so i know several former collectors who have been burned/burned out on the whole retro gaming thing, but I'd like to hear the forum's opinion here.
myself included.
i recently sold nearly all of my genny/snes/n64 stuff, along with some chunks of the rest of my library.
BUT
i don't miss it.
at all.
i feel like too much of my life has been defined my my affinity for retro games over the past 5 years or so.
honestly, it's kind of freeing.
i have no less appreciation for the old stuff, but i can always go back and play that on my pc.
plus, even aside from the material tie downs, I no longer have any motivation to deal with the collectard crowd.
am I alone here?
Quote from: bartre on 10/01/2015, 04:29 AMi don't miss it.
at all.
This is a good thing. A very good thing.
The word you're searching for is "liberated".
I've been there. It's a nice place. :)
I used to have a library, but I have been emulating the past few years.
Game prices will only continue to rise, and I will need to have good saving habits for college.
I can't justify paying hundreds for games I can get for free or much less on the Wii VC.
I still have an n64, but I don't play it much.
Well, it wasn't a choice, but a necessity, for me to be on a strict budget the past decade (growing family), so I have only purchased a handful of games over the past decade.
I am glad this happened, because it allowed me to spend more time playing all the games I already have (which is a lot). I have "lent" some things to friends/family over the years, but at this point I realize I have, in effect, given the items away.
I still need to trim away some more games that I know I will rarely play, since my time is limited (turn-based RPG's).
My free time over the past four years has been extremely limited (my twins are 4, coincidentally), and my 11 year old is gonna be going to college soon (time is flying by).
But, to bring this back on point, when I was unwilling to pick up Sylphia for $70 many years ago, I realized that $$$ was going to become a factor in my pursuits. Needless to say, I never imagined how ridiculous it would get with some games.
Over the past year or so I have "cut the fat" but not considered selling everything I own. I try to own just my personal favorite games for each console but it seems my tastes do change a bit over time and every month or so I go through my stuff and prune a few things out.
I am completely burned out on regularly "hunting" for games. Luckily I have built up many friendships along the way and always have good sources to buy and trade from. I find it much more satisfying to pay or trade something to someone I know or like and I don't have to drive all over the world to do it. Retail pricing has gotten to the point that I rarely walk into a "gamestore" because I take a look at some prices and just shake my head.
I'm with Desh. I decided a few years ago to only collect what I want to play and nothing more. Even some consoles had to go (Xbox, DS, anything newer than the PS2 except GameCube library and a Wii). These days I'm really only after those high ticket items, which I use some money saved up for it every couple of months or so.
I still browse the forums for deals, but I actively look for anything.
It's never been a retro thing for me. It always has been "These are good games that I want to play." thing. I never stopped playing them so I never had to "come back" and get that nostalgia bullshit collectors talk about. I just want to get some games that I did let go of cause of either needing money or trading. Finding good prices now is tiring, and I have really come to just play what I have and not buy much of anything new.
BTW I don't know why this is fighting street.
Tires are too expensive to waste on silly burnouts. :mrgreen:
I wouldn't say I'm burnt out on games at all; it's business as usual in robot hell! I think it helps that my collection was steadily built over decades, I actually play my stuff (however slowly), and I'm not hell bent on any certain goals (like a complete set). The latter is a killer for some peeps, where they work so hard to acquire _______ then are bummed out when they realize it's pretty much a meaningless accomplishment.
Quote from: geise on 10/01/2015, 10:03 AMBTW I don't know why this is fighting street.
Because fuck you.
I agree with pretty much everyone here on most points. I collect but I open up and play everything eventually. I didn't really burn out per say, but the flame got kinda low a couple times for various reasons. I have always had either a TG-16 or a Duo (since '89) and some games, I never let them go, but there were periods of my life where I was either busy with something else or focused on a different console (I have always kept up with the new generations) for a while. There are hundreds of TG/PCE games if you include imports, so I've always had a lot of games I didn't get to play yet just in the obey library alone. So I'm taking another stab at getting some of the ones I wanted most (slowly), and also reacquiring the ones I stupidly sold and traded years ago (I know now that was a poor trade, but I traded those games to be able to afford another PCE Super CD game at the time, so there's that at least.) I've also had a couple games stolen from me that were near and dear to my heart I would like to replace. Since then (I was 13 or 14) my policy has been not to sell games, particularly obey. My "collection," which is probably better described as a small, concise library, has always just been games I was really interested in, genres I was really interested in, games I think are gems, and games that are special to me in some other way. I don't have aspirations to completely obtain any game libraries either, I just want my personal cream of the crop. Right now I think most of what I own fits on two bookshelf shelves, not including my consoles which are put away. There's maybe 200 games split between all of my consoles. I think I would be upset to lose them, I'm sure, but I can understand the freedom you feel in getting away from the whole thing. And with the surge of interest and rising value of old games, any of us could be robbed any day. That's a reality I have to face, and because of it I don't wanna invest too heavily in getting any one particular game. Even still, I have many good games now that would be prohibitively expensive to replace if something did happen to them.
Anyway, my convoluted monologue above is just to say "just roll with it." Can't take it too seriously, but I do love it even if there is less time for it these days. I'm glad to have a good community here I can talk to and trade with for it. #huggingstreet
Quote from: bartre on 10/01/2015, 04:29 AMso i know several former collectors who have been burned/burned out on the whole retro gaming thing, but I'd like to hear the forum's opinion here.
myself included.
i recently sold nearly all of my genny/snes/n64 stuff, along with some chunks of the rest of my library.
BUT
i don't miss it.
at all.
i feel like too much of my life has been defined my my affinity for retro games over the past 5 years or so.
honestly, it's kind of freeing.
i have no less appreciation for the old stuff, but i can always go back and play that on my pc.
plus, even aside from the material tie downs, I no longer have any motivation to deal with the collectard crowd.
am I alone here?
Isn't this what a bunch of assholes like me have been telling you for some time?
I only collect what I want to play. I have no desire for a 100% complete collection or collecting a garbage game because it's the cool thing to do, makes the whole process a lot more satisfying...
I just started collecting some FEKA as I skipped a bunch when I wan younger, some good stuff in there, despite the lack of color and tin can sound the damn Genny produces.
It is kind of important for me personally to have a GIANT game library with way too many consoles in my house just for the purpose of running a couple minor game gathering/cons throughout the year and for supplying consoles for events like MGC. So, I keep all this just to share with others anyway. :)
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I've often thought about this too. I sold off nearly everything I had back in 2008. I felt GREAT about not having to lug all my boxes around when I wanted to play something and just stuck to emulation for about 2 years. However slowly but surely things just kept falling back into my lap over the years. "Busted TG-16" from MGC w/ extras - Sega CD set complete at a garage sale - Neo Geo CD from a buddy that got lost in the mail... :( etc etc Now I've amassed a game library that dwarfs my original "collection" from back in the day. I just keep an eye on craigslist and thrifty stores so no major investments from me. Sometimes I think about just giving it back to the community and I'm not even sure I would be sad if I really needed to do a fire sale of everything. Probably some decent cash in all this stuff. :)
Sort of like catch and release?
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/02/2015, 02:30 PMSort of like catch and release?
As a master baiter, I wholehartedly approve of this analogy. :mrgreen:
I generally only have
1) Stuff I got as a kid when it was new, because I rarely get rid of stuff
2) Things I bought that I missed out on (imports), but ones I will ACTUALLY PLAY
3) a limited selection of oddities that I may have paid sort of stupidly for, but they are generally important to me.
like, Little Samson for NES? Who gives a fuck. I'm not paying for that retarded crap.
Boxed Toshiba MSX like the one from the commercial? Yep.
but, I actually use the thing and PLAY IT.
If I don't play it, it goes away.
Exceptions to the rule are things defined in point #1 basically.
I haven't played my childhood copy of kid icarus in like 6 years, but I am not going to hock it.
Spare consoles? Go. This now also includes my spare PCE stuff.
I was using the multiples to setup 3 machines at CCAG/etc.
but now, I do not bother. I bring one thing. So, all the spare things went away.
The end result is more shelf space for JPop sluts.
Fortunately, I'm a very "slow roll collector," I don't see myself as acquiring a collection, but take the opportunity to obtain games I want to play when I see the right price.
Seems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat. I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it. I only want to keep what will get used, and no more...
I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game. WTF??? I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon. I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.
I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...
Quote from: Lost Monkey on 10/03/2015, 10:34 AMSeems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat. I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it. I only want to keep what will get used, and no more...
I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game. WTF??? I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon. I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.
I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...
Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...
I collect. I like having the stuff around, BUt I was never 100% roar collect the rarz. have a really cool big librararbarbbry or anything. I just started grabing games I wanted to play, stuff I couldn't get as a kid or didn't. I've got a bunch of consoles and a small amount of games and mostly everdrives drives. Maybe I'll part with my stuff one day, but for now it's all fun, and if it stops being fun, away it goes.
I don't see myself not having a game room as time goes on, I just like the stuff to much, and I rarely throw away get rid of things. BUt I don't worry myself over never getting magical chase, I'll be the first to admit, if I had one I'd sell it on ebay, no questions asked. I think the key is to keeping it fun. WHenever the collectards get to me, I just sit down and play games, any games, all games. and let them miss the point while I enjoy what I can.
Quote from: Dicer on 10/05/2015, 10:08 PMQuote from: Lost Monkey on 10/03/2015, 10:34 AMSeems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat. I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it. I only want to keep what will get used, and no more...
I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game. WTF??? I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon. I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.
I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...
Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...
What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
I don't try to eat something bigger than my mouth. Since I'm basically starting from zero I have few games but I don't really mind, since I barely have time for them, I don't want/need extra games collecting dust. Buy, enjoy, obey, repeat, with the occasional review.
I got rid of maybe 50% of the various games I had since I was a kid after my wife lost her job and the stuff I had seemed to be worth money to some people.
I put a broken US snesss on ebay only expecting a few pounds and it went for over £100. Crazy. Now she has a job again there are a few things I would like to have again. I miss my resident evils but prices are crazy on those too.
Such is life.
Quote from: guest on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMWhat greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
That's an argument I'll never understand. Who cares if it's an exclusive? Either a game is fun or it isn't.
Quote from: guest on 10/06/2015, 10:02 AMQuote from: guest on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMWhat greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
That's an argument I'll never understand. Who cares if it's an exclusive? Either a game is fun or it isn't.
I think this is so often brought up when attacking a system because it calls out the value of a system's library after it's been stripped of games that can be played without purchasing this system. In his argument he's saying that those games are playable in other places, so he does not think that they add to the value of owning the system.
I also enjoy owning as many ports of a game as possible, to see how the developers tackled the various hurdles and prowess's of the target platforms.
Quote from: guest on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMQuote from: Dicer on 10/05/2015, 10:08 PMQuote from: Lost Monkey on 10/03/2015, 10:34 AMSeems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat. I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it. I only want to keep what will get used, and no more...
I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game. WTF??? I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon. I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.
I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...
Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...
What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
Flip Out! on the Atari Jaguar.
Flip. Fucking. Out!
It'll change your life forever.
Quote from: o.pwuaioc on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMQuote from: Dicer on 10/05/2015, 10:08 PMQuote from: Lost Monkey on 10/03/2015, 10:34 AMSeems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat. I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it. I only want to keep what will get used, and no more...
I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game. WTF??? I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon. I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.
I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...
Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...
What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
T2k jag is the best of the bunch as is Rayman arguably... Power drive rally is fantastic, Defender 2000 is awesome. Ultra Vortek was a fun exclusive of its day and age, and I enjoy some missle command 3D
The system has some goodies, just accept it
libera me
I have totally experienced this. When I really sat down and looked and my video gaming habits I realized a few things.
1. I play the same games over and over again. I will tend to replay a game I love rather than pick up a brand new one and play. I have played through games like Skies of Arcadia, Xcom (PC) and others mutliple times each. Once in a while I'll try a new game and be pleasantly surprised (Lunar 2 and Mario 3D world come to mind) But all in all I play the same stuff.
2. I only really hold affinity for a handful of games. Everything else is just stuff.
What I concluded is that for me to be a happy gamer I really dont need an enormous library but rather one that consists of just the stuff I really like and play. So that's been my metric for the library. Games I play or games that have nostalgic / historical significance to me stay. Everything else really needs to go.
It is liberating as some have said.
I will also say that the whole environment of the retro game scene has changed a lot in the last few years. As prices have skyrocketed and this new breed of pokemon style collectors have shown up the whole scene is just ridiculous now. Add in crazy priced repros and things like the Retro VGS and I have to same I dont want to be a part of that scene anymore. I know I'm not alone in this. I have to say the collectards have won. They wanted it all so fuck it, let them have it all. I'm tired of fighting against them. I'll enjoy what I've got and choose to be happy with it.
Good points, Beamer.
Quote from: Dicer on 10/06/2015, 02:02 PMQuote from: o.pwuaioc on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMQuote from: Dicer on 10/05/2015, 10:08 PMQuote from: Lost Monkey on 10/03/2015, 10:34 AMSeems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat. I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it. I only want to keep what will get used, and no more...
I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game. WTF??? I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon. I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.
I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...
Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...
What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
T2k jag is the best of the bunch as is Rayman arguably... Power drive rally is fantastic, Defender 2000 is awesome. Ultra Vortek was a fun exclusive of its day and age, and I enjoy some missle command 3D
The system has some goodies, just accept it
Definitely agree about T2K on the Jag - it is the best. It was tweaked and fine tuned by Jeff Minter - the ports were not and it shows. They do not have the same feel, even if they run smoother.
Quote from: guest on 10/06/2015, 10:02 AMQuote from: guest on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMWhat greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
That's an argument I'll never understand. Who cares if it's an exclusive? Either a game is fun or it isn't.
I see what you are saying, but if all best Jag games are slightly worse versions of games other systems have, other systems like PlayStation and Saturn that also have about a hundred games each that are better than anything on Jag, then it does seem pretty fucking pointless to even have a Jag around...unless you just love that terrific controller or something.
And yeah yeah, AVP, AVP, whatever.
PS/Saturn users: list with literal hundreds of good games
Jaguar users: but, but... tempest... alien vs predator...
Because saying 'I enjoy a handful of Jag games' is synonymous with 'Jagwire is teh bestest system evah and totally pwns the PS and Saturn! Do the math, bitches!!!'? You guys crack me up.
Quote from: guest on 10/06/2015, 08:09 PMBecause saying 'I enjoy a handful of Jag games' is synonymous with 'Jagwire is teh bestest system evah and totally pwns the PS and Saturn! Do the math, bitches!!!'? You guys crack me up.
It has long been established that the Jaguar is toxic to rational thought. Look at Mike Kennedy.
Ha!
SoCalMike was toxic long before Jaguar.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/06/2015, 07:19 PMQuote from: NecroPhile on 10/06/2015, 10:02 AMQuote from: guest on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMWhat greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
That's an argument I'll never understand. Who cares if it's an exclusive? Either a game is fun or it isn't.
I see what you are saying, but if all best Jag games are slightly worse versions of games other systems have, other systems like PlayStation and Saturn that also have about a hundred games each that are better than anything on Jag, then it does seem pretty fucking pointless to even have a Jag around...unless you just love that terrific controller or something.
And yeah yeah, AVP, AVP, whatever.
This is exactly my point. AVP is way overrated. And the games I listed might be good, but it's not worth getting when I would just be playing a slightly shittier version of games I already own elsewhere. Why bother? Playing yet another slog of Rayman when it doesn't offer anything unique to the experience. I could be hunting for another PCE game I hadn't heard of and never played.
AVP is not a great game.
Quote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 12:04 AMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 10/06/2015, 07:19 PMQuote from: guest on 10/06/2015, 10:02 AMQuote from: guest on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMWhat greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
That's an argument I'll never understand. Who cares if it's an exclusive? Either a game is fun or it isn't.
I see what you are saying, but if all best Jag games are slightly worse versions of games other systems have, other systems like PlayStation and Saturn that also have about a hundred games each that are better than anything on Jag, then it does seem pretty fucking pointless to even have a Jag around...unless you just love that terrific controller or something.
And yeah yeah, AVP, AVP, whatever.
This is exactly my point. AVP is way overrated. And the games I listed might be good, but it's not worth getting when I would just be playing a slightly shittier version of games I already own elsewhere. Why bother? Playing yet another slog of Rayman when it doesn't offer anything unique to the experience. I could be hunting for another PCE game I hadn't heard of and never played.
AVP is not a great game.
If you put games like AVP on a time-line and see when it was released compared to similar games that are "better", you would see that it was released pretty early on. In that sense, I would agree that it was pretty freaking cool for the time...
I will also admit that I really liked the atmosphere in AVP much better than the Saturn and PSX Alien Trilogy game - but didn't find either to be much fun.
Jag also had ATTACK OF THE MUTANT MUTHER FUGGIN PENGUINS...
So suck it!
Quote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 07:59 AMAVP blew my mind back in the day... and I have NEVER cared for FPS games. AVP didn't age all that well, but it was an awesome experience for the time period like senor Monkey de Losto points out.
Next to Silent Debuggers, nothing tops the suspense and "oh shit" factor of hearing a cloaked predator clicking or whispering.
I would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day. Anyone who doesn't agree is a french whore with lengthy armpit hair.
Picking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.
Quote from: Gredler on 10/07/2015, 11:42 AMQuote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 07:59 AMAVP blew my mind back in the day... and I have NEVER cared for FPS games. AVP didn't age all that well, but it was an awesome experience for the time period like senor Monkey de Losto points out.
Next to Silent Debuggers, nothing tops the suspense and "oh shit" factor of hearing a cloaked predator clicking or whispering.
I would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day. Anyone who doesn't agree is a french whore with lengthy armpit hair.
Picking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.
Agreed with everyone. I grab games I've either always wanted to play or games that hold special meaning to me these days. I got carried away years ago, but I've slowly (
slowly) started selling off or trading stuff to people and dramatically shrinking down my collection. Fuck it's been hard parting with some of this shit though.
AVP has been the only game I've kept from my Jag collection though, just because I always wanted it as a kid. Nothing else really grabbed me that I couldn't have elsewhere. I'd take Sin & Punishment on N64 over anything else I've played on the Jags though.
Quote from: Gredler on 10/07/2015, 11:42 AMQuote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 07:59 AMAVP blew my mind back in the day... and I have NEVER cared for FPS games. AVP didn't age all that well, but it was an awesome experience for the time period like senor Monkey de Losto points out.
Next to Silent Debuggers, nothing tops the suspense and "oh shit" factor of hearing a cloaked predator clicking or whispering.
I would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day. Anyone who doesn't agree is a french whore with lengthy armpit hair.
Picking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.
I'd pick jag too, give me crystal clear flat shaded polys over muddy Vaseline fog shit any day of the week...
Jag was good kit that never to put to really good use, and it's a damned shame.
Topics like these remind me that an Everdrive (both Mega and Turbo) might be very wise investments.
Quote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 07:59 AMI would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day.
Quote from: Gredler on 10/07/2015, 11:42 AMPicking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.
Quote from: Dicer on 10/07/2015, 02:28 PMk jag too, give me crystal clear flat shaded polys over muddy Vaseline fog shit any day of the week...
I know this is a spam forum but that doesn't mean everyone has to be so wrong all the time. :? It's hard enough to read posts praising Pack In Video games and Dynastic Hero > Wonder Boy V: MW3 in the "normal" topics.
If you played Doom or Wolfenstein 3D before AvP (since they were released first), then AvP would not have seemed so great. Yeah, it was early, but it was still only mediocre.
If I had to choose between N64 or Jaguar and nothing else, it would be a toughie. But given that the Jaguar is redundant, give me the N64 any day.
I am not a fan of the N64, at all. Never owned one, and I think it's the worst console Nintendo ever made, just IMO of course. I loved the Gamecube, which I think was next in line, right? I did play the Jag, and think Tempest 2000 is reason enough to own one. However, in the desert island scenario, I'd probably have to pick the N64 over the Jag just for the library size alone. That's the only reason, really. I just think you could have more variety with the entire N64 Library at your disposal than with the Jag's library, despite a couple great games.
If Master System can go from market loser to later under appreciated gem, surely the N64 can, too.
They are both systems that I have come to appreciate, particularly after informed testimony from their respective fans.
Surely Turbografx-16 fans can understand that.
I'm not a big nes fan, but I definitely do not care for the master system.
Black Tiger once said the master system has a magical quality that the nes doesn't have. Personally, I think it's just nostalgia.
There's a few master system games I like but nothing I really think is outstanding.
Even wonder boy III is better on the Turbo.
Quote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 03:00 PMI'm not a big nes fan, but I definitely do not care for the master system.
Black Tiger once said the master system has a magical quality that the nes doesn't have. Personally, I think it's just nostalgia.
There's a few master system games I like but nothing I really think is outstanding.
Even wonder boy III is better on the Turbo.
To be fair, SMS has significantly better color and sound, and a lot of classics that were simply not possible on NES. Play fantasy star and compare it to Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy. And there is no Cyborg Hunter on NES, so I would defend BT's "magical quality" argument all day :)
Edit: Also, N64 is garbage, garbage that is almost as hot as the Jaguar, almost.
Master System definitely does not have better sound than NES.
That's even if you count the FM module, it turns the sound effects into robot farts.
Quote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 02:38 PMIf you played Doom or Wolfenstein 3D before AvP (since they were released first), then AvP would not have seemed so great. Yeah, it was early, but it was still only mediocre.
If I had to choose between N64 or Jaguar and nothing else, it would be a toughie. But given that the Jaguar is redundant, give me the N64 any day.
Except it's not redundant...
Debatable, for sure, I would hardly call it definite.
Quote from: Gentlegamer on 10/07/2015, 06:03 PMMaster System definitely does not have better sound than NES.
That's even if you count the FM module, it turns the sound effects into robot farQuote from: Gentlegamer on 10/07/2015, 06:03 PMMaster System definitely does not have better sound than NES.
That's even if you count the FM module, it turns the sound effects into robot farts.
I am so in the minority in my love for the N64... I really don't think it deserves all the hate it gets. Despite the fog issues it did do pretty smooth workable 3d at a time when console 3d was pretty weak. Early Saturn and PS1 3d were pretty atrocious in 95 and 96.
Quote from: Dicer on 10/07/2015, 06:08 PMQuote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 02:38 PMIf you played Doom or Wolfenstein 3D before AvP (since they were released first), then AvP would not have seemed so great. Yeah, it was early, but it was still only mediocre.
If I had to choose between N64 or Jaguar and nothing else, it would be a toughie. But given that the Jaguar is redundant, give me the N64 any day.
Except it's not redundant...
There is not a single game on the Jaguar that I would want to play that I cannot play elsewhere. Not one.
The system is a shitbox.
Quote from: guest on 10/08/2015, 12:42 AMQuote from: Dicer on 10/07/2015, 06:08 PMQuote from: guest on 10/07/2015, 02:38 PMIf you played Doom or Wolfenstein 3D before AvP (since they were released first), then AvP would not have seemed so great. Yeah, it was early, but it was still only mediocre.
If I had to choose between N64 or Jaguar and nothing else, it would be a toughie. But given that the Jaguar is redundant, give me the N64 any day.
Except it's not redundant...
There is not a single game on the Jaguar that I would want to play that I cannot play elsewhere. Not one.
The system is a shitbox.
I'll agree to disagree...
The SMS was my childhood console, and while I do love the PSG sound for nostalgic reasons, I have to agree that the NES had better sound with more variety.
That being said, Westone got some good results out of that sound chip, and stuff like Phantasy Star sounded great.
There really was a magic to that system though if you had it back in the day. You had to be there, so to speak.
I never burned out on collecting and playing older video games.For a time i did sell and trade for the latest console,only because i thought id played it all.Over time it's been rebuilding of what consoles i've owned before.I all ready have what i want for the famicom,pce and neo-geo mvs.I been have been buying a little here and there for snes&genesis.Still i have a everdrive for those console,so i'm not worry about having a huge collection either one.Still this back tracking is getting really old fast for me.Only because there's to much demand for older video games at the moment.
By the way i never cared for the sms i had one for a short time and sold it shortly there after.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 10/07/2015, 11:46 PMI am so in the minority in my love for the N64
Maybe in the company of contrarians clinging on to the console wars. :-k
Elsewhere this sentiment is fairly normal. I know it hurts some folks to admit that something popular is good, but either Zelda game is worth more than the entire Jaguar library put together.
Jag versus N64 is like Tromma versus Universal Pictures. I mean, the N64 totally sucks, but at least it's an actual game system. The Jag is like a 90s version of the Retro VGS. It's totally garbage league.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/10/2015, 12:11 PMJag versus N64 is like Tromma versus Universal Pictures. I mean, the N64 totally sucks, but at least it's an actual game system. The Jag is like a 90s version of the Retro VGS. It's totally garbage league.
While I disagree with the N64 totally sucking (it only partially sucks) the reverse comparison to the Retro VGS just about killed me. :lol:
Think about it!
How crazy do you have to be to make a game system in the 90s with no Japanese developer support? This was back when Street Fighter and Final Fantasy owned everything. Truely a RETRO fuckup.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/10/2015, 01:26 PMThink about it!
How crazy do you have to be to make a game system in the 90s with no Japanese developer support? This was back when Street Fighter and Final Fantasy owned everything. Truely a RETRO fuckup.
Not only that, but they had their own engineers warning them about hardware "bugs", and they made the choice to finalize it gimped as it was. This is partially what lead programmers to ignore the more powerful processors and do everything on the 68K...
Dang. Those are good points.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 10/10/2015, 12:11 PMJag versus N64 is like Tromma versus Universal Pictures. I mean, the N64 totally sucks, but at least it's an actual game system. The Jag is like a 90s version of the Retro VGS. It's totally garbage league.
Except it's not...
Quote from: john fuckin carmackThe jag has some stupid hardware for z buffering
and gouraud shading, but I can just ignore it and tell the two
27mhz risc chips to do EXACTLY what I want. A 64 bit bus with
multiple independant processors may not be the easiest thing to
optimize for, but there is a LOT of potential.
It was neat kit, that never got proper software outside a handful of titles...change history a bit and Jag would have put out properly impressive software, not cloudy smudgy low fps garbage like on that other console.
Jag>N64
You must have only played the wrong games on the N64.
I just buy games to play, I do have like 55 Games for the NES, Worth Playing..Same goes for my Genesis and my TG-16
Console with a handful of good games with 'potential' not unleashed 20 years ago vs console with more than a handful games and impressive graphics for the time hmm which one should I choose.
'cloudy smudgy low fps garbage' woah look at those SHARP GRAPHICS in club drive nigga. :lol:
JAG>MSX
Jag>SMS
JAG>N64
Jag> PCE
I'm burnt out on hating platforms
You folks have to stop hating the Jaguar.
We, of all people, should understand that there is something to appreciate in all consoles/platforms. If only for exploring some lesser-known games, there is something to be gained.
I'm serious.
That means the N64 bashing is also wearing thin.
I think that there is a fundamental difference between (1) defending a console from ridicule (aka appreciating a platform) VS. (2) bashing a platform (because you want to continue juvenile console wars, writ large).
I ALSO THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE a "Top of the Pops" approach to getting/playing games...and this is BULLSHITE, too.
Really? You're going to use Bullshit Top 10 lists to make decisions? All your decisions? Fuck you.
I'm burnt out on brainless bullshit.
Sure, check out the alleged "best" games, but if you don't organically explore a library, playing all sorts of games, you don't really love video games. You are also a pussy, afraid to try things out for yourself. And make up your own mind.
I never base all all of my decisions on the "consensus" of any given community or reviewer. I have to get dirty. And frustrated. And surprised. And happy. And disappointed. How? By trying things out for myself.
The quirky, flawed (sometimes broken) games can still provide some entertainment and can certainly be appreciated for what they are.
If you are the sort of person who only wants to watch the AAA Hollywood blockbusters, and only listen to the hipster-approved indie music, and only the nerd-approved obscurities, then so be it.
But don't act like the "Top 40" approach to gaming makes you legit, because it doesn't.
I'm burned out on folks bashing entire platforms.
Sure, you can dismiss the XaviX, but it was still fun to goof around with.
Plus, I've gotten more entertainment from XaviX, and had more fun playing it with friends and family, than you could possibly predict using "console war logic".
NOTE: for me, the Jag library is weak, but I can't deny that I have had fun exploring the library and playing its games.
PCE sucks.
NOTE: at some point this became a rant.
Honestly I think it's just become "cool" to hate on the N64. Jag > N64? You can't be serious...
Quote from: BlueBMW on 10/12/2015, 03:52 AMHonestly I think it's just become "cool" to hate on the N64. Jag > N64? You can't be serious...
I agree.
And prior to that, folks loved to hate on SNES.
The opening salvo was just to piss off people and help me emphasize that I am burnt out on the "Top 10" approach to video games/platforms.
Burnt out.
I am not arguing that the Jag is great and would win a console war.
I am defending the honor of those who genuinely explore all games, even games that aren't endorsed by hipsters, nerds, pcefx, Illuminati, Pitchfork, etc.
The best way to make this point is to piss off everyone with pro-Jaguar shot across the bow.
:)
Plus, I'm in rant-mode.
Who the fuck has time to explore the Jaguar library? Time's limited, job, family, friends, and other consoles take up way too much of my time to pay out the ridiculous amount of money it would cost to "explore" the Jaguar in depth. What I've tried on it so far was either a) better elsewhere, or b) utter tripe. That's not to say that there might be some good on it, but fuck off for saying I have to find it.
It's not hating, it's calling it like it is, and I'm burned out of people being pissed off that I don't like what they like. Why does anyone really care? Have a little light jabbing or ignore it. Who even takes this seriously anyway? So what if Dicer likes it and I don't. So what if I like the SNES and lukester doesn't. Does it really matter? It's all just opinions on the internet.
FWIW, I started the "Jag hate" by asking a simple and honest question: what great exclusives does the Jaguar have? I don't have time or patience or even desire to try out every version of Raiden. For me, a console needs to have a selling point that justifies its existence in the face of other consoles. To me, that's what the Jaguar lacks (and the only thing someone could give me to counter that was AvP, which isn't great, but was "bitd" ok to play if you were bored with Doom and Wolfenstein 3D).
Quote from: esteban on 10/12/2015, 03:51 AMWe, of all people, should understand that there is something to appreciate in all consoles/platforms. If only for exploring some lesser-known games, there is something to be gained.
I'm serious.
That means the N64 bashing is also wearing thin.
I think that there is a fundamental difference between (1) defending a console from ridicule (aka appreciating a platform) VS. (2) bashing a platform (because you want to continue juvenile console wars, writ large).
This is basically what I have posted at sega-16 in a thread about N64, how it's surprising they take issue when someone (specifically in that case ABF) defends what he thinks is an underrated system. Sega fans, of all people, ought to understand.
I don't see that any different than those who have defended SMS, or Saturn, or even... PCE.
And I say this as someone who was a bona fide N64 hater for several years. I don't hate on Jaguar, I've never had a chance to play it, though it looks to be not worth the collector prices it would take to obtain a system and its 'good' games. That's about as far as I go with it. Too bad there's no emulation for it, that I know of.
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2015, 04:14 AMWho the fuck has time to explore the Jaguar library? Time's limited, job, family, friends, and other consoles take up way too much of my time to pay out the ridiculous amount of money it would cost to "explore" the Jaguar in depth. What I've tried on it so far was either a) better elsewhere, or b) utter tripe. That's not to say that there might be some good on it, but fuck off for saying I have to find it.
It's not hating, it's calling it like it is, and I'm burned out of people being pissed off that I don't like what they like. Why does anyone really care? Have a little light jabbing or ignore it. Who even takes this seriously anyway? So what if Dicer likes it and I don't. So what if I like the SNES and lukester doesn't. Does it really matter? It's all just opinions on the internet.
FWIW, I started the "Jag hate" by asking a simple and honest question: what great exclusives does the Jaguar have? I don't have time or patience or even desire to try out every version of Raiden. For me, a console needs to have a selling point that justifies its existence in the face of other consoles. To me, that's what the Jaguar lacks (and the only thing someone could give me to counter that was AvP, which isn't great, but was "bitd" ok to play if you were bored with Doom and Wolfenstein 3D).
In the time you posted this, you could be playing the Jag.
Give it a hug and enjoy it.
:)
Also, you realize that I don't love the Jaguar, correct?
:)
And that I own and play XaviX?
I have issues.
But I don't hate the Jaguar.
:)
Quote from: Gentlegamer on 10/12/2015, 04:27 AMToo bad there's no emulation for it, that I know of.
PT (http://pt.emuunlim.com/) still around? Or is dev dead on it? Love how they called the Jag EMU
Project
Tempest because that is pretty much what anyone wants it for.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 10/12/2015, 03:52 AMHonestly I think it's just become "cool" to hate on the N64. Jag > N64? You can't be serious...
Yarr. N64 is pretty sucky compared to Saturn and PS, but it's not worse than the Jag, 3DO, Pippen, Loopy, etc.
It's okay to prefer one of the lesser systems, but do it for the right reasons. Like me and the PC-FX - I'd much rather have it than
any of its contemporaries, but I fully acknowledge that my love for it is because it's quirky and has those three important letters, not because its library/exclusives/hardware destroys the competition.
Quote from: esteban on 10/12/2015, 05:45 AMIn the time you posted this, you could be playing the Jag.
10 minutes? I guess that is all the time one would want to devote to it. ;)
"Who cares if someone like the Jag and somebody else doesn't?"
<< goes back to screaming that the Jag sucks shit and only a retard would enjoy it >>
Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/12/2015, 11:04 AM"Who cares if someone like the Jag and somebody else doesn't?"
<< goes back to screaming that the Jag sucks shit and only a retard would enjoy it >>
Oh, c'mon now. I never said only a retard would enjoy it. After I said who cares, I asked a simple question and noted that when asked earlier it went just about unanswered.
I was exaggerating for effect, but the implication is definitely there.
I suspect nobody bothered to answer your question because you've already dismissed the system, saying stuff like AvP doesn't count or that all its multiplatform games are the worst versions. Everybody knows you can't fix bias and ignorance.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/12/2015, 12:00 PMI was exaggerating for effect, but the implication is definitely there.
I suspect nobody bothered to answer your question because you've already dismissed the system, saying stuff like AvP doesn't count or that all its multiplatform games are the worst versions. Everybody knows you can't fix bias and ignorance.
I named specifics. I didn't say AvP doesn't count, I said it wasn't good. So if someone likes it, good on them! That's one. I also named specific games I thought were not the superior versions. That's not all games, maybe I'm overlooking one?
Nothing said about it so far is inspiring, though.
You also agreed with Zeta about 'all the best games', but it doesn't matter. Your claim that Tempest is inferior to its ports was enough to demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/12/2015, 12:54 PMYou also agreed with Zeta about 'all the best games', but it doesn't matter. Your claim that Tempest is inferior to its ports was enough to demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about.
You should go back and read what I actually said:
Quote from: guest on 10/05/2015, 11:41 PMWhat greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.
Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam, Zoop, Worms, Wolfenstein 3D were listed as better elsewhere. Tempest 2K was listed as "not exclusive," not "not better."
And you followed that up with "And the games I listed might be good, but it's not worth getting when I would just be playing a slightly shittier version of games I already own elsewhere." Tempest 2K is one of the games you listed, tex.
You should change your name to o.phalcon (the o is short for obsidian).
Yes, you clearly understand what I wrote more than I who actually wrote it. :roll:
Yes, I understand the English language and its proper use. I can't help it if what you type doesn't match your intent.
But don't let me stop your crusade to stop people from enjoying the Jag. They're clearly doing it wrong.
You know, you're so right. All games I ever listed automatically fall under the umbrella of "better elsewhere." So that one time I mentioned Super Mario Bros, clearly I retroactively meant that it sucked balls.
This isn't even a matter of proper English and its use. The English is proper. If anything, it was just ambiguous, but it wasn't even that. It's just you grasping for straws in your daily trolling.
People can enjoy whatever console they want to enjoy. People are also free to not enjoy them. Not sure why your thick skull can't figure that much out.
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2015, 02:49 PMYou know, you're so right. All games I ever listed automatically fall under the umbrella of "better elsewhere." So that one time I mentioned Super Mario Bros, clearly I retroactively meant that it sucked balls.
That list of Jag games was quoted within your 'better elsewhere' post; I didn't pull shit out of thin air or from unrelated posts.
Do you not understand the purpose of quoting?
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2015, 02:49 PMThis isn't even a matter of proper English and its use. The English is proper. If anything, it was just ambiguous, but it wasn't even that. It's just you grasping for straws in your daily trolling.
Black Falcons are never wrong, brah.
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2015, 02:49 PMPeople can enjoy whatever console they want to enjoy. People are also free to not enjoy them. Not sure why your thick skull can't figure that much out.
Go back and read my first response to you from this morning. Is it not obvious that I understand the point? Equally obvious is that you can't accept that others like the Jag, so you demand they prove why it's worth enjoying, and if you weren't so full of bias and outright ignorance, maybe someone would be willing to tilt at your windmill.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/12/2015, 03:27 PMGo back and read my first response to you from this morning. Is it not obvious that I understand the point? Equally obvious is that you can't accept that others like the Jag, so you demand they prove why it's worth enjoying, and if you weren't so full of bias and outright ignorance, maybe someone would be willing to tilt at your windmill.
I didn't demand anyone to prove anything. I don't give a fuck who likes what. I explained why the conversation got started. How the fuck are you so thick sometimes? How many times were you dropped as a kid?
How long ago was it that I flamed the creator of this thread because he was wasting time on a complete N64 collection? Four months, two? Was it the same guy? I can't remember.
Jaguar Raiden is an exclusive version with unique aesthetics. Whether or not anyone prefers other versions, it doesn't change the fact the Jaguar version can only be played on Jaguar.
I still play SFII' on PC Engine, even though there are technically superior versions out there and a couple that look and sound similar (unlike Jag Raiden).
The Jaguar library, like the 3DO, N64, etc, is still worthwhile. They're just less interesting to me than most consoles.
Collecting complete sets for the sake of it doesn't interest me though. I only want to try to get every Turbo game because the Turbo/PCE is more important to me than any other library and I want to document everything. But I don't expect to come close to ever getting 99% of the PCE library.
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2015, 04:01 PMI didn't demand anyone to prove anything. I don't give a fuck who likes what. I explained why the conversation got started. How the fuck are you so thick sometimes? How many times were you dropped as a kid?
Again, I was using hyperbole. You weren't literally demanding anything, but it did seem you were interested in learning why others think it's worth looking at.
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2015, 04:14 AMWho even takes this seriously anyway?
With all your f-bombs and personal attacks, apparently
you do. :lol:
Jahahajajaha.
This thread got krazee.
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2015, 04:14 AMutter tripe.
My brother loves tripe in his Pho, but I thought it was tendon not utter. Ah well, so much to learn, such little time. So busy experimenting with blurry graphic n64 games and buggy jag games to be bothered with posting in this thread.
I have entertained this idea of replacing games with everdrives ect but so far just have been ideas in my head... I did however sell fire and ice nes and valkyrie profile for ps1 so I could buy some turbo stuff... I feel that was a big move for me and so far have not felt an ounce of sellers remorse
I use everdrives now for the convenience of them. As far as physical stuff, I'm been slimming back to just the stuff that I really really like and play. On occasion I'll keep something that has specific nostalgic value that doesn't get played much.
I think collecting was a lot more fun maybe 5 to 10 years ago. You could still find stuff at garage sales. There were still used game stores to raid on weekends and they had prices worth dealing with. I think now all the more conventional sources have dried up. You're pretty much stuck with ebay and forums. Ebay is always way overpriced, forums are hit and miss. Usually its only a good price if its a buddy deal, otherwise its usually only marginally better than ebay. As a result its just no fun anymore.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 11/08/2015, 11:59 AMI use everdrives now for the convenience of them. As far as physical stuff, I'm been slimming back to just the stuff that I really really like and play. On occasion I'll keep something that has specific nostalgic value that doesn't get played much.
I think collecting was a lot more fun maybe 5 to 10 years ago. You could still find stuff at garage sales. There were still used game stores to raid on weekends and they had prices worth dealing with. I think now all the more conventional sources have dried up. You're pretty much stuck with ebay and forums. Ebay is always way overpriced, forums are hit and miss. Usually its only a good price if its a buddy deal, otherwise its usually only marginally better than ebay. As a result its just no fun anymore.
I haven't given up the faith, but I'm just about in 100% agreement here. I have no plans to pare down the collection (still enjoy having the selection I do, plus I love bringing stuff to MGC for people to play), but my acquisitions have really come to a grinding halt. I've got just about everything I could possible want or ever play in a lifetime, and I've got more important things to spend my bucks on.
Watching items on my "wishlist" double in price over the last 14 months was really kind of a turn off to the whole hobby on some levels.
I'm seriously thinking about selling 80+% of my gaming library and replacing the games with Everdrives for each console. I'm running out of space and I could really use the extra money right now. I'll still hold onto most of my Obey, but I don't have a ton of nostalgia for NES and Genesis stuff and somehow I've ended up with quite a few games for those consoles. They'd probably look better on someone else's shelf, and maybe even get played from time to time.
I remember when the Jaguar first came out. Boy did I buy into the Hype, 64 Bits?!?!?!?! Skipping 32 bits! Wow!! I remember reading all about it, it's power and potential and the return of Atari to reclaim it's Crown. Then the Games came. I remember thinking, well, it's a nice looking 16 Bit game and Cyber Morph is kinda OK but nothing too special. I remember reading the reviews and they got like 3-4 out of ten and the reviewers were always complaining that the games didn't measure up to the Bittness. The creaziest was Doom, NO MUSIC, how does that happen? Why did it happen? Did Atari really need to use the sound hardware for the Grafx? I'll never understand that.
After the system died, I picked one up brand new or for $50 and a Stack of games for $5 each. I played he shit outa Rayman and Power Drive Rally, I really tried to get into Checkered Flag but I believe it as 7 FPS and almost unplayable. Tevor Mcfur was a Joke, Cybermorph was simply too repetitive but not bad. I have AVP, never caught my interest that much. Iron Soldier was fun, still is, but when compared to PS1/Saturn Titles looked really dated. Doom was amazing, but no music.
I also bought the Jag CD, I couldn't believe how bad Blue Lightning was. I sold everything and now have most of that stuff back but rarely play it but I am happy to have a working Jag CD.
As far as collecting is going, it's getting out of hand price wise, I hope it crashes and people get over it. I am coming to the realization that Everdrives are in my future.
Quote from: guest on 11/09/2015, 08:27 PMI'm seriously thinking about selling 80+% of my gaming library and replacing the games with Everdrives for each console. I'm running out of space and I could really use the extra money right now. I'll still hold onto most of my Obey, but I don't have a ton of nostalgia for NES and Genesis stuff and somehow I've ended up with quite a few games for those consoles. They'd probably look better on someone else's shelf, and maybe even get played from time to time.
I bought everdrives and modchips for many consoles the last few years. I ended up being off work and sold a lot of my games. A lot of "How much am I going to play it?" thoughts went through my head. Quite a bit of it to people I know from the net so they went to good people.
Double post, sorry:(
Guys, since you're all praising the Jag so much answer me some stuff: was there any port planned of any Tex Murphy adventure game on the Jaguar? I could swear I saw a review/preview of one for the Jaguar, to this day I haven't found the game and I can't find the magazine anymore.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 11/08/2015, 11:59 AMI think collecting was a lot more fun maybe 5 to 10 years ago. You could still find stuff at garage sales. There were still used game stores to raid on weekends and they had prices worth dealing with. I think now all the more conventional sources have dried up. You're pretty much stuck with ebay and forums. Ebay is always way overpriced, forums are hit and miss. Usually its only a good price if its a buddy deal, otherwise its usually only marginally better than ebay. As a result its just no fun anymore.
I have to agree with you 100% there. Yesterday I went by the thrift store near my house like I occasionally do hoping to find something neat. Nothing too amazing in the case so I get ready to walk around the rest of the store and I see a guy checking out with a ton of PS1. I overheard a bit of their conversation and while the cashier said something like, "Oh Spyro! I remember that as a kid", the guy pretty much said he was just planning on reselling them all. It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and later on as I was driving home it made me think about how there really rarely is much joy in hunting out stuff for me anymore.
You used to be able to go to a garage sale or something and get a box of carts cheap and mess around with the games for a least a couple of weeks or more. Now it feels like every attempt to hit thrifts or something is a battle which makes it not much fun. At least that gives me more time to play ;)
Quote from: guest on 11/11/2015, 11:46 AMQuote from: BlueBMW on 11/08/2015, 11:59 AMI think collecting was a lot more fun maybe 5 to 10 years ago. You could still find stuff at garage sales. There were still used game stores to raid on weekends and they had prices worth dealing with. I think now all the more conventional sources have dried up. You're pretty much stuck with ebay and forums. Ebay is always way overpriced, forums are hit and miss. Usually its only a good price if its a buddy deal, otherwise its usually only marginally better than ebay. As a result its just no fun anymore.
I have to agree with you 100% there. Yesterday I went by the thrift store near my house like I occasionally do hoping to find something neat. Nothing too amazing in the case so I get ready to walk around the rest of the store and I see a guy checking out with a ton of PS1. I overheard a bit of their conversation and while the cashier said something like, "Oh Spyro! I remember that as a kid", the guy pretty much said he was just planning on reselling them all. It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and later on as I was driving home it made me think about how there really rarely is much joy in hunting out stuff for me anymore.
You used to be able to go to a garage sale or something and get a box of carts cheap and mess around with the games for a least a couple of weeks or more. Now it feels like every attempt to hit thrifts or something is a battle which makes it not much fun. At least that gives me more time to play ;)
Def agree with both of you... And value didn't hold as much water either... People would make trades based on what they actually wanted to play... If values were ten off or so eh who cared im getting an awesome game ... Now well yall know..
Quote from: guest on 11/11/2015, 11:46 AMI have to agree with you 100% there. Yesterday I went by the thrift store near my house like I occasionally do hoping to find something neat. Nothing too amazing in the case so I get ready to walk around the rest of the store and I see a guy checking out with a ton of PS1. I overheard a bit of their conversation and while the cashier said something like, "Oh Spyro! I remember that as a kid", the guy pretty much said he was just planning on reselling them all. It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and later on as I was driving home it made me think about how there really rarely is much joy in hunting out stuff for me anymore.
You used to be able to go to a garage sale or something and get a box of carts cheap and mess around with the games for a least a couple of weeks or more. Now it feels like every attempt to hit thrifts or something is a battle which makes it not much fun. At least that gives me more time to play ;)
Thrifts around me are straight garbage...even the small church-owned thrift stores know what they have so-to-speak. Local one had Sega Master System Pro Wrestling (box and cart) for $12, which tells me that even these small places are pegging their prices on eBay.
Goodwill is largely worthless, though every once in a while you'll find something halfway decent buried in the electronics rack. I recently found an Amiga CRT in box at one, but that was a complete fluke and about the only good find I've had there in 5+ years. It's not even worth the trouble anymore.
Quote from: guest on 11/11/2015, 11:46 AMQuote from: BlueBMW on 11/08/2015, 11:59 AMI think collecting was a lot more fun maybe 5 to 10 years ago. You could still find stuff at garage sales. There were still used game stores to raid on weekends and they had prices worth dealing with. I think now all the more conventional sources have dried up. You're pretty much stuck with ebay and forums. Ebay is always way overpriced, forums are hit and miss. Usually its only a good price if its a buddy deal, otherwise its usually only marginally better than ebay. As a result its just no fun anymore.
I have to agree with you 100% there. Yesterday I went by the thrift store near my house like I occasionally do hoping to find something neat. Nothing too amazing in the case so I get ready to walk around the rest of the store and I see a guy checking out with a ton of PS1. I overheard a bit of their conversation and while the cashier said something like, "Oh Spyro! I remember that as a kid", the guy pretty much said he was just planning on reselling them all. It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and later on as I was driving home it made me think about how there really rarely is much joy in hunting out stuff for me anymore.
You used to be able to go to a garage sale or something and get a box of carts cheap and mess around with the games for a least a couple of weeks or more. Now it feels like every attempt to hit thrifts or something is a battle which makes it not much fun. At least that gives me more time to play ;)
Pretty much the same story in my area. There is a huge flea market every Saturday near me that will sometimes have games but it's getting harder and harder to find things. I know of some resellers who just skim the whole market looking for games to resell. I've overheard conversations like "I already swept this whole place" while I'm arriving at 8am... Makes it not even feel worth it. I still pop in ever once in a while but with the cold weather coming meh... There is one guy at the market who always has consoles and games for sale- same ones in the bins every single week- because he wants $100 for a genesis... It's ridiculous...
As far a local stores... Don't expect prices better than ebay. In fact expect worse. Some store owners are just plain shady or don't care about video games at all. I think that is what gripes me the most are people who are into the 'hobby' just for the cash and have no actual passion for video games. Even more painful is when they try and pretend they aren't just crackheads, etc...
I've pretty much relegated to just dealing with people on facebook or buying things on the cheaper side on ebay if 'deals' ever pop up. It's not a race though, there is no 'end goal' just casually picking up games.
Everdrives are gold.
Competition is tough these days. I just pick up what I can when I find a good deal, knowing I'll never get everything from my want list. I'll emulate or use an Everdrive to play the rest, and even that is no big deal because it's just one big black hole of a backlog having access to every game ever made all at once. Between my real games, emulation/flashcarts, and my Steam library, I am already hopelessly behind. I used to pick up games I had a passing interest in - now I just try to focus on stuff I definitely intend to play. That extends to my Steam library as well, so much stuff in there I'll never get to. Once you get totally overwhelmed you naturally come to this conclusion, there just isn't enough time to play every game ever made!
Quote from: johnnykonami on 11/18/2015, 01:05 PMCompetition is tough these days. I just pick up what I can when I find a good deal, knowing I'll never get everything from my want list. I'll emulate or use an Everdrive to play the rest, and even that is no big deal because it's just one big black hole of a backlog having access to every game ever made all at once. Between my real games, emulation/flashcarts, and my Steam library, I am already hopelessly behind. I used to pick up games I had a passing interest in - now I just try to focus on stuff I definitely intend to play. That extends to my Steam library as well, so much stuff in there I'll never get to. Once you get totally overwhelmed you naturally come to this conclusion, there just isn't enough time to play every game ever made!
The way market is now the everdrive is you're friend.
Quote from: TR0N on 11/19/2015, 03:07 AMQuote from: johnnykonami on 11/18/2015, 01:05 PMCompetition is tough these days. I just pick up what I can when I find a good deal, knowing I'll never get everything from my want list. I'll emulate or use an Everdrive to play the rest, and even that is no big deal because it's just one big black hole of a backlog having access to every game ever made all at once. Between my real games, emulation/flashcarts, and my Steam library, I am already hopelessly behind. I used to pick up games I had a passing interest in - now I just try to focus on stuff I definitely intend to play. That extends to my Steam library as well, so much stuff in there I'll never get to. Once you get totally overwhelmed you naturally come to this conclusion, there just isn't enough time to play every game ever made!
The way market is now the everdrive is you're friend.
I like to think of the Everdrive as step 7 in the collectard recovery program. I don't think I'm quite at step 7 yet as I still love to pick up real games on the cheap, but I am definitely picking one up in the future.
Quote from: johnnykonami on 11/19/2015, 12:21 PMQuote from: TR0N on 11/19/2015, 03:07 AMQuote from: johnnykonami on 11/18/2015, 01:05 PMCompetition is tough these days. I just pick up what I can when I find a good deal, knowing I'll never get everything from my want list. I'll emulate or use an Everdrive to play the rest, and even that is no big deal because it's just one big black hole of a backlog having access to every game ever made all at once. Between my real games, emulation/flashcarts, and my Steam library, I am already hopelessly behind. I used to pick up games I had a passing interest in - now I just try to focus on stuff I definitely intend to play. That extends to my Steam library as well, so much stuff in there I'll never get to. Once you get totally overwhelmed you naturally come to this conclusion, there just isn't enough time to play every game ever made!
The way market is now the everdrive is you're friend.
I like to think of the Everdrive as step 7 in the collectard recovery program. I don't think I'm quite at step 7 yet as I still love to pick up real games on the cheap, but I am definitely picking one up in the future.
There's been times i though about selling my hucard collection and switch over to a everdrive.Still it took me years to buy what i wanted,it be a waste for me.Unless i was in financial trouble then i would.Still i've manage to avoid that pesky collectard syndrome by not buying ever game for said console.
Quote from: TR0N on 11/20/2015, 04:53 AMnot buying ever game for said console.
Dear god,
this. I just can't understand the willful shutdown of mental faculties needed to even entertain the notion of "completionism."
Quote from: guest on 11/22/2015, 11:21 PMQuote from: TR0N on 11/20/2015, 04:53 AMnot buying ever game for said console.
Dear god, this. I just can't understand the willful shutdown of mental faculties needed to even entertain the notion of "completionism."
Got me like how some people have to collect every nes game out there.Granted,has plenty of good games for it all ready but there are plenty of bad ones as well.I find it a waste to have the crappy games in said collection just for the completeness.
Relevant? I'm not sure:
http://youtu.be/wkrG8dU3vBQ
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2015, 05:24 PMRelevant? I'm not sure:
http://youtu.be/wkrG8dU3vBQ
He was playing Air Zonk at 1:28.. what do I win!??!?!
Quote from: guest on 12/04/2015, 05:24 PMRelevant? I'm not sure:
http://youtu.be/wkrG8dU3vBQ
I miss Ryan Davis.
I just got back from a tour of the USA visiting about 20 states and hits hit or miss. Very rarely do you find a brick and mortar retro shop not over charging the hell out of everything. I found one ship in Boston near Harvard that had CHEAP US NEO GEO games and a carrying bag. I was floored. Other than that if you skim Craigslist and see a deal 90% of the time it's gone before you call. I just nailed a cheap jaguar collection but a find like that is once a year at best.
Quote from: TR0N on 11/24/2015, 06:09 AMQuote from: guest on 11/22/2015, 11:21 PMQuote from: TR0N on 11/20/2015, 04:53 AMnot buying ever game for said console.
Dear god, this. I just can't understand the willful shutdown of mental faculties needed to even entertain the notion of "completionism."
Got me like how some people have to collect every nes game out there.Granted,has plenty of good games for it all ready but there are plenty of bad ones as well.I find it a waste to have the crappy games in said collection just for the completeness.
Can't imagine having such epics as "color a dinosaur" or "where's waldo?"
I did somehow find a game i wanted at a brick and mortar store in ft collins a couple days ago.
just speed devils for the DC, but it was a good price, and i said fuck it.