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PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Your favourite games no one talks about.
Quote from: exodus on July 28, 2018, 12:05:41 AMI keep forgetting to get that game!! I'll pick it up this week maybeAKA Mizubaku Daibouken. Definitely in my top 5 or so PCE/TG16 platformers, and certainly bonus points for being more or less a full sidescrolling adventure of BUBBLE BOBBLE!
It's just a lovely port of a great game imho
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Your favourite games no one talks about.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Your favourite games no one talks about.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: TheClash603 on May 26, 2018, 11:09:50 AMMost everyone loves the music in Doom... so you're welcome, nice track!DOOM is life. They don't call me Fragmare for nothin. ;) And yes, the DOOM OST is legendary
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: guest on March 18, 2018, 03:45:15 PMWould you be able to re-upload the roms for your chiptunes? I'm missing most of them as I've been watching the videos on youtube for the most part.Heeeeeeeeere ya go. It's a ZIP file with all the most current HES ROMs of these tunes
https://mega.nz/#!zaYWVbiT!ya1Flol6wgEdJ9r03vVyn93gUrdkTHjVXq--fFMzScUQuote from: TheClash603 on May 25, 2018, 11:13:43 PMThat sounds like it could be in Doom.Haha... thanks ?
Quote from: Gredler on January 18, 2018, 08:26:10 PMIt's just a quick and easy way of color reducing a higher color image to 9-bit color, and especially useful in photoshop since you can't really import a 512 color paletteQuote from: fragmare on January 18, 2018, 01:23:44 PMYou go to 'Posterize' and input a value of 8. Iirc, it will use RGB values of 0, 36, 72, 109, 145, 182, 218, and 255, iircI've never tried using posterize to clean up a low color count rgb image - only to reduce colors from high color count rgb images - so I can't confirm if that's how it behaves, but it was my understanding that it does clamp them but it just uses a nearist neighbor and clamps the colors down to a range defined in the value you input; That would be awesome if that's how it works though, each number representing a bit depth?
I looked into it briefly and it sounds like the number represents the # of colors per channel it will clamp the image down to. I am not certain it relates to bit depth, nor will set the colors to be any different value other than choosing the nearist neighboring color on the gamut
Quote from: Gredler on January 16, 2018, 05:45:46 PMPhotoshart does allow you to clamp the RGB values to 9-bit color. You go to 'Posterize' and input a value of 8. Iirc, it will use RGB values of 0, 36, 72, 109, 145, 182, 218, and 255Quote from: fragmare on January 16, 2018, 03:08:01 PMRight, was in the middle of editing stuff. The closest PCE color would be 255/182/144It was my understanding it needed to be divisible by 36 to be valid, so would 255 and 182 be invalid? I wish we could clamp available colors to valid colors in photoshop across the full spectrum, not just either 256 colors or the full 16bit gamutPromotion is kinda good about it, but still 256 or full gamut and f that
Also I didn't mention how cool the alien head thing looks, nice dude
Quote from: Gredler on January 16, 2018, 01:23:51 PMNot a valid pce color tho, right? 255,168 129. But yeah, even owning Pro Motion NG I find myself gravitating back into photoshop with almost every asset I work on :/Right, was in the middle of editing stuff. The closest PCE color would be 255/182/144
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: Michirin9801 on October 19, 2017, 01:18:28 PMNice After Burner cover ;3Haha, thanks!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Best music on a HuCard
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: Michirin9801 on October 08, 2017, 03:29:04 PMIt would be so meta if you put After Burner II footage in your video with this song xDBurn-ception lol
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: What Turbo game are you currently playing?
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: seieienbu on September 29, 2017, 01:03:47 AMWoo, I voted for that. It sounds good so far; I'm looking forward to the final version.Thanks! If it sounds extra Afterburner-ey, that's because I'm using ONLY wavetables and instruments from PCE Afterburner II ;) hah
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: esteban on September 21, 2017, 12:57:15 PMDigital Bikini. Awesome.Oh, for the love of... tell his broken engrish ass to get on here and break this tie. lol. He used to be on IRC a lot, but he's not there now, it seems.
And, yes, tats has an account here, but he couldn't remember his user name.
Also, he was drunk (Swiss beer).
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: esteban on September 21, 2017, 07:32:51 AMLol doesn't Tatsujin already have an account here on PCEFX?Quote from: fragmare on September 20, 2017, 07:34:28 PMOoh, Super Monaco GP now tied for the lead... remember, if you guys pick Super Monaco, you get this redrawn, eye-candy PCE intro screen for the Youtube vidTats told me that he voted for Super Monaco GP, by proxy.
That should settle things.
ALSO: I am convinced you drew a digital bikini top for that title screen.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: touko on September 19, 2017, 10:06:17 AMNo entry for this ??:Yea, I probably missed a bunch. I just listed what I could think of off the top of my head.
I vote for :
Gley Lancer - Stage 1 -
Elemental Master - Stage 1 -
Thunder Force III - Siren -
Thunder Force III - Haides -
Contra Hard Corps - The Hard Corps -
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: exodus on September 17, 2017, 01:51:57 AMah, what I meant was you were using some FM drums and all that in the other threads! also I tend to think of a cover as an interpretation on the theme - if you're going for accuracy, I guess I consider it a remake!Yea, I use samples for percussion much of the time. The PCE handles samples just fine, and I've got no problems sampling the percussion straight from the original track. Though, I have nothing against PSG percussion. I just made a PSG drums version of the Gaiares track (after much tribulation over the snare). My Super CV4 cover also uses PSG drums. It's just a PITA sometimes and, besides, that's Michirin's turf anyway. ;) haha
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: Michirin9801 on September 16, 2017, 11:58:51 PMlol, to some people, "as close to the original" == "as good they can sound on the PCE" ;)Quote from: fragmare on September 16, 2017, 11:23:34 PMI think he means that you try to make them sound as close to the original as you can on the PCE instead of trying to make them sound as good as they can on the PCE, or maybe even better than the original if possible, but in a style that's recognisably PCE... Am I right? Let me know...Quote from: exodus on September 16, 2017, 10:45:55 PMAs I understand it you're not really about using "pure" PCE sounds, which might make my choices meaningless, but that's what I did anyway!Hmm, what do you mean by "pure"? I'm creating these tunes in Deflemask and recording the playback by playing the ROM file in Mednafen. Any of these chiptunes should play on real PCE hardware.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: exodus on September 16, 2017, 10:45:55 PMAs I understand it you're not really about using "pure" PCE sounds, which might make my choices meaningless, but that's what I did anyway!Hmm, what do you mean by "pure"? I'm creating these tunes in Deflemask and recording the playback by playing the ROM file in Mednafen. Any of these chiptunes should play on real PCE hardware.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
Quote from: guest on September 16, 2017, 10:06:04 PMThere are so many options I'm not sure why you don't just ask for suggestions and count the most requested ones... the poll is overwhelming.I like having people feel like they're more directly involved by clicking things lol
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Vote for my next TG-16/PCE chiptune cover!
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: touko on September 16, 2017, 08:18:57 AMI don't know the dragon fury's version .Has more of a TFIV vibe to it
Yes,elemental master also has some great tunes .
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: touko on September 15, 2017, 03:04:19 PMTF3 venus fire for me .The question would be WHICH version of Venus Fire to cover? The one from TFIII? Or the one from the sound test menu in Dragon's Fury?
A little bit disappointed to not find any glaylancer's music .
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: guest on September 14, 2017, 04:34:59 PMMy vote's for Tetris.What's that you say? You want to hear Gameboy Tetris on the Atari POKEY?? OKAY!
Quote from: ccovell on September 14, 2017, 06:29:28 PMI was always partial to the Weapon Select tune in Gradius III SNES...Ooh good one. I'll add it.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Yes, Michirin, Dreamer is on the list... ;)
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: Michirin9801 on September 07, 2017, 02:27:24 PMPCE PSG > YM2612 all day, every day!Ehhh... only on Wednesdays. And one Sunday every month.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: Michirin9801 on August 26, 2017, 01:30:54 PMNice job Fragmare ^^I disagree. The FM percussion in Gaiares is amazing, imo, and anything but the original percussion just wouldn't sound like Gaiares. Not everything needs lollified into a frothy meringue of cuteness... I like my music bassy, aggressive and angry.
But umm, as I've already commented in the video, you seem to have sampled your drums from FM, and I kind of don't get why... I mean, if you're gonna use samples, why not use proper drum samples? I get that you're going for accuracy, but FM drums for the most part are just kind of 'eh >w>';
Personally, I think even the PSG drums the PCE can produce without samples are better, but whatever, you do you...
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: ccovell on August 26, 2017, 01:12:30 AMFragmare, how on earth did you do that amazing bass in your Gaiares cover? Share your secrets with us!Haha, check out this guy... postin' my new chiptunes to my own thread before I even get a chance.
The percussion is just a few tiny samples, the bassline and leads are wavetables. This track is insanely simple. It only uses 4 waveforms, plus the percussion. Very elegant in its composition.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: My TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine chiptune music...
Quote from: Michirin9801 on August 10, 2017, 10:37:38 PMGreat job Fragmare ^^Thanks. I'm 'eh on a lot of things...
I'm still kinda 'eh on that wavetable though >w>';
Quote from: guest on April 19, 2017, 01:56:05 PMThe thing is, steadfast determination and "I'm going to chip away at it and get it done" with regards to a project like that is a bit naive sounding.Yea, well, i've stuck by Xymati up to now. I don't see any reason to abandon it at this point. And I, quite honestly, don't care if you (or anybody else) do or don't think it'll work out. If i have to release Xymati for FREE and then keep updating it with new ISO versions from time to time... then that's what i'll do. If I want to make a minor tweak or re-write the entire foundation of the game, then so what? My point is, I'd be better off just teaching myself how to code HuC6280 than waiting on somebody else to code it, because that way, it *might* get finished before i die of old age... because i'm tellin' ya... if i keep waiting on these fuckers around this place to put their money where their mouth is, then i really WILL be waiting until i'm a dusty skeleton..................
Especially when you also say things like "I am going to learn more HuC6280 asm".
There's more to making a game than "learning asm" for whatever platform the game is on. You have to know how to program. When you are capable of that, the language in question is something that then just becomes a matter of learning it. You can know 6502 assembly in and out and still have no goddamn clue how to write a game.
The bulk of the Commodore 64 library will demonstrate that point for me.
I'm not sure how much programming you know that is non 6502 based that will be able to be applied.
I am also not sure what other game programming and design experience you have.
It's a lot of work. You're talking about making a Musha caliber game by yourself with what I assume is basically no programming experience on a platform where the work is already harder because it lacks another BG plane, so you have to resort to more effort to get the screen effects you want.
Fortunately, you won't have to write a sound engine since we already did that for you.
You won't be chipping away at it til it's done. You'll be chipping away at it until you realize the foundation is goony, and then you have to start redoing everything.
and then you'll probably do that again.
maybe again.
"chipping away at it" is how you do art or music because it's easy to change as you go.
It's not a great way to write software.
If you do want to write games, you should start out with simpler crap first and go from there.
Starting with a Compile or Konami caliber thing by yourself out the gate is a great way to join the ranks of "didn't get done" stuff.
Quote from: guest on April 19, 2017, 10:56:29 AMI can understand how your own experiences have lead you to feel that way. But I'm glad SamIam and Elmer don't share that attitude, because their partnership is very close to giving us translated Xanadu I and II. They have found a great working relationship, which is awesome. Sounds like Rover and Sarumaru have found that as well. I hope you get your Xymati, because it looks like it might be awesome. But you're basically throwing shade on the entire community, despite evidence that the community isn't fundamentally broken. You've had some bad experiences, but others have not.Yay, good for them. *thumbs up* And you're right, I definitely don't care.
(And yes, you absolutely CAN help how people construe your words. What you meant to say is that you don't CARE how people misconstrue your words.)
Quote from: guest on April 19, 2017, 09:16:20 AMFragmare, if you have the passion to do this, then you may be able to see it through. I think this is really about semantics. I think your argument that determination is enough is being read by others here as, "if someone would just work harder this would get done," and they naturally see this as a flawed assertion. You clearly have a passion for your project, and passion is a motivator far more powerful than simple determination ("Just work harder, dude!").If people want to misconstrue what I say and get offended in the process, then I can't really help that. I'm not saying somebody "just needs to work harder". I'm saying somebody needs to show some fucking RESOLVE, stick with the goddamn project when they say they are going to, and not flake out and go MIA, then come back later and start 28 other projects lol. And it has become clear, long ago, that the only person that's going do that is ME
You can't rely on someone else to have the same passion about your project that you do. That doesn't mean you can't rely on others to help you make it happen, but in hobbyist scenes like this where everyone has a home life and their own projects, you can't rely on someone else to carry the torch for your project. When you're talking about programming an entire game, no, you can't rely on someone else to program your game for you, not unless you can make them care about your game more than their own or anyone else's.
And given the size of the hobbyist scene for this underdog console, I think there are quite a few projects that have gone to completion. The PCE homebrew scene is actually relatively productive.
Quote from: elmer on April 19, 2017, 02:26:35 AMLol what, exactly, is out of line? Saying if you want something done around here, you might as well do it all yourself? That's no exaggeration. Fuck, I think you could probably dig up a quote of Arkhan's on this forum that's almost verbatim to that, said to me in regards to Xymati, no less. This "scene" is generally full of doe-eyed, eagerly anticipating ingenues and overly gung-ho guys that start 9239847 projects simultaneously, but finish 0. Not saying there aren't exceptions; Meteor Blaster DX, Mysterious Song, Arkhan's Retrocade pack, Ys IV translation, etc.... but the general rule around here is: SHIT DOESN'T GET FINISHED. Some kind of community GitHub like system COULD work, if there's a person directing the show and deciding what to keep/trash. But that brings out the whiners when they're goofball, left-field idea doesn't get included.Quote from: fragmare on April 19, 2017, 01:42:32 AMI'm sorry Fragmare, I absolutely love the music that you've been doing, and the artwork that you've created ... but that's just a bit out-of-line.Quote from: guest on April 19, 2017, 12:58:16 AMExpecting like one dude to do it in free time is a great way for it to never get done.Depends entirely upon the determination of said individual.
I don't share Arkhan's perspectives on quite a few things, and we have, and almost-certainly will continue in the future, to butt-heads on various subjects.
But he's 100% correct on this one.
You can't force your passion for own project down someone else's throat.
Programming a game on these old-machines (PCE/MSX/Genesis/whatever) is a *LOT* of work.
Asking someone to do that after a hard-day's-effort-at-their-job, week-after-week, long-after all the fun-and-challenging aspects have been conquered, and the 50%+ of hum-drum coding starts, followed by the 30%+ of terminally-dull get-it-finished coding begins ...
... then determination isn't enough. It's going to take either "passion", or a large paycheck.
And nobody here is offering that "paycheck".
Arkhan has done what a lot, a huge lot, of people haven't ... he's finished things, and he's pushed the whole "scene" forward.
That's incredibly difficult, and one heck of an accomplishment.
I'm going to have to side wtih him on this one.
Quote from: guest on April 19, 2017, 12:58:16 AMExpecting like one dude to do it in free time is a great way for it to never get done.Depends entirely upon the determination of said individual.
Quote from: elmer on April 18, 2017, 04:36:32 PMLol you'd think a Nexr clone and a run-n-gun game would garner some genuine interest at some point, but whatever. If there's one thing I've learned here, it's that people will blow all kinds of smoke up your ass, but at the end of the day you can't depend on people for shit. And if you want something done, you're probably better off just doing it all yourself... ZINGQuote from: Michirin9801 on April 18, 2017, 03:25:19 PMYep, extremely sad after all of these years!Quote from: fragmare on April 18, 2017, 02:43:50 PMThat's pretty sad actually >w>
Me waiting for somebody to code Xymati lol
There just aren't that many programmer-types around here, and even when there are people with free-time, they've actually got to have the passion (and skill) to want to create the same type of game.
