What would you rate each pce game?

awack · 05/09/2009, 06:15 PM

Breaking down the rating of each game into four categories, gameplay(gplay) graphics(grfx) special effects(sfx) and sound effects(sndfx), i left music out because its to hard for me

...here are a few to start with, it would be nice to hear other opinions but, they will be disregarded and only my opinions will be accepted as truth (which are susceptible to change at any time).

gplay grfx sfx sndfx

Winds of Thunder 10 10 61/2 91/2

Gate of Thunder 10 9 61/2 9

Dracula X 10 10 10 10

Spriggan II 9 7 81/2 71/2

Kaze Kiri 61/2 9 7 91/2

Cotton 8 7 9 81/2

Valis III 8 7 6 6

Download 2 7 71/2 6 4

CrackTiger · 05/10/2009, 12:00 AM

gplay grfx sfx sndfx

Winds of Thunder 8 10 10    7

Gate of Thunder 9 9      9      7

Dracula X    8 10 10    10

Kaze Kiri 5    7 4 ?

Cotton ?    7 7    ?

Valis III 6    7 4    ?

I factored level design, replayability and fun into gameplay. I left ? for aspects I couldn't judge well enough from memory. I left out altogether games I couldn't remember accurately enough to judge. I'd probably give Spriggan Mark 2 a 9 for graphics though.

nat · 05/10/2009, 01:17 AM

IMO, numerical ratings are kind of silly in general. What does a number even signify?

"GRAPHICS: 86%"

OK, that tells me fuck all about the graphics.

Tatsujin · 05/10/2009, 07:30 AM

gplay grfx sfx sndfx

Winds of Thunder 9 10 10    7

Gate of Thunder 9 10   10     10

Dracula X    9 10 10    10

Kaze Kiri 5    7 6 8

Cotton 6    8 8    8

Valis III 7    6 6    6

ikobo · 05/10/2009, 10:52 AM

gplay grfx sfx sndfx

Winds of Thunder 8 8 7 9

Gate of Thunder 6 7 6 7

Dracula X 10 10 10 10

Spriggan II 7 7 7 7

Kaze Kiri 7 9 7 9

Tatsujin · 05/10/2009, 10:57 AM

QuoteGate of Thunder gplay 6

tell me about a shooter which beats the GP of this master piece?

ikobo · 05/10/2009, 10:59 AM

It's just a matter of personal preference Tatsujin, i've just never really liked gates of thunder, i prefer winds.

Tatsujin · 05/10/2009, 11:10 AM

it's not a about the bad GoT and the good Wot here. it's about its gameplay. and got has a hell good gp. if you like it or not, doesn't change the fact. you can doom got on its graphic or sound aspects. sure i'll not agree with you, but at least i would accept it ;)

ikobo · 05/10/2009, 11:20 AM

And like i said, i've just never really liked it. It would be a pretty boring place if we all just liked the same things!

There are lots of PC-Engine games that people say are fantastic that i just don't like, doesn't make me right or them wrong though.

Lord Thag · 05/10/2009, 11:59 AM

I have to second Tatsujin on this. I've only just started on collecting PCE games, but most of what i have bought has been shooters. Of all the shooters I have, Gate of Thunder is probaly the best overall in terms of gameplay, sound, and graphics. Salamander is damned close, and depending on the day and the mood, might be ranked equally. Image Fight is equal or superior in the gameplay department, in my book, but much more lacking in the other areas.

And yeah, it's all about personal preference.

Otaking · 05/10/2009, 12:21 PM

gplay grfx sfx sndfx

Winds of Thunder 10 10 10 11 (Winds is my favourite game ever on any system)

Gate of Thunder 9    9 9    8

Dracula X 10 10 10    10 (top 5 favourite games ever)

Spriggan II    8 8 9 8

Spriggan 8 9 9 8

Cotton 8 8 9    7

Valis III (own it but haven't played it much, it didn't grab me)

Soldier Blade 10 10 9 9 (top 5 favourite games ever)

Magical Chase 9 9 8 8

Sinistron · 05/10/2009, 06:23 PM

I myself prefer Winds/Lords of Thunder to Gate of Thunder- but giving GOT's gameplay anything less than a 9 out of 10 is absurd. There is a difference between not "liking" something and not admitting to something's definite quality. It's like- you may not like the movie TITANIC - but just because you don't like it you'd rate its special effects a 5 out of 10- just doesn't add up. You might possibly think that "gameplay" is something that relates more to personal aesthetics- that it's a looser category- but it really isn't. Gameplay encompasses controls, smoothness, creative controls (the double tap to reverse your attack is simply awesome), play rhythm, etc. - all areas in which GOT obviously excel in. The game may not be that fun to you personally (strangely)- but there's no question that the gameplay in GOT is excellent.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/10/2009, 06:56 PM

Did I just see it?

I think I did.

Winds of thunder goes to 11!

Personally all these games (I was way too lazy to reformat and type and edit the block of ratings), get 8+s all around in my book.

Tatsujin · 05/10/2009, 11:18 PM

sini ma bro

awack · 05/11/2009, 01:21 AM

gplay grfx sfx sndfx

Anesan 6 8 6 7

Double Dragon II 8 7 5 7

ikobo · 05/11/2009, 04:52 AM

It wouldn't matter if a million people told me to rate GOT higher, i'm not going to change my mind. I don't like it, but that's only my opinion. I don't take offence if someone doesn't like the same things as me, but maybe i'm more secure. You may think your girlfriends attractive and i might think she's a pig, everybody likes different things.

Tatsujin · 05/11/2009, 06:18 AM

as sini and I try to tell you now for several times, it's not about the game you don't like which bothers us, it's the fact, that you give its gameplay a bad rating, where absolutely no bad gameplay is. and this is not a matter of taste, it's a matter of an undeniable fact. has nothing to do with its graphics, acoustics, technical issues, tastes etc. things you can either like or hate.

so there are now two options:
either you don't know the correct meaning which stands behind the term "Gameplay" or you just like to fool around with us.

make your choice

ikobo · 05/11/2009, 06:29 AM

Well let's get something else clear here, just because YOU say so doesn't make it an undeniable fact. But yeah, maybe i do get a laugh out of messing with you too. It's still a 6. In fact, now that i've had more time to think about it, it's probably a 5.

RuninRuder · 05/11/2009, 07:32 AM

Gate of Thunder is one of my favorite shooters, and I'd give it a 10 for gameplay.

That being said, I don't think it's impervious to criticism. If someone were to tell me that they didn't enjoy the game as much as they might have because 95% of it is cake and you barely even have to move to defeat five of the seven bosses, well, I wouldn't argue with them. Those factors don't impact my enjoyment of the game, but I could certainly see how they could affect someone else's. And it would have to be reflected somewhere in the "number grades" they give, and "gameplay" seems like a more suitable area than "graphics" or "sound effects."

There are also instances where a person just doesn't like a game very much for idiosyncratic reasons. This seems to be the case with Ikobo and Gate of Thunder, as he hasn't mentioned anything specific he dislikes about it. I don't see anything wrong with that, especially in a topic of this nature where people are mostly just tossing around numbers without any explanation anyway. It's not like Ikobo is making any claims of being "objective" with his score or saying that everyone else should agree with him.

ikobo · 05/11/2009, 07:40 AM

That's a good, well reasoned post. From someone who rates the game as a favourite. Lessons to be learned there.

Quote from: runinruder on 05/11/2009, 07:32 AMGate of Thunder is one of my favorite shooters, and I'd give it a 10 for gameplay.

That being said, I don't think it's impervious to criticism. If someone were to tell me that they didn't enjoy the game as much as they might have because 95% of it is cake and you barely even have to move to defeat five of the seven bosses, well, I wouldn't argue with them. Those factors don't impact my enjoyment of the game, but I could certainly see how they could affect someone else's. And it would have to be reflected somewhere in the "number grades" they give, and "gameplay" seems like a more suitable area than "graphics" or "sound effects."

There are also instances where a person just doesn't like a game very much for idiosyncratic reasons. This seems to be the case with Ikobo and Gate of Thunder, as he hasn't mentioned anything specific he dislikes about it. I don't see anything wrong with that, especially in a topic of this nature where people are mostly just tossing around numbers without any explanation anyway. It's not like Ikobo is making any claims of being "objective" with his score or saying that everyone else should agree with him.

termis · 05/11/2009, 09:26 AM

GoT is cool, but I'd also give it nothing more than a "slightly better than average" rating on gameplay. The graphics and sounds are awesome, but the gameplay... it doesn't do anything wrong, but nothing it really blows me away. If I had to nitpick, there's nothing particularly impressive nor innovative about the weapons system, which I think was the main reason why it probably doesn't make my personal favorites list.

I know if is gonna be fighting words for many, but in a way, I consider GoT as "Thunder Force III Lite"

Tatsujin · 05/11/2009, 09:43 AM

Quote from: termis on 05/11/2009, 09:26 AMI know if is gonna be fighting words for many, but in a way, I consider GoT as "Thunder Force III Lite"

that's OK dude. in a way, I consider GoT as "Thunder Force III 3.0 KAI+++"

Sinistron · 05/11/2009, 02:58 PM

The thing is that a list of numbers IS incredibly boring (which is why I didn't provide my own lol)- and like Nat said- means very little- I was hoping that by questioning Ikobo's sanity that he might actually TELL US what it is about GOT that he doesn't like- for as it is- Ikobo's well-I-just-don't-like-it opinion is as meaningless and boring as the standalone numbers. Ironic that he talks about what a boring place it would be if we all agreed with each other- but in reality what a boring place it is when a great number of people- people such as himself- offer zero constructive criticism (how is it broken? what would fix it?). Runin's right in saying that a colorless opinion works well alongside number ratings with no description- an empty glass to go with an empty plate. Was just trying to add some actual substance to this thread.

That said- I'll repeat- anything less than a 9 out of 10 for GOT gameplay is absurd

CrackTiger · 05/11/2009, 04:03 PM

When I first played GoT, I didn't think that the gameplay was anything too special. But then I went back and played so many other shooters and it stood out by comparison. I can understand how someone might not like shooters in general or think that GoT is too easy (I think it's just super balanced and lacking cheapness).

ikobo · 05/12/2009, 03:05 AM

Right then, let's take this back to the beginning as it's clearly difficult for a couple of people to get their heads around what is happening. The original question was, "what would YOU rate each game", which is what i did. I gave MY ratings in the same format as set by the original poster. Now, because my opinion differs from someone else's, i get my intelligence brought in to question as i clearly don't have the I.Q. to get my head around the meaning of the word gameplay. So why should i justify anything to a couple of people who have thrown their toys out their prams just because someone dares to have a differing opinion? I don't feel the need to question the ratings they were quite happy to throw out quite freely, simply because that opinion is THEIR choice. You see how simple that is? Go and have another think about it and get back to me when you can understand what i'm saying. No rush, take your time.

Sinistron · 05/12/2009, 09:13 AM

Quote from: ikobo on 05/12/2009, 03:05 AMRight then, let's take this back to the beginning as it's clearly difficult for a couple of people to get their heads around what is happening. The original question was, "what would YOU rate each game", which is what i did. I gave MY ratings in the same format as set by the original poster. Now, because my opinion differs from someone else's, i get my intelligence brought in to question as i clearly don't have the I.Q. to get my head around the meaning of the word gameplay. So why should i justify anything to a couple of people who have thrown their toys out their prams just because someone dares to have a differing opinion? I don't feel the need to question the ratings they were quite happy to throw out quite freely, simply because that opinion is THEIR choice. You see how simple that is? Go and have another think about it and get back to me when you can understand what i'm saying. No rush, take your time.

We wanted you to explain yourself- apparently you're above that- either that or you're making a big deal about upholding the sanctity of the thread's nonspecific first entries- forgetting that this is first and foremost a forum for discussion. You're also talking about number ratings representing peoples' opinions -- THEIR choices or what not that you didn't feel the need to question yourself- that's great- that's YOUR choice to not question them. It's MY choice to question you. It's also MY choice to point out- as Nat did earlier on- that numbers alone are meaningless- which is why me and Tatsujin are trying to get to the actual meat of YOUR opinion. I find it funny that people who do like the game are listing reasons why someone might not be nuts about it- while you- the one who doesn't like the game is sitting there silent. Seems like everyone wants to actually discuss real or possible dissenting opinions except you- the guy with the dissenting opinion. Whatever the case may be- if you're getting all twisted up in a knot because a couple of guys on a videogame forum are saying you're insane for not liking a certain game- then you need to drop the nuk and grow some tougher skin.

geise · 05/12/2009, 12:23 PM

I like Wind/Lords of Thunder more than GoT, but I feel GoT has better gameplay. The "reason" I feel that way is how in GoT you can make your weapon shoot behind you. Your ship also manuevers really well and is responsive. Wow...that wasn't so hard to give a reason. I also rate the number system a 2.

TurboXray · 05/12/2009, 12:29 PM

gplay grfx sfx sndfx

Winds of Thunder 9 9 8 9

Gate of Thunder 9 8.5 7 9

Dracula X 9 9 9 8

Spriggan II 9 7 8 7

Kaze Kiri 5 7.5 5 ???

Cotton 8 8 9 8

Valis III 7.5 7.5 6 6

Lord Thag · 05/12/2009, 12:40 PM

Heh, this is becoming the new Xevious debate

Ikobo, I think everyone is wanting something like this from you:

I love GoT. Graphics and Sound are definately top of the scale, I'd give graphics a 10 due to huge detailed levels with lots of flair and moving bits that are all well animated and stunning. Music is excellent too, if a bit generic in parts, but it matches the mood of each level well, and the sound effects fit perfectly. Sound is a 9.

As to gameplay, I'd give it an 8.5. The controls are smooth and responsive, and the powerup system is solid and entertaining. Enemies and levels are varied and fun, and the bosses are big and impressive. The reason I don't give the gameplay higher than an 8.5 is because it's too easy. I played through several levels on the first try. The bosses are too easy as well. I don't think I've ever even been hit by the first one.

Overall, it's an A-list game. I'd give it a 9 or a 9.5 as a total rating. If it were a bit more challenging, it would be the perfect side scrolling shooter. As it stands, it is merely outstanding.

geise · 05/12/2009, 12:48 PM

Quote from: Lord Thag on 05/12/2009, 12:40 PMOverall, it's an A-list game. I'd give it a 9 or a 9.5 as a total rating. If it were a bit more challenging, it would be the perfect side scrolling shooter. As it stands, it is merely outstanding.

That is why you need to set all games on Hard.

Lord Thag · 05/12/2009, 02:33 PM

QuoteThat is why you need to set all games on Hard.

I do believe it was on hard.

I kind of like the really punishing but fair shooters the best. Take Image Fight. Sure, it's not the prettiest game out there, but it plays like a dream. It rewards good strategy and positioning, and punishes laziness. It's a great, underappreciated shooter. Aero Blasters is like that. R-Type is too. I tend to like those kinds of shooters the best. Gate of Thunder is nowhere close to the difficulty of Image Fight.

Now, that said, it makes up for a LOT by presentation, music and the rest. It's a mite easy, but it's damn fun, and the overall result is an A-list game that is really, really entertaining and a great way to show off the PCE to someone whose never played it. Lords of Thunder is great too, and I find, a bit tougher. Usually that would make me like it better, but I like the visual presentation of GoT better.

But really, it's like comparing a luxury sports car to another luxury sports car. The differences are minor. They're both awesome.

bust3dstr8 · 05/12/2009, 08:06 PM

Kunio Dodgeball

gameplay 1P=8 2P=9 Tight contols, customizable team in 1P, characters all have unique moves, even more fun 2P

grafx= 5 Chunky Technos style sprtites, pretty bland backgrounds

specialfx= 10 Uses the special technique of sprites on background layer.. muddafuckin' w00t

soundfx= 8 Good chiptune beats to get your balls a humming.

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