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Yep I'm changing it up this time by allowing three votes apiece.  Supergrafx not included- pce/tg only  :D- and no mahjong games  :D.  No quiz games either. If I'm missing anything let me know and I'll fix it- you can change your votes if you wish- poll's open for 27 days  :D...

Gradius 1 and 2,and Salamander. If I just judge by what they kept in versus what they lost,none of those ports lost much of anything,and ended up gaining better music,and in the case of Gradius,extra content.

I voted Cadash, Cotton, and Forgotten Worlds.  There's other choices that are more 'arcade perfect', but I'll pick fun over accuracy every time.

Dragon Ball Z was not an arcade game. Well, there is a Dragon Ball Z arcade game but its this really crazy split screen first person thing. The PCE one is PCE original.

I voted Fatal Fury Special.

The Wonderboys and Space Harrier.

I voted R-Type, Raiden and Street Fighter II' - Champion Edition!!! It was tough choice with all those great sega ports!

I voted for World Heroes 2, Gradius 2 and Forgotten Worlds.

I took into account the difference between hardware and the overall impact as a PC Engine game. I would've voted for Darius 2, but its supposed to be a partial remake.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/08/2008, 04:49 PMDragon Ball Z was not an arcade game. Well, there is a Dragon Ball Z arcade game but its this really crazy split screen first person thing. The PCE one is PCE original.

I voted Fatal Fury Special.

http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7635 (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7635)

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/08/2008, 04:49 PMDragon Ball Z was not an arcade game. Well, there is a Dragon Ball Z arcade game but its this really crazy split screen first person thing. The PCE one is PCE original.

You must be thinking of this one (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7637), which Sinistron pointed out is not the only the only DBZ arcade game.

OK so there are three Dragon Ball Z arcade games...still, none of them are the PC Engine game. The PCE game is a sort of fighting sim with menu selectable super moves, a simplified control scheme (compared to "real" fighters), and no versus mode.

It was also good, which separates it totally from almost all of the pre-Atari DBZ games.

[edit] Maybe it does have a versus mode. I can't remember. I know I've never played it. The story mode is extremely one player in nature though and has no character select.

The PCE game is actually a lot like the SS/PS "Legends" games except done with cool little sprites instead of horrible horrible polygons.

I had no idea that Nexzr was a arcade game originaly.

my votes are World Heroes 2, Cotton and Chiki Chiki boys.

Quote from: awack on 04/08/2008, 06:05 PMI had no idea that Nexzr was a arcade game originaly.

Are there mame roms or pcbs floating around? Because it looks like another PCE game listed on klov.com simply because someone thought that it probably was an arcade game at one point.

The description couldn't be any more vague:

"A space shooter from Kaneko that is similar to most space shooters."

Yeah CrackTiger, I wondered that myself.  Put it on there anyway- I'm figuring that KLOV is a more reliable source than moi.  Having not travelled the world over to play all arcade games I'm gonna give KLOV the benefit of the doubt.  I am most dubious about Parasol Stars being an arcade game- and yet one KLOV member claims to own it.  I listed it for better or worse.

Zeke- the pics of the one I posted def. looks like the same type game- I've seen pics of the pce one.  Looks more likely that its some sort of port than not.  Either way- you admit to only having seen one when there's several fighting Dragon Ball games on KLOV and pics of the cabinets- so I won't consider you an authority over them.  Sorry  :(.  Vote however you wish is all I can say.

Anyway back to Nexzr- it's not just KLOV.  Googling brings up a bunch of references of Nexzr having been an arcade game.

Quote from: Sinistron on 04/08/2008, 06:24 PMI am most dubious about Parasol Stars being an arcade game- and yet one KLOV member claims to own it.  I listed it for better or worse.

Bubble Bobble III: Parasol Stars existed in one form another as an arcade game. It's doubtful it was ever really released, but there are probably prototypes floating around out there. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the KLOV members owns one.

Yeah CrackTiger, I'm thinking its the same game, every where i look it states that the arcade nexzr was released in 92 same year as the pc engine version and one list of all Kaneko games had nexzr arcade(1992) but no pc engine game, but it would be cool to find out a few arcade machines were made.

Quote from: SinistronZeke- the pics of the one I posted def. looks like the same type game- I've seen pics of the pce one.  Looks more likely that its some sort of port than not.  Either way- you admit to only having seen one when there's several fighting Dragon Ball games on KLOV and pics of the cabinets- so I won't consider you an authority over them.  Sorry  :(.  Vote however you wish is all I can say.

Its not the same as any arcade game. I know you hate me and everything, but I assumed that when you started this thread you were trying to make things at least semi-accurate. If you actually played the PCE game for more than a minute or two you'd know that it simply isn't an arcade sort of game. I haven't played the DBZ arcade games, but I played the shit out of the PCE game, and I can tell you for certain these are not screen shots of that game, or even that sort of game. The PCE game is 2.5D, and the arcade games (the first two listed there) are straight up 2D SFII clones. It takes over an hour to beat the arcade mode (at least) and the only guy you can play as is Goku. Left and right do not always make your guy move left and right. Right is always "advance", and left is always, "retreat". Holding one of the buttons makes your guy shoot fireballs non-stop untill he runs out of chi. It isn't an SFII clone. The characters scale in and out of the background and get so small you can barely see them shooting fireballs from the distance and stuff. What made you even think it was an arcade game in the first place? Just because it said, "Dragon Ball Z"? Shonen Jump was selling 16 million copies a week back then. They made a lot of DBZ junk. The Super Famicom games look a fuck of a lot more like these arcade games (the SFII style ones) but none of them are based on the arcade games either. Neither is the Mega Drive game.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/08/2008, 07:08 PM

Quote from: SinistronZeke- the pics of the one I posted def. looks like the same type game- I've seen pics of the pce one.  Looks more likely that its some sort of port than not.  Either way- you admit to only having seen one when there's several fighting Dragon Ball games on KLOV and pics of the cabinets- so I won't consider you an authority over them.  Sorry  :(.  Vote however you wish is all I can say.

Its not the same as any arcade game. I know you hate me and everything, but I assumed that when you started this thread you were trying to make things at least semi-accurate. If you actually played the PCE game for more than a minute or two you'd know that it simply isn't an arcade sort of game. I haven't played the DBZ arcade games, but I played the shit out of the PCE game, and I can tell you for certain these are not screen shots of that game, or even that sort of game. The PCE game is 2.5D, and the arcade games (the first two listed there) are straight up 2D SFII clones. It takes over an hour to beat the arcade mode (at least) and the only guy you can play as is Goku. Left and right do not always make your guy move left and right. Right is always "advance", and left is always, "retreat". Holding one of the buttons makes your guy shoot fireballs non-stop untill he runs out of chi. It isn't an SFII clone. The characters scale in and out of the background and get so small you can barely see them shooting fireballs from the distance and stuff. What made you even thing it was an arcade game in the first place? Just because it said, "Dragon Ball Z"? The Super Famicom games look a fuck of a lot more like these arcade games (the SFII style ones) but none of them are based on the arcade games. Neither is the Mega Drive game.

Well maybe it is a port and maybe it isn't.  I see a bunch of fighting games.  You admit to not having played the arcade so for you to keep arguing seems really juvenile.  Also- if I have to point out to you that a wide spectrum of ports differ in many ways- then you're an ever bigger fool than I take you for.  If someone here actually played the arcade ones and can verify that it is in no way a port of sorts- then I'll be grateful and strip it from the list.  I asked for correction on the initial post.  I don't see your views as correcting anything at the moment.  And I don't "hate" you Zeke- that's a strong word.  You actually are the cause for great laughter so I'd have to go with "liking" you more than "hating" you.  You definitely add to the experience.  :wink:

^^ You got schooled man, give it up.  Anybody can tell that DBZ on PCE is not a port of any arcade game.  By your logic I could say that TMNT on Gameboy was a port of the arcade game.

Space Harrier was a pathetic port.  They made everything so tiny, destroyed the graphics and sound.  Same can be said for most of the other Sega ports.  Hell, they deleted an entire round (3 stages + a boss fight) from Shinobi.

I voted for R-Type because it is better than the arcade.  Sure, it only has one layer of scrolling, but the music is shitloads better than the arcade, and in Japan they give you the option of buying only the good levels of the game (the first four) contained on one card.

I also voted for Galaga 88/90/96/whatever because it is awesome and extremely accurate to the arcade.  However I don't think that years should ever be attached to games.

And lastly I voted for Forgotten Worlds because the graphics are very accurate, minus the extra layers of scrolling.  Plus, I couldn't really think of anything better to vote for.

Thunder Blade shouldn't be on there, it's awful compared to After Burner which was an amazingly good rendition considering the vast, VAST difference between the PCE and Sega's Super-Scaler, twin 68000 'X-Board'.


I'm voting for R-Type though, because that game defined the PCE/TG16.

Depends on what games were most identical to the arcade or what games were just the most fun in general. I'm too lazy to vote now, but I think the Neo Geo ports are highly commendable for how well they ported them, especially compared to the crap on Genesis and SNES. I also think games like Xevious deserve the vote since they're easier games to port, hence more identical.

Quote from: GUTS on 04/09/2008, 01:36 AM^^ You got schooled man, give it up.  Anybody can tell that DBZ on PCE is not a port of any arcade game.

I got schooled? 

Have you played the arcade DBZ we're referring to?  No.  Otherwise you would have said so.  Neither you nor Zeta know anything about the arcade game's controls- so where is the reasoning behind this "school"ing you're referring to? 
Again- I'm not out to be argumentative here.  If someone shows me sound evidence behind the DBZ being in no way a port- I'll take it down- and I won't feel "schooled"- being that I'm definitely no expert on the subject nor have I claimed to be.  I'll feel informed- plain and simple. 

Zeke first seemed to know there was only one Dragon Ball Z arcade game and that it was a 1st person thing.  He was wrong.  There were three different arcade games- two of which were non 1st person fighters.  Then he's like oh the PCE one isn't a VS. one- but only the one NecroPhile linked to said VS. on it- the one I linked to didn't and looked more like the PCE one.  Then Zeta says he's no longer even sure if there's a versus mode on the PCE one or not.  No one even seems to consider the fact that regardless of the PCE game being a versus game or not means nothing- because we've seen time and time again PCE ports lose their two-player option.  Then he's jabbering about the controls on the PCE one which mean absolutely nothing being he has no clue how the arcade versions control. So basically this whole time he's saying sweet sweet nothing.  Yeah Guts- what a way to "school" me.  If you think that's "school"ing then you must be from one of those special schools.

Furthermore- the arcade one I was referring to and the PCE one both came out in 94- with the PCE one coming out late in the year.  So- the year, the fighting, the name, the look- all similar.  Innocent til proven guilty- or in this case- a port of sorts until proven not.  All of Zeke's points are assumptions- no real comparisons other than one's 2D and one's 2.5D.  I know Zeke wants to be crowned king of the Dragon Ball Z goobers- hell he's got a poster in his room- but Zeke all you proved is that you know less about the Dragon Ball Z's appearance in the arcade then you first let on.  I at the moment am none the wiser.

You guys have played the PCE one- fine.  You guys are great.  Play both of them and then tell me- I'll be more than happy to change it.  I am not one of these goobers that can't admit when I'm wrong- and hell I'm not even saying I'm right.  Until then it stays on the fucking poll- don't like it- make your own poll what can I tell you. 
After all the inconsistencies in the other recent polls I have to deal with two little babies without teething toast making a big deal over an arcade game that neither have played?  Wow man.  Guts- if you want to eagerly share the red ball nose with Zeke be my guest.

There's 107 other options on the poll to pick from.  Research your own goddamn poll this size in between doing actual work- and god forbid there's a questionable entry- I might come out of the dank underbelly devoid of sunlight to shit down your throat.

Quote from: Sinistron on 04/08/2008, 07:19 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/08/2008, 07:08 PM

Quote from: SinistronZeke- the pics of the one I posted def. looks like the same type game- I've seen pics of the pce one.  Looks more likely that its some sort of port than not.  Either way- you admit to only having seen one when there's several fighting Dragon Ball games on KLOV and pics of the cabinets- so I won't consider you an authority over them.  Sorry  :(.  Vote however you wish is all I can say.

Its not the same as any arcade game. I know you hate me and everything, but I assumed that when you started this thread you were trying to make things at least semi-accurate. If you actually played the PCE game for more than a minute or two you'd know that it simply isn't an arcade sort of game. I haven't played the DBZ arcade games, but I played the shit out of the PCE game, and I can tell you for certain these are not screen shots of that game, or even that sort of game. The PCE game is 2.5D, and the arcade games (the first two listed there) are straight up 2D SFII clones. It takes over an hour to beat the arcade mode (at least) and the only guy you can play as is Goku. Left and right do not always make your guy move left and right. Right is always "advance", and left is always, "retreat". Holding one of the buttons makes your guy shoot fireballs non-stop untill he runs out of chi. It isn't an SFII clone. The characters scale in and out of the background and get so small you can barely see them shooting fireballs from the distance and stuff. What made you even thing it was an arcade game in the first place? Just because it said, "Dragon Ball Z"? The Super Famicom games look a fuck of a lot more like these arcade games (the SFII style ones) but none of them are based on the arcade games. Neither is the Mega Drive game.

Well maybe it is a port and maybe it isn't.  I see a bunch of fighting games.  You admit to not having played the arcade so for you to keep arguing seems really juvenile.  Also- if I have to point out to you that a wide spectrum of ports differ in many ways- then you're an ever bigger fool than I take you for.  If someone here actually played the arcade ones and can verify that it is in no way a port of sorts- then I'll be grateful and strip it from the list.  I asked for correction on the initial post.  I don't see your views as correcting anything at the moment.  And I don't "hate" you Zeke- that's a strong word.  You actually are the cause for great laughter so I'd have to go with "liking" you more than "hating" you.  You definitely add to the experience.  :wink:

LOL on this one. You have Zeta,who at first states there wasn't any,then one,then after being schooled admits there are more then 1 DBZ titles released in the arcade. You have this same Zeta jumping all over Sini just because Sini didn't know??? Sini admitted he had only saw pics of the game,and went off of that. Simple mistake and doesn't deserve the asshole "Im smarter then you" attitude" or Gutts chiming in with

Quote from: GUTS on 04/09/2008, 01:36 AM^^ You got schooled man, give it up.  Anybody can tell that DBZ on PCE is not a port of any arcade game.  By your logic I could say that TMNT on Gameboy was a port of the arcade game.

. Thats like saying TMNT 2 Arcade game on Nes was a direct port,when infact its not even up to being a cookie cutter version of the arcade TMNT. Reworked sprites,move animation combos missing,graphics and audio cut down,charm gone,and the Nes one also played as stiff as a card board box.... The only thing really the same was the basic lay outs of bosses,and when things happened. DBZ wise,I mean seriously,if the only kinda pics going around are like these:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/pcengine_dbz6.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/pcengine_dbz5.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/pcengine_dbz4.jpg)
Then its kinda hard to tell wtf the controls or game plays like,because to be honest it looks like any other typical 2D DBZ fighter....  I mean incase you hadn't noticed Zeta,they recycle locations in the DBZ fighters so the backgrounds are going to look similar as the characters do too obviously. Its a honest mistake, simple as that. I mean Zeta,is this what its come to for you,you have no other way to get the 1up on any of us so you find a DBZ mistake and roll with it.

Not only that,but Zeta you admitted to not even knowing of other DBZ titles in the arcade at first,so your own knowledge was based on assumption,not experience. Same mistake as Sini except he admitted he never played them,and went by pics he had seen. The other titles had to be pointed out to you Zeta so your not the expert you try to come off as. To be honest too Zeta,time to grow up,theres better things to argue about then DBZ. Leave that to the kids on the DBZ forums,seriously,as I'm guessing you're almost 35-40,you're too old for that kinda shit.

You could have kindly pointed out you felt a mistake had been made,and present proof via FACTS,with out coming off as Mr. Smart ass the All knowing Pretender to the Throne of DBZ knowledge or trow a big rant as to why you felt you were right,because not knowing there were other DBZ titles in the arcades meant you could have just as easily been wrong yourself,since you went off of assumptions,not facts.

There be drama all up in da club.  :P

Cool poll Sin. :) I don't think I can ever get sick of them. lol

Like Keranu it was hard for me to decide whether or not I would vote for a game based on the fun factor, or based on how "arcade perfect" the game is.

Galaga 88/90 - It's pretty damn close to the arcade and I'm not sure why they just didn't go even further with it. The sound is a bit different on some things, the screen is a bit stretched (it would be nice if there was an arcade-mode for this game), and the animated aliens that talk in Japanese don't appear after each set of levels. A Super CD, or even just a regular CDROM2 would have created a "perfect" arcade port.

Rainbow Islands - I haven't played it myself on the Turbo/PCE, but I've seen plenty of clips. I have the arcade version on the Xbox Taito Legends collection and it's virtually identical. I don't think there is a difference at all. So this really is probably one of the most "perfect" ports out there.

Xevious - Come on...was there really any doubt?  :mrgreen: Granted by the time of the PCE port Xevious wasn't exactly technically advanced, but it was probably one of the first, if not the first (maybe MSX?) "arcade perfect" port of Xevious. I've even heard that the arcade game on the PCE port is actually better than the arcade. I look forward to seeing for myself. My brother has one of those Namco arcade joystick machines with Xevious on it and it sacrificed a few of the graphical niceties such as the glowing explosions. So, Xevious gets my vote. hehe

Others that I wanted to vote for were,

Ninja Spirit - I don't know why the arcade mode didn't have the time limit like in the arcade.  :-k Especially since they went out of their way to make a PCE mode.

Forgotten Worlds - pretty damned close - minus the parallax layers.

Neo Geo Ports - these are just plain impressive.  =P~

There was never any arcade version of Image Fight II, nor has there ever been any proof that NEXZR appeared in the arcades.  Also, Lode Runner came out on computers first, so the PCE version is not necessarily an arcade port.  Most likely not.

Also, Cratermaze is an arcade port, and it's missing from the list.  A pretty accurate port too. :D  But it doesn't matter, since there are 3 better ports that I voted for anyway.

Ahhh Boobie Kids or something like that right?  Yes I'll add Cratermaze.
Image Fight II and Nexzr I'm just going by Klov- there's not much proof they existed other than short mentions on webpages but there's not much proof they didn't.  Perhaps they only existed as prototypes- who knows.  Anyway I'm figuring that whatever criteria Klov has for deciding if an arcade game actually existed is a much better criteria than my own- so I'll go with them.

Yeah you're right about Lode Runner- gonna clip it. Even if the PCE one is based on an arcade one- the arcade one was based on the computer one which nullifies it. 

Also- I realize that Ninja Gaiden is a port of the NES one- I only added it feeling that the NES itself was a REALLY LOOSE port of the arcade- I've been informed however that the NES one was being programmed even before the arcade one came out- so I'll probably be chopping that one from the list as well.

Mike has also informed me that he HAS played all three Dragon Ball Z arcade games on MAME- and that though two of them look similar to the PCE one that he feels they are in no way a port.  Good enough for me.  Consider me informed.  Sorry it couldn't be you- Dragon Ball Zeke.  Mike is defintely more in the know having actually played them. Chopped from the list.

Another game to add to the list: Adventure Quiz Capcom World


I'm not suggesting the poll list be "fixed" or anything, but here are some more games that aren't straight ports of arcade games:


DOUBLE DRAGON II -port of the NES game which was not a port of the arcade DDII

TIGER ROAD -an original game, whether a sequel or a remake

Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari -if this is River City Ransom, I'm pretty sure it was never an arcade

RABBIT PUNCH (Rabio Lepus) -supposed to be an original game using some arcade assets

CLOUD MASTER (Chuka Taisen) -supposed to be an original game, (perhaps?)using some arcade assets

ALICE IN WONDERLAND (Marchen Maze) -I don't know about the content, but it went from a 3/4 perspective to a vertical scroller. Kinda like a "port" of Veiwpoint that's a vertical shooter.


I think that new versions of games that originated in the arcade are fine. But I wouldn't count something like the DBZ game or DNM/RSR.

You don't have to suggest the poll list be fixed or not- just chime in- I already said I'd fix it if I see it needs correction.

I never said anything about "straight" ports- just ports- they can be loose as hell- just as long as they're considered ports.  I hardly think that a perspective shift in Marchen Maze changes it from being a port.

Double Dragon II- yeah I considered that- but I consider the NES one a "loose" port so that's my reasoning- perhaps my reasoning doesn't agree with most people's here- but so be it.  The other games you mentioned are indeed ports (except for River City- open to debate and see link below)- in varying degrees of success.  A boss here and there changed around doesn't make it not a port.  Tiger Road looks completely different- probably plays different too- but Tiger Road existed as an arcade game alone- as far as I know it wasn't a cartoon or anything like that- so it is a port of the arcade.  A shitty port- but a port nonetheless- and both games are platforms featuring a bald dude jumping around with weapons.

River City Ransom- this is what I was looking at- http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8840 (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8840) It is open for debate- anyone play this in the arcade?

Also on the opening post I said no Quiz games.  That's tedious.
I also said on the post above yours that I got rid of DBZ due to Mike having played it and telling me he felt it wasn't a port.

Quote from: Sinistron on 04/09/2008, 12:20 PMRiver City Ransom- this is what I was looking at- http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8840 (http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8840) It is open for debate- anyone play this in the arcade?

Thats what I figured. Renegade is an original arcade game that saw ports and sequels to several consoles. But its only as connected to River City Ransom as Final Fight Revenge is to Street Fighter Alpha.

K- dropped from the list  :)

I REMOVED THE GAME BUT NOT BECAUSE YOU GUYS SAID TOO1!!!  ONLY BECAUSE MICHAEL SAID SO!!!!  lol.

laugh out low.  You're mad corny guts. 

But yeah- Mike played the games- you two were just being Moes.  Zeke trying to impress us with his actually unimpressive Dragon Ball Z knowledge- and you not having any points on anything whatsoever nor any actual reply to my response.  Just some lame ass school girl shit.  How about I steal your kinockas and pull your braids out.

Quote from: Sinistron on 04/09/2008, 02:58 PMlaugh out low.  You're mad corny guts. 

But yeah- Mike played the games- you two were just being Moes.  Zeke trying to impress us with his actually unimpressive Dragon Ball Z knowledge- and you not having any points on anything whatsoever nor any actual reply to my response.  Just some lame ass school girl shit.  How about I steal your kinockas and pull your braids out.

Yea Guts,we discussed it in shout box,tis one thing to speak from experience,but another entirely when Zeta didn't even know what all arcade titles were out there,so why should Sini take Zetas word when Zeta doesn't have all his shit straight? Incase you missed it Guts,Zetas been wrong about alot as of late,almost as if Zeta has been drinking too much self righteous "I think Im  always right" flavor Tom Cruse Kool Aid.

Fantasy Zone, Ninja Spirit, Side Arms.

Its pretty simple. If you play the PCE game you can tell instantly that it isn't an arcade game. There were also two Macross games released in arcades during the time period of the two Macross games on PCE, but if you play the PCE games its immediately obvious that they aren't ports of arcade games.

I seriously doubt that even half of the people on this forum have played both the arcade and PCE versions of even half of these games. That's obviously valuable experience, but not necessary in the more obvious cases.

Only it's not that simple- not when you're stating the case.  Add to the other things (you thought there was only one arcade port, you haven't played the arcade games, the pictures look similar enough to consider the possibility it is some sort of port, your not remembering if there was a versus mode) the fact that you said the PCE one has an arcade mode and what you stated about it didn't make me think there was definitely no relation.   As for the Macross- yeah- I saw the two arcade games for it and it was rather obvious they were in no way related to the PCE games- that's why I didn't put them on the list.  As for what's "obviously" an arcade game- all that's out the window when you see that there's an arcade simulation for walking a dog, dance dance revolution, a game where you simulate sticking your finger up the ass of an ex girlfriend and proceed to torture her- these would never have made for "obvious" arcade games and yet they exist- along with other bizarre arcade games.

Either way its off the list now since I was given solid information there is no relation.  That information didn't come from you- if it did I could have easily put all my feelings of your general boneheadedness aside and have changed it accordingly.  You failed.  Remind me to never have you on a debate team.   

I know you really want the last word here Zeke- maybe you can have it on your own thread- or maybe you could have had it here if you didn't come off so clueless.  Others here have easily corrected a few of the entries- you'll just have to try harder to appear you know what you're talking about- even if by slim chance you do.

You need to update the poll. Parasol Stars wasn't an arcade port. The PCE version was the original. There were rumors that there was an arcade version, but nobody has actually seen or produced any evidence of one. Everything I've read suggests that even if prototype arcade materials were produced, the PCE version was first, meaning it's not a port of anything, really, even if there is an arcade version.

Me and nat talked about this earlier on in the thread- it was listed on klov (and a member actually claims to own it) so I added it- though reluctantly.  Nat believes it existed as an arcade game in some form.

Thinking further on this though I probably should remove the games that aren't actually proven to exist- being that no one here has played them anyway - namely nexzr, parasol stars and image fight II.  It is quite dumb for me to have them up.  I'll take them down later.

While I'm fairly sure at least a prototype arcade version of BB3 existed, spenoza is probably right in that the Turbo version came first.

There are screenshots of the arcade version floating around out there if you look hard enough.

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Quote from: Sinistronthe fact that you said the PCE one has an arcade mode

Yeah, when was that?

QuoteI know you really want the last word here Zeke- maybe you can have it on your own thread- or maybe you could have had it here if you didn't come off so clueless. 

I don't see how it matters how clueless I am when all was saying is that the PCE game isn't an arcade game. I wasn't "trying to impress you", just stating a fact that I happen to know. Its not an arcade port. It was true then, and its true now that PCEngineHell has given you the official go-ahead. No matter what sort of long winded insulting dick post you create to respond to this you simply had an error in your little poll here. Same with the Turbokon thing. You were wrong about that too all along and if you were arguing with anyone but me you'd just admit it and move on just as you did with all the other corrections to your poll. I could have mentioned the Downtown thing too (and yes I have played that arcade game, but it hardly matters because the PCE game, originally an FC game, is obviously way too fucking long to be an arcade game) but I guessed someone else would tell you.

You simply like fucking with me. This is demonstrated in the fact that you are still going on and on and on about how I didn't know what I was talking about yet at the time time obviously agreeing with my original statement on some level because you took it off the list. It is your opinion that I am clueless, but its a fact that what I said was true. Its not a port. Looking back at my original post it seems pretty benign. Well, benign also also correct. I don't know why you had to jump on my shit like this.

So for the time being whenever its obvious that you and other guy are just going to run me into the ground for no fucking reason and totally derail the thread, I'm going to just have to contribute to some other thread unless there is some sort of meaningful stake in it (ie: the next time you two decide to save us from some innocent seller/modder and demonize the shit out of him). Its obvious that between you two you have enough time and energy to to type two posts to my every one which just ends up messing up the quality/crap ratio of a thread even more than two people fighting would.

Before you get to excited about that you though, just think about how much unwanted free time you guys are going to have. There are so many "scammers" to expose so you'll have to occupy your days with other stuff. Maybe you can help PCEngineHell rip that nasty-ass fake wood panelling off his walls.

I think you all are being a bit childish and need to chill out.

right here.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/09/2008, 10:19 PMIt takes over an hour to beat the arcade mode (at least) and the only guy you can play as is Goku.

Now if you meant the arcade GAME then you should know that the logical game to have an arcade mode would be a home console game.  
and this is exactly "how it matters how clueless" you are. Your thoughts are unintelligible.  

As for the turbokon thing- I was probably the least outspoken of those on the shoutbox at the time- definitely not enough for making some kind of point of it.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/09/2008, 10:19 PMI could have mentioned the Downtown thing too

I guess you really should have mentioned the downtown thing- none of this would ever have happened.  My poor poll is in tatters!   :cry:  What's a man to do?

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/09/2008, 10:19 PMYou simply like fucking with me.

Actually it grows wearisome. Anyone wanna take over?

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/09/2008, 10:19 PMI'm going to just have to contribute to some other thread unless there is some sort of meaningful stake in it

=D>

Anyway you're right rove it definitely is childish.  I'm done.  If anything else needs fixing just don't vote on it.  You now have free reign Zeke- your audience awaits you.  Put on a good show.

Super Volleyball, Golden Axe and Boxy Boy

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/09/2008, 10:19 PM

Quote from: Sinistronthe fact that you said the PCE one has an arcade mode

Yeah, when was that?

QuoteI know you really want the last word here Zeke- maybe you can have it on your own thread- or maybe you could have had it here if you didn't come off so clueless. 

I don't see how it matters how clueless I am when all was saying is that the PCE game isn't an arcade game. I wasn't "trying to impress you", just stating a fact that I happen to know. Its not an arcade port. It was true then, and its true now that PCEngineHell has given you the official go-ahead. No matter what sort of long winded insulting dick post you create to respond to this you simply had an error in your little poll here. Same with the Turbokon thing. You were wrong about that too all along and if you were arguing with anyone but me you'd just admit it and move on just as you did with all the other corrections to your poll. I could have mentioned the Downtown thing too (and yes I have played that arcade game, but it hardly matters because the PCE game, originally an FC game, is obviously way too fucking long to be an arcade game) but I guessed someone else would tell you.

You simply like fucking with me. This is demonstrated in the fact that you are still going on and on and on about how I didn't know what I was talking about yet at the time time obviously agreeing with my original statement on some level because you took it off the list. It is your opinion that I am clueless, but its a fact that what I said was true. Its not a port. Looking back at my original post it seems pretty benign. Well, benign also also correct. I don't know why you had to jump on my shit like this.

So for the time being whenever its obvious that you and other guy are just going to run me into the ground for no fucking reason and totally derail the thread, I'm going to just have to contribute to some other thread unless there is some sort of meaningful stake in it (ie: the next time you two decide to save us from some innocent seller/modder and demonize the shit out of him). Its obvious that between you two you have enough time and energy to to type two posts to my every one which just ends up messing up the quality/crap ratio of a thread even more than two people fighting would.

Before you get to excited about that you though, just think about how much unwanted free time you guys are going to have. There are so many "scammers" to expose so you'll have to occupy your days with other stuff. Maybe you can help PCEngineHell rip that nasty-ass fake wood panelling off his walls.

Zeta,I simply don't get it. You clearly hate most of the people here,so why stick around,just to fight? Whens the last time you did  a positive post on a good thread? I cant even count the friends you have here with one hand...
Most people would simply move on else where if they didn't like the guy starting the thread and had no interest in sticking to the subject. I noticed something too,we don't go about trying to hijack or destroy any threads you have started. Then again,I don't think you start much if any.

If you want  ahead to head,you can always start your own thread and say what you like about us,we can debate there,esp on some of the subjects you mentioned above that have no place in this thread,or via pm either way if the mods don't have a issue with it. Otherwise no point in you going out of your way to derail others normal threads or try to belittle people with your know it all powers.

Zeta,its clear you are mainly concerned with getting the last word in,it seems very important to you as of late to 1up Sini,me,Nat,Rover,Nectarsis,Busted,whoever,and your not even sticking to the subject of this thread
in your post,even debate/argument wise.  Just remember Zeta,you can get lots of last words in,but you are foolish to think they are always going to be the right words or taht anyone is going to pay attention to you all the time.

                                                                                               

That's enough now - get back on topic.  You can PM people for a reason.

Quote from: VestCunt on 04/09/2008, 11:28 PMSuper Volleyball, Golden Axe and Boxy Boy

Sweet jeebus, now I've heard everything.  You did notice that it's for the best PCE arcade port, not the worst, right?  :lol:

Just yanking your chain a bit, but I do have a serious question about Boxy Boy: does the arcade original have fewer levels than the PCE version or have some sort of level warp?  If not, that would be one long ass game.

Quote from: guest on 04/10/2008, 12:49 AM

Quote from: guest on 04/09/2008, 11:28 PMSuper Volleyball, Golden Axe and Boxy Boy

Sweet jeebus, now I've heard everything.  You did notice that it's for the best PCE arcade port, not the worst, right?  :lol:

Just yanking your chain a bit, but I do have a serious question about Boxy Boy: does the arcade original have fewer levels than the PCE version or have some sort of level warp?  If not, that would be one long ass game.

LOL yea I was thinking he must be joking myself. Not horrible games,but just cant move them up ahead of many of the titles on the poll even in a best case scenero,ect.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/10/2008, 12:49 AM

Quote from: VestCunt on 04/09/2008, 11:28 PMSuper Volleyball, Golden Axe and Boxy Boy

Sweet jeebus, now I've heard everything.  You did notice that it's for the best PCE arcade port, not the worst, right?  :lol:

Good eye.
Yes, these polls are ridiculous are subversive action must be taken. :)

Quote from: VestCunt on 04/10/2008, 02:04 AM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/10/2008, 12:49 AM

Quote from: VestCunt on 04/09/2008, 11:28 PMSuper Volleyball, Golden Axe and Boxy Boy

Sweet jeebus, now I've heard everything.  You did notice that it's for the best PCE arcade port, not the worst, right?  :lol:

Good eye.
Yes, these polls are ridiculous are subversive action must be taken. :)

The PCE Golden Axe is my favorite version of the game. I don't consider it a good port, but I still get a lot of entertainment value out of it.

Now that we're back on track-
I never got a chance to explain my own picks.

Gradius: Back in the NES days for me, it was always the Konami games to watch out for first.  They obviously had some of the best and biggest selling titles.  For the Turbografx- we were flat out robbed of that.  When I finally got my diving board converter this system finally opened up in all the right ways- and Gradius was the first Konami title I bought.  It's an incredible little hucard and it represents for me a big part of my love for the PCE- getting to see all of the classic titles that Nintendo robbed us of in America.

Rainbow Islands: I'm torn between liking Parasol Stars or Rainbow Islands more- Probably would have voted for Parasol Stars since it's a greater use of a hucard than Rainbow Islands is of a CD- but since Parasol Stars is no longer on the list and probably shouldn't have been listed in the first place- Rainbow Islands it is.  These Bubble Bobble games are some of the best fun to be had on the system- even if Rainbow Islands is unfortunately only a one player game.

R-Type: Back in the day I'd religiously be at a neighborhood pizzeria- hypnotized by the R-Type arcade game.  I sucked at it then- even suck at it now- but it didn't matter.  the music, the enemies, the backgrounds, the power-ups- it all pulled me in.  I can honestly say that I do not want to beat this game, I don't want to memorize the patterns or anything.  I want to always view it as this mythic ironclad monster that is bigger than life- that will squash me like a grape while I stare up at it in awe.  That said- the port is excellent.

The screenshots I've seen labeled arcade are usually not large enough for me to distinguish whether they are actually any different from PC engine screen shots. I mean, we all remember the SuperGrafx shots of Strider from EGM, right?

I think what frustrates me most is that the following claim from the Wikipedia article HAS NO SOURCES! I want to know the source so I can find out more.

"There are rumors about prototypes for an arcade version, which appear to be false; Taito has officially stated that an arcade game was never produced. Mick West (who was the programmer of the Amiga and Atari ST versions) stated that they ported the game directly from the PC Engine and that "no coin-op of the game exists". Apparently, Taito just sent Ocean Software some artwork to work with."

I also found the following blurb near the bottom of http://unmamed.mame.net/non_taito.html.

"Parasol Stars (Taito [ever finished/released?], 89)
This game was simply the PC-Engine / Turbografx version in an arcade cabinet. I remember myself around the time of the system's US launch that a local arcade had Victory Run and Galaga '90 - both in a cabinet advertising the Turbografx-16 system. So the same must have been true of Parasol Stars.
Just for curiosity's sake, I was sent this page in Spanish which seems to say that a picture of the arcade version was found on Bubble Bobble HQ. Thanks to Pedro for the English translation.
More information from Sixtoe and R. Belmont:
[sixtoe] We know for sure that there was never a parasol stars arcade pcb now, it was a console in a cab used for location testing, this came from the programmers themselves.
[rbelmont] From the actual Taito programmers, incidentally, so that's 100% official info.
Info from Andy:
I remember seeing this game in Morcam, Lancashire, England a seaside resort in one of its many arcades. I know this does not help much. But it does prove it has been seen out there by at least one other person.."

Quote from: nat on 04/09/2008, 08:29 PMWhile I'm fairly sure at least a prototype arcade version of BB3 existed, spenoza is probably right in that the Turbo version came first.

There are screenshots of the arcade version floating around out there if you look hard enough.