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Title: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 03/21/2011, 06:22 PM
Well it came....

I will say Its nice, but putting "Watermelons Reprint Edition" on the boxart is a lame touch.

and the socket the cartridge slides into is deformed a bit, and looks hacked up.

Oh well.

I will play it eventually!

anyone elses arrive.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/21/2011, 06:44 PM
I think mine is at the post office.  Anything that comes from a foreign country needs to be signed for.  Too bad that means I won't get it until Saturday now.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 03/21/2011, 06:46 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 03/21/2011, 06:44 PMI think mine is at the post office.  Anything that comes from a foreign country needs to be signed for.  Too bad that means I won't get it until Saturday now.
It really looks nice its just the case itself is kind of funny.  I will probably swap out a Hockey game or something.   The case has like a funny bulge to it, and I don't like it.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: BlueBMW on 03/21/2011, 07:22 PM
Heheh, mine came today too!  And I agree... they went a little overboard with the "reprint" crap.  I mean cmon guys.. have a limited first run... then just make all subsequent runs the "normal" version lol.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 03/21/2011, 08:02 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 03/21/2011, 07:22 PMHeheh, mine came today too!  And I agree... they went a little overboard with the "reprint" crap.  I mean cmon guys.. have a limited first run... then just make all subsequent runs the "normal" version lol.
They want to stress that we arent their LOYAL OMFGFANSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 03/21/2011, 08:37 PM
I've never been a fan of the whole "reprint" tag being put everywhere.  I know they are trying to be nice with the original buyers, but it really doesn't need to say that on the packaging.  Hell, I'm surprised it doesn't say it on the title screen or have a brand new NPC mentioning during the game that it is the reprint.  Also, that's interesting to hear about how the cart fits in the case.  I suppose you can always get a new case from some non-EA game down at the thrift store.

I'll be interested to hear your opinions of the game.  I'm sure you'll find a few things to complain/get frustrated about.  Everyone does.  But overall I think the game is a great effort and feels very professional.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 03/21/2011, 09:19 PM
it had better be a good game for being such a long project!

I gotta diddle me up an enhanced CD though. 
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: PunkCryborg on 03/21/2011, 10:00 PM
I missed the second print, I was going to order it and waited till that night and they were all out. I ordered the third print when it sold for about a day about 2 weeks ago. I hope it doesn't come with "3rd print LOSER" on the front
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Mathius on 03/22/2011, 02:07 AM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/21/2011, 09:19 PMit had better be a good game for being such a long project!

I gotta diddle me up an enhanced CD though. 
If, for some un-Godly reason, you need a CD-R mailed to you, Ark, just let me know. :)
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Duo_R on 03/22/2011, 03:18 AM
Ill take one! :-)
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Mathius on 03/22/2011, 03:29 AM
Quote from: Duo_R on 03/22/2011, 03:18 AMIll take one! :-)
Try the free version of Nero first. :)
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: DJLobo on 03/22/2011, 02:28 PM
Mine came in the mail last week. I'm impressed with the manual/poster/stickers. The overall packaging looks clean and top notch. Gotta burn a CD of the enhanced soundtrack and finish up another game before tackling this one.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 03/22/2011, 06:30 PM
Quote from: elabit on 03/21/2011, 10:00 PMI missed the second print, I was going to order it and waited till that night and they were all out. I ordered the third print when it sold for about a day about 2 weeks ago. I hope it doesn't come with "3rd print LOSER" on the front
I bet it will

the back even says THE REPRINT EDITION OF THE BEST GAVE EVER, or something.


Watermelon is proud to present in this special reprint edition [read: normal fucking release] ....
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: TR0N on 01/19/2012, 05:44 AM
Bump from the grave well this game is getting another print run.
http://www.piersolar.com
Since getting a genesis again as of last year i didn't want to miss out so i order a copy.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/19/2012, 08:34 AM
Lets see how bad they screw up run #3. 

Will it cost 90$, come in a ziploc bag, and have no label?
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/19/2012, 10:34 AM
theyve got a soundtrack now too...  but their site is looking more and more commercialized...  I guess I like the feel of the pce homebrew a lot more.  The pier solar scene seems to be money money money now.

Wonder if the enhanced cd will be defective like in the originals.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/19/2012, 10:37 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/19/2012, 10:34 AMtheyve got a soundtrack now too...  but their site is looking more and more commercialized...  I guess I like the feel of the pce homebrew a lot more.  The pier solar scene seems to be money money money now.

Wonder if the enhanced cd will be defective like in the originals.
If they get pressed at Changs Speedy CD Emporium, probably.

and yeah, they went too lolcommercial. They should just hang with Super Fighter Team and get it over with.  

It feels cheap now.  Definitely not like how they started, :-/

the word is disconnected.  I think.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Samurai Ghost on 01/19/2012, 10:44 AM
Probably will order this eventually just because it's a newly released Megadrive game which enough of a reason for me.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/19/2012, 11:57 AM
Disconnected!   I was looking for the word but I couldnt put my finger on it.  That describes it perfectly.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: futureman2000 on 01/19/2012, 12:28 PM
I ordered one, should arrive pretty soon. I wanted to play it the first few times around, but I kept missing the windows of opportunity.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arjak on 01/19/2012, 01:36 PM
I don't know WTF you guys are complaining about. I am very impressed with the game, from both a homebrew standpoint as well as a game standpoint. From what I've played of it, I think I can safely say that the game kicks epic amounts of ass. Yes, I do have a copy. I have the first-run "Posterity" edition, and I have had NO problems with my CD.

I know that there have been problems, but I think the final product has been completely worth it. Besides, if you're going to whine about "Reprint" editions, new website designs, and whatever else you can before you even play the game, you need to quit being such a...whoa, I gotta stop before I get banned by Joe. :P

Anyway, you can complain all you like, but until you have put in as much effort as Watermelon has in making a game like this, no sane person is really going to care.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/19/2012, 03:08 PM
Quote from: Arjak on 01/19/2012, 01:36 PMI don't know WTF you guys are complaining about. I am very impressed with the game, from both a homebrew standpoint as well as a game standpoint. From what I've played of it, I think I can safely say that the game kicks epic amounts of ass. Yes, I do have a copy. I have the first-run "Posterity" edition, and I have had NO problems with my CD.
We're not complaining about the game itself.  Mostly the logistics that went down after the game was finished.  This includes the 2ish weeks of inconsistent excuses and cranky "tough shit" attitudes from the team.

They seemed to forget that some of the people complaining were waiting for years for the game only to get shafted and told "You should've preordered. You don't deserve it"

QuoteI know that there have been problems, but I think the final product has been completely worth it. Besides, if you're going to whine about "Reprint" editions, new website designs, and whatever else you can before you even play the game, you need to quit being such a...whoa, I gotta stop before I get banned by Joe. :P
The game is good.  It's not my favorite Sega RPG (that's reserved for PS2 and Super Hydlide!).  I have it too.  I just didn't like the hiked up price for lesser quality stuff.   It took forever for them to just admit they overshot the budget, and that the CDs were mostly screwed up... they could have just said that in the first place.


QuoteAnyway, you can complain all you like, but until you have put in as much effort as Watermelon has in making a game like this, no sane person is really going to care.
People don't need to put in years of work to complain about this kind of stuff.  We all do it for the big-time developers, so why can't we do it for this?  It's legit complaining, lol.  The end users (the people the game is targeted at and done for) got hosed a bit, and weren't happy.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: munchiaz on 01/19/2012, 09:46 PM
i picked up a copy and pre ordered the CD. but both my sega CD and JVC xeye aren't playing CD games, so when i get it, ill have to wait til i get one of those fixed, or find a cheap replacement
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Duo_R on 01/20/2012, 04:31 AM
Anyone getting the soundtrack?
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: TR0N on 01/20/2012, 04:41 AM
Quote from: Duo_R on 01/20/2012, 04:31 AMAnyone getting the soundtrack?
If i wasn't short on $ i would i just order the game and that's it.

Though i heard you can download the sound track and burn it if you want to.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: futureman2000 on 01/20/2012, 08:45 AM
I burned the copy of the soundtrack from their website. I'm cool with paying for the game, but meh to buying the soundtrack.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Senshi on 01/20/2012, 09:05 AM
I think this group of guys got in over their heads with this at first and were unsure how to respond when the problems hit. I doubt they had the resources to fix the issues and is probably why they responded poorly. One big mistake they made was setting the price way too low. When something starts selling that fast you know its not right. There is no problem with them going "lol commercial" or whatever you want to call it. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. If it helps them bring in revenue they will keep on making things and probably do better the next time around. If it flops you won't get anything else or it take forever because people are just doing it in there spare time. Good Marketing is completely necessary, whether you like it or not. You can have the best shit in the world but if its poorly presented or no one knows about it you won't sell jack.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/20/2012, 09:20 AM
When the problems hit, they handled it like the disjointed, all over the place, group of indy dorks they are... (as expected!)

as opposed to the organized, professional, commercial group they were posing as.

They should've just said "Look the clamshell print #2 costs more because the first one's cost was underestimated, and we lost $$ selling it to you guys".
and
"The CD isn't in the reprint because the CD is screwed up"

then when the CD got dumped , they we're mad about it.

Insults, excuses, lies, all kinds of crap went down instead.  I hope they learned from those mistakes, because the game itself is pretty good, and the packaging, even on the reprint, is nicely done.

You've gotta be upfront with the people flinging money at you.  They'll find out if you aren't anyways, and then you end up looking like a dick. :)
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Senshi on 01/20/2012, 12:49 PM
Yes honesty is always the best policy, but I've learned to temper my expectations of the human race as I get older. Sorry I felt that at $35 for the original that I bought that it at was a steal, not really flinging money. People are just cheap bastards most of the time IMO, especially gamers and they just like to find reasons to bitch. For the most part, I think that was the case here.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/20/2012, 01:07 PM
by flinging money, I literally just mean, excited people throwing money at them to get a copy. 

Basically, they should've been more legit with their paying fans that have been following the project since it was known as tavern
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Senshi on 01/20/2012, 02:24 PM
Yes I agree, i'm just happy they didn't quit and walk off with my money.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/20/2012, 02:37 PM
that would suck even more.

it really does suck though that they never got more than enough of the original lot. the games had more reprints than games that have been out for 20 years.

They should have kept the package the same and just upped the damn price and explained why.

As it is now, the whole things a wreck because they keep having to reprint it. 
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Senshi on 01/20/2012, 03:14 PM
my bet on possibilities of why they have to keep doing this is:

-they don't have the space or the want to purchase the space to hold a large inventory

-the place that is manufacturing these cartridges (was it in China?) only does stuff for them when they have down time because they have larger orders than them which are higher priority

- or...they lack the money to put together large orders

- or they just plain don't understand the demand for their game and are just being ultra conservative making sure they sell every damn one before they make another batch to ensure they have no leftovers.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/20/2012, 05:36 PM
Quote from: Senshi on 01/20/2012, 03:14 PM- or they just plain don't understand the demand for their game and are just being ultra conservative making sure they sell every damn one before they make another batch to ensure they have no leftovers.
This is what I am going with. 

A little forward thinking would've avoided all these reprints.  You shouldnt do a reprint every fuckin' year.  It's dumb lol
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Samurai Ghost on 01/21/2012, 01:25 AM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/20/2012, 05:36 PM
Quote from: Senshi on 01/20/2012, 03:14 PM- or they just plain don't understand the demand for their game and are just being ultra conservative making sure they sell every damn one before they make another batch to ensure they have no leftovers.
This is what I am going with. 

A little forward thinking would've avoided all these reprints.  You shouldnt do a reprint every fuckin' year.  It's dumb lol
Nah, I think it's kind of the opposite. They purposely print just a few copies each time so it quickly gets sold out, which increases the 'demand' for the game. People want something when they can't have it, so as soon as more copies come in they sell out right away. Or another possibility is they have tons of these reprints already but say they are "sold out" from time to time to increase the demand for it, although that's a bit far-fetched.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/21/2012, 05:27 PM
Either way it seems stupid, as all they're doing now is having more versions of their game than they should ever have.

The reprint has the arrogant "reprint of the popular game" something or other on it, IIRC.

It's all kind of cheap.  I think at this point they are just playing the loldemand card to get people to frantically go for the game.

It's all part of that disconnected feeling.  Sucks, since the game IS pretty good.  (Though kinda corny sometimes, but thats ok!)
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/21/2012, 05:34 PM
I can see adding some bonus extras for the preorder folks but dont make the game packaging etc different for the different releases.  That just begs for gouging of the original and frustrates late comers to the party.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: munchiaz on 01/21/2012, 05:43 PM
i got my reprint copy in last night. So far just tested it to make sure it works. Only issues i have so far is that it takes some effort to open the clamshell box
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/21/2012, 05:45 PM
Quote from: munchiaz on 01/21/2012, 05:43 PMi got my reprint copy in last night. So far just tested it to make sure it works. Only issues i have so far is that it takes some effort to open the clamshell box
I don't even have the disc.  I said fuck it.  I think nikdog dumped the disc and I was going to make one but said screw it.

Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/21/2012, 05:34 PMI can see adding some bonus extras for the preorder folks but dont make the game packaging etc different for the different releases.  That just begs for gouging of the original and frustrates late comers to the party.
yep.

same package, bigger price would've been cooler.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Mathius on 01/21/2012, 06:06 PM
I keep trying to play the darn thing. It takes ages to level up. Otherwise I love it.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: CrackTiger on 01/21/2012, 06:30 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/21/2012, 05:27 PMEither way it seems stupid, as all they're doing now is having more versions of their game than they should ever have.

The reprint has the arrogant "reprint of the popular game" something or other on it, IIRC.

It's all kind of cheap.  I think at this point they are just playing the loldemand card to get people to frantically go for the game.

It's all part of that disconnected feeling.  Sucks, since the game IS pretty good.  (Though kinda corny sometimes, but thats ok!)
When PC-Engine Retrocade is released, just release 100 copies and put "Limited Edition" on the packaging. Then print a batch with a notice of inferiority all over it and sell those in small bursts, while slowly selling the 100's of remaining LE editions on eBay under an alias. You'll make enough money to make PCE games full-time. :P
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 01/21/2012, 07:08 PM
According to Watermelon level-grinding isn't really necessary.  I did it anyway.  After the first few levels or so they come much more quickly.  And while I like that the game now comes in a clamshell instead of a paper box, the whole "reprint" thing is pretty lame.  I can understand redoing the artwork since the game now has only one "region" from which to choose, but don't slap the words "reprint" on the packaging!
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Mathius on 01/21/2012, 07:48 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 01/21/2012, 07:08 PMAccording to Watermelon level-grinding isn't really necessary.  I did it anyway.  After the first few levels or so they come much more quickly.  And while I like that the game now comes in a clamshell instead of a paper box, the whole "reprint" thing is pretty lame.  I can understand redoing the artwork since the game now has only one "region" from which to choose, but don't slap the words "reprint" on the packaging!
I keep getting my ass kicked about two hours in. When I try to grind it just takes so long. I don't think I ever got above level 3. :roll:
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 01/21/2012, 09:32 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 01/21/2012, 06:30 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/21/2012, 05:27 PMEither way it seems stupid, as all they're doing now is having more versions of their game than they should ever have.

The reprint has the arrogant "reprint of the popular game" something or other on it, IIRC.

It's all kind of cheap.  I think at this point they are just playing the loldemand card to get people to frantically go for the game.

It's all part of that disconnected feeling.  Sucks, since the game IS pretty good.  (Though kinda corny sometimes, but thats ok!)
When PC-Engine Retrocade is released, just release 100 copies and put "Limited Edition" on the packaging. Then print a batch with a notice of inferiority all over it and sell those in small bursts, while slowly selling the 100's of remaining LE editions on eBay under an alias. You'll make enough money to make PCE games full-time. :P
thats a brilliant idea, lol.

I mean, Watermelon is doing it!

Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 01/22/2012, 12:34 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 01/21/2012, 07:48 PMI keep getting my ass kicked about two hours in. When I try to grind it just takes so long. I don't think I ever got above level 3. :roll:
It can be kind of frustrating at first especially when you're not used to how the battle system works.  I think one guy was able to get through the entire game without getting above level 5 or 6, can't remember what it was, but he basically ran from all battles he could run from (which is hard enough in itself) and just used stuff he bought to help him with magic 'n shit (I think, I didn't follow his progress too closely).  Anyway Watermelon touted this example as argument that you never need to grind in this game.  Still, I think it helps.  Just try to be patient, stick close to home and you'll eventually make level 4.  Don't forget to save.  The saves work in a funky way.  I can't remember how but I think you need to exit the screen or something for them to take effect.  It's been like 2 years since I've played it.  Or was it a year ago when it first came out?  Wow.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Mathius on 01/22/2012, 01:11 AM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 01/22/2012, 12:34 AM
Quote from: Mathius on 01/21/2012, 07:48 PMI keep getting my ass kicked about two hours in. When I try to grind it just takes so long. I don't think I ever got above level 3. :roll:
It can be kind of frustrating at first especially when you're not used to how the battle system works.  I think one guy was able to get through the entire game without getting above level 5 or 6, can't remember what it was, but he basically ran from all battles he could run from (which is hard enough in itself) and just used stuff he bought to help him with magic 'n shit (I think, I didn't follow his progress too closely).  Anyway Watermelon touted this example as argument that you never need to grind in this game.  Still, I think it helps.  Just try to be patient, stick close to home and you'll eventually make level 4.  Don't forget to save.  The saves work in a funky way.  I can't remember how but I think you need to exit the screen or something for them to take effect.  It's been like 2 years since I've played it.  Or was it a year ago when it first came out?  Wow.
Thanks for the tips. :)

It was released late fall of 2010.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 02/15/2012, 06:40 PM
Watermelon's new announcement.  I'd love to hear some opinions about it:

Quote from: WatermelonIn less than 12 hours we'll be announcing our fantastic, super exciting and extra shiny new project: The Factory.

What is this factory you ask? Is it illicit? Are we manufacturing something made out of people? Yes! But more honestly, no! The Factory is our unique fundraising and collaboration system that will allow fans of our games to decide exactly what we should make and contribute openly to the project while it's in development.

Remember those Gems you got when you first signed up on our new website? Those Gems will be the fuel that runs the whole machine. Basically, you can purchase and earn gems through the Magical Game Factory website. Those Gems can, in turn, be invested into any number of projects we have in development or are proposing. If you become an "investor" in a particular project you'll be consulted on the game's development, have your feedback heard and incorporated into the design and get investor exclusive offers. The more you've invested in the project, the more your opinion is weighed and the louder your voice is.

But there's more to the factory than just investing Gems and providing your opinion. If you invest enough Gems in a project, they'll get converted into a pre-order of the game you're helping to build. Didn't invest enough Gems to grant you a pre-order? No problem! Invested Gems will convert into an investor's discount when you order your game. And the benefits don't end here: Similar to the pre-orders fund that drove the development of Pier Solar, investing in a project will guarantee you not just a copy of the game, but also a special investor version. Think of the Posterity Edition of Pier Solar, only cooler!

One thing we learned during Pier Solar's development was that the community that we've developed is an irreplaceable part of Watermelon. You guys were instrumental in finishing that game and making it a great RPG. We want to involve you guys even more in development and make sure that all the great old-school games that you want to play will get made at the level of quality you expect. These are your games, and you'll be able to tell us exactly what you want to see and play. Want a shoot 'em up with RPG elements? Let us know, and invest! Want an oldschool brawler where all player characters are mutated lobsters with attitude? We are at your back and will answer your call. Want a controversial dating sim where users can do all manner of naughty things with cans of whip cream? We'll do it!

Grudgingly... but we'll do it.

So that's that. Head on over to the Magical Game Factory website and have a look around. Get involved and get ready. Pier Solar was just the beginning!

Thank you for all your past and future support,

Your friends at Watermelon

WATERMELON TEAM
Not sure if they are called Magical Game Factory now or Watermelon.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/15/2012, 08:17 PM
This sounds like a stupid fucking idea.   It's one thing to ask for input and listen to the community, but it's another to offer up "investing".  The only thing you invest into gaming is TIME.  Not money.

Its going to turn into a pissing contest with real money involved and money wasting buffoons will take over and make a mess.  Those idiots that pay 90049024$ for pier solar?  Yeah guess what they're going to spend money on!?

Some idiot is going to pay them 10000$ to make a game where black people throw watermelons at Jews who are picking up pennies while getting gassed by Nazi's who are gang banging catholic school girls while tentacles rip out of everywhere and rape them all.    Whipped Cream cans will be involved.  THEY'LL DO IT.  GET YOUR GEMS READY.

I also find it funny these are the same people that were being total jackoffs when Pier Solar's initial launch was less than epic.  Now the fans are "instrumental" and shit. 

I wish them the best of luck on their trainwreck.  Godspeed. 
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 02/15/2012, 09:51 PM
Yup.  I can't see how this will end up being a good idea.  As I said on Sega-16, he who has the most money doesn't necessarily have the best ideas.  Community interest should dictate what their next game will be about, not a few people willing to throw lots of money at it.  And what if 3 people with lots of money all want three different things from a game?  We'll get a broken mess.

Sounds like they need some leadership.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/15/2012, 10:00 PM
Sounds like they need to get off the meth and stop being morons.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Nazi NecroPhile on 02/16/2012, 09:30 AM
Agreed - sounds like they're gonna have lots of chiefs and not many braves.  I'd like to know the numbers, though; how much investment does it take to get a 'free investor edition' of the game?  $100?  $1000?  $10000?!?
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/16/2012, 09:34 AM
Watermelon may give Super Retard Team a run for their money as far as being idiots in the homebrew for old as fuck stuff department.


I think it's all just a bullshit ploy to get cash from people stupid enough to do it.   What better way to do it than to make a mockery of homebrew.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: CrackTiger on 02/17/2012, 09:56 AM
Unfortunately, this is just one more sign that making new Genesis/Mega Drive games isn't as much of a passion project for them as it is driven by other motivations.

At least we get new games in the end.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/17/2012, 10:54 AM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/17/2012, 09:56 AMUnfortunately, this is just one more sign that making new Genesis/Mega Drive games isn't as much of a passion project for them as it is driven by other motivations.

At least we get new games in the end.
I dunno wtf you even call what they're doing right now.

Retarded is one way to say it, I guess.


Maybe they think they're the great architects...? or something?

Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: OldMan on 02/17/2012, 11:36 AM
In my opinion, they saw what Tim Schaefer (sp?) did to raise money for his new point-n-click adventure, and thought "Gee, we could do that. Get all the money up front, and make another game..."

The problem I see is that they don't have the track record Schaefer does :) Or any idea of what kind of game it will be :)
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/17/2012, 11:57 AM
Not having the track record is a bit of an understatement.

They've got one long, disheveled release that was full of issues that made them look kind of lame.

This reminds me of that game Project Entropia.

That game sucked.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Starfighter on 02/17/2012, 05:37 PM
I got stuck on the last boss. As it turns out I grinded too little (who can blame me, it was flat out boring) and then there was no way back - I had to start over from the beginning. Which I sure as pooples didn't, because the game was... well. Pooples. I got my name in the manual though, lucky me......
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: bartre on 02/17/2012, 07:19 PM
PS is pretty good.
that said, i have no idea why people want to pay $200+ for it.
honestly, if i was going to spend that kind of money all at once on gaming, I'd net myself a copy of something great, maybe even more than one, perhaps coryoon double dragon ii and spriggan.
ah well, to each their own.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 02/17/2012, 07:24 PM
Here is an update from Magical Game Factory (what Watermelon is calling themselves now, I guess):

*MGF does not work like an auction, where only the vote of highest "bidder" matters. It works (sort of) like a stock company, where a majority of the stock holders take the decision. The money is NOT wasted for those who picked a "losing option", as the money will still be converted to games when the project is over. For now, when Project Y has the poll about console, you could say an investor could join because he would want just a new WaterMelon game. Then, after console is choosen, it's time for genre. Then people who are interested in the winning console may join because it's already decided it will be a game for that console.

*MGF will have the passion of Pier Solar, but in a different way. Project Y will be very different, as it's a project started in the Factory. Project SF was started inhouse and will be more like Pier Solar. WaterMelon already has a bunch of concepts shelved for various genres, many could fit well for Project Y if that's what the Investors want.

*You aren't paying for vaporware. If that was the case, online auctions would also be vaporware until you have the items in your hands, because the seller can decide to ship it anytime he wants.

*You can't exactly choose the protagonist to be a Goatse sprite before some other things are choosen. You don't exactly decide everything on a game the first week of development. You begin selecting console, then genre, then style etc. and go on, step, by step.

Someone else responded with:
"Why such explanation couldn't have been given before, in the same day that the e-mail was delivered?"

Which MGF replied: "Because the many misunderstandings of the concept wasn't there then."  They seriously did not see this coming.

Then Black Tiger asked an excellent question which went unanswered:

Quote from: CrackTigerDo investors get credit towards copies of the eventual game? Like if some buys $50 of gems will they receive a copy of the final game free of charge and will someone who pays $1000 receive 20 copies of the game or $1000 worth of Pier Solar game, soundtrack and any other Watermelon products?
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/17/2012, 08:23 PM
MGF

"Moronic Genesis Fuckups"


I thought Super Fighter Team , headed by Brandon "I did everything first" Cobb, was retarded

Then these chucklefucks go and do this.

"Auctions are vaporware"  <<< No.  People can see the fucking item they're buying.  This logic means everythings vaporware until you buy it.  Do we want these people making us games?

The Passion of Pier Solar ?  So, long dev cycle, followed by treating the disgruntled paying customers like shit for a few weeks, followed by being apologetic wangs?

This is retarded.

I'm glad I went with releasing retarded arcade clones.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 02/17/2012, 11:41 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/17/2012, 08:23 PMI thought Super Fighter Team , headed by Brandon "I did everything first" Cobb, was retarded
He is, and Watermelon publicly called him out about his shitty ways on the forum.  Then they go and do something even more retarded.

Since Tulio has me in his circle on Google+, I actually signed in and responded to his announcement.  This is the most use I've ever gotten out of Google+, but they have said that they are only paying attention to what goes on on their own forums now and I knew he'd see this:

(https://web.archive.org/web/20131205185625im_/http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/mgf.png)

He did respond by saying that the amount spent of Gems was 1:1 but then he went 'round and round and somehow said that it would cost less, I dunno.  Then he thanked me for having an opinion.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/18/2012, 12:14 AM
Joe.

You are no longer a pussy.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: OldRover on 02/18/2012, 12:30 AM
This whole thing stinks of MegaScam.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Joe Redifer on 02/18/2012, 12:38 AM
Well here's more.  This will surprise no one.

I was just perusing Watermelon's shitty forum and I saw this:

(https://web.archive.org/web/20131205185047im_/http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/cd.png)

Zebbe is a member of the Watermelon team.  What every person with more than 3 brain cells already knew and Watermelon vehemently denied is finally revealed.  The original CDs were shit not because the Sega CD was so old, but because the CDs themselves were shit.  They've been "fixed" now.  Bottom line:  Don't trust a god damn thing these morons say because they WILL lie to you.

Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: OldRover on 02/18/2012, 12:58 AM
You're right... not surprising at all. That "old hardware" excuse was so lame. I can't believe there was anyone who actually believed it. Hell, I ran low-quality CDRs on my old Sega CD unit and they worked flawlessly.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Mathius on 02/18/2012, 12:59 AM
Wish it weren't so but the evidence speaks.

What is the deal with these modern homebrew teams? NG.dev.team has been boycotted by the MGC staff for reasons unknown to me. What I do know is that they were not giving credit to to a guy that helped them in the development of some of their earlier releases. He had some kind of special software that he himself created and offered it to NG.Dev.Team for free. There is a much larger story here but I haven't been enlightened yet.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Starfighter on 02/18/2012, 07:03 AM
Quote from: bartre on 02/17/2012, 07:19 PMPS is pretty good.
that said, i have no idea why people want to pay $200+ for it.
honestly, if i was going to spend that kind of money all at once on gaming, I'd net myself a copy of something great, maybe even more than one, perhaps coryoon double dragon ii and spriggan.
ah well, to each their own.
What in the fuckery of ass?! I had no idea it sells for that kind of amounts! :O I paid around $40 (incl shipping) for mine and thought it would only decrease in value.. Maybe I should sell mine and buy something fun instead.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/18/2012, 10:13 AM
I already knew they lie.

They're a bunch of dicktouchers.

They lied like 30 times already.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Starfighter on 02/18/2012, 12:03 PM
Arkhan: Tell them what you feel man, that's better than to build up anger in a forum far away from the source of the problem.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/18/2012, 05:06 PM
Quote from: Starfighter on 02/18/2012, 12:03 PMArkhan: Tell them what you feel man, that's better than to build up anger in a forum far away from the source of the problem.
Id rather not waste my time on jackasses.

Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Starfighter on 02/18/2012, 06:25 PM
Drink beer instead. That's a one way ticket to happy land!

Edit: You should come, it's very nice here! We have... well, we have beer. And... yeah.

Edit 2: I got it! We also have... oh right, I said beer.
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: cabbage on 02/18/2012, 06:59 PM
Quote from: Starfighter on 02/18/2012, 06:25 PMDrink beer instead. That's a one way ticket to happy land!
:lol:
Seriously, Arkhan, you need to chill out every once in a while, or you're going to start releasing a bunch of shoddy homebrew reprints and lying to your customers or something!
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/18/2012, 07:58 PM
beer sucks. GATORADE IS BETTER
Title: Re: Pier Solar, finally
Post by: guyjin on 02/18/2012, 10:35 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/18/2012, 10:13 AMThey're a bunch of dicktouchers.
Hey! that's an insult to Dicktouchers!