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Is there any interest in adding a board dedicated to the Laseractive and Laserdiscs? There are a bunch of LD movie collectors on here and it would be nice to have a place to trade movies and talk about the Laseractive and its games. There is a lot this topic in the chat but it needs a place to call home around here. Buying movies is kind of a pain and it seems a lot of people have a nice small collection so we could have a really sweet trading post for movies.
Thanks!!

If it would get the CONSTANT babbling about it out of chat more I'd be ALL for it.

Quote from: nectarsis on 06/11/2011, 01:37 PMIf it would get the CONSTANT babbling about it out of chat more I'd be ALL for it.

:cry: nectar doesn't like our LD/LA talk.

Quote from: BlueBMW on 06/11/2011, 02:08 PM

Quote from: nectarsis on 06/11/2011, 01:37 PMIf it would get the CONSTANT babbling about it out of chat more I'd be ALL for it.

:cry: nectar doesn't like our LD/LA talk. 

that's cause he's missing out on all the fun :D

Quote from: elabit on 06/11/2011, 02:21 PM

Quote from: BlueBMW on 06/11/2011, 02:08 PM

Quote from: nectarsis on 06/11/2011, 01:37 PMIf it would get the CONSTANT babbling about it out of chat more I'd be ALL for it.

:cry: nectar doesn't like our LD/LA talk.

that's cause he's missing out on all the fun :D

I hardly call it missing out....just WAY overdone/overrated.

Laseractive sucks.  I don't think this is a good idea.  I will help even further by taking all of the other members' crappy LA stuff off their hands.

I guess the root cause of all this is a real lack of an LA dedicated forum.  I haven't found one yet.  We just seem to have several people here interested in LA and other obscure consoles.  Ill shut up about them since it seems to be a great annoyance to a lot of people here.

i don't see the need.  topics would be few.  chatbox is fine

Quote from: SuperDeadite on 06/30/2011, 10:04 AMi don't see the need.  topics would be few.  chatbox is fine

I disagree, I think it would be TOO popular.  That could be okay, but I wouldn't want to see the server crashed with the influx of rabid Laseractive fans.

Nectarsis is just being the grouchy old man trying to piss in everyone's cheerios :)

It is a variation of turbo hardware, like it or not. I don't see the problem with discussing it or any other consoles, including Jaguar. If we start making too many rules about what we can talk about and what we can't, it's just going to drive people away.

I think that there are too many sub-forums as it is.  Do we really need separate forums for the TG-16 and the PCE?  In my opinion, the only forums that we need are:

TurboGrafx / PCE Discussion
PC-FX Discussion
Sales & Trades
Hardware / Mods Discussion
General Gaming (non NEC) Discussion
Off-Topic / Chit-Chat

Just talk about the laseractive in the console chat forum.

Chris

yeah, a lazerdisc thread in chit chat and/or lazeractive thread in the PCE forum would work, methinks.

I say FUCK NO!  Next thing you know we'll have people clamoring for dedicated areas for every console or blu-rays/DVDs/CEDs or nectar's My Little Pony collection.

Quote from: guest on 07/01/2011, 03:20 PMI say FUCK NO!  Next thing you know we'll have people clamoring for dedicated areas for every console or blu-rays/DVDs/CEDs or nectar's My Little Pony collection.

Well I guess I won't be suggesting a Nuon board after all.......

Quote from: Saibot on 07/01/2011, 09:15 AMNectarsis is just being the grouchy old man trying to piss in everyone's cheerios :)

It is a variation of turbo hardware, like it or not. I don't see the problem with discussing it or any other consoles, including Jaguar. If we start making too many rules about what we can talk about and what we can't, it's just going to drive people away.

Hardly :P

Yet it is one of the only things talked about regularly, to much by many peoples count ;)

Quote from: guest on 07/01/2011, 03:20 PMI say FUCK NO!  Next thing you know we'll have people clamoring for dedicated areas for every console or blu-rays/DVDs/CEDs or nectar's My Little Pony collection.

#-o My secret collection is outed  :evil:

Quote from: BlueBMW on 06/11/2011, 02:08 PM

Quote from: nectarsis on 06/11/2011, 01:37 PMIf it would get the CONSTANT babbling about it out of chat more I'd be ALL for it.

:cry: nectar doesn't like our LD/LA talk.

I agree with Nectarsis. The Laseractive/Virtualboy/NUON&OtherFAIL7gamesystems babble is a joke in chat.

However, I also agree with NecroPhile that the last thing i'd like to see is people posting about that nonsense.

Maybe we can have a discussion board EXCLUSIVELY about how lame the new V series was on cable... or maybe we could just

PLAY TURBOB & OBEY PCE

Quote from: nectarsis on 07/02/2011, 01:36 AMHardly :P

Yet it is one of the only things talked about regularly, to much by many peoples count ;)

 #-o My secret collection is outed  :evil:

Hahahahaha!

I guess it seems to me, the topics of discussion are usually depending on the people doing the discussing.  If there's not enough turbo / pce talk, then it probably means the more hardcore turbo/pce guys arent online.  When Saibot is on, you can bet there will be obscure system chat happening.  When Arkhan is on, you can count on random gibberish.  When chop, steve, blueraven and I get on, you can count on some tech talk.  When trevpwnsnoobs is on you know he'll be asking for something for free :lol:

My point is, we need more of the hardcore turbo guys online more in order to generate more turbo related chat / discussion.  I'm guilty of talking about just about everything, so I'm not much help on the matter.

If more people talked about the Camp California soundtrack, then I assume the Laseractive talk would die down considerably.

But seriously, I am sure I am going to get blasted for this, but...  the Laseractive is much more of a NEC/PCE machine than the Super Grafx ever was.  There are more games made for it that genuinely use the PCE hardware capabilities (the overlays), and it can play all the old games just like the Super Grafx.  So to all of the complainers that also like to talk about the Super Grafx, I refer to you as hypocrites!

That's it. It's settled. I think we should just talk about sex all the time.

Lol i think we should have a sub form at least for because it is t16/pce hardware but thats about as far as i would like to see it go.

This place should be renamed pcenginelaseractivefx.com

Quote from: elabit on 07/04/2011, 05:42 PMThis place should be renamed pcenginelaseractivefx.com

FIXED: pcenginevirtualcameramanfx.com

Quote from: SuperDeadite on 07/04/2011, 09:01 PM

Quote from: elabit on 07/04/2011, 05:42 PMThis place should be renamed pcenginelaseractivefx.com

FIXED: pcenginevirtualcameramanfx.com

Very nice :)

I will take the lack of a rebuttal to my Laseractive vs. Super Grafx factoid as a surrender by all the naysayers.  As no rebuttal exists, the numbers speak for themselves.

Supergrafx wins because it is super.

New name PcEngineSex.com

If you don't want sex in the ass, you came to the wrong place.

Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/02/2011, 03:42 PMBut seriously, I am sure I am going to get blasted for this, but...  the Laseractive is much more of a NEC/PCE machine than the Super Grafx ever was.

Interesting topic, but did NEC/Hudson actually have anything to do with the LD-ROM² side of the hardware?  From wikipedia (so you know it's 100% true), the format was created in the mid-80s by Philips for an new multimedia version of the Domesday Book (11th century survey); similar to the LA, it used video on the LD and an Acorn computer for control and overlays.

In other words, the SuperGrafx is superior because it's all NEC/Hudson; the LaserActive is slightly less awesome because it involved clog-wearing windmill-builders.

What? Oh come on, everybody knows all the best serial killers are dutch people.

They make great chocolate too...

Quote from: nectarsis on 06/11/2011, 01:37 PMIf it would get the CONSTANT babbling about it out of chat more I'd be ALL for it.

I second this cause im sick of F@#kin hearing about it.  It killed the live thread imo.

Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/02/2011, 08:58 AM

Quote from: nectarsis on 07/02/2011, 01:36 AMHardly :P

Yet it is one of the only things talked about regularly, to much by many peoples count ;)

 #-o My secret collection is outed  :evil:

Hahahahaha!

I guess it seems to me, the topics of discussion are usually depending on the people doing the discussing.  If there's not enough turbo / pce talk, then it probably means the more hardcore turbo/pce guys arent online.  When Saibot is on, you can bet there will be obscure system chat happening.  When Arkhan is on, you can count on random gibberish.  When chop, steve, blueraven and I get on, you can count on some tech talk.  When trevpwnsnoobs is on you know he'll be asking for something for free :lol:

My point is, we need more of the hardcore turbo guys online more in order to generate more turbo related chat / discussion.  I'm guilty of talking about just about everything, so I'm not much help on the matter.

ASll the hard core turbo/pce guys arent online cause assholes are talking about butt fucking each other, or some shitty b rate system like noun, or some lazer disk crap that is nothing but a 3rd of a pce/tg system if that addon is put in.  People always try to bring up pce/tg games etc. but it gets shot down pretty damn fast.

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Yeah maybe if people actually collected and knew about pce they wouldnt talk about noun butt F%^king each other :wink: poser

Lol I have only one question, who died and left you n00bz in charge?

I'm going to tell you n00bz a little story. A long time ago, I belonged to this Doom site. Well they tried to tell us that the only thing we could talk about was Doom. While imps are brown and sexy, they start to wear thin after a while. Eventually everybody got sick of it and left. The end ^.^

Let's talk about attention, that's what this is really all about, right? You n00bz are not getting yours. It's not my fault that since I joined, like 5 members got a Nuon and like 9 got a LaserActive. I had nothing to do with it, honest. People are attracted to such obscurities on their own behest, and it has nothing to do with me. Honest :)

Your case started to have some weight, until you made up lies about people saying you can't talk about Turbo stuff in chat. Blindly slinging accusations without any proof to back it up, way to shoot your own credibility in the foot. Self-owned.

lol "Your case started to have some weight, until you made up lies about people saying you can't talk about Turbo stuff in chat. Blindly slinging accusations without any proof to back it up, way to shoot your own credibility in the foot. Self-owned".
  ha ha ha what are you talking about?!?!
LOL noob. I hope your not calling me the noob. dude seriously, do I have to start? everyone here knows where Im at and how long ive been doing pce/tg16 gaming.

Quote from: Saibot on 07/05/2011, 05:27 PMYour case started to have some weight, until you made up lies about people saying you can't talk about Turbo stuff in chat. Blindly slinging accusations without any proof to back it up, way to shoot your own credibility in the foot. Self-owned.

There's some truth to that - more than once myself and others have started talking about Turbobs and been mostly ignored while a nuon conversation will drag on for pages.

Quote from: turbogrfxfan on 07/05/2011, 05:48 PMlol "Your case started to have some weight, until you made up lies about people saying you can't talk about Turbo stuff in chat. Blindly slinging accusations without any proof to back it up, way to shoot your own credibility in the foot. Self-owned".
  ha ha ha what are you talking about?!?!
LOL noob. I hope your not calling me the noob. dude seriously, do I have to start? everyone here knows where Im at and how long ive been doing pce/tg16 gaming.

Dude just go back to acting like a moron and s.t.f.u.. you make no sense.  your the noob not me.


wow thnx sai for keeping pcenginefx alive!!!  lol this place would be dead without you!!!  no asshole this place is dead because of you!!! you blind ASS*&%E!!  lol you kill me.

How am I a noob?

QuoteWhat? Oh come on, everybody knows all the best serial killers are dutch people.
They make great chocolate too...

??!??. Who makes great chocolate? Serial killers or Dutch people???

On one hand a seperate LA forum seems like overkill, but at the same time we have separate forums for TG-16 and PCE, which just doesn't even make sense.

Also, no, the chatbox isn't good enough. The chatbox sucks. Unless I stare at it 24/7 I'm going to miss the puny amount of usefull LA info that comes across it.  The chatbox is most usefull for off topic things or maybe stupid bitching feuds between members.

The chatbox is basically the bar.  Upon entering the bar one has 4 options:

1.  Hear what the hotties are saying and join their conversation.
2.  Skillfully steer the conversation into something you want to talk about. (This gets you laid)
3.  Ignore the masses and talk to the creepy and/or ugly chick in the back. (Also gets you laid)
4.  Say nothing, go home, masturbate, and cry.

Lol you n00bz are way overstepping your bounds. You're not in charge, don't try to police the chatbox and tell us what we can and cannot talk about. You n00bz may think you got balls, but you got no teeth :)

I've talked to moderators on more than one occasion and they don't seem to have a problem with what we talk about in the chatbox. The only ones trying to control what is said is you n00bz, who have no real authority. Back down, and back down fast. Go running away like a little girl with your tail between your legs and cry me a river, crybabies :)

Yet still, LaserActive is a version of Turbo Hardware, so even if the rules state BLAH BLAH BLAH YOU CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT TURBO HARDWARE OR GTFO then we are still in the clear, so once again any point you n00bz are trying to make is null and void. Have a nice day :)

While I love Bonk and his own personal version of roast beef roid rage(laced with ecstacy), IF WE TALKED ABOUT BONK 24/7 WE WOULD GET SICK OF IT.

hi ho, hi ho... its off to fighting street we're about to go... with laserdiscs and turbo sticks, hi ho, hi ho, hi ho hi ho...!

you can talk about whatever you want on the live thread.  I never said otherwise.  I was just stating that Im sick of you and what you talk about.  I have the right to say how I feel and I guess your just upset cause your the bitch Im calling out.  Im not telling you to stop. you have the right as much as i do. my opinion you killed the thread and im not the only one to say so.
  lol as far as balls  I got balls. big fukin balls.  i wish this was the real world but its not. your threat of me backing down is weak.  what are you going to do???

Quote from: turbogrfxfan on 07/05/2011, 09:23 PMyou can talk about whatever you want on the live thread.  I never said otherwise.  I was just stating that Im sick of you and what you talk about.  I have the right to say how I feel and I guess your just upset cause your the bitch Im calling out.  Im not telling you to stop. you have the right as much as i do. my opinion you killed the thread and im not the only one to say so.
  lol as far as balls  I got balls. big fukin balls.  i wish this was the real world but its not. your threat of me backing down is weak.  what are you going to do???

Would it be super manly or super gay to have a pictoral thread in fighting street where we compare ball sizes?

Count my flabby love bag in on that if it is going down, I can out ball anyone.

damn last time I make any surgestions  :lol:

LOL

1) You try to act like a mod
2) You get proven wrong and embarassed
3) After failure, you take the low road, and start the usual blah blah, you never get laid etc
4) Once those ploys are laughed off, you turn into a typical internet toughguy with small man's complex and start sending me threats.

So, given all that, what did I do wrong? lawlz.

Self-owned

Quote from: Saibot on 07/05/2011, 10:08 PMLOL

1) You try to act like a mod
2) You get proven wrong and embarassed
3) After failure, you take the low road, and start the usual blah blah, you never get laid etc
4) Once those ploys are laughed off, you turn into a typical internet toughguy with small man's complex and start sending me threats.

So, given all that, what did I do wrong? lawlz.

Self-owned

first off, show me where i was acting like a mod?
second off, where did u prove me wrong?
third off, you stated that you love how people acting tough on the internet.  I stated lets meet in person and have a talk.
you threatened me talking tough.
and after all the crap you talk about lube, and sex, and all that other crap just proves you dont get any action.  It has nothing to do with me having a small mans complex.  thats just your assumption.
  where did you prove me wrong?

So wheres the part that you two make up and become friends?  :mrgreen:

LOL, and people think I'm bad...

I often wonder why I'm not banned...then again overall people seem to not have a problem with me, just a select few. But you seem to be making a strong case for getting yourself banned. Good thing the mods around here are chillaxed

ive done nothing wrong for them to bann me.  Who here thinks Ive done anything wrong?????????

 I like your angle that your using.  Just keep pretending your right and you won in hopes that others believe you.
all im asking is for you to show me where im wrong and where ive been acting like a mod.

seriously I would love to know someone on here that lived close-ish like you guys do to go game hunting and play co-op shubibinman with and then watch a laserdisc.

Quote from: elabit on 07/05/2011, 10:28 PMseriously I would love to know someone on here that lived close-ish like you guys do to go game hunting and play co-op shubibinman with and then watch a laserdisc.

Knoxville's only what... 14 hours away? :P

Small Man's Complex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex)

This is what you see in the mirror every day when you wake up, sir.

I love when you accuse me of killing the live chat. The live chat is doing quite well, actually. The only one I don't see on there very often is you. Part of why it is doing so well is because it is truly an open chat room, where members are free to discuss other consoles, so people who are members on other classic gaming sites such as NeoGeo, AtariAge, Sega-16, and NintendoAge feel free to come in and discuss whatever they would like without any worries.

So yeah, the only one I don't see on there often is you. What ever would we do without you, coming in, trying to boss people around, telling them what they can and cannot talk about, insulting and threatening them when you don't get your way?

This has quickly gone from entertaining to just plain annoying. Seriously, you are not a mod. You are wrong. Back down :)

you are just really out of your F*&^ing mind!! lol
I dont boss anyone!  who have I bossed around?
once again when have i acted like a mod????  people just have to read this thread and see im not acting like a mod. talking about insulting people.  what about your remarks on turkish people etc. do i ever do that?  Where was the threat?
The shout box is doing well in your eyes cuse you only know it from the point for which you got on it. How long have you been on here?  How do you know who left? The live thread is basicly all new members.  I wasnt here for very long either but ive been here long enough to know what shout was like before you.  Ive been on here long enough to talk with these people about how things changed.
    everyone has the right to talk what they want including you but you frikkin overkill it.

Wait, what?

1: I thought we were talking about the Laseractive here?

2: Is this an actual fight? About what?

3: Who the fuck is Saibot? He seems like a douche.

4: I don't go to bars.

Put that in your sig and smoke it.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 07/06/2011, 01:56 AM2: Is this an actual fight? About what?

Well that was certainly interesting.

There are a fair amount of people who only hang out in shout, like Saibot and there are people who mainly (or only) post in the forums like Zeta (I've never actually seen you post in shout), and there are some like turbogrfxfan and myself that do a bit of both. I can see why if some ppl are only doing one or the other that they might miss other people here.

As much as I don't want a Laseractive, and have no plans to purchase one, some ppl in shout regularly have picked them up recently and there has been this month of Nuon numbness that also pervaded the daily conversation. It bores the hell out of me, but some people dig it and some people a re pissed its going on instead of turbo conversation. And people have been spending too much time talking about Sega PAC's IMO and other such disastrously boring things.  A lot of people have been talking about obscure shit from the Casio Loopy and the Game.com. Some people always talk about Sega Saturn. I'm making waaay too many FM Towns Marty comments.

THAT SAID....

Blaming Saibot for everyone else buying worthless crap like a system with only 7 games and talking about it doesn't exactly make sense even if the dude does start every convo with "Sex", constantly is referencing turkish whores, and Kirby emoticons.

AND...

turbogrfxfan is right. We need to talk more about Turbob.

Now don't be jealous blue.  There's plenty of Loopy action to go around for everyone. :)

Time for somebody to take charge around here...look at these n00bz trying to tell people what they can and cannot talk about. Is this the message you want new users to get from this site?

I know some people who have left because all of the vigilante wannabe mods trying to boss people around. True story.

Somebody coming in starting a conversation with "Saibot is a douche" has a whole lot to do with Turbo conversation, doesn't it. You n00bz and your unified front might actually get somewhere, if you didn't contradict yourselves with every last thing you say :)

Quote from: blueraven on 07/06/2011, 04:26 AMWe need to talk more about Turbob.  

Too true.  If anyone wants to know why many of the long-time good guys ain't around much nowadays, this is it.

Quote from: Saibot on 07/05/2011, 09:07 PMLol you n00bz are way overstepping your bounds. You're not in charge, don't try to police the chatbox and tell us what we can and cannot talk about. You n00bz may think you got balls, but you got no teeth :)

Back down, and back down fast. Go running away like a little girl with your tail between your legs and cry me a river, crybabies :)

33 posts (many in arguing threads like this)... in 6 years (most you weren't ever here), and you're calling people noobz  :roll: :lol: :lol:


LMAO internet tough guy alert.  Noobz?  WTF...same old, same old "it's the internet I'll do what I want...cause I'm SOOOOOOOOOO L33T"

By your logic YOU STFU you aren't in charge, nor run shit, so quit the hypocrisy.  Yes we all know (as you've mentioned it numerous times), the LA is TG/PCE hardware, but a VERY minor portion, and shitty in it's main function (a LD player).


Just because by in large the mods don't care about shout doesn't= you are right or cool.  You notice how little is modded (usually because it isn't necessary).  

"Just because you can...doesn't always mean you should" ;)

Quote from: Saibot on 07/05/2011, 10:22 PMI often wonder why I'm not banned...then again overall people seem to not have a problem with me, just a select few.

More than a few just ignore/tolerate you to keep the peace.  :P  :lol:

Quote from: Saibot on 07/06/2011, 09:04 AMI know some people who have left because all of the vigilante wannabe mods trying to boss people around. True story.

Just as many (or more) have left/don't come around as much due to the asshattery (see Saibot's attitude, etc.).

Even these posts (lost count of the noobz bs)...people get sick of the one trick pony.  When it's basically the same few topics talked about by the same people everyday...yeah lack of imagination.  Some people really need to expand their lives a tad.

wtf?  I think it's gotta be more luck of the draw in shout.  Sometimes you get LA talk, sometimes you get crazy hatris time talk, and even sometimes you get INtraNET toughguys in their 30's trying to school yard bully other guys in their 30's.  I've really never had any problem with the laseractive talk in shout.  If anything it's interesting finding out what the system with all its crazy hookups could actually do!

Enough with the hate-fighting.  You guys are both funny as balls, just apologize to one another and say 'I misunderstood' and lets move on!!  or if you can't maybe we'll organize a turbob gathering and let you two fuckers hug it out!

Quote from: nectarsis on 07/06/2011, 02:34 PMSome people really need to expand their lives a tad.

Nectar got laid.

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 07/06/2011, 03:08 PMNectar got laid.

Was it good for you as well?

Quote from: guest on 07/06/2011, 03:11 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 07/06/2011, 03:08 PMNectar got laid.

Was it good for you as well?

it always is.

Quote from: guest on 07/06/2011, 03:11 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 07/06/2011, 03:08 PMNectar got laid.

Was it good for you as well?

There was no Arkhan ass tickler  [-( :roll:

I'm going to attempt to stay on topic and vote for no separate section. I don't like that we have a separate TG and PCE section as it is so I doubt i'll like this.

Quote from: Senshi on 07/06/2011, 08:37 PMI'm going to attempt to stay on topic and vote for no separate section. I don't like that we have a separate TG and PCE section as it is so I doubt i'll like this.

i agree.

Somehow I missed this topic until now, so let me clarify a few things.

1) The shoutbox is unmoderated, for better or worse. Anything goes, unless you're Nintega, in which case you get your ass thrown right out.

2) The LaserActive is not an NEC console. It may have a "pack" that gives it the ability to play NEC console games, but it also has a Genesis "pack," among other things. It's not an NEC console. It will not be getting its own sub forum.

End of story.

Well, that makes no fucking sense. We have a sub forum for the Wii virtual console which is not only not a NEC system but also plays ROMs that are identical to the ones already available for the real consoles. Ie: Super Star Solider for VC is identical to the TG-16/PCE HuCard therefore making the VC not only "off topic" but also totally irrelevant.

Also, the separate forums for TG-16 and PCE...how is this logical? On any other forum nobody would pretend that a Neo Geo game released in Japan is somehow for a completely different system than the American version of the same game.

What will be will be, but don't try to pretend there is any logic to it.

There were variations of the Laseractive which were not Pioneer, but rather Aiwa and NEC...  just saying,

There were also Wondermegas made by Victor, Saturns made by Hitachi, Famicoms made by Sharp, etc. I guess these would be off topic systems on any website devoted to the Megadrive/Saturn/FC...

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 07/16/2011, 06:29 PMThere were also Wondermegas made by Victor, Saturns made by Hitachi, Famicoms made by Sharp, etc. I guess these would be off topic systems on any website devoted to the Megadrive/Saturn/FC...

Those systems are replicas of the original hardware.  The LA is a different beast in that it uses the original capabilities of a system, but then adds additional capabilities and a new format (LD).  The fact NEC got into the branding (production?) of the system indicates even they were aware of the unique experience the LA could deliver.

If the Victor Saturn used LD and had all of the original functionality + new functionality, damn right it would deserve its own forum on a Saturn website.

The Victor Wondermega is totally different from the Sega one, also the Famicom Twin is quite a bit different from a standard Famicom.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 07/16/2011, 05:59 PMWell, that makes no fucking sense. We have a sub forum for the Wii virtual console which is not only not a NEC system but also plays ROMs that are identical to the ones already available for the real consoles. Ie: Super Star Solider for VC is identical to the TG-16/PCE HuCard therefore making the VC not only "off topic" but also totally irrelevant.

Also, the separate forums for TG-16 and PCE...how is this logical? On any other forum nobody would pretend that a Neo Geo game released in Japan is somehow for a completely different system than the American version of the same game.

I'm with you there. Believe me, I lobbied heavily to merge the two sub forums when we had this discussion a couple years ago but I was overruled.

QuoteWhat will be will be, but don't try to pretend there is any logic to it.

I see your point, but once we open the door for other consoles and such, where do we draw the line? Why not just create a Genesis and SNES sub forum while we're at it? Hell, why not one for the SMS and NES?

You draw the line when you got people coming into chat acting like they own the place, telling people what they can and cannot talk about, then when they're ignored or laughed at they start flaming people 3 on 1.

Quote from: Saibot on 07/18/2011, 01:56 PMYou draw the line when you got people coming into chat acting like they own the place, telling people what they can and cannot talk about, then when they're ignored or laughed at they start flaming people 3 on 1.

Oh, do you own chat?  I think not - you get to talk about whatever you want and those that don't want to hear your LA talk get to say whatever they want, so why don't you douche the sand out of your vag and quit crying already.

Quote from: guest on 07/18/2011, 03:19 PM

Quote from: Saibot on 07/18/2011, 01:56 PMYou draw the line when you got people coming into chat acting like they own the place, telling people what they can and cannot talk about, then when they're ignored or laughed at they start flaming people 3 on 1.

Oh, do you own chat?  I think not - you get to talk about whatever you want and those that don't want to hear your LA talk get to say whatever they want, so why don't you douche the sand out of your vag and quit crying already.

Oh NecroPhile must also have a connected brain  :roll: :lol:   SSDD Sai  bringing up/STARTING the same shit, yet whines when it blows up in his face.  It gets old man, try new material.  Always talking like your right to say/act however you want, disrespect others etc. trumps all others.  Quit being a whiny hypocrite, and learn how to interact with others not "It's the internet I'll act however I want"...yet cry when others act the same way to them.

This argument has gone on 5 pages.... wow :lol:

ha ha the kid just doesnt get it. No sense in trying to make him understand.  Its like telling a five year old kid not to play with matches. Hes going to do what he wants and when he gets burned hes plays the victom. all anyone has to do is read this thread and they will see how he is. Its here in black and white and he still plays his b.s..  I just ignore him.

Well I like Saibot, and I like you too Turbo so I guess I'll just plug my ears and hum  :-" :mrgreen:

Quote from: nat on 07/17/2011, 05:15 PMI see your point, but once we open the door for other consoles and such, where do we draw the line? Why not just create a Genesis and SNES sub forum while we're at it? Hell, why not one for the SMS and NES?

Are you being serious? Does the SNES run PC Engine code?

How is the LA an "other" console? It's got official NEC/Hu chips in it. I carries the HE System logo. You stick actual HuCards and Super CDs in them and they play. Does the Genesis do that?

QuoteAre you being serious? Does the SNES run PC Engine code?
 

This nintendo in the video can play pc-engine games just fine... http://youtu.be/wyxX-ClNA_M
HEHEHEEE...im just joking. I can see the points you all made though.
Instead of an actual "section" for LA why not just have an ongoing thread like this one (but nicer, helpful, and resourceful),...where people can come back and add different info at different times.

Quote from: GameFreak on 07/18/2011, 10:15 PMInstead of an actual "section" for LA why not just have an ongoing thread like this one (but nicer, helpful, and resourceful),...where people can come back and add different info at different times.

This! :D

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 07/18/2011, 09:16 PM

Quote from: nat on 07/17/2011, 05:15 PMI see your point, but once we open the door for other consoles and such, where do we draw the line? Why not just create a Genesis and SNES sub forum while we're at it? Hell, why not one for the SMS and NES?

Are you being serious? Does the SNES run PC Engine code?

How is the LA an "other" console? It's got official NEC/Hu chips in it. I carries the HE System logo. You stick actual HuCards and Super CDs in them and they play. Does the Genesis do that?

You beat me to it.  Not in the same league, not even the same sport...

Quote from: SaibotYou draw the line when you got people coming into chat acting like they own the place, telling people what they can and cannot talk about, then when they're ignored or laughed at they start flaming people 3 on 1.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, shoutbox is unmoderated.

On the other hand, the forum IS moderated and if you don't have anything to contribute to the topic at hand (adding a LaserActive subforum), then please refrain from further posting in this thread. Consider this your final warning.

Quote from: GameFreak on 07/18/2011, 10:15 PMInstead of an actual "section" for LA why not just have an ongoing thread like this one (but nicer, helpful, and resourceful),...where people can come back and add different info at different times.

Go right ahead and start one.

Quote from: SignOfZetaAre you being serious? Does the SNES run PC Engine code?

Yes, I'm being serious. And no, not to my knowledge. To the best of my knowledge, neither does the LaserActive.

QuoteHow is the LA an "other" console? It's got official NEC/Hu chips in it. I carries the HE System logo. You stick actual HuCards and Super CDs in them and they play.

It's a non-NEC console that plays its own library of games. You can purchase separate expansion "PAC"s that add the ability to play third-party console games, such as the Turbo and Genesis, among other things. The Turbo "PAC" does indeed carry the "HE" logo, likewise the Genesis PAC carries the appropriate logos. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is any SEGA or NEC branding or hardware on the system itself.

If you need it spelled out for you, the Wii VC is a different situation... The idea behind that forum was originally to keep track of VC Turbo releases and keep tabs on which games would be released, and which wouldn't. There are even certain games that have seen a domestic release through the VC that don't have a corresponding domestic release in the actual Turbo library. You can't just take a HuCard or SuperCD and put it in the Wii and play it, as you could with a LA equipped with an NEC PAC. I'll admit that now that Turbo VC releases have all but been discontinued, the VC sub forum has more or less outlived its usefulness.

On the other hand, a LaserActive equipped with an NEC PAC utilizes the existing Turbo/PCE library. We already have not one, but TWO sub forums for discussing these games (one more than we really need, in my opinion). We certainly don't need a third. Anything else the LaserActive does is outside the realm of the NEC console universe, placing it firmly in "Other Console" territory.

Anyone who needs to discuss the LaserActive's NEC PAC can do so in one of the existing sub forums.

Quote from: SignOfZetaDoes the Genesis do that?

I don't think so.

EDIT:

Quote from: nat on 07/19/2011, 01:57 AM

Quote from: SignOfZetaAre you being serious? Does the SNES run PC Engine code?

Yes, I'm being serious. And no, not to my knowledge. To the best of my knowledge, neither does the LaserActive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a separate library of "LD-ROM" games requiring the NEC PAC and doesn't the NEC PAC generate the sprites and slap them on some fancy laserdisc backgrounds?
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Quote from: SignOfZeta on 07/18/2011, 09:16 PMHow is the LA an "other" console? It's got official NEC/Hu chips in it. I carries the HE System logo. You stick actual HuCards and Super CDs in them and they play. Does the Genesis do that?

The top board on these forums defines pcenginfx as "the NEC console resource."  Zeta's points qualify the Laseractive as a NEC console.  

Companies license stuff.  NEC consoles play Hudson's Hucards.  JVC's X'eye plays Genesis games.  Panasonic and Goldstar consoles play 3DO games.

We don't have to worry about a slippery slope and we're not about to open a floodgate for misfit consoles, so why the vehement objections?  Unlike the PAC-N10, Aaron didn't include the Genesis in his "Compatibility Guide."  The LD-ROM games have a similar logo to the CD, SCD, and ACD games. They're part of a family and there aren't any other systems like that.

That said, we should make a distinction between LD-ROM games and an obsolete home video format has nothing to do with NEC consoles.  People
can talk about collecting movies in the general forum.  My Duo happens to play audio CD's, but we don't give those special treatment.

The Laseractive NEC pack qualifies as a NEC console.  Let's debate a few other standards:
1)  Is there a need for a LD-ROM resource?

Yes.  If pcenginefx doesn't host information and discussion on the LD-ROM, no one will!  In fact, we're already the de facto home for such information:  Aaron saw the need to include it in his compatibility guide and people have started to troubleshoot in the repair forum.  Games are extremely rare and information is scarce.  It's the black sheep of the NEC family.  I've been a member for six year and it's something I'm interested in, yet I know nothing about.
 
2)  Is there enough discussion to warrant special attention?
I don't know.  I have seen more mention of the LD-ROM in the forums over the last year than the previous five combined, but still not much.
I never look at the shout box, but it's a real shame if people have been posting valuable information in that fleeting hell hole for lack of a better place.  

3) Should the topic be integrated into an existing forum?  If so, which one?
The Supergrafx is the closest we have to a precedent:  an advanced, backward-compatible system with a tiny library of its own unique games. There are a few differences of coarse, namely the fact that a laseractive w/NEC pack is so expensive and the games are so rare that the average PCE/TG user is going to be about as interested in LD-ROM discussion as PC-FX discussion.  Also, the SGX uses existing hucard media in a different format, while the LD is completely different media.

I could think through this some more, but I'll just cut to the chase and make a proposal:
1)  Make a shared forum for the SuperGrafx and Laseractive PAC-N10 misfits.
2)  Fewer boards are better, so consolidate the four "sales" forums down to two - one for all NEC console sales and the keep the existing one for non-NEC related goods.  No one keeps the PCE/TG16 sales straight anyway and the PC-FX sales are so few they won't annoy anybody.  Even all three combined won't be any busier than an average day in the TG-16 Discussion.

Quote from: nat on 07/19/2011, 01:57 AM

Quote from: SignOfZetaAre you being serious? Does the SNES run PC Engine code?

Yes, I'm being serious. And no, not to my knowledge. To the best of my knowledge, neither does the LaserActive.

Well since I know your knowledge isn't actually that deficient, I guess this must either be some odd form of facetiousness or just outright trolling...same thing, really.

I guess if you are one of the approximately zero people on Earth who owns a Laseractive and only uses it for movies and karaoke that would be true. In practical reality every LA has a game PAC installed and they absolutely do run PCE code. The PC Engine PAC basically is a PC Engine sans power supply. Combined with the LA itself they form a giant-ass PC Engine. Comparing it to a SNES, which plays absolutely nothing PC Engine is just silly.

The supported game library of an NEC equipped LA is the same as a Duo; everything but Supergrafx. In addition it plays LDROM2 games, every mention of which will stay buried deep beneath the world's suckiest search function without a sub forum.

I don't think the SGX has anything to do with the LA (other than them both being really bad ideas). Both the SGX and LA were evolutionary dead ends, but the SGX is compatible with all the CDROM add-ons, boosters, etc. The LA isn't compatible with anything but the software and controllers. The SGX is certainly "more" of a PCE than the LA is...but its a slightly stupider one. :)

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 07/19/2011, 03:49 AMIn addition it plays LDROM2 games, every mention of which will stay buried deep beneath the world's suckiest search function without a sub forum.

Seriously.

Nat, as a moderator you tend to shoot down or ignore suggestions with which you disagree.  Of course you're going to argue your views, but how about a little "well, I disagree, but I'll present your points to Aaron" or "sounds silly, but let's do a poll"?

QuoteInstead of an actual "section" for LA why not just have an ongoing thread like this one (but nicer, helpful, and resourceful),...where people can come back and add different info at different times. -gamefreak


Go right ahead and start one. -nat
  

ok if you want to talk real LA stuff go here -> https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10096.0
and dont start bitchhhin about how it should be in the PCE section... :-"

Quote from: VestCunt on 07/19/2011, 03:43 AM1)  Make a shared forum for the SuperGrafx and Laseractive PAC-N10 misfits.

They're both extensions of the original PCE, so treating them separately makes about as much sense as making individual forums for HuCard only systems, CD-ROM² systems, SuperCD-ROM² systems, the Arcade CD-ROM², etc.

Quote from: VestCunt on 07/19/2011, 04:19 AMNat, as a moderator you tend to shoot down or ignore suggestions with which you disagree.  Of course you're going to argue your views, but how about a little "well, I disagree, but I'll present your points to Aaron" or "sounds silly, but let's do a poll"?

It's not like nat and Aaron sit out on the veranda nightly, sipping scotch and smoking cigars; so act like an adult, put together a game plan and e-mail it to Aaron yourself, then throw it on the ground.

Quote from: nat on 07/19/2011, 01:57 AMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is any SEGA or NEC branding or hardware on the system itself.

There's a variation made by NEC that does have the NEC branding on the system. It came with the NEC PAC as well.

nec_pce-ld1.jpg

Quote from: NecroPhile on 07/19/2011, 10:56 AM

Quote from: VestCunt on 07/19/2011, 04:19 AMNat, as a moderator you tend to shoot down or ignore suggestions with which you disagree.  Of course you're going to argue your views, but how about a little "well, I disagree, but I'll present your points to Aaron" or "sounds silly, but let's do a poll"?

It's not like nat and Aaron sit out on the veranda nightly, sipping scotch and smoking cigars; so act like an adult, put together a game plan and e-mail it to Aaron yourself, then throw it on the ground.

Yeah, I know.  What I'm objecting to is this definitive air of authority as if we've just been giving the final answer to the debate:

Quote from: nat on 07/16/2011, 05:02 PMIt will not be getting its own sub forum.

End of story.

What the hell?  There are three mods.  They were created primarily to keep up with the potty-mouthing. 

Nat's a great guy and I don't want to make this personal.  The mods have to deal with a lot of crap and I respect that.  I trust Nat's judgement when it comes to banning troublemakers and keeping a semblance civility around here, but acting like he can pull rank on global decisions is bogus.  While the mods don't sip wine with the boss on a veranda, but they do have occasional meetings and report goings-on, so there is a go-between function there.

Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 07/19/2011, 02:02 PM

Quote from: nat on 07/19/2011, 01:57 AMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is any SEGA or NEC branding or hardware on the system itself.

There's a variation made by NEC that does have the NEC branding on the system. It came with the NEC PAC as well.
nec_pce-ld1.jpg

Nat seems to be confused.  I don't think the real issue is the branding and logos.  He seems to think that the Laseractive only plays its own games and the NEC PAC only plays TG/PCE games.  In reality, there is a library of LD-ROM games that require the NEC-PAC, generate sprites from the NEC PAC's PC Engine architecture, can't be played on the standalone Laseractive.

Quote from: guest on 07/19/2011, 02:31 PM

Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 07/19/2011, 02:02 PM

Quote from: nat on 07/19/2011, 01:57 AMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is any SEGA or NEC branding or hardware on the system itself.

There's a variation made by NEC that does have the NEC branding on the system. It came with the NEC PAC as well.
nec_pce-ld1.jpg

Nat seems to be confused.  I don't think the real issue is the branding and logos.  He seems to think that the Laseractive only plays its own games and the NEC PAC only plays TG/PCE games.  In reality, there is a library of LD-ROM games that require the NEC-PAC, generate sprites from the NEC PAC's PC Engine architecture, can't be played on the standalone Laseractive.

I definitely didn't know that, and it does change my opinion on the situation.

Chris

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 07/19/2011, 03:09 PMI definitely didn't know that, and it does change my opinion on the situation.

Chris

Yep, there's a handful of LD-ROM2 games out there that use the NEC PAC (PC Engine hardware) to run it.

The Sega PAC does the same thing, it's using the Genny/Sega CD hardware to run all the graphics and logic while background or accompanying video is run through the LD player.

I can't find any numbers on the amount of LD-Rom2 games out there... Only that there were 3 "US" LD-Rom2 games released.

As such, it's not like a laseractive or sgx board will have that much discussion due to the size of their respective libraries.  The main value of would be to use it like an archive to make it easier to find things like video playthroughs of Vajra or the thread on the SGX R-Type hack.

Quote from: td741 on 07/19/2011, 03:45 PMI can't find any numbers on the amount of LD-Rom2 games out there... Only that there were 3 "US" LD-Rom2 games released.

As such, it's not like a laseractive or sgx board will have that much discussion due to the size of their respective libraries.  The main value of would be to use it like an archive to make it easier to find things like video playthroughs of an Vajra or the thread on the SGX R-Type hack.

11 total.

Quote from: nat on 07/16/2011, 05:02 PMSomehow I missed this topic until now, so let me clarify a few things.

1) The shoutbox is unmoderated, for better or worse. Anything goes, unless you're Nintega, in which case you get your ass thrown right out.

End of story.

So in other words, turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, Opethian, and all the other self-appointed moderators can go eat shit? Okay. :)

I love when you fucks just make shit up...like I never talk about Turbo-Grafx or anything. Me and Tatsujin have hour long fapfests to Shadow of the Beast, Sapphire, and Super Darius 2 music. Feel free to join in ^.^

I've never, not even once tried to tell people what they can and cannot talk about, nice try necrophile. It is, however, rather annoying when I go to take a shit and I come back and read the shoutbox and there's 3 pages of turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, and Opethian bashing me. Glad to see their consistent undying efforts to keep conversation Turbo-related.

Opethian makes no sense, either. He throws a pissy fit when we talk about NUON and other obscure consoles yet he sits there fapping for hours about FM Towns and whatever obscure shit consoles nobody has ever heard of that he likes.

And I do enjoy nectarsis' hour-long fits of drunken stupor, filled with unbridled rage and typing errors. It entertains me so :)

Quote from: Saibot on 07/19/2011, 05:30 PM

Quote from: nat on 07/16/2011, 05:02 PMSomehow I missed this topic until now, so let me clarify a few things.

1) The shoutbox is unmoderated, for better or worse. Anything goes, unless you're Nintega, in which case you get your ass thrown right out.

End of story.

So in other words, turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, Opethian, and all the other self-appointed moderators can go eat shit? Okay. :)

I love when you fucks just make shit up...like I never talk about Turbo-Grafx or anything. Me and Tatsujin have hour long fapfests to Shadow of the Beast, Sapphire, and Super Darius 2 music. Feel free to join in ^.^

I've never, not even once tried to tell people what they can and cannot talk about, nice try necrophile. It is, however, rather annoying when I go to take a shit and I come back and read the shoutbox and there's 3 pages of turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, and Opethian bashing me. Glad to see their consistent undying efforts to keep conversation Turbo-related.

Opethian makes no sense, either. He throws a pissy fit when we talk about NUON and other obscure consoles yet he sits there fapping for hours about FM Towns and whatever obscure shit consoles nobody has ever heard of that he likes.

And I do enjoy nectarsis' hour-long fits of drunken stupor, filled with unbridled rage and typing errors. It entertains me so :)

Don't forget your enjoyment over my hit-japan story lol.

Quote from: Saibot on 07/19/2011, 05:30 PMSo in other words, turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, Opethian, and all the other self-appointed moderators can go eat shit? Okay. :)

I love when you fucks just make shit up...like I never talk about Turbo-Grafx or anything. Me and Tatsujin have hour long fapfests to Shadow of the Beast, Sapphire, and Super Darius 2 music. Feel free to join in ^.^

I've never, not even once tried to tell people what they can and cannot talk about, nice try necrophile. It is, however, rather annoying when I go to take a shit and I come back and read the shoutbox and there's 3 pages of turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, and Opethian bashing me. Glad to see their consistent undying efforts to keep conversation Turbo-related.

Opethian makes no sense, either. He throws a pissy fit when we talk about NUON and other obscure consoles yet he sits there fapping for hours about FM Towns and whatever obscure shit consoles nobody has ever heard of that he likes.

And I do enjoy nectarsis' hour-long fits of drunken stupor, filled with unbridled rage and typing errors. It entertains me so :)

What's this have to do with the LaserActive and its proposed sub-forum?

LOL, and for the record, I never talk about NUON. Everybody else brings up NUON, it's not my fault there's like 6 people on here that own a NUON, and they ask me questions and stuff. I don't want to ignore them, that would be most rude :)

THEY SHOULD ALL BE BANNT!!11111111111

TALK TURBO OR GTFO!!! FUCK YEA

Sabot, please go play in traffic.

So anyway, if we have a Laseractive subsection, are we going to have one for the US version and one for the JP version?

End of joke.

I'm amazed that this thread hasnt been locked up yet....  Or at least moved to fighting street.

Quote from: Saibot on 07/19/2011, 05:30 PM

Quote from: nat on 07/16/2011, 05:02 PMSomehow I missed this topic until now, so let me clarify a few things.

1) The shoutbox is unmoderated, for better or worse. Anything goes, unless you're Nintega, in which case you get your ass thrown right out.

End of story.

So in other words, turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, Opethian, and all the other self-appointed moderators can go eat shit? Okay. :)

I love when you fucks just make shit up...like I never talk about Turbo-Grafx or anything. Me and Tatsujin have hour long fapfests to Shadow of the Beast, Sapphire, and Super Darius 2 music. Feel free to join in ^.^

I've never, not even once tried to tell people what they can and cannot talk about, nice try necrophile. It is, however, rather annoying when I go to take a shit and I come back and read the shoutbox and there's 3 pages of turbogrfxfan, nectarsis, and Opethian bashing me. Glad to see their consistent undying efforts to keep conversation Turbo-related.

Opethian makes no sense, either. He throws a pissy fit when we talk about NUON and other obscure consoles yet he sits there fapping for hours about FM Towns and whatever obscure shit consoles nobody has ever heard of that he likes.

And I do enjoy nectarsis' hour-long fits of drunken stupor, filled with unbridled rage and typing errors. It entertains me so :)

Can you seriously not fucking read nat's warning well before this post (and your next)??  Seriously the slander is getting old Greg.  We never claimed we were mods so TRY and follow what we type for once.  Plus the "drunken" BS/typos is old...especially for someone that beats the  SAME dead horse like he's funny/unique.  You act more and more like Ninny every day...great company to be in.

Sai. In those three pages you left one key person out of it and that is you.

Some people have made some really good points regarding how the Laseractive is indeed a NEC console, at least in some regard.  To me the most obvious comparison is the Super Grafx, which is also backward compatible with old media and has a tiny library (smaller than the Laseractive's library that uses NEC capabilities, ironically).  Furthermore, each of these system were released at a poor time and were soon to be obsolete to consumers with technology that was roughly a year away.  The Super Grafx had to compete with the SNES and the Laseractive had to compete with the PSX (obviously the discrepancy with the Laseractive tech might be a bit more glaring).

To play devil's advocate, the only real argument against the Laseractive in my opinion is that the Sega Pac has a significantly larger number of games in the Mega LD format than the NEC Pac has in the LD-Rom2 format.  The Sega Pac (from what I hear, with no real numbers to back this up) was by far the more successful Pac, which is why most of the games were released on this format.

Anyway, I am not a mod, and it seems that the mod has made up his mind, so pushing the issue might be irrelevant at this point.  It is just a shame that the reasoning behind not supporting a sub-forum was along the lines of we'd be opening the door to a SNES sub-forum, which is just out of touch and way off the mark.

It's a damn shame that the ultimate Laseractive resource that I've found is a website that has not been updated in several years.  http://www.cyberroach.com/new_laseractive_pics/default.htm  This website could get some good traffic if it were to become the leading resource for this NEC-ish system.

QuoteIt's a damn shame that the ultimate Laseractive resource that I've found is a website that has not been updated in several years.  http://www.cyberroach.com/new_laseractive_pics/default.htm  This website could get some good traffic if it were to become the leading resource for this NEC-ish system.

Keep this thread here alive -->  https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10096.0
Usually when you do a basic google search on NEC stuff, it will link to a specific thread on pcengine-fx.com website. So I don't think LA needs it's own section to give this website traffic. Just keep the above linked thread alive and full of useful info about the LA and people looking for info on LA will be linked to it through a basic web search.

This thread is closed after this response, and not because I feel the need to have the last word, but because of certain individuals failure to heed warnings. Said parties will take a one week vacation from the forum.

Quote from: guestWhat the hell?  There are three mods.  They were created primarily to keep up with the potty-mouthing. 

Nat's a great guy and I don't want to make this personal.  The mods have to deal with a lot of crap and I respect that.  I trust Nat's judgement when it comes to banning troublemakers and keeping a semblance civility around here, but acting like he can pull rank on global decisions is bogus.  While the mods don't sip wine with the boss on a veranda, but they do have occasional meetings and report goings-on, so there is a go-between function there.

Perhaps I was a little too assertive in my declaration there will be no LA subforum. You are correct in that all final decisions ultimately come down to Aaron and what he wants to do with the board. I have become comfortable taking liberties speaking on his behalf over the past few years on certain issues as his free time doesn't allow for constant involvement and monitoring of goings-on.

As you may or may not know, Aaron and I do know each other in "real" life, and we do get together occasionally to shoot the shit while sipping scotch and smoking cigars, as NecroPhile put it. I know he trusts my judgement, but perhaps I've become a little too comfortable. That said, I retract my statement that there never will be a LA subforum. I won't be making that call, but I'll say this... There probably won't be. At least not any time soon. I've made clear I think it's a poor idea, I think we have too many sub forums as it is. In my opinion, consoles like the LaserActive and SGX are not worthy of their own dedicated areas. There's just not enough to them, really. There's no reason LA discussion can't take place in the already existing PCE area. LA repair and mod-related threads can go in the Repair and Mod area. Someone made the point that creating a separate sub forum for the LA would be like creating a separate sub forum for the CoreGrafx, another for the Duo, etc, and I agree with this viewpoint.

All that said, regardless of my personal feelings on the subject I'll present the proposal to Aaron next time I see him.

QuoteAnyway, I am not a mod, and it seems that the mod has made up his mind, so pushing the issue might be irrelevant at this point.  It is just a shame that the reasoning behind not supporting a sub-forum was along the lines of we'd be opening the door to a SNES sub-forum, which is just out of touch and way off the mark.

The whole Genesis & SNES subforum thing was just a radical example of one possible scenario, not so much a realistic concern. My primary reason for opposing the creation of a separate LA area is that it's not really an NEC console in the strictest sense and we have too many (in my opinion) sub forums as it is.