It's about 5 minutes from my house.
I'm currently playing my Duo on our 48" Visio from 2014.
https://evansville.craigslist.org/zip/6085510274.html
48' is big. Assuming your duo isn't modded, it wouldn't look great with the whole digital/analog conversion. I would get any CRT you could asap, at least with me personally I can't stand composite video on flat screens. I would get this one if I was you, and upgrade tv's as you find better ones. Or maybe this one is perfect for you, i'm not sure on your setup. With me, i'm looking for a black 36' trinitron to replace the one I used back in 96 that recently died. But I have another CRT i'm using that's runner up to what i'm looking for.
Looks nice. Just make sure it's actually working well. Of course they say it is, but most people have poor standards for "working well".
Way way WAY better than a cheap ass Visio. So much better it's sick. Your current set is essentially showing crime scene photos of a murdered PCE signal and they're blown up huge as fuck to boot.
This assumes the Sony isn't completely wasted from a million hours of use of course...all things being equal though, yeah, no comparison.
Make sure the picture is crisp and colorful. Remote is a plus. I assume it has component video? It's difficult to tell from the pics. I used to use an RGB Scart converter to Component into a Trinitron and found it to be quite nice.
Quote from: crazydean on 04/23/2017, 01:25 AMMake sure the picture is crisp and colorful. Remote is a plus. I assume it has component video? It's difficult to tell from the pics. I used to use an RGB Scart converter to Component into a Trinitron and found it to be quite nice.
I was always curious how much more quality you get from a setup like that. Seems the most popular CRT setup with RGB is on BVM/PVM's.
Quote from: guest on 04/23/2017, 01:34 AMQuote from: crazydean on 04/23/2017, 01:25 AMMake sure the picture is crisp and colorful. Remote is a plus. I assume it has component video? It's difficult to tell from the pics. I used to use an RGB Scart converter to Component into a Trinitron and found it to be quite nice.
I was always curious how much more quality you get from a setup like that. Seems the most popular CRT setup with RGB is on BVM/PVM's.
Well sure, a professional monitor cost 5-10x a Trinitron when it was new. So, of course, it is going to have a better picture. The PVM/BVM also has a lot of control over the geometry of the picture. On the other hand, consumer sets are able to get much brighter, making them more suited to playing in a brightly lit room.
As for the RGB vs YPbPr quality, it's hardly noticeable. However, the difference between YPbPr and composite is huge and looks great on a CRT.
If I had to start a setup now, I'd go the with Trinitron and RGB to component converter. Plus, you don't have to pay $1k for something bigger than 20".
I have a JVC CRT that I use with component. I think NecroPhile has a similar model and has said good things as well. PCE games over component look...pretty much perfect.
The difference between compant YPbPr and RGB, all things being equal, is undetectable. Unless there is some kind of artifact in the conversion I'm not sure how you'd tell the difference even with a scope.
Yeah PVM/BVM is a cute idea if you can get one for cheap. If you aren't it's kind of killing the point, especially for tech that is dying and you can't really source replacement parts for. I predominantly use an HD CRT and stuff looks...fine? No doubt PVM/BVM would look a bit better but I have 3 of these things and have spent like $15. I do keep around a couple SD sets similar to the one linked to in the OP for light gun games.
Quote from: crazydean on 04/23/2017, 01:25 AMMake sure the picture is crisp and colorful. Remote is a plus. I assume it has component video? It's difficult to tell from the pics. I used to use an RGB Scart converter to Component into a Trinitron and found it to be quite nice.
Definitely want a remote. Fortunately, Sony remotes are fairly universal, and it's not like a complex one would be needed to operate all the features on this tv.
Quote from: crazydean on 04/23/2017, 02:09 AMAs for the RGB vs YPbPr quality, it's hardly noticeable. However, the difference between YPbPr and composite is huge and looks great on a CRT.
Absolutely.
Quote from: crazydean on 04/23/2017, 02:09 AMIf I had to start a setup now, I'd go the with Trinitron and RGB to component converter. Plus, you don't have to pay $1k for something bigger than 20".
Yeah, you likely wouldn't have to pay anything for the tv. Most of the thrifts in my area won't even take CRTs. A couple of my favourites that I donate to a fair bit do, though one tops out at 27'', which makes sense given the weight of these things. The converter can probably be had for $50 or less. Then you just need cables.
Well, the dude never got back to me. So I guess I'll just keep playing my Duo on my modern flat screen.
That Sony looks pretty similar to the one I use in my setup and I love that TV. It's heavy, but can still be managed by one person.
Nice thing about CRTs, you can just go to craig's list and people are getting rid of them for next to nothing. ...or sometimes just for nothing.
Quote from: seieienbu on 04/25/2017, 05:37 PMPeople are getting rid of them for next to nothing. ...or sometimes just for nothing.
I would personally never pay for a CRT. Unless it's a PVM or w/e. CRT's extremely abundant, and the demand is so little. So the seller should just expect the buyer to arrange carrying the TV out of the house for them; so they don't have to.
I bought one for $10 a while ago. I had zero complaints about the transaction.
Quote from: guest on 04/25/2017, 06:05 PMQuote from: seieienbu on 04/25/2017, 05:37 PMPeople are getting rid of them for next to nothing. ...or sometimes just for nothing.
I would personally never pay for a CRT. Unless it's a PVM or w/e. CRT's extremely abundant, and the demand is so little. So the seller should just expect the buyer to arrange carrying the TV out of the house for them; so they don't have to.
If it's an RCA, sure. But I'd gladly pay for certain CRTs. No fucking question. The good ones aren't always free and they aren't making any more of these. %90 of CRTs were shit just like %90 of LCDs are today. Quality varies greatly.
Looks like the set that I use. Playing 16-bit games on it looks and feels like a deluxe arcade cabinet.
You'll have to be strong and have someone else strong to help and plan out every maneuver beforehand, in order to get it into your place and to its resting spot. I wound up damaging the corner of the base by not setting it down perfectly. It'll also require a heavy duty TV stand made for crts.
Mine was free on the condition that I also take the matching stand.
If I knew beforehand how great it is, I'd gladly pay a lot for one.
I have my giant Trinitron on a plastic and plywood stand which is rated for 1/5 the weight of the set. Underneath it I have the incredibly heavy Laseractive. I sort of do it because I am curious if the LA will be able to handle the weight of the TV smashing through the stand, which it inevitably will.
As long as my arm isn't down there or I don't have 3D Virtual Australia in the LA when it happens, I welcome the excitement in my life.
Lol @ Clash! It's too bad he never responded to you, mitsuman, but you should definitely keep an eye out for a CRT. Sonys are often considered the best (and they are definitely great CRTs!) but I also have JVC and Toshiba CRTs that I think look just as good as either of the WEGAs I've owned.
Keep an eye on the "Free" section of Craigslist - I'm sure you'll find one nearby soon. I gave away my 36" Sony WEGA before a move because it was so friggin' heavy, and I spent about a grand on it when I bought it new. :D
As a piece of buying advice, I would recommend the 27" or 32" Trinitron over the 36". I made the mistake of getting a 36", and unless you want to have wireless controllers for your systems or controller extenders, you have to sit too close to the TV.
Of course, this is just my opinion. Some people need to overcompensate for their small penis with a large TV, I guess.
Quote from: guest on 04/26/2017, 12:16 AMLol @ Clash! It's too bad he never responded to you, mitsuman, but you should definitely keep an eye out for a CRT. Sonys are often considered the best (and they are definitely great CRTs!) but I also have JVC and Toshiba CRTs that I think look just as good as either of the WEGAs I've owned.
Keep an eye on the "Free" section of Craigslist - I'm sure you'll find one nearby soon. I gave away my 36" Sony WEGA before a move because it was so friggin' heavy, and I spent about a grand on it when I bought it new. :D
This is exactly how I got the main one I'm using now. Sony KV-XBR800. Of course it's and HD set, and extremely heavy. I picked up a 960 awhile back but mump me if I want to swap them out when the 800 is totally fine and the 960 is kinda meh on the geometry (can never be unseen).
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/25/2017, 07:54 PMIf it's an RCA, sure. But I'd gladly pay for certain CRTs. No fucking question. The good ones aren't always free and they aren't making any more of these. %90 of CRTs were shit just like %90 of LCDs are today. Quality varies greatly.
Lol RCA. I grew up with a shitty RCA set. It actually fell off of where it was sitting one time and hit me on the head, probably why I'm such a dumbass now LOL. Also thankfully it was an RCA piece of shit so it really wasn't all that heavy.
Anyway yeah, I'd pay for the right CRT as well. At this point though, I've been donating a lot of them (including some pretty good Sony sets) to the two thrifts here that will take them. I want to get down to just to two HD sets I mentioned earlier and the SD Sony set I have a bunch of stuff hooked up to and perhaps one SD back-up. Trying to find somewhere to take this other HD set might be tough.
Quote from: crazydean on 04/26/2017, 03:23 AMAs a piece of buying advice, I would recommend the 27" or 32" Trinitron over the 36". I made the mistake of getting a 36"...
Plus the fact of moving it takes two ppl when you go above 32". I picked up a "free" 35" (KV-35S65) and if there is a house fire, it's gonna stay inside to melt...no way I can move that shit by myself. 13" and 20"s can be saved tho :)
Quote from: majors on 04/26/2017, 07:59 AMQuote from: crazydean on 04/26/2017, 03:23 AMAs a piece of buying advice, I would recommend the 27" or 32" Trinitron over the 36". I made the mistake of getting a 36"...
Plus the fact of moving it takes two ppl when you go above 32". I picked up a "free" 35" (KV-35S65) and if there is a house fire, it's gonna stay inside to melt...no way I can move that shit by myself. 13" and 20"s can be saved tho :)
Even a 32" Trinitron weighs 150+ lbs and can be dangerous to handle alone.
27" is fine unless you're sitting 10' away.
Quote from: crazydean on 04/26/2017, 03:23 AMAs a piece of buying advice, I would recommend the 27" or 32" Trinitron over the 36". I made the mistake of getting a 36"
Interesting.. So you're recommending a smaller TV, because with the larger TV's you have to sit too far back for a clean picture?
Somehow i've never thought of that before being an issue. But now that you mention it, it completely make sense
Quote from: jperryss on 04/26/2017, 12:50 PMQuote from: majors on 04/26/2017, 07:59 AMQuote from: crazydean on 04/26/2017, 03:23 AMAs a piece of buying advice, I would recommend the 27" or 32" Trinitron over the 36". I made the mistake of getting a 36"...
Plus the fact of moving it takes two ppl when you go above 32". I picked up a "free" 35" (KV-35S65) and if there is a house fire, it's gonna stay inside to melt...no way I can move that shit by myself. 13" and 20"s can be saved tho :)
Even a 32" Trinitron weighs 150+ lbs and can be dangerous to handle alone.
27" is fine unless you're sitting 10' away.
Yeah, I have to agree there. I was using a 27" Trinitron before I switched to the a professional display that's about the same size and anything larger than that would be hard to deal with personally. For where I sit the 27-29" is the sweet spot.
Seems like the Toshiba CRT I bought a few months ago is going up already, it's spitting out weird pink and yellow discolorations now. To make matters worse, I found a month old listing on Craigslist for a 20" Sony PVM (which is only the 2nd pvm I've seen listed in my area ever), so I e-mailed the guy with hopes he might still have it. Of course, I missed the boat. So I guess it's back to the grind on finding a working display to play games on.
I wanted to go to some retro game cons soon anyway, but maybe I'll have to find a PVM seller there. If only there were more events happening around Baltimore!
I think you're about a million times more likely to find a good deal on a PVM in Baltimore in general than you would be at some con.
Do remember that these were not designed for gaming, they were expensive pro gear. The bigger your city the better your odds at getting one. Rual America is Poor America. Maybe a Christian TV station, that's about. In the city you have duplication houses, network affiliates, production, FX, etc.
Also, these things sat around for a decade or two before you started looking for them. Don't get discouraged just because nothing turned up in the extremely brief span of time you've been looking.
Btw, I got a free 20" Toshiba today. Flat tube. It even has more than one component in. This should do until I get my JVC pro monitor back up and running.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2017, 01:27 PMBtw, I got a free 20" Toshiba today. Flat tube. It even has more than one component in. This should do until I get my JVC pro monitor back up and running.
Nice.
Oh and yeah it's easy to miss shit on CL. You can go months without finding anything interesting and then something pops up and you miss it. There was an ad for a sale near me with a bunch of old professional equipment, I got lazy so I ended up missing it. Not that I really NEED any of the shit listed.
There is actually an HD broadcast monitor up on my CL right now asking $300. Not anything I'm particularly looking for but it was cool to see.
I don't know about the US but in Europe I think 90% of the time you are better off buying a good CRT TV than a PVM. CRT on average has way more life left in it (atleast without adjustements/repairs), supports 60hz, RGB, SCART, S-video, multiple inputs, is bigger, has integrated speakers etc. In my experience Sony Trinitrons and Panasonics are the best bet. For me the sweet spot is mid to late 90s, before the flatscreen and widescreen. And screen size between 25-28 inches.
This depends entirely on the owner. PVMs are rated for thousands of hours of use, many have hour counters. If it was a 24/7 live TV station then they probably wear the things out a lot. If it was used for other things, medical stuff, running the DVD recorder, etc it may have almost no time on it.
Similarly, lots of people buy a TV, set it to Fox News, and put it to the road 6 years later when it blows up, never once giving it a break.
It's also possible that a pvm has had things replaced/serviced, with a note on the last time it happened. Seen that before. If it was fully serviced and then not used a ton after, it would be good to go you'd figure.
Also yeah I took a free SD CRT awhile back and the volume had been jacked to max and the setting were shit. Had been running probably just about nonstop if I had to guess. I ended up donating it.
I was only talking about my own experiences. Its true that PVM are built to last and to be on 24/7, and most of them have been. What I was trying to say is that there are plenty of CRT TVs out there that haven't seen that much use. I'm sure you can somehow access the service menu and see the actual hours. And they are usually free, I had to pick up 4 until I found one that I'm happy with.
Like I said in the US it might me different considering the RGB and SCART support.
There are a lot of medical use PVMs here that were made just for comp/YC but from my experience most have some sort of component video. It's never SCART though as that had zero market penetration here ever. It's usually BNC or some f-ed up combo connector.
Quote from: Winniez on 05/12/2017, 07:07 PMI don't know about the US but in Europe I think 90% of the time you are better off buying a good CRT TV than a PVM. CRT on average has way more life left in it (atleast without adjustements/repairs), supports 60hz, RGB, SCART, S-video, multiple inputs, is bigger, has integrated speakers etc. In my experience Sony Trinitrons and Panasonics are the best bet. For me the sweet spot is mid to late 90s, before the flatscreen and widescreen. And screen size between 25-28 inches.
I'm in the US and I used to have a pvm but I agree with you and went back to a consumer Trinitron with a RGB to component converter. It's really much better suited to my needs than a pvm. It doesn't quite have the same pure RGB image as my old set but the component is really close, it's bigger, and it's a lot better for other uses like playing DVDs or Laserdiscs.
Yeah, for movies a PVM is not the best choice. PVMs have basically zero post processing. No 3D comb filters, the pitch is often much finer on a TV. TVs have tons of features that make them better than PVMs for actual viewing of motion picture content. PVMs are designed to show you the most accurate version of the signal you are providing, nothing else.
But, not to brag or anything, I have more than one monitor in my house.
Someone just posted a 13" PVM for $140 near me yesterday. A bit too much for the size and I don't know the hours on it. I would be perfectly happy with the consumer model Toshiba I have now if it weren't failing, I also had it connected via a component to scart adaptor and it looked pretty decent, except for maybe some blurriness at the corners. If I can talk the PVM guy down (if he still has it) I might consider the 13", I'd like to get away from having to move heavy CRTS.
Personally, I'll buy anything regardless of size. 13" is no problem, but the input selection and the integrity of the tube matter big time.
Not all PVMs have RGB input. As far as I am concerned, it's not worth the hassle if there is no RGB. At that point, you might as well get a consumer set with component.
I've owned a bunch of different Sony/Olympus PVMs and none of them counted the running hours. BVMs do this but I don't think any PVMs do. If it was a medical unit (usually white instead of gray) I figure chances are good it wasn't on for weeks or months at a time.
Definitely make sure it accepts RGB input otherwise it'll barely be an upgrade from a nice CRT TV. Most of the ones that take RGB will also accept component YPbPr on the same inputs. The inputs are mostly BNC connectors. You can get RCA-BNC adapters, or the easier way is to pick up a a SCART-BNC cable like this one, and then just pick up SCART cables for each system.
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc
$140 is a bit high for a 13". I would try to get it for around $100 if it's in really good condition.
On a 16-bit game system Y/C is just as good as RGB or component. An s-video hacked Genesis on one of those old C64 monitors is, IMHO, a better experience than a larger more convoluted set.
Obviously this is only practical if you have a dedicated gaming display, but who's got room for that what with our complete Wii collection and demo kiosks and shit, right?
Got a tiny little baby pvm on the way. 9'' Ikegami. Tops out at SVideo. Was pretty much dirt cheap considering shipping. I was actually thinking about having a family member pick it up (for safety reasons) as it's in SE Michigan where a lot of my family is but I realized it will probably be at least a year before I'm up there again.
Anyway I'm intrigued to try it out, hopefully it survives the trip.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/13/2017, 12:08 AMBut, not to brag or anything, I have more than one monitor in my house.
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Quote from: crazydean on 05/13/2017, 07:17 PMNot all PVMs have RGB input. As far as I am concerned, it's not worth the hassle if there is no RGB. At that point, you might as well get a consumer set with component.
This is correct logic...
I will direct compare PVM svideo and good ole component on a consumer SD trinitron for you guys.
Quote from: Gypsy on 05/15/2017, 02:06 PMGot a tiny little baby pvm on the way. 9'' Ikegami. Tops out at SVideo. Was pretty much dirt cheap considering shipping. I was actually thinking about having a family member pick it up (for safety reasons) as it's in SE Michigan where a lot of my family is but I realized it will probably be at least a year before I'm up there again.
Anyway I'm intrigued to try it out, hopefully it survives the trip.
I still have an 8" Sony PVM. It's portable and has a handle on top so it's easy to just move it to where I need it to quickly test a console or a cable. Kinda tough to play games on it for any period of time.
I've tested various 8/16-bit consoles on a few different monitors and often s-video is almost as good as RGB. The difference between composite and s-video is night and day.
You guys reminded me of one of my primary methods of playing my original TG-16 back in the day, at least before I got a Duo and could finally use something other than an RF connector. My family had this black and white TV with a tiny screen, maybe like 8" actually. We got it for camping or something, it had a radio and a kickstand built in. Eventually, it just ended up in my room and I remember clearly playing Dragon's Curse in B&W on that thing. Eventually I got a Duo and switched over to composite on my C64 Monitor, which I used for a super long time afterwards until it kicked the bucket.
Quote from: jperryss on 05/15/2017, 04:00 PMQuote from: Gypsy on 05/15/2017, 02:06 PMGot a tiny little baby pvm on the way. 9'' Ikegami. Tops out at SVideo. Was pretty much dirt cheap considering shipping. I was actually thinking about having a family member pick it up (for safety reasons) as it's in SE Michigan where a lot of my family is but I realized it will probably be at least a year before I'm up there again.
Anyway I'm intrigued to try it out, hopefully it survives the trip.
I still have an 8" Sony PVM. It's portable and has a handle on top so it's easy to just move it to where I need it to quickly test a console or a cable. Kinda tough to play games on it for any period of time.
I've tested various 8/16-bit consoles on a few different monitors and often s-video is almost as good as RGB. The difference between composite and s-video is night and day.
Yeah I'm not sure about it. I grew up old PC gaming on a small monitor so maybe. I'll see how it feels. I've actually been playing some mildly old PC games lately on a 19'' monitor. I know that's over twice as big, which is kind of crazy to think about.
Quote from: Gypsy on 05/15/2017, 04:27 PMQuote from: jperryss on 05/15/2017, 04:00 PMQuote from: Gypsy on 05/15/2017, 02:06 PMGot a tiny little baby pvm on the way. 9'' Ikegami. Tops out at SVideo. Was pretty much dirt cheap considering shipping. I was actually thinking about having a family member pick it up (for safety reasons) as it's in SE Michigan where a lot of my family is but I realized it will probably be at least a year before I'm up there again.
Anyway I'm intrigued to try it out, hopefully it survives the trip.
I still have an 8" Sony PVM. It's portable and has a handle on top so it's easy to just move it to where I need it to quickly test a console or a cable. Kinda tough to play games on it for any period of time.
I've tested various 8/16-bit consoles on a few different monitors and often s-video is almost as good as RGB. The difference between composite and s-video is night and day.
Yeah I'm not sure about it. I grew up old PC gaming on a small monitor so maybe. I'll see how it feels. I've actually been playing some mildly old PC games lately on a 19'' monitor. I know that's over twice as big, which is kind of crazy to think about.
Personally, I just have to find the proper *distance* from *any* screen and I can be happy playing.
For the past 2 years, I have been using a tiny 8" Sony and its perfect on my desk (I prefer to be 2-4 feet from the screen).
If I am sitting further away (more than 6 feet), I would prefer a larger screen.
Are you guys seriously happy with the sub 10inch screens? I know the picture quality is great on PVMs but that sounds like a really big compromise to me.
Quote from: johnnykonami on 05/15/2017, 04:12 PMYou guys reminded me of one of my primary methods of playing my original TG-16 back in the day, at least before I got a Duo and could finally use something other than an RF connector. My family had this black and white TV with a tiny screen, maybe like 8" actually. We got it for camping or something, it had a radio and a kickstand built in. Eventually, it just ended up in my room and I remember clearly playing Dragon's Curse in B&W on that thing. Eventually I got a Duo and switched over to composite on my C64 Monitor, which I used for a super long time afterwards until it kicked the bucket.
The Commodore 64 monitor is really sweet for gaming. I keep one in the closet as a backup, I've had it for almost 20 years now.
I think 8" is too small for regular use. You can probably play games just fine on a 7" tablet but a tablet can also be angled and adjusted easily if you want to change positions while playing. It's harder to do that with a 30lb cube.
That being said the rugged build and abundance of buttons and inputs makes them inherently cool and there's something enjoyable about using them for gaming, which is so far away from their intended use of monitoring broadcast video feeds and scoping people's rectums.
Quote from: Winniez on 05/15/2017, 07:38 PMAre you guys seriously happy with the sub 10inch screens? I know the picture quality is great on PVMs but that sounds like a really big compromise to me.
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Hell yes.
I admit, I like to blast music through subwoofers+speakers.
If that will disturb my family, I plug in fat over-the-ear headphones.
For me, audio is *crucial* for making it immersive. I actually become quite frustrated if I can't adjust audio to my preferences (if a game has horrible audio, I won't blast it, lest I stab my ears with a Push-Pop).
I wear glasses, but my eyesight is very good— I guess (?) —no little detail gets past me if I am playing, even on a tiny screen.
:)
Quote from: GohanX on 05/15/2017, 09:10 PMThe Commodore 64 monitor is really sweet for gaming. I keep one in the closet as a backup, I've had it for almost 20 years now.
Besides composite these things have pretty funky inputs right? I've actually not seen one in person but I vaguely remember reading about that. It would be neat to have and I would definitely pick one up in person but they don't seem prevalent at all in my area and shipping would be murder (monetarily and the item might not survive).
Quote from: Winniez on 05/15/2017, 07:38 PMAre you guys seriously happy with the sub 10inch screens? I know the picture quality is great on PVMs but that sounds like a really big compromise to me.
For me this is more of a cheap test drive. If I really like the look, I'll get more serious about picking up a 13-14'' unit which is definitely enough screen size for me. I've always got my beast XBR when I want to sit farther back.
Quote from: Gypsy on 05/15/2017, 04:27 PMQuote from: jperryss on 05/15/2017, 04:00 PMQuote from: Gypsy on 05/15/2017, 02:06 PMGot a tiny little baby pvm on the way. 9'' Ikegami. Tops out at SVideo. Was pretty much dirt cheap considering shipping. I was actually thinking about having a family member pick it up (for safety reasons) as it's in SE Michigan where a lot of my family is but I realized it will probably be at least a year before I'm up there again.
Anyway I'm intrigued to try it out, hopefully it survives the trip.
I still have an 8" Sony PVM. It's portable and has a handle on top so it's easy to just move it to where I need it to quickly test a console or a cable. Kinda tough to play games on it for any period of time.
I've tested various 8/16-bit consoles on a few different monitors and often s-video is almost as good as RGB. The difference between composite and s-video is night and day.
Yeah I'm not sure about it. I grew up old PC gaming on a small monitor so maybe. I'll see how it feels. I've actually been playing some mildly old PC games lately on a 19'' monitor. I know that's over twice as big, which is kind of crazy to think about.
The difference between 8" and 19" is actually more than 4x.
Screen size is measured diagonally meaning that a 5" screen in 4:3 is 4" by 3", therefore 12 sq in. A 10" screen is 8x6" meaning 48 sq in.
Using the known identity of a 3:4:5 triangle, an 8" screen has 4.8x6.4" so 30.72 sq in. Where a 19" screen is 11.4x15.2" so 173.28 sq in. So about 5.6x (!) the screen size.
Quote from: esteban on 05/15/2017, 09:30 PMIf that will disturb my family, I plug in fat over-the-ear headphones.
For me, audio is *crucial* for making it immersive. I actually become quite frustrated if I can't adjust audio to my preferences (if a game has horrible audio, I won't blast it, lest I stab my ears with a Push-Pop).
I don't crank the volume too loud, but there's nothing quite like gaming with a decent pair of isolating headphones. Even a cheap pair can do wonders for immersion as you said, especially for handheld gaming. That first time using them with the DSi was magical and I rarely play it without them now.
Quote from: crazydean on 05/15/2017, 09:49 PMThe difference between 8" and 19" is actually more than 4x.
Screen size is measured diagonally meaning that a 5" screen in 4:3 is 4" by 3", therefore 12 sq in. A 10" screen is 8x6" meaning 48 sq in.
Using the known identity of a 3:4:5 triangle, an 8" screen has 4.8x6.4" so 30.72 sq in. Where a 19" screen is 11.4x15.2" so 173.28 sq in. So about 5.6x (!) the screen size.
Pizza math!
Quote from: Gypsy on 05/15/2017, 09:35 PMQuote from: GohanX on 05/15/2017, 09:10 PMThe Commodore 64 monitor is really sweet for gaming. I keep one in the closet as a backup, I've had it for almost 20 years now.
Besides composite these things have pretty funky inputs right? I've actually not seen one in person but I vaguely remember reading about that. It would be neat to have and I would definitely pick one up in person but they don't seem prevalent at all in my area and shipping would be murder (monetarily and the item might not survive).
Quote from: Winniez on 05/15/2017, 07:38 PMAre you guys seriously happy with the sub 10inch screens? I know the picture quality is great on PVMs but that sounds like a really big compromise to me.
For me this is more of a cheap test drive. If I really like the look, I'll get more serious about picking up a 13-14'' unit which is definitely enough screen size for me. I've always got my beast XBR when I want to sit farther back.
The 1701 is the one I have, it has composite in the front but it has separate Luma and Chroma plugs on the back. You can order a cheap adapter cable to convert those to svideo, it looks fantastic. The 1084 has RGB also but I've heard the image isn't as sharp.
Some of my mates often ask what should I buy with the DS, DSi, 3DS, 3DS Xl, New 3ds etc.
I always answer pair of Porta Pros and a decant carrying case. Actually I used to say that back in the GBA days aswell.
Quote from: jperryss on 05/15/2017, 09:53 PMI don't crank the volume too loud, but there's nothing quite like gaming with a decent pair of isolating headphones. Even a cheap pair can do wonders for immersion as you said, especially for handheld gaming. That first time using them with the DSi was magical and I rarely play it without them now.
Right on, no need to use Nintendo's shitty speakers.
Quote from: GohanX on 05/15/2017, 09:55 PMThe 1701 is the one I have, it has composite in the front but it has separate Luma and Chroma plugs on the back. You can order a cheap adapter cable to convert those to svideo, it looks fantastic. The 1084 has RGB also but I've heard the image isn't as sharp.
Good to know.
Quote from: jperryss on 05/15/2017, 09:53 PMPizza math!
Yes! Because its size rating increases linearly but its surface area increases as a square. Alternatively, if you want to know the comparison between screen sizes, you just square their comparative sizes i.e. (19/8)^2=5.64x
Quote from: esteban on 05/15/2017, 09:30 PM(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/xmas2016_h.jpg)
Hey :shock:! That tennokoe looks exactly like one I made and sold !
Quote from: Winniez on 05/15/2017, 09:57 PMSome of my mates often ask what should I buy with the DS, DSi, 3DS, 3DS Xl, New 3ds etc.
I always answer pair of Porta Pros and a decant carrying case. Actually I used to say that back in the GBA days aswell.
The Porta Pros are awesome for the price. I prefer closed-back headphones for gaming and I'm a big fan of the Audio Technica ART series (for gaming and music). The M40 and M50 are also highly regarded but I didn't like the fit of them.
I know when I game, only my Sennheiser HD 800 S will do!!
Except actually I tend to just use those for music mostly, maybe PC gaming. I also have a Spirit Focal Classic but for stuff like playing DS games this beater pair of Phillips SHP9500 is honestly good enough.
Quote from: Gypsy on 05/16/2017, 08:32 AMI know when I game, only my Sennheiser HD 800 S will do!!
Except actually I tend to just use those for music mostly, maybe PC gaming. I also have a Spirit Focal Classic but for stuff like playing DS games this beater pair of Phillips SHP9500 is honestly good enough.
OK, moneybags. :mrgreen:
But seriously, those SHP9500s are awesome and definitely punch above their weight. I use them in my desktop setup with a cMoy amp. Total cost was about $135 and it sounds fantastic.
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The most I've ever spent on headphones was around $350-$400 each for lightly-used RS1s and a mint set of CIB HD650s and even that felt a little dirty. I kept both for about a year and ended up selling them.
Yeah they really are not bad at all. I would recommend them at their current price point for someone that just wants a solid pair of headphones.
Quote from: Gypsy on 05/16/2017, 08:49 AMYeah they really are not bad at all. I would recommend them at their current price point for someone that just wants a solid pair of headphones.
Hmmm, I have really cheap-ass headphones.
Monoprice $25
I think I might invest in a nice pair of headphones...but I don't think I could spend over $120-140 due to my budget....
I am going to look at the various models suggested above... I find it so frustrating trying to "research" headphones.... I trust you guys more than a random review.
:)
Quote from: esteban on 05/16/2017, 09:22 AMI think I might invest in a nice pair of headphones...but I don't think I could spend over $120-140 due to my budget....
I am going to look at the various models suggested above... I find it so frustrating trying to "research" headphones.... I trust you guys more than a random review.
:)
The SHP9500s are about $60-70 on Amazon or eBay. I run mine off of a small amplifier which was another $60 or so, but these headphones really don't need an amp and I mainly use it because I already had it. They are open-back headphones so they will leak sound and won't block out noise around you. That may or may not be an issue depending on where you'll be using them.
The Audio Technica M30/40/50 are all highly-reviewed and range from about $60-$140. They are closed-back and will do a better job of isolating sound. I really like the fit and sound of the AT ART series but they might be a bit out of your price range. The Sennheiser HD280s are about $100 and if isolating yourself from the outside world is #1 priority, go with these.
I found some random ass Sony MDR-7506 Sony headphones at a used store for $9.99. They're pretty damn awesome for gaming and movie watching. I still haven't decided if I like them more than my good Sennheisers, they each have their strengths and weaknesses.
That was a great find, the MDR7506s are legendary. Haven't had an opportunity to try them yet.
My radio station uses MDR7506 and while I don't think I'd ever buy them myself they are really good. They don't *look* tough, but they are. I have a pair of Pioneer DJ headphones that look hella tough but in reality broke in more ways and faster than any headphones I've ever had.
On a budget I suggest whatever Sennheiser you can afford. "Sennheiser - When you're through fucking with everyone else's garbage."
I have a pair of Sennheiser HD598's I picked up last year. Outstanding headphones. I haven't decided which I like better, they are good at different things.
What about this one?
https://evansville.craigslist.org/ele/6102105688.html
Pending condition, it looks perfect. Go get it.
Quote from: esteban on 05/16/2017, 09:22 AMQuote from: Gypsy on 05/16/2017, 08:49 AMYeah they really are not bad at all. I would recommend them at their current price point for someone that just wants a solid pair of headphones.
Hmmm, I have really cheap-ass headphones.
Monoprice $25
I think I might invest in a nice pair of headphones...but I don't think I could spend over $120-140 due to my budget....
I am going to look at the various models suggested above... I find it so frustrating trying to "research" headphones.... I trust you guys more than a random review.
:)
Well, you can safely skip checking the price of the Sennheiser HD 800 S. :dance:
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/16/2017, 03:24 PMMy radio station uses MDR7506 and while I don't think I'd ever buy them myself they are really good. They don't *look* tough, but they are. I have a pair of Pioneer DJ headphones that look hella tough but in reality broke in more ways and faster than any headphones I've ever had.
On a budget I suggest whatever Sennheiser you can afford. "Sennheiser - When you're through fucking with everyone else's garbage."
Sennheiser is love. Absolutely.
Quote from: mitsuman on 05/16/2017, 04:22 PMWhat about this one?
https://evansville.craigslist.org/ele/6102105688.html
Go for it brotato chip. Best of luck.
Quote from: GohanX on 05/16/2017, 04:06 PMI have a pair of Sennheiser HD598's I picked up last year. Outstanding headphones. I haven't decided which I like better, they are good at different things.
Quote from: jperryss on 05/16/2017, 09:53 AMQuote from: esteban on 05/16/2017, 09:22 AMI think I might invest in a nice pair of headphones...but I don't think I could spend over $120-140 due to my budget....
I am going to look at the various models suggested above... I find it so frustrating trying to "research" headphones.... I trust you guys more than a random review.
:)
The SHP9500s are about $60-70 on Amazon or eBay. I run mine off of a small amplifier which was another $60 or so, but these headphones really don't need an amp and I mainly use it because I already had it. They are open-back headphones so they will leak sound and won't block out noise around you. That may or may not be an issue depending on where you'll be using them.
The Audio Technica M30/40/50 are all highly-reviewed and range from about $60-$140. They are closed-back and will do a better job of isolating sound. I really like the fit and sound of the AT ART series but they might be a bit out of your price range. The Sennheiser HD280s are about $100 and if isolating yourself from the outside world is #1 priority, go with these.
Quote from: GohanX on 05/16/2017, 10:01 AMI found some random ass Sony MDR-7506 Sony headphones at a used store for $9.99. They're pretty damn awesome for gaming and movie watching. I still haven't decided if I like them more than my good Sennheisers, they each have their strengths and weaknesses.
Gentlemen, thank you.
I looked up all of these and I am going to get one of them. I'm going to just choose one, and not belabor it like I normally do.
When I was a kid, my dad gave me his old pair of Koss4A?? (A TANK....1970's heavy green metal) headphones and I listened to everything, including NES/TG-16/TG-CD/etc. with them (I ran audio to receiver).
Holy crap, did my ears get pinched, hot and sweaty in those things.
I wonder if the "over the ear" Sennheiser is the way to go...it will allow me to hear a screaming child in an emergency, but otherwise I can ignore the damn kids.
:)
Those Sennheisers I got are good for that. They block out most everything but aren't completely isolated. I can't hear anything outside with the Sonys.
The only catch on the Senns is that they lack bass. That's not to say that it doesn't have bass, just that it's a very neutral sound. If you're playing rap or something that digs deep you'll get the bass, but if you're playing rock you might think that the headphones have no bass. This isn't true, it just doesn't have the bass cranked like a lot of headphones. The Sonys are kind of the same way, but if you've got them hooked up to a receiver and your playing a bass track those things can dig DEEP. Dracula X rocked my face the other day.
I can't speak for the other headphones, but between the two I really like the Sonys better for watching movies or gaming. I prefer the Sennheisers for music. The Senns are also a lot more comfortable for longer sessions and can sound reasonably good from a portable device. The Sonys really need some power to run well, they are great connected to my receiver but fall flat connected to my MP3 player, even with a headphone amp.
Over the ear headphones are the only headphones. Everything else is a toy.
Quote from: mitsuman on 05/16/2017, 04:22 PMWhat about this one?
https://evansville.craigslist.org/ele/6102105688.html
QuoteHas coax, s-video, RCA and RGB inputs with remote.
Pretty sure that must be component, not actual RGB.
I have had a pair of Sennheiser HD600 for 15 years now as my main headphones. To say that I have got my moneys worth is an understatement. I use headphones a lot and have calculated that they have been on my head for around 2 or 3 years :) The funny thing is taking account the inflation they have remained very similarily priced for the past 15 years, I think I paid 200e in 2002.
Expensive spare parts and fragile standard cable are my only complaint but its not that big issue anymore, you can get fairly good quality ear cushions from China and use the more durable HD650 cable.
I sometimes lust over the HD800s but the high initial cost and especially the "running cost" (meaning replacement ear cushions etc.) are kind of deal breakers for me.
I also have a pair of HD580s that I got cheap used as a spare set and numerous Porta Pros.
Quote from: guest on 05/17/2017, 01:44 PMQuote from: mitsuman on 05/16/2017, 04:22 PMWhat about this one?
https://evansville.craigslist.org/ele/6102105688.html
QuoteHas coax, s-video, RCA and RGB inputs with remote.
Pretty sure that must be component, not actual RGB.
Very likely the person is just saying RGB because of the colors of the connectors.
Oh and back to the screen size thing. I was in a thrift a little bit back and was looking at their smaller tvs, including an 8-inch set. I think I will definitely be fine to game on this 9'' PVM until I can find a bigger one. 240p stuff only though.
Quote from: Winniez on 05/17/2017, 01:46 PMI have had a pair of Sennheiser HD600 for 15 years now as my main headphones. To say that I have got my moneys worth is an understatement. I use headphones a lot and have calculated that they have been on my head for around 2 or 3 years :) The funny thing is taking account the inflation they have remained very similarily priced for the past 15 years, I think I paid 200e in 2002.
Expensive spare parts and fragile standard cable are my only complaint but its not that big issue anymore, you can get fairly good quality ear cushions from China and use the more durable HD650 cable.
I sometimes lust over the HD800s but the high initial cost and especially the "running cost" (meaning replacement ear cushions etc.) are kind of deal breakers for me.
I also have a pair of HD580s that I got cheap used as a spare set and numerous Porta Pros.
Probably depends where you are at financially. I have no regrets. But yeah it's a lot to pay for headphones. I paid $1349 and I can't imagine they are much less anywhere for a legit pair. The pair you have is a damn fine pair in that price range imo.
A good pair of headphones is your best friend. Provides tunes, drowns out the psychos, keeps your ears warm, everything.
Thrilled with the monitor, played quite a bit of Zeroigar on it tonight. Will definitely try to find a bigger one.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/17/2017, 03:33 PMA good pair of headphones is your best friend. Provides tunes, drowns out the psychos, keeps your ears warm, everything.
This is so damn true.
Something very interesting popped up locally. I will update when I get (or don't) it.
Quote from: Gypsy on 05/19/2017, 07:25 PMSomething very interesting popped up locally. I will update when I get (or don't) it.
I told you it would happen once you stopped taking the lithium.
It called an "erection".
:)
Quote from: esteban on 05/19/2017, 08:51 PMQuote from: Gypsy on 05/19/2017, 07:25 PMSomething very interesting popped up locally. I will update when I get (or don't) it.
I told you it would happen once you stopped taking the lithium.
It called an "erection".
:)
Dibs on the lithium.
I went near ROFLMAO's neck of the woods and picked up a Sony 14M4U. It's in fantastic shape and hadn't been used in 10+ years (video production/editing studio). He also had some 20s but those sold within an hour of the CL posting (lol).
I didn't hear back from the PVM guy who sorta gave me the run around, but today I went out and I got a JVC D-Series 27" for free. I'm pretty happy with it, got my Saturn and Super Famicom connected to it via Scart -> component and they look decent. I was struggling for a little bit to get the picture to look just right until I noticed (like 15 minutes later) that the red component cable had fallen out of my component/scart converter. Plugged it back in and everything went from looking dull and colorless (which I presumed was the TV's fault at first) to bright and clear. Next I want to get my PCE setup going, then after that maybe genny/feka CD.
I'm sure others will have different opinions but I have not been happy with any of the Sony Trinitron CRT televisions that I have owned. they all looked pretty crapy with S-Video compared to other CRT televisions that I've used. then again this could probably have to do with the year and model. Toshiba is my CRT television brand of choice.
with that being said any CRT television will probably look better on composite video than what you are using now. Also, is it weird that I get angry when I see pictures of people playing anything 32 bit or older on a newer TV.
I've had very good experiences with Toshiba and JVC. I'm all Sony (on CRTs anyway) right now, but it's just coincidence and what was available easily for cheap. I think Sony gets put on a pedestal due to name recognition.
I can't say I've used enough SVideo to comment on that. PC-FX looks great with Svideo on this PVM though.
I recently swapped out my 20" Sony WEGA for a 27" Toshiba. The Sony is great for lugging around, and has a fantastic picture, but the Toshiba looks just as good, imo, and has more inputs. And it still has that slick 16:9 mode for widescreen games and DVDs!
And to throw some more Sennheiser love out there, I have a pair of HD 380s at work and love them.
UPDATE: I think I'll buy Sennheisers for Father's Day.
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I picked up 6 CRTs this morning. 2 of them are 20-something inches, the others are smaller. Pretty much low end brands, but they were free. Zenith,a couple insignias, and some I don't remember right now. It was a take all of them situation.
And all of them work.
Going to keep one, and give/sell/trade the others.