PCEngine-FX.com

Has anyone else seen this yet?

http://pceworks.wordpress.com/ (http://pceworks.wordpress.com/)

looks like the people (person?) that put together the Sapphire boots from a few years ago is releasing a new set of reproduction games.  Renny Blaster, Faussete Amour, Kaze Kiri Ninja Action and Sylphia for 119 euro shipped.

not sure how i feel about this.  thoughts?

I wonder if they'll be CDRs like his Rockman ones he did or proper printed CDs like the Sapphire bootleg.

These will be on eBay soon if they aren't already, listed as "second run" copies that are "rarer than the original" and the first seller will get as much as or more than the collectors price on non-bootlegs by putting "only listing on ebay!" in the title.

A lot of people won't buy it, but I probably will..  That is IF they are not CD-Rs.

Totally e-mailed him already to see if they're pressed or burned. Now, waiting.

I asked the same and he said they were pressed. I know there's a lot of hate for the guy, but the Sapphire boot was of high enough quality that I don't mind grabbing this. I don't care enough about Faussete Amour or Renny Blaster to pay the prices for real copies, but I don't mind paying ~$40 for a high quality bootleg. Kaze Kiri is the only one of these games I own already.

I will be on the boat with this then!!!

Glad to hear that they are pressed cds and not just cd-r.  Since i don't own these games already I will prob be picking this up.

Not sure what the gold(ish) coin is about tho, is that actually a selling point for anyone?

I just got with him, and he is almost out of stock already... So, if you gonna get it, better hurry.

Looks pretty, I'm on board. <3

(https://i.imgur.com/nv4IWYD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vCjGtUN.jpg)

Quote from: Bernie on 09/21/2014, 08:01 PMI just got with him, and he is almost out of stock already... So, if you gonna get it, better hurry.

I'm sure that it's only the "collectors" set that is almost out of stock, if he's even being honest about that.

Well, when it comes to Tobias, we know what "nearly out of stock" means. Back in the time, Sapphire had been "nearly out of stock" for 5 years.

I have original copies all ready for faussete armor,kaze kiri and sylphia.Though i wouldn't mind having a renny blaster for collection sake.

I won't even think about the clausterfuck that is coming in the future when you want one of the four games as original ](*,). When the games will be sold seperatly from the owners and everybody thinks it's a real one - similar to the Sapphire sales today  :P.

I mean it wouldn't be such a problem if the four games would be marked as reprints but based on Sapphire they sure aren't  :?. A writing that says "This is a reprint" on the last side inside the manual, the back of the spine card, the CD itself and the inside of the backcover and all would be fine => that way you could at least ask if it is an original or not.

Thank god I have these four titles already  :) because all this is doing - it adds four titles to the "you have to be carefull" list  :x if you want original copies.
I get it - the originals are expensive - but even with these reprints existing - I would still want the original - as I have done it with Sapphire.

Or let me say it this way: My four expensive most wanted PCE CD games are Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari, Dead of the Brain 1&2, Madou Monogatari & Shin Onriyou Senki. If the set would contain these four titles I would still prefer the originals and to hunt them down for a good price :).

Pressed is nice, but I don't like how he charges an arm and a leg for something that costs him only a few bucks to produce, and I agree that they should be easily distinguishable from legitimate copies.  Like the Sapphire boots, I bet there'll be obvious differences if you know what to look for, but that won't help noobs and the uninformed.

Quote from: dingsbums on 09/22/2014, 11:10 AMI won't even think about the clausterfuck that is coming in the future when you want one of the four games as original ](*,). When the games will be sold seperatly from the owners and everybody thinks it's a real one - similar to the Sapphire sales today  :P.

I mean it wouldn't be such a problem if the four games would be marked as reprints but based on Sapphire they sure aren't  :?. A writing that says "This is a reprint" on the last side inside the manual, the back of the spine card, the CD itself and the inside of the backcover and all would be fine => that way you could at least ask if it is an original or not.

For whatever reason i was under the impression that it would be labeled "reprint" SOMEWHERE on the game like you said. But that sucks. I'll have to do my research and stress over whether I'm buying the real thing or not when the time comes.

Quote from: guest on 09/22/2014, 11:17 AMPressed is nice, but I don't like how he charges an arm and a leg for something that costs him only a few bucks to produce, and I agree that they should be easily distinguishable from legitimate copies.  Like the Sapphire boots, I bet there'll be obvious differences if you know what to look for, but that won't help noobs and the uninformed.

That whole boxset is ~$150 and it seems mainly due to the coin. I didn't think the games themselves would cost that much. If they were cheaper i probably would have jumped on it.

Quote from: guest on 09/22/2014, 11:22 AMFor whatever reason i was under the impression that it would be labeled "reprint" SOMEWHERE on the game like you said. But that sucks. I'll have to do my research and stress over whether I'm buying the real thing or not when the time comes.

It's just my assumption that they will be not marked.
But based on the fotos seen here:
http://pceworks.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/best-of-japan/#more-54 (http://pceworks.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/best-of-japan/#more-54)

And on the Sapphire bootleg I'm pretty sure they won't be marked.
The only reprint sign I have seen is on the outer box - which can be tossed away easily. And it says on the site that the games will be sold seperatly later on.

If these are full pressed re-pro's I'd have zero issue with the price (fuck the coin though) if it's just nicely done packaging with a CD-R I can do that at home.

Just my .02 on the matter.

Looks like it's nicely done. and I give him some sort of props for keeping the dream alive...

I've placed my order...cant wait to play these as I do not currently own any of them.

Can't wait until there's US repro CD games. hahahahahahahahahahaaaahhhhaahahahahaha eff

Damn, if only I could afford a set...

I already own legit copies of Kaze Kiri and Fausset Amour, but if these are actual pressings I might go in just for Sylphia and Renny Blaster. If anyone wanted Kaze Kiri or Fausset I'd be happy to share the cost with them.

A collector's coin to celebrate a box of bootlegs?  ROLF

Somehow, he just happened to have a set left for me to buy today. :P I'm going to heavily document them along with the rest of his boots and try to narrow down the easiest to spot aspects. We can't have them just floating around with the only info being "some are fake and some are not".

Quote from: guest on 09/23/2014, 03:48 PMSomehow, he just happened to have a set left for me to buy today. :P I'm going to heavily document them along with the rest of his boots and try to narrow down the easiest to spot aspects. We can't have them just floating around with the only info being "some are fake and some are not".

Thank you for doing that.  I was considering doing this myself, glad to hear somebody stepped up.

Personally I'm most concerned about counterfeit spine cards circulating alongside real games.

I wouldn't mind getting them if they had clear markings that they were bootlegs.

Black Tiger, taking one for the team.

When you're done documenting them, you can recoup your outlay by pawning 'em off on some frenchy collectard.  :mrgreen:

Looks like Black Tiger beat me to it. He told me that he would hold a copy for as long as I wanted. Real nice of him but unusual considering their "limited" number.

I'm getting a nice paycheck this week so I think I'll change my mind from earlier and spring for one. In all honesty the Sapphire boot was quite a blessing on my end just so I could appreciate the game. Same goes for these.

Just trying to be real here regarding my possible purchase. The site of the box set kinda gave me a stiffy. Blue Balls really suck too btw.

someone has already posted an unboxing on youtube:

http://youtu.be/HOWp1ZQl_KI

looks like the discs are definitely pressed as earlier reported, and there are new logo makings unique to this repro pressing on the manuals and discs that make these easily identifiable as fakes.

Quote from: ElSeven on 09/23/2014, 10:40 PMsomeone has already posted an unboxing on youtube:

http://youtu.be/HOWp1ZQl_KI

looks like the discs are definitely pressed as earlier reported, and there are new logo makings unique to this repro pressing on the manuals and discs that make these easily identifiable as fakes.

It's cool that he put some logos on them this time, although it looks like he's trying to establish this new brand and if successful, we'll likely see anything of value bootlegged soon enough.

Thanks for the unboxing video. I like that there are some distinguishable logos on them. Now i just wish i had bought this.

I'll probably pick up some individual games if he does decide to do that. Hopefully he does.  [-o<

Quote from: guest on 09/23/2014, 10:58 PMThanks for the unboxing video. I like that there are some distinguishable logos on them. Now i just wish i had bought this.

I'll probably pick up some individual games if he does decide to do that. Hopefully he does.  [-o&lt;

There's no way that he only got 100 copies of each published. I'm sure that you could already buy individual copies if you ask.

Here's what I asked him :

">> Do you plan to release each of these games separatly afterwards ?

not sure yet and if, not before 2015."

As usual, he's gonna tell everyone "buy it quick as there are only few copies left", and then, this will go on for years, just as with Sapphire.

If he were smart, he would deliberately sell out of this one quickly in order to drive up demand for future prints of other games.

Not to try and help him, though. I personally think the amount he's asking is unconscionable.

Really good that he marked the disc & manual this time around  =D>.
I wonder why he didn't include Dracula X in the boxset - maybe because Konami is still around  :-k.

no one is "on the fence" with Dracula X like the other 4 titles that's why

Quote from: dingsbums on 09/24/2014, 09:36 AMI wonder why he didn't include Dracula X in the boxset - maybe because Konami is still around  :-k.

I very much doubt Konami would care enough to take action if he did a print run Dracula X boots.
If he does more I wonder games he will do next? something like Nexzr, Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari, The TV Show, Bazaaru de Gozaaru, Rayxanber III, Steam Hearts.

When he does bootleg Drac X, it will be the English fan version and Burnt Lasagna will never work on a PCE project again.

It will likely be marketed as the "long lost translated version that Konami was waiting to release, should the Turbo-CD sell well enough. This is the version Konami eventually included in the Castlevania Chronicles for PSP".

Quote from: HardcoreOtaku on 09/24/2014, 11:07 AM

Quote from: dingsbums on 09/24/2014, 09:36 AMI wonder why he didn't include Dracula X in the boxset - maybe because Konami is still around  :-k.

I very much doubt Konami would care enough to take action if he did a print run Dracula X boots.
If he does more I wonder games he will do next? something like Nexzr, Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari, The TV Show, Bazaaru de Gozaaru, Rayxanber III, Steam Hearts.

Kinda surprised Steam Hearts wasn't one already, but then again it is kinda also on the Saturn, so that's a thing.

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 09/22/2014, 11:54 PMCan't wait until there's US repro CD games. hahahahahahahahahahaaaahhhhaahahahahaha eff

It's coming...I already asked about it...

Did they mention to anyone else about not inquiring about a tracking number unless the parcel seems late? That seems extremely douchy. Not sure why they would have an issue letting all their customers know their tracking number.  :-k

Quote from: Mathius on 09/24/2014, 09:07 PMDid they mention to anyone else about not inquiring about a tracking number unless the parcel seems late? That seems extremely douchy. Not sure why they would have an issue letting all their customers know their tracking number.  :-k

I got the same message.

Quote from: Mathius on 09/24/2014, 09:07 PMDid they mention to anyone else about not inquiring about a tracking number unless the parcel seems late? That seems extremely douchy. Not sure why they would have an issue letting all their customers know their tracking number.  :-k

So they have the time to tell you not to ask for a tracking number but not the time to just give it to you? That seems really counter-productive and i agree....douchy

Quote from: Bernie on 09/24/2014, 07:47 PM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 09/22/2014, 11:54 PMCan't wait until there's US repro CD games. hahahahahahahahahahaaaahhhhaahahahahaha eff

It's coming...I already asked about it...

You ruined the surprise. lol

Said he's gonna release a Dynastic Hero with a lenticular 3D cover depicting a giant penis eating, you guessed it, another penis. For Germany!

<3

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 09/24/2014, 10:51 PMYou ruined the surprise. lol

Said he's gonna release a Dynastic Hero with a lenticular 3D cover depicting a giant penis eating, you guessed it, another penis. For Germany!

Ohhhhhhhhh.... so that's what a Dynastic Hero is. :shock:

Quote from: InfraMan on 09/24/2014, 10:58 PM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 09/24/2014, 10:51 PMYou ruined the surprise. lol

Said he's gonna release a Dynastic Hero with a lenticular 3D cover depicting a giant penis eating, you guessed it, another penis. For Germany!

Ohhhhhhhhh.... so that's what a Dynastic Hero is. :shock:

It was originally titled "Dillnastic Hurtered" but was changed due to obvious reasons or so I am told.

(https://i.imgur.com/CfvCpZC.png)

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 09/24/2014, 11:06 PMIt was originally titled "Dillnastic Hurtered" but was changed due to obvious reasons or so I am told.

(https://i.imgur.com/CfvCpZC.png)

HAAA! I would totally not be surprised at all if this actually existed. Because Cho Aniki.

And just to post something remotely on-topic (pfft!), I did order one of these sets. I figure less than $40 each for these four games isn't too bad, given how much the real ones go for.

Quote from: InfraMan on 09/24/2014, 11:26 PM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 09/24/2014, 11:06 PMIt was originally titled "Dillnastic Hurtered" but was changed due to obvious reasons or so I am told.

(https://i.imgur.com/CfvCpZC.png)

HAAA! I would totally not be surprised at all if this actually existed. Because Cho Aniki.

And just to post something remotely on-topic (pfft!), I did order one of these sets. I figure less than $40 each for these four games isn't too bad, given how much the real ones go for.

lol

I'm totes ordering one soon.

I purchased the Sapphire/Mega Man/Fantasy Zone set from him a while back, and quite frankly am happy for doing so. As I see it, he is bringing the experience of owning the game and playing the game  to people who cannot afford to pay hundreds of dollars per game. I understand that the cost is a bit inflated for a reproduction, but you can clearly see the attention to detail and attempt to replicate the original (maybe to a fault) and understand that its no small effort to get all this done.

As much as  I love the Turbo/PCE its just not realistic to expect to own these games in the current eBay collectors climate.

I will not be purchasing this set as I already own Kaze Kiri, but if he puts them up individually I'll certainly go for 1 or 2.

Quote from: reson8er on 09/25/2014, 10:40 AMI purchased the Sapphire/Mega Man/Fantasy Zone set from him a while back, and quite frankly am happy for doing so. As I see it, he is bringing the experience of owning the game and playing the game  to people who cannot afford to pay hundreds of dollars per game. I understand that the cost is a bit inflated for a reproduction, but you can clearly see the attention to detail and attempt to replicate the original (maybe to a fault) and understand that its no small effort to get all this done.

As much as  I love the Turbo/PCE its just not realistic to expect to own these games in the current eBay collectors climate.

I will not be purchasing this set as I already own Kaze Kiri, but if he puts them up individually I'll certainly go for 1 or 2.

It was also no small effort for tomaitheus to get Mega Man running on PC Engine, before the animeforever guy snagged it and started selling repros without contacting him.

I understand that the cost of a donation to his site may feel inconvenient for an NES-to-PCE reproduction that you can take for free, but you can clearly see Tom's attention to detail and attempt to replicate the original NES game (maybe to a fault) and understand that its no small effort to get all this done.

All the repro guy did was spend $3 - $5 a copy to physically publish tomaitheus' work, built off of the work of everyone who contributed to the original game and sources of the packaging assets, and then sold them for $70 - $100+ each.

Speaking of repos, does anyone know if the repo of Sapphire has hurt or helped the market for real copies of the game? Are they just as expensive/sought after these days? Or are most people just happy with the repo?

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 09/22/2014, 11:54 PMCan't wait until there's US repro CD games. hahahahahahahahahahaaaahhhhaahahahahaha eff

I would totally buy pressed reproductions of rare USA Turbo CD titles. With prices the way they are, I would feel no guilt whatsoever owning a "fake" copy. I would feel much more guilt paying hundreds of dollars for a "real" copy.

That's kinda sad, in a way.

Quote from: Trenton_net on 09/25/2014, 05:14 PMSpeaking of repos, does anyone know if the repo of Sapphire has hurt or helped the market for real copies of the game? Are they just as expensive/sought after these days? Or are most people just happy with the repo?

The bootleg has not affected the price of original copies which have stayed at about the same.
I wouldn't have guessed this, I would of thought it would of affected the price, but I guess looking at Neo Geo AES games they haven't lost their value and they're ridden with fake carts.

Two thoughts

1. This guy is obviously getting away with what he's doing. He also seems to be an asshole for a number of reasons. Wouldn't it be nice if someone in this community with the know-how and the equipment made their own bootlegs and sold them at 1/3 the price that this guy is?

2. If and when I finish any translation projects - currently Xanadu II, Spriggan Mark 2 and Anearth Fantasy Stories are in the pipeline - I will be really pissed if this guy makes and sells bootlegs of them. It's enough that I actually kind of don't want to translate the manuals just because I don't want to give him that resource.

Quote from: SamIAm on 09/25/2014, 08:07 PMTwo thoughts

1. This guy is obviously getting away with what he's doing. He also seems to be an asshole for a number of reasons. Wouldn't it be nice if someone in this community with the know-how and the equipment made their own bootlegs and sold them at 1/3 the price that this guy is?

2. If and when I finish any translation projects - currently Xanadu II, Spriggan Mark 2 and Anearth Fantasy Stories are in the pipeline - I will be really pissed if this guy makes and sells bootlegs of them. It's enough that I actually kind of don't want to translate the manuals just because I don't want to give him that resource.

Exactly (x2)

I think NecroPhile had a thread a few years ago talking about getting the ball rolling on boots and translations. This should really be happening in the community I agree.

I'm really not opposed to someone making a little profit from this given the time, trouble and overhead it takes to do it. That's why even if a bootleg only costs $3-5 to produce, I'd still gladly pay $10-20. This guy, however, is just trying to make as much money as possible, and given the circumstances I find that very repugnant.

Furthermore, what he did with Bonknut's Mega Man is unforgivable, IMO, and for that reason alone I will simply never give him my money no matter what he offers.

I agree. The more I think about it, the less appealing it sounds to go in on this offer. Non of the games in this package are considered "rare" since all you need is money and you can get any of them instantly. It's not like comparing a game like Bazaru which hardly shows up for sale even if you had money (IMHO).

I also think that in the grand scheme of things, $200-$300 for a game isn't too bad. A few trades here and there or cutting back on your mass buying for a bit will cover the cost just fine. In the end, I think I'd rather own the real copies than the fakes.

Quote from: guest on 09/25/2014, 03:07 PM

Quote from: reson8er on 09/25/2014, 10:40 AMI purchased the Sapphire/Mega Man/Fantasy Zone set from him a while back, and quite frankly am happy for doing so. As I see it, he is bringing the experience of owning the game and playing the game  to people who cannot afford to pay hundreds of dollars per game. I understand that the cost is a bit inflated for a reproduction, but you can clearly see the attention to detail and attempt to replicate the original (maybe to a fault) and understand that its no small effort to get all this done.

As much as  I love the Turbo/PCE its just not realistic to expect to own these games in the current eBay collectors climate.

I will not be purchasing this set as I already own Kaze Kiri, but if he puts them up individually I'll certainly go for 1 or 2.

It was also no small effort for tomaitheus to get Mega Man running on PC Engine, before the animeforever guy snagged it and started selling repros without contacting him.

I understand that the cost of a donation to his site may feel inconvenient for an NES-to-PCE reproduction that you can take for free, but you can clearly see Tom's attention to detail and attempt to replicate the original NES game (maybe to a fault) and understand that its no small effort to get all this done.

All the repro guy did was spend $3 - $5 a copy to physically publish tomaitheus' work, built off of the work of everyone who contributed to the original game and sources of the packaging assets, and then sold them for $70 - $100+ each.

I honestly had no idea of any of that before reading this post. Had I known, I would not have contributed to them getting money for someone elses hard work.  What the repro guy should have done is 1. asked for permission and 2. Share in the sales if he received the permission.

Definitely a douchy move stealing Bonknuts' Megaman port. On the other hand, I feel the Sapphire boot gave the non-rich a method of playing the game on real hardware with a pressed disc. Now with the tracking number fiasco these guys are throwing themselves off balance into douchy dingleberry territory. I won't lie-I feel bad about throwing money at these guys. But I am excited to play Sylphia. I haven't ever played it before.

Sylphia is one of my favorite shooters on the system...  You'll enjoy it!

I don't like it one bit. and I still need me to get a renny blaster. but I won't support that fraudery for no price.

What dont you like about it tats?  I thought it had spiffy music, fluid controls and a nice weapon and enemy variety.  Some of the stages looked boring but the rest is good.

lol benby. sure not the games. I don't like this kind of making big fraudient monies with others properties.

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/28/2014, 01:52 AMlol benby. sure not the games. I don't like this kind of making big fraudient monies with others properties.

Silly Swissler,

He was asking you to explain what you don't like about Sylphia itself, not the bootlegging of PCE games.

 :pcgs:

lol silly you both.

I wasn't talking about sylphia from the beginning, but about the repros that this thread is about. get it? :P

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/28/2014, 01:52 AMlol benby. sure not the games. I don't like this kind of making big fraudient monies with others properties.

So ask your country's banks to give back our money  :mrgreen:

OOOOH  I gotcha.  Good good :D 

Repro's = frowsy
Sylphia = guten

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/28/2014, 10:43 AMlol silly you both.

I wasn't talking about sylphia from the beginning, but about the repros that this thread is about. get it? :P

Swissler!

Explain what you like/don't like about Sylphia.

Thank you.  :pcgs:

I may or may not have ordered this...

.-.

Shame on you Mzo. As penance, you must send me Kazi Kiri.

Quote from: esteban on 09/28/2014, 04:49 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/28/2014, 10:43 AMlol silly you both.

I wasn't talking about sylphia from the beginning, but about the repros that this thread is about. get it? :P

Swissler!

Explain what you like/don't like about Sylphia.

Thank you.  :pcgs:

I like almost everything about sylphia. but at some points it is a bit unballanced grafically wise and too easy IIRC ^^

I've cleard Sylphia the very first time I played this game. It is very, very easy indeed.

that's what I do remember as well.

I'd be up to get some good repros for titles I won't ever be willing or able to buy. The problem though is the price and attempt to turn the repros themselves into new inflated speculative collector items like this particular box set.

However, reading this thread, I can't help to think that it could be worth the effort to make a community driven repro project. Interest about a particularly title could be investigated, a team could be designated to work on the different parts of the project, and in the same spirit of group buys, members of PCEFX or else could pre-order said title to determine the quantity needed for the repros. Little fee for those working on the project could be determined transparently (mostly symbolic reward than true salary for the labour), and if working on a repros/print of a translated project, the translating team would also be able to get a share, or a bunch of prints for reselling themselves, or put some of the incomes into a pot for future translation projects, etc.

Basically all sorts of transparent and cooperative funding models could be explored to make it both a fun experiment for the community as well as provide nice repros at a non-hyped, non-inflated price.

The ultimate problem with making repros etc is that whoever does it is subjecting themselves to possible legal problems.  Even though this stuff is old the IP is still owned by someone.  When you start making money off of counterfeit / repro goods there's always a lawyer ready to put the hammer down.  If someone is willing to take the chance... great but it does make it harder to do a group driven project of sorts.  Too much attention to a project can result in the aforementioned problems.

Not trying to crap on the idea, but just reminding people to keep in mind the full implications of what is being suggested.  From what I hear Konami is a bitch when it comes to IP violations and since they own what's left of Hudson (RIP) I suspect there could be problems.

Yeah, I wouldn't try to make a repro of Dracula X, that's for sure.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if most pressing plants in the US would turn down the project.

The real challenge would be finding a pressing plant with just the right amount of unscrupulousness, and setting up distribution that is down-low enough not to attract the wrong kind of attention, but visible enough to get buyers. After all, if you can't sell at least several hundred of each disc, it's probably not worth it.

If I were doing this, I might start with Cotton US. Success probably wouldn't put up a fight over that one. The Hudson games...who knows?

There have been attempts at organizing this before and even with the prospect of charging forum members as little as $5 a disc, there has always been a bunch of people against it. Which is why I'm baffled that there's little negativity and lots of defenders of animeforever in threads like this. Maybe it was because Turbo titles were suggested before and sone people were afraid if hurting their investments.

The last time Necromancer tried to organize one, people voted for Space Fantasy Zone, which animeforever already reproed. It got stalled by the attempt to add original music to it, which unfortunately was sound very un-Fantasy Zone and un-Space Harrier.

I think that games like Cotton and Godzilla should be the last pricey Turbo CD games to get this treatment, as they already have perfectly playable PCE versions at down to earth prices. Games like Dynastic Hero, M&MIII and Beyond Shadowgate make the most sense as far as game playing goes.

scanning and retouching all the art and design would be a tremendous amount of work. And, I imagine, why people like PCE works charge what they do. It's easy to dismiss as a shitty bootleg but reproducing all the art/packaging takes work.

I think it's possible for a community-driven project that someone might donate all that time to, in terms of the design work involved. but I think people just don't realize how much work actually goes into something like that. Regardless of your view on it.

I think it's extremely unlikely Konami or any other owners of the original IP would take action if any fan made small print run of games were done, it's far too small to warrant their time and energy to take legal action. For example look at all the fan made SNES repro carts that have been done for fan translations and unreleased games. Nintendo didn't take any legal action with those and they're the most notorious company for doing so.

Quote from: HardcoreOtaku on 09/29/2014, 11:10 AMI think it's extremely unlikely Konami or any other owners of the original IP would take action if any fan made small print run of games were done, it's far too small to warrant their time and energy to take legal action. For example look at all the fan made SNES repro carts that have been done for fan translations and unreleased games. Nintendo didn't take any legal action with those and they're the most notorious company for doing so.

it all depends on if/which media outlets pick it up as a story. If Kotaku spews some garbage about it, here comes the cease and desist. If it stayed low to the ground, you are right.

Quote from: HardcoreOtaku on 09/29/2014, 11:10 AMI think it's extremely unlikely Konami or any other owners of the original IP would take action if any fan made small print run of games were done, it's far too small to warrant their time and energy to take legal action. For example look at all the fan made SNES repro carts that have been done for fan translations and unreleased games. Nintendo didn't take any legal action with those and they're the most notorious company for doing so.

Except for when Konami has threatened legal action in the past against people distributing Drac X or even talking about it.

Woot, the mail guy just delivered my PC Engine Memories set! :dance:

I am very impressed with the quality... well worth the ~$150, in my (not at all expert) opinion. I couldn't tell an obvious difference from the real thing from the outside, but the back of each manual has "PC Engine Memories" prominently displayed, so there's no mistaking THAT for the original, lol.

Also, I don't know about the others yet, but I took a quick look at the Sylphia disc compared to the ones listed on eBay, and the little Compact Disc/Super CD-ROM2 icons on the right side are slightly different.

Anyhoo, iffy morality questions aside, I'm very happy with my purchase... now it's time to finally play some Sylphia!

Quote from: HardcoreOtaku on 09/29/2014, 11:10 AMI think it's extremely unlikely Konami or any other owners of the original IP would take action if any fan made small print run of games were done, it's far too small to warrant their time and energy to take legal action.

Famous last words...

so Sylphia and Kaze Kiri I know and have played.  Not familiar with Renny Blaster and Fausette Amour, but the gameplay footage I have seen has not left me impressed.  What am I missing here (other than "rarity")?  Seems like a lot of money to outlay for pretty mediocre gameplay.

Like all exorbitantly priced games, their value is based upon rarity (real or perceived) and has very little to do with game play value.

My original post was not so much a naive call to take illegal action and start making counterfeit products, rather turn the understandable frustration shared in this thread into a more positive discussion about the possibility of doing this sort of things as a group.

Certainly my sum-up was a simplified overview of what could be possible, however I do believe that a handful of people using the right tools and working with the right sources would be able to produce quality repros at completely affordable price. It might not be a 1:1 repros, but I seriously doubt the "professional" CD repros out there are using the exact same paper, color calibration, silk screen process as the originals and compared next to each others might well be easily distinguishable.

As for the IP issue, this is of course a tricky one, while it is certainly not a valid legal protection, it is obvious that a very short run of repros distributed in an ad-hoc way and produced at cost, is not quite the same as making a dedicated website with a shopping cart and selling products with a margin, or making a port for a mobile app store or Steam-like platform. I doubt mainstream geeky media would pick up on something so low-key as a few hundreds repros from a PCE game nobody cares about but a handful of obeying nerds. But it is true that's still playing with fire.

I wonder what would happen if one tries to contact the IP owner of ${FAV_GAME} to discuss the possibility of a very limited pseudo licensing option.

Quote from: guest on 09/29/2014, 03:27 PMLike all exorbitantly priced games, their value is based upon rarity (real or perceived) and has very little to do with game play value.

got it.  i was starting question my own taste in games.  i only buy games i like and will play (repeatedly).  i had no problem with the sapphire booty because it rocks, but i will be passing on this set.  if they decide to sell sylphia and kaze kiri separately, i will probably pick them up.

I have been intrigued with these four games for years and being able to finally play them on real hardware finally swayed me. I'm poor and I don't trust my knowledge of proper CD-R usage in NEC CD drives. The variation differences interests me too but that appears to be taken care of by other members currently. It's not like I could have contributed much to that seeing as I don't own the originals hehe.

Got mine today! :D 10 of 100 apparently.

Quote from: Sadler on 10/01/2014, 04:34 PMGot mine today! :D 10 of 100 apparently.

Mine arrived today too. 89 of 100 :(

More important: lets get that Golden Axe remake pressed when its finished. :)

Quote from: pixeljunkie on 10/02/2014, 12:17 AMMore important: lets get that Golden Axe remake pressed when its finished. :)

F*** yeah!

Quote from: deubeul on 10/02/2014, 04:33 AM

Quote from: pixeljunkie on 10/02/2014, 12:17 AMMore important: lets get that Golden Axe remake pressed when its finished. :)

F*** yeah!

Wow, how did I forget about that?

Someone bump the old thread so new folks can drool over the upgraded everything. 

 (https://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.png)

Quote from: hoobs88 on 10/01/2014, 07:18 PM

Quote from: Sadler on 10/01/2014, 04:34 PMGot mine today! :D 10 of 100 apparently.

Mine arrived today too. 89 of 100 :(

#88 here. I didn't get a chance to play around with the games yet, but it's a very nice looking package.

....'Golden Axe" remake? Is that a joke....?? A cruel one, at that? I LOVE that game, but neither searching here nor on Google revealed anything about a potential remake on PCE.
If there's anything to it, and if there's a chance it may become available pressed, please enlighten me! (don't use emus and stuff like that)

Quote from: Samuray on 10/02/2014, 05:57 PM....'Golden Axe" remake? Is that a joke....?? A cruel one, at that? I LOVE that game, but neither searching here nor on Google revealed anything about a potential remake on PCE.
If there's anything to it, and if there's a chance it may become available pressed, please enlighten me! (don't use emus and stuff like that)

Comrade, use the Google "site:search" and you'll find it. It's awesome. Thank nodtveidt (Old_Rover) and CrackTiger and __________ for SHEER AWESOMENESS.

Quote from: Samuray on 10/02/2014, 05:57 PM....'Golden Axe" remake? Is that a joke....?? A cruel one, at that? I LOVE that game, but neither searching here nor on Google revealed anything about a potential remake on PCE.

Did you really look?  You can read about it in this thread (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=15488.15), which is literally the first result if you search for "golden axe".

Damn.....yeah, I saw that but didn't pay it any attention, thinking it was just a thread about the regular PCE CD "Golden Axe". Was looking for the word "remake" in the title or something like that. Well..thanks!

Rove and me used to talk about Golden Axe PCE remake on the old chat all the time. I can remember begging him to give animation to the eyes of the giant hawk and turtle. Once Rove gets moved in up here in the states I hope to see the project renewed.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?msg=317584

I got mine today...number 28 out of 100

Happy with my purchase...now its time to play some Sylphia!!!

Eye gawt Sen Frensasco 49ers out of hundo. Yay! Kinda noticed that the overall quality of the pressed discs themselves seems to be a little lesser than that of the Sapphire boot. Hmm...

Mine are unfortunately stuck at the post office. Monday for me, I guess.

did anyone get a loose copy of sapphire when they bought the repro?  the loose one i bought might be a cdr as it looks different - lighter in colour mainly - not that it matters but should i not be using it if it is a cdr?  i have always just used the loose disc and have never played the actual repro - thanks

Quote from: albatross on 10/04/2014, 09:40 PMdid anyone get a loose copy of sapphire when they bought the repro?  the loose one i bought might be a cdr as it looks different - lighter in colour mainly - not that it matters but should i not be using it if it is a cdr?  i have always just used the loose disc and have never played the actual repro - thanks

He started selling off the misprints cheap.

i see - that makes sense - thank you

Mine came in, got 96 of 100.  8) I never had a chance to play Renny Blaster before, and I ended up finishing it in one sitting only dying once near the end. I figured out pretty quickly that I could just cheese the enemies with the slide attack. That game is weird, a bit janky all around that's for sure.

Quote from: fairwitness on 10/05/2014, 07:43 PMMine came in, got 96 of 100.  8) I never had a chance to play Renny Blaster before, and I ended up finishing it in one sitting only dying once near the end. I figured out pretty quickly that I could just cheese the enemies with the slide attack. That game is weird, a bit janky all around that's for sure.

There does appear to be some jank, yes.

How long did it take you?

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/06/2014, 05:35 AMHow long did it take you?

Wasn't keeping track but it felt like no more than 30 minutes.

Renny Blaster is an unfinished project that got sewn up and kicked out the door before being polished. It had a lot of potential though.

Got mine in today. BT, did you take any pics yet? You'll probably have better lighting than I do. I can try after work later today maybe.

Quote from: Mathius on 10/06/2014, 03:00 PMGot mine in today. BT, did you take any pics yet? You'll probably have better lighting than I do. I can try after work later today maybe.

Bad lighting at my place too. Still waiting. Canada Post takes extra long for stuff that doesn't fit in a mail box and the carriers in my area only bother delivering two or three times a week.

Quote from: fairwitness on 10/06/2014, 07:31 AM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/06/2014, 05:35 AMHow long did it take you?

Wasn't keeping track but it felt like no more than 30 minutes.

30 minutes, hmm? Since you're a time traveler, I'll assume that means 45-60 for everyone else. Zhank you. I played it for a sec. then realized OMG need to play dat Kaze Kiri.

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/06/2014, 05:10 PM

Quote from: fairwitness on 10/06/2014, 07:31 AM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/06/2014, 05:35 AMHow long did it take you?

Wasn't keeping track but it felt like no more than 30 minutes.

30 minutes, hmm? Since you're a time traveler, I'll assume that means 45-60 for everyone else. Zhank you. I played it for a sec. then realized OMG need to play dat Kaze Kiri.

In my old playthrough video, it's 34 minutes from when you first gain control of a character until you beat the final boss. That's including the cinemas in-between, which can likely be skipped.

Got mine today. I have to admit, the quality of this reproduction is kind of stunning. I'm pretty blown away by it. The attention to detail, the fact that he even included the spine cards, the concept art, and other extras, is really impressive.

Now, is it $150 impressive? I guess that's up to the buyer. The fact that these are basically glorified bootlegs makes me say no. But the overall quality makes me say yes.

I gotta add my hat to the "blown away by quality" group. And Kazi Kiri is so much fun that I can't believe that I have been avoiding this game for so many years. If you like Kung Fu on the NES then you'll be in 16-Bit Super CD Heaven. No pics yet. It's nighttime now and I'll need sunshine to add the proper amount of light.

I got lot 24 out of 100.

Quote from: guest on 10/06/2014, 06:09 PMIn my old playthrough video, it's 34 minutes from when you first gain control of a character until you beat the final boss. That's including the cinemas in-between, which can likely be skipped.

Well, gosh darn, guess this be a game I don't have to block out much time for. Neato!

Thanks, Mister.

Whelp, sold out.  I knew I should've acted sooner.  Oh well.

he said he was gonna offer up the games individually next year

From the email I received:

"more sets will be available later on this year.
Likely in late october or early november. People on the waiting list will
get a heads up early on. Expect an email in roughly 2 weeks from now."

So are they going to be numbered "1/100" again. :P

I hope some collectors bought the set as an actual limited edition collectible.

Quote from: guest on 10/07/2014, 04:09 PMSo are they going to be numbered "1/100" again. :P

I hope some collectors bought the set as an actual limited edition collectible.

That'd be too funny. No one should purchase these thinking "OMG! Future Rare, must hold onto!"

I wonder why I'm not surprised :p Tobias will never change. I told you so.

Quote from: shubibiman on 10/08/2014, 05:14 AMI wonder why I'm not surprised :p Tobias will never change. I told you so.

He's going to re-releasing these items many, many times.

Quote from: Mathius on 10/06/2014, 11:12 PMI gotta add my hat to the "blown away by quality" group. And Kazi Kiri is so much fun that I can't believe that I have been avoiding this game for so many years. If you like Kung Fu on the NES then you'll be in 16-Bit Super CD Heaven. No pics yet. It's nighttime now and I'll need sunshine to add the proper amount of light.

I got lot 24 out of 100.

Kaze Kiri is a great game and a favorite of mine, it really scratches my "ninja action" game itch on the PCE. Very fun game, especially when you learn the controls and start doing all the moves in succession.

Looks pretty awesome to me, maybe if i order one soon i can score one of those sweet coins!

Quote from: clackattack on 10/09/2014, 10:51 AMLooks pretty awesome to me, maybe if i order one soon i can score one of those sweet coins!

Well, I would think that even when the set is re-released, the coins will not be. Just a hunch.

Any thoughts on the peculiarly titled "Renny Blaster", anyone? Didn't know about that game until now.

Quote from: Samuray on 10/09/2014, 07:07 PMAny thoughts on the peculiarly titled "Renny Blaster", anyone? Didn't know about that game until now.

It isn't worth $400.

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/09/2014, 11:40 PMIt isn't worth $400.

Just gonna leave this here, for those who may not be aware of it: http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/)

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/10/2014, 01:27 AM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/09/2014, 11:40 PMIt isn't worth $400.

Just gonna leave this here, for those who may not be aware of it: http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/)

Interesting little post, I like the concepts in it and it make sense from the point of a reviewer, but not a consumer to me.

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/10/2014, 01:27 AM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/09/2014, 11:40 PMIt isn't worth $400.

Just gonna leave this here, for those who may not be aware of it: http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/)

I agree with the author of that post: reviews are stronger when they focus on the game itself. It's ok to question spending too much $$$$, but perhaps in separate section, at end of review.

 :pcgs:

Quote from: guest on 10/10/2014, 12:20 PMInteresting little post, I like the concepts in it and it make sense from the point of a reviewer, but not a consumer to me.

It's true that the article was referring to another context, but the same concepts apply "as a consumer."

When HailingTheThings says "It isn't worth $400" what he really means is "given my own personal financial situation and interest level in this game, I would not pay $400 to own it."  It's a statement about himself, despite being worded as if it were a fact about the game.  You or others may or may not agree with that statement.  If a reader knows HailingTheThings and knows that they share his taste in games and financial standing then his statement has some value to them.  But it's still not a fact that the game "isn't worth $400."

And I think that HailingTheThings was also implicitly "reviewing" this game when he made a statement about its relative worth--but he did so on the basis of cost, which I consider to be a misguided approach, hence the link.

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/10/2014, 09:38 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/10/2014, 12:20 PMInteresting little post, I like the concepts in it and it make sense from the point of a reviewer, but not a consumer to me.

It's true that the article was referring to another context, but the same concepts apply "as a consumer."

When HailingTheThings says "It isn't worth $400" what he really means is "given my own personal financial situation and interest level in this game, I would not pay $400 to own it."  It's a statement about himself, despite being worded as if it were a fact about the game.  You or others may or may not agree with that statement.  If a reader knows HailingTheThings and knows that they share his taste in games and financial standing then his statement has some value to them.  But it's still not a fact that the game "isn't worth $400."

And I think that HailingTheThings was also implicitly "reviewing" this game when he made a statement about its relative worth--but he did so on the basis of cost, which I consider to be a misguided approach, hence the link.

Don't think I've seen someone use my name that many times in a single post. Should buy me a fucking drink, hehe.

Also, that game is not worth $400, whether you can throw monies about or not. The games is just super meh.

THAT'S MY REVIEW, HOLY SHIT!!!

Also, seriously, buy me a drink, I may be more inclined to pay your asking price for Vasteel.

Also. . .

*kisses*

On one hand, I find it a little asinine when someone is reviewing a game and they say something like "It's not worth $30". Do you think it's worth $20? If $30 is as valuable to me as $20 is to you, should I get it? If I enjoy the game 50% more than you, should I get it? These subjective factors make the statement useless, and a time-wasting distraction from the rest of the review.

However, on the other hand, in extreme situations where the price is sky-high and the game totally blows, it makes plenty of sense. It's hard to draw a line, but $400 is a considerable chunk of change for most people. If you simply think the game isn't fun, there's probably not much harm in pointing out that the price is reason enough to avoid it.

Quote from: SamIAm on 10/10/2014, 11:56 PMOn one hand, I find it a little asinine when someone is reviewing a game and they say something like "It's not worth $30". Do you think it's worth $20? If $30 is as valuable to me as $20 is to you, should I get it? If I enjoy the game 50% more than you, should I get it? These subjective factors make the statement useless, and a time-wasting distraction from the rest of the review.

However, on the other hand, in extreme situations where the price is sky-high and the game totally blows, it makes plenty of sense. It's hard to draw a line, but $400 is a considerable chunk of change for most people. If you simply think the game isn't fun, there's probably not much harm in pointing out that the price is reason enough to avoid it.

Well-said.

I can't put it any clearer than you did, except to add that the reviewer should discuss "cost of ownership" in a separate section at end of review (separate from the actual review).

"Cost of ownership" should not be a thread running through a review.

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/10/2014, 01:27 AM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/09/2014, 11:40 PMIt isn't worth $400.

Just gonna leave this here, for those who may not be aware of it: http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/)

this is re-seller/dealer propaganda.  it's the standard line everyone trying to sell anything at an outrageous mark-up tries to use.  "it may not be worth it to you, but it might be to someone else" really means "99.9% of you aren't stupid enough to pay this, but I'm waiting for that .1% moron to walk through that door." 

I believe that when most people say "it isnt worth the money" what they are really saying is "from a strictly gameplay standpoint, there just isnt enough game there to justify the expenditure".  a collector may be willing to overlook a bad game just for the rarety/collectibility of a game, but i dont care about them.  this is a TG16/PCE GAMERS forum, not a collectors forum.  Collectors and their subjective definitions of "worth" can go somewhere else.

Quote from: schweaty on 10/11/2014, 09:45 AM

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/10/2014, 01:27 AM

Quote from: HailingTheThings on 10/09/2014, 11:40 PMIt isn't worth $400.

Just gonna leave this here, for those who may not be aware of it: http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/ (http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/)

this is re-seller/dealer propaganda.  it's the standard line everyone trying to sell anything at an outrageous mark-up tries to use.  "it may not be worth it to you, but it might be to someone else" really means "99.9% of you aren't stupid enough to pay this, but I'm waiting for that .1% moron to walk through that door." 

I believe that when most people say "it isnt worth the money" what they are really saying is "from a strictly gameplay standpoint, there just isnt enough game there to justify the expenditure".  a collector may be willing to overlook a bad game just for the rarety/collectibility of a game, but i dont care about them.  this is a TG16/PCE GAMERS forum, not a collectors forum.  Collectors and their subjective definitions of "worth" can go somewhere else.

*looks for like button, can't find one...agrees totally*

If a game regularly sells for an aporopriately low or reasonable price, then that is what it is worth paying for it as a buyer and player. Even if at the same time idiots regularly hit Buy it Now on listings ten times higher, it isn't worth the top end price. That is just immoral gougers preying on the ignorant, which is unfortunately the majority of oraganized "collectors" who define their "hobby" by  what they learn from others. Even though losers regularly argue that the top end is "fair market value", all they're really saying is that sellers can legally get away with it and that is the the entirety of their moral compass. The only thing worse is the collecting enthusiasts who aren't fulltime resellers, yet cheer them on from the sidelines and spend all their time in game enthusiast forums like this on market talk and trying to convert the rest of us so that prices can sky rocket completely out of control.

Quote from: guest on 10/11/2014, 11:30 AMEven though losers regularly argue that the top end is "fair market value"

I hope you aren't talking about me here.  I was just posting a link and throwing in my $0.02 about the relevance of saying what a game is "worth" (financially) in the first place, I wasn't making any direct statement about the value of Renny Blaster, which I have not even played.

Quote from: schweaty on 10/11/2014, 09:45 AMthis is re-seller/dealer propaganda

I'm weirdly flattered to be called a propagandist, it feels like a sign that my argument seems convincing to the unconvinced.  FWIW my position, just speaking personally, is more that of the "moron" you refer to in your post rather than the boogeyman gouger.

Quote from: schweaty on 10/11/2014, 09:45 AMthis is a TG16/PCE GAMERS forum, not a collectors forum

Are you making value judgements about me?  It's not clear from the context, maybe you are just speaking generally?  I have a vast collection that I play regularly, and I'm also a PCE developer.  I think the whole collector/gamer dichotomy is a little misguided myself, my thoughts about that are here if you're curious (although I suspect you will disagree with me given the tone of your reply!!): https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769)

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/11/2014, 04:16 PMI wasn't making any direct statement about the value of Renny Blaster, which I have not even played.

You should really check it out.

*catface*

I think in this case, everyone is right. Because it boils down to just that: opinion. I think in any market connected to a "hobby" you deal with this. There will always be artificial market inflation thanks to scumbags looking to cash in or flip. It frustrates everyone, including the people that only collect. But especially hurts those of us that want to play these games.

True, we could play teh roms all day. But for many of us [speaking of myself especially] I am acquiring games I wanted when I was in high school but couldn't afford. [see: Die Hard Gamefan ads with tons of import screenshots] I am buying the real thing to play because I get an emotional connection from touching and experiencing "the real thing". I realize its purely a nostalgic connection, but it is what it is and I don't get that from roms.

Something like these bootlegs manages to do a couple of things:

1. tickles my fancy of getting to play physical copies of these games that I can't afford or won't buy [in this case Sylphia being the only one I can't justify dropping $300+ on]

2. buying something brand new that's PC Engine related. Be it official or not. It's fun. I get a colorful new package in the mail to unwrap and look at.

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about morons who pay inflated prices because they are impatient or ignorant. It has zero to do with value/gameplay in these instances. In my opinion it is just an unfortunate side effect of living in the time we are in with internet, ebay, etc. Its only going to get worse.

Quote from: schweaty on 10/11/2014, 09:45 AMI believe that when most people say "it isnt worth the money" what they are really saying is "from a strictly gameplay standpoint, there just isnt enough game there to justify the expenditure".  a collector may be willing to overlook a bad game just for the rarety/collectibility of a game, but i dont care about them.  this is a TG16/PCE GAMERS forum, not a collectors forum.  Collectors and their subjective definitions of "worth" can go somewhere else.

Bullshit; most everyone here is a collector, at least in part.  If all we cared about were playing games, we'd have nothing but an everdrive and a pile of CDRs.

Happy Console Gamer has just uploaded a new video about this box set.
http://youtu.be/FE_up748_Z8

Quote from: NecroPhile on 09/22/2014, 11:17 AMPressed is nice, but I don't like how he charges an arm and a leg for something that costs him only a few bucks to produce.

=D&gt;

Quote from: guest on 10/19/2014, 01:15 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/22/2014, 11:17 AMPressed is nice, but I don't like how he charges an arm and a leg for something that costs him only a few bucks to produce.

=D>

Hear, hear !

While I do like the concept for this project, personally would have rather seen the money spent on getting a real english translation and publishing rights for one game.

Kaga Create owns the Faussete Armour IP along with other Naxat software titles http://www.kaga-create.co.jp/ (http://www.kaga-create.co.jp/)

Quote from: mac on 10/20/2014, 08:30 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/19/2014, 01:15 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/22/2014, 11:17 AMPressed is nice, but I don't like how he charges an arm and a leg for something that costs him only a few bucks to produce.

=D>

Hear, hear !

While I do like the concept for this project, personally would have rather seen the money spent on getting a real english translation and publishing rights for one game.

Kaga Create owns the Faussete Armour IP along with other Naxat software titles http://www.kaga-create.co.jp/ (http://www.kaga-create.co.jp/)

Bootlegging PCE games is not nearly as complex/time consuming as localizing a game (let alone securing legal permission).

(1) A mediocre graphic designer with some experience dealing with printers can easily bootleg a game.

There are a lot of folks in that pool.

VS.

(2) A team of people with the requisite skills to competently localize/translate a PCE game and issue an English-language patch?

Not too many folks can do this.

Sadly.

Quote from: esteban on 10/20/2014, 09:53 AM

Quote from: mac on 10/20/2014, 08:30 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/19/2014, 01:15 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/22/2014, 11:17 AMPressed is nice, but I don't like how he charges an arm and a leg for something that costs him only a few bucks to produce.

=D>

Hear, hear !

While I do like the concept for this project, personally would have rather seen the money spent on getting a real english translation and publishing rights for one game.

Kaga Create owns the Faussete Armour IP along with other Naxat software titles http://www.kaga-create.co.jp/ (http://www.kaga-create.co.jp/)

Bootlegging PCE games is not nearly as complex/time consuming as localizing a game (let alone securing legal permission).

(1) A mediocre graphic designer with some experience dealing with printers can easily bootleg a game.

There are a lot of folks in that pool.

VS.

(2) A team of people with the requisite skills to competently localize/translate a PCE game and issue an English-language patch?

Not too many folks can do this.

Sadly.

Exactly, I started learning more and more about programming the Turbo 18 months ago and just now can get a sprite to walk across the screen without having to reference some literature for every command lol. Much OBEY respect for the people with the knowledge and skill required.

Bootlegging is simple in comparison to the skills required for making us new games. I personally would rather see resources spent on the next Ys IV, Rondo of Blood, Xak III project. This guy is simply making a buck off others work all the while not offering anything in return content wise.

Of course this is just my opinion.. :D

...

Quote from: esadajr on 10/27/2014, 04:33 PMJust picked up mine from the forwarder last Saturday (33/100) I like the professional look. I got it on impulse (like another forum member) and I'm debating whether I should keep it.

If you were to decide to break up the set, you could tempt me with "Sylphia" :p

How is this legal? Does he have permission from the original companies that made these games?

I'm still tempted to get some. Just baffles me that he hasn't been shut down.

Hopefully these discs are made from real game discs and not rips found online. I wouldn't be happy with downgraded audio tracks.

Quote from: Keith Courage on 10/27/2014, 09:45 PMHow is this legal? Does he have permission from the original companies that made these games?

I'm still tempted to get some. Just baffles me that he hasn't been shut down.

Hopefully these discs are made from real game discs and not rips found online. I wouldn't be happy with downgraded audio tracks.

Not legal.

Just under the radar.

If any of the IP owners thought this was a threat, they'd do something...but who owns the IP now?

And how many of these will be sold? A few hundred, max?

I'm not condoning it.

GOLD COIN.

The more I think about it, the more bizarre I think it is. I mean, essentially he's marketing it as a "collector's"edition" of bootlegs. Numbered, gold coin, concept art, etc. Are we going to start seeing eBay gouging for these things?

"OMG RARE! BOOTLEG BOXED SET! #52 OF ONLY 150 EVER MADE! L@@K!"

Quote from: guest on 10/28/2014, 11:07 AMThe more I think about it, the more bizarre I think it is. I mean, essentially he's marketing it as a "collector's"edition" of bootlegs. Numbered, gold coin, concept art, etc. Are we going to start seeing eBay gouging for these things?

"OMG RARE! BOOTLEG BOXED SET! #52 OF ONLY 150 EVER MADE! L@@K!"

That's exactly what will happen.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/13/2014, 11:39 AM

Quote from: schweaty on 10/11/2014, 09:45 AMI believe that when most people say "it isnt worth the money" what they are really saying is "from a strictly gameplay standpoint, there just isnt enough game there to justify the expenditure".  a collector may be willing to overlook a bad game just for the rarety/collectibility of a game, but i dont care about them.  this is a TG16/PCE GAMERS forum, not a collectors forum.  Collectors and their subjective definitions of "worth" can go somewhere else.

Bullshit; most everyone here is a collector, at least in part.  If all we cared about were playing games, we'd have nothing but an everdrive and a pile of CDRs.

Most (many? some? a few?) of us collect games we want to play, rather than some shiny piece of shit. That's the difference inherent in schweaty's argument that you failed to grasp.

Quote from: guest on 10/28/2014, 11:31 AMMost (many? some? a few?) of us collect games we want to play, rather than some shiny piece of shit. That's the difference inherent in schweaty's argument that you failed to grasp.

Eh?  What Necromancer said, and you failed to grasp, is that if you want to play you don't need to collect anything at all.

I'll never understand the worldview of "I buy games to play them".  At this point the acquisition of vintage game media can be completely separated from actually playing the games.  Everdrives and CDRs can provide all the games on the platform.

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/28/2014, 02:49 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/28/2014, 11:31 AMMost (many? some? a few?) of us collect games we want to play, rather than some shiny piece of shit. That's the difference inherent in schweaty's argument that you failed to grasp.

Eh?  What Necromancer said, and you failed to grasp, is that if you want to play you don't need to collect anything at all.

I'll never understand the worldview of "I buy games to play them".  At this point the acquisition of vintage game media can be completely separated from actually playing the games.  Everdrives and CDRs can provide all the games on the platform.

Not true for me.  If I have a cdr of a game that I am playing it kinda makes me feel like I'm using roms on an emulator.  Sort of gives me an empty feeling cause I know I don't technically own it.  Same goes for an everdrive.

Quote from: geise on 10/28/2014, 03:30 PMNot true for me.  If I have a cdr of a game that I am playing it kinda makes me feel like I'm using roms on an emulator.  Sort of gives me an empty feeling cause I know I don't technically own it.  Same goes for an everdrive. 

I wrote a post about this a while back if you're curious (I have already linked it in this thread, but here it is again) that briefly addresses this ("some people can't enjoy ROMS for various reasons"): https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769))

I totally know exactly what you mean, I have a similar issue.  Being paralyzed by choice is part of my problem when seeing a million ROMs on my everdrive.  I've heard of other people feeling the same way.  But it's a personal problem that is possible to overcome and has nothing to do with the availability of the game for you to play.  There are lots of people who don't have this issue, too.

Responding to "just play a ROM" with "I can't, it doesn't feel the same to me!" is not unreasonable, but is hardly a refutation of the point that you don't have to own the game to play it.

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/28/2014, 04:17 PM

Quote from: geise on 10/28/2014, 03:30 PMNot true for me.  If I have a cdr of a game that I am playing it kinda makes me feel like I'm using roms on an emulator.  Sort of gives me an empty feeling cause I know I don't technically own it.  Same goes for an everdrive. 

I wrote a post about this a while back if you're curious (I have already linked it in this thread, but here it is again) that briefly addresses this ("some people can't enjoy ROMS for various reasons"): https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769))

I totally know exactly what you mean, I have a similar issue.  Being paralyzed by choice is part of my problem when seeing a million ROMs on my everdrive.  I've heard of other people feeling the same way.  But it's a personal problem that is possible to overcome and has nothing to do with the availability of the game for you to play.  There are lots of people who don't have this issue, too.

Responding to "just play a ROM" with "I can't, it doesn't feel the same to me!" is not unreasonable, but is hardly a refutation of the point that you don't have to own the game to play it.

When you went to the arcade you didn't own the game then, but you still put your money in & played it happily & the was plenty of choose there too.

Quote from: Nighttrate on 10/31/2014, 05:07 PM

Quote from: Lochlan on 10/28/2014, 04:17 PM

Quote from: geise on 10/28/2014, 03:30 PMNot true for me.  If I have a cdr of a game that I am playing it kinda makes me feel like I'm using roms on an emulator.  Sort of gives me an empty feeling cause I know I don't technically own it.  Same goes for an everdrive. 

I wrote a post about this a while back if you're curious (I have already linked it in this thread, but here it is again) that briefly addresses this ("some people can't enjoy ROMS for various reasons"): https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=17248.msg357769#msg357769))

I totally know exactly what you mean, I have a similar issue.  Being paralyzed by choice is part of my problem when seeing a million ROMs on my everdrive.  I've heard of other people feeling the same way.  But it's a personal problem that is possible to overcome and has nothing to do with the availability of the game for you to play.  There are lots of people who don't have this issue, too.

Responding to "just play a ROM" with "I can't, it doesn't feel the same to me!" is not unreasonable, but is hardly a refutation of the point that you don't have to own the game to play it.

When you went to the arcade you didn't own the game then, but you still put your money in & played it happily & the was plenty of choose there too.

...and back then, it was probably a chinese boot you were playing.

Looks like Toby got the printing press going again:

https://pceworks.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/caravan-battle-stage/

(https://pceworks.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/caravan_battle_stage_5.jpg)

Don't forget more "limited edition" coins (https://pceworks.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/new-limited-ed-coins/#more-650)...

(https://pceworks.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/star_parodier_coin_banner.jpg)

... and Bomberman (https://pceworks.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/free-bombs).

(https://pceworks.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/bomberman_banner.jpg)

What's the point of putting a <1meg HuCard demo on CD unless they hacked in redbook arranged music and some kind of cinematics?

Yeah I agree, the Gunhed, and Bomberman releases seem really really pointless.

I give it a week before pictures of these on some guy's living room floor start popping up on the Facebook groups.

Quote from: guest on 10/19/2016, 04:03 PMDon't forget more "limited edition" coins (https://pceworks.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/new-limited-ed-coins/#more-650)...

(https://pceworks.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/star_parodier_coin_banner.jpg)

While pirating games for profit is pretty crummy, especially when it directly affects this community, those Star Parodier coins are pretty slick. I'm not going to try to get one from the guy, but if I saw one of those at a video game shop or something, I'd totally geek out over it.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/19/2016, 04:03 PMDon't forget more "limited edition" coins (https://pceworks.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/new-limited-ed-coins/#more-650)...

(https://pceworks.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/star_parodier_coin_banner.jpg)

... and Bomberman (https://pceworks.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/free-bombs).

(https://pceworks.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/bomberman_banner.jpg)

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Quote from: guest on 11/15/2016, 10:58 PM/vtwDUim.jpg

¡¡Jesuschristo!!

:)

That comic was epic a good laugh to start the day.  Well played sir :D

Haha!

Heh, Johnny Turbias butt rape.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 11/16/2016, 10:43 AMHeh, Johnny Turbias butt rape.

I added nothing that wasn't implied in the original Johnny Turbo comic... :lol:

Hilarious!

Always wondered this...

PCEWorks made a standalone version of Force Gear (Caravan shooter) from Tokimeki Memorial. Is it possible to find an ISO of this online?

Quote from: guest on 11/16/2016, 08:48 PMAlways wondered this...

PCEWorks made a standalone version of Force Gear (Caravan shooter) from Tokimeki Memorial. Is it possible to find an ISO of this online?

I know. I want to play Force Gear. I don't want to play Tokimeki Memorial.

Been wondering the same thing!

Same here.  Surely someone's has ripped 'em (and Cychorider too, even though it's easily accessed from the title screen).

and a Twin Bee Returns ISO ;)
Shameless piracy of shameless pirates has got to be legit?!?

peeps prolly woulda shared this stuf here a while ago if it wasnt for that ISO rule around these parts. Jus saiyannn  O:)

Quote from: Sarumaru on 11/17/2016, 12:33 PMpeeps prolly woulda shared this stuf here a while ago if it wasnt for that ISO rule around these parts. Jus saiyannn  O:)

I can't wait to pirate Henshin Engine ISO once I finally get my copy! -"For the Love"

Quote from: Sarumaru on 11/17/2016, 12:33 PMpeeps prolly woulda shared this stuf here a while ago if it wasnt for that ISO rule around these parts. Jus saiyannn  O:)

There's no shortage of peeps sharing ISOs and ROMs, it's just not public.

Not those cut n shut releases tho. Maybe because no one has actually bought any lol