it seems that jaleco robbered from the PCE library. the resemblance between Victory Run (Hudson PCE 1987) and Big Run (Jaleco Arcade 1990) is almost undeniable.
1th The name: Victory Run vs. Big Run
2nd The genre: Rally Racer
3rd The cars (OK. more or less, since they're both rally cars :mrgreen:):
(http://www.pcemulators.co.uk/mamepics/bigrun.png) vs. (http://www.hudsonentertainment.com/images/screenshots/victory_run03.jpg)
how do you think about?
Which one plays better?
Who are the developments teams/individual programmers for each?
Maybe they were made by the same people.
Honestly Tatsujin, you've shown us two screen shots that don't look really anything alike, and a bunch of proof that is inconclusive.
1. The name. I don't think "Run" is copyrighted.
2. The genre. OMG ANOTHER BEHIND THE CAR RACING GAME! THEY MUST BE STOPPED! :shock: You can apply this rebuttal to almost any other genre, platformers, FPS, etc....
3. The car. It's a blue and white car. The Dodge Viper is usually a blue and white car. Did Dodge rip off Hudson? I don't really think so.
At the end of the day, you add up what you've presented and you come up with jack shit. But even if you had something, who cares? It's just a video game, and the supposed "thief" made the game after the maximum profit peak for Victory Run had been reached.
There is serious conspiracy, and there is people who look for everything in nothing.
Actually, it isn't just Tatsujin. Matt at Wolfgames also noted the similarity between the two when he had Big Run listed. I forget his exact comment, though, and I don't think he currently has the game in stock.
Quote from: runinruder on 01/24/2008, 09:28 PMActually, it isn't just Tatsujin. Matt at Wolfgames also noted the similarity between the two when he had Big Run listed.
Similar yes, but the exact same game just modified a bit? I doubt it. Even if it was, it's just a clone game. If we didn't have clone games we would have run out of video games even before the crash. Almost EVERY game is a upgraded form of another game, just look at it.
So pass this message from me onto Matt: Stop making something out of nothing.
easy kitsune :mrgreen: this comparison is just for fun based on my feelings about those two titles, and not an evidence accumulation for a judicial proceeding.
of course those two games quite differs, when it comes to gameplay, leveldesign etc. and in motion. so in fact, of course it's not a robbery of the entire game, but more an inspiration, which jaleco used to produce Big Run, i guess.
I love when Kitsunexus gets all worked up about something. It usually results in lots of caps and a bold typeface.
by the way, big run for the SFC is most probably the most worse racer ever released on any consoles :lol: it even doesn't take any advantages of the mode-7. and if you've seen about the first 15sec of the 1st level, you've seen the entire game! the arcade pendant was a very funny and good looking racer tought.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 01/24/2008, 11:20 PMby the way, big run for the SFC is most probably the most worse racer ever released on any consoles
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and if you've seen about the first 15sec of the 1st level, you've seen the entire game!
Sounds a lot like Victory Run.
Maybe there is more to this plagiarizing theory than we thought.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 01/24/2008, 11:20 PMvery funny and good looking racer.
Comedy racing? :-k
Quote from: nat on 01/24/2008, 11:43 PMQuote from: Tatsujin on 01/24/2008, 11:20 PMby the way, big run for the SFC is most probably the most worse racer ever released on any consoles
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and if you've seen about the first 15sec of the 1st level, you've seen the entire game!
Sounds a lot like Victory Run.
Maybe there is more to this plagiarizing theory than we thought.
only with the difference, that victory run is an awesome game, especially regarded to its age. i like it lot. and the up'n'down drives where nothing less than amazing at that time. if i think about, it doesn't come any other home racers to my mind, which technically could compete with victory run back then.
Quote from: Kitsunexus on 01/25/2008, 12:09 AMQuote from: Tatsujin on 01/24/2008, 11:20 PMvery funny and good looking racer.
Comedy racing? :-k
in a way yes! i used a lot to laugh about the crashed and burning cars at the street side! those jamin' f**kers,i hoped they all died!
Quote from: Tatsujin on 01/25/2008, 12:24 AMQuote from: Kitsunexus on 01/25/2008, 12:09 AMQuote from: Tatsujin on 01/24/2008, 11:20 PMvery funny and good looking racer.
Comedy racing? :-k
in a way yes! i used a lot to laugh about the crashed and burning cars at the street side! those jamin' f**kers,i hoped they all died!
That IS funny! :lol:
Quote from: Tatsujin on 01/25/2008, 12:10 AMQuote from: nat on 01/24/2008, 11:43 PMQuote from: Tatsujin on 01/24/2008, 11:20 PMby the way, big run for the SFC is most probably the most worse racer ever released on any consoles
[..]
and if you've seen about the first 15sec of the 1st level, you've seen the entire game!
Sounds a lot like Victory Run.
Maybe there is more to this plagiarizing theory than we thought.
only with the difference, that victory run is an awesome game, especially regarded to its age. i like it lot. and the up'n'down drives where nothing less than amazing at that time. if i think about, it doesn't come any other home racers to my mind, which technically could compete with victory run back then.
Outrun? Outrun was 982x better than Victory Run.
I think it's probably a coincidence, but it does seem like they liked the title name of Victory Run.
Quote from: nat on 01/25/2008, 01:51 AMOutrun? Outrun was 982x better than Victory Run.
i'm talking bout racers for home systems. and outrun came out almost 3y later for the PCE ;)
I believe Matt's comment was "Jaleco screw up Victory Run."
awesome said!
OK, I downloaded and played both Victory Run, and Big Run (arcade). Big Run does copy some things, and it doesn't play as good, but the graphics are amazing! (I'm a sucker for scaler games.) The drum samples in Big Run sound like Phil Colins called me up over the telephone, and instead of him playing his drums, he farted into a sock.
Also the crashes are better in Big Run, but at the end of the day, Victory Run is better.
yeah..it's difficult to play arcade racers via emu due to the analog controll of the original hardware. the game was a lot of fun back then in the game center! may be have to play it again once again as well.
victory run's awesomeness is beyond question :mrgreen:
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