PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 Reproduction HuCards/Cases for Sale!

[esteban]

The boxes look fantastic.

Truth.

[turbokon]

The boxes look fantastic.

Truth.

Hugs

[OldMan]

So you're saying that they stole the internal pcb design?

You do know that circuit design software will lay out the traces for you, don't you?
All you have to do is match the names.

(Btw: I believe its done via a layout program because of the way the traces look in the pictures. Human layout would have realized really quickly that there's a much more straightforward way to do it.)

[CrackTiger]

Is shubibinman just doing the equivalent of saying that anyone who 3D prints HuCard cases is stealing from Aaron or is there something I'm missing?

I understand people disliking the sale of repro games or repro carts like ichigobankai's, but he says that he and turbokon know some dirty secret.

[Duo_R]

Yikes. Well I bought a Magical Chase. I'm happy with it. I didn't really like the case until I saw it. I'm so stupid....I thought the cases were PSP size. Lol they are tiny but pretty cool and fit in with jewel case size.

[Duo_R]

Side note anyone have trouble with a game booting up?

[shubibiman]

I'm going to clarify some things I said.

About the boxes : I've been a little bit harsh. I don't like the choice of VHS-like boxes. I think it would have looked better with a cardboard box.

As for the repros, at first I thought it was aimed at delivering homebrewers a way to make some Hucard releases.

I honestly don't think it's a good idea to use it to sell "reissues". We'll soon face the same issue as with the "PCE memories" thing.

The only good thing with those is that they actually don't look like the real thing.

[wildfruit]

These cases look great. I don't think cardboard would be a good idea. Plastic is better for longevity.

[esteban]

These cases look great. I don't think cardboard would be a good idea. Plastic is better for longevity.

Indeed. Plastic boxes clean up nicely after decades-old flan is removed. Sadly, trying to remove flan from cardboard boxes will damage them.

[xcrement5x]

I'm going to clarify some things I said.

About the boxes : I've been a little bit harsh. I don't like the choice of VHS-like boxes. I think it would have looked better with a cardboard box.

As for the repros, at first I thought it was aimed at delivering homebrewers a way to make some Hucard releases.

I honestly don't think it's a good idea to use it to sell "reissues". We'll soon face the same issue as with the "PCE memories" thing.

The only good thing with those is that they actually don't look like the real thing.

For now...

I'm just waiting for someone to sell one to a local store that doesn't know any better for a huge sum of money and wait for the shitstorm there.

[Duo_R]

I'm going to clarify some things I said.

About the boxes : I've been a little bit harsh. I don't like the choice of VHS-like boxes. I think it would have looked better with a cardboard box.

As for the repros, at first I thought it was aimed at delivering homebrewers a way to make some Hucard releases.

I honestly don't think it's a good idea to use it to sell "reissues". We'll soon face the same issue as with the "PCE memories" thing.

The only good thing with those is that they actually don't look like the real thing.

For now...

I'm just waiting for someone to sell one to a local store that doesn't know any better for a huge sum of money and wait for the shitstorm there.

Is it the same store that is selling a Turbografx for $250? Maybe it's turbo karma? Lol

[turbokon]

Here is a quick demo of our 2-in-1  card.

[ToyMachine78]

My two cents, which is probably worth less, is everyone needs to get over the beef with pirating shit. You are pirating, it's a fucking free for all. Who gives a shit who does what. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Vote with your dollars and stop bitching.

Brought to you from the bat cave. Over and out.

[thesteve]

these dont look original intentionally
the goal was to undercut some of the crazy overpriced games, and try to kill off some of the demand
as far as trace routing, that was mostly done by hand
and yes i would love to have homebrew on these

[Duo_R]

Doesn't bother me until you make a Magical Chase bundle  with energy drinks and stickers for like $200

[OldMan]

as far as trace routing, that was mostly done by hand

You have more patience than I do.
I just turned the chip.

[thesteve]

the router was doing strange things, and couldnt seem to get all the pins routed due to the excessive routs it was using
the flex region mod was worse to route as its an extremely small board and auto was butchering it

[turbokon]

We already have bonknut permission to release megaman 1 & 2 on our cards.  We would love to be able to work with more homebrewers.

[NecroPhile]

Thoughts from the corn field -

Price:  $45 does seem kinda high for a boot, but only an idiot (or a frenchman) would say it's analogous to Tobias's situation.  Turbokon isn't acting like they're legitimate releases, he's not selling translations without permission, and his markup is much less even though he has actual work going into each unit.  What're the raw material costs?  Selling ~$10 in parts (plus labor) for $45 is nowhere near as bad as buying a $2 disc and selling it for $30-40.  If you don't like the price, don't buy; it's not going to drive away homebrewers or translators or otherwise effect you in any way.

Cart Design:  Unless turbokon's cards are using the exact same layout as ichigobankai's, I don't see how it's theft.  Neither is entirely original, using the same basic premise as original games, Chinese boots from back in the day, etc.

Packaging:  I don't particularly care for the cases, as I'd much rather have an original style case, but I'd hardly say they look like crap.... and I sure as shit ain't going to bitch about price while advocating for a pricey and less durable cardboard box.

Repros vs. Homebrew Only:  Only naive, foolish, and/or mildly retarded people would confuse these for originals, so who cares?  Except for Tom's MegaMan, every single pic I've seen of ichigobankai's hueys (any version) has been repros of commercial games as well, but that must be okay because he's french or something.

[shubibiman]

The thing is that Ichigo doesn't sell his cards with games in them. And he sold them for about 2$ each. Every buyer is free to install the game he wants. That's a pretty big different, isn't it ?

Of course, I guess you've decided that as a Frenchman I'll be wrong whatever I say. But mark my words : one day or another, these repros will be sold as "reissues" with a much higher price tag (even if not by Turbokon). I was really naive back in 2005 when I bought repros of Sapphire to Tobias.

Anyway...

[turbokon]

The thing is that Ichigo doesn't sell his cards with games in them. And he sold them for about 2$ each. Every buyer is free to install the game he wants. That's a pretty big different, isn't it ?

Of course, I guess you've decided that as a Frenchman I'll be wrong whatever I say. But mark my words : one day or another, these repros will be sold as "reissues" with a much higher price tag (even if not by Turbokon). I was really naive back in 2005 when I bought repros of Sapphire to Tobias.

Anyway...

$2 each just for the card.  A little more for the black card.  Doesn't include the eeprom and the back mask neither.  Yeah pretty big difference I would say...

The true scambags are those that will try to resell these at a way higher price.  There is always is.  In fact we already catch one guy trying to and that person has already been blacklist.  One way we can combat this kind of thing is to flood the market.

[shubibiman]

 

[NightWolve]

Ok Turbokon. So you just steal someone else's work and then you sell fake games 45$. Do you have the licence for that or are you just gonna be one of those "PCE memories" scumbags ?

Oh snap! Had to happen sooner or later in this thread!

The true scambags are those that will try to resell these at a way higher price.  There is always is.  In fact we already catch one guy trying to and that person has already been blacklist.  One way we can combat this kind of thing is to flood the market.

Oh wow, you had a crazed reseller in the group just waiting to snatch one up! Impressive!!! No time wasted whatsoever!

So from $45, buy low, to $1,500, sell high... Heh.

[NecroPhile]

The thing is that Ichigo doesn't sell his cards with games in them.

Regardless, they're marketed as a way to make repros.  The risk of them being sold as originals is the same.

And he sold them for about 2$ each..... That's a pretty big different, isn't it?

Not here he didn't.  They're $3.80 - $8 each depending on color, quantity, and eeprom.

In any case, his price is only drastically cheaper on the surface.  Once you factor in the cost of paying someone to assemble the card, flash it, provide a case, etc., the differential is much smaller.

Every buyer is free to install the game he wants.

And Turbokon will burn whatever game you want, so I fail to see your point.  Either way, boots of commercial games are going to be made far more often than copies of Santalantean, Tongueman's Logic, etc.

Of course, I guess you've decided that as a Frenchman I'll be wrong whatever I say.

True, but in this case you're doubly wrong because you're reasoning is illogical and seemingly biased.

But mark my words : one day or another, these repros will be sold as "reissues" with a much higher price tag (even if not by Turbokon). I was really naive back in 2005 when I bought repros of Sapphire to Tobias.

I'm sure they will be (as will ichigobankai's), but how is that Turbokon's fault?  Are Sparky, Jodi, etc. assholes because people have used their repro goods to net better prices?  Or how 'bout BMW and Bernie?  I'm sure it's their fault that a few jerks took their nigh free booties and flipped them for 10x as much, right?

[shubibiman]

So if all this is OK, then I guess there will be no more whining about Tobias' "PCE works" ?

You don't have money to play Magical Chase on real hardware ? Get yourself a flashcard and don't try to pretend you own a "rarez" game.

As I've already said : these repros are perfect for homebrewers.

You say my reasoning is illogical. What I say is : whatever you do in terms of "repros", it will always end up like in that ebay listing. Repros always end up with stories of scambags trying to gouge buyers. I don't say it's Turbokon's fault but if you want the PCE scene to become as messy and full of bullcrap as the Neogeo scene, then ok; that's up to you.

But next time you criticise "PCE works", I'll be pleased to remind you what you're saying now about these repros.

[CrackTiger]

So if all this is OK, then I guess there will be no more whining about Tobias' "PCE works" ?

You don't have money to play Magical Chase on real hardware ? Get yourself a flashcard and don't try to pretend you own a "rarez" game.

As I've already said : these repros are perfect for homebrewers.

You say my reasoning is illogical. What I say is : whatever you do in terms of "repros", it will always end up like in that ebay listing. Repros always end up with stories of scambags trying to gouge buyers. I don't say it's Turbokon's fault but if you want the PCE scene to become as messy and full of bullcrap as the Neogeo scene, then ok; that's up to you.

But next time you criticise "PCE works", I'll be pleased to remind you what you're saying now about these repros.

I agree with the principles of many of your points, but you've yet to be critical of ichigobankai, who made many bootlegs and facilitated the existence of lots of bootlegs with his product that he markets for that very reason. You posted some of his pirated games yourself as "the real" bootlegs.

As I've said, these are not for me, but I may be interested in having some homebrew copies made in the future for the novelty of it. As long as the authors are cool with it.

Tobias has a long history of scams and various actiobs which have offended different people in different ways. If you read any discussions about him on here, you'll slways find people saying how what he's doing would be fine... if it weren't for all of thise ither issues.
.
Maybe these bootlegs will run into similar probkems. They've already offended you quite a bit.

[Warhol]

+1 Shubi

What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.

So we have to consider both the same way.

[NecroPhile]

So if all this is OK, then I guess there will be no more whining about Tobias' "PCE works" ?
.....
But next time you criticise "PCE works", I'll be pleased to remind you what you're saying now about these repros.

As I've already said, there's more to hating Tobias than just his prices.  If you have to ignore his lies and the damage he's done to the translation scene to make your argument, you've got nothing.

You say my reasoning is illogical. What I say is : whatever you do in terms of "repros", it will always end up like in that ebay listing. Repros always end up with stories of scambags trying to gouge buyers. I don't say it's Turbokon's fault but if you want the PCE scene to become as messy and full of bullcrap as the Neogeo scene, then ok; that's up to you.

And I again ask: why are you giving a free pass to ichigobankai and his "true, genuine repro hucards" (whatever that means).  Is it just because he's French?  We both know that almost all of his hueys will be made into repros, causing just as much harm to the PCE scene as anything else.

[turbokon]

+1 Shubi

What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.

So we have to consider both the same way.

Now this is funny, rolling on laughing floor.

[shubibiman]

As I've already said, there's more to hating Tobias than just his prices.  If you have to ignore his lies and the damage he's done to the translation scene to make your argument, you've got nothing.

Well, I don't ignore that. I perfectly know what Tobias has done to the translation scene. I personnally have translated a few PCE games and I'd be really pissed off to see someone make money out of a work I've done for free.

Kudos to Turbokon for asking Bonknuts the authorization to produce repros of some of his work. But still, if Turbokon was to sell them 45$ each, that'd still be making money out of someone else's work. I wouldn't believe you if you told me that you're not making profit by selling repros 45$ each.
 

And I again ask: why are you giving a free pass to ichigobankai and his "true, genuine repro hucards" (whatever that means).  Is it just because he's French?  We both know that almost all of his hueys will be made into repros, causing just as much harm to the PCE scene as anything else.

I'm not giving a free pass to Ichogobankai. To me, there's a huge difference between creating something from scratch and borrowing someone else's work, even if you need the skill and knowledge to be able to upgrade it.

Ichigobankai is not making any profit by selling his hucards. The pictures I've shown are not pictures that have been sold in the wild for, say, 45$.

Moreover, even if Turbokon's cards don't look like the real thing, they're really much closer.

And yeah, there's a big difference between selling cards with nothing on them 2$ and selling repros 45$. I guess it's a kind of cultural gap.

But I really want to remind that I'd be very pleased to buy some obey homebrew for 50 or even 60$ if it was to be released on such cards (even in a VHS looking box  ).

[NightWolve]

+1 Shubi

What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.

So we have to consider both the same way.

Already answered numerous times here and by many others! The list would go something like this:

* Slapping fan work on his pressings without permission/inclusion.
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.0

* "Tobias [PCEWorks] and the making of 'Sapphire-Gate...'"
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.msg432658#msg432658

* "Hating Tobias but loving Turbokon? HEY, DURRR, I SMELL HYPOCRISY!!! NOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE TOBIAS ALONE, WE CAN OPENLY LOVE PCEWORKS STUFF HERE!!!111 YAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!"
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20919.msg456014#msg456014

To claim "none" is to falsely distort/miscast opposition/hate to Tobias as a person, his history, versus opposition/hate to bootlegs/repros in general. It's childish and dishonest. Just because you like Tobias' repros and you have a grudge with everybody that hates him, it doesn't mean you get to exploit turbokon to somehow provide cover against future criticism of Tobias by making false/blind comparisons...

[CrackTiger]

+1 Shubi

What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.

So we have to consider both the same way.

Do you get all of your info from youtube?

[turbokon]

+1 Shubi

What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.

So we have to consider both the same way.

Correction when it's written as "turbo con" means "very very dumb".

[turbokon]

+1 Shubi

What's the difference betwen the Turbokon - which mean "very very dumb in french", funny coincidence? - 's Magical Chase and the PCE Memories Dracula X? None.

So we have to consider both the same way.

Already answered numerous times here and by many others! The list would go something like this:

* Slapping fan work on his pressings without permission/inclusion.
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.0

* "Tobias [PCEWorks] and the making of 'Sapphire-Gate...'"
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.msg432658#msg432658

* "Hating Tobias but loving Turbokon? HEY, DURRR, I SMELL HYPOCRISY!!! NOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE TOBIAS ALONE, WE CAN OPENLY LOVE PCEWORKS STUFF HERE!!!111 YAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!"
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20919.msg456014#msg456014

To claim "none" is to falsely distort/miscast opposition/hate to Tobias as a person, his history, versus opposition/hate to bootlegs/repros in general. It's childish and dishonest. Just because you like Tobias' repros and you have a grudge with everybody that hates him, it doesn't mean you get to exploit turbokon to somehow provide cover against future criticism of Tobias by making false/blind comparisons...

Didn't know there is a whole separate post.  Thanks for sharing.

[ToyMachine78]

Can we just accept piracy for what it is and leave folks alone? Its just like any other business, the market will determine proper prices and shit.

[shubibiman]

Zero_gamer> can we just accept piracy for what it is ? You mean : an illegal activity ? It's not just a normaｌbusiness.

Nightwolve > thanks for the links. I perfectly know what Tobias did and I'm not defending him if you ever thought that was the case.

My thoughts about piracy have always been consistant since 2005 : it does a lot of harm to video game fans. Whether you intentionnally flood the market with bootlegs or not, on ebay or on other marketplaces, it will always end up with the same result. We of course all agree that Tobias is the king of fucktards.

The truth is, there's already a fucktard that's trying to sell a Magical Chase repro for 1500$. Will he ever sell it ? I don't think so, but the harm is already done. Even if you produce dozens, hundreds or thousands of it, it will fuck up the market just as the Sapphire bootlegs did. And there's a lot of them ! Still, some of them sell for 100$ or more. There's nothing we can do about that, except NOT producing more bootlegs.

Well, after all I guess that customers should just be clever enough to make out what's an original copy or not.

It will be my last comment on this story as I feel I'm repeating myself.

[mickcris]

deleting this crap post. sorry

[turbokon]

Well we appreciated the mostly great response from the community.  For you others, I'm sorry you feel like that.  It is what it is and don't worry, I won't be losing sleep over it.

We got into this to make games like magical chase more affordable to masses. Most people appreciate what we're doing and that we thank you.

[NightWolve]

Would prefer to have been left out of this but I don't appreciate being mocked by you. You are just mad that Tobias stole your work.  You seem to feel it's OK to steal and sell other people's work as long as it's not yours.

I have no love for Tobias, his repros, or any repros and yes some of you are hypocrites.  Smoke monster got torn a new one for including roms on some Everdrives he was selling which is similar to this.

Too bad! You earned the mocking, so that's tough! You decided to enter this debate by exploiting support for turbokon/Steve versus hate of Tobias to levy a shoddy hypocrisy criticism (which you did again in this post) that reduces/removes history/context/nuances. It's an unjust simplification so you and others can pretend you have valid/fair comparisons. You don't get to tell people in the future to conveniently leave you out when you make stupid comments on here in other threads!

Now you wanna cry for and are butthurt about SmokeMonster (keeping tabs on who gets roasted here?), who got "torn a new one" NOT for what you say, but deliberate omission of information in his eBay listing which led to a $359 purchase by someone for something he could've bought for $79 plus $11-$20 in plastic. The fact that he threw in the ROM collection to up the value is totally a side related issue (I didn't care about that, take that up with those that did!), so pretending that was somehow the main reason he was criticized is a damn lie! That was wholly about getting ripped off, imagine later finding out you could buy TE from krik at $79, the ROM collection had little to do with it and I didn't even notice that till others did!

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=19095.msg415410#msg415410

Quote: "SmokeMonster is a predator of low-information big-spending fools and I also don't get why he wasted Tucci's time on the buddy deal for one flashcart from our group buy..."

That was classic reseller scamming relying on buyers [ignorance] not knowing the distributor (krik in this case) or wherever the source products were purchased from. I don't like to see it, and I stand by every damn word I wrote about him/the situation! The fact that you would try to defend him again in light of this says a lot about where you're coming from!

So once again, mickris, and these other guys here with grudges on our reseller criticism and whatever else is the source of their grudge, practice deliberate misinformation/simplification to make false comparisons at every turn to score points!

You are just mad that Tobias stole your work.  You seem to feel it's OK to steal and sell other people's work as long as it's not yours.

"RAWR, I got you! You see, I'm smart!!! Durrrrrr!" Once again, a simplistic, false reduction, a lie basically and self-neutralizing hypocrisy.

The situations are not as simplistic as you'd like them to be for the purposes of your argument.

1) Getting permission from the videogame developers/publishers equals a $10k-$15k license fee, the need for a Japanese/English translator to make the deal, and so it's likely never going to happen for the common Joe Schmoe Tobias, not without Kickstarter projects and the like (and it'd have to be a really good game for that to succeed)... Bootlegs would never happen if everyone believed you must get that paid license before doing so. That's assuming you could even reach the right people in the company!

2) There's technical legality, and then the morality of it. As bootlegs usually deal with abandonware games, the developers/publishers will have sold out of all/most copies, everybody already got paid, the programmers, the publishers, etc. They made most/all of the money they're ever going to make for the now defunct/orphaned console platform. So, what is the level of moral harm for unlicensed reprints of manuals, games, etc. for abandoned consoles when they can be downloaded every day for free on the Internet right now ?? Very little to none. And that rationale is why bootlegs are made and why a Tobias doesn't bootleg a new PS4 game or what you have.

3) The difference between me, or any other fan translation team, is: I/we didn't get paid for anything, I wouldn't demand a $10-$15k license fee for a reprint, you don't need a Japanese/English translator to talk business with me, my email has always been available so YOU COULD reasonably contact me before taking my work and slapping it on your reprint for your bootleg business... Not that I'd be willingly on board in Tobias' case given Sapphire-Gate, him being a lying fraudster, etc.

So yes, you essentially compare the mostly impossible, getting a license from the Japanese company, versus the possible, getting permission from the fan translation team as an excuse for Tobias and other bootleggers to not bother getting permission from ANYBODY (hey, just don't bother!) so he can get to pocket 100% of the net earnings! He appreciates your argument BTW, the "just f--k it" aspect of it... And nothing original about it, you and other crybabies who feel guilty use this argument to defend the slapping of fan work on reprints, I've heard/seen it before on the Facebook groups.

4) You're your own self-neutralizing hypocrite if you ever downloaded music/games/movies/software, and you seem to feel it's OK to steal other people's work, as long as it's not yours and as long as it's stolen for free and not resold in plastic... That is, unless you wanna lie, here and now, and claim that your hands are clean, and that you've never downloaded anything illegal/unlicensed, ROMs or whatever, etc... You might as well add more lying to your record, you already have, chief!

5) Of course I'm gonna have more of a connection to my own work, my usage terms violated, as opposed to some far off company in Japan that SOLD OUT copies of the games in question and no longer deals with or cares about the defunct console platform they were made for... They have bigger concerns, if at all, and that is the pirating networks which distribute the games by the millions daily, and 500 new pieces of plastic doesn't come close to be worth caring about when you can't shutdown the daily pirating!

Anyway, it's not even about protecting the company's "potential" reprinting and reprofitting on retro games for you [which is not going to happen], what you want is just to childishly neutralize reseller critics here via an overplayed and shoddy hypocrisy angle given your grudge... I'm not really buying your denials about Tobias either, which are done for the sake of credibility in your argument...

[mickcris]

deleting this crap post. sorry

[shubibiman]

We got into this to make games like magical chase more affordable to masses.

Masses can play Magical Chase thanks to emulation for free anyway, so you're not some kind of Robinhood.

[turbokon]

We got into this to make games like magical chase more affordable to masses.

Masses can play Magical Chase thanks to emulation for free anyway, so you're not some kind of Robinhood.

Emulation, everdrive, blah blah, heard it all before.  There are multiple ways for people to enjoy retro gamings.  It all depends on people preference....  I myself prefer playing on real hardwares and myself own several everdrives.    The everdrive while great doesn't quite replicate the feeling of the originals as well as our repro hucards.  Like most people, I prefer the originals if I could afford them.  And btw, thanks for polluting our sales thread with your runt.

[NightWolve]

you think this is ok while others see it differently.  You are not going to change my mind and im not going to change yours.

Sounds hardheaded.

Its just surprising having had your stuff taken and sold that you feel the way you do when it happens to other people.  You seem to think you are some kind of authority on whats ok to bootleg and what isn't.

I don't "seem" to think I'm some kind of "authority" (I could selectively say the same about you!) - I'm just me, and I explained the rationale/thinking on why the letter of the law is not followed when it comes to bootlegs. I also explained the differences/nuisances, in one case, it's practically impossible to get the permission from the Japanese company, but for a fan team, it's perfectly possible to do so... If you just glossed over the explanation, you care more about your grudge and continuing with a shoddy hypocrisy angle pretending the cases are an exact match morally. Or maybe it's just too much logic for you and went right over your head...

I'm naturally gonna have more of a connection to my own work, and speak out about it when it gets appropriated by a lying fraudster, as opposed to raging about piracy/bootlegs in general which is akin to pissing in the wind and would only make me hated across the Internet (I did, in fact, and AM hated for it)! If you wish to prove moral harm with unlicensed reprints of abandonware games, go ahead, try, but you didn't (and there's a reason why), you just went right back to a childish hypocrisy angle, which is all you're apparently good for.

Like i said in the other thread, I dont really care that much about  this but dont act like this is different than the PCE works CDs or someokemonster selling roms on an everdrive as its the same (just that was a better deal as these are just one or 2 roms on a cart).  I am not talking about the discs he tried to pawn off as real either, im just talking about the new pce works ones.  I dont have a grudge against anyone, just pointing out hypocrisy.  You seem to have lots of excuses as to why some things are ok and some are not.

You do care, but you don't care, you do care, but you don't care... Which is it ?

And you continue to be providing excuses as to why all of these people should be thought of almost exactly the same, once again! They're not! Try to wrap your brain around that instead of simplifying these cases for your shoddy hypocrisy angle which DOES have motivation in some form of grudge.

Notice, once again, even after I went to the trouble of pointing out his lying about SmokeMonster, he repeated his historical revisionism. SmokeMonster threw in the ROM collection (an afterthought!), yes, to up the value, but the fundamental criticism had nothing to do with that when it came to his auction. The TurboEverdrive can be bought for $79, the plastic, $11-$20, the ROM collection, downloaded for free, and a low-information big-spender was exploited for $359 given SmokeMonster's deliberate omissions in the listing! The overall source of anger was the ripoff, not the friggin' ROM collection!

mickcris is trying to revise the facts of what the anger was mainly about in order to force that case to fit his narrative.

I have downloaded free things before as im sure most have.  like most others, I do not try to sell it to other people though for a profit. 

Right, so you had your own hypocrisy problems as pointed out. But it's OK to step outside of that to make hypocritical points now and then, right ?

You had to come white knighting and call me out in here though.

One sentence of mocking, but of course you couldn't take it, and the only one that came in here white-knighting is you on SmokeMonster's behalf. He really wasn't worth it... You seem to keep tabs on resellers who got roasted on here for whatever reasons, then look for opportunities to throw it back in our face given the grudge you DO have, but say that you don't...

P.S. It's pretty warped he claims SmokeMonster's $359 TurboEverdrive with ROM collection was a "better deal" against turbokon's 1-game HuCards at $45, because the whole ROM collection was included (which you can download for free and normally buy the TE at $79!)! Amazing! It goes without saying the TurboEverdrive at $79 will ALWAYS be a better deal than individual unlicensed reprints of single games, duh! Some people actually want them, even with the existence of the TE. But exploiting this to score some defensive points for what SmokeMonster did is a joke!

Is SmokeMonster a buddy of his by chance ? Are there still other SmokeMonster partisans who feel he was "unjustly persecuted" for that auction I wonder ?? How about instead feeling pity for the dumb sucker who dropped $359 ? He's gotta live with that for the rest of his life from the day he runs into the retrogate shop...

[mickcris]

deleting this crap post. sorry

[NightWolve]

FYI, world doesn't revolve around what you were or weren't done with. Any comments made here in the past can be referred to in the present.

You are objectively white-knighting on SmokeMonster's behalf. And given the ROMs can be downloaded for free, the TE purchased directly STILL from the maker for $79, the plastic for $11-$20, it was exploitation of the ignorance of a low-information big-spender made possible by SmokeMonster's deliberate omissions in the eBay listing. As such, yes, it was an objective rip-off, that the buyer was willing to drop as much as $359 is only because of his/her ignorance having been preyed upon and it's sad to see.

If the TE was out-of-print, and crazed eBay reselling took over, THEN you could give us the ole speech about what something's worth is whatever somebody's willing to pay for it, supply/demand/etc., but not when you can still buy everything direct from the maker at a suggested retail price and get the rest for free!

The TE is also an unlicensed product BTW, thus it's technically illegal and should not exist unless krik was willing to contact NEC with a Japanese/English translator to obtain legal permission, etc. But I'm guessing you seem to think that's OK...

[NecroPhile]

Masses can play Magical Chase thanks to emulation for free anyway, so you're not some kind of Robinhood.

I thought you were done here. 

.... like I'm some kind of idiot for having a different opinion than you.

You're not an idiot for a differing opinion, you're an idiot for ignoring the fact that there are reasons beyond profit margins for people's Tobias hate.

[jlued686]

Man, Nightwolve, you are like the Olympic Gold Medalist of online arguing. It truly is a marvel.

[NightWolve]

Thank you, I try. ;)

You see what's happening here, he wants to be an "avenger" for what he feels were past PCEFX "unjust persecutions" of people we dislike/hate like Tobias and SmokeMonster (bootleggers/resellers), versus how we treat people we like such as turbokon/Steve who don't have lying fraud, forged documents, sins of omissions to pump up an auction, etc. on their records. He demands equal treatment of unequal cases/characters/tactics...

It's the same sort of complaint about how forum veterans/regulars are treated better versus newbies; of course I treat my friends and family better than some stranger on the street, hence why veteran forum members get more respect than somebody that just showed up here throwing his/her weight around...

[shubibiman]

Masses can play Magical Chase thanks to emulation for free anyway, so you're not some kind of Robinhood.

I thought you were done here. 

I just couldn't let that message unanswered.

[mickcris]

deleting this crap post. sorry