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[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

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[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Alrigght, it's been a while and now it's time for an update. I bought the 6 button Hori Fighting Commander PC and the issue is MUCH less prone to happen but sometimes it still does and yes it bugs me. To my surprise the if you have a controller with 3 buttons the game offers an optional directions layout with an actual button to jump instead of up on the D-pad and this pretty much eliminates the issue but that's really not the point. It should work regardless and like i said the original 2-button controllers don't even offer this option so it's still fucked up.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Yeah Zipang is really a rebranded Solomon no Kagi isn't it? I can imagine it being horrible to play with a d-pad that easily hits diagonals.

Hori Fighting Commander PC is a good 6-button controller with a cross-shaped d-pad.

Yeah it's like Solomon's Key but with different levels.

The D-pad definately looks more promising, i'll get one and see how it goes.

Your complaints don't sound like they are due to a mechanical error with the controller membranes, but rather a complaint about the functional design of the Duo/Turbo/PCE D-Pad. What is your opinion of the Master System pad, or Genesis/Mega Drive pad? I've always felt like my Turbo controller fell nicely between those two in terms of functionality. While not as glorious as the Genesis/Mega Drive controller, it was not nearly as bad as the master system DPad.

If you have an issue with the circular nature of the Duo/Turbo/PCE pad, I would certainly suggest trying the Hori fighting commander 6 pad. I picked one up not too long ago, and it responds almost identically like my SNES pads.

That being said, I really do feel like using a the Hori Fighting Commander pad contributes to the loss of the authenticity and nostalgia "feel" factor I associate with playing these old game systems. Like using a Genesis/Mega Drive controller to play 2600 Missile Command instead of using the Atari joystick - or in arcade with a track ball - the feel of the controller is a large part of my enjoyment of a system. Might as well play it on a keyboard with an emulator, if feel and authenticity is not a factor lol

I never tried Master System but it's funny you should mention Genesis because i have the exact same issue with that one. I bought a brand new one and the issue STILL remained, hell it felt even more unprecise than my used condition one. The former has white markings around the buttons and the latter red. It depressed the fuck out of me and i haven't played the Genesis for a good while now.

You hit the nail straight on the head. I want to play with the original controller and the first version at that if there are multiple because that's what the games were created with in mind and the authenticity of it but sometimes the situation is just set up in a bad way. It's a real shame that it has to be that way.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Yeah Zipang is really a rebranded Solomon no Kagi isn't it? I can imagine it being horrible to play with a d-pad that easily hits diagonals.

Hori Fighting Commander PC is a good 6-button controller with a cross-shaped d-pad.

Yeah it's like Solomon's Key but with different levels.

The D-pad definately looks more promising, i'll get one and see how it goes.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Maybe it's not the controller then. PCE controllers have quite good d-pads but sometimes I accidentally hit diagonals on them due to the shape of the d-pad. In Dracula X I'm sometimes accidentally using special weapons when I'm trying to use the whip due to this.

I'd recommend a Hori controller with a Nintendo-style cross-pad, but I guess you need an adapter for that since you have an USA duo.

But of course it's possible both pads are faulty.

Yeah it happens to me too on Dracula X but this game Zipang uses "up" for jumping so it can't even be played properly. This shit shouldn't be happening at all.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Time for an update. Haven't done anything Duo-related for a while. I bought a TG16 controller that was supposedly brand new and a controller adapter to make it fit on my DUO and that same fucking issue as before still remains. This one felt more soft and "mushy" on the the D-pad directions, barely any resistance to it and the right direction in particular just feeling awkward as fuck, i think people can relate. It's very possible that i got fucked over.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Is Duo's CD driver supposed to load this slow?]

It may be time for an update. The time it takes for Rondo of Blood isn't 5 seconds but apparently 7, altough consistent. However once or twice it has happened to me that the screen freezes altogether and i have to start all over.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

I don't want to delve into any technical modifications. It's not an area i have knowledge about.

I'm not butting heads with anyone but merely pointing out that he shouldn't write in my threads to complain about the topics i start, wich is true.

I do like how minimalistic that site's layout looks. From what i can see it looks pretty inactive but yeah i guess i could join.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

I don't know what the fuck to do. It feels ridiculous sorting out games based on what will work properly or not instead of good vs bad.

buy a new turbo pad already and raffle off your old janky one. Or keep it and let friends use it when playing competitive two player games.

seriously... a controller is cheap to replace. Don't judge a console's library based on a bad controller.

Yeah i've thought about it. But the ones i can find on Ebay are neither plentiful nor cheap. And also they're Japanese and the controller plug is supposedly different and won't fit?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

I don't know what the fuck to do. It feels ridiculous sorting out games based on what will work properly or not instead of good vs bad.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

I don't want to go that far. If something was due to dirt it should've already been solved by the isopropyl.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Yes, and not a single one is inviting you to share your personal opinion about me. Just move along to what you do want to discuss if you don't have anything to add here. Don't derail my topic with this kind of bullshit.

Comrade, it's OK.

Everyone has given you excellent advice. I was hoping you would have reported back already to tell us what worked!

Now, who are you?

Well actually i was waiting out on getting it confirmed that the isoprop could be used on the rubber aswell. Now i used it anyway. I assembled the controller maybe only half an hour after that (and maybe a little less), but i think it's alright anyway.

What worked? I can't say i noticed anything. But then again i don't know if it's supposed to be like that to begin with or what wear may have of an affect on the matter.

I'd really like to see others play the same game and if something would've been different.

A 23 year old guy from Sweden.

Comrade!

I know you were worried about choosing the best method to fix the controller. You did not want to rush into it and potentially make a mistake.

However, just use your common sense:
(1) Fixing things is always, ALWAYS, a process of trial-and-error
(2) So, try something, then report back with the results
(3) Try a different approach
(4) Report back the results.



Also, we have a very small community here...so don't worry about a thread getting derailed...the only time a thread is *truly* derailed is when there is a battle between members who do not like each other.

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Back on topic:

Use common sense when fixing things. For example, if you have never used acetone* before, maybe you should try other methods first. Maybe you shouldn't even use acetone, ever. If you are afraid to try something (for example, using sandpaper), then research the technique first.

GENERAL RULE: Try the simpler, less risky methods first. Often, they work and you don't have to worry about a more "serious" solution.



*I would never use acetone. I joke about it, but I would never actually use it.

What other metods? There's only so much that can be done. I used a legitimate cleaning substance and it didn't work so the issue has lay elsewhere.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Yes, and not a single one is inviting you to share your personal opinion about me. Just move along to what you do want to discuss if you don't have anything to add here. Don't derail my topic with this kind of bullshit.

Comrade, it's OK.

Everyone has given you excellent advice. I was hoping you would have reported back already to tell us what worked!

Now, who are you?

Well actually i was waiting out on getting it confirmed that the isoprop could be used on the rubber aswell. Now i used it anyway. I assembled the controller maybe only half an hour after that (and maybe a little less), but i think it's alright anyway.

What worked? I can't say i noticed anything. But then again i don't know if it's supposed to be like that to begin with or what wear may have of an affect on the matter.

I'd really like to see others play the same game and if something would've been different.

A 23 year old guy from Sweden.

Great intro 23 yo guy from Sweden! I feel like were brothers from another mother already.

I don't know what to say.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Yes, and not a single one is inviting you to share your personal opinion about me. Just move along to what you do want to discuss if you don't have anything to add here. Don't derail my topic with this kind of bullshit.

Comrade, it's OK.

Everyone has given you excellent advice. I was hoping you would have reported back already to tell us what worked!

Now, who are you?

Well actually i was waiting out on getting it confirmed that the isoprop could be used on the rubber aswell. Now i used it anyway. I assembled the controller maybe only half an hour after that (and maybe a little less), but i think it's alright anyway.

What worked? I can't say i noticed anything. But then again i don't know if it's supposed to be like that to begin with or what wear may have of an affect on the matter.

I'd really like to see others play the same game and if something would've been different.

A 23 year old guy from Sweden.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Rondo of Blood Thread]

One thing that caught my attention is the level 4 boss Camilla in her human form being this "dangerous seduction". Now when you play with Richter that does make sense but if you're using Maria instead that's a little 12 year old girl that she's making out with LOL!

Not that i feel any moral indignation or anything but i just find it funny like that.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Yes, and not a single one is inviting you to share your personal opinion about me. Just move along to what you do want to discuss if you don't have anything to add here. Don't derail my topic with this kind of bullshit.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Alright, i made a thread like this before in the PCE section but since it's only the game in question that's Japanese it might fit better here.

The issue i'm having is the command registering as up when i press left due to a "tilting effect" on the controller, making it very unreliable to play with. It's so fucking sensitive that i have to sit there and consciously press/hold it down in a very light manner at wich point it won't register but there's just no way to keep that in mind while having to make instant decisions. I don't know if that's just the way the controller is supposed to be or if i'm doing something wrong but it really bums me out.

The game is called Zipang. Occasionally it will happen in Castlevania: Rondo of Blood aswell where i use the suibweapon when i only want to do a regular attack but i feel like i have better control of that.

Surely i can't be the only one having this type of issue that's exactly how it feels

Yer kind of needy.

Meaning what? Do you have anything to say about the issue?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

I see, altough i wouldn't feel comfortable about doing that on anything other than plastic.

What about the topic? Have you experienced the same shit and if so, did cleaning fix it? I'm inclined to believe that it's really more about wear & tear over the years than anything else.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Just a quick question: should i clean the pieces of rubber with the liquid aswell or just the contacts on the PCB?

On another note, flipping the piece with the rubbers did not work. First of all the piece has two holes that keep it on the controller and if you flip it it will only fit in one of them and stay on somewhat unstable but more importantly it prevents the top and bottom of the controller to close. I tried the functionality itself (not with the system on) by simply holding the PCB as the bottom but the D-pad was all around ridiculously loose and floaty in a way that it can't be used for gameplay.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

I haven't tried that yet. I wanted to see if others had the same problem and get it confirmed what it's about before getting into anything. Also i have to wait until tomorrow to buy the right screwdriver.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Yeah you're right.

Perhaps a moderator could re-locate it?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Duo controller D-pad feels too trigger sensitive causing unintentional commands]

Alright, i made a thread like this before in the PCE section but since it's only the game in question that's Japanese it might fit better here.

The issue i'm having is the command registering as up when i press left due to a "tilting effect" on the controller, making it very unreliable to play with. It's so fucking sensitive that i have to sit there and consciously press/hold it down in a very light manner at wich point it won't register but there's just no way to keep that in mind while having to make instant decisions. I don't know if that's just the way the controller is supposed to be or if i'm doing something wrong but it really bums me out.

The game is called Zipang. Occasionally it will happen in Castlevania: Rondo of Blood aswell where i use the suibweapon when i only want to do a regular attack but i feel like i have better control of that.

Surely i can't be the only one having this type of issue that's exactly how it feels

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / D-pad not working properly with the game Zipang (mostly)]

It's a game in the same style as Solomon's Key, building and destroying blocks etc. You jump by pressing up but the thing is it happens unintentionally when i push the arrow to go left aswell. Not right. I press the button the same way when i want to go in that direction without any problems.

It's really fucking annoying because i'm barely putting any pressure. I can't play this fucking with this shit going simultanioniously so what should i do?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: What Turbo game are you currently playing?]

Castlevania: Rondo of Blood. Will continue tomorrow.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Is Duo's CD driver supposed to load this slow?]

I've been meaning to do that for about 15 years now.

That's my thinking too. The DD2 isos floating around the net load super slow probably because they are imperfect copies. Same with Drac X, a lot of bad isos out there.

Seriously, what is "DD" or "DD2"? Didn't you punks go to school? Abreviations are fine, but the first time you use the thing you want to abbreviate, use the entire thing. Abreviate as much as you want afterwards. In legal matters this is known as "letting people know what the fuck (WTF) you are talking about."

Regardless, there is really no reason for bad images of PCE games to continue to circulate. Those should have been weeded out years ago. Learn how to pirate shit, if this is the case. I wouldn't assume it was a bad image though, it's most likely a bad burn combined with a very tired drive manufactured before the existence of the CDR as we now know it.

It's Double Dragon 2 man, Jesus Christ. Granted the game is not as profilic on the PCE-CD as the NES versions but still.

The games are original and in immaculate condition so it can't be that but whenever that black screens appears and i hear that buzzing sound from the reader i'm bugging the fuck out and expecting the worst (that it won't start at all).

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Is Duo's CD driver supposed to load this slow?]

2-3 seconds tops. None.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Is Duo's CD driver supposed to load this slow?]

What about your loadtimes, does it happen on some games that it takes as long as mine?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Is Duo's CD driver supposed to load this slow?]

Atfter every single level, 5-10 seconds? DD2 especially felt like it was taking forever while Cstöevania: Rondo of Blood somewhat less but stilll pretty long. All the cutscenes and music work as they're supposed and the caps have been recently changed so i don't that's the issue.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Hu feels sticky and the protector has a strong plastic smell]

So would you guys say it's inevitable?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Hu feels sticky and the protector has a strong plastic smell]

Is this supposed to be funny?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Hu feels sticky and the protector has a strong plastic smell]

I would toss the sleeve and wash the HuCard with dish soap and a sponge. Make sure to thoroughly rinse and immediately towel dry it afterward.
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It happened after opening a brand new game. Is that all good or should i be worried? The back of the card also has these "prints" on the back with a texture different from the actual plastic.

Possibly it was exposed to alot of heat. Does the game still work?

Yes it works fine. I couldn't really say if it was exposed to heat though or anything else.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Hu feels sticky and the protector has a strong plastic smell]

It happened after opening a brand new game. Is that all good or should i be worried? The back of the card also has these "prints" on the back with a texture different from the actual plastic.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will the Turbo Duo scratch CD's?]

I don't want to scratch anything so I never play.
I sit in front of my imaginary tv, pushing invisible buttons.
My wife somtimes wipe the yellow goo oozing from my mouth.
My kids often play a game of darts on the target they have drawn on my back.
And my dog growls when I stand up

I know it seems funny and paradoxal in that way that the bare minimum of it's application (playing as opposed to say opening and closing a NES cardboard box all the time) will decrease it's collectability but that's just the way it works.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Will the Turbo Duo scratch CD's?]

When they are what?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Will the Turbo Duo scratch CD's?]

Hi, it may seem like a stupid or pointless question but it keeps fucking with my mind so i'm gonna ask it anyway. I recently bought a highly regarded CD game and as a collector ofcourse that too factors in into the condition (the CD itself i mean). With Hu-cards i don't think it's a big issue but should i be getting separate CD's for gameplay? It's really a hassle that i'd rather skip but i don't know.

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

new caps should outlast the originals 20+years

So it does restore the sound quality too?

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

the music will fade, making the other sounds too loud
hard to tell without a test on another system

But that would be restored to along with the other problems i had? How long will it take before deteriorating after the fix?

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

the sound mixing does deteriorate, but the grafx not
currently no backlog (couple weeks here max)

I see. How do i know how much the sound has deteriorated at a certain point?

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

if the old caps are still there, it wont last long, as the caps drift and leak.
new caps in, and it should stay tuned for years

That's pretty durable, by that time it won't even get me frustrated. How much time would you need to put new ones in?

Also, i wonder if it's possible that aside from the sound and some cutscenes citting out that the actual graphics and music themselves have deteriorated in terms of quality (or is it just works or doesn't)?

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=8926.0 the guide

if you need it done for you myself, bluebmw, keithcourage and a few others can handle that for you

It's better for someone else to do it, i'd most likely just fuck it up. How long would it take if you did it? How long could i expect it to last before it starts to malfunction again?

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

yes, but may need a new laser.
often it just needs the pots adjusted

Where can i find someone to fix it for me (and how long can i expect it to hold after that)?

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

that sounds more like a laser/adjustment issue

Is it easily fixed?

[Console Repair/Mod Center / Re: REPAIR GUIDE - TurboDuo: Sound Fix]

The soundtrack for me doesn't sound scratchy or anything, but it does hower fade out in a certain level on riot zone. It came back after i died. Does this still fit the problem-description?

Also the little cutscene when you finish a level and the guy stabs a knife in the "Wanted"-picture just cuts off at some levels and it goes straight to the gameplay. What should i do?

Thank you!