This made me cry.
http://youtu.be/a5sx-4i5y0E
I was watching the live stream last night of the protesters outside the doors of this meeting. It was like the Villagers with torches and pitchforks storming the castle! This was a violation of human fucking rights. The first domino of many to fall the pretty much fucks over all state employees. Teachers, Police, Mail Delivery people, we're all fucked!
RECALL SCOTT WALKER IN FEB 2011!!
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 03/10/2011, 03:32 PMThis was a violation of human fucking rights.
Which human right is that, exactly?
Mail Delivery people are state employees? ummm no As much as I hate whats happening union collective bargaining is a far cry of basic human rights.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 03/10/2011, 03:37 PMWhich human right is that, exactly?
Perhaps I was
RANT TYPING a little there, but in my opinion it takes away freedom to peaceably assemble and freedom of speech.
Which, if not exactly human rights, are constitutionally enumerated.
Not so much
'human' rights as it is is American rights.
Freedoms of assembly and speech are unaffected by collective bargaining abilities. I'm.... uncomfortable.
Quote from: nectarsis on 03/10/2011, 03:38 PMMail Delivery people are state employees? ummm no As much as I hate whats happening union collective bargaining is a far cry of basic human rights.
That's true, but I was in Madison this past weekend with around 500 Mail Delivery People, listening to speakers and sharing stories. :S In the end this will effect all of us. Once this ball starts rolling it won't be quite the 'far cry' from basic rights.
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 03/10/2011, 03:46 PMQuote from: nectarsis on 03/10/2011, 03:38 PMMail Delivery people are state employees? ummm no As much as I hate whats happening union collective bargaining is a far cry of basic human rights.
That's true, but I was in Madison this past weekend with around 500 Mail Delivery People, listening to speakers and sharing stories. :S In the end this will effect all of us. Once this ball starts rolling it won't be quite the 'far cry' from basic rights.
Of course it will affect many people, but overstating/incorrectly stating (free speech/right to assemble, etc.) just sounds foolish, and doesn't help the cause.
Quote from: nectarsis on 03/10/2011, 03:49 PMOf course it will affect many people, but overstating/incorrectly stating (free speech/right to assemble, etc.) just sounds foolish, and doesn't help the cause.
So, wait- what part of the video link above shows free speech and right to assemble? From what I can tell, it shows exactly what I just stated.
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 03/10/2011, 03:59 PMQuote from: nectarsis on 03/10/2011, 03:49 PMOf course it will affect many people, but overstating/incorrectly stating (free speech/right to assemble, etc.) just sounds foolish, and doesn't help the cause.
So, wait- what part of the video link above shows free speech and right to assemble? From what I can tell, it shows exactly what I just stated.
Get back to me when the National Guard clears the streets and martial law is called (heard that claimed more than a few times by people/groups at the Capitol). The protesters have/are assembling, and obviously using their free speech. A meeting =/= everyone/everywhere.
P.S. Maybe you missed the cameras, and other people present (assembled).
Anyway...regardless of individual opinions on the whole issue of unions and bargaining, the way the democratic process is conducted in this video is terrifying and of concern to all.
Quote from: nectarsis on 03/10/2011, 04:04 PMGet back to me when the National Guard clears the streets and martial law is called
Will do.
Quote from: nectarsis on 03/10/2011, 04:04 PMP.S. Maybe you missed the cameras, and other people present (assembled).
Oh yes, that's it- thank you for pointing that out.
Another thing that should concern everyone - what was up with Walker refusing to compromise on any part of the bill? When does anyone ever have a whole bunch of ideas or opinions that they don't change their mind about after some discussion? Personally, I realize 50% of my ideas are stupid after I sit down and discuss them with someone. How can a small group write a hasty 200-page bill of ideas and then not find any merit in the public's feedback?
Whether or not the stripping of collective bargaining rights is good bad or otherwise.... the means by which this legislation was enacted is definitely frightening! My hope is that the people of Wisconsin will react very strongly to this so that other state's legislatures don't do the same thing.
I already responded to this in the Midwest Gaming Classic thread. /rant
Some actual good news-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110318/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions_lawsuit
Kind of, but that just means they'll have to vote again. Hopefully some clowns have had a change of heart, but I wouldn't count on it.
true, it'd be nice if they could delay it for a year.
Its just one seat in the Supreme Court, but this could be good news-
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2011/by_county/WI_Supreme_Court_0405.html?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=POLITICS
Prosser is losing in Polls for Judge to Kloppenburg!!
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 04/06/2011, 01:44 PMIts just one seat in the Supreme Court, but this could be good news-
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2011/by_county/WI_Supreme_Court_0405.html?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=POLITICS
Prosser is losing in Polls for Judge to Kloppenburg!!
Not just one seat one CRUCIAL seat. The fight begins here.
*I might note that Palin has endorsed Prosser, and the former Dem. Gov. has pulled support for him.
9 9 9
Hey! It's Sim City's tax plan!!!!
Thanks the COMMON FUCKING SENSE OF WISCONSONITES it looks like that Walker asshole will be recalled.