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I was just reading this post on digit press "The 6 Most Retarded Gaming Consoles Ever Released (according to cracked.com)" and it links to this old article:
wayback.cracked.com/the-6-most-retarded-gaming-consoles-ever-released.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20141210183403if_/http://www.cracked.com/article_16824_the-6-most-retarded-gaming-consoles-ever-released.html)

I was surprised to see the SuperGrafx on the list. I know it had 5 games released but they were mostly very good, there are other consoles with much larger games libraries with hardly any good games.

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#2. NEC SuperGrafx (1989)

Let's face it, most video game consoles are failures. But few fail on the scale of the SuperGrafx.

Some of you may have owned the TurboGrafx 16 console, but may not know that the Japanese version (called the PC Engine) utterly dominated in that country, beating even the Nintendo NES in its day.

"Oh no, lightening monsters, or whatever!"

Cocky from their success, NEC decided to beef up the TurboGrafx console and released the SuperGrafx in 1989. The beefed-up machine had better graphics and CD-ROM capability (with an add-on). And the games were only $110 each! Or $170 in today's money!

Why you've never heard of it:

Uh, yeah. It was bad enough that the system itself was $300 ($540 adjusted for inflation), CD-ROM not included. All in all, only five games were ever made specifically for the console (it could also play the original TurboGrafx games). The sad thing was, you still couldn't get the whole library without spending enough money to get you a beat-up used car instead.

If I remember correctly, that entire article was the typical oblivious racketboy style uninformed opinions stated as historical fact kinda fluff that clogs the internet. At least Cracked isn't a gaming website. Not that I take the same kind articles seriously on major gaming sites.

in fact and if it matters, the SGFX is the most unretarded gaming console ever. no other console had a better quantity to quality share!

Lame.  How can it have the SGX and Vectrex listed but no Pippen or Xavix?

Any site that hires seanbaby has no right calling anything retarded.

Quote from: CrackTiger on 05/05/2014, 11:47 AMtypical oblivious racketboy style uninformed opinions

Just curious what you mean by this.

^^or neo geo

Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/05/2014, 11:51 AMin fact and if it matters, the SGFX is the most unretarded gaming console ever. no other console had a better quantity to quality share!

Sadly true. None of the games released for it are really bad by any means. The worst one of them was Battle Ace, and I mean it was great by 1990 standards, and is still slightly above average. All the other games for it are really good and hold up well.

Quote from: guest on 05/05/2014, 12:17 PMLame.  How can it have the SGX and Vectrex listed but no Pippen or Xavix?

Pretty much, plenty of better (worse) choices could have been made.

Quote from: guest on 05/05/2014, 12:31 PMAny site that hires seanbaby has no right calling anything retarded.

Ha ha! So true. He tries so hard to be crudely funny in nearly every single sentence. I'm wondering who actually finds him funny. I may have chuckled at him once or twice but mostly he's just annoying. Even in his EGM days he was insanely boring to read.

I own and use the following on the list

#1 Nomad
#3 Vectrex
#5 Fairchild Channel F

Evidently I have an odd taste in systems :P

That list was retarded.

I must be retarded.  I like the Nomad and Vectrex.  I'm also actively seeking a SuperGrafx.  By far the coolect looking console ever.

I'm not going to bother reading the list.

I don't have time to waste at the moment.  :pcgs:

this site is pure trash. they can't even get accurate screenshots together.

also veccy pole position looks like 100x better than ol' and uberdated VCS 2600 pile of poshition.

but what can you say about peeps that judge the veccy from pure emulation, rather than played the real deal bitd?

fail en masse!

I recently grabbed a multi cart and repro light pen for mine so it has gotten a bit more use as of late.

Quote from: guest on 05/05/2014, 12:17 PMLame.  How can it have the SGX and Vectrex listed but no Pippen or Xavix?

How about the CD-i? that turd would be on my list.

Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/05/2014, 11:53 PMthis site is pure trash. they can't even get accurate screenshots together.

also veccy pole position looks like 100x better than ol' and uberdated VCS 2600 pile of poshition.

but what can you say about peeps that judge the veccy from pure emulation, rather than played the real deal bitd?

fail en masse!

Hah wondering why did they picked the godamn VECTREX which was awesome and an unique piece of videogame history. Idiots.
Lol at their failed illustrations too. They placed a Miner 2049er screenshot to complain about the Cassette Vision, while it is in fact for the SUPER CASSETTE VISION. While one has atari 2600 like graphics the Super has almost NES graphics so yeah it was pretty retarded to confuse screenshots like that.

You might say that a mistake like that is forgivable but then you see that they took a Game Gear screenshot to talk about the Nomad.

Quote from: guest on 05/05/2014, 12:31 PMAny site that hires seanbaby has no right calling anything retarded.

Quote from: CrackTiger on 05/05/2014, 11:47 AMtypical oblivious racketboy style uninformed opinions

Just curious what you mean by this.

There is an endless supply of informative articles being pumped out by retro collectors on sites popular among people who either know games by collectibleness or popular appeal (SMB3, Chrono Trigger, Super Metroid and other super "obscure" games). Instead of researching and fact checking their guides on subjects they know very little of, they just make stuff up, state things they think they once heard as fact and based on all of that, jump to far fetched conclusions. These authors are the ones who prove to the internet their hardcoreness by relentlessly spamming the super secter fact that the PCE is actually only an 8-bit machine.

Quote from: guest on 05/06/2014, 02:18 PMYou might say that a mistake like that is forgivable but then you see that they took a Game Gear screenshot to talk about the Nomad.

i noticed that too, which is such a glaring mistake that it almost feels purposeful.

the fact that supergrafx and vectrex are on this list , but r-zone, cd-i, and xavix are not is really annoying.

Well the system itself is very cool, but I can understand how it made the list. How pissed would you be if you shelled out hundreds of dollars (thousands of yen) to buy new hardware, and they only release 5 games for it. What a crock of shit! I wouldn't buy one today as a collector for the same reason. C'mon guys don't let your fanboy tendencies cloud your judgement.

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Quote from: guest on 05/05/2014, 12:31 PMAny site that hires seanbaby has no right calling anything retarded.

Quote from: CrackTiger on 05/05/2014, 11:47 AMtypical oblivious racketboy style uninformed opinions

Just curious what you mean by this.

There is an endless supply of informative articles being pumped out by retro collectors on sites popular among people who either know games by collectibleness or popular appeal (SMB3, Chrono Trigger, Super Metroid and other super "obscure" games). Instead of researching and fact checking their guides on subjects they know very little of, they just make stuff up, state things they think they once heard as fact and based on all of that, jump to far fetched conclusions. These authors are the ones who prove to the internet their hardcoreness by relentlessly spamming the super secter fact that the PCE is actually only an 8-bit machine.

Are you saying Racketboy's articles are the same way?

Quote from: guest on 05/06/2014, 04:25 PMC'mon guys don't let your fanboy tendencies cloud your judgement.

I would've been bummed by it being abandoned so quickly, but at least the few games it does have are pretty good and it's backwards compatible.  Contrast that with CD-i (lots of titles but almost nothing worth playing), the R-Zone (no redeeming qualities whatsoever), or the Nuon (similarly small library but no b.c. to fall back on) and you'll see why the SGX doesn't really belong on the list.  In other words: it's not great but there are many other systems that are far more 'retarded'.

Sure there are definitely many that should come before the SGX

R-Zone? I have to look that one up.

Quote from: guest on 05/06/2014, 05:02 PMSure there are definitely many that should come before the SGX

like @ least two to three dozens!

Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/06/2014, 08:10 PM

Quote from: guest on 05/06/2014, 05:02 PMSure there are definitely many that should come before the SGX

like @ least two to three dozens!

I don't know about that many lol.... You gotta think some of the systems like cd-i weren't strictly gaming systems. They were meant for interactive books, movies, graphical music CDs etc. They weren't really gaming consoles in a strict sense

Quote from: guest on 05/06/2014, 08:20 PMThey were meant for interactive books, movies, graphical music CDs etc.

And they failed even more at doing that.

in the 80s/90s there were dozens of games systems thrown onto the market that failed incredibly and tehrefore never made any appearance on a noticable level.

not really like to quote wiki, but there is quite a good overview of what has been released over decades. I bet my pants, that you would find dozens of systems that are way more retarded than the super grafx was!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_consoles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_consoles)

Tats!!!!... I agree with you lol :)

lucky me, so I can keep my pants on :)

Yeah what about that tandy console that only had a golf game and some disc encyclopedias that was a colossal failure? That was "retarded", not the SGX or Vectrex or even the Nomad.

I have to agree with Tats that there is easily 20 consoles that can make this list from the glory days when new shit was released every week.  Before mega corporations ruled the gaming world.

Game.com, Gizmondo, Nuon, etc.  All shit.

With that said, take away backward compatibility and it is really hard to say the SGX wasn't a terrible idea...  :)

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Quote from: TheClash603 on 05/07/2014, 09:06 PMI have to agree with Tats that there is easily 20 consoles that can make this list from the glory days when new shit was released every week.  Before mega corporations ruled the gaming world.

Game.com, Gizmondo, Nuon, etc.  All shit.

With that said, take away backward compatibility and it is really hard to say the SGX wasn't a terrible idea...  :)

It was a great idea, it was just never utilized. It's closer to Neo Geo in capability than it is to the Genesis and SNES, yet the hardware and software were affordable.

The article cites the NES and Playstation as examples of non-"retarded" consoles, which gives away the anonymous authors' retardedness immediately.

Why didn't they mention that fugly looking console with unremoveable pads, which was so quickly outdated, that most games had to ship with add-on hardware in every cart, is so difficult to get a decent picture out of decades later, the North American variant was prone to failure bitd and lost a major on-cart add-on connection, had fugly color while it was current, for years was its company's direct competitor against consoles a generaton beyond, only managed commercial success due to illegal and immoral practices worldwide and so much more...

I wouldn't mind having a SuperGrafx one day.  Just not on my list of priorities right now.

I wish I never got rid of my SuperGrafx.

SGX can't really suck because it never really tried. It was an experiment, not a console. NEC put one foot in the pool, realized they didn't need a Hucard upgrade, and gracefully bowed out.

It's backward and CD compatible and the handful of exclusives are worth picking up. The creators didn't go bankrupt and not many people were ripped off. Nothing compared to fiascoes like the Virtual Boy, 32X, and Jaguar.

Quote from: guest on 05/09/2014, 04:16 AMSGX can't really suck because it never really tried. It was an experiment, not a console. NEC put one foot in the pool, realized they didn't need a Hucard upgrade, and gracefully bowed out.

It's backward and CD compatible and the handful of exclusives are worth picking up. The creators didn't go bankrupt and not many people were ripped off. Nothing compared to fiascoes like the Virtual Boy, 32X, and Jaguar.

The 32X was a add-on, not a stand alone console, and market wise it really didn't hurt Sega nearly as much as the Saturn did over here, as they did not produce that many 32X add-ons in the end anyway. All it was, was an opportunity for Genesis owners who couldn't afford the 3DO, Saturn, PS1 to get some 32-bit power. And in what, 2 years time, it was able to get 34 cart titles and 6 cd titles. Not bad all in all.

Price wise it was only about $150 with games costing $60 retail, versus the Supergrafx launch price of $300 with games costing $100 retail. It cant even be judged by the same standards, and to be honest, if you did, it had a larger fairly decent library and a much better bang for buck ratio. A small number of better titles then what dedicated titles the Supergrafx got in all.

As much as I like Daimakaimura and 1941 Counter Attack, I'd never take them as a whole over MK2, Primal Rage, Virtua Fighter, Wrestlemania Arcade, VR Racing, NBA Jam TE, AfterBurner and Space Harrier. If you had to say which one better brought the arcade feel at home, the 32X wins that argument.

What's left on the Supergrafx is Aldynes, Battle Ace, and Granzort. All 3 are very good games, C- to B+ quality titles, but pitted against the remainder of the 32X library, there is still Knuckles, Tempo, Kolibri, Blackthorne, Star Wars Arcade, Doom, Shadow Squadron,  Metal Head, Pitfall, Star Trek: Starfleet Academy, T-MEK, Parasquad, etc. Throwing any kind of console loyalty to the side, and just simply being from a gamers perspective, there is more quality in larger quantity on 32X then on the Supergrafx.

I'd be curious to know what the Supergrafx total units sold were at retail in comparison. I know the 32X actually did fairly well initially, up till mid 95. Seems like I remember reading that the 32X sold over half a million units by Dec. 94.

Anyway, Virtual Boy and Jaguar however, yeah, I'd take a Supergrafx over either of those any time. The VB had some unique titles, but the fact that it makes you feel like you're getting brain cancer after 10 mins of play just negates that whole systems value from a players perspective. And the Jaguar, while it has good games, almost all of those same good games are all on other systems, negating the systems value and importance.

Just watching this video "Top 10 Worst Video Game Consoles" and it reminded me of this thread. http://youtu.be/o7XfaVkIlqo In the list I was surprised to see the LaserActive and also although I'm not a huge Sega fan I was surprised to see the Sega CD and 32X.

Quote from: HardcoreOtaku on 08/11/2014, 07:31 AMJust watching this video "Top 10 Worst Video Game Consoles" https://youtu.be/o7XfaVkIlqo and it reminded me of this thread.
In the list I was surprised to see the LaserActive and also although I'm not a huge Sega fan I was surprised to see the Sega CD and 32X.

The Sega CD, I never knew of anyone who regretted that system. Some may have felt certain games didn't add up (Mortal Combat on Sega CD, for example), but other than that, myself, and others I knew who had it, felt OK with it.

The 32X, on the other hand. I know of someone who traded it into Funcoland not even a month after having it, store packaging and all. I guess who couldn't return it to the store he originally bought it from. He took the trade-in money, and saved it to use towards a real next generation system.

Quote from: Otaking on 08/11/2014, 07:31 AMJust watching this video "Top 10 Worst Video Game Consoles" https://youtu.be/o7XfaVkIlqo and it reminded me of this thread.

They've recently followed up that video with "Another Top 10 Worst Video Game Consoles"
http://youtu.be/JOtMulfq17o

WTF?? Sega Saturn is in the list! that is one of my favourite consoles of all time, it had so many good 2D shoot 'em ups and fighting games.
The Turbo Express didn't make the list but got a "dishonourable" mention.

Quote from: Otaking on 09/16/2015, 09:34 AM

Quote from: Otaking on 08/11/2014, 07:31 AMJust watching this video "Top 10 Worst Video Game Consoles" https://youtu.be/o7XfaVkIlqo and it reminded me of this thread.

They've recently followed up that video with "Another Top 10 Worst Video Game Consoles"
http://youtu.be/JOtMulfq17o

WTF?? Sega Saturn is in the list! that is one of my favourite consoles of all time, it had so many good 2D shoot 'em ups and fighting games.
The Turbo Express didn't make the list but got a "dishonourable" mention.

Yep i too love the saturn! I agree it has an awesome shoot'em up library, especially the japanese titles.

Quote from: guest on 05/07/2014, 08:44 AMYeah what about that tandy console that only had a golf game and some disc encyclopedias that was a colossal failure? That was "retarded", not the SGX or Vectrex or even the Nomad.

The VIS, kind of like the CDi someone mentioned earlier was intended to be an interactive media set top box that would replace a PC with its expensive hard drives and monitors in a early-mid 90s household. It obviously failed even more miserably than the CDi did at that task, but it wasn't really intended to be a game console much like the CDi, there just happens to be a game on the VIS.

 The CDi wasn't originally intended to be a game console, but as their market deteriorated they eventually sold later models with proper gamepads and games packed in attempting to lure in people looking to use it as a game console.

Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 09/16/2015, 10:35 AM

Quote from: guest on 05/07/2014, 08:44 AMYeah what about that tandy console that only had a golf game and some disc encyclopedias that was a colossal failure? That was "retarded", not the SGX or Vectrex or even the Nomad.

The VIS, kind of like the CDi someone mentioned earlier was intended to be an interactive media set top box that would replace a PC with its expensive hard drives and monitors in a early-mid 90s household. It obviously failed even more miserably than the CDi did at that task, but it wasn't really intended to be a game console much like the CDi, there just happens to be a game on the VIS.

 The CDi wasn't originally intended to be a game console, but as their market deteriorated they eventually sold later models with proper gamepads and games packed in attempting to lure in people looking to use it as a game console.

I remember when the CD-i was being released it was being marketed as a games machine where you learnt as well, I guess you called it "edutainment". Whether this learning premiss was crap and boring I think it was still technically a games machine.
I think also you would have to judge a past console on how it stood by the end of it's life cycle. For example my opinion was completely different on the Saturn from when it launched to when it finished it's life cycle.

Quote from: Otaking on 09/16/2015, 10:52 AMI remember when the CD-i was being released it was being marketed as a games machine where you learnt as well, I guess you called it "edutainment". Whether this learning premiss was crap and boring I think it was still technically a games machine.
I think also you would have to judge a past console on how it stood by the end of it's life cycle. For example my opinion was completely different on the Saturn from when it launched to when it finished it's life cycle.

Edutainment was a focus for sure. But a lot of what was on it weren't what I'd define as games. It was interactive encyclopedias, and point and click educational titles, etc.

There were a few board games and Tetris early on, but it wasn't until 93 or so (two years after the platform launched) that they really started emphasizing game content on the system).

The original Cracked article was terrible. Fuck that guy, he's an idiot.

But he's not as stupid as the guy that signed off on the SGX. It was a terrible terrible idea. Nowadays things that dumb can kill a company. I'm just glad NEC managed to somehow sweep their unworkable half-ass idea under the rug and things only got better.

Blasphemy, they can rot in HELL  :twisted:

I am somewhat relieved.
I thought this thread was about ME.

Quote from: SuperGrafx on 09/16/2015, 09:18 PMI thought this thread was about ME.

It is.