy and scorn against his wife because he was oh so fucking sad and down, which read off as a total bullshit sob story. Basically him lying to members here about his then wifes supposed affairs, etc, when it just so happened Josh himself was cheating on her, and evidently neglecting his 5 children or whatever.

Also, dragging kids into it, Shags, even ole Joe of all people, and others opened that door after I left, talking shit behind my back on post and in the shout box, making personal references about my children, etc, which people I still talked to here would copy and paste to me via email or yahoo messenger, so it's not like I fired all cannons without just cause. In fact, just the opposite, I ignored it for like two years and went on with my business on other forums. If nothing else, it just showed me how much a bunch of pussies some people here were and still are.

And had Shags finally stopped trying to stick his nose up my ass so much here, well, alls well ends well.... Evidently all of this is still on Shags mind daily, since he decided to mention his one sided sob story today, so whatever. This is prob the first post he has done that I have even read in god knows how long, and yet again, like all times prior, nothing of any worth.

I'd also like to point out, I find it no odd coincidence that after I heard Joe went on some wild racist tangent telling racist jokes or whatever here in FS after Nanto opened it, that two of the better forum members here, who happened to be black, Ninja Spirit and Mithos, up and left. Whether it was directly due to the stuff Joe said or not, who knows, but I have a gut feeling it played a factor in causing them to leave. I know that racist shit specifically, along with all the back talking bullshit about me and my kids, did cause a couple others I know personally to ditch the forums here after I did, so I mean, its not like there is a sudden influx of bad behavior causing people to leave, or like a bunch of old tymers ragging on new people making them ditch the place. Shits been happening for years here across the board.

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Quote from: Sadler on 10/05/2012, 08:30 PMMaybe so, but going after a man's children is severely fucked up. Prof, I generally enjoy your posts here but I do think that's way over the line. I appreciate you tried to remove the image, but slamming the guy on his parenting based on what you've seen on the internet is pretty fucked. I'd say the same to those who call your family and parenting abilities into question.

Either way, that shit was was a while ago. Bury the fucking hatchet already.

To be honest, it was his own ex wife that said he was a shity father, so its not something generated on speculation on some strangers part. I'm not going to quote what all she said, its not worth going back through years of post to do so, but it boiled down to Shags trying to use this forum to generate undue sympathy and scorn against his wife because he was oh so fucking sad and down, which read off as a total bullshit sob story. Basically him lying to members here about his then wifes supposed affairs, etc, when it just so happened Josh himself was cheating on her, and evidently neglecting his 5 children or whatever.

Yeah, not many ex-spouses speak well of those they used to be married to. That applies to both Josh and his ex-wife. I wouldn't consider either an unbiased source. Honestly I don't know the background on your family life, nor do I care to. IIRC though, you've been through similar and can probably relate.

QuoteAlso, dragging kids into it, Shags, even ole Joe of all people, and others opened that door after I left, talking shit behind my back on post and in the shout box, making personal references about my children, etc, which people I still talked to here would copy and paste to me via email or yahoo messenger, so it's not like I fired all cannons without just cause. In fact, just the opposite, I ignored it for like two years and went on with my business on other forums. If nothing else, it just showed me how much a bunch of pussies some people here were and still are.

I agree with you here. I don't care who does it, bringing family into it isn't cool. And yes, I've seen people do the same to you and I'm not OK with it.

QuoteAnd had Shags finally stopped trying to stick his nose up my ass so much here, well, alls well ends well.... Evidently all of this is still on Shags mind daily, since he decided to mention his one sided sob story today, so whatever. This is prob the first post he has done that I have even read in god knows how long, and yet again, like all times prior, nothing of any worth.

My final sentence was definitely directed at both of you. I get why he's pissed and I get why he has a hard time letting go. But seriously, I wish you'd both move on.

I know Josh on a personal level, and whatever happened in the past (I wasn't here at that time) doesn't make any difference to me. I know the kind of person he is now,  have met his wife and kids, and am proud to place him on the long list of friends I have made since signing up to this forum. That's my two cents. :)

+1 for the "NecroPhile for mod" vote. I think D-Dan would make an excellent choice as well, but I don't know how much time he actually spends here or how many threads he visits. NecroPhile on the other hand SEES ALL! I would make a poor choice as there are places on this forum that I don't visit (PC-FX Discussion, High Scores, etc.)

Also, here is my formal apology to any new member who I may have been too harsh on. I see a lot of (IMO) needless threads pop up and I get out the dustpan and try to clean up the clutter (hate clutter!). I am human and sometimes forget that I was once a N00b as well. This was the first forum of any kind that I ever joined and I made many first-time mistakes. Unlike many other gaming forums there is a "specialness" to this place. I don't know what it is, but I desperately am trying to preserve what makes this place so magical to me. If I come across as an ass to anyone in the future please don't take it personally. :)

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/05/2012, 03:38 AMLooks like he's been banned before by someone else, temporarily.  So I made it permanent.

So what you're saying is to RegalSin is:
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Not that this really needs to be said but if a man is in Mike's position and is busting his ass doing the job of two people (Being a parent is pretty much two full time jobs (Hell, at times it feels like ten full time jobs)) and raising children on their own, then my hat is off to him. My gripe was with how far he takes his 'revenge' or 'lulz'.  I suppose lesson learned, I won't ever make a transaction of any kind with the guy.

I suppose the moral of the story here is if you sell Mike something and he's unhappy with it, don't expect negative feedback or even a message from him saying he'd like a refund or there is a problem, expect him to go batshit crazy like this. Regardless, I visit these forums far less than I used to so whatever.

Also, Mike, I don't recall saying anything negative about anyone's kids, but if I did say something stupid in chat or wherever, I apologize.

Quote from: guest on 10/05/2012, 07:59 PM

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/05/2012, 06:09 PMOr not.

Not to exonerate anyone or minimize the grievances, but personal feuds like the one above don't bother me. Unlike Regal, Xray, and Canada, Prof and Turbostar are fairly civil and don't break the rules with brazen impunity.

Oh yeah, I know.  I just thought that with the exit of xray, Regal, and Canada, maybe peace would descend upon PCEFX for awhile.

Chris

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/06/2012, 01:15 AMRegardless, I visit these forums far less than I used to so whatever.

I know and at the risk of sounding lame, that sucks. I enjoy your posts. :)

QuoteAlso, Mike, I don't recall saying anything negative about anyone's kids, but if I did say something stupid in chat or wherever, I apologize.

I don't remember you doing so.

Quote from: Sadler on 10/06/2012, 01:45 AM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/06/2012, 01:15 AMRegardless, I visit these forums far less than I used to so whatever.

I know and at the risk of sounding lame, that sucks. I enjoy your posts. :)

QuoteAlso, Mike, I don't recall saying anything negative about anyone's kids, but if I did say something stupid in chat or wherever, I apologize.

I don't remember you doing so.

On Shags side of things, if I remember correctly it was part of some shoutbox chat that was sent to me between him and others. I probably still have it via email because I'm too fucking lazy to delete shit, but I am not going to bother digging for it (I have like 8700 emails built up in my inbox). Waste of time. The fact of the matter is that evidently up until today all of this bothered Shags enough that he'd drop a hopeful ban request against me for something that took place a year ago, that basically he himself, along with said mod, and others here, are guilty of. Its a pretty fucking opportunistic, weak, and hypocritical move all in all.

And Josh,  its not like it was just the Sega Saturn deal, or the fact you came on here deceiving others about the wife thing to get a sympathetic ear. You also got all pissy towards myself, Sini, and Nectarsis, etc about the Nintega shit, trying to defend him. A person who you happened to associate with, knowing full well wtf the guy was doing to people on youtube and here on the forums. You had no qualms about going after Kits for the same shit, in the same manner, but only because it suited you.

Dave wasn't bothering you in particular, so all the sudden you had a issue with same said tactics, etc, employed prior, and with people who were not even the instigator. The ironic thing is Kits mellowed out. I ran into him on HG101, and he apologized for the BS, and stuck to his apology. Thats a huge amount more then I can say about Dave, who is still the exact same person now that he was then, other then that he sports a Corey Feldman hairdo.

In the end its a culmination of things, not one thing in particular that put you on a shit list. Also, its not just my shit list, its one shared by a few others also, who either still post, or don't at all. Nothing you should really care about either way. Point being though is I'm not going to wait months on end, then go complaining to a mod about it like what you just did because you feel you saw a opening, and honestly it wouldn't come up at all if you'd simply ignore me and move on instead of pining for a continued conflict you wont win. The best thing you could do is just slap me on ignore permanently and continue on with your business, whatever that may be. It will keep you off my radar so to speak, and me off of yours. Like I said, the above was the first post of yours I have read in god knows how long, because I usually just ignore everything you post unless by the off chance the topic is important enough to bother reading it all to get the whole picture.


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Or atleast not as often.

Quote from: guest on 10/05/2012, 07:59 PMNot to exonerate anyone or minimize the grievances, but personal feuds like the one above don't bother me. Unlike Regal, Xray, and Canada, Prof and Turbostar are fairly civil and don't break the rules with brazen impunity.

Holy hell mike, the cable company called, they have your bill for renting thier entire mail server!!

Quote from: Drakon on 10/06/2012, 07:11 AMOr atleast not as often.

Quote from: guest on 10/05/2012, 07:59 PMNot to exonerate anyone or minimize the grievances, but personal feuds like the one above don't bother me. Unlike Regal, Xray, and Canada, Prof and Turbostar are fairly civil and don't break the rules with brazen impunity.

Almost everyone's guilty of something, even you (lest you forget your own recent thread dump where you spent over a hour editing and re-editing your huge hissyfit). When you have so many different personalities converge on one place, you are going to get conflict of some sort, and it can become a sink or swim situation. Its bound to happen. Adds spice to life.

Atleast I have the decency to ask for permission before using someone elses images.  I find it sad that you want to misguide beginners into thinking that good modwork is based purely on pretty looking casework.  I've seen plenty of mod jobs where the casework looked amazing but the circuit design was lacking and there were issues, such as the expensive arcade supergun a friend of mine purchased which didn't display colours right with a bunch of pcbs, even in rgb mode.  I wanted to add all that information to warn people not to follow your misguidance.  I don't care if you want to hate on my work, but I do care when you want to mislead beginners.

I certainly wouldn't call you "truly civil" for using my images without my permission.  Had you asked nicely I would have let you use them as long as you provided a disclaimer to explain that those images were almost all projects that had never been for sale.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/06/2012, 12:35 PM

Quote from: Drakon on 10/06/2012, 07:11 AMOr atleast not as often.

Quote from: guest on 10/05/2012, 07:59 PMNot to exonerate anyone or minimize the grievances, but personal feuds like the one above don't bother me. Unlike Regal, Xray, and Canada, Prof and Turbostar are fairly civil and don't break the rules with brazen impunity.

Almost everyone's guilty of something, even you (lest you forget your own recent thread dump where you spent over a hour editing and re-editing your huge hissyfit). When you have so many different personalities converge on one place, you are going to get conflict of some sort, and it can become a sink or swim situation. Its bound to happen. Adds spice to life.

None of your skewed view of history points justify the posting of a member's child with a penis ms paint/photoshopped on it.  Even in FS.  Regardless of how many lulz you think it garnered you in your forum victory.

Period.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/06/2012, 03:33 AMThe fact of the matter is that evidently up until today all of this bothered Shags enough that he'd drop a hopeful ban request against me for something that took place a year ago, that basically he himself, along with said mod, and others here, are guilty of. Its a pretty fucking opportunistic, weak, and hypocritical move all in all.

And yes, I think any person that does shit like this to try to 'get back' at someone should take a walk personally.

I think everyone screws up and goes too far from time to time here in the forums, myself included.  But, when its not the norm, and its over, it should be let go.  I've had dealings with both of you guys, and both of you seem like outstanding members of the community.  Is it too hard to just say, hey we both done some stupid shit, and just let it go?  Maybe its easier for me cause I dont like conflict.  I enjoy meeting new and different people, and making friends. 

Drakon, as far as Mike using.those images.  He already said that it wasn't something done in a malicious manner, and had no idea they were mostly your pics.  I believe he googled for images.  Knda giving folks an idea of what to look for.  I seriously doubt there was any harm meant.  We've really had some vulgar members lately, for example Regal and Xray or Canada aka Swiss780.  Mike and Josh are certainly not part of that group.  It just bothers me to see good forum members at each other.  :(

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/05/2012, 09:38 PMtwo of the better forum members here, who happened to be black, Ninja Spirit and Mithos, up and left. Whether it was directly due to the stuff Joe said or not, who knows, but I have a gut feeling it played a factor in causing them to leave.

I don't remember Mithos but Ninja Spirit is still my friend on Facebook to this day.

Drakon, he posted pics he googled without assigning any names to them as examples for his modding bit. If you had not said anything noone would have known some of those examples were yours old or not. By panicking and assigning a name to the pictures, you put yourself in that spot. It may very well be true those pictures represented old or prototype work. But you would not be explaining yourself now if you had stayed below the radar. You can't blame Mike for that. I'm not choosing sides here, but that is the fact of it at the moment.
The rest of it was before my time and i can't comment. It does seem a shame though that we just got rid of two bad apples and are right back at it.

Quote from: Drakon on 10/06/2012, 06:49 PMAtleast I have the decency to ask for permission before using someone elses images.  I find it sad that you want to misguide beginners into thinking that good modwork is based purely on pretty looking casework.  I've seen plenty of mod jobs where the casework looked amazing but the circuit design was lacking and there were issues, such as the expensive arcade supergun a friend of mine purchased which didn't display colours right with a bunch of pcbs, even in rgb mode.  I wanted to add all that information to warn people not to follow your misguidance.  I don't care if you want to hate on my work, but I do care when you want to mislead beginners.

I certainly wouldn't call you "truly civil" for using my images without my permission.  Had you asked nicely I would have let you use them as long as you provided a disclaimer to explain that those images were almost all projects that had never been for sale.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/06/2012, 12:35 PM

Quote from: Drakon on 10/06/2012, 07:11 AMOr atleast not as often.

Quote from: guest on 10/05/2012, 07:59 PMNot to exonerate anyone or minimize the grievances, but personal feuds like the one above don't bother me. Unlike Regal, Xray, and Canada, Prof and Turbostar are fairly civil and don't break the rules with brazen impunity.

Almost everyone's guilty of something, even you (lest you forget your own recent thread dump where you spent over a hour editing and re-editing your huge hissyfit). When you have so many different personalities converge on one place, you are going to get conflict of some sort, and it can become a sink or swim situation. Its bound to happen. Adds spice to life.

I think at this point you should shut the fuck up, because you are implying I said shit I never did, making your warnings empty and unfounded. I never once said that good mod work is just how solid the jack work is. Its obvious its more then that, and I could never stress that enough. I have to clean up shity circuit board and surface mount work of others all the time, let alone constantly repair shit. Remember, I'm the guy who restores classic computers here? That thread was a WIP, and still is if anyway cares to add to it. The original post was never finished, and had been updated with circuit board examples, etc even after you had a hissy fit. I'm one person using what little free time I have to put up info when I can, no strings attached, and had left a open invite for others to contribute to it. You could have contributed yourself. In fact, prior to that thread I suggested you do something similar when you were trying to thread crap on the svideo thread, but you were being a pouty little brat, saying "nah you can just google it" because evidently you have something against people sharing knowledge freely around here (my guess is you feel your pocketbook being threatened maybe???).

When others contribute evidently you have issues with this, and want to thread crap, when to be honestly, your not exactly the mod authority here by any stretch of the imagination. You even seemed to have a issue when suggestions were made prior about how you could have improved that one gamepad job you did. It was pretty clear you were biting your tongue. Well pal, anyway, considering you suggested it, ironically google ended up being your egos bane. I googled different mod work to get some examples via google images (you know, view image/copy image and paste in paint?). Your pics were among others I pulled for general searches, and no I did not take the time to view the source of every pic, why would I need to?

Unfortunately for you I don't need your permission to use them, due to fair use, and you making them so public they showed up on google, so you can stop crying about some of your bad work being shown. Your work was in fact not the only work posted. You don't want people seeing sloppy crap of yours, don't post pics of it publicly, and if you do, add a fucking disclaimer watermark and try and see how far that will get you. The best part about all of this is your name was never even mentioned. No one would have known that CRAP WORK was your own had you not had a one hour tantrum editing and re-editing insults and saying I said shit I didn't say in between showing everyone how your crappy vogatek supergun went from really crappy to semi crappy. Instead of treating it as a educational experience you deemed it a threat of some sort evidently to your all but non existent mod rep here. I mean, do you even have a customer base here to worry about?

And lets face it, for all of your warnings and trying to supposedly protect others hardware investments, do you honestly believe that some shity looking mod work is going to help protect that investment, because its not, regardless of how solid it is internally. The Nes stuff looked bad. One of them looks like instead of using a drill you had a 5 year old with a butane torch carve out a hole for a mouse to use, then tried to fill in the massive gap with hot glue, which was totally fucking weak sauce. Solid work is solid work all the way around, not half assing it on the final stretch because you decided you needed to rush things at the customers expense. What happens if one of your prior commissions decides to re-sell their system? When people go to buy things they don't see your magically perfect internal work, all they see is the external job, which looks horrible, and that is going to hurt the persons sell power when their customer goes to make a buying decision.

For what it's worth, I too have met TurboJosh on a few occasions and one of the first traits about him that rubbed on me was his "fatherlyness." He's a great guy, one of the coolest I've met from these forums.

The phrase "militant mods" has taken on a second meaning during the course of this thread.

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/06/2012, 08:54 PM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/05/2012, 09:38 PMtwo of the better forum members here, who happened to be black, Ninja Spirit and Mithos, up and left. Whether it was directly due to the stuff Joe said or not, who knows, but I have a gut feeling it played a factor in causing them to leave.

I don't remember Mithos but Ninja Spirit is still my friend on Facebook to this day.

He was albinoMithos when he was here

Quote from: Bernie on 10/06/2012, 08:19 PMI think everyone screws up and goes too far from time to time here in the forums, myself included.  But, when its not the norm, and its over, it should be let go.  Ive had dealings with both of you guys, and both of yoy seem like outstanding members of the community.  Is it too hard to just say, hey we both done some stupid shit, and just let it go?  Maybe its easier for me cause I dont like conflict.  I enjoy meeting new and different people, and making friends.  

Drakon, as far as Mike using.those images.  He already said that it wasnt something done in a malicious manner, and had no idea they were mostly your pics.  I believe he googled for images.  Knda giving folks an idea of what to look for.  I seriously doubt there was any harm meant.  We've reallu had some vulgar members lately, for example Regal and Xray or Canada aka Swiss780.  Mike and Josh are certainly not part of that group.  It just bothers me to see good forum members at each other.  :(

Again, not so much him using my pictures that really bugs me.  It's him misleading beginners into thinking that nice looking casework is the only method of measuring good modding work that annoyed me.

It's also hard to believe him using my old pics was coincidental since one of them was a screen grab taken from a youtube video in my channel.  He seemed annoyed at me questioning his s-video mod circuit thread, because I already had made a s-video mod thread.

*to professorliarson*

My pocketbook doesn't care about what you post, all you posted was a schematic of the s-video mod which I never made any money from and never planned to.

I never was "biting my tongue" and I thanked people for good suggestions.

again I'm not "crying because some of my bad work was shown".  The work in those pictures isn't bad it may be quick and dirty but those circuits work amazingly well.  You calling that stuff bad is just telling modders that doing stuff quickly means they fail at modding.

Again you're labelling it as "crap work" when it works fine, it was just done quickly.  You label things too quickly based purely on how they look.  What sort of message do you think this gives new modders?

I don't know why you think I'm worried about a customer base or making money.  I don't care about that, again I'm bothered by you completely misleading beginner modders.

People see my internal work when they plug it into the tv and it looks and runs better than some other modded consoles out there.  It's clear that you don't give a shit about well designed circuits, I wish you would realize that is important.

Drakon, i'm not choosing sides here, you guys wanna go at it, go at it. but what you say can and will be used against you, fair warning. Please, just learn and let it go. He was not after you, swallow your pride and quit defending yourself.

Why you say? Because you just got in hot water a few weeks ago for telling everyone in the modding forums that if you can't read schematics, then you are lazy and can't mod for shit. Now your defending your mods because some pictures look sloppy and shitty. You say they are prototypes. I believe you, we all throw stuff together quick like all the time to test it. So let it go, just remember though to watch what you say to other in the future. You never know when you will wind up in fighting street defending yourself.

Used against me in what?  This is fighting street I thought the point of this place is to get our anger out at each other.  I don't mind fighting it out until we come to a civil conclusion which I'm sure will eventually happen.  Maybe we'll agree to disagree or whatever.  If I were to make a guide showing examples of bad mods I certainly wouldn't use googled images of other peoples work, that's just rude.  I'm always bothered when people judge a mod completely based on the casework.  Because of threads like that I've found modders out there who make lovely casework but when someone plugs their system in and turns it on there's all sorts of issues.  I'm not saying I'm against good casework I just think it's silly to judge good modwork based on pictures instead of how well the system actually runs.

Anyway I'd like to apologize to professor for any hurt, I just want to move past this and I'm sure we both just have very different opinions on what's considered as good mod work.  I do think in the future it would be best if he comes up with his own example pictures in threads instead of using other peoples work.  He does seem like a great guy but I think we have absolutely opposing opinions on what good modwork is and we tend to drive each other insane with that topic.

Quote from: HercTNT on 10/07/2012, 10:59 AMDrakon, i'm not choosing sides here, you guys wanna go at it, go at it. but what you say can and will be used against you, fair warning. Please, just learn and let it go. He was not after you, swallow your pride and quit defending yourself.

Why you say? Because you just got in hot water a few weeks ago for telling everyone in the modding forums that if you can't read schematics, then you are lazy and can't mod for shit. Now your defending your mods because some pictures look sloppy and shitty. You say they are prototypes. I believe you, we all throw stuff together quick like all the time to test it. So let it go, just remember though to watch what you say to other in the future. You never know when you will wind up in fighting street defending yourself.

Quote from: Drakon on 10/07/2012, 11:36 AMUsed against me in what?  This is fighting street I thought the point of this place is to get our anger out at each other.  I don't mind fighting it out until we come to a civil conclusion which I'm sure will eventually happen.  Maybe we'll agree to disagree or whatever.  If I were to make a guide showing examples of bad mods I certainly wouldn't use googled images of other peoples work, that's just rude.  I'm always bothered when people judge a mod completely based on the casework.  Because of threads like that I've found modders out there who make lovely casework but when someone plugs their system in and turns it on there's all sorts of issues.  I'm not saying I'm against good casework I just think it's silly to judge good modwork based on pictures instead of how well the system actually runs.

Anyway I'd like to apologize to professor for any hurt, I just want to move past this and I'm sure we both just have very different opinions on what's considered as good mod work.  I do think in the future it would be best if he comes up with his own example pictures in threads instead of using other peoples work.  He does seem like a great guy but I think we have absolutely opposing opinions on what good modwork is and we tend to drive each other insane with that topic.

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QuoteAgain you're labelling it as "crap work" when it works fine, it was just done quickly.  You label things too quickly based purely on how they look.  What sort of message do you think this gives new modders?

And to that I say:

http://16bitgamer.forumotion.ca/t55-failmods-beware

Foot in mouth much? You whine and bitch like a victim, and yet do the exact same thing on your own forum. The difference being my goal was to educate, while yours was simply to call people out by name and tear them down publicly to impress the few members visiting your own forum. The size of your ego must be profound....

I'm not exactly sure what part of this I am not making clear to you, so again, for me its a all or nothing deal. If you are going to take peoples money to mod their system, and plan to help protect their investment, then you damn well better do a solid job all the way around, not just on a circuit board. The exterior is just as important to me as the interior. No one has been misled, except maybe for a few folks that maybe bought into your spin. And lets face it, there was nothing wrong with the s-video schematic I presented. The information was correct, and easy to read for beginners.

The fact is you were critical concerning it because the information was presented for people just learning how to do the stuff, and you felt threatened by this some how. Elitist, egotistical, threatened pocketbook, who knows your exact motivation. I could care less. The problem is you were thread crapping for no good reason other then you had some petty personal issue going on there with the sharing of information within the community. Anyway, thanks for the little chuckle you gave me today. Now I'm off to test a repaired Voodoo 2. Later guy.  :wink:

My forum isn't popular in the least.  If the authors of those mods complained to me about those posts then I'd happily remove or edit the posts to their liking.  And I did credit the authors instead of taking "random images from google" for examples.

I understand case modding is important too and I'm slowly getting better at that, but to me how well the mod works is always more important.  It's fine if we don't agree on this and I respect that.

I really wasn't trying to bash on your s-video circuit but no matter how I tried to put it you seemed to get annoyed.  Sorry for that.

I never felt "threatened" again that is all being made up.  I like to remind people that you can hire someone with experience, and that it's always good to start with really simple mods and patiently work your way up.  Once again my pocketbook doesn't care, I've never done a pc engine commission.  I also released the schematics and a guide after getting great help from modders here, obviously I wasn't trying to hide or protect anything.

Some people misinterpret what I'm trying to say and I can see you're doing just that.  Once again I wasn't trying to thread crap but I could see you were taking it that way.  Enjoy your voodoo 2.

Thanks again for getting rid of Regal, Joe! 

It's been so nice these last few days reading through the forum and not have to trudge through a bunch of retarded regal shit and all the retarded response posts then eventually derailed any interesting thread.

Woo hoo!

Have been gone for a bit, looks like i missed some action!

I've been wandering the internet the past few months searching for the truth, and I have to say that I think that keranu's approach to forum moderating is really the best approach for any community, especially an internet forum. I think that in a community such as ours, which really revolves around a niche or "off-the-beaten-path" console, we should have a high degree of tolerance for the weirdos among us. Me personally, one or two strange people, racist assholes, complete morons, or narrow minded simpletons would never motivate me to leave a forum.

Far worse for me is seeing a mob mentality develop around getting rid of someone, even if that someone is rude or says things i personally find apalling.

When there are mods committed to being very active and influential, theres more chance that the moderator will take sides in personal disputes... When you have moderators committed to a hands off approach, members have the freedom to resolve or not resolve disputes on their own.

So, then, what is the point of a moderator?

Quote from: guest on 10/22/2012, 08:10 PMSo, then, what is the point of a moderator?

the point of moderators is to protect the forum's existence by removing illegal material etc, and handling administrative tasks such as locking duplicate threads or perhaps moving threads to the appropriate forum.

Personally I think forum rules against offensive behavior are horrible. I dont believe anyone has the God given right to never be offended. On the contrary, I think that people have the right to be offended by whatever their beliefs and feelings dictate.

By the way, I should add that sometimes it is appropriate and right to gang up on someone, but I think its one of the most dangerous things in the whole world so we better be on the side of right when we do it. Usually our basis for judging others is imperfect.

Seems like I just had this conversation earlier today.

I'm not suggesting some sort of Gestapo or thought police. But when a member - RegalSin, for example - goes on a months long tirade, consistently posting gibberish, including racially offensive posts and basically advocating kiddie porn, that's not the type of environment most people want to be a part of.

This forum community does a great job of policing itself. But, as you said, you've been gone a while and probably didn't see what type of shit RegalSin was up to. And, this place is way better without him.

I totally understand what you're saying, rag-time, but I still maintain that RegalSin and xray had to go.

Chris

word (I concur)

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/22/2012, 10:03 PMI totally understand what you're saying, rag-time, but I still maintain that RegalSin and xray had to go.

Chris

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/22/2012, 10:03 PMI totally understand what you're saying, rag-time, but I still maintain that RegalSin and xray had to go.

Chris

I just read this xray thread: https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12857.0

It's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. And no, I dont think you do understand what I'm talking about. This thread shows that with a hands off approach to moderation, other members like yourself, mike, nightwolve, and arkhan were able to take some shots at xray and dig for more information about the guy.

I noticed many members were ready to dive in head first, just out of love for teh turbo/pce, but after some digging by mike et al many changed their minds. With active moderation, and sticking to the letter of the speech-limiting law, maybe mike, wolve, and yourself deserve to get tossed as well. I say the thread is a perfect example that liberty is the best solution. When members are free to question, test, and outright attack other members, people's character will come out for better or worse. Depending on active moderators to toss certain people is the solution of people who dont want to take responsibility for themselves in my view.

The argument i see being presented is that "we need more moderation to protect us from undesireables!" BS. How about taking the responsibility to get to know someone instead of rushing to send them your money? Sometimes, I've seen people take risks i wouldnt.... One time I remember henrycsc paid over a grand to a new member sicboy and got a haul of a collection... But bad things can happen too.

Quote from: guest on 10/22/2012, 09:21 PMSeems like I just had this conversation earlier today.

I'm not suggesting some sort of Gestapo or thought police. But when a member - RegalSin, for example - goes on a months long tirade, consistently posting gibberish, including racially offensive posts and basically advocating kiddie porn, that's not the type of environment most people want to be a part of.

This forum community does a great job of policing itself. But, as you said, you've been gone a while and probably didn't see what type of shit RegalSin was up to. And, this place is way better without him.

I read in this thread that Keranu warned him about his advocacy of kiddie porn in his posts and keranu said that he saw improvement, but was willing to ban him with approprate proof.

Personally, some of the most fun ive had here is in threads that have been derailed into the fantasy zone... And if regalsin ever derailed a thread of mine i wouldnt feel the need to get upset about it, especially since he almost always approaches topics from a totally different perspective than I or pretty much anyone else would.

This issue really shows that we've gotten away from the idea that a society based on freedom and liberty can function and thrive. It's a real shame.

The best way to handle undesireables is to use liberty the way mike has done here for many years: question and test people, hard if necessary. Both accuser and accused may learn something and grow from the experience. The community will benefit by gaining more information.

There have been members in the past who clashed with mike and wanted him banned for being overly aggressive, but time and again he takes the time to shed light on things that other members gloss over. The proper conclusion should be to encourage liberty, not to come up with arbitrary codes of conduct with arbitrary enforcement.

Welcome back rag-time! You had me worried for a second there, thinking that you were referring to the recent gang-up I, Professor and others took part in when it came to Xray and deciding that you were opposed to it in his case! When you drop pedophilia charges against my friends, well, I'm gonna take it personal and come after you! I didn't expect the whole making-Nazi-signs-in-his-garage stuff or hanging out at a place like chimpout, but given how he was throwing his weight around, being on a power trip because so many were smitten by his signs, I wanted to see him taken down! Turns out that there was so much material for that purpose that Mike and others had uncovered. I mostly verified things and put it all together in one audit-like post for all to see.

Quote from: NightWolve on 10/23/2012, 09:00 AMWelcome back rag-time! You had me worried for a second there, thinking that you were referring to the recent gang-up I, Professor and others took part in when it came to Xray and deciding that you were opposed to it in his case! When you drop pedophilia charges against my friends, well, I'm gonna take it personal and come after you! I didn't expect the whole making Nazi signs in his garage stuff or hanging out at a place like chimpout, but given how he was throwing his weight around, being on a power trip because so many were smitten by his signs, I wanted to see him taken down! Turns out that there was so much material for that purpose that Mike and others had uncovered. I mostly verified things and put it all together in one audit-like post for all to see.

Thanks wolve! Glad to see youre still active

Forgot to add: we have found over the years that when people of questionable character are questioned and pressed, they tend to not handle it well and hilarity often ensues.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 12:29 AM

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/22/2012, 10:03 PMI totally understand what you're saying, rag-time, but I still maintain that RegalSin and xray had to go.

Chris

I just read this xray thread: https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12857.0

It's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. And no, I dont think you do understand what I'm talking about. This thread shows that with a hands off approach to moderation, other members like yourself, mike, nightwolve, and arkhan were able to take some shots at xray and dig for more information about the guy.

I noticed many members were ready to dive in head first, just out of love for teh turbo/pce, but after some digging by mike et al many changed their minds. With active moderation, and sticking to the letter of the speech-limiting law, maybe mike, wolve, and yourself deserve to get tossed as well. I say the thread is a perfect example that liberty is the best solution. When members are free to question, test, and outright attack other members, people's character will come out for better or worse. Depending on active moderators to toss certain people is the solution of people who dont want to take responsibility for themselves in my view.

The argument i see being presented is that "we need more moderation to protect us from undesireables!" BS. How about taking the responsibility to get to know someone instead of rushing to send them your money? Sometimes, I've seen people take risks i wouldnt.... One time I remember henrycsc paid over a grand to a new member sicboy and got a haul of a collection... But bad things can happen too.

Quote from: guest on 10/22/2012, 09:21 PMSeems like I just had this conversation earlier today.

I'm not suggesting some sort of Gestapo or thought police. But when a member - RegalSin, for example - goes on a months long tirade, consistently posting gibberish, including racially offensive posts and basically advocating kiddie porn, that's not the type of environment most people want to be a part of.

This forum community does a great job of policing itself. But, as you said, you've been gone a while and probably didn't see what type of shit RegalSin was up to. And, this place is way better without him.

I read in this thread that Keranu warned him about his advocacy of kiddie porn in his posts and keranu said that he saw improvement, but was willing to ban him with approprate proof.

Personally, some of the most fun ive had here is in threads that have been derailed into the fantasy zone... And if regalsin ever derailed a thread of mine i wouldnt feel the need to get upset about it, especially since he almost always approaches topics from a totally different perspective than I or pretty much anyone else would.

This issue really shows that we've gotten away from the idea that a society based on freedom and liberty can function and thrive. It's a real shame.

The best way to handle undesireables is to use liberty the way mike has done here for many years: question and test people, hard if necessary. Both accuser and accused may learn something and grow from the experience. The community will benefit by gaining more information.

There have been members in the past who clashed with mike and wanted him banned for being overly aggressive, but time and again he takes the time to shed light on things that other members gloss over. The proper conclusion should be to encourage liberty, not to come up with arbitrary codes of conduct with arbitrary enforcement.

These are forums were there are clear proper rules of conduct that you agree to when you sign up like it or not. Xray, regal, fenix, all broke these rules in some cases well beyond what any sane human being would consider tolerable. This forum does have a place were others can let loose their crazy shit and your currently in it. Otherwise it makes sense to have some sort of decorum as to be respectful to the vast difference in opinions and beliefs that forums members have. Its called common decency. Mods had become extremely lax and until Joe stepped up, it was up to people like Mike, Jibbajabba, Knightwolve and a few others to have the guts to say enough is enough and do something about it. Your opinion is noted, but the community spoke clearly on this one. Xray and regal are gone and for good reason.  You can argue methods and semantics all day long, but racism and bigotry (xray), pedophilia (regal), and posting other personal information (fenix) simply have no place here or anywhere. Especially posting of personal information, that can have a tangible and negative impact immediately. Especially when the person affected has a family to consider. It was up to Mike to address that one as the mods were silent. You do the math.
I'm sure you will find a way to explain why we don't get it like you told Jibba, but we do, we just clearly don't agree. Maybe you don't get it...........my two cents.

Quote from: HercTNT on 10/23/2012, 10:10 AM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 12:29 AM

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/22/2012, 10:03 PMI totally understand what you're saying, rag-time, but I still maintain that RegalSin and xray had to go.

Chris

I just read this xray thread: https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12857.0

It's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. And no, I dont think you do understand what I'm talking about. This thread shows that with a hands off approach to moderation, other members like yourself, mike, nightwolve, and arkhan were able to take some shots at xray and dig for more information about the guy.

I noticed many members were ready to dive in head first, just out of love for teh turbo/pce, but after some digging by mike et al many changed their minds. With active moderation, and sticking to the letter of the speech-limiting law, maybe mike, wolve, and yourself deserve to get tossed as well. I say the thread is a perfect example that liberty is the best solution. When members are free to question, test, and outright attack other members, people's character will come out for better or worse. Depending on active moderators to toss certain people is the solution of people who dont want to take responsibility for themselves in my view.

The argument i see being presented is that "we need more moderation to protect us from undesireables!" BS. How about taking the responsibility to get to know someone instead of rushing to send them your money? Sometimes, I've seen people take risks i wouldnt.... One time I remember henrycsc paid over a grand to a new member sicboy and got a haul of a collection... But bad things can happen too.

Quote from: guest on 10/22/2012, 09:21 PMSeems like I just had this conversation earlier today.

I'm not suggesting some sort of Gestapo or thought police. But when a member - RegalSin, for example - goes on a months long tirade, consistently posting gibberish, including racially offensive posts and basically advocating kiddie porn, that's not the type of environment most people want to be a part of.

This forum community does a great job of policing itself. But, as you said, you've been gone a while and probably didn't see what type of shit RegalSin was up to. And, this place is way better without him.

I read in this thread that Keranu warned him about his advocacy of kiddie porn in his posts and keranu said that he saw improvement, but was willing to ban him with approprate proof.

Personally, some of the most fun ive had here is in threads that have been derailed into the fantasy zone... And if regalsin ever derailed a thread of mine i wouldnt feel the need to get upset about it, especially since he almost always approaches topics from a totally different perspective than I or pretty much anyone else would.

This issue really shows that we've gotten away from the idea that a society based on freedom and liberty can function and thrive. It's a real shame.

The best way to handle undesireables is to use liberty the way mike has done here for many years: question and test people, hard if necessary. Both accuser and accused may learn something and grow from the experience. The community will benefit by gaining more information.

There have been members in the past who clashed with mike and wanted him banned for being overly aggressive, but time and again he takes the time to shed light on things that other members gloss over. The proper conclusion should be to encourage liberty, not to come up with arbitrary codes of conduct with arbitrary enforcement.

These are forums were there are clear proper rules of conduct that you agree to when you sign up like it or not. Xray, regal, fenix, all broke these rules in some cases well beyond what any sane human being would consider tolerable. This forum does have a place were others can let loose their crazy shit and your currently in it. Otherwise it makes sense to have some sort of decorum as to be respectful to the vast difference in opinions and beliefs that forums members have. Its called common decency. Mods had become extremely lax and until Joe stepped up, it was up to people like Mike, Jibbajabba, Knightwolve and a few others to have the guts to say enough is enough and do something about it. Your opinion is noted, but the community spoke clearly on this one. Xray and regal are gone and for good reason.  You can argue methods and semantics all day long, but racism and bigotry (xray), pedophilia (regal), and posting other personal information (fenix) simply have no place here or anywhere. Especially posting of personal information, that can have a tangible and negative impact immediately. Especially when the person affected has a family to consider. It was up to Mike to address that one as the mods were silent. You do the math.
I'm sure you will find a way to explain why we don't get it like you told Jibba, but we do, we just clearly don't agree. Maybe you don't get it...........my two cents.

Thanks I glad someone else is on my side of things although Fenix is still here he has been rather quiet as of late other than bumping his sales threads. I think he learned his lesson but only time will tell if he becomes a productive member of these forums.

Yeah, I'm not sure how an internet forum with clear rules that have to be accepted upon signing up all of a sudden morphed into a conversation about life, liberty, and the pursuit to act like a fucking douche bag with zero consequence.

Quote from: guest on 10/23/2012, 11:21 AMYeah, I'm not sure how an internet forum with clear rules that have to be accepted upon signing up all of a sudden morphed into a conversation about life, liberty, and the pursuit to act like a fucking douche bag with zero consequence.

Exactly, and yet despite agreeing to said rules you always have one guy that feels the need to explain why the rules are just wrong. I'm getting tired of people jumping in to these forums, Noobs and long timers alike, that are being apologetic for other members clearly bad behavior. its one thing to disagree with rules and conduct, someone wants to be a robinhood and fight that man, thats there opinion. When people can't agree that racism, bigotry, sexism, and pedophilia is bad, you really have to wonder what the hell is wrong with them.  Most of the time people around here get along just fine. Xray and regal were special cases and they got theres. once that died down its been real quiet.

I really don't mind if someone comes here and says things that people don't like.  But when people come here just to troll, and to derail threads, I'm not worried about their liberty anymore.  RegalSin literally contributed ZERO around here, and I'm glad he's gone.  He was nothing but a drain.  Same goes for xray.  Once it became clear that he wasn't wanted here anymore, he turned into a troll and it was time for him to go.

Now, people like Nintega and JohnnyBlaze?  If they want to come here and try to repair the damage they did or whatever, then fuck it, let em.  Xray and RegalSin were NEVER here because they just wanted to talk about Turbo shit.  Regal is a professional troll, and that piece of white trash xray was only here for a quick buck (that according to him he didn't need and wasn't making anyway.)

So yes, rag-time, I DO understand what you're saying.  The last thing I want around here is heavy-handed moderation, and it's a slippery slope to get us there.  But what we should have around here is at least one person who has moderation powers and who actually gives a shit.  Because at the end of the day, someone with an axe to grind can come in here and spam/troll the shit out of the forums and there's nothing we can do about it.  Once we exposed xray for what he was, he acted like a pain in the dickhole for a few days and then got bored and left.  But Regal?  He was just picking up steam and was completely impervious to anything that any of us had to say.  He NEEDED to be banned.

Chris

Nintega should not be allowed back here. He went into stalking mode posing as someones wife and others on social networking or youtube crap or whatever, and also joined Digital Press to troll specifically, and also slandered not just Nat on the Duo deal, but also made false accusations against Nectarsis concerning transactions that obviously never took place. You cant really do anything to make up for all that kind of crap. He has attacked others not related to Pcefx in any sort of way.

Yeah This all stems from us trying to get the attention of mods. I am all for free speech as well but for christsake, regal had about 19 people ignoring him and nearly 1000 posts of utter nonsense and nothing happened till we were pretty much begging for him to be banned.

Well let's see...I joined this forum because I recently started getting into pc engine collecting.  I love the collecting, restoration, homebrew scene, and improvements on this classic piece of hardware.  I'm also discovering how great the library is.  I may not always agree with other members but I'm sure over time all wounds will heal since we all love the pc engine.

However if people like xray and regalsin were allowed to stay here I'd flat out be turned off from coming here.  I like how there's a fighting section of the forum, I think a little healthy fighting is fine because people will always have different opinions about things.  But when I see members here who clearly have no love or passion for the pc engine, I feel like this forum is stupid.  And when these people who have no care about the pc engine start causing trouble, it just gets really bad.

To sum things up...I'm with jibbajabba, and herctnt, and the others who're in agreeance.

Quote from: HercTNT on 10/23/2012, 11:43 AMExactly, and yet despite agreeing to said rules you always have one guy that feels the need to explain why the rules are just wrong. I'm getting tired of people jumping in to these forums, Noobs and long timers alike, that are being apologetic for other members clearly bad behavior. its one thing to disagree with rules and conduct, someone wants to be a robinhood and fight that man, thats there opinion. When people can't agree that racism, bigotry, sexism, and pedophilia is bad, you really have to wonder what the hell is wrong with them.  Most of the time people around here get along just fine. Xray and regal were special cases and they got theres. once that died down its been real quiet.

Are you saying here that I don't agree that racism, bigotry, sexism, and pedophilia are bad? If so, then I can wholeheartedly and correctly say that you have completely missed my point.

The only xray thread i've read is the one I linked to above, and I found it interesting that he took the time to write a really long response to the discussion of Nazi images he had on his desktop etc... I noticed he said he said he agreed with some of their points and disagreed with others. I liked that he said he disagreed with the mass atrocities, and I really liked his comparison to the mass killing committed by the U.S. in WWII when it illegally firebombed civilian targets in Germany and Japan, (not to mention the atomic bombings of two Japanese cities).

Quote from: HercTNT on 10/23/2012, 10:10 AMThese are forums were there are clear proper rules of conduct that you agree to when you sign up like it or not. Xray, regal, fenix, all broke these rules in some cases well beyond what any sane human being would consider tolerable. This forum does have a place were others can let loose their crazy shit and your currently in it. Otherwise it makes sense to have some sort of decorum as to be respectful to the vast difference in opinions and beliefs that forums members have. Its called common decency. Mods had become extremely lax and until Joe stepped up, it was up to people like Mike, Jibbajabba, Knightwolve and a few others to have the guts to say enough is enough and do something about it. Your opinion is noted, but the community spoke clearly on this one. Xray and regal are gone and for good reason.  You can argue methods and semantics all day long, but racism and bigotry (xray), pedophilia (regal), and posting other personal information (fenix) simply have no place here or anywhere. Especially posting of personal information, that can have a tangible and negative impact immediately. Especially when the person affected has a family to consider. It was up to Mike to address that one as the mods were silent. You do the math.
I'm sure you will find a way to explain why we don't get it like you told Jibba, but we do, we just clearly don't agree. Maybe you don't get it...........my two cents.

My opinion is noted [then discarded?], yet I am as much "the community" as you are. The fact that most who have chimed in here agree with you does not give you the right to speak for "the community" as a whole. Sounds like exclusionary groupthink to me.

I commend your disdain for racism and bigotry, pedophilia, and unwanted posting of personal info, but where I question you is when you say things like "it was up to Mike", and elsewhere you said that Mike, wolve, jibba, and a few others were willing to speak up... As I see it, "the community" should be free to speak up when others post offensive stuff, without having to involve moderators at all. Why do moderators have to enforce standards of common decency? Why can't the community handle indecent members / posts without calling for more aggressive mods?

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 10/23/2012, 06:42 PMI really don't mind if someone comes here and says things that people don't like.  But when people come here just to troll, and to derail threads, I'm not worried about their liberty anymore.  RegalSin literally contributed ZERO around here, and I'm glad he's gone.  He was nothing but a drain.  Same goes for xray.  Once it became clear that he wasn't wanted here anymore, he turned into a troll and it was time for him to go.

Now, people like Nintega and JohnnyBlaze?  If they want to come here and try to repair the damage they did or whatever, then fuck it, let em.  Xray and RegalSin were NEVER here because they just wanted to talk about Turbo shit.  Regal is a professional troll, and that piece of white trash xray was only here for a quick buck (that according to him he didn't need and wasn't making anyway.)

So yes, rag-time, I DO understand what you're saying.  The last thing I want around here is heavy-handed moderation, and it's a slippery slope to get us there.  But what we should have around here is at least one person who has moderation powers and who actually gives a shit.  Because at the end of the day, someone with an axe to grind can come in here and spam/troll the shit out of the forums and there's nothing we can do about it.  Once we exposed xray for what he was, he acted like a pain in the dickhole for a few days and then got bored and left.  But Regal?  He was just picking up steam and was completely impervious to anything that any of us had to say.  He NEEDED to be banned.

Chris

Why would something as silly as trolling and thread derailing be enough for you to give up something so sacred as liberty? I'm not willing to give up on liberty easily, and I believe strongly that it works in a practical sense.

This forum has gone through this same issue before, where many members spoke up about the lack of active moderators.... I believe Keranu was flying solo at that time. That was when Aaron added Joe and Nat to the moderator crew, giving us three mods, and rules were added to each section. While we've gained many great new members since, we've also lost some. People come and go regardless. In my opinion, having Joe and Nat added to the staff has helped get threads moved to appropriate boards faster, and that type of stuff makes the boards better, but having people banned more efficiently I could care less about.

Coming here for the first time back when Keranu was the only mod, my mind was opened to the possibility of how community interaction on a message board could/would function without banning people who belligerently failed or refused to fit in... and I found it both refreshing and exciting, and I found lots of great people and content here in that environment (many of whom are still here btw)

Speaking personally, I'm no 'professional troll', but I was banned from a message board once. In my case, I felt I was speaking out against racism and unfair treatment, but most of the people on the forum disagreed and didn't want to hear what I had to say. I was recently blocked from a facebook group as well, the local county Republican party's group, for being too critical of Romney. I feel really good about it, by the way, because there was another member who advocated genocide against the middle east (let's economize and drop all our bombs at once, and turn the whole region into glass, were close to her exact words), and that member was not blocked from the group.

Quote from: guest on 10/23/2012, 11:21 AMYeah, I'm not sure how an internet forum with clear rules that have to be accepted upon signing up all of a sudden morphed into a conversation about life, liberty, and the pursuit to act like a fucking douche bag with zero consequence.

I agree that we do indeed agree to the rules when we join. My issue is that we can still enforce the rules while emphasizing liberty. We can do this with a more relaxed approach to moderating. Far from zero consequence, being relaxed in moderating allows for more open criticism / questioning / attack of members, so it can be even more important to have a strong sense of decorum with how you treat others, since no holds will be barred in how others respond to you.

Some people can thrive in such an environment, while others are used to having nanny moderators take care of things.

Quote from: PunkCryborg on 10/23/2012, 08:32 PMYeah This all stems from us trying to get the attention of mods. I am all for free speech as well but for christsake, regal had about 19 people ignoring him and nearly 1000 posts of utter nonsense and nothing happened till we were pretty much begging for him to be banned.

Though I haven't been around for a while, I never had a problem with regal's posts. First non chit-chat I pulled here was a good one:

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=11761.msg257850#msg257850

Rough grammar, etc, but as a review as worthwhile as anyone's.

Free speech, in my view, is something we have to have a deep, passionate commitment to, otherwise it's not really free at all.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMagree that we do indeed agree to the rules when we join. My issue is that we can still enforce the rules while emphasizing liberty. We can do this with a more relaxed approach to moderating. Far from zero consequence, being relaxed in moderating allows for more open criticism / questioning / attack of members, so it can be even more important to have a strong sense of decorum with how you treat others, since no holds will be barred in how others respond to you.

Honestly, I don't know what your point is. Nobody is suggesting we turn these forums into a nanny state, so there's no need to get all Tea Party on the subject. The whole reason I started this thread, and the whole reason it took on 12 pages, is because forum members - who have been here contributing for years - were tired of people like RegalSin carpet-bombing this place with absolute bullshit for months with zero consequence other than, "Well, if he mentions kid-fucking again maybe I'll ban him."

This isn't a first amendment issue that requires a shallow free speech debate. This is about once in a while taking out somebody who consistently pisses on everyone's good time. The people who were banned had ZERO interest in contributing here. They were here solely to troll, annoy people, and disrupt conversations. That should be "protected"? Horse shit.

Jibba: I also want to add this: I think that to say, even indirectly, that Keranu doesn't give a shit can be seen as pretty disrespectful. His approach to moderating is rooted in his deeper worldview. Keranu sets a good example as a mod: He's about the last person here you would ever expect to treat another member unkindly, even the wackos. Yet he doesn't need a moderator to force others to be kind to him, nor does he feel the need to grovel to a moderator when someone is unkind to him.

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/02/2012, 08:48 PMRegal Sin hasn't done anything ban-worthy yet.  He's just creepy.

Promoting child porn isn't ban worthy? That just shows that this entire thread is very justified, as you seem to have completely missed that one.

Yes, I am only on like page 4 of this thread. I'm catching up!

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMThe only xray thread i've read is the one I linked to above, and I found it interesting that he took the time to write a really long response to the discussion of Nazi images he had on his desktop etc... I noticed he said he said he agreed with some of their points and disagreed with others. I liked that he said he disagreed with the mass atrocities, and I really liked his comparison to the mass killing committed by the U.S. in WWII when it illegally firebombed civilian targets in Germany and Japan, (not to mention the atomic bombings of two Japanese cities).

History is written by the victors, no doubt. Yes, the US did horrible things in WWII. I still find it disgusting that you'd equate what the Nazi's did with the fire bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, or the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I don't know what your background is. I know the Japanese see what we did as absolutely horrible and uncalled for and to be honest I agree. I can also tell you I grew up in the place that was responsible for this. I was delivering papers on bathtub row 20 years ago and yeah that was a long time from WWII, but no one I talked to saw genocide as an acceptable solution. I've been to Hiroshima as well and I've never experienced a sense of guilt and downright disgust as I did walking through what remained of the ruins from that bombing. I still think any equivalence of the US's actions in WWII with genocide as wholely uncalled for.

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Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMThe only xray thread i've read is the one I linked to above, and I found it interesting that he took the time to write a really long response to the discussion of Nazi images he had on his desktop etc... I noticed he said he said he agreed with some of their points and disagreed with others. I liked that he said he disagreed with the mass atrocities, and I really liked his comparison to the mass killing committed by the U.S. in WWII when it illegally firebombed civilian targets in Germany and Japan, (not to mention the atomic bombings of two Japanese cities).

History is written by the victors, no doubt. Yes, the US did horrible things in WWII. I still find it disgusting that you'd equate what the Nazi's did with the fire bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, or the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I don't know what your background is. I know the Japanese see what we did as absolutely horrible and uncalled for and to be honest I agree. I can also tell you I grew up in the place that was responsible for this. I was delivering papers on bathtub row 20 years ago and yeah that was a long time from WWII, but no one I talked to saw genocide as an acceptable solution. I've been to Hiroshima as well and I've never experienced a sense of guilt and downright disgust as I did walking through what remained of the ruins from that bombing. I still think any equivalence of the US's actions in WWII with genocide as wholely uncalled for.

This conversation has happened at least once before, good luck changing his mind ;) LOL

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Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMagree that we do indeed agree to the rules when we join. My issue is that we can still enforce the rules while emphasizing liberty. We can do this with a more relaxed approach to moderating. Far from zero consequence, being relaxed in moderating allows for more open criticism / questioning / attack of members, so it can be even more important to have a strong sense of decorum with how you treat others, since no holds will be barred in how others respond to you.

Honestly, I don't know what your point is. Nobody is suggesting we turn these forums into a nanny state, so there's no need to get all Tea Party on the subject. The whole reason I started this thread, and the whole reason it took on 12 pages, is because forum members - who have been here contributing for years - were tired of people like RegalSin carpet-bombing this place with absolute bullshit for months with zero consequence other than, "Well, if he mentions kid-fucking again maybe I'll ban him."

This isn't a first amendment issue that requires a shallow free speech debate. This is about once in a while taking out somebody who consistently pisses on everyone's good time. The people who were banned had ZERO interest in contributing here. They were here solely to troll, annoy people, and disrupt conversations. That should be "protected"? Horse shit.

My point is, I think your call for more militant mods is in fact a call for a nanny state. You seem to want to have a mod that you can turn to when you feel offended. I say we'd all be better off if we took responsibility for our own feelings and called people out when they offend us.

Regal was carpet bombing you say? Why not ignore or skip if the first line or two dont catch you? Why resort to banning? Regal did indeed seem genuinely interested in the PCE, and xray may have been as well since he seemed to show up here with a turbo-related project... After his (deserved) reception, xray lost interest.

A free speech debate is never shallow for someone with a deep commitment to it as a principle and way of life. I agree this isnt a 1st amendment issue, since were not dealing with government. But I do think it is a free speech debate that gets to the core issue of how we should handle free speech on this forum. I'm for building a community where its near impossible to get banned. I think liberty works better.

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Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/02/2012, 08:48 PMRegal Sin hasn't done anything ban-worthy yet.  He's just creepy.

Promoting child porn isn't ban worthy? That just shows that this entire thread is very justified, as you seem to have completely missed that one.

Yes, I am only on like page 4 of this thread. I'm catching up!

Well, page 7 I have now read. I guess that's done now.

Quote from: Sadler on 10/23/2012, 11:39 PM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMThe only xray thread i've read is the one I linked to above, and I found it interesting that he took the time to write a really long response to the discussion of Nazi images he had on his desktop etc... I noticed he said he said he agreed with some of their points and disagreed with others. I liked that he said he disagreed with the mass atrocities, and I really liked his comparison to the mass killing committed by the U.S. in WWII when it illegally firebombed civilian targets in Germany and Japan, (not to mention the atomic bombings of two Japanese cities).

History is written by the victors, no doubt. Yes, the US did horrible things in WWII. I still find it disgusting that you'd equate what the Nazi's did with the fire bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, or the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I don't know what your background is. I know the Japanese see what we did as absolutely horrible and uncalled for and to be honest I agree. I can also tell you I grew up in the place that was responsible for this. I was delivering papers on bathtub row 20 years ago and yeah that was a long time from WWII, but no one I talked to saw genocide as an acceptable solution. I've been to Hiroshima as well and I've never experienced a sense of guilt and downright disgust as I did walking through what remained of the ruins from that bombing. I still think any equivalence of the US's actions in WWII with genocide as wholely uncalled for.

I think the murder of innocent people is equivalent to the murder of innocent people. I certainly agree that the death toll was much higher under the Germans, but I think the morality and illegality of the murder is a fair comparison. Sadly, many of the racist ideas propagated by Hitler, such as Eugenics, find their roots in the U.S. Hitler wanted to do something similar to Eastern Europe and the Jews that the U.S. did to Native Americans in terms of expansion of territory. As far as xray goes, he didn't agree with the genocide so thumbs up to him for that lol

Do you know what genocide is? Do you think the US participated in genocide in WWII?

He only says he didn't. At first he denied his activity on chimpout also. No one actually knows whether or not he actually supported the death-camp murders or not. The guy was not exactly a pillar of outspoken self-truth on the matter. Mainly his interest was to try to soak up a few more sales before splitting, admitting only to the bare minimal, trying to spin it in a positive light, trying to save a little face in order to do so.

The Jews in no way had ANY bearing on Hitlers ambition for expansion of territory, not even close to comparable.

Quote from: Sadler on 10/24/2012, 12:27 AMDo you know what genocide is? Do you think the US participated in genocide in WWII?

The definition of genocide is still an issue of controversy in the international community, so I don't pretend to have the perfect definition worked out yet. Do you? I do believe the US participated in genocidal behavior, but I don't think that the US ever set complete genocide as a strategy goal the way Hitler did.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/24/2012, 12:27 AMHe only says he didn't. At first he denied his activity on chimpout also. No one actually knows whether or not he actually supported the death-camp murders or not. The guy was not exactly a pillar of outspoken self-truth on the matter. Mainly his interest was to try to soak up a few more sales before splitting, admitting only to the bare minimal, trying to spin it in a positive light, trying to save a little face in order to do so.

You're right, what he said and what he actually believes may certainly be two different things. Nobody asked him what points of the Nazis he did believe in lol ... I have to admit I'm curious what ideas he would admit to agreeing with.

Quote from: nectarsis on 10/24/2012, 12:28 AMThe Jews in no way had ANY bearing on Hitlers ambition for expansion of territory, not even close to comparable.

But Jews weren't the only people killed by Hitler and the Nazis. The "living space" he wanted was to be had in Eastern Europe if I'm not mistaken, and all the slavic, non-nordic peoples were targets... and there were certainly many many Jews in Eastern Europe and Russia. So I disagree with you here.

Man if the guy would have talked about something cool like uboats instead of racist crap I would have tolerated him. Speaking of which, there really should be a port of Wolfpack to the Turbo/PCE. Hmm..

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/24/2012, 12:44 AM

Quote from: nectarsis on 10/24/2012, 12:28 AMThe Jews in no way had ANY bearing on Hitlers ambition for expansion of territory, not even close to comparable.

But Jews weren't the only people killed by Hitler and the Nazis. The "living space" he wanted was to be had in Eastern Europe if I'm not mistaken, and all the slavic, non-nordic peoples were targets... and there were certainly many many Jews in Eastern Europe and Russia. So I disagree with you here.

Yet they were one of the main/biggest targets that had little/nothing to do in stopping his conquest of those lands (and obviously not just eastern europe)....how/why was it necessary to purge them (as they were used as a scapegoat for everything under the sun)...oh wait they were just undesirable.  It was far from necessary to attempt to wipe out an entire race as he didn't do the same for all peoples in the affected areas.

Quote from: nectarsis on 10/24/2012, 12:51 AM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/24/2012, 12:44 AM

Quote from: nectarsis on 10/24/2012, 12:28 AMThe Jews in no way had ANY bearing on Hitlers ambition for expansion of territory, not even close to comparable.

But Jews weren't the only people killed by Hitler and the Nazis. The "living space" he wanted was to be had in Eastern Europe if I'm not mistaken, and all the slavic, non-nordic peoples were targets... and there were certainly many many Jews in Eastern Europe and Russia. So I disagree with you here.

Yet they were one of the main/biggest targets that had little/nothing to do in stopping his conquest of those lands (and obviously not just eastern europe)....how/why was it necessary to purge them (as they were used as a scapegoat for everything under the sun)...oh wait they were just undesirable.  It was far from necessary to attempt to wipe out an entire race as he didn't do the same for all peoples in the affected areas.

I think that in countries like Poland and Russia, Jews actually did represent a sizeable minority in the respective militaries of those countries.

A quick search pulled this book that might be interesting: http://www.zchor.org/meirtchak/biblio.htm

Jews were certainly a sizeable minority of the civilian population in Poland and Russia, and large numbers of them had to be relocated / removed in order for the master race to have their 'living space'. The generally recognized death toll of the holocaust is 6 million jews, 5 million others. So in Hitler's scale of race heirarchy, Jews were first in his line of fire but they certainly werent alone. I think because Jews represented a sizeable minority of the population in Poland and Russia, and that just happened to be where Hitler wanted his 'living space', we can't get away from linking the killing of Jews to the expansion of territory. I'd be willing to agree that expansion of territory was not the only factor in Hitler's targetting of the Jews, but I do believe it was a factor.

Changing your wording to fit I see.  No one denies it prob was ONE of the reasons (though far from necessary), but they were used for scapegoats long before any territorial expansion occurred.  Plus sizable minority, still leaves the majority, but they were ok (at the time).   Also if we go by those figures 6 million of ONE group, the other five of many, many other groups is far from =/=.

Regardless of spin....the tactics, and reasoning (much less VERY different times, places, population, land areas in question, etc, etc) of Hitler vs American settlers are so far apart it's barely comparable.

Quote from: nectarsis on 10/24/2012, 01:21 AMChanging your wording to fit I see.  No one denies it prob was ONE of the reasons (though far from necessary), but they were used for scapegoats long before any territorial expansion occurred.  Plus sizable minority, still leaves the majority, but they were ok (at the time).   Also if we go by those figures 6 million of ONE group, the other five of many, many other groups is far from =/=.

Regardless of spin....the tactics, and reasoning (much less VERY different times, places, population, land areas in question, etc, etc) of Hitler vs American settlers are so far apart it's barely comparable.

My initial wording was that Germany wanted to do something similar to what the US did, in terms of territorial expansion. Without any spin, tactics, etc... the root of the issue, as I see it, is a political strategy of replacing / relocating one population group with another population group. If I'm changing wording it's because you're getting into differences in the details, which I wasn't talking about when I said that I thought the US policy of expansion into Native American land was similar to the Nazi policy of expanding into the land of Jews and other Eastern Europeans.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/24/2012, 12:44 AMYou're right, what he said and what he actually believes may certainly be two different things. Nobody asked him what points of the Nazis he did believe in lol ... I have to admit I'm curious what ideas he would admit to agreeing with.

Why, who the fuck cares how far his beliefs as a wannabe Nazi racist goes, or which parts of the Master Plan he was ok with or not ok with? Why would you want to be concerned with it? It doesn't mater if he was fine with Crystal Night, but not cool with the death camps. It doesn't matter if he was cool with packing Jews into ghettos and leaving them to starve slowly over killing them faster in death-camps after working them like slaves for a few weeks. It was all bad, that's all that matters. Morally, you cant sit there and say that there was any positive benefits to the ruler-ship of the Nazi Party, or the SA or SS. Nor positive beliefs for that matter.

Whatever supposed positives that were reaped by the German population from that political party were at the total expense of Jews and others property, and eventually, their lives, right down to their corpses gold fillings. The Nazi party brought unity to Germany and Austria sure. But only by lying and making out the Jews, among others, to be the enemy of the economy, and the nation and its unity. They didn't just sit there at all those national conventions and tell people to hold hands and sing songs of merry about how all the races should unite as one for economic and political change. Before Hitler came to complete power people knew what he was about in Germany. No one cared. Everyone wanted someone to blame for the state of things, and someone to act their vengeance out for them, and the Jews politically made a great scapegoat, universally hated, ready to be robbed and exploited before finally being put to death. If you could ever describe someone as being considered a natural resource to be plundered, like oil or coal, sadly, the Jews were it.

BIG difference...the settlers coming over to America didn't have the "let's wipe X group off the planet/blame them for everything wrong"  like Hitler/a GOOD chunk of the German population did...so once again far from the same.

Plus, we've got casinos now, so that all worked out.

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Quote from: guest on 10/23/2012, 11:13 PM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMagree that we do indeed agree to the rules when we join. My issue is that we can still enforce the rules while emphasizing liberty. We can do this with a more relaxed approach to moderating. Far from zero consequence, being relaxed in moderating allows for more open criticism / questioning / attack of members, so it can be even more important to have a strong sense of decorum with how you treat others, since no holds will be barred in how others respond to you.

Honestly, I don't know what your point is. Nobody is suggesting we turn these forums into a nanny state, so there's no need to get all Tea Party on the subject. The whole reason I started this thread, and the whole reason it took on 12 pages, is because forum members - who have been here contributing for years - were tired of people like RegalSin carpet-bombing this place with absolute bullshit for months with zero consequence other than, "Well, if he mentions kid-fucking again maybe I'll ban him."

This isn't a first amendment issue that requires a shallow free speech debate. This is about once in a while taking out somebody who consistently pisses on everyone's good time. The people who were banned had ZERO interest in contributing here. They were here solely to troll, annoy people, and disrupt conversations. That should be "protected"? Horse shit.

My point is, I think your call for more militant mods is in fact a call for a nanny state. You seem to want to have a mod that you can turn to when you feel offended. I say we'd all be better off if we took responsibility for our own feelings and called people out when they offend us.

Regal was carpet bombing you say? Why not ignore or skip if the first line or two dont catch you? Why resort to banning? Regal did indeed seem genuinely interested in the PCE, and xray may have been as well since he seemed to show up here with a turbo-related project... After his (deserved) reception, xray lost interest.

A free speech debate is never shallow for someone with a deep commitment to it as a principle and way of life. I agree this isnt a 1st amendment issue, since were not dealing with government. But I do think it is a free speech debate that gets to the core issue of how we should handle free speech on this forum. I'm for building a community where its near impossible to get banned. I think liberty works better.

It has NOTHING to do with me being "offended". I don't get offended. I don't have time for that bullshit. 19 people were ignoring RegalSin. Some people said they came to the forum less because of him. And I'm sure Aaron (the owner of this site) would've been less than pleased to know that a dude who espoused kiddie porn was hanging out on his site.

I think you're letting your political/societal views confuse the fact that this is a fucking videogame forum! This isn't a bunch of guys wanting to be coddled by babysitters so their precious sensibilities can be protected. It's simply a group of people getting together saying, "This person is a fucking worthless asshole. Let's chuck him out of here." If a group of people were hanging out together, say at a weekly poker party, and one of them kept interjecting with asinine bullshit - including spouting racist bullshit and kiddie porn propaganda - you wouldn't be like, "Let's keep hanging out with Jim. Sure, he's a fucking psycho and annoys the shit out of us, but it's his right to do so." No. You'd say, "Jim, get the fuck out of my house."

For God's sake, man. This isn't about "liberty". As many have said before, being a part of this forum isn't a "right". Nowhere in the constitution does it say, "As an American, you are guaranteed access to the pcengine-fx.com forum community."

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/24/2012, 09:47 AMPlus, we've got casinos now, so that all worked out.

This made me laugh.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMThis forum has gone through this same issue before, where many members spoke up about the lack of active moderators.... I believe Keranu was flying solo at that time. That was when Aaron added Joe and Nat to the moderator crew, giving us three mods, and rules were added to each section. While we've gained many great new members since, we've also lost some. People come and go regardless. In my opinion, having Joe and Nat added to the staff has helped get threads moved to appropriate boards faster, and that type of stuff makes the boards better, but having people banned more efficiently I could care less about.

You're obviously out of the loop: Nat is busy with real life and hasn't been here for quite some time, Joe isn't one to actively read the forums and take care of housekeeping duties (moving threads, merging duplicates, etc.), and Keranu is as useless as ever.  Outside of Joe doing an admirable job of approving new members in a timely manner, we don't have mods here.

I'm too hot and too tired to say much about the rest of your bullshit arguments, other than to say that one's right to liberty deserves to be limited when they start impinging on the liberty of others.  Sure we could've just ignored the problem*, but we shouldn't have to sift through line after line of bullshit.

* - As an extreme example, would you advocate turning a blind eye to a neighbor that's beating his wife and kids?  You wouldn't want to impede on his right to do what he enjoys, so a letter in his mailbox asking him to take it down a notch (no bruises!) or to at least be a little more quiet so it's easier for you to ignore them would suffice, right?

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This is why you should be a moderator.

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This is why you should be a moderator.

Why hasn't that happened yet?

From what I understand, none of the current "active" moderators have the ability to create new moderators.

Quote from: guest on 10/24/2012, 11:11 AM...and Keranu is as useless as ever.

Hey now, that's not true! I think I move more threads and handle simple requests around here more than the other mods! Minute things, but not useless!

Quote from: Keranu on 10/24/2012, 01:25 PMHey now, that's not true! I think I move more threads and handle simple requests around here more than the other mods! Minute things, but not useless!

I stand corrected; I didn't think anyone was bothering with that stuff any more.

In order to create Moderators (enabling rights) you must have administrative rights.

I get that. I'm wondering why no one has gotten ahold of Aaron to actually make it happen. And if someone has, why hasnt he acted on it? Can't say the site couldn't use someone like NecroPhile moderating.

 Sure he doesn't care about his own site, but have enough respect for everyone else here that want changes.

I tried contacting him on Twitter. Even linked to this thread. No response.

Rag, you really need to do your homework before you start ranting. Its all well thought and nicely written but I have an issue with your logic. When I said the community has spoken no where did I suggest that I speak for the community. If you read the thread and multiple others dealing with regal, you will find that a large part of the active community has been speaking about and wanting his removal. Thus the community has spoken on many occasions, and thats what I pointed out.  I'm sorry you don't like the fact that a few people commented on my statement, but I don't speak for them nor do I need to convince them of anything. They already wanted xray and regal gone which is why they agreed with me, and are currently disagreeing with you now. Don't put words in my mouth, or assume anything unless you know what your talking about. That being said, the topic i discussed with you was about two forum members behaving badly and getting delt with. Not this past/present geo-political rant your turning it into now.

Rag, you just showed back up after a long absence.  You weren't actually here for the xray incident, nor did you suffer through Regal crop-dusting the forums on a daily basis with his unique brand of insanity.  You're simply showing up after the fact and reading this thread, which was created as a direct result of xray and Regal, and are now judging us for what you perceive as our willingness to give up our "liberties" in order to have a quieter and more civil forum.

My comment about moderators "not giving a shit" was referring to Joe, who basically admitted that he didn't give a shit.  Of course, you would know that if you regularly read the forums instead of just wandering in here and jumping up on a soap box for some Monday morning quarterbacking.

And while I'm at it, fuck the Germans.  Fuck the Japanese, too.  You go listen to a Bataan death march survivor speak (as I did) and watch a grown fucking man and a World War II hero reduced to fucking tears 60 years later talking about what he went through seeing his friends die by his side in Japanese death camps, to say nothing of what they did to the Chinese, and see how bad you still feel about the fact that we firebombed the fuck out of those assholes.  Fucking EVERYTHING that we did to the Germans and the Japanese in WWII was brought on by themselves.  I have absolutely ZERO problem with it.  We sat out that war for a good long time, and once we entered it because THEY started shit, we (along with our allies) fucking finished it.  And that being said, fuck anyone who thinks that Nazi symbolism looks cool.  You want to make money making plastic SA signs?  I hope the state police shows up at your house and drags you off to a death camp.  Then we'll see how cool you think a swastika looks.

Is it fucked up that innocent people get killed due to choices that they didn't make?  Fuck yeah, it is.  But guess what?  We didn't herd ~12 million people into gas chambers and invade our neighbor countries for the fuck of it.  We didn't murder our entire middle class because they were too educated and might call us on our bullshit.  We didn't do whatever you call what the fucked up Japanese were doing over there, and we certainly didn't sail over to Japan and attack their fleet while we were in a state of peace with them. We also didn't fucking fly two planeloads of innocent civilians into two buildings full of more innocent civilians.  Are we perfect?  Fuck no.  But we don't deal well with barbarism, and that's the common denominator among almost every enemy that we've ever had.

Chris

Sorry jibba, forgot to remove my reference as well. Fixed now.

Quote from: HercTNT on 10/24/2012, 06:29 PM

QuoteSome fucked up shit.

Jibba, I know this is fighting street and all but this is way out of line.  I can see your worked up over his comments, but if your gonna attack him, leave his family out of it.

I don't mean it literally.  I'm just saying, he admires and profits from the symbolism used by people who did exactly that.  Maybe if he walked a mile in their victims' shoes, he'd be singing a different tune.

Chris

EDIT:  I fixed my original post for you, Herc.  Sorry, I was in a bit of a bad mood earlier.

No worries, the wording just needed some work.

Wow a whole buncha new pages. No way I'm reading all that, but I definitely see some talk about Nazis and Jews and genocide and whatnot. If any of you are comparing ANY of that shit to forum operations, then wow. Just wow.

I wanted to say thanks to Sadler and Jibbajaba for conveying my thoughts for the most part when someone tries these lacking-in-context, moral equivalency games/comparisons (e.g. The US killed innocent people, the Nazis killed innocent people, so, um, therefore the US is no better or worse than the Nazis in a sense, etc.)... :roll:

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMand I really liked his comparison to the mass killing committed by the U.S. in WWII when it illegally firebombed civilian targets in Germany and Japan, (not to mention the atomic bombings of two Japanese cities).

I do happen to find it peculiar, selective to use "illegally" in this case. I don't think we ran around saying, "Hey, did you hear, the Japanese illegally bombed Pearl Harbor!!! Those Jap bastards!!!!", or, "The Nazis illegally sent millions of Jews to their deaths!", or how about, ""Osama set a plan into motion where terrorists illegally hijacked commercial airplanes and illegally used them as missiles to fly them into buildings, both civilian and governmental!!! Osama, you damn bastard! Follow the damn international legal code next time you wanna engage in warfare!!!", did we ?? That'd be rather kinda redundant, silly to do that, wouldn't it ?? We "illegally" dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan to end the war... OK, but the question of far more import or relevance is, was it morally justifiable at the time given the circumstances ??? Were all other possible options exhausted ?? Was it purely as a last resort ?

Mind you, I don't wanna sound like "all legal codes be damned" in a time of warfare by making this point the way that I did, but this WAS WORLD WAR II, and all of our legal codes are not a suicide pact if it means an unbearable body count of our soldiers and a possible loss of the War of all wars, and hence a possible complete end of our way of life... This was a fighting warrior culture that was out of control in the region, that had even pioneered suicide bombing (kamikaze), planes being flown into ships, I mean, Osama Bin Laden wasn't exactly original when it comes to the 9/11 plot... Anyhow, ANY killing of innocent civilians (AKA collateral damage) in a war is "illegal", but that cannot be prevented from happening in a state of war in general and given how dire or desperate the circumstances can become, as was the case during the WWII era, there was some level of moral justification to end the war and prevent further deaths by using the nuclear option or what you're referring to so that the people would rise up against their governments that had brought this death upon them, for unjust, immoral wars of conquest, not of defense, etc. All of which helped to expedite the surrenders, etc. Yesss, sounds very much like a dirty, immoral tactic, but it's a reflection of the time and possibly how dire it was thought the situation was. Easy to Monday morning quarterback this now...

Also, ragtime, on the main subject, the thing is, you're sounding the alarm as if we might be somehow headed for crushing over-regulation/moderation of this forum at a point when we have practically ZERO regulation/moderation, as in anarchy, which is what inspired the creation of this thread in the first place... It wasn't a situation where the moderation here was so-so, sometimes too much, sometimes too little, it's a situation where aside from RegalSin being showed the exit, there's been nothing... I assume I'll get caught up in some of that potential moderation myself, but I'm cognizant of people's rationale why they prefer more positive, less negative, less "spam" in the general forum area. I'm not keen on dedicating a thread back in here every time a conflict arises elsewhere is the thing, but I will admit it is a good idea in principle. Xray for example, that was entirely morally justifiable to engage in all threads, most especially his sales threads to deny him from profiting from our members as much as possible. But, that's an easy case to make...

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/25/2012, 03:14 AMWow a whole buncha new pages. No way I'm reading all that, but I definitely see some talk about Nazis and Jews and genocide and whatnot. If any of you are comparing ANY of that shit to forum operations, then wow. Just wow.

No worries, that wasn't what was happening, Joe. Xray had made a kind of comparison between the Nazis versus the US (something like that) to give his ass some moral cover (among the other things he tried) and ragtime brought that issue up which then resulted in the taking of the political tangent that we now see before us...

The US people have hair, nazis have hair, ZOMFG THEY'RE JUST AS BAD!!!!

After reading through this thread, I think it's clear that all moderators need to step down.

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 10/27/2012, 03:01 PMAfter reading through this thread, I think it's clear that all moderators need to step down.

I was under the impression that you wanted the current mods gone ages ago.  :P

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 10/27/2012, 03:01 PMAfter reading through this thread, I think it's clear that all moderators need to step down.

No one moderates this particular forum though... it just kind of moderates itself.

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Quote from: m1savage on 10/27/2012, 09:49 PMm1sz1.com/pics/deadhorse.gif
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Hey, nice one! If I had admin powers here, I would add it to the smileys list.

You'd need Admin powers and FTP access unless the board has a function that allows smiley uploads from admins without direct FTP access (vBulletin does).

It should - The latest 2.xxx version of SMF which I use has an 'Upload New Smiley' feature, so simple as can be, but I'm not sure Aaron's 1.xxx version does (most likely). But anyway, in all seriousness, somebody should talk to Aaron to ask if he can give a trusted, active, long-time veteran some admin powers so that we can drop easy requests that can get handled. That person can handle moderator appointment as well. But I guess he never found someone to ever trust like that, eh?

He does not respond. It's almost useless asking.

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Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMThis forum has gone through this same issue before, where many members spoke up about the lack of active moderators.... I believe Keranu was flying solo at that time. That was when Aaron added Joe and Nat to the moderator crew, giving us three mods, and rules were added to each section. While we've gained many great new members since, we've also lost some. People come and go regardless. In my opinion, having Joe and Nat added to the staff has helped get threads moved to appropriate boards faster, and that type of stuff makes the boards better, but having people banned more efficiently I could care less about.

You're obviously out of the loop: Nat is busy with real life and hasn't been here for quite some time, Joe isn't one to actively read the forums and take care of housekeeping duties (moving threads, merging duplicates, etc.), and Keranu is as useless as ever.  Outside of Joe doing an admirable job of approving new members in a timely manner, we don't have mods here.

I'm too hot and too tired to say much about the rest of your bullshit arguments, other than to say that one's right to liberty deserves to be limited when they start impinging on the liberty of others.  Sure we could've just ignored the problem*, but we shouldn't have to sift through line after line of bullshit.

* - As an extreme example, would you advocate turning a blind eye to a neighbor that's beating his wife and kids?  You wouldn't want to impede on his right to do what he enjoys, so a letter in his mailbox asking him to take it down a notch (no bruises!) or to at least be a little more quiet so it's easier for you to ignore them would suffice, right?

Good job, starting off with a personal attack that I'm out of the loop, as if my being gone has anything to do with the truth of my argument. I read the xray thread, and as much as I am against racism, I am also against pogroms and witch hunts. In US history, groups of racists would get together and form up a mob, and lynch people they didnt like. It seems we are willing to get rid of the racism, but we still see value in their means.

I agree, that the limit of liberty is impinging on the liberty of others. This is a discussion forum. Saying weird things in no way impinges on anyone's liberty. Saying wrong things on a forum also in no way impinges on anyones liberty. Anyone else can step up and shoot them down.

Yes, if I saw a neighbor beating his wife and kids, I would do/say something, possibly calling police etc. But no violence is going on here... this is a discussion forum.

As far as the whole political blowout in this thread, several guys are getting mad. No problem with that at all, but I would like to state my position on xray clearly. As prof argued, xray may have been trying to cover for himself for a last few sales, before departing on his own accord. Problem solved, no need to ban, no need for militant mods.

In regals case, I havent been around lately sure, but I ve read enough of regals posts to know that while they are often very roughly written. Hes always been unafraid to express his political thoughts... If hes so far off topic that his posts are consistently annoying, how has he taken away your right to click ignore?

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Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/23/2012, 11:04 PMagree that we do indeed agree to the rules when we join. My issue is that we can still enforce the rules while emphasizing liberty. We can do this with a more relaxed approach to moderating. Far from zero consequence, being relaxed in moderating allows for more open criticism / questioning / attack of members, so it can be even more important to have a strong sense of decorum with how you treat others, since no holds will be barred in how others respond to you.

Honestly, I don't know what your point is. Nobody is suggesting we turn these forums into a nanny state, so there's no need to get all Tea Party on the subject. The whole reason I started this thread, and the whole reason it took on 12 pages, is because forum members - who have been here contributing for years - were tired of people like RegalSin carpet-bombing this place with absolute bullshit for months with zero consequence other than, "Well, if he mentions kid-fucking again maybe I'll ban him."

This isn't a first amendment issue that requires a shallow free speech debate. This is about once in a while taking out somebody who consistently pisses on everyone's good time. The people who were banned had ZERO interest in contributing here. They were here solely to troll, annoy people, and disrupt conversations. That should be "protected"? Horse shit.

My point is, I think your call for more militant mods is in fact a call for a nanny state. You seem to want to have a mod that you can turn to when you feel offended. I say we'd all be better off if we took responsibility for our own feelings and called people out when they offend us.

Regal was carpet bombing you say? Why not ignore or skip if the first line or two dont catch you? Why resort to banning? Regal did indeed seem genuinely interested in the PCE, and xray may have been as well since he seemed to show up here with a turbo-related project... After his (deserved) reception, xray lost interest.

A free speech debate is never shallow for someone with a deep commitment to it as a principle and way of life. I agree this isnt a 1st amendment issue, since were not dealing with government. But I do think it is a free speech debate that gets to the core issue of how we should handle free speech on this forum. I'm for building a community where its near impossible to get banned. I think liberty works better.

It has NOTHING to do with me being "offended". I don't get offended. I don't have time for that bullshit. 19 people were ignoring RegalSin. Some people said they came to the forum less because of him. And I'm sure Aaron (the owner of this site) would've been less than pleased to know that a dude who espoused kiddie porn was hanging out on his site.

I think you're letting your political/societal views confuse the fact that this is a fucking videogame forum! This isn't a bunch of guys wanting to be coddled by babysitters so their precious sensibilities can be protected. It's simply a group of people getting together saying, "This person is a fucking worthless asshole. Let's chuck him out of here." If a group of people were hanging out together, say at a weekly poker party, and one of them kept interjecting with asinine bullshit - including spouting racist bullshit and kiddie porn propaganda - you wouldn't be like, "Let's keep hanging out with Jim. Sure, he's a fucking psycho and annoys the shit out of us, but it's his right to do so." No. You'd say, "Jim, get the fuck out of my house."

For God's sake, man. This isn't about "liberty". As many have said before, being a part of this forum isn't a "right". Nowhere in the constitution does it say, "As an American, you are guaranteed access to the pcengine-fx.com forum community."

Quote from: guest on 10/24/2012, 09:47 AMPlus, we've got casinos now, so that all worked out.

This made me laugh.

Your analogy of a poker party at your house is off, a poker party at a local pizza parlor would be more accurate. But not just any pizza parlor, its the only pizza parlor in the world that has pizzas in the shape of pce. Its also a self serve pizza parlor, the owner is nowhere to be found, the staff is playing pce, yet ingredients for great pizza are always there, and the root beer never runs out.

Lets say your having pizza with your buddies, and a noisy, stinky homeless guy walks in. This guy likes pce shaped pizza and root beer too, but he keeps going on about how people are morons and the world is coming to an end... What to do? If you click <ignore> the noise and stench go away. You can try to take the staff away from playing pce and get them to throw the bum outside, then remain vigilant should he attempt to re enter. Or maybe you can shoot him in the head, since you and your buddies agree hes a terrible annoyance.

What if someone like me walks in.... I love pce shaped pizza and root beer too. But i dont have much sense of smell. The bums stink doesnt really bother me, and i tend to share his bleak outlook, though i dont usually go on and on about it. In the midst of some things i couldnt comprehend, he makes a remark comparing the art in a pce game to surrealism, which makes me motivated to check out the game again... But before he mentions the name of the game, hes grabbed by an angry mob and thrown out.

I do understand that regal made some comments regarding pedophilia that offended many... Keranu says he gave regal a warning and saw improvement... Why was that not enough?

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMI do understand that regal made some comments regarding pedophilia that offended many... Keranu says he gave regal a warning and saw improvement... Why was that not enough?

Did you miss the thread where he revealed that the police had raided his residence which either would've been due to pedo images and/or porn and took his computer/harddrives ?? Though he never explained how he still had Internet or how he was still able to post here (another PC perhaps or bullshit drama story, fuck if I know anymore)... At one point, he was saying his life is over and for us to just delete everything, his account, posts, etc... Then he deleted the original post by editing it out in the thread and eventually, over time, he just tried to pretend like it never happened. I tried to figure out if he was bullshitting or not, but it's hard to make sense of the guy...

Yes, Keranu warned him about it in the past, but he did it again in a round about way, something I pointed out, and Joe saw it and decided to show him the door for a while. It was unexpected, really.

EDIT: I looked for the thread in question, but hmmm, I realize that was the other thread that he had Keranu delete for him, in addition to having edited out the contents of each of his posts prior to doing so. Thus, the evidence was fully deleted in that one. Well, there is only this now:

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12998.0

Quote from: RegalSin on 09/07/2012, 08:54 PMThey took sex, and turned it into a crime. A crime of fear, that is built on hate, and has nothing to do with religion at all.

So yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes they came into my home for girlie images.
They showed me pictures of, probably the most famous AV model that ever graced the planet.

All of this is the fault, because we men have ignored what these crazy kugars, have been doing to our society, for years. They are trying to say, stop chasing virgins. They are stupid, and you will just make them peg-nated, and not even take care of the kid. Back then things, were normal. The only reason why nobody stops them, because everybody believes in god. That is why stuff like this does not happen in the rising sun.

Anyway, talk to Joe if you long for RegalSin's return and for a further explanation, though I suspect in light of all this, some will begin to long for you to resume your absence here in search of "truth" elsewhere... ;) If I didn't know any better, I think the pedofiend is seemingly suggesting that if less people believed in God, pedo stuff (girlie images) would be more acceptable the way that it is in The Land of the Rising Sun and he probably wouldn't have had his residence raided by law enforcement as well given the context of what inspired the creation of the thread... He's blaming older women (referred to as cougars) for his woes who foster negative opinions of pedo stuff, and that we men don't stop them because we believe in God... I'm trying to translate from his moon language here given some context and what's actually written, and I think that is what I'm getting out of that last paragraph. Heh.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMIf you click <ignore> the noise and stench go away.

OK, here's the problem with the "ignore" button when it comes to people like Regal, Xray, and Canada:

Talking about pedophilia and defending Nazis and stereotyping jews and blacks and calling people "fag" isn't just speech, it's violence. A minister where I work recently said something like "the seed of violence lies not in the clenched first, but in the demeaning word and the denigrating insult." Our thoughts become our words and our words become our deeds. Violence doesn't randomly materialize because it's dark outside or a neighborhood is poor; there's a long chain of negativity, lies, stereotypes, blame, propaganda, and justification behind it. Humans aren't really capable of harming each other without first dehumanizing their opponents.

Don't get me wrong, there's a difference between talking about things and physically attacking people. I'm a free speech junkie and I don't think we should stop white-power assholes from having their stupid rallies or talking about whatever they want on their own forums, BUT, silence carries affirmation and when you give racist/sexist/homophobic pieces of shit a platform to spread their lies, people end up getting hurt.

This forum has rules that differentiate it from places like Stormfront. We might as well enforce them. I wouldn't be here if this place tolerated the kind of shit Regal and Xray talk about.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMI do understand that regal made some comments regarding pedophilia that offended many... Keranu says he gave regal a warning and saw improvement... Why was that not enough?

It wasn't a simple matter of one offense followed by a warning. Regal's first pedo post was apparently incredibly offensive and/or downright criminal. It majorly freaked out everyone who saw it, which was probably a half dozen people. The problem was, Regal deleted it almost immediately. A huge discussion exploded and a lot of people were calling for an immediate ban. At this point, I was one of the only members defending Regal, reasoning that he should get one get-out-of-jail-free card since the evidence was gone and the details were vague. Unfortunately, none of the mods noticed the huge thread and nothing was done about it.

Even without a formal warning, the community reaction against Regal should have been enough to stop any rational person from ever even typing the word "children" on this forum again. But it didn't. Regal continued to talk about his legal problems and say vague, creepy things about sex and kids. Eventually, he explicitly stated that it's legal to have sex with a minor if you have their consent. That was enough for me and I PM'ed Keranu and told him to do something. Keranu, totally oblivious to recent events, was still a Regalsin fan from his early days as a benign, off-beat poster. Not finding much pedo evidence in Regal's heavily-edited posts, he let him off with a warning.

Long story short, Regal's creepshow wasn't a one-night-stand; it was an unchecked series of questionably-legal pedophilia discussion. As community outrage grew, Regal thrived on the attention and became more brazen. When he joined, he was a fairly harmless weirdo - amusing to some, slightly annoying to others - that posted a couple of times a week. By the time he was banned, he was derailing threads constantly and pushing the limits of legal discussion on the internet.

Amen, VestCunt.

Ugh...this is fucking exhausting. Rag-Time: let it go. They've been banned. TWO people have been banned. As far as I remember, they're the only people who have been banned in ages. This place is about as "wild west" as you can get for a forum. For the hundredth time: this isn't about somebody's civil liberty. You're really blowing this out of proportion, and I can't believe you're siding with the pedo on this one. It should be simple: advocate kiddie porn = get banned. What's to argue about?

Jesus...

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMGood job, starting off with a personal attack that I'm out of the loop, as if my being gone has anything to do with the truth of my argument.

My point was that you said Nat and Joe were great additions to the ranks of moderators and are doing a great job, but the reality is that Nat isn't here at all and Joe is less active than he once was.  If you weren't out of the loop, you'd know that we're essentially down to one (maybe 1.5) mods.  That's the truth, you stupid shit.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMI read the xray thread, and as much as I am against racism, I am also against pogroms and witch hunts. In US history, groups of racists would get together and form up a mob, and lynch people they didnt like. It seems we are willing to get rid of the racism, but we still see value in their means.

First you say we don't need moderators because members can ferret out the losers and send 'em packing without help, but now you're saying that that shouldn't happen.  Make up your fucking mind.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMI agree, that the limit of liberty is impinging on the liberty of others. This is a discussion forum. Saying weird things in no way impinges on anyone's liberty. Saying wrong things on a forum also in no way impinges on anyones liberty. Anyone else can step up and shoot them down.

It impinges on my right to not have every discussion derailed with ignorant, trolling bullshit.  As you say, this is a discussion forum, so the most important rule to enforce should probably be one that allows for... oh, I don't know... discussion?  And don't bother saying that regal just wanted to join the discussion, because he'd rarely ever react directly to any responses to his thread crapping.

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMYes, if I saw a neighbor beating his wife and kids, I would do/say something, possibly calling police etc. But no violence is going on here... this is a discussion forum.

So you advocate zero rules here and everything goes, including porn and posting roms and isos?  There's never any real violence here - it's all just words, so fuck yeah!  LIBERTY FOR EVERYONE!!!!  

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/29/2012, 03:35 AMIn regals case, I havent been around lately sure, but I ve read enough of regals posts to know that while they are often very roughly written. Hes always been unafraid to express his political thoughts... If hes so far off topic that his posts are consistently annoying, how has he taken away your right to click ignore?

Why should we have to, especially when it did little good when his rantings were inevitably quoted by other members?  You're advocating that I should be forced to modify my behavior to accommodate someone that refused to follow a few simple rules and yet you claim to be a champion of liberty?!?

Sheesh, you're exhausting.  It's like talking to a brick wall.... a brick wall that rides the short bus.

Quote from: guest on 10/29/2012, 11:43 AMIt should be simple: advocate kiddie porn = get banned. What's to argue about?

Except... this is RegalSin we're talking about. He's not a pedo, and the things he says are usually made of bullshit. He's a career troll; it's his mission to get banned from as many forums as possible. His reputation precedes him. He's a master of manipulation; the longer you ignore him, the more extreme he gets. He had to go to real extremes this time; that's why the pedo shit was dragged out. The fact that he had to play his trump card in order to get noticed by authority, however, is evidence that the authority on this forum is asleep at the wheel. But anyway... if you take RegalSin seriously, you're playing into his hands. I was kind of hoping that this forum would be the one to make him crack, but this forum is the one that cracked, so... oh well.

We don't negotiate with terrorists. ;)

Yeah, cause allowing kiddie porn to stick around and hose Aaron legally is totally worth cracking some dipshit on the internet, lol

...I can't understand this discussion is an actual thing. When Regal got the boot, people thanked Joe for a job well done, mission complete and a happy ending. All this other talk is like a sequel no one really wanted :s

rag-time4: Electric Boogaloo

Quote from: guest on 10/29/2012, 02:20 PMYeah, cause allowing kiddie porn to stick around and hose Aaron legally is totally worth cracking some dipshit on the internet, lol

Whatcha smokin', Willis?

Kiddie Porn + Not Removed From Site By Owner/Mods = Owner Gets Screwed

lol

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/31/2012, 10:13 AMKiddie Porn + Not Removed From Site By Owner/Mods = Owner Gets Screwed

Regal didn't post kiddie porn, he just talked about being busted for having it and about how 12 year old girls are 'women'.

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Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/31/2012, 10:13 AMKiddie Porn + Not Removed From Site By Owner/Mods = Owner Gets Screwed

Regal didn't post kiddie porn, he just talked about being busted for having it and about how 12 year old girls are 'women'.

yes, I know, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of his next logical steps would have been to post pictures of "women" doing things, or something along those lines.

I don't even think the guy "playing" regal is that stupid.  That would be when his ISP gets a call and they really do bust down his door.  That would also be the feds since it was posted on the internet.

Quote from: geise on 10/31/2012, 11:14 AMI don't even think the guy "playing" regal is that stupid.  That would be when his ISP gets a call and they really do bust down his door.  That would also be the feds since it was posted on the internet.

Maybe.  Can't take any chances though.  He might go full retard.  Good riddance.

Word!

The chances of him actually posting kiddie porn was pretty much nil. That would have given everything away. If he'd actually done that, we could say that yeah, he's a pedo and no, this place has no room for such a lameass. But in the meantime, all we know is that he's just a troll who got under yer skin if you let him... and the longer it takes to ban him, the more extreme he gets. The pedo bit was about as extreme as it gets, so he'd already played his best hand. Actually posting pics wouldn't be trolling, it's be a sign of someone who's actually destructive, so it'd be over the line.

Either way, who cares... the internet is full of trolls and douchebags who have nothing better to do than to give themselves the most negative possible reputation. I'm much rather build my reputation on the positive... harder, but who cares... do what's right, bitches.

This thread needs moar 3DFX.

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A RegalSin sighting occurred on the MagicEngine forums 2 days ago. ;) Poor fella is missing a NEC hangout, so he's evidently trying to generate activity on a pretty dead one. He dropped 7 informative posts in a day.

http://forums.magicengine.com/en/search.php?search_author=RegalSin

I'd buy that for a dollar! :lol:

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Quote from: NightWolve on 12/21/2012, 01:37 PMA RegalSin citing occurred on the MagicEngine forums two days ago. ;) Poor fella is missing a NEC hangout, so he's evidently trying to generate activity on a pretty dead one. He dropped 7 informative posts in a day.

http://forums.magicengine.com/en/search.php?search_author=RegalSin

Wow, I forgot that I even had an account over there after about a decade. :P Crazy RegalSin, I guess he will never ever grow up.

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 12/28/2012, 02:17 PMCrazy RegalSin, I guess he will never ever grow up.

Unfortunately, this.

Quote from: guest on 09/30/2012, 04:02 PMSeriously, there's a lot of bullshit going on here lately and it would be nice if some of the moderators were a bit more loose with the "Ban Hammer." There are at least a few people who only come here to stir up shit and act like assholes, in some sort of pathetic internet dick-wagging. Give them a temporary ban, or get 'em out for good.

Hell, if nothing else, make me a mod and let me clean house. I've been here for a good decade. Let's get nuts. I'll go Judge Dredd on these douchebags.

dude, they think every new user that signs up here is Nintega or Dave Medina. Of course they are gonna abuse all new members.

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Quote from: guest on 09/30/2012, 04:02 PMSeriously, there's a lot of bullshit going on here lately and it would be nice if some of the moderators were a bit more loose with the "Ban Hammer." There are at least a few people who only come here to stir up shit and act like assholes, in some sort of pathetic internet dick-wagging. Give them a temporary ban, or get 'em out for good.

Hell, if nothing else, make me a mod and let me clean house. I've been here for a good decade. Let's get nuts. I'll go Judge Dredd on these douchebags.

dude, they think every new user that signs up here is Nintega or Dave Medina. Of course they are gonna abuse all new members.

Funny the RARE time someone is guessed to be him (which his cover is usually blown VERY quickly) they are right a VAST majority of the time.

well sorry to piss on yer parade, but you said on many occasions that I am Nintega and you were clearly wrong each time.

Quote from: Psycho Alt-Nintega on 01/23/2013, 10:02 PMwell sorry to piss on yer parade, but you said on many occasions that I am Nintega and you were clearly wrong each time.

That's about as accurate as your "they think everyone is Nintega/all new members are abused" nonsense.

Quote from: Alt-Nintega on 01/23/2013, 10:02 PMwell sorry to piss on yer parade, but you said on many occasions that I am Nintega and you were clearly wrong each time.

Nat already said you were him awhile back... You better run!

(https://web.archive.org/web/20130513083112im_/http://www.missionmission.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers.jpg)

nah, give me some time and you will see that I am just a regular dude that likes to play retro games. I traded all my NES stuff for TG-16 stuff.

Well I will take Nat's word on this one...Nintega/ Frozentears (( shrugs))
See below.....

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=11035.465

"give me time and you'll see"  ....sounds like the same tired rhetoric we've heard before

When I first noticed my ignore count went from 0 to 1, I asked Joe if he could tell me who it was because I was curious about what I had done to earn it, and after looking at my profile as a mod, he could see that it was this new 'turbokid' account. New account with 0 posts that's looking to add to members' ignore counts just for the hell of it sounded like the M.O. of a Nintega, so that's where the suspicion came from. I had just commented on a Nintega thread saying how pathetic he is, so I made the Enemies' List I figured as a result.

So, after idling for some 8 months (Joe said he'd leave the account for fun), he came out of hiding, finally, making a first post (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=8477.msg265258#msg265258) to prop up DickkiBold in the Gouging thread and attack NecroPhile as a whiny bitch and a piece of shit, etc. showing a particular grudge against him that would seem to go back, and he even dropped an outdated 1990's suited forum pic of the Auhnold (the "This thread is TERMINATED!") (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=8477.msg265272#msg265272).

So yeah, I'd say it's a good bet it's yet another lame account of his... I recall Nintega also has the same M.O./rhetoric of criticizing people here for supposedly being too mean to new members, etc. Anyway, boring...

SPOILER: Yep, 'turbokid' was motherfucking Nintega, per usual... ](*,)

Quote from: Alt-Nintega on 01/23/2013, 09:49 PMdude, they think every new user that signs up here is Nintega or Dave Medina. Of course they are gonna abuse all new members.

Emphasis mine. It almost looks as if you were going out of the way to confuse "Nintega" and "Dave Medina" as two people, as if you were out of the loop. But you're not because in your next post you tell of someone who accused you of being Nintega multiple times. So surely you would know they are one and the same by now.

"Turbokid", why bump a thread that's been dead for over a month by quoting something I said five months ago? I don't care WHO you are. You're obviously just trying to start up shit.

Quote from: Alt-Nintega on 01/23/2013, 11:19 PMnah, give me some time and you will see that I am just a regular dude....

Yep, just some regular dude whose 'first' post was to call me a piece of shit....

Grind that axe, Ninnypants!  GRIND IT!!!!

they think he's a righteous DUDE.