Ok so show or tell us about your ride, good or bad?nothing special here but my burnt orange Saturn SC2 coupe :P It has some nice 17 inch bsa gun metal rims on it but thats about it?damn good on gas with my 150km in total drive in & back to work i do each day.
I wish this was my car but it is the same model & colour at least :D love my suicide door!!! can get a lot of shit in it surprisingly!!
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and yes the better the car the smaller the penis size :P
so what do ya drive? do tell.
If were basing better car=smaller penis, I drive:
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Seriously though...I have a '99 Chevy Prizm 5 speed, and the fiance and I have a '05 Kia soccer van.
I drive a giant grey 1996 dodge ram 1500 van. It has been modified with a cd player and flowmaster muffler, wow cool dude! It doesn't have windows in the back, so you can cack hoes back thur :wink:
I drive a black '92 Miata SE. I just got it last week though. For the last 6 years I drove a black '86 VW GTI, before that an '85 Jetta.
QuoteIf were basing better car=smaller peins, I drive (pic of Zastava hatchback)...seriosly though...I have a '99 Chevy Prizm 5 speed, and the fiance and I have a '05 Kia soccer van.
Honestly, I'd rather have the Yugo. At least you get some seriously legit eastern block proletariat heritage. Also, with out without the giant penis its like plus 1000 scene points.
I drive a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee its got a lot of miles and some rust but its paid for and the insurance is cheap. :lol:
My wife just got a 2008 Ford Edge which if am lucky i get to drive sometimes and its a pretty nice ride. :D
I have a 1992 Acura Legend. Due to an accident, one door is slightly off color relative to the rest of the car (it's mostly silver, the one door is beige)
It gets 20 miles to the gallon, and it's mine. :)
2007 Silverado. Nothing special. Just standard white and single cab -like the old days.. when trucks had single cabs.
Quote from: guyjin on 05/15/2008, 09:12 AMI have a 1992 Acura Legend. Due to an accident, one door is slightly off color relative to the rest of the car (it's mostly silver, the one door is beige)
It gets 20 miles to the gallon, and it's mine. :)
I once had an '82 Escort that was all yellow but with one black door. Anytime I was on the road after midnight I could almost guarantee being pulled over by the cops. It just screamed "drunk".
On the Yugo note-- I wanted a Yugo for years and years. When I first got my driver's license I wanted to get one and paint flames on the side just because that would have been..... awesome. To this day, I never fulfilled that fantasy.
The Ford & the Yamaha are up for sale now.
2000 Ford Ranger -- got me around fine all these years...
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190509223417im_/http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/wspark/ranger1.jpg)
2001 Ducati 996 -- right after I got it in 2003. Complete with chicken strips!
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190509223417im_/http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/wspark/103-0321_IMG.jpg)
1990 Yamaha FZR600 -- with the enduro light mod.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190509223419im_/http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/wspark/FZR600001.jpg)
I drive people to the brink of insanity. It's fun.
Quote from: termis on 05/15/2008, 11:30 AM2001 Ducati 996 -- right after I got it in 2003. Complete with chicken strips!
WTF are chicken strips? :-s
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/15/2008, 11:16 AMI once had an '82 Escort that was all yellow but with one black door. Anytime I was on the road after midnight I could almost guarantee being pulled over by the cops. It just screamed "drunk".
Haven't been pulled over in this car yet. Even though one of my turn signals is busted.
(also, my accident had nothing to do with booze, as I don't drink. It had to do with snow and a hill.)
nothin' but my bicycle :mrgreen:
Quote from: guyjin on 05/15/2008, 12:15 PMWTF are chicken strips? :-s
Quote from: wikipediaA chicken strip is a sometimes derogatory term used to describe the width of unused tread on the edges of motorcycle tires... ...chicken strips mark an inexperienced motorcyclist who is afraid to lean a motorcycle far enough to wear the edges of the tire
I essentially "rescued" the bike from someone who wasn't using the motorcycle anywhere near its potential.
Taking that bike to its full potential outside of a track environment is pretty much just total stupidity.
Quote from: guest on 05/15/2008, 11:58 AMI drive people to the brink of insanity. It's fun.
hahaha!! =D>
I drive a black '96 Jetta GL. She's in better shape than when I first got her - total body work and new paint job. She's getting a completely new floor on Saturday. So she'll be virtually rust free. :dance: :dance: The only part that has some rust is a little patch inside the gas tank door. I'll take care of that when it finally rusts through.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/15/2008, 01:11 PMTaking that bike to its full potential outside of a track environment is pretty much just total stupidity.
:lol: Won't disagree with you there.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/15/2008, 01:11 PMTaking that bike to its full potential outside of a track environment is pretty much just total stupidity.
True, but there's a ton of fun to be had in the zone between 'full potential' and 'full grandma'.
I'm still riding my horsey ('02 Mustang) and bicycle, though rarely at the same time. A motorbike keeps looking better and better as the price of petrol keep climbing. What kind of mileage do you get with those motorized sin machines, termis?
Quote from: guest on 05/15/2008, 01:36 PMWhat kind of mileage do you get with those motorized sin machines, termis?
About ~40 mpg / 5.5L/100km for regular street duties. You can probably expect 40-50mpg for most bikes.
That said, I think full-on motorcycles are horrible when it comes to A-B transportation. You gotta unlock everything, gear up, deal with shitty weather, and plus it's more tiring commuting on motorcycles than on cars.
Hence, I only use mine for weekend/track riding and that's it.
Scooters are a bit more forgiving. I might buy one of those bigger scoots (400cc+) for basic A-B transportation once I move on down to a place where it's a bit more conducive to year-round riding.
What I really wish they had a lot more of vehicles like what I had in Japan in these shores -- city cars/kei cars. My Mitsubishi Minica had a 660cc (yeah, a 0.66 liter engine!) inline-triple. Rock-solid, and got me around to all the places I needed to, obviously got fantastic mileage, and I didn't have to deal with the hassles of motorcycle commuting pointed out above.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/wspark/frontofhouseandcar.jpg)
Horse drawn cart.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20040124010835im_/http://www.staffspasttrack.org.uk:80/exhibit/coal/images/transport/horse/BJ3cart-114.jpg)
'08 Honda Civic EX coupe (manual transmission):
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The boring story of how I wrecked my '03 Honda Civic EX (https://web.archive.org/web/20081211015237if_/http://www.joeredifer.com/site/wreck/wreck.html)
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Ugh. I hate hearing about car accidents. I was in one a few years ago. It's not fun.
Anyway, nice new wheels. :) It's good to see Honda finally putting out some stylish cars again. They went through a serious ugly phase for a while there.
I'll post some pics of my car this weekend after her surgery. But I really know what you mean about loving your car. I'm the same way. I would literally cry for days if something happened to her.
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/15/2008, 06:39 PMThe boring story of how I wrecked my '03 Honda Civic EX (https://web.archive.org/web/20081211015237if_/http://www.joeredifer.com/site/wreck/wreck.html)
Whoa man, that was a pretty big one. :shock: Those crumple zones
really make it crumple!
1998 Mitsubishi Mirage Technica, mostly white. :D Missing both front blinkers due to accidents, and the front bumper is literally stitched together. Tomorrow, if I remember and have the time, I'll shoot some photos of "Frankencar". She's got about 191K miles on her, and my Eastern Exile, my once-per-week two-day work trip to the east of PR, is about 260 miles in total. She gets about 30MPG on average.
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/15/2008, 06:39 PMThe boring story of how I wrecked my '03 Honda Civic EX (http://www.joeredifer.com/site/wreck/wreck.html)
WOW... i cringed when i saw those wreck picts man, holy what a hit!!!!
I have been in 2 accidents myself with another saturn i had, it happens so quick and you want to rewind time and make a different decision when it does happen :roll: ... but your new car is a beauty man.!!!
Just the other day we picked up a honda brochure, interested in the hybrid civic, a bit expensive but with gas prices my wife and i are really thinking about it.
I drive a dogged green Suzuki Esteem-
I think they skimped out on the Esteem part though :|
Red 92 Ford Ranger(from when Mazda made the engines for them), & it just rolled over 100,000 a month ago! I only drive it to & from work, & occasionally to pick up heavy stuff from Home Depot/Lowes. Oh yeah, manual transmission.
I drive a black BMW 525i with manual transmission. No acceleration but you can feel its power an the highway :-({|=
Quote from: termis on 05/15/2008, 02:24 PMQuote from: guest on 05/15/2008, 01:36 PMWhat kind of mileage do you get with those motorized sin machines, termis?
About ~40 mpg / 5.5L/100km for regular street duties. You can probably expect 40-50mpg for most bikes.
That said, I think full-on motorcycles are horrible when it comes to A-B transportation. You gotta unlock everything, gear up, deal with shitty weather, and plus it's more tiring commuting on motorcycles than on cars.
Hence, I only use mine for weekend/track riding and that's it.
Scooters are a bit more forgiving. I might buy one of those bigger scoots (400cc+) for basic A-B transportation once I move on down to a place where it's a bit more conducive to year-round riding.
What I really wish they had a lot more of vehicles like what I had in Japan in these shores -- city cars/kei cars. My Mitsubishi Minica had a 660cc (yeah, a 0.66 liter engine!) inline-triple. Rock-solid, and got me around to all the places I needed to, obviously got fantastic mileage, and I didn't have to deal with the hassles of motorcycle commuting pointed out above.
You can actually buy kei cars in the US now...well, sort of. Basically the kei regs have moved "upscale" so much in Japan now that the bodies can pass NHSTA standards. You can't get the really puny engines though. The Honda Fit (decended from the classic Honda City) is sold in the US with a "huge" 1.5 liter. Of course with todays management and aerodynamic technology it probably gets better economy than the original City did, or about the same.
Quote from: termis on 05/15/2008, 02:24 PMQuote from: NecroPhile on 05/15/2008, 01:36 PMWhat kind of mileage do you get with those motorized sin machines, termis?
About ~40 mpg / 5.5L/100km for regular street duties. You can probably expect 40-50mpg for most bikes.
That said, I think full-on motorcycles are horrible when it comes to A-B transportation. You gotta unlock everything, gear up, deal with shitty weather, and plus it's more tiring commuting on motorcycles than on cars.
Hence, I only use mine for weekend/track riding and that's it.
Scooters are a bit more forgiving. I might buy one of those bigger scoots (400cc+) for basic A-B transportation once I move on down to a place where it's a bit more conducive to year-round riding.
What I really wish they had a lot more of vehicles like what I had in Japan in these shores -- city cars/kei cars. My Mitsubishi Minica had a 660cc (yeah, a 0.66 liter engine!) inline-triple. Rock-solid, and got me around to all the places I needed to, obviously got fantastic mileage, and I didn't have to deal with the hassles of motorcycle commuting pointed out above.
That's not quite as good as mileage as I hoped, but still way better than I get now. It'd be fun to ride on the sunny days, though it'd take forever to save enough gas to offset the initial cost, so I'm probably better off saving my pennies and dreaming.
Check out the overpriced Smart fourtwo for 1 liter and three cylinders of fury; available at a local dealer now! :lol:
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/15/2008, 06:39 PMThe boring story of how I wrecked my '03 Honda Civic EX (http://www.joeredifer.com/site/wreck/wreck.html)
Good to hear that nobody was seriously hurt, but the owner of the Jeep was one creepy bastard. What kind of sick fuck gets a couple of teenagers liquored up and lets 'em drive? Expect to see the tool bag having a conversation with Chris Hansen sometime in the near future.
Quote from: ceti alpha on 05/15/2008, 07:32 PMAnyway, nice new wheels. :) It's good to see Honda finally putting out some stylish cars again. They went through a serious ugly phase for a while there.
Civics are nice on the outside, but they're ugly on the inside. Whoever designed those dashes should be severely beaten with an overripe banana.
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 05/16/2008, 01:29 AMRed 92 Ford Ranger(from when Mazda made the engines for them), & it just rolled over 100,000 a month ago! I only drive it to & from work, & occasionally to pick up heavy stuff from Home Depot/Lowes. Oh yeah, manual transmission.
Not that it really matters, but those engines are 100% Ford. The four pot was a T88 originally developed for the Pinto, the 4.0 V6 was a Taunus engine originally from Germany, and the 3.0 V6 was a Vulcan motor from the Taurus. You're likely thinking of the manual tranny (M5OD), which indeed was (and still is) sourced from Mazda. It's too bad that Ford let the Ranger wither on the vine; it's still a pretty competent and reliable little truck, which is surprising considering how little development has gone into it over the last 25 years.
Why do people like Manual transmissions so much? I know how to drive with them, but I don't like to, just because they're a nuissance.
Why don't you use a Action Replay every time you play a video game? I find finite lives to be a nuisance.
I'd rather just not even drive that drive a car with an automatic. I don't want connivence features in a car that make me do less. I drive to drive. If I'm not going to be absorbed into the driving experience, I might as well walk.
In addition to sucking all the fun out of driving, they also suck all the power, speed, and fuel out of a car.
Now, this is coming from me, a person who likes BMW M3s, Miatas, GTIs, etc. If your favorite car is a Rolls Royce, then obviously anything but an auto is stupid. However if your favorite car is a Rolls Royce than I don't see why you don't just stay at home on the couch...there isn't much difference.
I don't like driving. I drive because I have to.
Quote from: guyjin on 05/16/2008, 12:34 PMWhy do people like Manual transmissions so much? I know how to drive with them, but I don't like to, just because they're a nuissance.
I like 'em because they're cheaper, more efficient, and allow for easy engine braking. Drive one for a while and shifting will become second nature and no longer a nuisance. That is assuming that you're not a pirate with a peg leg and a hook hand; if you are, maybe the parrot would help.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/16/2008, 12:43 PMIn addition to sucking all the fun out of driving, they also suck all the power, speed, and fuel out of a car.
I used to think the same way, but there's a few cars that I'd accept with an automatic: namely those with true manual gear selection that will not shift until told to do so. Many AMG offerings would be horrible with a stick, as the only clutch that could withstand their massive torque and remain reliable would be too stiff to be fun (she's
never said that). I also like some sequential transmissions; the one from vee dub is buttery smooth and shifts far quicker than I ever could, but BMW's is a piece of shift (ha-ha).
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/16/2008, 12:43 PMWhy don't you use a Action Replay every time you play a video game? I find finite lives to be a nuisance.
I'd rather just not even drive that drive a car with an automatic. I don't want connivence features in a car that make me do less. I drive to drive. If I'm not going to be absorbed into the driving experience, I might as well walk.
In addition to sucking all the fun out of driving, they also suck all the power, speed, and fuel out of a car.
Now, this is coming from me, a person who likes BMW M3s, Miatas, GTIs, etc. If your favorite car is a Rolls Royce, then obviously anything but an auto is stupid. However if your favorite car is a Rolls Royce than I don't see why you don't just stay at home on the couch...there isn't much difference.
Anymore the difference for most cars power, MPG, and speed make very little difference between manual, and auto. I LOVE my stick, and despise the fact manual is a dying breed.
QuoteAnymore the difference for most cars power, MPG, and speed make very little difference between manual, and auto. I LOVE my stick, and despise the fact manual is a dying breed.
On paper this is true. Acceleration times and IM240/EPA tests indicate similar, if not better acceleration and MPG with todays autos. Its kind of misleading though. There is a lot more to the idea of "performance" than the simple hole shot, and those autos that beat the manuals in MPG (the current Civic, for example) are programmed specifically to pass that test, not to actually get better MPG in the real world.
That being said, the only auto I would consider in a car I would actually buy would be Borg Warner's DSG found in most VW/Audi sport models these days. Its the only one that will actually let you downshift when you want to. In something like a Fit, the fucker won't go into 2nd until its going about 10mph, which would make high speed cornering impossible. In most cars the sequential shift option is just something for idiots to fuck with while they are driving. It won't put you into the proper gear for a corner exit during braking like a DSG or full manual would. Safety isn't the only reasons motorcycles never have an auto trans.
Still, as great as the DSG is, I'd take the standard shifter on a new GTI or A4 since I almost shat myself after seeing a cutaway of a DSG. Its NASA-grade complexity inside! Also, buttons are no fun. Also, $900 cheaper.
And as has been said, manuals are a dying breed. In the coming years they will be no longer availible because putting that much control into the hands of the driver makes fuel economy a wild card. By the time I'm 50 there won't be any fully manual transmissions or convertible tops, and GPS trackers will be installed in every new car by law.
These are the halcyon days...live it up.
Quote from: nectarsis on 05/16/2008, 01:31 PMdespise the fact manual is a dying breed.
it is? Seemed like EVERYONE in Japan and Europe had manuals, at least when I was there.
In the U.S.
Agree with both points about manual/standard. I'd get an auto for 90% of the cars out there (so much for my truck being a manual 8-[). I simply don't care too much for shifting manually for basic transportation-type cars.
But for a "driver's car", there's no other way than a standard. It reminds me of an RX7 I recently saw with an auto tranny in it. Why the hell would you buy an RX7 with an auto transmission?
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/16/2008, 10:03 AMYou can actually buy kei cars in the US now...well, sort of. ...The Honda Fit (decended from the classic Honda City) is sold in the US with a "huge" 1.5 liter.
Fit isn't
quite the kei-car -- it always had a 1.x liter engine, which would've been way too big for the kei-car class in the first place. The Fit is a step-up from the Honda Life, which is a true kei car -- a touch smaller in dimesions, with the kei-car compliant tiny engine.
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And talking about mileage, I recall certain models of metros were listed at an EPA 49~59 mpg in the early-mid 90's, then cars obtaining such mileage were never heard of again until the hybrids came in. Well, shit, if they can import such fuel efficient cars back then, why not now? No gasoline cars here these days (and even majority of hybrids) get anywhere near that mileage these days.
Quote from: guest on 05/16/2008, 10:40 AMThat's not quite as good as mileage as I hoped, but still way better than I get now. It'd be fun to ride on the sunny days, though it'd take forever to save enough gas to offset the initial cost, so I'm probably better off saving my pennies and dreaming.
The gay little 49cc scooters get like 110~120 mpg. :D (Gay as it may be, I wouldn't mind owning one if I were back in California or something.)
Quote from: termis on 05/16/2008, 04:19 PMAnd talking about mileage, I recall certain models of metros were listed at an EPA 49~59 mpg in the early-mid 90's, then cars obtaining such mileage were never heard of again until the hybrids came in. Well, shit, if they can import such fuel efficient cars back then, why not now? No gasoline cars here these days (and even majority of hybrids) get anywhere near that mileage these days.
That's an easy one to answer: nobody wanted one then and nobody wants one now. A '92 Geo Metro with a manual tranny was rated at 46 mpg city and 50 mpg highway, but the EPA estimates show it down to 38/45 mpg if tested under current rules; opting for an auto. dropped mileage down to 31/35 mpg (new rules). As you can see, real world mileage wasn't that great when compared to a current compact car, especially considering the nose dive that its mileage would take if it were updated to pass current emissions and safety requirements. Compare that old pile to a Toyota Yaris: the Yaris gets 29/36 mpg (1 mpg less for slushboxes), yet it's 600lbs heavier, a foot and a half longer, a bit taller and wider, and twice as powerful. Truthfully, today's compacts are more efficient than ever and would likely surpass the unrealistic mileage estimates of 80's shit boxes, if it weren't for the power and creature comforts that most buyers demand (as well as safety and emissions equipment). Christ on a cracker; I sound like a car salesman, except I'm not lying. Would anyone like to buy this car? It's a real beaut and was only driven by a little old lady to church on Sundays. :wink:
1996 Honda Civic Hatchback
2006 Honda Odyssey
:)
Back in the day:
1982 Datsun 200SX (loved that car -- I had the "copper" color)
1975 Cadillac DeVille (I had an 8-track to cassette tape adapter... but the adapter didn't fit! So it was 8-tracks and radio for me)
Quote from: guyjinWhy do people like Manual transmissions so much?
I like them because it feels like I am in far more control over the car. It helps keep you a bit more alert as to what is going on around you. Let's not forget the better gas mileage and other fun benefits. I freak out when I drive an automatic because they creep forward unless I put my foot on the brake. One time when I had to get a rental car, I could not figure out how to turn the damn thing on. Turns out you have to put your foot on the brake as you turn the ignition. Silly me, and I even used to own a car with an automatic transmission (don't make me post pics!)
Regardless of what you prefer, it is definitely recommended to learn how to drive a manual transmission. You never know when a situation might arise when you will be required to drive a car that is manual!
I hate using manual transmission in driving games!
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/16/2008, 09:30 PMOne time when I had to get a rental car, I could not figure out how to turn the damn thing on. Turns out you have to put your foot on the brake as you turn the ignition. Silly me
haha...... its ok man i did the same damn thing on an auto rental i got in Nove Scotia a few years back, all i drive is a standard :D
I just love the standard drive... and yes it is a cheaper option when you buy but if you wear it out you will be dropping another grand at least for it to be replaced. My old 93 saturn plum colored coupe had a whopping 420,000 KM (whatever that is in miles to my U.S brothers) and at that millage i finally burnt out my first clutch on it!!!, it just got me home that day, had only the first and second gear, rpm's very screaming!!!!:lol:
its nice to to see we have some people that love there cars here :D any dream cars out there you would love to have????
here is mine... the right colour and the right model... 69 Corvette and it is for sale For the low, low price of .... 33k :shock:
i love Corvette's, the newer models especially but they are so far out of my reach... but one day...one day!!!! my just wife hates them, could be a problem :roll:
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x114/sparkss_photo/IMG_5377.jpg)
Quote from: guest on 05/16/2008, 09:45 PMany dream cars out there you would love to have????
Hachi Roku!!!
Quote from: turbo D on 05/16/2008, 09:47 PMQuote from: guest on 05/16/2008, 09:45 PMany dream cars out there you would love to have????
Hachi Roku!!!
LOL. I actually heard that Initial D totally drove up the cost of those cars in Japan. I even recall seeing one that was a "replica" of the anime car somewhere in Japan, complete with Fujiwhatever Tofu shop stickers and all. I thought that was kinda lame, but hey, whatever works for the owner!
That said, a dream car... Hmm... Well, I'm not really into super-duper exotics, but if I had unlimited garage space/money, some of them would be:
- Ford GT40
- First generation RX-7's
- Ferrari F355
- '88 Pontiac Fiero GT
- 2nd gen Toyota MR2
(Yeah, I like light, nimble-handling cars)
- and a few kei-cars here and there! :D
As for outright performance, I'm a bike guy, so a Ducati Desmocedici RR would do the trick nicely. :D (This thing has about ~200hp, weighing in at about ~380lbs. That's a 1:1.9 to hp:weight ratio -- think of your average sedan weighting about 3000lbs+ and do the math. :D
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o90/thumpin_termis/800px-2007DucatiDesmosediciRR-002.jpg)
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/16/2008, 09:30 PMQuote from: guyjinWhy do people like Manual transmissions so much?
I like them because it feels like I am in far more control over the car. It helps keep you a bit more alert as to what is going on around you.
I find it distracting. Not only do I have to worry about the cars around me, and how fast I'm going, while manipulating the wheel, blinker, break, or gas, I have to worry about weather I'm in the right gear, and have to manipulate a clutch AND the shifter (couldn't the clutch just be a switch on the shifter itself?)
QuoteRegardless of what you prefer, it is definitely recommended to learn how to drive a manual transmission. You never know when a situation might arise when you will be required to drive a car that is manual!
I already know how, but I dread having to use that terrible knowledge. :P
QuoteI hate using manual transmission in driving games!
I thought manuals were supposed to be more 'fun'? :p
Quote from: termis on 05/16/2008, 11:01 PMQuote from: turbo D on 05/16/2008, 09:47 PMQuote from: guest on 05/16/2008, 09:45 PMany dream cars out there you would love to have????
Hachi Roku!!!
LOL. I actually heard that Initial D totally drove up the cost of those cars in Japan. I even recall seeing one that was a "replica" of the anime car somewhere in Japan, complete with Fujiwhatever To
The cost of an '85-87 Corolla GTS in the US that hasn't rusted out, or been pimped mercilessly with sticky-back Autozone parts, or wrecked is actually pretty high. Way higher than the original asking price, that's for sure.
Its a great car that is extremely easy to drive hard, but the truth is that if you don't need a back seat a Mk1 Miata is a car that behaves very similarly, and costs a lot less to own, modify, etc. since they are way more common. The Miata's engine isn't quite as free revving as a 4AGE, but it has at least 20 more HP (depending on year) which goes a long way in a car that weighs 900kg. The 4.30:1 final drive helps a lot too.
Quote from: guest on 05/16/2008, 09:45 PMits nice to to see we have some people that love there cars here :D any dream cars out there you would love to have????
There are several:
A 1989 BMW M3 merged with a 325ix. This would be a 4WD M3, in other words.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20070308122149im_/http://www.channel4.com:80/4car/media/100-greatest/03-large/18-bmw-m3.jpg)
A 1976 VW Golf GTI with no radio.
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A MK1 Miata with a 13B (non-turbo) rotary.
...everyone knows what these look like...
Ford RS200.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510010633im_/https://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/144231386_499929dfdf.jpg?v=0)
Peugeot 205T16 Evolution.
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MG Metro 6R4.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20120214152919im_/http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1105/1469308565_fc7169f0b8.jpg)
Audi RS4 (avante, of course, because we all need a 400+ HP wagon)
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Alpha Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Alfa_Romeo_1300_Junior_GTA.JPG)
Quote from: guyjin on 05/16/2008, 12:49 PMI don't like driving. I drive because I have to.
You & me both! Whenever the wife n' I are driving somewhere, I let her do the driving, I just HATE driving.....mainly because of other drivers on the road, that either go too fast, or too slow. It's annoying.
You know with gas prices going up like crazy these days, I think a lot of you are going to have a hell of a time keeping a roof over your head. :shock:
Quote from: Nintega Grafx Duo on 05/17/2008, 07:38 AMYou know with gas prices going up like crazy these days, I think a lot of you are going to have a hell of a time keeping a roof over your head. :shock:
Bah, people exaggerate. People also waste. I get 30+MPG in the sorts of cars I drive. This works out to be about $25 a week or less. That's less than I spend on just about anything else I buy.
I actually welcome increased gas prices. Once it hits $10 a gallon the Ford Expeditions and Suburban will be done forever. Converted to...duck blinds...or something. I can't wait!
at that kind of price, the plastics that house our electronic goods start to get scary expensive.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/17/2008, 11:04 AMOnce it hits $10 a gallon the Ford Expeditions and Suburban will be done forever. Converted to...duck blinds...or something. I can't wait!
Everyone buys these fucking 40 foot long gas guzzlers, just because having a big SUV is "in," and then they complain about high gas prices. 9 out of 10 times it's some little 5'1" woman in this huge 18-seater. And for what reason? Why do people feel the need for these things? I don't think I've ever seen one passing by that was actually
filled up with anything, whether it be people or equipment. Don't even get me started on those HUMMERs. Who needs one unless you live in the Australian outback or need to cross the Iraqi desert?
People with extremely large trucks and SUVs have been pissing me off since I started driving. They hog the road, and they obscure view. There's nothing I hate more than being at an intersection trying to turn only to have a 20 foot high, 40 foot long tank completely obscuring my view of oncoming traffic. I basically just have to wait it out until THEY turn before I can even think about making a move.
I, for one, am with you-- I'll be really, really happy when the high gas prices make these ridiculous vehicles too impractical to own. Unfortunately, part of me fears that's not going to happen soon enough.
Quote from: nat on 05/17/2008, 02:58 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/17/2008, 11:04 AMOnce it hits $10 a gallon the Ford Expeditions and Suburban will be done forever. Converted to...duck blinds...or something. I can't wait!
Everyone buys these fucking 40 foot long gas guzzlers, just because having a big SUV is "in," and then they complain about high gas prices. 9 out of 10 times it's some little 5'1" woman in this huge 18-seater. And for what reason? Why do people feel the need for these things? I don't think I've ever seen one passing by that was actually filled up with anything, whether it be people or equipment. Don't even get me started on those HUMMERs. Who needs one unless you live in the Australian outback or need to cross the Iraqi desert?
People with extremely large trucks and SUVs have been pissing me off since I started driving. They hog the road, and they obscure view. There's nothing I hate more than being at an intersection trying to turn only to have a 20 foot high, 40 foot long tank completely obscuring my view of oncoming traffic. I basically just have to wait it out until THEY turn before I can even think about making a move.
I, for one, am with you-- I'll be really, really happy when the high gas prices make these ridiculous vehicles too impractical to own. Unfortunately, part of me fears that's not going to happen soon enough.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Quote from: ceti alpha on 05/17/2008, 07:36 PMQuote from: nat on 05/17/2008, 02:58 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/17/2008, 11:04 AMOnce it hits $10 a gallon the Ford Expeditions and Suburban will be done forever. Converted to...duck blinds...or something. I can't wait!
Everyone buys these fucking 40 foot long gas guzzlers, just because having a big SUV is "in," and then they complain about high gas prices. 9 out of 10 times it's some little 5'1" woman in this huge 18-seater. And for what reason? Why do people feel the need for these things? I don't think I've ever seen one passing by that was actually filled up with anything, whether it be people or equipment. Don't even get me started on those HUMMERs. Who needs one unless you live in the Australian outback or need to cross the Iraqi desert?
People with extremely large trucks and SUVs have been pissing me off since I started driving. They hog the road, and they obscure view. There's nothing I hate more than being at an intersection trying to turn only to have a 20 foot high, 40 foot long tank completely obscuring my view of oncoming traffic. I basically just have to wait it out until THEY turn before I can even think about making a move.
I, for one, am with you-- I'll be really, really happy when the high gas prices make these ridiculous vehicles too impractical to own. Unfortunately, part of me fears that's not going to happen soon enough.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Indeed. No offense to anyone here, but, SUV's need to be banned. :P
Quote from: guyjin on 05/17/2008, 02:09 PMat that kind of price, the plastics that house our electronic goods start to get scary expensive.
Yeah, I don't buy that either. Petro-plastics are super cheap, that's why everything is made of them in the first place. I'm pretty sure it takes more money to process the plastic in, say, a Wii than it does to buy the plastic itself. I can buy a generic plastic "project case" for $3. If the cost of plastic quadruples the $12 case would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the $300 worth of semi-conductors I put into it.
And it plastic did actually become expensive, we'd have plenty of SUV interiors to recycle. There is about a cubic yard of ABS in your average Honda Pilot. You could easily get enough plastic there for a dining room table and chairs with enough left over for a PS3. :)
Quote from: guyjin on 05/17/2008, 02:09 PMat that kind of price, the plastics that house our electronic goods start to get scary expensive.
The cost of
everything would get scary expensive, as the cost of shipping and energy consumed during manufacturing would go through the roof for almost everything we buy.
De-railment:
Once it's announced that we are consuming more oil than we can produce, it's over. People won't be able to afford to bring food in to their cities. It would complete anarchy.
It's basically going to cost the world $190 billion dollars a year. If we don't do that, it will cost us trillions later on and at a higher human cost.
Quote from: ceti alpha on 05/18/2008, 10:07 AMDe-railment:
Once it's announced that we are consuming more oil than we can produce, it's over. People won't be able to afford to bring food in to their cities. It would complete anarchy.
Yeah, once again, I don't buy that. The amount of fuel being just outright *wasted* is such a significant percentage that it will give us a nice "cool down" buffer once its obvious supplies are getting extremely low. The wells aren't all going to go dry on the same day. Combine that with gas rationing and and semi-smooth transitions can be made.
Every day 25,000 people starve to death on planet earth. That isn't going to change significantly when the petrol peters off.
QuoteIt's basically going to cost the world $190 billion dollars a year. If we don't do that, it will cost us trillions later on and at a higher human cost.
I'm not sure what you are getting at here, or where that number comes from. The world probably spends $190 billion a year on shoe laces.
I think the transition to solar (the inevitable conclusion) will be relatively smooth in the grand scheme of things. I'd actually enjoy seeing spoiled American brats walking down the street instead of driving every where. I don't think its going to come to that though. I don't think its going to cause anything as horrible as, say, the 2nd Iraq war, or even the 70s gas crunch.
We'll see though. Its a big wild card.
Quote from: guest on 05/16/2008, 09:45 PMits nice to to see we have some people that love there cars here :D any dream cars out there you would love to have????
Here's mine, I would love to have it in this color:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/198120Delorean20002.jpg)
Here's a back view, but this one is not painted:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/delorean.jpg)
Here are some pics of me and what I drive... a poor man's version of the DMC?
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/0229081644.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/0229081645.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/0229081647.jpg)
I've met a guy in high school in my town who owns a big laserdisc collection AND a Delorean. Never actually seen it myself, but the kid must be loaded.
Quote from: Keranu on 05/19/2008, 05:14 AMI've met a guy in high school in my town who owns a big laserdisc collection AND a Delorean. Never actually seen it myself, but the kid must be loaded.
There's a Kosher Israeli restaurant in Oakland I've been to, and someone who lives next door has a DeLorean!
Nice pics you uploaded! Are you wearing a bow-tie in those pics?
Quote from: Keranu on 05/19/2008, 05:35 AMNice pics you uploaded! Are you wearing a bow-tie in those pics?
Yessir! This how I dress when I go to school, though sometimes in different colors.
EDIT: Keranu, I just noticed your post count is 7777
you might wanna black out that licence plate in your favorite image editor.
just sayin'.
Quote from: rag-time4 on 05/19/2008, 05:40 AMQuote from: Keranu on 05/19/2008, 05:35 AMNice pics you uploaded! Are you wearing a bow-tie in those pics?
Yessir! This how I dress when I go to school, though sometimes in different colors.
Very Farrakhan-ish of you! ;)
Quote from: ragtimeEDIT: Keranu, I just noticed your post count is 7777
Cool!
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Quote from: rag-time4 on 05/19/2008, 04:59 AMQuote from: guest on 05/16/2008, 09:45 PMits nice to to see we have some people that love there cars here :D any dream cars out there you would love to have????
Here's mine, I would love to have it in this color:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/198120Delorean20002.jpg)
Here's a back view, but this one is not painted:
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/delorean.jpg)
Here are some pics of me and what I drive... a poor man's version of the DMC?
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/0229081644.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/0229081645.jpg)
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/lioncub4/0229081647.jpg)
No offense, but a painted Delorean is an abomination, and a sin against the car. Defeats the whole purpose of the cars design.
Quote from: guyjin on 05/19/2008, 05:57 AMyou might wanna black out that licence plate in your favorite image editor.
just sayin'.
Why do people do that, anyway? People see my license plate every day when I drive down the street. Why is it OK for them to see it and not random people on the Internet?
Quote from: nectarsis on 05/19/2008, 09:25 AMNo offense, but a painted Delorean is an abomination, and a sin against the car. Defeats the whole purpose of the cars design.
Somewhat true, yet paint looks far better than damaged body panels. What was the purpose of this car anyway? To look cool while going slow?
QuoteNo offense, but a painted Delorean is an abomination, and a sin against the car. Defeats the whole purpose of the cars design.
If all you have to do to make a car pointless is to paint it, its not a very great car, IMO.
I've never really been a huge fan of this car. The time traveling one is OK, of course, but the basic model just always seemed like it was desperate middle aged 80s douchebags obsessed with the superficial. The car looks like a Lotus or a Ferrari or something, it looks *great*. I'm a big a Giorgetto Giugiaro fan. His stuff is fantastic....but this car has one big problem; it isn't anywhere near as fast as it looks. In fact, it isn't anywhere near as fast as a Golf GTI from the same year (to name another al Giorgetto Giugiaro design that cost 1/3 as much), and that's pretty sad. Its really just a total turd, performace-wise.
The good thing about them is that they are pretty cheap. You can get them for less than $20k easy, and I suppose that for $10k more or so you could put a decent powertrain in it.
Quote from: nat on 05/19/2008, 11:06 AMQuote from: guyjin on 05/19/2008, 05:57 AMyou might wanna black out that licence plate in your favorite image editor.
just sayin'.
Why do people do that, anyway? People see my license plate every day when I drive down the street. Why is it OK for them to see it and not random people on the Internet?
When you find out the answer to this question please tell me.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2008, 11:28 AMI'm a big a Giorgetto Giugiaro fan. His stuff is fantastic....but this car has one big problem; it isn't anywhere near as fast as it looks.
Awesome.
In 1995 I bought a '76 Lancia Scorpion for $1 from my neighbor. He was moving and just wanted to give it to me, but I felt we needed to put
something on the bill of sale. If the Scorpion isn't a Giorgetto Giugiaro design, then I'll be damned. As a matter of fact, the Scorpion looks so similar to a DeLorean, it's almost like they recycled the Scorpion design, added a few gimmicks (like wing-doors) and called it a DeLorean.
I didn't own the car long and it ended up getting sold not longer after.... I'm still upset about that. Should have kept it.
Here's a pic of one (the one I owned was metallic silver/gray, just like a DeLorean)--
(https://web.archive.org/web/20041118223146im_/http://www.whoabrakes.com:80/db4/00302/whoabrakes.com/_uimages/allenscorp.JPG)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Montecarlo
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2008, 11:30 AMQuote from: nat on 05/19/2008, 11:06 AMQuote from: guyjin on 05/19/2008, 05:57 AMyou might wanna black out that licence plate in your favorite image editor.
just sayin'.
Why do people do that, anyway? People see my license plate every day when I drive down the street. Why is it OK for them to see it and not random people on the Internet?
When you find out the answer to this question please tell me.
more crazy stalkers on the internet.
Quote from: nat on 05/19/2008, 11:56 AMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2008, 11:28 AMI'm a big a Giorgetto Giugiaro fan. His stuff is fantastic....but this car has one big problem; it isn't anywhere near as fast as it looks.
Awesome.
In 1995 I bought a '76 Lancia Scorpion for $1 from my neighbor. He was moving and just wanted to give it to me, but I felt we needed to put something on the bill of sale. If the Scorpion isn't a Giorgetto Giugiaro design, then I'll be damned. As a matter of fact, the Scorpion looks so similar to a DeLorean, it's almost like they recycled the Scorpion design, added a few gimmicks (like wing-doors) and called it a DeLorean.
I didn't own the car long and it ended up getting sold not longer after.... I'm still upset about that. Should have kept it.
Here's a pic of one (the one I owned was metallic silver/gray, just like a DeLorean)--
(https://web.archive.org/web/20041118223146im_/http://www.whoabrakes.com:80/db4/00302/whoabrakes.com/_uimages/allenscorp.JPG)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancia_Montecarlo
A dollar?!! :shock: What kind of shape was it in. That is a sweet car. =P~ Me want. =P~
But I actually like the painted black De Lorean. There's at least one around here. You can usually see it driving around town a few times of the year, during the summer months.
Quote from: guyjin on 05/19/2008, 12:06 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2008, 11:30 AMQuote from: nat on 05/19/2008, 11:06 AMQuote from: guyjin on 05/19/2008, 05:57 AMyou might wanna black out that licence plate in your favorite image editor.
just sayin'.
Why do people do that, anyway? People see my license plate every day when I drive down the street. Why is it OK for them to see it and not random people on the Internet?
When you find out the answer to this question please tell me.
more crazy stalkers on the internet.
I don't get it...what are crazy internet stalkers going to do with a number that crazy real life stalkers aren't going to do with it? I mean, my car is sitting out in front my place right now with the plate in full view. Am I...in danger!?
QuoteAwesome.
In 1995 I bought a '76 Lancia Scorpion for $1 from my neighbor.
Yeah, its not my favorite Lancia, but its nice as hell. And hey, according to this, also quicker than a Delorean.
My favorite Lanica:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20131218215650im_/http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200307/kryogen_2411200235_cia.jpg)
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2008, 11:28 AMQuoteNo offense, but a painted Delorean is an abomination, and a sin against the car. Defeats the whole purpose of the cars design.
If all you have to do to make a car pointless is to paint it, its not a very great car, IMO.
I've never really been a huge fan of this car. The time traveling one is OK, of course, but the basic model just always seemed like it was desperate middle aged 80s douchebags obsessed with the superficial. The car looks like a Lotus or a Ferrari or something, it looks *great*. I'm a big a Giorgetto Giugiaro fan. His stuff is fantastic....but this car has one big problem; it isn't anywhere near as fast as it looks. In fact, it isn't anywhere near as fast as a Golf GTI from the same year (to name another al Giorgetto Giugiaro design that cost 1/3 as much), and that's pretty sad. Its really just a total turd, performace-wise.
The good thing about them is that they are pretty cheap. You can get them for less than $20k easy, and I suppose that for $10k more or so you could put a decent powertrain in it.
I didn't mean that it made the whole car pointless, but it defeats the major point of having a stainless steel body. Using paint to cover damage is a cheap fix, and hopefully anyone who has one wouldn't take such a cheap fix.
Quote from: nectarsis on 05/19/2008, 02:47 PMI didn't mean that it made the whole car pointless, but it defeats the major point of having a stainless steel body. Using paint to cover damage is a cheap fix, and hopefully anyone who has one wouldn't take such a cheap fix.
But what was the point of a stainless steel body anyway? The additional weight that paint adds to a vehicle is negligible, so the only real advantage is corrosion resistance, which is unaffected by painting. Depending on the severity of the damage, it would be impossible to perfectly straighten a panel back to its original shape while maintaining the grain direction; and even if one could source a new stamping, it might not fully match due to slight variations in alloys. If an owner wants a flawless finish on their DMC-12, painting may be the only recourse, unless of course they want to have it gold plated. :)
mmmm gold plated :)
The De Lorean that's around here isn't perfect that's for sure. It looks great, but there must have been damage done to it because the stainless steel doesn't match in parts. The black paint really does look great I think.
Who-hoo! Sold my truck today. Now I'm wheel-less (of the 4-wheel variety, anyway)! Oh wait, that's not so good... :?
My next car's going to be a right-hand drive car. Hmmm.... the choices...
Quote from: guest on 05/19/2008, 03:33 PMIf an owner wants a flawless finish on their DMC-12, painting may be the only recourse, unless of course they want to have it gold plated. :)
I guess you're referring to the one in Reno (http://www.deloreanmotorcar.com/dmc/goldpix.htm)?
The Delorean certainly is total crap performance-wise, but the thing certainly has character.
Acura RSX... Fun but practical. I'm thankful for its 35+ MPG mileage these days. Shame they stopped making them. Here's mine.
SP_A0163.jpg
I also saw a DeLorean driving around here a couple weeks ago. I want one so bad.
Quote from: termis on 05/20/2008, 01:17 AMWho-hoo! Sold my truck today. Now I'm wheel-less (of the 4-wheel variety, anyway)! Oh wait, that's not so good... :?
My next car's going to be a right-hand drive car. Hmmm.... the choices...
Oh dear. I couldn't imagine driving standard with my left hand. It would certainly take some getting used to, that's for sure.
Quote from: termis on 05/20/2008, 01:17 AMMy next car's going to be a right-hand drive car. Hmmm.... the choices...
If you're in the US, I think you're limited to a Wrangler or a used Subaru for factory RHD. If money's no object, then you can import just about anything in RHD; I suggest a Skyline. :wink:
Quote from: termis on 05/20/2008, 01:17 AMI guess you're referring to the one in Reno (http://www.deloreanmotorcar.com/dmc/goldpix.htm)?
The Delorean certainly is total crap performance-wise, but the thing certainly has character.
Indeed on all counts, though there's two other gold plated DMC-12s.
Quote from: guest on 05/20/2008, 09:34 AMQuote from: termis on 05/20/2008, 01:17 AMMy next car's going to be a right-hand drive car. Hmmm.... the choices...
If you're in the US, I think you're limited to a Wrangler or a used Subaru for factory RHD. If money's no object, then you can import just about anything in RHD; I suggest a Skyline. :wink:
I'll be jumping ships to Australia, so I'm sure there'll be plenty of RHD cars to choose from. :)
I'm pretty sure I've seen a rhd wrangler once in my life somewhere in the US, but I can't ever seeing non-antique, non-postal unit rhd cars in the US. On the other hand, I've seen quite a few random rhd cars in Canada that came in through a gray-market imports. Just from memory, I've seen an MR2, Civics coupe, & a CRX or two. I believe the import laws in respect to cars in Canada are a bit looser than the one in the US, as almost any cars that are 15+ years can be imported here
relatively hassle free. I think a few folks in Toronto were going after the R32 Skylines after the 15 year-limit was reached on those models.
I'm going by fuzzy memory, but I believe that time length is almost double that time in the US, making it 30 years, or else the car has to go through some super-expensive conversion which is prohibitive (as the gov't says you'll need imperial gauges, the whole thing has to be converted to LHD, put in proper emission controls, etc). I once imported an antique bike into California, as since it was an "antique" that was older than 30 years, so it didn't have to go through all that conversion junk, but even though, it was still a pretty big hassle -- it took months until everything was sorted out.
Quote from: ceti alpha on 05/20/2008, 08:40 AMOh dear. I couldn't imagine driving standard with my left hand. It would certainly take some getting used to, that's for sure.
Yeah, I thought the same way too (in video game analogy, it'd be like using a controller with the buttons and the control pad reversed), but you actually adjust to it surprisingly quickly.
Somewhat recently the US government has made it much easier to import a single car into the country. You have to prove that it has some sort of technical or historical significance though. So if you wanted to import that Delta S4 up there, its not that hard to do. If you just want to import 100 units of some cheap piece of brand new shit (like a Cherry or a G-Wiz,) they'd tell you to piss off. There is a guy in NJ that imported a Golf Rally a few years ago, and he's not the only one.
Basically the EPA/NHSTA/whatever must have figured out that this country's problems weren't caused by the swarms of 959s and Ford Falcons from overseas. More likely though is that some senator collects cars and pushed this thing through when nobody was looking.
This just covers you for the Federal government. If you want to, say, get a state inspection sticker for North Carolina (needed to get a plate) you are going to have a hard time whereas here in Michigan you can register a car you build from scratch with no catalysts, crash bars, seatbelts, doors, etc. Just give them a clear VIN for a '72 Beetle and they'll fall for it. Nobody in the government here will even look at the car except for a cop, and that's only if he decides to pull you over for some reason.
Still this is an improvement since before the EPA would actually force you to destroy an illegitimate import. I recall an issue with a popular American car magazne (probably either Road and Track or Car and Driver, can't recall) where they were forced to destroy a Trabant they imported. They held a contest to see how it should be done away with.
Quote from: termis on 05/20/2008, 12:24 PMI'll be jumping ships to Australia, so I'm sure there'll be plenty of RHD cars to choose from. :)
Indeed; if Ford decides to pull a GM and start importing rides from down under, the Falcon XR6 Turbo with a manual tranny would certainly get a look (were I in the market for a sedan anyway).
That still blows my mind that some states actually require you to bring your vehicle in to be "inspected." That's just so..... foreign to me.
In the Seattle counties and surrounding area we are required to have a hydrocarbon test every 2 years for cars less than 25 years old, but that's it. Cars older than 25 years are exempt from this. There are no other "inspections" and they don't even pop the hood-- just stick something that looks like a giant thermometer in the tailpipe for a few seconds.
I've heard some states require you to pass "safety" inspections where they actually inspect all parts of your car on some kind of regular basis. Sounds like a real pain, and I bet they make the driver's pay for it, too. "Great news! We've found a spot of rust on the undercarriage and therefor determined your car is not roadworthy. Please take a bus home. Oh, by the way, that will be $200." I just can't imagine.
Here in WA, like Zeta mentioned, you could register a piece of sheetmetal with an engine attached and nobody would give a shit (my dad did this numerous times back in the '70s and '80s, he used to build prototype vehicles, usually out of fiberglass, for gas mileage tests) as long as you had a VIN to fill in the DMV form.
Quote from: nat on 05/20/2008, 06:20 PMThat still blows my mind that some states actually require you to bring your vehicle in to be "inspected." That's just so..... foreign to me.
In the Seattle counties and surrounding area we are required to have a hydrocarbon test every 2 years for cars less than 25 years old, but that's it. Cars older than 25 years are exempt from this. There are no other "inspections" and they don't even pop the hood-- just stick something that looks like a giant thermometer in the tailpipe for a few seconds.
I've heard some states require you to pass "safety" inspections where they actually inspect all parts of your car on some kind of regular basis. Sounds like a real pain, and I bet they make the driver's pay for it, too. "Great news! We've found a spot of rust on the undercarriage and therefor determined your car is not roadworthy. Please take a bus home. Oh, by the way, that will be $200." I just can't imagine.
Here in WA, like Zeta mentioned, you could register a piece of sheetmetal with an engine attached and nobody would give a shit (my dad this numerous times back in the '70s and '80s, he used to build prototype vehicles, usually out of fiberglass, for gas mileage tests) as long as you had a VIN to fill in the DMV form.
Yup. All provinces in Canada require a yearly inspection. Quebec was a haven for a while, but even they now require yearly inspections. Here in Nova Scotia, inspections were pretty slack. Unless you had something seriously wrong with your car (i.e. a broken emergency brake) you would get a pass. The garage I went to for inspections would just put my car up on the lift, give it a quick look over and then send me on my way for $15.
That all changed last year. Inspections are super tight now. Your car has to be pretty much perfect now to pass inspection. As I said, for the 3 years I had my car I only spent $45 in total for inspections. Then take last year when the laws changed, my inspection cost me $900. :shock: As sucky as it was to get hit with a bill like that, it's safe to say that if my car was getting properly inspected every year my bill wouldn't have been nearly as high.
I also like to know that my car isn't going to shit the bed on me out of nowhere. A friend of mine also took his car to get inspected at the same place and his brake lines ended up snapping going down one of the steepest hills in the city. I don't expect when my inspection is due in October that I will be spending even a quarter of what I spent last year. That being said, I don't mind spending money on my car because if one thing is wrong with your car, that will effect something else, and so on and so on.
Quote from: nat on 05/20/2008, 06:20 PMThat still blows my mind that some states actually require you to bring your vehicle in to be "inspected." That's just so..... foreign to me.
I'm firmly of the belief that this should be mandatory nation-wide. The safety thing is much more important that the emissions, IMO. There are tens of thousands of people driving total fucking deathtraps on American roads right now.
What is totally batshit stupid is how much this varies from state to state. North Carolina has some rather tight stuff. A "spot of rust" isn't going to condemn anything but if the seat is falling through the floor, how well will the car fair in a crash? Not very well, I'd imagine. You have to pass a "tampering" inspection which basically says you can't have aftermarket ECUs, cat-less exhausts, etc. Then there is the emissions part. If your car is OBDII they just plug a computer into the DLC. If its pre-OBDII then there is a tail pipe test. If the car is more than 20 years old, but pre-OBDII then you don't have to pass the tailpipe test. This test is a whopping $35. If you can't afford $35 you really can't afford a car...especially in NC where you have to pay tax on cars you own. Not just when you buy it, but every year like a house or something. Crazy. They also make you get a license for your cat, and keep its shot up to date even if it never leaves the house.
Now California is completely fucked. The state puts catalysts on lawnmowers, but doesn't care if you Civic still has the bumpers and seatbelts. Zero safety at all. Furthermore there is the bullshit where every other year you have to take your car to be inspected not by a real mechanic that actually knows WTF he is doing, but to one of these shitball "inspection only" places that don't do any work. The theory, I guess, is that this protects the driver from getting sold repairs he doesn't need and stuff, but in reality its just a big pain in the ass because if you fail the inspection you still have to find a real mechanic to do the work anyway. Furthermore, why are they even doing tailpipe tests on 5 year old cars? The OBDII cars either pass or fail their own internal emissions checks anyway. If the MIL isn't on, and all the monitors are ready, there is no way its going to fail the test. If the MIL is on, then its an automatic fail. Easy.
I'm told Colorado uses an abbreviated IM240 with an actual rolling road. I'm not sure about this though.
States rights is a bunch of shit...
yes, us Californians are completely fucked! The gas is more expensive in California because it is a special blend. The gas is also lower octane than what you other states get.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/16/2008, 12:43 PMIn addition to sucking all the fun out of driving, they also suck all the power, speed, and fuel out of a car.
Now, this is coming from me, a person who likes BMW M3s, Miatas, GTIs, etc. If your favorite car is a Rolls Royce, then obviously anything but an auto is stupid. However if your favorite car is a Rolls Royce than I don't see why you don't just stay at home on the couch...there isn't much difference.
Stick shift is a lot of fun, it does cause one to be absorbed. One gains a lot more control over what is goign on with the road. I miss owning a stick shift car, and my next vehicle will surely be one.
A Rolls Royce and a Couch.... i like that. Zeta, you are a bit negative on the idea! Imagine driving your couch, it's good fun. The couch at home also cannot go from point A to point B too easily. The boats/tanks are a lot of fun to drive, if you are driving an automatic, luxury is a good place to be. Bench seats all around!
Quote from: MrFulci on 05/21/2008, 02:33 AMI miss owning a stick shift car, and my next vehicle will surely be one.
Me too! I learned to drive in a stick shift truck. I drove it around for a year or two till my pops sold it.
Quote from: MrFulci on 05/21/2008, 02:33 AMA Rolls Royce and a Couch.... i like that. Zeta, you are a bit negative on the idea! Imagine driving your couch, it's good fun.
There is some dude in the UK who converted his couch into a fully functional automobile! I think somebody posted the video in the youtube thread a while back.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/21/2008, 02:05 AMQuote from: nat on 05/20/2008, 06:20 PMThat still blows my mind that some states actually require you to bring your vehicle in to be "inspected." That's just so..... foreign to me.
I'm firmly of the belief that this should be mandatory nation-wide. The safety thing is much more important that the emissions, IMO. There are tens of thousands of people driving total fucking deathtraps on American roads right now.
As long as the deathtrap is only for the deathtrap's passengers, I support this. I am in fully in favor of vehicle assisted suicide. (Iowa is one of the few states that doesn't require motorcycle or moped riders to wear helmets.)
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As long as the deathtrap is only for the deathtrap's passengers, I support this. I am in fully in favor of vehicle assisted suicide. (Iowa is one of the few states that doesn't require motorcycle or moped riders to wear helmets.)[/quote]
Well...you're just a social Darwinist dick then, and rather short sited since accidents caused by faulty vehicles often kill more than just the drivers.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/21/2008, 11:18 AMWell...you're just a social Darwinist dick then,
Actually, no; I'm a big fan of safety regulations, the 40 hour work week, single payer healthcare, etc; But I also think consenting adults should be able to do what they want so long as it doesn't harm others. In other words, every vehicle should have seat belts, but you shouldn't have to wear them.
and yeah, accidents involving idiots usually tend to harm non-idiots. it's not a perfect world.
Quote from: nat on 05/20/2008, 06:20 PMThat still blows my mind that some states actually require you to bring your vehicle in to be "inspected." That's just so..... foreign to me.
I'm all for inspections, since I want to exercise a M107 every time I see some douche with a busted taillight, sheet vinyl covered window, jacked up redneckmobile, etc. That said, I don't think that inspections do that much good as far as emissions go. Those who modify their cars for performance reasons are used to reflashing their ECUs and swapping exhaust, as they do it for warranty work anyway. I wonder if anyone's ever done a study of emissions compliance and/or accident rates and their severity in inspected states versus those without. :-k
Quote from: guyjin on 05/21/2008, 06:35 AMAs long as the deathtrap is only for the deathtrap's passengers, I support this. I am in fully in favor of vehicle assisted suicide. (Iowa is one of the few states that doesn't require motorcycle or moped riders to wear helmets.)
If you limit that to safety equipment and non-minor passengers, then I agree. If you're including things that affect the ability to control a vehicle or include kids in the car, then it's vehicle assisted murder-suicide, which I can't condone (except on bank holidays).
Here are mines.
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Quote from: termis on 05/20/2008, 01:17 AMThe Delorean certainly is total crap performance-wise, but the thing certainly has character.
ya that is the best way to describe that car as having character, i guy was selling one close to where i live and the thing always caught my eye but not sure if i really like the looks of it :-k when the doors are up it looks wwwwway better, and with the doors up it reminds me of car in the old 80's cartoon M.A.S.K :D
Quote from: ceti alpha on 05/20/2008, 06:38 PMYup. All provinces in Canada require a yearly inspection.
Ceti me friend the only inspection here in Ontario is the the 2 year emission testing and thats it... seriously... Never had a yearly inspection on the car :shock: (mind you i do keep up with my repairs with all the driving i do) does this inspection work like the emissions testing, where you get a notice in the mail and have to have it done when you renew you plate sticker? Watch me get a notice now since i mentioned it. :P!!!
EDIT: Love the little stang turboken :D
Yeah, there ain't much of an inspection in Alberta either unless I'm mistaken... (But I don't know the details -- I had been driving on a Cali plate for the 1 1/2 years I've been up here 8-[, but my wife didn't seem to need much to re-register her vehicle -- No emissions, no safety, nada!) AFAIK, the only time it needs inspections are when you're trying to register vehicles that was registered out of province, or trying to re-register vehicles that were damaged & tagged with a salvage title.
Japan on the other hand... Holy fuck man, those bi-annual inspections cost around ~$1500 after everything (no joke). It used to be even worse for cars 10+ years, as they had to go through the inspections every year, but they did away with that recently. It's not uncommon for older car's values be strictly based on the time remaining until the next inspection.
It's nice in a way because not many cars are lemons out there because of the stringent testing, but it certainly hurts the pocketbook when the time comes.
Quote from: guest on 05/21/2008, 09:15 PMQuote from: ceti alpha on 05/20/2008, 06:38 PMYup. All provinces in Canada require a yearly inspection.
Ceti me friend the only inspection here in Ontario is the the 2 year emission testing and thats it... seriously... Never had a yearly inspection on the car :shock: (mind you i do keep up with my repairs with all the driving i do) does this inspection work like the emissions testing, where you get a notice in the mail and have to have it done when you renew you plate sticker? Watch me get a notice now since i mentioned it. :P!!!
EDIT: Love the little stang turboken :D
Really? Shit. lol. That's crazy. I thought it was just the crazy Quebecois who were not into inspections here in Canada. Maybe it's just the crazy Scotians that are into inspections here. lol Actually, in Quebec, it might only be once every two years where your car gets inspected.
Rust is a big problem here though, with the salt air and all the salt on the roads in the winter. Cars wear down much quicker here if you don't rust check and keep on top of things.
But that's interesting that Ontario doesn't have yearly inspections. Here in Scotia we don't have emission testing for cars. Though smog is not a problem at all here.
Nice foal, turbokon. Is that your daily driver? :D
I bet the gas mileage on that thing is killer.
I Drive a 98 Escort ZX2 (Coupe) 5 speed. I bought it for $1,800 last year and haven't touched it since (repairs)
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The car is kinda small and uncomfortable for me as I'm like 6'2" and 260 pounds! I needed a car and it was cheap so I bought it.
Otherwise I like Thunderbirds and I have owned 4 of them. Thats where my username comes from. The first car I ever bought and the first forum I ever joined was a T-Bird one and I've been using this name ever since! They are really comfortable for me. MN12 is the chassis code for the 1989-1997 IRS Thunderbird/Cougar and also the basis for the 1993-1998 Lincoln Mark VIII.
BTW in the province of Ontario, Canada where I live you have to have the car "E-Tested" for emissions every 2 years and you have to have the car safety inspected every time you change ownership. I still can't believe some States don't require the safety (checks over suspension, breaks, e-brake, horn, lights and the general shape of the body ie no holes in the floor) when you go over to Michigan or something you really do see death traps on the road as someone called them.
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Deises ist mein motorrad.
Thats a nice bike Count, I like that yoshimura muffler too! What cc is it? My buddy has a yamaha r1. He recently ate shit in a corner, lmao. He isn't hurt bad or anything though, just bruised a bit. He goes crazy fast though!
It's an 06' GSXR 1000. I prefer a 600 for the track, it makes rear tire traction less of an issue on corner exits. But the local road track has a long straight, so the 1k cc is good because it get me up to about 170mph-ish, were a 600cc would still be below 145-ish.
Corner's rock....
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(I'm the one in front :))
They just suck when you end up like this....
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(a friend of mine :()
Thats cool dude! 8) You take that corner like a pro!
Thanks. My friend in the dirt is a licenced CMRA racer, I just go to race practices and join in. Licencing costs too much and takes up too much time. The bike is great on gas BTW, over 40mpg if riden gently :lol:
Nice! CMRA, huh? I guess you're in/around Texas or so?
I used to race little 50s, then moved upto 125s, and it was a helluva a lotta fun, but even that's a money pit. Move upto the middleweight/superbike 4-stroke bikes and you're talking a LOT of money.
For 600s & 1000s, I also just do trackdays/canyon carving and that's it. No pressures of racing, just having good fun.
Near College Station.
Trackdays are the best. I ride in the licenced group with racers and it's a blast, but very humbling at times. We have no canyons but some pretty nice backroads. Nice enough that I used to ride on DOT race slicks we went out weekend riding on them, to cut down on the amount of spinning up on exits. We slowed it down a bit this year though, more cops patroling the roads we ride now :evil:
'08 Pontiac Wave 5 (manual transmission):
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Is that a Suzuki Swift??
Quote from: mn12bird on 05/31/2008, 08:37 PMIs that a Suzuki Swift??
yes. it's also a chevy aveo, and a daewoo kalos.
Ah I thought so. I have seen Chevy Aveo's before but not the Pontiac version. Seems like half the new GM cars are either Daewoos or Suzukis! Its an American Revolution!
IIRC think the Pontiac/Suzuki badges for the are Canadian market only. They all have a slightly different looking front end design.
I like the front-design of the original (Kalos) the best, but it's a basic a-to-b car, it's not a big difference either way... :?
Daewoo / Chevy
Suzuki / Pontiac
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Quote from: guyjin on 05/31/2008, 09:18 PMQuote from: mn12bird on 05/31/2008, 08:37 PMIs that a Suzuki Swift??
yes. it's also a chevy aveo, and a daewoo kalos.
Yup, and my last car was a Geo Metro. :P
lol also a Suzuki Swift (I think!)
haha... well pencil my wifes KIA Rio in there as a sorta look a like then ( the car not the blonde... me wife is much hotter!!! :D )
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remember small car = a big :wink:
Quote from: guest on 06/01/2008, 10:10 PM( the car not the blonde... me wife is much hotter!!! :D )
So let's see a picture of the wife, then. ;)
I drive a 2001 Silver Toyota Celica GT, stick. It has no options whatsoever, since I figured at the time... what do I need a spoiler or a moon-roof for? In retrospect, I would've kinda liked to have had a rear-window wiper.
They're common enough that I figure everyone's probably seen one, basically this:
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Though mine has a dent on the hood where someone moving furniture in my complex dropped part of a couch on it.
Quote from: Jitawa on 06/02/2008, 03:01 AMI drive a 2001 Silver Toyota Celica GT, stick. It has no options whatsoever, since I figured at the time... what do I need a spoiler or a moon-roof for? In retrospect, I would've kinda liked to have had a rear-window wiper.
They're common enough that I figure everyone's probably seen one, basically this:
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Though mine has a dent on the hood where someone moving furniture in my complex dropped part of a couch on it.
Ack! Isn't that just how it goes? #-o #-o #-o ](*,)
Anyway, nice wheels. 8)
Example:
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This was my car up until I moved to Europe, I miss it alot, Ironically I had this car in California and sold it to a guy who lives in Denmark, so now the poor thing is freezing its ass off, its a 1965 Cadillac Sedan Deville, I am in to old american luxury cars, but now that I live in Europe, and with parking being a nightmare and gas being like 7 bucks a gallon, I cant afford to bring one over here yet, key word yet.... Muahahahaha!
That's a beauty. I'm into old[er] luxury cars as well.
This is not my daily driver, but here's one I've got right now:
1982 Imperial Coupe
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Cool. Big-ass cars. lol. My first car was a 77' chevy nova coupe like the one below (though in much worse shape). Bought it for $300 from a friend, drove the shit out of it for 6 months playing wannabe dukes of hazard. Damn, I was stupid, but good times for sure. :D
Well, it ended up dying 6 months later, and at 16, I didn't have any money for fixing the thing. I promptly junked it and got back about ~$150 or so for it.
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And I sold off the Yamaha yesterday... I'm now down to 2 wheels from 8! :|
Quote from: termis on 06/06/2008, 04:34 PMCool. Big-ass cars. lol. My first car was a 77' chevy nova coupe like the one below (though in much worse shape). Bought it for $300 from a friend, drove the shit out of it for 6 months playing wannabe dukes of hazard. Damn, I was stupid, but good times for sure. :D
You crazy Canuck!! 8-[
Quote from: ceti alpha on 06/06/2008, 07:07 PMYou crazy Canuck!! 8-[
lol. Not quite. I was working on that one, but that'll have to be for later. :)
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Quote from: termis on 06/07/2008, 01:25 AMQuote from: ceti alpha on 06/06/2008, 07:07 PMYou crazy Canuck!! 8-[
lol. Not quite. I was working on that one, but that'll have to be for later. :)
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haha!! Crap, I totally forgot about that. :?: :!: :?
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there is 2 of my 5 rides, oh ya i dont have a license. lol
A Cub Cadet! I have a very old one in my garage that came with my house, doesn't work though.
ya i got a old 128 cub cadet as well for snow plowing and moving dirt around. its from the 70s I do belive. what model is yours?
scrodamoon, ever see the movie "Straight Story" where the old fart drives his mower cross-country to visit his old fart brother?
Washed up my little piggy (02 Saturn SC2) and got my summer rims on... so this is the best she will look the rest of the summer so i captured this precise moment.
Also check out those air vents on the side...... a vehicle graphic sticker i made...hahaha, when you stand back it looks pretty damn legit!!! i am the sticker man :P
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haha! Nice Sparks! You will now be known as "THE STIIIIICKEEEERR MAAAANNNN" (insert monster truck advertising voice). :mrgreen:
I still have to put up pics of my little baby. heh
Quote from: guest on 04/14/2009, 10:58 AMAlso check out those air vents on the side...... a vehicle graphic sticker i made...hahaha, when you stand back it looks pretty damn legit!!! i am the sticker man :P
And I thought the 'real' fender vents that all the auto manufacturer's seem so enamored with were goofy and useless. Vinyl adds horsepower yo! :P
Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/14/2009, 12:09 PMQuote from: guest on 04/14/2009, 10:58 AMAlso check out those air vents on the side...... a vehicle graphic sticker i made...hahaha, when you stand back it looks pretty damn legit!!! i am the sticker man :P
And I thought the 'real' fender vents that all the auto manufacturer's seem so enamored with were goofy and useless. Vinyl adds horsepower yo! :P
hahah... I have the The Need For No Speed!!!! 8)
As my name suggests I drive a 1977 Ford F-150 with a 351m (5.8 L) V8, 4 Barrel carburetor, headers/duel exhaust. not the best cosmetically but runs great.
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Don't mean to boast but my truck could probably stomp any of the cars on here "just saying" oh and by the way screw gas mileage, I only paid $600 for my truck plus around $1,000 for the upgrades, how much does a new car cost like $20,000? how long will it take you to spend that on gas? No offense intended.
Quote from: guyjin on 05/16/2008, 12:49 PMI don't like driving. I drive because I have to.
You would like it if you drove something old.
For the love of god use the edit button man.
I drive my bicycle. mostly out to hard offs. great times.
I'll race your 77 ford truck through the twisties in my beat up old BMW 318is! :wink: 4 cylinders of powah!
Mine is the Silver 1991 318is 2nd from the right. The blue Z4 was my lease up until last February, and the white 530i next to my car is my first BMW that I gave to my folks to drive. The other two are my brother's two BMWs, an 08 Z4 lease and a 95 740il. My 318is has 252K on it and the white 530i has 273K on it now. Gotta love old cars from the same era as our NEC stuff!
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Sure I'll race you, Although I'm pretty far from Tennessee. do you see a lot of old ford trucks like mine down there?
what i drive is my left and right foot. also I take the train. I stopped driving four years ago. I dont miss it ay all
I just realized that even though I blabbed on and on in this thread I never posted a pic of my car:
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Megasquirt II ECU, LC-1 lambda gauge, Ground Control springs, Illumina shocks (NB), FM front sway bar, 949 end links, Azenis RT-615 tires, Hard Dog Hard Core roll bar, Momo steering wheel with with Miatacage quick disconnect, Willans 6 point harness, a bunch of other stuff, and a bunch of other stuff to come. Crap for power, but insane in the corners.
I've always wanted a Megasquirt.
77FordTruckMan, I'll race you from any stoplight. Seriously, I'll do it whether you want to or not. I don't want to take the chance of getting stuck behind a slow-moving truck. Granted, it's not as bad as getting stuck behind a Cadillac or something that moves even slower.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/07/2010, 01:28 AMDon't mean to boast but my truck could probably stomp any of the cars on here "just saying" oh and by the way screw gas mileage
:-k
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Had it 11 years, and there's nothing like four wheel drive and a turbo for sucking petrol.
And even with a child seat in it too.
It's the road version of this:
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Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/07/2010, 03:30 PMI just realized that even though I blabbed on and on in this thread I never posted a pic of my car:
Megasquirt II ECU, LC-1 lambda gauge, Ground Control springs, Illumina shocks (NB), FM front sway bar, 949 end links, Azenis RT-615 tires, Hard Dog Hard Core roll bar, Momo steering wheel with with Miatacage quick disconnect, Willans 6 point harness, a bunch of other stuff, and a bunch of other stuff to come. Crap for power, but insane in the corners.
Mmmm..... like the wheels. BBS of sorts? And +1 for Azenis tires... when the junky kumhos wear out on my car, that's whats going on next. Its a hard choice between my 3 series and one of those Miatas... they're a blast to drive.
Yeah, BBS. Those are actually OEM wheels on the black/tan 92s. They are more or less the same as what came on the 16v GTIs, 3 series BMW, certain RX7s, etc. Like the BBS RS, but a single forged piece. They are less than 10lbs each, so I'm keeping them for as long as I can still buy good tires in 14".
RE: the Celica All Trac/GTFour, whatever its called. This is a nice car, and almost impossible to find in the US. To be honest though...its not that close to the WRC car...at all. Its not much closer to the WRC than a base level automatic Celica, unless you've gutted the interior, installed a full cage and race seats, doubled the hoursepower, and spent $80,000 on coil overs, tires, and transmission. Its a nice car, but there are reasons the WRC car cost at least five times as much money to build.
RE: MegaSquirt: a lot of people have tried very hard over the years to make car parts sound sexual. "Buy this muffler and you'll get laid!" kind of stuff. My ECU takes the cake though. It has the most pornographic sounding name of any car part ever. The exact name is the DIYPNPMS, or Do It Yourself Plug and Play Megasquirt...and they didn't even realize this when they named it!
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/07/2010, 06:51 PMRE: the Celica All Trac/GTFour, whatever its called.
Celica 4WD Turbo: Carlos Sainz Edition.
Considerably closer than the standard GT-Four anyway, while obviously not as tuned as the Rally version.
"In racing series that are "production-based" (that is, the vehicles entered in the series are based on production vehicles for sale to the public), homologation requires not only compliance with a racing series' technical guidelines (for example, engine displacement, chassis construction, suspension design and such) but it often includes minimum levels of sales to ensure that vehicles are not designed and produced solely for racing in that series. Since such vehicles are primarily intended for the race track, practical use on public roads is generally a secondary design consideration, so long as government regulations are met."
Good enough for me.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/07/2010, 01:37 PMSure I'll race you, Although I'm pretty far from Tennessee. do you see a lot of old ford trucks like mine down there?
None that look that nice lol. I'm sorry to say... there are a lot of trucks in Tennessee and most of them are junk. If they're not junk, then they're lifted to the sky with no cats and black smoke everywhere... And the locals wonder why our air quality is so poor...
Daihatsu Mira Limited, in purdy princess purple. Feel free to laugh, though in truth it's not mine,
company car. And a free car with free insurance beats everything else in my opinion. :)
Anyone who has actually seen both a WRC car and the car on which it was based, in person, knows there is a huge difference between the two. Your car is nice, but it won't do 0-60 in 4 seconds, and it won't jump 5' dirt hills at 100mph and keep going like nothing ever happened. That's OK because you couldn't afford the WRC car. Not only are the shocks on a car like this $3000 per wheel, but they require a full time engineer from Penske or Ohlins or whoever to be on site just to tell you how to adjust them. Also, the anti-lag systems on WRC cars are louder than bombs and shoot fire from the exhaust, they are very hard to drive slow, and the road noise is fierce since there is no carpet or padding.
In the Group B era, where there were "evolution" versions of rally cars (technically) for sale you could, kind of, made the case that the road car and the competition version were similar, but not with something like this. The only overlapping parts are the shell and the block, maybe the suspension uprights, and the lights...maybe the blinker knob. However the head, the turbo, the ECU, all the manifolds, the control arms, springs, shocks, bushings, the entire brake system, all of the transmission and diffs (maybe not the case, but certainly the guts) and prop shafts, and all of the interior are either HEAVILY reworked or thrown out completely. And since this was the last Toyota WRC car (due to them being banned for cheating) there may have been even more than that done to it.
If its 'good enough for you', that's fine, that's what the Toyota marketing people want you to think. That's why they go racing in the first place, to sell cars, but...its all bullshit.
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/07/2010, 04:08 PMI don't want to take the chance of getting stuck behind a slow-moving truck.
Slow moving? You got to be kidding me, just because it's a truck don't mean its slow, It'll outrun any average car and a lot of above average cars. This just shows how little you know about cars, but to each his own.
My car is slow in a straight line but amazing on tight turns. You barely have to brake... it just turns.
Damn dude, take offense much?
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/07/2010, 11:51 PMQuote from: Joe Redifer on 08/07/2010, 04:08 PMI don't want to take the chance of getting stuck behind a slow-moving truck.
Slow moving? You got to be kidding me, just because it's a truck don't mean its slow, It'll outrun any average car and a lot of above average cars. This just shows how little you know about cars, but to each his own.
I can take on anyone in my Keith Courage truck.
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Quote from: SuperDeadite on 08/07/2010, 08:29 PMDaihatsu Mira Limited, in purdy princess purple. Feel free to laugh, though in truth it's not mine,
company car. And a free car with free insurance beats everything else in my opinion. :)
This is a LIE! I happen to know that SuperDeadite was offered the same Audi A6 that everyone else in his company drives, but he
insisted on the purple Mira because it was "だいすき！！", or some such shit.
I've never even seen an Audi in this country. They did offer me an RX-7 but it had a Canadian flag on it, so **** that!
I see some Audis here an there.
1988 Toyota Camry LE Station Wagon.
shits so cash.
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2010, 06:05 AM1988 Toyota Camry LE Station Wagon.
shits so cash.
Pics?
Quote from: gundarN on 08/07/2010, 04:24 PM/misc/car.jpg
Had it 11 years, and there's nothing like four wheel drive and a turbo for sucking petrol.
And even with a child seat in it too.
i love the looks of this man!!! keep that wax flowing on her!!!
I dont see that much on the road... well here in canada :oops:
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 08/08/2010, 04:42 AM....They did offer me an RX-7 but it had a Canadian flag on it, so **** that!
You bastard :P
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/07/2010, 11:51 PMSlow moving? You got to be kidding me, just because it's a truck don't mean its slow, It'll outrun any average car and a lot of above average cars. This just shows how little you know about cars, but to each his own.
come on lets all put our dicks back in our pants....<<unzips>> my saturn is not fast but it will never rust so go lick my tires :P
it may not rust, but it will crack and eventually just crumble into dust. which is better, a dent that can be easily pulled out or a crack where you have to replace an entire door or whatever was hit? Both my parents drive Saturns and one time a drunk guy in an old Bronco ran up over the neighbors porch and hit both of their Saturns while they were just sitting in the driveway. My Dad's Saturn was totaled and my Mom's needed the whole trunk replaced. Damage to the old Bronco? A broken headlight and maybe a dent, that's it!
I drive lots of things.
Quote from: Keranu on 08/08/2010, 02:36 AMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/07/2010, 11:51 PMQuote from: Joe Redifer on 08/07/2010, 04:08 PMI don't want to take the chance of getting stuck behind a slow-moving truck.
Slow moving? You got to be kidding me, just because it's a truck don't mean its slow, It'll outrun any average car and a lot of above average cars. This just shows how little you know about cars, but to each his own.
I can take on anyone in my Keith Courage truck.
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hahahhahHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2010, 09:51 AMcome on lets all put our dicks back in our pants....<<unzips>> my saturn is not fast but it will never rust so go lick my tires :P
YOUR CADILLAC AIN'T NO HIPPER THAN MY BUS STOP
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/08/2010, 04:08 PMit may not rust, but it will crack and eventually just crumble into dust. which is better, a dent that can be easily pulled out or a crack where you have to replace an entire door or whatever was hit? Both my parents drive Saturns and one time a drunk guy in an old Bronco ran up over the neighbors porch and hit both of their Saturns while they were just sitting in the driveway. My Dad's Saturn was totaled and my Mom's needed the whole trunk replaced. Damage to the old Bronco? A broken headlight and maybe a dent, that's it!
I have been in an accident with 1 of my saturns... and a fender got cracked... body kept its shape & the crack was barely noticeable so no repairs for me :)
hey i love my Saturn like you love your truck... lets just hug it out <<opens arms>> :P
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2010, 08:56 PMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/08/2010, 04:08 PMit may not rust, but it will crack and eventually just crumble into dust. which is better, a dent that can be easily pulled out or a crack where you have to replace an entire door or whatever was hit? Both my parents drive Saturns and one time a drunk guy in an old Bronco ran up over the neighbors porch and hit both of their Saturns while they were just sitting in the driveway. My Dad's Saturn was totaled and my Mom's needed the whole trunk replaced. Damage to the old Bronco? A broken headlight and maybe a dent, that's it!
I have been in an accident with 1 of my saturns... and a fender got cracked... body kept its shape & the crack was barely noticeable so no repairs for me :)
hey i love my Saturn like you love your truck... lets just hug it out <<opens arms>> :P
Same thing happened to my Saturn SL1 when I (accidentally) hit a deer. The only damage the dear caused was a crack in the plastic next to one of the headlights, not very noticeable. I did bust one of my tires too but I think that was from scrapping against the curb. Great long lasting cars from every owner I've talked to.
I repair my BMW as often as I repair my Turbo Duo... <sigh>
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/07/2010, 11:51 PMSlow moving? You got to be kidding me, just because it's a truck don't mean its slow, It'll outrun any average car and a lot of above average cars. This just shows how little you know about cars, but to each his own.
Have you ever taken your truck to the track to see what it runs? I can't see a mildly modified 335 on skinny Radial TAs even being able to break into the 15s.
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2010, 08:56 PMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/08/2010, 04:08 PMit may not rust, but it will crack and eventually just crumble into dust. which is better, a dent that can be easily pulled out or a crack where you have to replace an entire door or whatever was hit? Both my parents drive Saturns and one time a drunk guy in an old Bronco ran up over the neighbors porch and hit both of their Saturns while they were just sitting in the driveway. My Dad's Saturn was totaled and my Mom's needed the whole trunk replaced. Damage to the old Bronco? A broken headlight and maybe a dent, that's it!
I have been in an accident with 1 of my saturns... and a fender got cracked... body kept its shape & the crack was barely noticeable so no repairs for me :)
hey i love my Saturn like you love your truck... lets just hug it out <<opens arms>> :P
Alright, no hard feelings, one thing we can agree on is that the Pc Engine rules!
Quote from: guest on 08/09/2010, 11:28 AMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/07/2010, 11:51 PMSlow moving? You got to be kidding me, just because it's a truck don't mean its slow, It'll outrun any average car and a lot of above average cars. This just shows how little you know about cars, but to each his own.
Have you ever taken your truck to the track to see what it runs? I can't see a mildly modified 335 on skinny Radial TAs even being able to break into the 15s.
It's not a 335, it's a 351, no I haven't taken it to a track, I'm not saying it'll outrun a Ferrari or anything, But it is a lot faster than anything else I've ever driven, if I open the 4 barrels when entering the highway, I'm doing around 90 by the end of the short ramp, the speedometer only goes to 85mph but I've had it wrapped around to the 0 which is probably around 100-110mph.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/09/2010, 02:03 PMIt's not a 335, it's a 351
Hmmm..... perhaps you're not as knowledgeable about cars as you think - the 351M is part of the 335 engine family (Ford never sold a 335cid engine). That's okay, though, you can keep living your life a quarter mile at a time, hauling ass with all of maybe 200 ponies, pulling .5g (or less) around corners, and laying down stopping distances that would make a 747 pilot's butt pucker. :P
Quote from: BlueBMW on 08/08/2010, 08:46 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 08/08/2010, 06:05 AM1988 Toyota Camry LE Station Wagon.
shits so cash.
Pics?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Android77/38913_555836617338_53705075_32046163_1855262_n.jpg)
VROOOM VROOOOOOM
I'm jealous of the snow.... No snow where I live now. Grew up in Colorado and miss it!
Your car will probably outlast most of the rest of our cars. Those old camrys just dont die.
hahahha, nice Ark... the mini grocery getter.... and looky at the snow, where the fruck do you live Canada?
I live in Ohio!
that snow was from like, february when I took the photo.
Quote from: guest on 08/09/2010, 05:07 PMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/09/2010, 02:03 PMIt's not a 335, it's a 351
Hmmm..... perhaps you're not as knowledgeable about cars as you think - the 351M is part of the 335 engine family (Ford never sold a 335cid engine). That's okay, though, you can keep living your life a quarter mile at a time, hauling ass with all of maybe 200 ponies, pulling .5g (or less) around corners, and laying down stopping distances that would make a 747 pilot's butt pucker. :P
Hey, I never said I was that knowledgeable and hey it's more fun that way. gonna have to make a video one of these days.
What is "mini" about a Camry wagon?
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/09/2010, 11:32 PMWhat is "mini" about a Camry wagon?
Compare it to a 60's/70's Olds Custom Cruiser, a Caprice/Buick Roadmaster, Mercury Colony Park, etc, etc.
What the flying fuck does "shits so cash" mean? Kids these days and their phats and their bads and their sicks. /get off my lawn!
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/09/2010, 11:32 PMWhat is "mini" about a Camry wagon?
yes when stuck next to any American made station wagon, it sho' am tiny.
My dads friend has a vista cruiser. Shit would destroy my camry lol... and our old caprice classic wagon was 2x bigger.
I like it though. I blast depeche mode and putz along down the highway
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/10/2010, 12:25 AMWhat the flying fuck does "shits so cash" mean? Kids these days and their phats and their bads and their sicks. /get off my lawn!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Shit%20was%20SO%20cash
I bet you used to say "the bomb", too! People in the future are laughing at "shit so cash" right now and the people who used it. And we all know that people in the future are better, just like we're better than those people who said "gnarly". Though "gnarly" is kind of funny.
"American made station wagon". I barely remember those. My mom had a Fairmont wagon 20 year ago, and it was a decade old even then. It was about the same size as the Camry wagon, Accord wagon, Taurus wagon, or Saturn wagon. I don't consider any of these cars "mini" since the largest thing I've ever owned was a Jetta (non-wagon).
These days all the wagons you can buy in the US are German. Too bad, wagons are great.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/10/2010, 01:46 AMThese days all the wagons you can buy in the US are German. Too bad, wagons are great.
Thats not true anymore. Dodge Caliber and Magnum are like beefed up wagons...
and the Toyota matrix! the Ford fiesta (lol), Subaru Impreza, Ford Flex i guess is like a mutant wagon....
all a station wagon is , is a sedan with the trunk included in the rest of the cabin, with a hatchback. They have alot of them now. They're not all that great, but they are basically the same as station wagons of the late 80s/early to mid 90s.
The Magnum has been dead for a bit now. Caliber is more a hatchback (as is the Matrix)...Ford Fiesta even smaller. The Subaru's have wagons (Impreza, Forester, Legacy/Outback), and I totally agree on the Flex lol ...bastard child of a wagon and suv.
Nothing you mentioned was a wagon except for the Magnum, and that's dead. A Fiesta is a hatchback, totally. Not a wagon at all.
A wagon is generally an optional version of an existing sedan. The Jetta, Audi A4, Merc E class, BMW 5 series...Camry, Fairmont...there are (or were) wagon versions of all of these. There was a wagon version of the Focus (and a hatchback, and a sedan) but they dropped then when the Mk1 was discontinued.
I liked the looks of the Mazda 6 wagon, but they stopped selling it with the redesign. :|
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/10/2010, 01:46 AMThese days all the wagons you can buy in the US are German.
Don't forget the wagons from Volvo, Subaru, and Cadillac.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/10/2010, 01:46 AM"American made station wagon". I barely remember those. My mom had a Fairmont wagon 20 year ago, and it was a decade old even then. It was about the same size as the Camry wagon, Accord wagon, Taurus wagon, or Saturn wagon. I don't consider any of these cars "mini" since the largest thing I've ever owned was a Jetta (non-wagon).
These days all the wagons you can buy in the US are German. Too bad, wagons are great.
i mentioned mini because this is what i compared it to which my dad drove back in 85... now that's a fucking wagon!!!
http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1985_Pontiac_Parisienne.html
Also... have you ever noticed that station wagons like this 1 were used a lot in the movies? especially in the 90s... a great getaway car and big enough for big scene dialogue for camera and crew... just a silly drunken observation :P
Quote from: guest on 08/09/2010, 05:07 PMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/09/2010, 02:03 PMIt's not a 335, it's a 351
Hmmm..... perhaps you're not as knowledgeable about cars as you think - the 351M is part of the 335 engine family (Ford never sold a 335cid engine). That's okay, though, you can keep living your life a quarter mile at a time, hauling ass with all of maybe 200 ponies, pulling .5g (or less) around corners, and laying down stopping distances that would make a 747 pilot's butt pucker. :P
What it lacks in horsepower it makes up for in torque, the 351m is a high torque engine made for towing and hauling.
I saw an old AMC Eagle the other day, that's a different looking wagon. Kind of neat actually http://www.carlustblog.com/2008/03/car-lust--amc-e.html
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/10/2010, 12:19 PMWhat it lacks in horsepower it makes up for in torque, the 351m is a high torque engine made for towing and hauling.
Yeah, 260ish ft/lbs stock and I'll be generous and say 300 ft/lbs with a 4bbl and full exhaust, which is roughly equivalent to a 351 powered eighth-gen f150. Woohoo, feel the power and speed of blistering mid eights to 60 and 16s in the quarter!
I drive a green 1995 Ford Ranger XLT with a tool rack and a toolbox. It's a work truck so it's not pretty, but it has zero rust and decent paint. I got it with a swapped 70k mile 3.0 Vulcan v6 engine, the body has 125K. The previous owner ran the first engine out of oil, and I had to fix it (dead alternator, dead ICM) before I drove it home. I replaced the entire cooling system last summer, and put a seat in it from the junkyard, because it had a milk crate for a seat when I got it, and his dog had eaten away the passenger side bench. I replaced all 4 turn signal assemblies, the back windshield, and had to drop the gas tank to fix the emissions leaks for my CA smog inspection. I put a lifetime set of shocks, a new battery and 4 new tires on it 2 years ago, And the AC kit will go in sometime in the next few weeks when I have time to install it (100+ days are all too common in the valley).
It's not "Kickass" and it sure wont run 16's, in fact, its a fucking slug with 185 horse and a flat torque-curve of 180 ft/lbs of torque. The upside? I've had it for 4 years, no payment, It's reliable as hell, gets 25.5 highway (OD Automatic), the engine is near-indestructible and has loading zone plates which have avoided me soooo many parking tickets in this state.
2007 Infiniti G35
Quote from: blueraven on 08/10/2010, 02:20 PMI drive a green 1995 Ford Ranger XLT with a tool rack and a toolbox. It's a work truck so it's not pretty, but it has zero rust and decent paint. I got it with a swapped 70k mile 3.0 Vulcan v6 engine, the body has 125K. The previous owner ran the first engine out of oil, and I had to fix it (dead alternator, dead ICM) before I drove it home. I replaced the entire cooling system last summer, and put a seat in it from the junkyard, because it had a milk crate for a seat when I got it, and his dog had eaten away the passenger side bench. I replaced all 4 turn signal assemblies, the back windshield, and had to drop the gas tank to fix the emissions leaks for my CA smog inspection. I put a lifetime set of shocks, a new battery and 4 new tires on it 2 years ago, And the AC kit will go in sometime in the next few weeks when I have time to install it (100+ days are all too common in the valley).
Damn, that truck has had a really hard life for only being a 95!
Quote from: guesti mentioned mini because this is what i compared it to which my dad drove back in 85... now that's a fucking wagon!!!
http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1985_Pontiac_Parisienne.html
I'm quite familiar with that car. Before this ridiculous SUV fad hit, cars like this were very popular in my part of the country. There are even wagons bigger than this, like the early 90s Caprice, or the Ford LTD Country Squire which was HUUUUUGE. That doesn't make the Camry wagon small though, it just makes the GM ones huge. The Camry is a 3000 lb car that seats 5 and has an optional V6 engine. It just isn't a small car. Its not even below average.
A "mini" wagon would be something like:
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or
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Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/10/2010, 02:52 PMQuote from: blueraven on 08/10/2010, 02:20 PMI drive a green 1995 Ford Ranger XLT with a tool rack and a toolbox. It's a work truck so it's not pretty, but it has zero rust and decent paint. I got it with a swapped 70k mile 3.0 Vulcan v6 engine, the body has 125K. The previous owner ran the first engine out of oil, and I had to fix it (dead alternator, dead ICM) before I drove it home. I replaced the entire cooling system last summer, and put a seat in it from the junkyard, because it had a milk crate for a seat when I got it, and his dog had eaten away the passenger side bench. I replaced all 4 turn signal assemblies, the back windshield, and had to drop the gas tank to fix the emissions leaks for my CA smog inspection. I put a lifetime set of shocks, a new battery and 4 new tires on it 2 years ago, And the AC kit will go in sometime in the next few weeks when I have time to install it (100+ days are all too common in the valley).
Damn, that truck has had a really hard life for only being a 95!
It sure has, but I've finally worked all of the kinks out of it. The previous owner ran it through the ringer, thats why I got it so cheap :mrgreen:
When I got my Miata it looked like someone had lit it on fire. $7000 later, and its much better!
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/10/2010, 03:06 PMQuote from: guesti mentioned mini because this is what i compared it to which my dad drove back in 85... now that's a fucking wagon!!!
http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1985_Pontiac_Parisienne.html
I'm quite familiar with that car. Before this ridiculous SUV fad hit, cars like this were very popular in my part of the country. There are even wagons bigger than this, like the early 90s Caprice, or the Ford LTD Country Squire which was HUUUUUGE. That doesn't make the Camry wagon small though, it just makes the GM ones huge. The Camry is a 3000 lb car that seats 5 and has an optional V6 engine. It just isn't a small car. Its not even below average.
Ever try to actually seat 5 averaged sized white boys in a camry wagon? It aint a fun time.
It fits in the compact-car parking spots at work. That makes it tiny.
My friends are big(fat) and when they get in the camry, I cringe. They barely make it.
My car looks great but if you examine it closer you can tell its been hit in the front rear and underneath lol
Quote from: guestEver try to actually seat 5 averaged sized white boys in a camry wagon? It aint a fun time.
Well yeah, the three in the back are usually supposed to be kids.
QuoteIt fits in the compact-car parking spots at work. That makes it tiny.
In the parking garages in my town anything that isn't a GMC Denali will fit in the compact spaces.
My point is that in 1988 the MR-2, Supra, Corolla, Tercel, the pickup, and the Camry sedan are all smaller than this car (not to mention all the kei cars they didn't sell in the US). It isn't "mini" just because your friends are huge.
Quote from: guest on 08/10/2010, 01:05 PMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/10/2010, 12:19 PMWhat it lacks in horsepower it makes up for in torque, the 351m is a high torque engine made for towing and hauling.
Yeah, 260ish ft/lbs stock and I'll be generous and say 300 ft/lbs with a 4bbl and full exhaust, which is roughly equivalent to a 351 powered eighth-gen f150. Woohoo, feel the power and speed of blistering mid eights to 60 and 16s in the quarter!
Look, I don't have to argue with you, I know I'm right and I don't really care what anybody thinks. What do you drive anyway? a Bugatti Veyron?
Something people who drive old stuff have to come to grips with is that virtually everything made today is quicker than anything from 30 years ago. Sometimes the old stuff feels so fast just because the chassis is so shit and the noise is so bad that it feels like you are going 100 when you are only doing 30.
One of my favorite magazines did a performance test with an XKE and 356 versus a Odyssey minivan...the minivan ripped them both to shreds. Its an interesting read.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/soccer-moms-revenge/
There are almost no cars being sold today that have less power than my 1.6 Miata from 18 years ago. Most V6 powered mini SUVs in 2011 can beat it 0-60. I don't give a shit. Since I can pull almost 1.2G in the corners on street tires I don't need to slow down very much at the track, and if you don't slow down, you don't need to speed back up again.
Have your fun and fuck what other people say.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/10/2010, 11:28 PMQuote from: guest on 08/10/2010, 01:05 PMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/10/2010, 12:19 PMWhat it lacks in horsepower it makes up for in torque, the 351m is a high torque engine made for towing and hauling.
Yeah, 260ish ft/lbs stock and I'll be generous and say 300 ft/lbs with a 4bbl and full exhaust, which is roughly equivalent to a 351 powered eighth-gen f150. Woohoo, feel the power and speed of blistering mid eights to 60 and 16s in the quarter!
Look, I don't have to argue with you, I know I'm right and I don't really care what anybody thinks. What do you drive anyway? a Bugatti Veyron?
My old 86 Monte Carlo SS with 180 HP @ 4800 RPM/ 225 ft/lbs @ 3200 RPM (without the Holley 650 4bbl) was no slouch for it's size. Mind you your truck also weighed 1,500-2,200lbs more, so it could prob "hang with your BEAST." ;) Frankly around here trucks like that are a dime a dozen...nothing special. If you like it that'sgreat...but the internet dick waving isn't doing anything for ya. It may be your fav vehicle of all time, but taking offense to others not being OMG over a 33 year old vanilla pickup...does it really matter?
Bugatti Veyron? I mean your talking about a pretty mediocre truck and someone who uses real world #'s (you don't like) so you counter with they MUST drive a $2,000,000 super car? So if they don't drive an ubber car they aren't as "cool" as you and your truck? Rolling Eyes
That article was pretty interesting. With driver aids like ABS and TCS becoming standard items on cars, it'd definitely making driving faster easier than years before. Hell, I'm for all that for cars as I guess I'm just pragmatic when it comes to 4-wheeled vehicles. Because of that, I don't get the whole appeal of "fast" trucks -- I mean, I really miss my trucks from the days when I lived in NA, but that's for utility reasons more than anything else. I could care less how fast it'd goes up and down the road.
2-wheels, on the other hand -- I hate the fact that ABS and traction control is slowly making its way into that world...
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/10/2010, 08:32 PMMy point is that in 1988 the MR-2, Supra, Corolla, Tercel, the pickup, and the Camry sedan are all smaller than this car (not to mention all the kei cars they didn't sell in the US). It isn't "mini" just because your friends are huge.
You do realize, the camry sedan and camry wagon are like the same length, and the wagon looks bigger because the trunk portion is part of the rest of the car? It might be like, 6-12" longer, MAYBE. but its still retarded and tiny.
and, my 70 dodge dart with a 318 in it is faster than everyones modern cars.
Yes, I do understand the difference between a wagon and a sedan. I'm not saying your car is huge, I'm just saying that since it was one of the longest, of not the longest, Toyota sold in the US that year, it isn't "mini". Park that thing next to an 88 MR2 and you'll see what "mini" is. In the grand scheme of cars, its about right in the middle. If you don't see it this way, then you must live somewhere where your perception has been skewed from everyone driving giant-ass vehicles like...Ohio...or Michigan.
Termis: the reason the Honda van is quicker than the two sports cars is mostly the power. Also, the tires. They were using period correct tires on the old cars, which is a huge limitation. There is also the question of theoretical potential. If all three vehicles were allowed $3000 in modifications, I think the two cars would probably get much quicker, whereas the van is probably closer to its maximum in stock form. A 356 with modern day shock technology and race rubber would be fantastic. The power could be doubled and still be usable, where the van...I don't think the chassis could handle much more power than it already has.
I too don't get the whole "fast truck" thing. All trucks are slow. Some trucks are faster than others, but they are all slower than a car with the same engine, but turn/stop much worse and burn more fuel. There is a reason why none of the people in the NBA weigh 350 lbs. I have a 93 Chevy sitting in the back yard that I fire up four or five times a year when I want to go get a Xmas tree or move my tool box. That's all I need it for. The Miata is my daily driver and autocross/track day car. The Jetta is for longer trips, or when the dogs need to come with.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/10/2010, 11:28 PMWhat do you drive anyway? a Bugatti Veyron?
Yes; a Super Sport, in fact.
Quote from: nectarsis on 08/11/2010, 12:14 AMIf you like it that'sgreat...but the internet dick waving isn't doing anything for ya. It may be your fav vehicle of all time, but taking offense to others not being OMG over a 33 year old vanilla pickup...does it really matter?
Exactly; if you're gonna go all Fast and Furious on us, at least have the numbers to back it up.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/11/2010, 12:05 AMOne of my favorite magazines did a performance test with an XKE and 356 versus a Odyssey minivan...the minivan ripped them both to shreds. Its an interesting read.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/soccer-moms-revenge/
That was quite entertaining; thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 08/11/2010, 03:08 AMYou do realize, the camry sedan and camry wagon are like the same length, and the wagon looks bigger because the trunk portion is part of the rest of the car? It might be like, 6-12" longer, MAYBE. but its still retarded and tiny.
It's small in comparison to full size cars but big compared to A and B segment cars. Insisting that it's tiny (as an absolute) makes about as much sense as me asserting that an International CTX is small, just because it's not as big as a Cat 797F.
My car dynoed at 114 at the wheels! Fast and furious has got nothing on me! Heheh
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/11/2010, 12:05 AMOne of my favorite magazines did a performance test with an XKE and 356 versus a Odyssey minivan...the minivan ripped them both to shreds. Its an interesting read.
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/soccer-moms-revenge/
Have your fun and fuck what other people say.
:lol: :lol: =D> WONDERFUL!!
I'm going to a local dyno shop soon to put the finishing touches on the MS install. Stock power in a 1.6 Miata is 116 at the crank, ~96 at the wheels. With this ECU and the snorkle from a 1.8 I hope to get ~104. Regardless of peak power, the MS has improved mid-range torque enormously.
I was testing before and after a chip. I went from 107 whp to 114 whp. The torque increased pretty even across the line.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/11/2010, 12:05 AMSomething people who drive old stuff have to come to grips with is that virtually everything made today is quicker than anything from 30 years ago. .
Actually, the opposite is true in my experience, most cars today are 4 cylinders and some 6's, but back in the 60's-70's more cars had V8's, anyway, I am going to make a video to show you that the truck actually is fast, and I am not just being a jerk trying to show off.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/11/2010, 11:37 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 08/11/2010, 12:05 AMSomething people who drive old stuff have to come to grips with is that virtually everything made today is quicker than anything from 30 years ago. .
Actually, the opposite is true in my experience, most cars today are 4 cylinders and some 6's, but back in the 60's-70's more cars had V8's, anyway, I am going to make a video to show you that the truck actually is fast, and I am not just being a jerk trying to show off.
Yet many 4 & 6 cylinders put out more hp than a lot of old v8's. Not to mention there are still plenty of v8's out there, just not as necessary as smaller engines can put out as much/more hp with better fuel economy/vehicles handle better, etc. (see article Zeta linked above). What's with all the "my vehicle can beat your vehicle" 17 year old bravado mess?
who cares about fast cars anyways really.
I live in the city. you never go faster than 35 because everyone else is driving like pussies, lol.
In 1980 a new Vette had 198HP, or something like that, out of 454CID. Today a VW Golf GTI has 210HP, out of a 4 banger that is 1/3 the size.
When I was a kid the big thing was being to do 0-60 in 5 seconds. There were only a handful of cars that could do it. The Buick GNX being the cheapest (a V6, btw), the Countach...a few others, mostly Italian. Now you can have this in a Subaru sedan for $30k (1/3 what the Countach cost).
Things have moved on.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/11/2010, 11:37 PMmost cars today are 4 cylinders and some 6's, but back in the 60's-70's more cars had V8's
True, but the lesser V8s had 200-300 gross hp (only 160-240 net hp), which is easily bested by today's 260+ hp V6s and turbo four-pots. Even the big block sedans of yore, such as the 454 powered Chevelle and the 426 powered Charger, could only manage mid-13 second quarter miles; today's equivalents (i.e. - SRT-8s, G8s, and SHOs) are even quicker, all while being more reliable, efficient, and able to stop or turn a corner.
But it's just not the same, wheres the fun in it? New cars look like crap, and basically they are crap. They are cheaply made, they rely way too much on electronics, they are a lot harder to work on and they are very annoying to drive, I hate driving them. Also when something does break it cost thousands to repair and I doubt any of them will be lasting 30+ years. Old cars, and now I'm talking 1930's-60's were works of art down to every detail, compare that to new cars, they are crap. If someone gave me a brand new car and I could not sell it for some reason, I would let it sit and rot, they are totally worthless to me.
My cousins 2009 AWD Mazda Speed3 has a 269bhp turbo 4-cylinder and a 6-speed gearbox. It gets 31mpg highway and is faster than a bat out of hell. In fact, it's power-to-weight ratio is astounding. It's gunmetal gray, has 18's with lo-profile tires, and a Bose Stereo. It's also $10,000 cheaper than any other car in it's class; It will go toe-to-toe with a new Boxter. And It's under 24k. :shock:
It was more fun in the corners than a Fiat X-19, Got better mileage than a VW Rabbit pickup, had more power than a Corvette, and handled rough terrain better than any AMC Eagle; which I had (and fixed) as a pizza delivery car in the Midwest. ALL new cars are not "crap".
Regarding the truck being fast...
Having owned (and still own pieces of, technically) a 1978 Ford F Series; I am very familiar with your vehicle. I have replaced virtually every part on that 351 Modified engine, and have swapped a front clip, bed, and the entire cooling system. The shop I used to work for completely redid a 1979 Longbed for a customer, and installed a bored/stroked 351 Cleveland in the place of the original 351M. Due to it's hideous gas mileage, engine issues (rings, valves) and extensive cab rot (12 city, 16 Highway), I sold my 78 as a parts vehicle for the customer's project. The original motor was good for pulling stumps, and geared low with a 4-speed granny gear, (3.93 gears if I remember correctly) but it was a dog in the straight line. And the Quadrajet had a stove-choke that I rebuilt twice because the parts just disintegrated. I was glad to be rid of it after it started popping freeze plugs every month or so.
After we finished the newly redone 1979 Truck, the owner of the shop commented to me "He's got $15,000 into this truck before paint, and my daily driver can beat it off the line."
He then added a $10,000 paint job, air bags and 20" rims. The damn thing looks like a graffiti wall. He could've bought a Speed3 for that price, which I would drive in a heartbeat, but it really is what you like. How sentimental it is to you, and what you want out of a vehicle.
But I'll tell you dude, from experience, that truck ain't fast. It may be relative to what you have driven in the past, but it's no drag vehicle.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/14/2010, 02:00 PMBut it's just not the same, wheres the fun in it? New cars look like crap, and basically they are crap. They are cheaply made, they rely way too much on electronics, they are a lot harder to work on and they are very annoying to drive, I hate driving them. Also when something does break it cost thousands to repair and I doubt any of them will be lasting 30+ years. Old cars, and now I'm talking 1930's-60's were works of art down to every detail, compare that to new cars, they are crap. If someone gave me a brand new car and I could not sell it for some reason, I would let it sit and rot, they are totally worthless to me.
Part of this I agree with...the rest of it is just typical midwestern American nostalgia for cars they never actually had to deal with every day from a time they didn't live in,
Every time I see a car like this:
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or this:
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or this:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20091025212914im_/http://www.waymotor.com/img/71-1961-Ferrari-250-GT-SWB-California-Spyder-for-7-Million-Euro.jpg)
Or even this:
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...I find myself moved nearly to tears...not just because I love the cars so much, and they are so gorgeous, but because there will never again be a time when things are made like this again. Now cars are mainly just iPods on wheels. It makes me sick.
On the other hand, cars from the 60s were basically slow-ass gas guzzling deathtraps that needed constant maintenance. In the 50s most GM cars had in their service recommendations to adjust the brakes every 5000 miles. Can you imagine having to go through that crap? Any cross country trip would almost always mean a blowout, tires in general were laughable crap, brakes were even worse. Most automatics were 2 speed boxes, and most manuals 3. The glass was non-tempered, and steering shaft a solid piece go to ahead of the front axle, and the interior...basically modeled after a kitchen knife drawer. So if you were in a wreck and you weren't slashed to pieces be the broken glass or impaled by the steering wheel you'd probably be mangled to pieces by the art deco radio knobs...at 25mph! Engines almost never went beyond 60k without a rebuild. Shocks were...shock technology barely existed, really. When was the last time you refilled the oil reservoir for your air filter? When was the last time you re-packed a wheel bearing for maintenance reasons? Adjusted ignition points?
Seriously, that stuff was utter fucking crap. I miss the handmade craftsmanship of it all, but people forget (or in your case, never knew) what just it really was.
A great medium ground is to take an old shell (the only good part) of cars like this and put in all modern stuff. Recently I saw a BMW 2002 with the engine from a E30 M3, now that's a good idea. Most of the stuff you see in Hot Rod and Car Craft and Retro Car, and magazines like that goes with this formula. Old shell, but new crate engine/management, new brakes, suspension, tires, seats, belts, etc. That's a hard one to argue with.
Quote from: blueraven on 08/14/2010, 03:46 PMBut I'll tell you dude, from experience, that truck ain't fast. It may be relative to what you have driven in the past, but it's no drag vehicle.
All I ever really said was it is a lot faster than average vehicles and it is, by a lot. in my parents Saturns, they have to turn off the air conditioning to make it up the hill where they live, where as I can hit 65 going up the same hill from being stopped at the gas station at the bottom. Anyway, I have been trying to buy a 75 Ford truck with a 390 from this guy for a few months now and it might finally happen this week, it is 4x4 with a 4"lift 32" tires and almost everything is like new on it. it has a racing cam, headers/duel exhaust etc., but it still has the 2bbl carb on it, which I plan to replace with 2 4 bbls. the 390 makes 300hp stock with the 2bbl, 340 with a 4bbl and 365 with a 6 bbl with everything else stock, so with 2 4 bbls and the other upgrades, it should make over 400hp, now that will be fast, it's already fast with 2bbl. I still love my 77 and I will never sell it, it is my first vehicle. Now if I have something else to drive I will be able to work on fixing it up. And by the way it has never broken down on me ever and there was never anything wrong with it that would have made it undrivable, I have taken it on a 250 one way trip with no problems and honestly I couldn't care less about gas mileage, it used to get 13mpg before the exhaust so now it's probably like 14-15 if you keep it on 2 barrels.I've spoken my mind on the whole car subject and I still think it seems like everyone is being brainwashed by the car companies and somehow I am not affected.
Okay, that last post just explained everything.
Ah, I remember when I was impressionable.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/15/2010, 04:33 PMI've spoken my mind on the whole car subject and I still think it seems like everyone is being brainwashed by the car companies and somehow I am not affected.
LOL more you sound like a brainwashed teenager who is close minded. ;)
Quote from: nectarsis on 08/15/2010, 06:00 PMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/15/2010, 04:33 PMI've spoken my mind on the whole car subject and I still think it seems like everyone is being brainwashed by the car companies and somehow I am not affected.
LOL more you sound like a brainwashed teenager who is close minded. ;)
quite the opposite really
who is this person who brainwashed/impressioned me? No one agrees with me on this subject including my family and I just can't understand why people like new cars so much. I have read everything you've said and I do not agree with you so I guess I am closed minded on this issue, and we will all just have to agree to disagree.
We're not talking just about new cars man. Trust me, people who get it, will get what I meant.
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/15/2010, 06:14 PMwho is this person who brainwashed/impressioned me? No one agrees with me on this subject including my family and I just can't understand why people like new cars so much. I have read everything you've said and I do not agree with you so I guess I am closed minded on this issue, and we will all just have to agree to disagree.
You seem to think (incorrectly) that EVERYONE IS GULLIBLE/BRAINWASHED that all new cars are THE BEST. Considering all you seem to tout is older is OMG fast (that has been proven time and again to be false), and style (which is highly subjective)..you have proven nothing. I for one love the STYLE of older cars, but performance, suspension, reliability not so much. You keep mentioning who cares about gas mileage...but when I can drive something OMG FASTER than you and get much better mileage, with creature comforts...what exactly does an older vehicle "win" at that point?
The fact that NO ONE agrees with you should be a sign. Oh that's right EVERYONE is brainwashed :roll: #-o ](*,)
Quote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/15/2010, 06:14 PMwho is this person who brainwashed/impressioned me? No one agrees with me on this subject including my family and I just can't understand why people like new cars so much. I have read everything you've said and I do not agree with you so I guess I am closed minded on this issue, and we will all just have to agree to disagree.
Believe me, I totally get not liking the shiny new plastic crap. There is a reason I drive an original Miata instead of the new one with giant wheels and four cupholders (yes, it actually has four cup holders...in a roadster, WTF?). New cars are pretty lifeless. Even the new Ferraris just put me to sleep. Six polished Webber carbs are infinitely more cool than a six way adjustable differential. There is no comparison.
Here is the deal though. "Disagreement" is like...you like a different sports team, you like Chevys over Fords, you prefer the taste of beer to whiskey, etc. What you are going through is plainly belligerent denial. The moon landing actually happened, global warming is real, and your truck is slower than any F150 made today, as well as much much worse in the categories of handling safety and fuel economy. Its called "science", kid. The atomic weight of lead is 207.2. Its just is. Any "opinion" you have to the contrary is just wrong. For example: no Saturn needs to have its AC manually switched off to access off its power because the AC shuts itself off at WOT, like any other EFI car. Perhaps your drag strip rival had a broken TPS or, more likely, there are a bunch of Hello Kitty floor mats jammed under the gas pedal keeping it from moving all the way.
I won't say anything about reliability improvements in F trucks since 77 though. Ford has had some real reliability issues in the past 10-15 years so you may well be very far ahead in that way. In general though, most cars go 240,000 miles now needing nothing but scheduled maintenance if you don't wreck them or rust them out first, whereas that would have seemed like science fiction 34 years ago.
BTW, my 100HP 1.6 Miata gets about the same fuel economy as a new 500HP Vette. I'm not bothered by this exactly, but I'm certainly not proud of it.
On a related note, this car was in the news today:
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Can you even believe there was a time when you could buy stuff like this? It just melts me, seriously.
Jesus christ!!! your truck is nice looking.. just leave it at that..its a thread about what you drive.
If you want to make it into something more then go post your thoughts on a truck or car forum and see how you make out.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/15/2010, 07:00 PM1949-Delahaye-175-Roadster.webp
Can you even believe there was a time when you could buy stuff like this? It just melts me, seriously.
This looks like the 1939 Muntz Jet that that guy pulled out of a barn and only had like 22% of the body and frame.
Am I correct this is a Jet?
Oh, BTW good call on the Alfa Romeo, Stutz Bearcat, Ferrari and the little Vauxhall as great examples of styling
stutz bearcats kick ass.
new cars all look doofy.
wow what a car
Quote from: blueravenThis looks like the 1939 Muntz Jet that that guy pulled out of a barn and only had like 22% of the body and frame.
Am I correct this is a Jet?
Its a 1949 Delahaye Roadster, so somewhat retro looking for its time. This one was owned by Diana Dors, and just sold for three million.
QuoteOh, BTW good call on the Alfa Romeo, Stutz Bearcat, Ferrari and the little Vauxhall as great examples of styling
Bearcat? Dude, that's an Aurburn speedster...or rather a kit car of one. Way WAY bigger, and 20 years newer. Also, the thing you thought was a Vauxhall is a Trabant.
You got the Alpha though, that's all that matters. :)
Quote from: blueraven on 08/14/2010, 03:46 PMIt's also $10,000 cheaper than any other car in it's class.
Only if the class is limited to front drive turbo fours, of which the GTI is competitively priced (and a bit slower). The V-6 Genesis Coupe, V-6 Mustang, Subaru WRX, and Lancer Ralliart are similarly priced and at least equally quick, plus they aren't wrong wheel drive and full of torque steer.
Quote from: blueraven on 08/14/2010, 03:46 PMIt will go toe-to-toe with a new Boxter.
No, no it won't. The 3 is a pretty good car, but it can't match a Boxster's numbers for 0-60, quarter mile, slalom, skid pad, or track times, though it's pretty close on stopping distances.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/15/2010, 07:00 PM... there are a bunch of Hello Kitty floor mats jammed under the gas pedal keeping it from moving all the way.
Mwuhahahaha!
I drive a 2000 Nissan Xterra, but now it has a little kick ass of its own. :)
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No they aren't official, but I did order extra of them so check out my trade list if anybody wants to do their own pimpin'. :)
Quote from: guest on 08/16/2010, 11:47 AMQuote from: blueraven on 08/14/2010, 03:46 PMIt's also $10,000 cheaper than any other car in it's class.
Only if the class is limited to front drive turbo fours, of which the GTI is competitively priced (and a bit slower). The V-6 Genesis Coupe, V-6 Mustang, Subaru WRX, and Lancer Ralliart are similarly priced and at least equally quick, plus they aren't wrong wheel drive and full of torque steer.
Generally that is how class is defined, or at least mostly. Price is a factor, but not the most important one. A V6 Mustang isn't a similar car to a Mazda 3 in any meaningful way. Also, V6 Mustangs are just stupid. Any Mustang without a V8 is just...totally stupid. A muscle car with its muscles largely deleted. Pointless. Yes, I know the "week" Mustang is 300HP or something now, but its still totally stupid when the higher HP version is always out there, annoying you. What other purpose is there in owning a Mustang? Its awesome handling? Please, without modification the stock set-up has more understeer than a Pontiac Grand Prix. Its luxurious interior? No, its cheap shit. A Mustang is pointless without the biggest engine you can put in it.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/16/2010, 02:22 PMGenerally that is how class is defined, or at least mostly. Price is a factor, but not the most important one. A V6 Mustang isn't a similar car to a Mazda 3 in any meaningful way.
I see your point, but seeing as they're similarly sized, similarly powerful, and return similar performance numbers, I lump 'em all together as "fun cars that are moderately fast and relatively cheap". I don't really care if it's FWD, RWD, or AWD, nor do I care how many cylinders are under the hood; it's the end results that matter, not the tech. specs that got them there.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/16/2010, 02:22 PMAlso, V6 Mustangs are just stupid. Any Mustang without a V8 is just...totally stupid. A muscle car with its muscles largely deleted. Pointless. Yes, I know the "week" Mustang is 300HP or something now, but its still totally stupid when the higher HP version is always out there, annoying you.
There's always something faster, and not everybody has to have the biggest penis. Besides, there's a big difference between $23,000 and $48,000 (V-6 vs. GT500 cost), and some people do worry about such trivialities.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/16/2010, 02:22 PMWhat other purpose is there in owning a Mustang? Its awesome handling? Please, without modification the stock set-up has more understeer than a Pontiac Grand Prix. Its luxurious interior? No, its cheap shit. A Mustang is pointless without the biggest engine you can put in it.
To some people, Mustangs will never do anything but go fast in a straight line, but why pigeonhole 'em when the evidence shows that they're actually capable of turning a corner nowadays? Go drive one sometime - you might be surprised.
I've never had the chance to really manhandle a current generation Mustang, but there are a great number of them at the local autocrosses. Once they are built to Street Prepaired class they seem alright, but anywhere near stock and they plow like a pig. Working the course when the Stock class new Mustangs are out there is like bathing in a shower of rubber dust. They SHREAD front tires almost as bad as a SRT-4 Caliber. I assume this is because Ford sets them up to be idiot proof. Maybe all they need is a smaller swaybar in the front.
Of course the fancier Roush versions with the independant rear end would fix this too, but that's really expensive. Way too much for a Ford, that's for sure.
ok, I think I see what you are saying I don't really think everyone is brainwashed, and you did give a lot of reasons but in my opinion all the problems are a small price to pay.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/15/2010, 07:00 PMyour truck is slower than any F150 made today
now I KNOW that's not true
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/18/2010, 02:16 AMQuote from: 77FordTruckMan on 08/17/2010, 11:26 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 08/15/2010, 07:00 PMyour truck is slower than any F150 made today
now I KNOW that's not true
OK, whatever.
Exactly Zeta, numbers don't lie. Even the weakest driveline in the new F-150's beats it. A 2011 V6 even more so (giggles).
My 2006 Chevy Uplander will bitch slap all uze with its uber sexyness. lol- Hey, so what if its a Minivan/SUV- I got a family of 6 and it has a entertainment package that allows for great Saturn and Turbo gameplay on long trips! :D
My fuck bucket can be seen in the first few seconds of this video.
http://youtu.be/AW7eiYcV5BI
http://youtu.be/-VV9NOBYDC4
did you know?
NEW!!!! well for me and the family... 2006 KIA Serneto.....
fully loaded leather, V6, sunroof mother f@ckin seat warming bad ass bitch :P... what a ride.......
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x114/sparkss_photo/sornet.jpg)
compared to our old car below a 2001 KIA Rio.... but it was a great, owes us nothing & still runs great with 180,000
Giving it to my buddy for the city :)
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x114/sparkss_photo/007-1.jpg)
If I had to chose from either of those...it would honestly be a hard choice. I think I'd take the Rio, even though from my experience its possibly the worst car I've ever driven, at least its not an SUV.
Is your last name "Kia" or something?
That Rio is gut less as hell but once you get it going it rides great!!!!
Don't look down on me because its an SUV... it will be my wife's drive around town and with the 2 kids, 2 dogs and all our shit it will have the room for weekend trips only.
Will not be my commuter... i have a Saturn for that :)
OMG, you've owned a whopping two Kias! Are you Korean or own the company or something? :roll:
In all fairness, Kia has come a loooong way from that piece of crap Rio. And it was comfortable once it was up to speed. I remember it having a large dead pedal and driver's arm rest that seemed like they were from a more expensive car. My problem wasn't the power though, it was just the general shittiness of everything. It wasn't a charming shitty like an air cooled VW Beatle or Ford Festiva either. Its just, "If we make this cheap enough we can steel %.5 of Toyotas bushiness, which is like 500,000,000,000,000 won, dude!" kind of shitty. Like, Naki PS1 controller kind of shitty. The sheet metal in the trunk deck, for example, was so thin and semi-formed I actually cut myself on it while loading the trunk. It also doesn't like being driven through the mountains with more than two people in it.
My question though is why anyone would own any Korean car except for the Genesis coupe. They are basically unlicensed knock-offs of of other cars, usually Hondas. If the $3000 difference in price is a make or break factor in so far as payments (in which case, you shouldn't probably have a car loan anyway, but that's another matter) I'd rather just have a two year old version of the Honda.
When I buy a car, I intend (have failed every time so far) to keep it for the rest of my life. It being brand new today is temporary. If I could stand to own an SUV for 10 seconds, I'd so much rather have a 6 year old Honda Element for half of what a new Kia cost. In 10 years the Element will still be a kick-ass little truck/car/box thing, and the Kia...it will probably have already been recycled by then because nobody really will love it enough to replace the automatic transmission in it when it eventually goes.
As usually, I just like cars too much.
I like your cars sparky. Don't lissen to the haters! :) Kias have gotten a lot better over the years, maybe not as fast as hyundai but still. There's no shame in going with economical cars.
Its all about your experience with a car and mine with the 2001 Kia Rio has been great... now a lot of what you say about it zeta is true but the main things under the hood like the motor has never failed me/my wife once, not once!!!!! So the answer was buy a KIA again.
At the time we needed something affordable & since we had just bought a house that piece of shit Rio fit the bill :).
There is a BIG difference in prices between a Honda and a KIA and i like buying new and with that the RIO had 0% financing back then and a solid warranty.
I own a car for life as well Zeta, but we are not keeping the RIO (giving it to my buddy for the city) , main reason we are getting rid of it was the no room factor,
felt like a clown car when the family and animals all piled in & out of it :P
Quote from: guest on 05/10/2011, 11:03 AMfelt like a clown car when the family and animals all piled in & out of it :P
Uh-huh; truth be told you needed more wine hauling capacity. :P
I drive an antique Mopar thats owns all your asses. (at 4 miles to a gallon it owns my ass too :) )
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I also drive the DSM's, one built one not as well as the chopper. I collect cars like you guys collect video games
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(I would kill for a 916 Duck but i got in way too much trouble on an R6)
http://youtu.be/h6QmdniSIUk
Wow, sounds awesome. Those are some fun toys. My next big purchase will likely be a motorcycle. I recently got my permit and protective gear so I'm ready to ride!
This is Bertha. She's not my daily driver, but I take her out as often as I can:
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I feel your MPG woes, Terry. On a good day Bertha gets 8 MPG. But with a V10 engine that puts out over 450 HP and carries a small house what can you expect. :)
lmao Easier to have sex in too!
True! But you don't have to worry about low hanging overpasses while driving yours!
Man I wish you could enter the height of your vehicle into the average GPS. :D
hahahahahaha yeah that would be a useful addition.
Nice Mopar, terry. Is that a Coronet Super Bee? What year?
That is a 69 Bee, Thats a true Bee not a clone. The give aways are the headlight/grill area and tail lights. The 68 Bee had more if a "Grid" looking grill IMO.
Its a 383 (not original block) but it is an HP rotating assy (forged crank and rods) with a set of 906 heads welded and ported to MX specs. lot of other little goodies but she gets up and lets you know who's boss...lol Still needs a lot of fine tuning ect.
Original 4 speed and 8 3/4 rear end (diff ring/pinion)
Thanks for the kind words.
Terry
Have you had her down the track to see what she runs? I bet she's a handful, but in a good way.
NO havent had time. The track I would have to take it to is either Byron or Great Lakes, which are 1 hour away. RT66 is close but tech will not let me put her on the track. (Fuel Line is run in factory location.)
I have done a lot of Engine dyno work and just some street time.
Terry
Bought this Volvo V70 -00 last year when my old Mitsu Galant V6 -93 went to Cars heaven.
This V70 is a Classic version which means it got all thinkable accessories and the engine is 5 cyl 150hp
(http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac360/HobbyData/VolvoV701.jpg)
(http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac360/HobbyData/VolvoV702.jpg)
(http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac360/HobbyData/VolvoV703.jpg)
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I love it.
Volvo. They're boxy but they're good.
Quote from: guest on 05/12/2011, 04:44 PMVolvo. They're boxy but they're good.
One of my all-time favorite movies.
Sony. Bony.
wipers for headlights are about the most useless accessory I've ever seen on a vehicle.
Quote from: guyjin on 05/12/2011, 08:40 PMwipers for headlights are about the most useless accessory I've ever seen on a vehicle.
You obviously don't drive in many blizzards :P
Quote from: NecroPhile on 05/12/2011, 04:44 PMVolvo. They're boxy but they're good.
well said!! :P
Quote from: nectarsis on 05/12/2011, 09:24 PMYou obviously don't drive in many blizzards :P
I drive in plenty of blizzards. I just brush off my own headlights first. Even with a thick coating of snow on the headlights, they still provide a good amount of light.
Quote from: guyjin on 05/12/2011, 09:58 PMQuote from: nectarsis on 05/12/2011, 09:24 PMYou obviously don't drive in many blizzards :P
I drive in plenty of blizzards. I just brush off my own headlights first. Even with a thick coating of snow on the headlights, they still provide a good amount of light.
I'd have killed to have had em on 8 hour round trips to get my daughter when my headlights were basically worthless. :P
Had foglamps and Wipers on my headlights in my 1990 Mercedes Benz 300E 4-Matic. My last-3-years-in-Wisconsin car.
Was fucking clutch in blizzards. An absolute necessity. I did all my own work on that car.
Heated seats too.
Quote from: nectarsis on 05/12/2011, 09:24 PMQuote from: guyjin on 05/12/2011, 08:40 PMwipers for headlights are about the most useless accessory I've ever seen on a vehicle.
You obviously don't drive in many blizzards :P
Quoted for truth :mrgreen:
Wipers on headlights were a thing for about a minute on medium to high end European cars. As far as I know they no longer exist on new models. Instead they have nozzles than squirt washer solvent on the headlights along with heated lenses which is a much better system. Vastly more reliable, that's for sure.
On the nicer cars the nozzle actually pops out of the bumper cover, squirts, then goes back in. Its pretty cool.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/13/2011, 01:54 AMOn the nicer cars the nozzle actually pops out of the bumper cover, squirts, then goes back in. Its pretty cool.
That is pretty cool :D
nulls joke thread links to the real what do you drive thread so here it is back from 2011
I'll show my ride
This picture is pretty old but the only one i found on my ftp, car looks the same though
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fun car, have had it for 8 years? it needs a little work so It doesn't make it out much, use to be my daily driver in the non winter months
I end up driving a beat up civic most of the time.
My girl is still on the road... 500,000 km on her now so I think she is broke in :P
I do not see many of her on the road these days. She will be 15 next year :)
That a girl (( tear ))
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R.I.P. 1996 Red Honda Civic Hatchback :(
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/honda_civic_1996.jpg)
Two weeks ago I had to say goodbye to my old friend.
At least 400,000 miles on that little bastard.
The odometer broke over 10 years ago. But I averaged at least 20,000 miles a year, so....
My poor car...loyal for 20 years...but I did not make any repairs* for the past two years and instead of fixing her up, I opted to purchase my brother's old car (2008 Honda Civic).
His old car = my new car.
* repairs needed on my old car:
New windshield
New exhaust pipe + muffler
Possibly new catalytic converter
New tires
Overheating
Trivia: The old-timers may recognize the 2006 Honda Odyssey. Mandatory vehicle for three kids in suburbia.
These days the Miata mostly sleeps in the garage between track days and club events and whatnot.
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The cat keeps the chipmunks out...
And for work and back every day I now have this fire breathing monster.
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In keeping with tradition every car I've had for the last 20 years has had an engine displacement equal to or smaller than the one before (excluding my girlfriend's 2.0 TDI which gets better economy than anything either of us has owned). I'm now down to 1.5L.
Current line up
My personal car. 1.8 4 cylinder Vauxhall insignia with 55000 miles
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Wife's company car BMW 1 series 1.5 3cylinder diesel 2500 miles.
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Shitty work Hyundai
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Recently upgraded 😃
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I am fully expecting flames, but man I really have enjoyed this car over the past couple years. So spacious, rides smooth, easy to drive. Makes my 1hr commute fly by, enjoying music and comfortable seats while cruse controlling up and down steep hills with no engine revving, I love it.
Quote from: Gredler on 05/12/2016, 02:01 PM(https://i.imgur.com/poijx6v.jpg)
I am fully expecting flames, but man I really have enjoyed this car over the past couple years. So spacious, rides smooth, easy to drive. Makes my 1hr commute fly by, enjoying music and comfortable seats while cruse controlling up and down steep hills with no engine revving, I love it.
Looks like a ford mondeo. Nothing wrong with that. It's the quintessential mr average car.
It's a Taurus. It's just like a Mondeo except it's HUUUUUUUUGE. Absolutely enormous.
Incidenly Taurus sales are down %90 since the 80s and they are canceling the car. Maybe Ford is surprised but I don't see how anyone else could be.
Quote from: esteban on 05/12/2016, 12:29 AMR.I.P. 1996 Red Honda Civic Hatchback :(
Two weeks ago I had to say goodbye to my old friend.
At least 400,000 miles on that little bastard.
The odometer broke over 10 years ago. But I averaged at least 20,000 miles a year, so....
My poor car...loyal for 20 years...but I did not make any repairs* for the past two years and instead of fixing her up, I opted to purchase my brother's old car (2008 Honda Civic).
His old car = my new car.
* repairs needed on my old car:
New windshield
New exhaust pipe + muffler
Possibly new catalytic converter
New tires
Overheating
Trivia: The old-timers may recognize the 2006 Honda Odyssey. Mandatory vehicle for three kids in suburbia.
Honda Civics are great cars and are absolute workhorses. My wife had a 97 Civic that had 325k miles on it. It was still going strong until late last year when her little brother (new driver) used it and ended up wrecking it.
(https://i.imgur.com/KAUm2zD.jpg)
I drive an older Honda:
(https://i.imgur.com/Dw8nFNm.jpg)
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 02:59 PMIt's a Taurus. It's just like a Mondeo except it's HUUUUUUUUGE. Absolutely enormous.
Incidenly Taurus sales are down %90 since the 80s and they are canceling the car. Maybe Ford is surprised but I don't see how anyone else could be.
It is a Taurus, and their popularity made this car about 1/2 the cost of the competitor cars that I was looking at. Yeah I was looking for a large car. I have bad knees and am 6"2 pushing 6"3 and wanted to be able to extend my legs completely while cruse controlling on my commute.
When shopping for a car I brought my hockey equipment bag with me to the dealerships, and I put my bag in the trunk of every car I test drove, this is the only one besides the hyundai genesis that my bag spaciously fit into the trunk. If the bag fit, I got in and stretched my legs out completely. Those were my main two criteria for picking a car within a specific budget, and this was the best I could find for that.
For such a big car, I don't notice a huge difference in how it drives compared to my previous car a 2003 Mazda Protoge 5. Right now I am really happy with it, though it's my first american car and I've heard such horrible ford horror stories, I am hopeful that happiness continues without issue.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 02:59 PMIt's a Taurus. It's just like a Mondeo except it's HUUUUUUUUGE. Absolutely enormous.
Incidenly Taurus sales are down %90 since the 80s and they are canceling the car. Maybe Ford is surprised but I don't see how anyone else could be.
Technically, the Taurus died after the 07' model year but when Alan Mulally took over as CEO he immediately brought the name back and slapped it on the refreshed Ford Five Hundred. Then Taurus rebooted for 10' and freshened in 12' or 13'. Taurus was selling like gang busters until the current Fusion went on sale but I have never heard that they had plans to discontinue it (again).
Quote from: Desh on 05/12/2016, 04:49 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 02:59 PMIt's a Taurus. It's just like a Mondeo except it's HUUUUUUUUGE. Absolutely enormous.
Incidenly Taurus sales are down %90 since the 80s and they are canceling the car. Maybe Ford is surprised but I don't see how anyone else could be.
Technically, the Taurus died after the 07' model year but when Alan Mulally took over as CEO he immediately brought the name back and slapped it on the refreshed Ford Five Hundred. Then Taurus rebooted for 10' and freshened in 12' or 13'. Taurus was selling like gang busters until the current Fusion went on sale but I have never heard that they had plans to discontinue it (again).
Everyone who gets in my car can't believe it's a taurus, I found out about it while test driving a fusion I was considering buying, when I mentioned to the salesman I was looking for something bigger, he showed me the taurus and I was pretty danm amped. I looked at a lot of the mid sized and full size sedans, I needed something with a trunk so that my hockey gear didn't make my car smell like a locker room, so the range of vehicles I was looking at was fairly specific, but I completely ignored the taurus until then. Like I said, not the most amazing eye catching loveable and crazy to drive vehicle, but for my needs I couldn't be happier :)
I drive a 2003 Honda civic 2 door with like 174k and still going strong. It's been paid off since '08 so no car payment since then has been nice. It's getting close to the time that I'm considering getting a new car. Everyone gives me crap for driving such an old car when I could easily get a new one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus
See the section "sales".
Forty thousand sold per year is a total bomb for Ford. They sold 130,000 Fiesta, 200,000 Focus, 400,000 Fusions, and 780,000 F trucks in 2015.
Soon it will only be available in the US as a cop car, which I guess is good because then cops will be easier to see.
But all is not lost for Hockey fans. The "station wagon" was invented ages ago and will haul all your Hockey stuff with ease. I honestly have no idea how big a Hockey bag is or what it looks like but if it fits in the trunk of a Taurus I'm pretty sure it would fit in my girlfriend's Jetta Sportwagon as well. Most wagons are German these days but there are few random ones out there still. Subaru, Mazda, and some others.
Quote from: ginoscope on 05/12/2016, 05:04 PMI drive a 2003 Honda civic 2 door with like 174k and still going strong. It's been paid off since '08 so no car payment since then has been nice. It's getting close to the time that I'm considering getting a new car. Everyone gives me crap for driving such an old car when I could easily get a new one.
No new Civic is as good as that one. I say keep it.
I finally decided to trade in my GTO for a Chevy SS last October. Yeah, it looks like a Malibu, but I'm actually ok with that. :D It's pretty amazing how much tech has changed in cars in years! A lot of it is cool, but I swear the thing is constantly chiming some alarm or another.
(https://i.imgur.com/ktKc19h.jpg)
It has a HUD which I'm convinced is the coolest thing I've ever seen. :D DISCLAIMER: I've never seen a boob, but there's no way it's cooler than this.
(https://i.imgur.com/iTlEdP5.jpg)
I also had a 2004 Grand Cherokee which was awesome in the snow, but not so awesome in a collision with an F150 in a blizzard. :(
(https://i.imgur.com/ZyCCQGB.png)
I'm probably going to have to find another 4WD/AWD for the winter, the SS is a lot of fun to drive, but absolutely terrible in any amount of snow.
I drive
88 Camry Wagon
86 Corolla 4 Door RetardMobile9000
09 Rav4
I would take pictures but I am lazy. Go use google. I'll find pictures later.
Maybe I posted one in here before.
Toyotas rule.
Sadler: 4WD is a scam. Snow tires will make that car %100 awesome in the winter.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 05:26 PMSadler: 4WD is a scam. Snow tires will make that car %100 awesome in the winter.
That would certainly be a helluva lot cheaper. School me on this, do people get a second set of rims for snow tires or just haul in the tires to a shop and have them switch them out for winter/summer? I've lived in CO most of my life, but I've never actually had snow tires.
Quote from: Sadler on 05/12/2016, 05:30 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 05:26 PMSadler: 4WD is a scam. Snow tires will make that car %100 awesome in the winter.
That would certainly be a helluva lot cheaper. School me on this, do people get a second set of rims for snow tires or just haul in the tires to a shop and have them switch them out for winter/summer? I've lived in CO most of my life, but I've never actually had snow tires.
In Ohio, we just use Snow Tires all year round because Cleveland gets snow in fucking May, sometimes June, probably August.
lol.
It depends how cheap you are. Some people don't want to buy rims/fuck around, so they go to a shop and swap them.
People who know how to work a jack and turn a thing in circles until the tire falls off tend to get another set of rims. It pays for itself after like, 1 year of swapping?
Quote from: Sadler on 05/12/2016, 05:30 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 05:26 PMSadler: 4WD is a scam. Snow tires will make that car %100 awesome in the winter.
That would certainly be a helluva lot cheaper. School me on this, do people get a second set of rims for snow tires or just haul in the tires to a shop and have them switch them out for winter/summer? I've lived in CO most of my life, but I've never actually had snow tires.
The most straightforward way of doing this is to go to a place like Tire Rack and just have them mail you mounted and ballenced winter wheels on cheap steelies. It's about a grand or less for most cars.
For my Sportwagon I got Blizzack LMs because my girlfriend doesn't slow down. The 2014 VWs use wheels speed sensor data for TPMS so they are conventional rims with no sensors. It was about $850. I don't know if the SS uses sensors or not. If it does figure another $150-300.
For the Fit I'm actually using a set that was originally for my Miata, the Blizack WS, which is significantly better on truely terrible roads but very soft and kinda overkill for most of the US where roads are extremely well maintained in the winter. This was about $700. Sadly the Fit does need TPMS sensors and obviously the Miata wheels didn't have them so I had the light on all winter and couldn't turn off the traction control.
I would not recommend actually getting the tires remounted every year but that is an option. I tend to avoid ever having another person touch my car stuff so having separate wheels works out a lot better for me since I can swap wheels at home but I don't have any tire equipment. Also, every time you mount a tire you risk damaging the tire or the wheel. Steelies are $40-60 a piece, meaning after a year or two they'll pay for themselves in what they save you in remounting.
Awesome, thanks guys! :D I'll give snow tires a shot this year.
+1 on getting snowshoes. I run a set of Blizzaks on steel wheels, and they let me get around just fine in the slick stuff. As expected, they're pretty crap on wet or dry pavement compared to a summer only tire, and they obviously ain't gonna help if you have deep snow problems and get high centered. If I had to do it over again, though, I'd have paid a little extra for decent looking alloy wheels. Do they even make steelies big enough to fit over the big ass brakes on many cars nowadays?
Zeta's prices might work for whatever fits a Fit or Jetta, but expect something closer to $2k for your SS for wheels, tires, and sensors. Whatever you do, don't remount annually; unless you drive a lot of miles and wear out the tires quickly, you'll end up ruining the bead long before the tread is gone.
Quote from: Sadler on 05/12/2016, 05:18 PMIt has a HUD which I'm convinced is the coolest thing I've ever seen.
My aunt's Buick Regal had that.... in '96. The more things change, the more they stay the same, eh?
GM started doing what with Pontiacs in the late 80s. They have to discontinue it and bring it back once in a while otherwise nobody would be impressed.
I just checked some prices and yeah, the macho sized tires of the SS make for macho sized tire bills. Well over $200 per tire whereas the 14" Blizack WSs on my Fit were like $80 when I got them, I think about $125 for the 17"s on the VW. You really pay for those big wheels. I can't imagine what a decent set of UHPs must cost.
Steelies are still cheap, and yeah they make them in every size. However, at least currently, they don't offer them at Tire Rack so the cheapest alloys they have are $140 in that size.
So it's $1800 for a package and that's only because Blizzack LMs are on clearance. Fucking A that's expensive. It'll be $1000 for almost anything decent tire-wise with that car without wheels even.
So instead of snow tires, park that fucker, buy a five year old Cobalt and get snow tires for that. It would be cheaper.
I have owned a crap ton of cars over the years. The current driveway features:
My 95' Taurus SHO. It's the 10th SHO I've owned including parts cars. It's been great considering I paid $1200 for it about 6 years ago. Nothing fancy just some suspension mods, bigger brakes and a little exhaust work.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/SHOracer14/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150318_192840_zpskrebkx1y.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/SHOracer14/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150318_192840_zpskrebkx1y.jpg.html)
Recently purchased this 03' Yukon for the wife to drive as the new family hauler. Was looking for something new but, it was so clean and the price was too good to pass up (I don't like car payments).
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/SHOracer14/Mobile%20Uploads/20160229_073549_zpspc413g6q.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/SHOracer14/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160229_073549_zpspc413g6q.jpg.html)
I can't find a picture but also have an 09' Pontiac Vibe GT. Sold my Impala SS to buy it for the wife when we were expecting our first child. Since we got the Yukon and I obtained a new job the Vibe has become my daily and it's definitely not my style. I'm planning to sell it and the SHO soon and look for a clean early to mid 2000's GM W-body with a supercharged 3.8 like my old GTP.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/SHOracer14/GTP.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/SHOracer14/media/GTP.jpg.html)
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 05:06 PMBut all is not lost for Hockey fans. The "station wagon" was invented ages ago and will haul all your Hockey stuff with ease. I honestly have no idea how big a Hockey bag is or what it looks like but if it fits in the trunk of a Taurus I'm pretty sure it would fit in my girlfriend's Jetta Sportwagon as well. Most wagons are German these days but there are few random ones out there still. Subaru, Mazda, and some others.
You must've glazed over one of my points in picking this car,
Quote from: Gredler on 05/12/2016, 04:59 PMI looked at a lot of the mid sized and full size sedans, I needed something with a trunk so that my hockey gear didn't make my car smell like a locker room, so the range of vehicles I was looking at was fairly specific, but I completely ignored the taurus until then.
Station wagons are great, that's what I had in high school through college until a little under two years ago when I got this car (from a volvo 740L to the mazda protoge 5, which was basically what is now the mazda 3) But if you don't know what a hockey bag looks like, you sure as shit don't know what it smells like. 7 years old, 100's of hours of use, leather which is unwashable outside of hand scrubbing but can never get all creases and fold cleaned. Imagine the smelliest shit in the world, and double it. It was myth busted as the smelliest sport, and often comes up as tops of the worst smelling sports. So much equipment, so hard to keep clean. It doesn't bother me so much, 22 years of having it all over my body and in my face has made me more than acclimated to the oder, but guests in my cars have always made comments and been very uncomfortable because of the crazy smell. I think at every job I've driven people to lunch once... once. So yeah, I needed a car with a huge trunk that is in a separate compartment from the cab, no more hatch backs here, that's a thing of the past for me.
With the death of the Taurus line another full size sedan will spring up. I would've rather gotten the Hyundai Genesis but it was 2x as much, or I would've had to gotten a 5 year older model to stay within the same budget. I'm sure I'll have large car/trunk options in the future - us "hockey fans" aren't going anywhere and purchase vehicles too :D
In case you're wondering why I have to have my gear, I almost always play after work, so I have to pack my equipment in the morning, put it in my vehicle and drive to work, then go to the rink on my way home. When I was playing every day of the week the gear never would have a chance to completely dry, so on hot days I'd come out to my car and the windows would be fogged/steamed with condensation from my gear, guests love that :)
Station wagons are great. My beater is a 93 Subaru Impreza L wagon (Fwd). I use it like a truck. I've hauled countless things like wheels/tires, car bumpers/parts, can recycling, wood, etc. Also helped many people move with my wagon. Not much to look at, but here's an old pic...
(https://i.imgur.com/3aKO5IA.jpg)
Quote from: Gredler on 05/12/2016, 08:21 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 05:06 PMBut all is not lost for Hockey fans. The "station wagon" was invented ages ago and will haul all your Hockey stuff with ease. I honestly have no idea how big a Hockey bag is or what it looks like but if it fits in the trunk of a Taurus I'm pretty sure it would fit in my girlfriend's Jetta Sportwagon as well. Most wagons are German these days but there are few random ones out there still. Subaru, Mazda, and some others.
You must've glazed over one of my points in picking this car,
Quote from: Gredler on 05/12/2016, 04:59 PMI looked at a lot of the mid sized and full size sedans, I needed something with a trunk so that my hockey gear didn't make my car smell like a locker room, so the range of vehicles I was looking at was fairly specific, but I completely ignored the taurus until then.
Station wagons are great, that's what I had in high school through college until a little under two years ago when I got this car (from a volvo 740L to the mazda protoge 5, which was basically what is now the mazda 3) But if you don't know what a hockey bag looks like, you sure as shit don't know what it smells like. 7 years old, 100's of hours of use, leather which is unwashable outside of hand scrubbing but can never get all creases and fold cleaned. Imagine the smelliest shit in the world, and double it. It was myth busted as the smelliest sport, and often comes up as tops of the worst smelling sports. So much equipment, so hard to keep clean. It doesn't bother me so much, 22 years of having it all over my body and in my face has made me more than acclimated to the oder, but guests in my cars have always made comments and been very uncomfortable because of the crazy smell. I think at every job I've driven people to lunch once... once. So yeah, I needed a car with a huge trunk that is in a separate compartment from the cab, no more hatch backs here, that's a thing of the past for me.
With the death of the Taurus line another full size sedan will spring up. I would've rather gotten the Hyundai Genesis but it was 2x as much, or I would've had to gotten a 5 year older model to stay within the same budget. I'm sure I'll have large car/trunk options in the future - us "hockey fans" aren't going anywhere and purchase vehicles too :D
In case you're wondering why I have to have my gear, I almost always play after work, so I have to pack my equipment in the morning, put it in my vehicle and drive to work, then go to the rink on my way home. When I was playing every day of the week the gear never would have a chance to completely dry, so on hot days I'd come out to my car and the windows would be fogged/steamed with condensation from my gear, guests love that :)
Hah!
Smelliest Sport Ever!
It sounds like what hockey fans need is a trailer. Or maybe a body bag for their hockey bag. Now I'm even less interested in the game. I do like Nintendo Ice Hockey though. That game is extremely solid.
Btw, while there isn't a huge amount airflow between your trunk and the rest of the car it's absolutely not sealed. Look for the stank to spread eventually.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 10:05 PMIt sounds like what hockey fans need is a trailer. Or maybe a body bag for their hockey bag. Now I'm even less interested in the game. I do like Nintendo Ice Hockey though. That game is extremely solid.
Btw, while there isn't a huge amount airflow between your trunk and the rest of the car it's absolutely not sealed. Look for the stank to spread eventually.
Ice Hockey and Blades of Steel are still quite fun to play.
:)
Quote from: esteban on 05/12/2016, 10:49 PMIce Hockey and Blades of Steel are still quite fun to play.
They're fun in short bursts, but lack the depth and technical prowess of the glorious TV Sports Hockey :)
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 10:05 PMBtw, while there isn't a huge amount airflow between your trunk and the rest of the car it's absolutely not sealed. Look for the stank to spread eventually.
Yeah the seats fold down in the back making it very functional but yes far from air tight - but better than those cars with passthroughs (from what I've heard from team mates).
Terrible odor spreading from the trunk to the rear seat is inevitable, but 2 years into owning this thing and I have yet to smell any residual stench, where as in a hatchback day 1 and that entire vehicle would smell worse than bigfoots dick.
Quote from: esteban on 05/12/2016, 10:49 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 10:05 PMIt sounds like what hockey fans need is a trailer. Or maybe a body bag for their hockey bag. Now I'm even less interested in the game. I do like Nintendo Ice Hockey though. That game is extremely solid.
Btw, while there isn't a huge amount airflow between your trunk and the rest of the car it's absolutely not sealed. Look for the stank to spread eventually.
Ice Hockey and Blades of Steel are still quite fun to play.
:)
Fuck Blades of Steel. I'm sick of people needing to mention it every time I mention Ice Hockey. There is no comparison. Blades has five guys and fights but I don't give a shit for the same reason I don't care that Daisenryaku is more realistic and has more pieces than chess.
Ice Hockey is like that. It's perfect at being what it is, a video game.
Blades was very well made but it's embarrassed by its own flaws. Ice Hockey doesn't care that there are only three players. It has three players because that's what it needs to be a good game. It doesn't need a super shitty fighting mini-game thrown in so it doesn't have it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Android77/12552586_10100401311825218_6568626128391577153_n.jpg)
lol
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/Android77/38913_555836617338_1855262_n.jpg)
YEAHHHHHHH
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Quote.... would smell worse than bigfoots dick.
How would you know that?
(yes, I understand it's hyperbole - an exaggeration.)
Quote from: TheOldMan on 05/13/2016, 02:33 AMQuote.... would smell worse than bigfoots dick.
How would you know that?
(yes, I understand it's hyperbole - an exaggeration.)
Because hockey gear smells even worse than sex panther.
http://youtu.be/oG1qsnwEi_w
True to my member name, I used to drive a Jetta TDI, but I recently sold it since it was starting to give me trouble and I was spending most of my weekends working on it. I actually enjoy working on cars, but at this point in my life, I don't have time for constant repairs. So I've switched back over to my truck as a daily driver.
I've had it since 2008, but it was only a part time vehicle for most of those years. I'm still on the look out for a small, cheap, and efficient daily driver for work.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/9fba/f8db6822q1am9de4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/f8db6822q1am9de/11-16-08_004.jpg)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b76a/x29lz77vpdtiywt4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/x29lz77vpdtiywt/11-16-08_022.jpg)
Quote from: Desh on 05/12/2016, 07:58 PMI have owned a crap ton of cars over the years. The current driveway features:
My 95' Taurus SHO. It's the 10th SHO I've owned including parts cars. It's been great considering I paid $1200 for it about 6 years ago. Nothing fancy just some suspension mods, bigger brakes and a little exhaust work.
Nice. That is my original "favorite car." The SHO is what got me started as a car person (I was about 8 when I first saw one).
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/13/2016, 01:07 AMQuote from: esteban on 05/12/2016, 10:49 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/12/2016, 10:05 PMIt sounds like what hockey fans need is a trailer. Or maybe a body bag for their hockey bag. Now I'm even less interested in the game. I do like Nintendo Ice Hockey though. That game is extremely solid.
Btw, while there isn't a huge amount airflow between your trunk and the rest of the car it's absolutely not sealed. Look for the stank to spread eventually.
Ice Hockey and Blades of Steel are still quite fun to play.
:)
Fuck Blades of Steel. I'm sick of people needing to mention it every time I mention Ice Hockey. There is no comparison. Blades has five guys and fights but I don't give a shit for the same reason I don't care that Daisenryaku is more realistic and has more pieces than chess.
Ice Hockey is like that. It's perfect at being what it is, a video game.
Blades was very well made but it's embarrassed by its own flaws. Ice Hockey doesn't care that there are only three players. It has three players because that's what it needs to be a good game. It doesn't need a super shitty fighting mini-game thrown in so it doesn't have it.
Blades of Steel is still fun to play, regardless of your own vendettas.
Now, grab a bottle Quaaludes and prepare for the following:
Hogan's Alley is still friggin' awesome, and superior to Lethal Enforcers (all platforms).
:)
However, Lethal Enforcers is still fun as hell. In fact, they are both damn fine games.
I don't have a problem with BoS, I just have a problem with the fact that EVERY TIME someone mentions Ice Hockey someone else has to bring up BoS like they are joined at the hip. This has been going on since 1987 and it's bullshit.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/13/2016, 10:04 PMI don't have a problem with BoS, I just have a problem with the fact that EVERY TIME someone mentions Ice Hockey someone else has to bring up BoS like they are joined at the hip. This has been going on since 1987 and it's bullshit.
Blades of Steel was a breath of fresh air when it was released.
That is the context in which I know the game.
It took some time before I was able to go back and appreciate Ice Hockey, since the newer BoS was so nice.
The same goes for Bonk 1 after Bonk 2 was released.
Or MegaMan1 after MegaMan2.
Or Castlevania 1 after Castlevania2.
P.S. If Ice Hockey allowed me to play Mario Bros. or Donkey Kong or Ice Climber during intermission....well, that would have helped This Prodgial Gamer return home sooner to the teat of Nintendo.
:)
No joke, though, it took some time before I rediscovered the majesty of Bonk 1, MegaMan 1 and Castlevania 1...I was thoroughly enraptured with the sequels.
Since Nintendo never followed-up Ice Hockey with a sequel, Blades of Steel was de facto sequel.
The biggest crime, IMHO, is that Hogan's Alley never got a sequel.
I played it in the arcade all the time...and the NES version was nice, but I wanted more Hogan in my Alley.
I'm serious. There was just something so satisfying and pleasing about the entire experience and progression through the game....but it deserved to have an "XTREME" adrenaline-infused follow-up.
Have you played Police Trainer?
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/14/2016, 01:56 PMHave you played Police Trainer?
Yes, but do you think it has the charm of an old-skool Nintendo game?
I want to whole package.
I want solid game mechanics + atmosphere + charming aesthetics.
Police Trainer = sterile.
Hogan's Alley = oozing with charm (relatively speaking)
Get a room you two!
Quote from: guest on 05/14/2016, 05:13 PMGet a room you two!
I know, right?!
I'll take a picture of my "new" generic car tomorrow.
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Also have a 1990 Miata I'm building up to get into tracking/racing with. So slow and yet so fun to drive.
Man, I thought I was old.
Not very exciting.
2008 Honda Civic
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/honda_civic_2008.jpg)
"Do not crash into my new car!" I bellow at the kids.
They promptly ignore the humble request.
I also have a 2008 Honda Civic. But it's a coupe, not a sedan. And a manual transmission. I've probably already posted somewhere in this thread about it. 100% paid off. That's my favorite feature.
The European civic is quite different to the US variant.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510031104/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160517/20230b2ecfc045ee0644ea35c23237ad.jpg)
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m632/780racer/12042632_10153207261883358_3759756641551282410_n.jpg)
That is my Track toy^. I have had it for 6 years. 03 Miata.
My Daily is just a silly ole 2007 Mini Cooper S.
Quote from: TDIRunner on 05/13/2016, 05:15 PMQuote from: Desh on 05/12/2016, 07:58 PMI have owned a crap ton of cars over the years. The current driveway features:
My 95' Taurus SHO. It's the 10th SHO I've owned including parts cars. It's been great considering I paid $1200 for it about 6 years ago. Nothing fancy just some suspension mods, bigger brakes and a little exhaust work.
Nice. That is my original "favorite car." The SHO is what got me started as a car person (I was about 8 when I first saw one).
I've always liked "sleepers" and the 1st and 2nd generation SHO fit the bill. While under powered by today's standards, they were the fastest production car Ford sold back in the day. There is still nothing like the sound of the secondary intake runners opening and hearing the Yamaha engine scream to redline. Jelloslug on the forum has a really nice SHO that you can pretty much say he rebuilt from the ground up. I remember following his mod and build threads intently on SHOforum.com back in the day.
Quote from: Desh on 05/17/2016, 04:31 PMQuote from: TDIRunner on 05/13/2016, 05:15 PMQuote from: Desh on 05/12/2016, 07:58 PMI have owned a crap ton of cars over the years. The current driveway features:
My 95' Taurus SHO. It's the 10th SHO I've owned including parts cars. It's been great considering I paid $1200 for it about 6 years ago. Nothing fancy just some suspension mods, bigger brakes and a little exhaust work.
Nice. That is my original "favorite car." The SHO is what got me started as a car person (I was about 8 when I first saw one).
I've always liked "sleepers" and the 1st and 2nd generation SHO fit the bill. While under powered by today's standards, they were the fastest production car Ford sold back in the day. There is still nothing like the sound of the secondary intake runners opening and hearing the Yamaha engine scream to redline. Jelloslug on the forum has a really nice SHO that you can pretty much say he rebuilt from the ground up. I remember following his mod and build threads intently on SHOforum.com back in the day.
I'm also a big fan of "sleepers." About the time I was getting a license, my Dad had a '97 Buick Regal GS. Like the SHO, it isn't fast by today's standards, but back in '97 it was faster than just about anything with 4 doors. I used to love embarrassing people at stop lights. I was pretty excited when they brought the GS back (around 2010) available with a manual transmission option. I just with the current Regal wasn't so small.
Quote from: TDIRunner on 05/17/2016, 05:25 PMI just with the current Regal wasn't so small.
Dude, finding a "big" car is actually kinda hard! The Taurus and Genesis were the only two I enjoyed driving, but also fit spaciously in with my aforementioned gear.
BIG CAR REVOLUTION! Bring it back! Make America great again!
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/17/2016, 03:27 AMI also have a 2008 Honda Civic. But it's a coupe, not a sedan. And a manual transmission. I've probably already posted somewhere in this thread about it. 100% paid off. That's my favorite feature.
I always love seeing others that still drive manuals. Not counting my wife's cars, I've only owned two automatics in my entire life, and I owned each of them for less than 12 months.
Quote from: TDIRunner on 05/17/2016, 05:39 PMQuote from: Joe Redifer on 05/17/2016, 03:27 AMI also have a 2008 Honda Civic. But it's a coupe, not a sedan. And a manual transmission. I've probably already posted somewhere in this thread about it. 100% paid off. That's my favorite feature.
I always love seeing others that still drive manuals. Not counting my wife's cars, I've only owned two automatics in my entire life, and I owned each of them for less than 12 months.
82' Datsun 200SX manual
84' Ford Festiva manual
There's no such thing as an '84 Festiva!
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/17/2016, 06:41 PMThere's no such thing as an '84 Festiva!
Hmmmm... it was mid-80's...that's for sure.
LX?
Maroon red.
I only sold it because I was moving back to NJ....
Quote from: TDIRunner on 05/17/2016, 05:39 PMQuote from: Joe Redifer on 05/17/2016, 03:27 AMI also have a 2008 Honda Civic. But it's a coupe, not a sedan. And a manual transmission. I've probably already posted somewhere in this thread about it. 100% paid off. That's my favorite feature.
I always love seeing others that still drive manuals. Not counting my wife's cars, I've only owned two automatics in my entire life, and I owned each of them for less than 12 months.
This! I always own at least one vehicle with 3 pedals at all times.
I have only ever owned manual transmission vehicles. How I yearn for an automatic. Years of doing a clutch in stop start traffic is not kind to the left leg. Especially now I have sciatica. My new bmw rev matches the engine when you depress the clutch so it's like having an auto where you still move it yourself. On the plus side makes it super smooth.
Regarding the Buick Regal, I have it in its European guise and I'd say it's big enough for almost anything. Especially in sport tourer form. Wish the entry model had the same 2.4l that the US variant does. 1.8l struggles with the weight of the car.
Once in college I was driving a friends car which was an automatic transmission. At that point in time, I hadn't driven an automatic in like 4 years. I couldn't figure out how to get the keys out of the ignition until I finally realized that I had to put it in "park." What the hell is "park?" #-o
1986 Pontiac Fiero. 2.5L 4-cylinder, 5-speed manual. I had to ship a guitar and this was the only way I could get the box to fit.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa420/motorcycledean/85beaa3e-892a-43ff-8f89-e228f45ffbf5_zpsod44bgus.jpg)
2006 Kawasaki ZX-14. I ride it to school pretty often since there is motorcycle parking and finding regular car parking can be difficult.
(http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa420/motorcycledean/ZX14/7d6f4b10-c736-4250-b72e-4f922a009cf5_zpszkcqbu71.jpg)
Quote from: esteban on 05/17/2016, 09:40 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/17/2016, 06:41 PMThere's no such thing as an '84 Festiva!
Hmmmm... it was mid-80's...that's for sure.
LX?
Maroon red.
I only sold it because I was moving back to NJ....
You might be confusing Fiesta with Festiva. Both are pretty cool little cars, but there was a gap in 84 where neither were sold in the US.
Quote from: crazydean on 05/18/2016, 12:10 PM1986 Pontiac Fiero. 2.5L 4-cylinder, 5-speed manual. I had to ship a guitar and this was the only way I could get the box to fit.
Nice, clean looking Fiero. Sadly, original ones are getting harder to find since a lot of Fieros were hacked up for Ferrari/Lambo replica kit cars
My Mom had a '84 Fiero that looked just like that. It was the very 1st car I drove and basically learned how to drive with it. I feel bad, it was a 5 speed manual and I burned out the clutch practicing on it.
Quote from: csgx1 on 05/18/2016, 01:34 PMQuote from: crazydean on 05/18/2016, 12:10 PM1986 Pontiac Fiero. 2.5L 4-cylinder, 5-speed manual. I had to ship a guitar and this was the only way I could get the box to fit.
Nice, clean looking Fiero. Sadly, original ones are getting harder to find since a lot of Fieros were hacked up for Ferrari/Lambo replica kit cars
Is that the kind of story Fiero fans tell themselves? :)
The price of those gross kits combined with the installation bill exceeded the worth of any Fiero by 1992. Very very few people did this, and the Fiero sold many times however many of those body kits were made. I don't think any body kit manufacturer has sold anywhere near 163,000 kits before. I'll bet money on that actually.
The Fieros are all gone because they are old and nobody cares. Well, there is a guy in Sandford, Mi that has a few dozen rolling shells and one Diabo ver. Most things from that far back are gone, even the cool shit. Try to find a super clean '89 Civic Si. Just try. Seriously.
In the end, if you want a cheap MR supercar the Fiat X1/9 and Toyota MR2 (AW11) are a much better use of your restoration dollars, most people would agree, and that's why you see more Miatas than any of them.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/18/2016, 02:02 PMQuote from: csgx1 on 05/18/2016, 01:34 PMQuote from: crazydean on 05/18/2016, 12:10 PM1986 Pontiac Fiero. 2.5L 4-cylinder, 5-speed manual. I had to ship a guitar and this was the only way I could get the box to fit.
Nice, clean looking Fiero. Sadly, original ones are getting harder to find since a lot of Fieros were hacked up for Ferrari/Lambo replica kit cars
Is that the kind of story Fiero fans tell themselves? :)
The price of those gross kits combined with the installation bill exceeded the worth of any Fiero by 1992. Very very few people did this, and the Fiero sold many times however many of those body kits were made. I don't think any body kit manufacturer has sold anywhere near 163,000 kits before. I'll bet money on that actually.
The Fieros are all gone because they are old and nobody cares. Well, there is a guy in Sandford, Mi that has a few dozen rolling shells and one Diabo ver. Most things from that far back are gone, even the cool shit. Try to find a super clean '89 Civic Si. Just try. Seriously.
In the end, if you want a cheap MR supercar the Fiat X1/9 and Toyota MR2 (AW11) are a much better use of your restoration dollars, most people would agree, and that's why you see more Miatas than any of them.
My understanding was that the Lambo replica kits were not so much for Fiero fans who wanted a fake Lambo, but that it was more for movie studios and TV shows that needed a Lambo in a chase scene (and probably crash) and didn't have the budget for the real thing.
Again, I don't think there were 163,000 movies with Lambo chase scenes in them. They sold 163,000 Fieros. That's a shitload.
It's not a very convincing kit anyway since the cars have way different dimensions. It's SD, basically. You'd have to shoot from just the right angle to fool anyone and you'd still need a wrecked one for the closeup. By the time you paid union guys for the conversion you could have nearly bought a real car anyway. A Countach was under $100,000 in the 80s.
(This technique has been going at least as long as The Italian Job. It's usually not hard to find a wrecked Lambo somewhere.)
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/18/2016, 03:14 PMAgain, I don't think there were 163,000 movies with Lambo chase scenes in them. They sold 163,000 Fieros. That's a shitload.
It's not a very convincing kit anyway since the cars have way different dimensions. It's SD, basically. You'd have to shoot from just the right angle to fool anyone and you'd still need a wrecked one for the closeup. By the time you paid union guys for the conversion you could have nearly bought a real car anyway. A Countach was under $100,000 in the 80s.
(This technique has been going at least as long as The Italian Job. It's usually not hard to find a wrecked Lambo somewhere.)
Honestly I don't know. As much of a car guy as I am, I was never much into the Fiero. I had heard that from a friend of mine who was really into them, but as you said earlier, maybe that's what all of the Feiro collectors tell themselves.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/18/2016, 01:25 PMQuote from: esteban on 05/17/2016, 09:40 PMQuote from: SignOfZeta on 05/17/2016, 06:41 PMThere's no such thing as an '84 Festiva!
Hmmmm... it was mid-80's...that's for sure.
LX?
Maroon red.
I only sold it because I was moving back to NJ....
You might be confusing Fiesta with Festiva. Both are pretty cool little cars, but there was a gap in 84 where neither were sold in the US.
Must be '86 Festiva (?)
It was a golf cart :)
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/18/2016, 02:02 PMThe Fieros are all gone because they are old and nobody cares. Well, there is a guy in Sandford, Mi that has a few dozen rolling shells and one Diabo ver. Most things from that far back are gone, even the cool shit. Try to find a super clean '89 Civic Si. Just try. Seriously.
This is the more likely scenario. It doesn't take much to total an old car, so if it gets hit or runs low on oil just once, that's one fewer car on the road. The Fiero is a mid-engine sports car which means that owners have a hard time not driving them in a "spirited" manner. This leads to more wrecks and shorter engine life.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/18/2016, 02:02 PMQuote from: csgx1 on 05/18/2016, 01:34 PMQuote from: crazydean on 05/18/2016, 12:10 PM1986 Pontiac Fiero. 2.5L 4-cylinder, 5-speed manual. I had to ship a guitar and this was the only way I could get the box to fit.
Nice, clean looking Fiero. Sadly, original ones are getting harder to find since a lot of Fieros were hacked up for Ferrari/Lambo replica kit cars
Is that the kind of story Fiero fans tell themselves? :)
The price of those gross kits combined with the installation bill exceeded the worth of any Fiero by 1992. Very very few people did this, and the Fiero sold many times however many of those body kits were made. I don't think any body kit manufacturer has sold anywhere near 163,000 kits before. I'll bet money on that actually.
The Fieros are all gone because they are old and nobody cares. Well, there is a guy in Sandford, Mi that has a few dozen rolling shells and one Diabo ver. Most things from that far back are gone, even the cool shit. Try to find a super clean '89 Civic Si. Just try. Seriously.
In the end, if you want a cheap MR supercar the Fiat X1/9 and Toyota MR2 (AW11) are a much better use of your restoration dollars, most people would agree, and that's why you see more Miatas than any of them.
I've always liked the last few model years of the Fiero. If I ever got one though I'd have to quickly shove a supercharged 3800 or LS1 in the back.
The Fiero is a good car. A much better car than the ones it's based on. It's a shame that every time GM does something cool it ends up being a dead-end evolutionarily speaking. The Corvair, the Fiero, Cosworth Vega, Saturn, and the "kappa twins" roadsters...all were pretty great. The rental sedans still flow like water from GM.
The issue with the Fiero (and the kappa roadsters, front engine but still too big) is that it's just too big to ever seriously take advantage of being MR in the first place so the whole exercise is kinda pointless. Also those big dumb engines are for cruising not for racing. The 4AGE in the MR2 may have less power, but when you're driving the car it feels like more because it actually likes reving. I'm from Midland Mi, (in Ann Arbor now) SKACK DAB in the middle of GM country, and yet when I go to Waterford hills or an autocross I rarely see Fieros. I see much more rare vehicles and like Miata 20 nerds with some staple econoboxes thrown in. Considering many local events take place on Belle Isle, a place where GM's corporate headquarters is the largest thing in the background...you'd think you'd see more of them considering its one of the coolest things they've ever built.
One year in DET Solo there was a kid with a shitty white Fiero that was also in my class, which was CSP at the time. He was pretty cool, but had a hard time keeping up with my 1.6 Miata. What is a car with an engine roughly twice the size of mine doing in the same class despite the theoretical advantage of MR? Well, that's what happens when your car is slow and totally non-competitive, you keep moving it down classes until it occasionally wins.
One nice thing I'll say about it, the marker renderings for the final refresh made it look like it was going to be really slick. It's a shame they canned it in development.
The Fiero was originally designed to be a true sports car. The problem was that it turned out to be much cheaper than the Corvette with similar power capabilities which is why it ended up so under-powered when it came to produciton. As for why it was canned, I have no idea. The sales were good. It outsold the Toyota MR2, its main competitor, which outlived it by more than a decade.
Power was never it's problem. It would have helped to have more! But in all seriousness it had quite competetive power for its day and it's class. It's always that way with GM. It's problem is that when you drive it it feels like a Buick but more claustrophobic. Driving an MR2 or Miata feels a million times better so with those two on the market at the same time GM was fucked. I don't know why exactly they canned it (nobody understands how this company makes it's decisions...) but I would assume that the bulk of the 166,000 were in the earliest years and by the end they were probably sweating out 10,000 making it a loss. There's no shame in being beaten by the Miata corporately or on the track because it's happened to everyone. Every single sportscar ever made was less of a success than the Miata. They've even manage to make four generations in a row and not once fuck the whole thing up (try that, Ford). It's like magic, that thing. It restarted sports cars and has outsold everything in the segment that it helped revive. So GM getting out then could be almost considered precognitive. They just bailed before everyone else did.
Also, it's also possible that they killed it because it was cutting into Vette sales and that's a higher margin car with more history. I would argue that the Fiero is a better car than the C4 Vette so maybe it was like how Porsche supposedly killed the 944 because it was just as fast as the 911s they were trying to move.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/18/2016, 08:34 PMThe Fiero is a good car. A much better car than the ones it's based on. It's a shame that every time GM does something cool it ends up being a dead-end evolutionarily speaking. The Corvair, the Fiero, Cosworth Vega, Saturn, and the "kappa twins" roadsters...all were pretty great. The rental sedans still flow like water from GM.
The issue with the Fiero (and the kappa roadsters, front engine but still too big) is that it's just too big to ever seriously take advantage of being MR in the first place so the whole exercise is kinda pointless. Also those big dumb engines are for cruising not for racing. The 4AGE in the MR2 may have less power, but when you're driving the car it feels like more because it actually likes reving. I'm from Midland Mi, (in Ann Arbor now) SKACK DAB in the middle of GM country, and yet when I go to Waterford hills or an autocross I rarely see Fieros. I see much more rare vehicles and like Miata 20 nerds with some staple econoboxes thrown in. Considering many local events take place on Belle Isle, a place where GM's corporate headquarters is the largest thing in the background...you'd think you'd see more of them considering its one of the coolest things they've ever built.
One year in DET Solo there was a kid with a shitty white Fiero that was also in my class, which was CSP at the time. He was pretty cool, but had a hard time keeping up with my 1.6 Miata. What is a car with an engine roughly twice the size of mine doing in the same class despite the theoretical advantage of MR? Well, that's what happens when your car is slow and totally non-competitive, you keep moving it down classes until it occasionally wins.
One nice thing I'll say about it, the marker renderings for the final refresh made it look like it was going to be really slick. It's a shame they canned it in development.
Comparing a Miata to Fiero is simply apples to oranges. Even a first year Miata is light years ahead of what the Fiero was. As far as a Fiero being in a lower class in auto-x it's all about performance. Fiero is double A-arm up front (which would give you VERY little camber adjustment out of the box) and the same basic geometry in the rear as an x-car. I haven't seen too many Chevette race cars in my day. Also, 2.5 gives you around 90 H.P. and the heavier 2.8 V6 gives you a whopping 140. If you have a 2 pedal car it's a crappily geared 3-speed. Fiero weighs about 2600-2700 lbs compared to a first gen Miata at what 2100 lbs? Of course it was in your same class, maybe should have been lower.
A supercharged 3800 would only add about 100-150 lbs to a 2.8 V6 equipped Fiero while adding 100 H.P. in stock form. LS1 would be chosen expressly for wow factor.
While I find autocross enjoyable and have run a few events myself, I prefer a bit more power at the sacrifice of a little handling. I like a little bit more tire smoke and donut hooning in my "fun" car. There's nothing like correcting a bit of understeer with some added throttle.
This was CSP. Street Prepaired opens up a lot of possibilities so things that seemed level at the dealership get out of balance on the track. In SP the intake and exhaust are more or less free, meaning full race header, aftermarket fuel injection, shocks and springs are free, you can do what you need to get camber adjustment, so is tire and wheel size, cams. Power gains would be extremely easy. Having seen many cars Prepaired to this level it isn't hard to imagine making a pretty wicked Fiero.
The real question is, and I'm not talking about racing here: are the big engine and 400lbs of useless dead weight the result of the car being aimed at a different segment or of it just being...bad?
In the end, the Fiero was more powerful than most Miatas sold. They only have 165 HP or something like that now with the new car. I don't think most people in the market for a throwaway priced retirement car give a shit about power.
Btw, I just did some more reading and I was wrong. The Fiero sold 370,000! So that means it outsold the Mk1 Miata! But still got canned because...I don't know. Maybe they just wanted to shut the plant, that does happen sometimes.
As for autocross, I don't do it anymore. I got tired of waking up at 5:30 am on a Saturday to spend three minutes on the track and 9 hours baking in the sun. I'm not very competitive by nature so track days are fine with me. That way you get two hours on the track and you don't have to do jack. I also really suck at autocross and I think I always will. It's not that I can't drive, I do fine on a road course, is that autocross really is its own animal. I went into it thinking that it's simply low level motorsport, and it is, just above drag racing in its accessibility, but it has its own weird technical side due to the hyper tight courses and intense competition. You have to simply manhandle the shit out of your steering wheel for one thing, which is the opposite what you do in most kinds of automobile racing. You'll walk the course and then do your timed laps without every having driven it. You need to memorize that shit instantly. It sucks! I suck at it anyway.
I must say I've had some good times in Solo and ridden in some wild fast cars. For people who need to know who's fastest it's one of the most competitive sports in the world. People who haven't seen high level Solo wouldn't believe how refined these cars and drivers are. They drive 10/10 ALL THE TIME because he run is only 58 seconds or whatever. To see a top level Cobra Mustang and a Rabbit both hit he same time on the index to .001" is something else.
Btw, the Chevette actually had a semi-decent career as a rally car in the early 80s, look it up. It being RWD and simple apparently gave it an advantage on paved courses.
It was killed because its sales tanked towards the end:
1984 136,840
1985 76,371
1986 83,974
1987 46,581
1988 26,402
And it only outsold the first gen Miata US sales. For every Miata sold here, Mazda has sold two more elsewhere.
The difference in size between GM and Mazda is so great, comparing them directly is pointless. Mazda has far lower goals and a lower threshold for counting a car as a success (and they arguably need the Miata as a halo car and proof of "zoom-zoom"), so it's no surprise that they soldier on with a relatively slow seller.
Yeah, that's the kind of sales arc I assumed took place. It happens with most cars, they sell the best the year they came out.
Btw, nearly giving the cars away may have helped sales. Less than $9000? Cheaper than a GTI. That would also explain why it got canned despite huge sales for a sports car: you can only make them for $9000 *if* it's the biggest goddamned hit in the history of sports cars. That's a stupid position to put yourself in and something the post-bankruptcy GM has slightly backed away from. That is to say that they no longer care about being #1 in sales if it can't even shield you from bankruptcy.
Hey guys I am happy to announce I have a new addition. Retired the 2002 Saturn coupe with 540,000 kms, the engine was still running well, I just needed something with more creature comforts and more room for my ladiessssss 😎 (My kids that is) :)
2017 Mitsubishi Lancer (Black Edition)
It has lots of pep.
This is a big deal for me as I buy a car every 10 years or so :P yippeeee!
(https://i.imgur.com/Pzx7TPk.jpg)
People still buy Mitsubishis? Willingly?!?
:P
Seriously though, congrats on the new ride. Those are actually nice lookin' lil things, unlike the fugly i-miev and eclipse posuv.
I thought Mitsubishi only made medical equipment these days?
Different car every week. Rental cars are awesome.
Very Sexy Sparky. sorry to see the Saturn and all the carbon fibber gone away.
Haha. Ya the fibber is still on her and like I said the engine and body is still good. I am storing it up north at my parents. Cannot let her go (( shrugs))
(https://i.imgur.com/kMjLIoN.jpg)
In Canada, are there no tinted window laws? Car looks very sharp though.
In Buffalo, they pull you over for basically any level of tint, or even for thinking about tint.
Quote from: TelcoSurveyor on 08/22/2017, 06:06 PMDifferent car every week. Rental cars are awesome.
lol
uber/lyft has made rental cars obsolete for me, and I couldn't be happier about it.
Sparky, I too was surprised by "mitsubishi", but it does look sharp
Nice! good to know she's still being loved. sadly I am down all my old cars... I now have a 2017.
Quote from: bob on 08/23/2017, 01:30 PMQuote from: TelcoSurveyor on 08/22/2017, 06:06 PMDifferent car every week. Rental cars are awesome.
lol
uber/lyft has made rental cars obsolete for me, and I couldn't be happier about it.
Sparky, I too was surprised by "mitsubishi", but it does look sharp
It's work related, but personal use is part of the deal. I'd never get a Uber/Lyft driver to agree to just drive me around seemingly aimlessly at times.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 08/23/2017, 08:04 AMIn Canada, are there no tinted window laws? Car looks very sharp though.
In Buffalo, they pull you over for basically any level of tint, or even for thinking about tint.
Haha well in 2002 in Canada the darkest legal tinting was 35 for the driver and passenger side so the cops could see in, then you could go as dark as you wanted 0/limo tinting for the back window and the back sides. Now the laws have changed ( says my Mitsubishi dealership) a tint of 30 all the way around is as dark as you can go and that is what I have on the Lancer.
Thanks for the kind words on her, I also have a 10 year or 200,000 warranty on it that helped seal the deal, that and I got the tint for free :)
That's the most amazing warranty in the history of automobiles. When I bought my car last winter I got 8 years / 80,000 and I thought I had something good going.
That's canadian years and miles, so it's probably pretty similar. :mrgreen:
25 years after being built, and 9 years after me buying it was finally time for the old roadster to...
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Get a hardtop.
My ride:
(https://abload.de/img/bikeq6syi.jpg)
"...a guy with a cool bike (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwzxpJxKq4Y&t=41s) get laid aaaaall summer long." http://youtu.be/KwzxpJxKq4Y?t=41s
Quote from: TelcoSurveyor on 08/22/2017, 06:06 PMDifferent car every week. Rental cars are awesome.
I've rented cars before. They're never awesome.
Quote from: guest on 08/25/2017, 04:38 AMMy ride:
"...a guy with a cool bike (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwzxpJxKq4Y&t=41s) get laid aaaaall summer long."
After 25 years of running, my knees have forced me to switch over to biking (another one of my rides is behind it).
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/cc32/csnw2e6sja47p3rbg.jpg)
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/cc32/csnw2e6sja47p3r4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/csnw2e6sja47p3r/Fuji_Sportif.jpg)
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/25/2017, 08:49 AMQuote from: TelcoSurveyor on 08/22/2017, 06:06 PMDifferent car every week. Rental cars are awesome.
I've rented cars before. They're never awesome.
When you rent them all the time, they can be. Not always though.