Picked up Golden Axe today and well....what a complete shit load of f#!k !!!! Completely busted port! :x
it is really bad. the only redeeming thing is the music. even though it is a lousy port that hasn't stopped me from beating it a few times.
Quote from: guest on 10/05/2013, 09:39 PMPicked up Golden Axe today and well....what a complete shit load of f#!k !!!! Completely busted port! :x
SO very, very true.
I love CrackTiger, but he may come to the defense of Golden Axe...
:pcgs:
hahaha..yeah that one is a turdy. Everyone knows that :lol:
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/06/2013, 02:20 AMhahaha..yeah that one is a turdy. Everyone knows that :lol:
Why are you up so late? GO TO SLEEP.
Granted, it is difficult to get a restful sleep after the Horror that is Golden Axe PCE.
This version of the game is not so good.
Still I find myself playing it every so often... maybe I like bad games :-k :mrgreen:
This sad news. I loved this game in the arcade as a kid and have been wanting to pick it up for a long long time. I'll still pick it up eventually but I'm heartbroken to hear this......
yeah, it's pretty terrible. I still managed to have some fun with it but it's a huge disappointment. Especially how good some other Sega ports are (OutRun and Space Harrier come to mind).
I wonder why the port was so bad considering how good the other Sega Ports were.
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 10/08/2013, 12:40 PMyeah, it's pretty terrible. I still managed to have some fun with it but it's a huge disappointment. Especially how good some other Sega ports are (OutRun and Space Harrier come to mind).
Even more so afterburner II, wonderboy monsterlair, bonanza bros. :)
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 10/08/2013, 05:08 PMI wonder why the port was so bad considering how good the other Sega Ports were.
the developer behind?
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/08/2013, 06:49 PMQuote from: EvilEvoIX on 10/08/2013, 05:08 PMI wonder why the port was so bad considering how good the other Sega Ports were.
the developer behind?
Telenet, that's why :<
Quote from: Liquid Snake on 10/08/2013, 06:52 PMQuote from: Tatsujin on 10/08/2013, 06:49 PMQuote from: EvilEvoIX on 10/08/2013, 05:08 PMI wonder why the port was so bad considering how good the other Sega Ports were.
the developer behind?
Telenet, that's why :<
Specifically, the games they knew sucked they stuck on their "Reno" label.
Quote from: ccovell on 10/08/2013, 07:22 PMSpecifically, the games they knew sucked they stuck on their "Reno" label.
Heh, they also used the Renovation label in the US on Genesis games.
Can't be any worse than the Commodore 64 version.
http://www.lemon64.com/?game_id=1068 (http://www.lemon64.com/?game_id=1068)
Horrid.
lol, what a comparison.
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/08/2013, 11:09 PMCan't be any worse than the Commodore 64 version.
http://www.lemon64.com/?game_id=1068 (http://www.lemon64.com/?game_id=1068)
Horrid.
Wow! The enemies really are turd brown in that version .... as if they're screaming.... yep we know this game is crap! Lol
lol, it's a c64 you guys are talking here, not a PCE. the c64 was known for very good chip musics, and almost nothing else.
posted by TatsujinQuotelol, it's a c64 you guys are talking here, not a PCE. the c64 was known for very good chip musics, and almost nothing else.
That's a pretty unfair generalization to make.
The c64 is not quoted in the guinness book of world records as the best selling single format computer ever because it had the best sound chip of that era. (and still sounds excellent)
The c64 had thousands of games, a vast number of which were extremely playable, if not genre defining. It also had a lot of shovelware and which gaming format doesn't?
The demo scene originated on the c64 and still exists to this day. I suggest you download an emulator, seek them out and prepare to be impressed by what 30 year old hardware can do in the right hands.
Lol, i had a c64 and c128 for half of my life.
I was a bit joking with the sound only, but it realy was and still is THAT good.
I just wanted, and sure in the defense of the c64 only, to point out, that it is quite unfair to compare its golden axe port to to the ones of graphically such more powerful machines.
http://youtu.be/7XP53PUagaI GA-PCE Reboot - Gilius attacks with proper colors!
That is all. :lol:
wow rover :D
make it happen..please :D
It *is* happening. :D Although it will be awhile before we work on it again... other things have priority right now.
I came.
Here is an earlier video.
GA-PCE Reboot - Gilius Thunderhead test sprite (https://youtu.be/0LK0mJ_Dvi0#)
...and another one...
GA-PCE Reboot - Tyris Flare frame test (https://youtu.be/JNTbBaIBkyI#)
Quote from: OldRover on 10/20/2013, 11:52 AMGA-PCE Reboot - Gilius attacks with proper colors! (https://youtu.be/7XP53PUagaI#)
That is all. :lol:
SWEET JESUS that video is the best tease, ever.
:pcgs:
Paranoia Dragon did "The Organic Remix" music, using a combination of the PCE version tracks mixed with the PS2 versions and some of his own work. "The Arcade Original" soundtrack is taken from the Sega CD redbook audio, which was recorded directly from the arcade hardware. I originally ripped the tiles from the arcade tile ROM, but Black Tiger wanted in as well, and made the stages look 100 times better than they already were. Charles MacDonald ripped the sprite ROM, so all the sprites we have are pixel-for-pixel arcade-perfect. I did the sprite recoloring, using the arcade palette and aligning to PCE spec, and of course, the code. I also ripped the ADPCM samples from the arcade ROMs, although that was not much work at all. It was quite a team effort even to get this far. We'll resume work on it someday. :) Oh... and it's an arcade card game.
In the process of doing this, Charles and I discovered some unused graphics and determined that the game design was changed from its original plan, probably at the last minute. The large door in the background of the stage 2 boss region is supposed to open, presumably to let out the boss character. Instead, those graphics are never used, and we got the version that we got.
it must become alive..ALIVE..IT MUST :D
then we can show WOHS THE MUETAHEFUCLER WITH EBST GOLDNE AXE PORT, YEAH!!!
I don't care if it takes years. I will play this MOST VALIANT, MOST GLORIOUS PCE PORT of Golden Axe before I die. True story.
Golden Axe is a great example of how sub-palette flexibility is more important than an overkill master palette.
System 16 12-bit color:(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510022536im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/birdmuarc1.png)
PC Engine 9-bit color:(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510022538im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/fstagebsky1n.png)
QuoteI don't care if it takes years.
Good. :P
We've also decided to leave certain things intact, such as the dripping blood on the character select screen, the decapitation scene in the attract mode, etc. The scoring should be balls-on accurate too.
A new, close-to-arcade port of Golden Axe for PCE!?
WHAT IS THIS MAGIC!? :shock:
Quote from: guest on 10/20/2013, 02:50 PMGolden Axe is a great example of how sub-palette flexibility is more important than an overkill master palette.
System 16 12-bit color:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510022536im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/birdmuarc1.png)
PC Engine 9-bit color:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510022538im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/fstagebsky1n.png)
QuoteI don't care if it takes years.
Good. :P
SWEET JESUS ON A BISCUIT! (https://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgb.gif) (https://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgb.gif) (https://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgb.gif)
Quote from: Arjak on 10/20/2013, 06:00 PMA new, close-to-arcade port of Golden Axe for PCE!?
WHAT IS THIS MAGIC!? :shock:
Yes, close to, but not quite. :) Black Tiger's pixel wizardry makes it look better than the arcade version, and Paranoia Dragon's audio genius makes it sound better than the arcade version. It runs at a lower resolution though; I'm using 256 pixels instead of the arcade's 320. It won't look that much different on a regular TV though, since things will simply be slightly stretched horizontally.
...and you see that big, wonderfully-colorful eagle? Unlike all other home ports, this one has a moving eye... as does the turtle's head you pass over in a previous stage. Also, there is no screen transition for the final battle, and the "snakes crawling up the floor" part is intact. Lastly, Tyris Flare's highest level spell is not butchered in this version; it uses the same sprites found in the arcade game.
A couple of things are different gameplay-wise. For one, I'm going to do something with the unused door in stage 2. Haven't decided what just yet, but it'll be something different. Also, there's a bonus for anyone who can do really well at the game. :) Finally, the arcade version has an *exceedingly obnoxious* tackle glitch... it won't be present here.
I definitely agree that CrackTiger's version looks better. It just looks so much more vibrant. The colors of the arcade version feel unnaturally subdued in comparison. I cannot wait to see more!
In fact, I think I need to play some Golden Axe right now! This development has put me in the mood. Time to start up MAME! :dance:
Quote from: Arjak on 10/20/2013, 08:11 PMI definitely agree that Black Tiger's version looks better. It just looks so much more vibrant. The colors of the arcade version feel unnaturally subdued in comparison. I cannot wait to see more!
In fact, I think I need to play some Golden Axe right now! This development has put me in the mood. Time to start up MAME! :dance:
Exactly. I actually played (beat) Golden Axe on Genesis because this thread was so ridiculously awesome.
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This is just a mockup so the colors are not completely correct, but it will look a lot like this when completed.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510040702im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/gatown1.gif)
I really, really, REALLY hope this will becoming true [-o<
Holy crap that looks arcade perfect
Quote from: guest on 10/20/2013, 09:28 PM(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510040702im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/gatown1.gif)
Simply outrageously gorgeous. (https://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcds.png)
Holy moly, this looks awesome.
I will second, third, sixty-fourth, or whatever it takes to get you guys on track with this!
WOW!
Just out of curiosity, is there a donate option for the project at all? I'd love to be able to contribute to something as worthwhile as this.
Damn, cat's outta the bag I guess! :D A few of the PCE tunes I had to unfortunately redo from scratch, do to them having the wrong notes in a few places. Also, there was a missing song or 2 not found in the PCE version that I recreated as well.
I actually enjoyed this game a lot. Mainly for the cut scenes despite not being able to understand them. I'd always die on the last stage , I tried many times to beat this game and failed. I probably just suck and should stick to RPGs and Racing games.
Will the redone version on the PCE fix some of the gameplay ? The Genesis version just felt better on the hands. Also can you add subtitles to the movie scenes or is that too much to ask?
Look at those backgrounds... I would put them as my PC wallpapers if not for the aspect ratio.
Amazing!
I am in complete awe. Amazing!
Quote from: Xak on 10/21/2013, 11:56 AMWill the redone version on the PCE fix some of the gameplay ? The Genesis version just felt better on the hands. Also can you add subtitles to the movie scenes or is that too much to ask?
The only thing being reused from the commercial PCE version is the music, and only as a basis for newer tracks. Everything else material-wise is taken directly from the arcade game, so the cutscenes are not included. The gameplay in our remake is not glitched like the arcade version, but it's also not a cakewalk like the Genesis version.
Glad to hear the gameplay is getting a facelift. The new graphics look amazing, but the clunky controls on the PCE version have always been a bigger deterrent than the aesthetics.
If you're redoing everything, is there any chance of two-player?
Or a exclusive three player mode? :)
Yes, the game is two-player co-op.
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/21/2013, 10:28 PMOr a exclusive three player mode? :)
Or make it shit golden eggs out of the cd tray? :)
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/20/2013, 06:46 PMIt runs at a lower resolution though; I'm using 256 pixels instead of the arcade's 320. It won't look that much different on a regular TV though, since things will simply be slightly stretched horizontally.
Would you mind sharing the rationale as to why you chose not to use the PCE's 320 mode?
Quote from: guest on 10/21/2013, 11:45 PMWould you mind sharing the rationale as to why you chose not to use the PCE's 320 mode?
Style issues, mainly. Doing the title screen in 320 pixels would have made it pretty much impossible to do it nicely, since we have such limited amount of sprite pixels and only one background layer to work with... that alone is a VRAM nightmare even at 256 pixels. Also, the HUD looks nicer in 256 pixels, since the life bars stretch a bit... looks more like the arcade that way. Little details like that add up.
So it's using full SCD support. How would it turn out made as a ACD game?
Pure hypothetically :)
This is so awesome! Golden Axe has always been one of my favorite beat 'em ups... I hope you people manage to finish this. :)
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/21/2013, 10:28 PMOr a exclusive three player mode? :)
You know, there isn't one single beat 'em up for any console before the PS2 (and it is the PS2; the DC doesn't have any) which has a three or more player mode in its main game. Guardian Heroes (Saturn) has a six player battle mode, and The Peace Keepers (SNES) a four player battle mode, but neither game supports more than two in the main game, and no others do either.
I'm sure it'd be difficult, particularly on a 4th gen console, but someday someone should correct this problem.
We'll add the thief as the 3rd player as a compromise! :D
In regards to the cinemas, those would take a lot of work. Besides voice acting, we'd need to translate it, rip the gfx, probably need to recolor them, & add more frames of animation. But what I think would be the greatest hurdle, is the fact that the original PCE Golden Axe relies on it being only 1 player. In it, whichever character you choose, has specific cinemas for that character at the beginning & end. With this being 2 player, we'd have to somehow re-write the cinemas & combine them so that they match up for multi-players.
The recoloring is absolutely beautiful, Brawlers along with platform shooters is a genres that the pce is in need of, if this ever comes to fruition, I wouldn't hesitate one sec to purchase it.
Is there any chance of buying pressed copies of the game when it's done or it won't be possible due to copyright issues?
(I also wonder how the hell did that swiss(?) guy pressed a ton of sapphire discs without trouble)
Quote from: guest on 10/22/2013, 04:06 AMIs there any chance of buying pressed copies of the game when it's done or it won't be possible due to copyright issues?
(I also wonder how the hell did that swiss(?) guy pressed a ton of sapphire discs without trouble)
That swiss(?) guy is in fact a german guy, but which used swiss technology to produce his booties :idea:
He used equipment from a swiss company called care4data.
Quote from: guest on 10/22/2013, 04:06 AMIs there any chance of buying pressed copies of the game when it's done or it won't be possible due to copyright issues?
(I also wonder how the hell did that swiss(?) guy pressed a ton of sapphire discs without trouble)
It'd probably have to be done by a Chinese replicator, since the Chinese have absolutely no respect for copyrights. I could, however, also look into a license to replicate the game.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/22/2013, 08:25 AMQuote from: Psycho Punch on 10/22/2013, 04:06 AMIs there any chance of buying pressed copies of the game when it's done or it won't be possible due to copyright issues?
(I also wonder how the hell did that swiss(?) guy pressed a ton of sapphire discs without trouble)
It'd probably have to be done by a Chinese replicator, since the Chinese have absolutely no respect for copyrights. I could, however, also look into a license to replicate the game.
I smell a fundraiser...
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/22/2013, 12:45 AMQuote from: guest on 10/21/2013, 11:45 PMWould you mind sharing the rationale as to why you chose not to use the PCE's 320 mode?
Style issues, mainly. Doing the title screen in 320 pixels would have made it pretty much impossible to do it nicely, since we have such limited amount of sprite pixels and only one background layer to work with... that alone is a VRAM nightmare even at 256 pixels. Also, the HUD looks nicer in 256 pixels, since the life bars stretch a bit... looks more like the arcade that way. Little details like that add up.
If I may be so bold... I wouldn't mind a lack of background effects to get the full 320 width. But since you are likely to stick to 256, since most of us will likely play this on real hardware, would you consider thinning some of the sprites just a little so that when they stretch to fill a 4x3 TV screen they don't become overly plump looking? A fat dwarf just won't have the same impact.
Quote from: guest on 10/22/2013, 11:32 AMQuote from: OldRover on 10/22/2013, 12:45 AMQuote from: guest on 10/21/2013, 11:45 PMWould you mind sharing the rationale as to why you chose not to use the PCE's 320 mode?
Style issues, mainly. Doing the title screen in 320 pixels would have made it pretty much impossible to do it nicely, since we have such limited amount of sprite pixels and only one background layer to work with... that alone is a VRAM nightmare even at 256 pixels. Also, the HUD looks nicer in 256 pixels, since the life bars stretch a bit... looks more like the arcade that way. Little details like that add up.
A fat dwarf just won't have the same impact.
But its a fat dwarf with a big golden axe!
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/22/2013, 01:31 AMWe'll add the thief as the 3rd player as a compromise! :D
Why the thief? :)
QuoteIn regards to the cinemas, those would take a lot of work. Besides voice acting, we'd need to translate it, rip the gfx, probably need to recolor them, & add more frames of animation. But what I think would be the greatest hurdle, is the fact that the original PCE Golden Axe relies on it being only 1 player. In it, whichever character you choose, has specific cinemas for that character at the beginning & end. With this being 2 player, we'd have to somehow re-write the cinemas & combine them so that they match up for multi-players.
That does sound like it'd be a huge amount of work, yeah. I don't think anyone would expect all that... it would be very cool if done, but doing all that would surely take a lot of time...
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/22/2013, 08:25 AMIt'd probably have to be done by a Chinese replicator, since the Chinese have absolutely no respect for copyrights. I could, however, also look into a license to replicate the game.
Licensing will be a can of worms if you're taking music from different sources. Anyway, best not even talk about copyright stuff on the forums or people will freak out and this project will go the way of the Marble Madness prototype and Virtualboy Faceball.
This project looks so freaking awesome!!!!!
I wonder why the programmer/creator in the old days couldn't use these kind of method/techniques more often to port over games from the arcade?
On the PCE I know that they did it for games like Monsterlair, bikkuriman World and partially in games like chicky chicky boys, forgotten worlds, rainbow island etc. but most of the ports were redrawn from very srcatch, and in few cases even very accurate (like R-Type, mr. heli).
sure there were licensing issues, and in case of using hucard, also storage limitations.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/22/2013, 11:15 PMI wonder why the programmer/creator in the old days couldn't use these kind of method/techniques more often to port over games from the arcade?
Because back then, they didn't have geniuses like Charles MacDonald, Black Tiger, or Paranoia Dragon on their teams. :D
Quote from: OldRover on 10/22/2013, 11:20 PMQuote from: Tatsujin on 10/22/2013, 11:15 PMI wonder why the programmer/creator in the old days couldn't use these kind of method/techniques more often to port over games from the arcade?
Because back then, they didn't have geniuses like Charles MacDonald, Black Tiger, or Paranoia Dragon on their teams. :D
you think this was the only reason? yet they were able of creating some of the finest 2D games of all time on their very own?
It's not that they were't able to do it, since they already did it as mention above. but many of 'em choosed the rocky road of re-drawing everything rather than porting it over on the ease.
I'm not sure about console ports but for the home computer ones the company who had a digital video capture device for sprite ripping was king... they received very little support from the original game creators.
Well, in terms of home ports and such, it might have been just space limitations. In this game in particular, there are a *lot* of tiles. I imagine they just did new tiles that were "close enough" in order to not have to deal with that.
Most of the sprites in the Genesis conversion are taken from the arcade version, but some are missing and many are recolored... some are just simple recolors (like Gillius) and some are literally repixeled but use the same base sprites (like Bad Bros). One particularly obnoxious omission from the Genesis version is the total lack of enemy "moving up" frames... also, the player characters have two frames missing from their walking animations. Some of the enemies that can run are missing their run frames... the Bad Bros base set and the Death Adder base set in particular. Bad Bros and Knight are also missing entire attack sequences, and there's also the aforementioned lack of proper movement.
Quote from: OldRover on 10/22/2013, 11:20 PMQuote from: Tatsujin on 10/22/2013, 11:15 PMI wonder why the programmer/creator in the old days couldn't use these kind of method/techniques more often to port over games from the arcade?
Because back then, they didn't have geniuses like Charles MacDonald, Black Tiger, or Paranoia Dragon on their teams. :D
Awwwww shucks, tweren't nuthin'! :D
Damn, I didn't even think about license and copyright issues when I opened my big mouth about buying this game, most people would say there is only only one high quality brawler for the pcengine and that's Double Dragon 2, this would make two, I just played the Genesis port like three days before I saw this thread....pressed CD, nice looking back insert and manual, and of course a spine card:) I use to pay between $70 and $100 for pce imports back in the early 90s, I would pay a similar price for this, I really want this in my collection and yeah, Black Tiger did an amazing job on the colors, wow.
I want to throw my entire wallet at this!!!
sidenote, in terms of a professional run of these:
I think if the disk gets pressed professionally, then we can all just swap the disk in our Golden Axes.
Quote from: pixeljunkie on 10/23/2013, 02:29 PMsidenote, in terms of a professional run of these:
I think if the disk gets pressed professionally, then we can all just swap the disk in our Golden Axes.
Good idea!
i'd be for a double case.
the very goodie and the uber baddy :P
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/23/2013, 03:43 PMi'd be for a double case.
the very goodie and the uber baddy :P
I also love this idea.
SO PRETTY!!! the redux version of course.
this is very exciting news! can't wait to see the progress unfold on this project. =D>
i guess the most difficult part will be implementing/realizing the whole game flow/game play etc., so that it really does replicate the arcade the most faithful way possible. or is there some very simple trickery of adopting/immigrating the original arcade game code to the pce? :)
Quote from: A Black Falcon on 10/22/2013, 05:43 PMQuote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/22/2013, 01:31 AMWe'll add the thief as the 3rd player as a compromise! :D
Why the thief? :)
QuoteIn regards to the cinemas, those would take a lot of work. Besides voice acting, we'd need to translate it, rip the gfx, probably need to recolor them, & add more frames of animation. But what I think would be the greatest hurdle, is the fact that the original PCE Golden Axe relies on it being only 1 player. In it, whichever character you choose, has specific cinemas for that character at the beginning & end. With this being 2 player, we'd have to somehow re-write the cinemas & combine them so that they match up for multi-players.
That does sound like it'd be a huge amount of work, yeah. I don't think anyone would expect all that... it would be very cool if done, but doing all that would surely take a lot of time...
I figure having the thief as a 3rd player, is the most likely way of having 3 players do to his size. He'd still be 1 sprite extra onscreen, same as Ax Battler & Tyris(I think Gilius will take up 2 sprites for him & the axe). I'm sure it still wouldn't work, or if it did, there'd be flicker/slowdown, so maybe as a cheat.
As for licensing, yeah, that could be a real problem. I know when Xseed was brining Ys 1-3 for PSP over, they were trying to include the PCE versions of the music(& possibly others) but there were quite a few hurdles. You have Hudson whose now owned by Konami, you got Ryo Yonemistu who did the redbook, the musicians for the chiptunes, Falcom & JDK(not sure if they're 1 or 2 legal entities), & the original composers(such as Yuzo Koshiro). All or most of these entities being involved made it impossible, or atleast, stupidly expensive.
For Golden Axe, you got Sega, musicians for the arcade Golden Axe, Renovations musicians, & Telenet whose properties are MOSTLY owned by Sunsoft(but not all). So, for all I know, the music of this version could have ties to Wolfteam, & I believe they're part of Bandai/Namco. Most or all of them could be involved. :/
yeah, fuck the whole licensing and bring it out as hombru with a neat case and artwork (preferred on pressed cd) which can be puchased as kind of a donation fee within the community only.
Beside, that tobias twat is selling booties for many years now all over the world without anything happening to him, simply because nobody gives a fuck about what a minority on an 25 year old, long abandoned system is doing these days.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/24/2013, 01:52 AMyeah, fuck the whole licensing and bring it out as hombru with a neat case and artwork (preferred on pressed cd) which can be puchased as kind of a donation fee within the community only.
Beside, that tobias twat is selling booties for many years now all over the world without anything happening to him, simply because nobody gives a fuck about what a minority on an 25 year old, long abandoned system is doing these days.
Sapphire isn't an immensely popular property like Sega's Golden Axe or Capcom's Megaman. Sega/Capcom are much more likely to do something.
Quote from: esteban on 10/24/2013, 05:18 AMQuote from: Tatsujin on 10/24/2013, 01:52 AMyeah, fuck the whole licensing and bring it out as hombru with a neat case and artwork (preferred on pressed cd) which can be puchased as kind of a donation fee within the community only.
Beside, that tobias twat is selling booties for many years now all over the world without anything happening to him, simply because nobody gives a fuck about what a minority on an 25 year old, long abandoned system is doing these days.
Sapphire isn't an immensely popular property like Sega's Golden Axe or Capcom's Megaman. Sega/Capcom are much more likely to do something.
the same guy did also megaman (capcom) for PCE -> no claim so far :idea:
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/24/2013, 06:04 AMthe same guy did also megaman (capcom) for PCE -> no claim so far :idea:
No claim that we know of.
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 10/24/2013, 07:58 AMQuote from: Tatsujin on 10/24/2013, 06:04 AMthe same guy did also megaman (capcom) for PCE -> no claim so far :idea:
No claim that we know of.
And still selling it.
I like the double CD option. Perhaps an artwork insert with credits for the main booklet. Hell, Sparky can do stickers!
(https://web.archive.org/web/20091016083359im_/http://www.packagingshop.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/265x/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/X/C/XCDDS.jpg)
Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/23/2013, 09:10 PMi guess the most difficult part will be implementing/realizing the whole game flow/game play etc., so that it really does replicate the arcade the most faithful way possible.
That's the easy part. The hard part is writing the game engine in general. (The scrolling, tiling, enemies, and all of that shit).
Quoteor is there some very simple trickery of adopting/immigrating the original arcade game code to the pce? :)
No. If it were simple, it would be done already.
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/08/2013, 11:09 PMCan't be any worse than the Commodore 64 version.
http://www.lemon64.com/?game_id=1068 (http://www.lemon64.com/?game_id=1068)
Horrid.
the poor C64 was far more capable than whoever ported the game to it =\
Quote from: guest on 10/24/2013, 04:18 PMQuote from: Tatsujin on 10/23/2013, 09:10 PMi guess the most difficult part will be implementing/realizing the whole game flow/game play etc., so that it really does replicate the arcade the most faithful way possible.
That's the easy part. The hard part is writing the game engine in general. (The scrolling, tiling, enemies, and all of that shit).
basically what I ment (sry), since the engine is primarily responsible for all the later game flow/flawness as well replication of the game play eyc.
Quote from: guest on 10/24/2013, 04:18 PMQuoteor is there some very simple trickery of adopting/immigrating the original arcade game code to the pce? :)
No. If it were simple, it would be done already.
that's sad :(
I'm not sure how well a 68000-to-65C02 conversion would go. :lol:
Quote from: OldRover on 10/24/2013, 08:35 PMI'm not sure how well a 68000-to-65C02 conversion would go. :lol:
converting man, converting :lol:
these days, everything can be converted in anyting :lol:
Someone convert air to cash for me then... :lol:
Quote from: OldRover on 10/24/2013, 09:04 PMSomeone convert air to cash for me then... :lol:
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Quote from: Kusanagi on 10/24/2013, 05:16 PMthe poor C64 was far more capable than whoever ported the game to it =\
Not really.
and, the C64 version didn't turn out too bad all in all.
Quote from: guest on 10/24/2013, 09:30 PMQuote from: Kusanagi on 10/24/2013, 05:16 PMthe poor C64 was far more capable than whoever ported the game to it =\
Not really.
and, the C64 version didn't turn out too bad all in all.
I was going to say - judging by the videos on YouTube it looks kind of impressive for the time.
Edit - also it still blows my mind that there's a Wonderswan version, haha.
Quote from: OldRover on 10/24/2013, 09:04 PMSomeone convert air to cash for me then... :lol:
Put a donation page and I guarantee your wish will come true. Well close enough at least.
Quote from: jeffhlewis on 10/24/2013, 10:50 PMEdit - also it still blows my mind that there's a Wonderswan version, haha.
I have that and it's a wonderful port :)
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/24/2013, 11:36 PMPut a donation page and I guarantee your wish will come true. Well close enough at least.
Such a thing feels wrong to me for some reason... I'm not quite sure why.
I don't know much about programming. It's too bad you can't just take the original pc engine game and update the character sprites and backgrounds.
I never realized how bad the PC Engine CD port was untill seeing the pics , I remember how bad it was letterboxed. I forgave it due to the cool looking cut scenes, then the gameplay was unaccpetable
Quote from: Keith Courage on 10/25/2013, 02:54 AMI don't know much about programming. It's too bad you can't just take the original pc engine game and update the character sprites and backgrounds.
Would be a waste of time to try, really. The gameplay is broken, and the sound is broken too. There is nothing salvageable in the original PCE game... the whole thing needs to be tossed and started anew, so that's what I did. :)
Quote from: OldRover on 10/25/2013, 09:44 AMso that's what I did. :)
I thought, that's what your doing? :D
or can I buy it already?
I tossed it and started anew... that's what I did. :)
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This looks amazing! Telenet did such a horrible job on the original PCE port so it's cool seeing what could've been done. Of course the original was a pre-Super System Card CD port and not an Arcade Card port but still it's terrible. This is an example of something that I always wonder about: How much better could lackluster ports have been with better programmers? For instance, Final Fight on the SNES or Strider PCE. Could a 16meg port of Final Fight made later in the SNES' life have been 2 player, included Guy, and had all the missing stuff put in? Could Strider PCE have been made to look better and play smoother had it been handled by different developers? Just from what has been shown in these preview videos it shows that the PCE could've had a much, much, much better port of Golden Axe. Can't wait to see how this progresses. Great job so far!!
I am impressed with this homebrew remake
Wow, very impressive results there. I was always pissed that SEGA never made a proper MEGA-CD version of GA ( and sooooo many others!) so this looks like a nice alternative, even with the Wii/360 versions I have.
It's a damn shame that NEC Home decided not to make the arcade card/SFII' combo in '93. By the time the arcade card arrived, it was far too late and apart from Hudson's very impressive NEO-GEO conversions, it was wasted. Other AC only games such as Mad Stalker and of course, the giant turd that is Strider Hiryu, wasted their potential.
Strider could most certainly have been a hell of a lot better if NEV had not given it to the crappy, inexperienced team that made it. Just as an 8-mbit Daimakaimura on the MD could have matched the SGX version. Whether ACD version of SH could live up to the MD version, I am not sure. It could have been close though.
As for a 16-mbit Final Fight on the SFC being better than the original, I doubt it would have made much of a difference. The SFC would NEVER be able to touch the MEGA-CD version anyway. That shitty, ancient Famicom processor they stuck in the SFC could never compare to the CPS-I or MEGA-CD. Every beat em up/fighter on the SFC ran at a greatly reduced resolution with only 2 or 3 enemies on screen at a time because that's all it could handle. All the colour in the world could not make up for that processor and it never had a hope in hell of an arcade quality game like Bare Knuckle II. Maybe if the CD system had been released but the arrogant morons decided against that because CD was not the future. That worked out so well for the N64, lol!
Quote from: SegaSonic91 on 02/03/2014, 05:27 AMStrider could most certainly have been a hell of a lot better if NEV had not given it to the crappy, inexperienced team that made it. Just as an 8-mbit Daimakaimura on the MD could have matched the SGX version. Whether ACD version of SH could live up to the MD version, I am not sure. It could have been close though.
As for a 16-mbit Final Fight on the SFC being better than the original, I doubt it would have made much of a difference. The SFC would NEVER be able to touch the MEGA-CD version anyway. That shitty, ancient Famicom processor they stuck in the SFC could never compare to the CPS-I or MEGA-CD. Every beat em up/fighter on the SFC ran at a greatly reduced resolution with only 2 or 3 enemies on screen at a time because that's all it could handle. All the colour in the world could not make up for that processor and it never had a hope in hell of an arcade quality game like Bare Knuckle II. Maybe if the CD system had been released but the arrogant morons decided against that because CD was not the future. That worked out so well for the N64, lol!
Um, while some of us here would agree with a few things you say, your arguments are scattershot.
Quote from: SegaSonic91 on 02/03/2014, 05:27 AMWow, very impressive results there. I was always pissed that SEGA never made a proper MEGA-CD version of GA ( and sooooo many others!) so this looks like a nice alternative, even with the Wii/360 versions I have.
It's a damn shame that NEC Home decided not to make the arcade card/SFII' combo in '93. By the time the arcade card arrived, it was far too late and apart from Hudson's very impressive NEO-GEO conversions, it was wasted. Other AC only games such as Mad Stalker and of course, the giant turd that is Strider Hiryu, wasted their potential.
Strider could most certainly have been a hell of a lot better if NEV had not given it to the crappy, inexperienced team that made it. Just as an 8-mbit Daimakaimura on the MD could have matched the SGX version. Whether ACD version of SH could live up to the MD version, I am not sure. It could have been close though.
As for a 16-mbit Final Fight on the SFC being better than the original, I doubt it would have made much of a difference. The SFC would NEVER be able to touch the MEGA-CD version anyway. That shitty, ancient Famicom processor they stuck in the SFC could never compare to the CPS-I or MEGA-CD. Every beat em up/fighter on the SFC ran at a greatly reduced resolution with only 2 or 3 enemies on screen at a time because that's all it could handle. All the colour in the world could not make up for that processor and it never had a hope in hell of an arcade quality game like Bare Knuckle II. Maybe if the CD system had been released but the arrogant morons decided against that because CD was not the future. That worked out so well for the N64, lol!
How many enemies do you need at once in a <2 player game?
If you really need more than 3 on-screen, here you go:
SNES Longplay [150] Ghost Chaser Densei - Denjin Makai (https://youtu.be/aNC6iiRGnk0#)
SNES Longplay [185] Ninja Warriors Again (https://youtu.be/6uEL94eibKE#)
At least many SNES beat em ups have huge sprites and unlike Final Fight CD, decent color.
more enemies at once does not necessarily mean better game.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 01/23/2014, 08:31 PMThis is an example of something that I always wonder about: How much better could lackluster ports have been with better programmers?
Better programmers are just one of the many details. It normally takes several people to make a successful game. Each person focuses on their specialty, which has the potential to raise the overall quality of the product. You also have to have someone who can manage this team of specialists. Whoever was working on the Telenet version of Golden Axe clearly didn't have a lot of skill. The in-game graphics and sound effects are deplorable, and the cutscenes, while interesting, are very basic. The gameplay is downright broken and that comes from horrible coding. So you've got at least three areas where their production was a total failure, and one where it just barely makes the grade. Paranoia Dragon's sound and music expertise will ensure that our version sounds great, Black Tiger's pixel wizardry will make sure it looks great, and my coding experience will make sure it plays great. We don't have a deadline for this, so we are not forced to work under pressure, plus we don't have to cram everything into 128KB (I'm sure the Telenet version used the ADPCM RAM for things other than ADPCM data, considering I never heard a decent sample in the whole game). We could technically do this on the normal System 3.0, but utilizing the ACD means that not only can everything be preloaded, but we can also display more complex tilemaps, load more samples, and greatly reduce (maybe even eliminate) load times, making it feel so much more like the arcade game (only without the obnoxious bugs the arcade game has in it).
What is BT working on graphic wise? Is the game mostly sprite/ background rips? I take it a lot of rework?
The background in the PCE version is converted, the sprites are not.
Arcade<---------> PCE
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510052525im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/charselarc.png) (https://web.archive.org/web/20190510052525im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/charselpce1.png)
MD:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510052524im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/charselmd.png)
BT is doing the background graphics. They are taken from the arcade game, but he spruced them up and did PCE-friendly recoloring to make them bright and vibrant. The sprites didn't need any modifications; they're direct copies from the arcade ROMs, although the colors have been aligned to PCE specs.
Wow, I just realized how horrid the MD version looks compared to ours. :lol:
I ordered some white two CD cases so that I could have original disc and one translation/hack in the same case. I'm throwing Golden Axe in one in anticipation.
Man that looks spectacular! What is your estimated release date?
"When we finish it." :lol:
That's looking really good! I remember the quick demo you showed me Rove. It really is exciting to see the concept and how it "can" be done. BT I really like the touch to the background at the character select screen. Some details stand out a lot better.
Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/03/2014, 12:37 PMMD:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510052524im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/charselmd.png)
http://youtu.be/6nSKkwzwdW4
That looks amazing! Give me, give me now. :)
Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/03/2014, 12:37 PMThe background in the PCE version is converted, the sprites are not.
Arcade<---------> PCE
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510052525im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/charselarc.png) (https://web.archive.org/web/20190510052525im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/charselpce1.png)
MD:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510052524im_/http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/charselmd.png)
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One detail I should point out that most people tend to miss about the character select screen is that the player sprites on the arcade original scale in and out. That is missing from the MD conversion. I fake it for the PCE remake, so it looks like it did in the arcade original.
Quote from: OldRover on 02/07/2014, 05:52 PMOne detail I should point out that most people tend to miss about the character select screen is that the player sprites on the arcade original scale in and out. That is missing from the MD conversion. I fake it for the PCE remake, so it looks like it did in the arcade original.
Any chance you want to show it off, perhaps via youtube? :D
Not without a working title screen... still working on that part. :) Soon... patience, grasshopper. :)
When you are ready rover, just send me a copy and I'll play the hell out of it and post everything on YouTube :mrgreen:
An amazing effort. All we need now is a time machine.
Quote from: OldRover on 02/07/2014, 05:52 PMOne detail I should point out that most people tend to miss about the character select screen is that the player sprites on the arcade original scale in and out.
I didn't miss that! Also, Gilius' thunder magic scales as well; don't forget to put that in! ;-D
Quote from: ccovell on 02/09/2014, 06:10 PMI didn't miss that! Also, Gilius' thunder magic scales as well; don't forget to put that in! ;-D
It does? Even I must have missed that one... I know the earth magic does, but I didn't notice the lightning magic doing it too.
Whoops, I meant Ax=Battler's then. Tyris' scales a bit too at each level except for max.
Yeah, I just checked out Tyris Flare's magic and it does appear to scale on most levels. Level 4 was hard to tell for sure, but I'll check the sprite collection and compare them against some screenshots and see what's up. Level 2 appears to scale vertically, but those may be sprited to do that already... not 100% sure. The rest (except 6 of course) all have scaling. Ax Battler's level 4 magic scales both the mushroom cloud and the rocks that fly out of it.
I'm so excited!!
I put my Golden Axe inserts and CD into a two CD jewel case in anticipation :D
Wow very impressive work! Good luck to you guys in finishing the project. Golden Axe is one of my favorite games and the pc engine version just makes me...sad.
True story: The reason I even own Golden Axe is because I was up too late on the computer and bit on a last minute auction at like 3am. I barely remember it, and a few weeks later I got a package with Golden Axe in it and I was all "WTF? Why did I order this?"
I bought it with some foolish notion that maybe, just maybe, all those internet reviews couldn't be right...could they? I mean, it's the PC Engine...what could be so bad?
*cradles face in palms*
Oh how wrong I was... :(
I cannot wait for this!!!
The only reason I got this game is the game store had it for $20 bucks and I just wanted to make codes for it. Games are games but I have definitely seem worse ports than this
any updates?
but don't neglate the best goldenaxe there ever will be for consoles!!!
:shock:
Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/16/2014, 05:38 AMbut don't neglate the best goldenaxe there ever will be for consoles!!!
Yep. My body is ready for the Arcade Card obey.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/16/2014, 05:38 AMbut don't neglate the best goldenaxe there ever will be for consoles!!!
We aren't. :) It will get finished, don't you worry. :)
Maybe I missed it but what is the planned distribution for this? Just a torrent or a download or, what?
Don't know yet. This is still a hot property and Sega isn't likely to just sit around and let it go. I doubt we will be able to actually physically press it, unless we somehow convince them to give consent... for a significant royalty, I'm sure. It will just be a download otherwise... a torrent is probably the best way to fly.
Once done, would you take a gift for your efforts at least?
Not everyone will obviously but I like encouraging creativity 8)
Knowing that my favorite console got the greatest retro console home port of one of the most influential arcade classics in history, and that I was a small part of making it happen, is the only reward I want. :)
I have fond memories of my cousins and I dropping down quarters on Golden Axe in the grocery store. I lived in a small town and there weren't any actual arcades. It was all grocery stores and gas stations for my arcade fix.
Hot diggity damn, how did I miss this...
Awesome work =D>
Quote from: OldRover on 05/16/2014, 10:26 PMKnowing that my favorite console got the greatest retro console home port of one of the most influential arcade classics in history, and that I was a small part of making it happen, is the only reward I want. :)
Here here!
Yeah, as far as physical distribution, I hold no hopes of it happening. If it does, awesome sauce, but even if it doesn't, it being completed 4 da Turbob is still awesome sauce!
Ok, so any news on this project? Looks pretty awesome from what has been shown.
Is there a kickstarter for this? I'd like to throw some money in. Great work!
Soooo....half a year later. Any news?
Don't mean to rush anyone but it would be awesome to know the project's still alive, you know?
Quote from: Samuray on 07/19/2015, 04:13 PMSoooo....half a year later. Any news?
Don't mean to rush anyone but it would be awesome to know the project's still alive, you know?
I know Nod/Old Rover moved not too long ago, this may be on hold for a while.
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 07/19/2015, 08:31 PMQuote from: Samuray on 07/19/2015, 04:13 PMSoooo....half a year later. Any news?
Don't mean to rush anyone but it would be awesome to know the project's still alive, you know?
I know Nod/Old Rover moved not too long ago, this may be on hold for a while.
Yeah, I don't care about the video games, I just hope Old_Rover and his family are OK.
:)
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion => Topic started by: ToyMachine78 on 10/05/2013, 09:39 PM