A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.

[CrackTiger]

If no restrictions are made, a disclaimer should at least be added to the rules of the buy/sell sections warning n00bs of what generally sets people off and how many people will comment in their threads if they don't like their prices.

[Gogan]

In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial.

Completely agree, and I did!  In my case there was history and context, I don't make it a habit to pick on every single newb that does this.  I even tried to calm the waters on the Saturn thread and that failed.  True some guys here go overboard and I frown on that, but it's important to NOT generalize either.

Saturn dug his own grave in that thread lol

[VestCunt]

If no restrictions are made, a disclaimer should at least be added to the rules of the buy/sell sections warning n00bs of what generally sets people off and how many people will comment in their threads if they don't like their prices.

Oh yeah, this:

[nectarsis]

In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial.

Completely agree, and I did!  In my case there was history and context, I don't make it a habit to pick on every single newb that does this.  I even tried to calm the waters on the Saturn thread and that failed.  True some guys here go overboard and I frown on that, but it's important to NOT generalize either.

Saturn dug his own grave in that thread lol

But...but he PUT EVERYONE IN THEIR PLACE!!!

[CGQuarterly]

That's true.  I was definitely put in my place.  The place where I don't buy his stuff and he disappears from the forums.

Chris

[PCEngineHell]

/moralityguy3.png

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I would say have it set so that you could not access certain parts of the forum, until a post count has been reached.  I would think 50-100 would be enough to know if they are someone worth dealing with.  I've been a mod on private forums before, that utilized a system like that, and it works well.  Doubtful it will ever happen here though. 

The only problem with making the "sell/trade" forums invisible to new members would be that they would assume they just don't exist and should make new topics/posts to sell their 'goods' on regular forums.

Why not just a 50 post limit for any new member to be able to start a thread?  Make them join conversations, post in the "Welcome to PCFX" forum and get to know the place a bit, and when they hit their #50- then bam!  They can start a thread.

I know this would take an act of GOD for Aaron to respond to a PM/email regarding this suggestion so maybe we all should try PMing him today. with the same request! 

[PunkCryborg]

you want 50 posts from a n00b that are "I like this" and "lol" and " " before they can start posting "pm sent" in a sales thread?

[BigusSchmuck]

you want 50 posts from a n00b that are "I like this" and "lol" and " " before they can start posting "pm sent" in a sales thread?

Or you can create a minimum post content like a paragraph or more to count towards your post count. And maybe have a script or something check to see if the content isn't repetitive and such. Might be too complicated, I dunno. Or have a requirement that your first 50 posts have to be in the pce/turbo/chat discussion and can't all be in fighting street. Better yet have fighting street posts don't count at all. Just a thought.

[sirhcman]

I voted for 150 post count and 2 month activity but if we get into 'where I posted' and what content I have posted then I probably wouldn't qualify to sell here. I haven't made a For Sale thread but had been contemplating doing one in the future.. Currently I do all my deals through PM if people want something *shrugs*

[Obfuscate]

2 months, no post count. You don't need to post a lot to be part of the community. 2 months keep guys from just signing up to dump their shit.

[jeffhlewis]

Hey I'm not exactly the most prolific poster on the forums, and I've had lots of successful transactions buying and selling with members from the onset. Some of the post-limit restrictions would have prevented me from buying/selling.

I like the idea of making someone post in the introduction (or starting a thread somewhere in general) and maybe imposing 1-2 month moratorium on sales posts. Anything more and I just feel like you're scaring off new people who might contribute down the road.

[tiptopjames]

Late to the party as usual, but I find all the poll choices to be a bit strict. I am not a prolific poster, but I read discussion boards quite a bit, be it for repair advice or advice on what games to play. Despite infrequent posting, I still decided I liked this forum enough to raffle a couple of dupes to this community, when I could have just as easily decided to sell them. So yes, I'm new, I frequent the b/s/t and discussion threads, and chances are high that I would not have contributed anything if such a silly limit were put in place. Why should we be so exclusive? I much prefer inclusion.

[PunkCryborg]

so far I've had good deals from the two last noobs selling their goods so I don't know what the big deal is

[420GOAT]

when i was new, i would have hated not being able to buy. selling may be something else, but then theyd just go to ebay. i think 2 weeks and 100 posts would be cool.

[Arkhan Asylum]

This whole threads pointless until we get more moderators.

I think if you don't have alot of posts, don't fuckin' talk about anything, and just want to sell and leave, that you can just eat dicks and pound sand.

We need more moderators if we're going to have this shit work though.

Joe will take like 6 weeks to take care of it.

[Gogan]

This whole threads pointless until we get more moderators.

I think if you don't have alot of posts, don't fuckin' talk about anything, and just want to sell and leave, that you can just eat dicks and pound sand.

We need more moderators if we're going to have this shit work though.

Joe will take like 6 weeks to take care of it.

Again, this.


Edit: actually, I think we have enough mods, they just need to do....something

[Nec.Game.head]

This NOOB totally agrees on some of the tougher rules set. I really think that putting in the time to get to know the forum you joined should be mandatory in order to buy/sell. I guess maybe I feel this way because it's just way too easy to get on here and start selling/buying, then go else where like ebay or other forums and start selling this precious Pce stuff to make a profit. I have had some personal chats with some of the other newer members and that seems to be the trend now in days all over the place. Collecting Pce and Tg16 stuff because it's becoming really rare. I think it's BS !!! I really don't like the thought of being on a forums that has people that are into retro gaming/collecting because of it's huge trend right now and the income they can make from it. Nothing wrong with buying and selling to make a couple of extra bucks, if you are really into the console and want to help support each other in this Pce world of ours. Sorry about my rant it's just my opinion! You have got to earn your keep is what I say!

[soop]

I don't really care too much about the selling, because I don't know anyone here who would buy something at a stupid price.  It's when the new guy first gets a great deal from a fellow PCE fan and then shanks them by trying to profit.

So I say buying only, post limit.

[mrhaboobi]

i say if someone is lucky enough to find something at a market, and they come here to sell it, so long as its cheaper than what i might have paid on ebay then to me thats fine.. everyone makes profit on something, id rather someone come here with a mint item and i have the chance to buy it, then for it to be completely lost to ebay, at least there is a chance i can negotiate with the seller for less.  The forum will deal to anyone that is asking for too much, the fact is they just wont get their gear sold here..  but thats my thought.

[tggodfrey]

I would rather see items sold here to the community rather than go on ebay because of some rule.  As with all internet sales buyer is responsible for his own safety.

[KnightWarrior]

I think at DP it's 2 weeks, Before the Buying and Selling opens up

[jperryss]

I think at DP it's 2 weeks, Before the Buying and Selling opens up

I've seen this on other boards as well. I've also seen a post-count minimum (typically 50-100 posts) sometimes combined with a 30-day restriction before a new user can view the classifieds.

Both work pretty well as long as that user doesn't start stupid threads like "which is better: Nintendo or Sega" and single-reply to every damn post in that thread to get his count up.

[VestCunt]

i say if someone is lucky enough to find something at a market, and they come here to sell it, so long as its cheaper than what i might have paid on ebay then to me thats fine.. everyone makes profit on something, id rather someone come here with a mint item and i have the chance to buy it, then for it to be completely lost to ebay,

I would rather see items sold here to the community rather than go on ebay because of some rule.  

I don't watch the sale forums as close as I used to - have there been any bargains from new members this year? Has anyone with less than the suggested post requirements ever posted a sale "priced to sell"?

You guys would have a point if brand new members were posting competitive prices, but I don't see the evidence. Noob sales are moderately successful because the 0-to-2-year members working on their U.S. sets wet themselves whenever they get a chance to buy something outside of ebay or haggle, not because the prices are lower. If a rookie does lower a price to the low BIN/average auction rate, it's because of a bulk sale and the lack of ebay fees, not generosity.

Saturn only moved his CD games after being verbally bludgeoned into lowering his prices three times. Even then, they wouldn't have sold without idiots on hand to buy Madden for $40 used when a google user could have bought it new for $23 on Amazon. Retrohungrey's prices basically match Amazon, where's the bargain? Do we really need to welcome ebay fee dodgers so our less scrupulous members can support double-talking liars like Saturn and second-post F-bombers trying to flip DE2 for 300 x the purchase price and twice the going rate?

Yes, the forum will "deal" with gougers, but no way are the handful of bargains worth the perpetual drama fest or the support we give to assholes.

[PCEngineHell]

i say if someone is lucky enough to find something at a market, and they come here to sell it, so long as its cheaper than what i might have paid on ebay then to me thats fine.. everyone makes profit on something, id rather someone come here with a mint item and i have the chance to buy it, then for it to be completely lost to ebay,

I would rather see items sold here to the community rather than go on ebay because of some rule. 

I don't watch the sale forums as close as I used to - have there been any bargains from new members this year? Has anyone with less than the suggested post requirements ever posted a sale "priced to sell"?

You guys would have a point if brand new members were posting competitive prices, but I don't see the evidence. Noob sales are moderately successful because the 0-to-2-year members working on their U.S. sets wet themselves whenever they get a chance to buy something outside of ebay or haggle, not because the prices are lower. If a rookie does lower a price to the low BIN/average auction rate, it's because of a bulk sale and the lack of ebay fees, not generosity.

Saturn only moved his CD games after being verbally bludgeoned into lowering his prices three times. Even then, they wouldn't have sold without idiots on hand to buy Madden for $40 used when a google user could have bought it new for $23 on Amazon. Retrohungrey's prices basically match Amazon, where's the bargain? Do we really need to welcome ebay fee dodgers so our less scrupulous members can support double-talking liars like Saturn and second-post F-bombers trying to flip DE2 for 300 x the purchase price and twice the going rate?

Yes, the forum will "deal" with gougers, but no way are the handful of bargains worth the perpetual drama fest or the support we give to assholes.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[esteban]

I have no idea, to be honest, if I actually get "good deals" when I occasionally purchase stuff. I'm at least 6-10 years off with all my "ballpark figures" for the prices on games (I used to buy stuff regularly 6-10 years ago when I had a few more $$$ to spend on games).

I did purchase an R-Type HuCARD (excellent condition, complete in jewel case, no cardboard box) within the last few months (from a person I considered a newbie) for ~$15? I was happy as hell, only because I've wanted it for a damn long time (I remember when it was a ridiculous $60-70 in Toys-R-Us). Clearly, my yardstick for pricing is skewed.

...and I have PCE R-Type CD and both HuCARDs already...

Was this a great deal? I have no fucking idea.

[turboswimbz]

All I can now do is laugh after reading that Esteban.  In a perfect world all that matters is the happiness of getting a game at a price that is alright for your budget.

that being said I can't say the recent new sellers were good experiences for me . . . I'm still due a refund from 1 I'm beginning to doubt I'll see it.

[tggodfrey]

The price or game value arguement will never end.  Sure, new members come here with the idea games are worth more becuase of other sites like ebay and amazon.  At least they come here and learn.  On the opposite side of the coin existing members arent perfect either.  I see existing members expecting to pay 10.00 for a game but expect to sell it for 20.00 on this forum.  I have seen older members sell Cotton here for 250.00 when the forum wants to argue the game is only worth 50.00.  To go one step farther i have seen existing members want to sell a series of items for a given price, lets say 150.00 but then turn around and sell that same lot for cheaper on another forum like Nintendoage.

My point here is that "noob" status isnt the problem.  Its people in general.  Everyone wants stuff for nothing but they want top dollar when they sell.  I find the claimed prices on the forum to be cheap as can be.  granted these games were 45.00 new it sounds rediculous to pay 35.00 for any game.  What does 35.00 get you these days?  Not even a full tank of gas.  I dont support raising prices but price will naturally go up with the inflation of our economy.  it sucks but it is what it is.  As long as new members can discuss and understand that the forum does not acknowledge Ebay as a Price determining factor, I dont see a problem.  There will always be someone who claims a price is too high no matter how low it is.

[VestCunt]

The price or game value arguement will never end.

Prices are a secondary concern for me. I only brought it up because you and mrhaboobi were worried about good deals going to ebay, which is unlikely.

We're never going to reach a consensus on prices. My concern is the asshole factor. I don't agree with 70% of the prices in the sale forums, but I generally keep my mouth shut, especially if it's a reputable member or active gamer. I didn't flame Saturn because of his prices, I flamed him because his contradictions were insane.

The point of this thread is stopping the noobs who simultaneously profit on us while giving everyone the middle finger. Guys like Swiss "Suck it" Canada, Retro "Fuck off" Hungry, and "I'm Still Here, Fags" Xray. No one joins an obscure hobby forum to sell collectibles to strangers for bargain prices. First-post sellers are assholes. Period. And anyone with <100 posts is highly suspect. There's no good reason to rubber stamp newcomers for the sale forums. 

The only conceivable benefit to transient gougers is the entertainment factor, as Zeta pointed out. Some of the our finest moments and the majority of Nat's Hall of Shame come from such unsuspecting peddlers: Enix, Johnnyblaze, etc. That said, even I tire of the BS after a couple days. The peace and harmony around here was downright palpable when Xray and Canada were finally banned. A post requirement would have prevented every asshole cheapjack I've mentioned except for Xray. It's a good idea and it will be worth the peace and quiet.

[thesteve]

when i got here i was looking for a duo (or other CD hardware) as i had no way to play cd games.
found the place when the sound died on my express.

[PunkCryborg]

it's not a good idea though to assume a seller is making a profit on a game though especially on common games that might be 5-10 bucks more then you'd spend because you don't have any idea what THEY paid for the items

[tggodfrey]

Yeah I see your point and I agree with the "asshole factor" lol.  Trouble is how do you set a rule up to keep the asshoels out and not hinder the honest sellers/buyers.  Not everyone is all that interested in constantly posting threads in the discussion forum.  Take me for example.  There isnt anything I can post in the MOd section that you guys dont already know.  The discussion threads I post in are mostly when I am bored at work.  Not everyone has internet available at work.

Time frames seem to be a common choice on some forums.  I usually see 30 day limits.  On the automotive forum I ran, i used post count for the BST section.  Using 50 posts worked since posting 50 trolling comments takes time and we could catch the individual before he got away with it.  It did hurt member who just signed up looking for repair parts.  Never did find a real good middle ground but the 50 post requirement is still active today.

[VestCunt]

Trouble is how do you set a rule up to keep the asshoels out and not hinder the honest sellers/buyers.

Time frames seem to be a common choice on some forums.  I usually see 30 day limits.  On the automotive forum I ran, i used post count for the BST section.  Using 50 posts worked since posting 50 trolling comments takes time and we could catch the individual before he got away with it.  

Yeah, I don't think we'd need a very big limitation. Just a token time limit would be enough to stop fly-by-night sellers from trying to make a quick buck w/o fees. And Steve has a valid point - a public marketplace may attract good people who aren't initially interested in shooting the breeze.  I don't know what options are available to admins... maybe the sale forums could still be viewed by everyone so new members could buy via PM; but they couldn't start threads, i.e. sales, until 30 days and/or 50 posts.

[PCEngineHell]

No one, asshole or not, should be buying or selling shit until they meet a post count requirement, and can provide solid references if selling here for the first time. Anyone joining should be able to provide some kind of referral, either via ebay seller feedback, or other forums, yet many of the dicks who have come here dont, and no one ask them to which is crazy and stupid. Digital Press, the Neo forums, etc all have a feedback system of some sort in place. We don't, and the market system here has always suffered as long as I have been here due to the lack of it. I mean, we are talking since 2005 here.

By the time they make it to the required post count you should be able to filter out if they are a dick or not. Bad members hardly ever make it past the first 50 post, and dealers for profit only will never make it past that either because they want to just make money and move along. Yes, I know that sucks for the one 3rd minority here who wants to buy up whatever shit is brought in, but lets face it, shit would be a lot calmer around here if a more strict rule set was in place. All the bullshit is just a distraction, and to the casual viewer, seeing it take place outside of FS gives the forum a bad image.

[tggodfrey]

shit would be a lot calmer around here if a more strict rule set was in place. All the bullshit is just a distraction, and to the casual viewer, seeing it take place outside of FS gives the forum a bad image.

Wow.  pot meet kettle.  Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?

[VestCunt]

Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?

Professor is the urinal; I'm the toilet. But that's OK. See, we hire Esteban to follow us around and do damage control, cheering people up with his funny pictures. Unfortunately, poor old Esty is maxed out and the server limits how many times he can paste that Bonk smiley in a day, which is why we need to pinch the sphincter on the Asshole Recruitment Center, AKA, the sale forums.

[PCEngineHell]

shit would be a lot calmer around here if a more strict rule set was in place. All the bullshit is just a distraction, and to the casual viewer, seeing it take place outside of FS gives the forum a bad image.

Wow.  pot meet kettle.  Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?

When you can find someone WHO WAS NOT ON THE FIRST PAGE BEGGING FOR A FREE TRINKET FROM NAZI NICK'S RAFFLE (you were on the first page, and thus carry no weight with me, and don't qualify since you knew this clown was a asshole from jump street due to his other post), and have them provide me with a compiled list of my supposed endless complaints I have posted, that somehow happen to far exceed and trump everyone else's here, by doing a side by side comparison with a graph chart and scientific data, lmk. I average 2 post a day, and I don't maintain any hate on ebay reseller threads, so I am sure this will be a easy task for your champion to complete. Thanks for your interest though guy.

EDIT:
And just to add, anyone wanting to criticize me and protest my supposed endless complaints along with tggodfrey here, you can go pound salt in Hades while suffering a giant rubber dong up your ass for eternity for all the good it will do you, because nothing you say will carry any weight with me either on the subject. Half the people here saw Nazi Nick's fucking melt down and the shity treatment towards Bernie prior to said raffle and sales. Bernie, who GAVE far far more to this community then Nazi Nick ever did, was tossed aside, abandoned, in favor of some asshole simply because the guy was offering something shiny and new.

Many here decided to toss Bernie under the fucking bus for a pretty trinket UP UNTIL it ended up said obvious asshole just also happens to be a racist, and even after that many still wanted to continue on like all was well. EVERYTHING was good up until that moment for most involved. Some at least saw the error of their ways. A few knew it was all fucked up from the get go and stood up for Bernie. So for anyone who wants to complain about me, who also happen to be one of the ones who signed up on that raffle and stood aside while that shit went down, because they wanted some dumb fucking neon sign, what does that say about your character and convictions exactly? Yeah, fucking thought so. And now you have the same selfish assholes posting and voting in here, getting irked that there is a slight, yet possible, risk that they may lose their shot at getting more shit from similar assholes, regardless of what others in the community may have to contend with, because their vast and endless greed trumps all else. Am I surprised? No, not in the least.

[thesteve]

now a feedback system i fully support.

[Bernie]

now a feedback system i fully support.

Ditto.  It would be nice to have a feedback system.  So when guys like Canada ship in a cornflakes box, we can share.  lol.  I stil cannot believe that guy did that!

[CGQuarterly]

Half the people here saw Nazi Nick's fucking melt down and the shity treatment towards Bernie prior to said raffle and sales. Bernie, who GAVE far far more to this community then Nazi Nick ever did, was tossed aside, abandoned, in favor of some asshole simply because the guy was offering something shiny and new.

Many here decided to toss Bernie under the fucking bus for a pretty trinket UP UNTIL it ended up said obvious asshole just also happens to be a racist, and even after that many still wanted to continue on like all was well.

QFT.  And that's the reason that "self-policing" will never work around here. 

Chris

[SignOfZeta]

How is it not working?

[esteban]

Dont you think the endless complaints out of you do a good job of making this forum look like a toilet?

Professor is the urinal; I'm the toilet. But that's OK. See, we hire Esteban to follow us around and do damage control, cheering people up with his funny pictures. Unfortunately, poor old Esty is maxed out and the server limits how many times he can paste that Bonk smiley in a day, which is why we need to pinch the sphincter on the Asshole Recruitment Center, AKA, the sale forums.

Hfahahahhhahahahaahahaha.

[PunkCryborg]

this thread sucks. it's just causing conflict between members and is not productive at all seeing as everyone has atotally different opinion on the subject and the poll options are one sided. aaron can't even do regular updates on the forum so the chances of any substantial changes are little to none.

[VestCunt]

Conflict isn't necessarily a bad thing. "Conflict between members" is why we don't have neo nazis and gougers shipping games in corn flake boxes. Conflict can also build relationships. Friends aren't always made by being Mr. Nice Guy. Sometimes you have to duke it out first.

Will any change come from this thread? Probably not, but the "militant mods" thread accomplished something. And Aaron recently poked his head in and hooked up his Duo to play MSR, so you never know.

Regardless, I could read threads like this all day:

you can go pound salt in Hades while suffering a giant rubber dong up your ass for eternity for all the good it will do you,

[PCEngineHell]

this thread sucks. it's just causing conflict between members and is not productive at all seeing as everyone has atotally different opinion on the subject and the poll options are one sided. aaron can't even do regular updates on the forum so the chances of any substantial changes are little to none.

The poll options were not one sided. They specifically asked if there should be a rule set implemented, and if so, what types, and there was a option for those opposed, who don't agree at all that anything should be implemented and enforced (for mostly obvious fucking reasons). It just so happens that only one 3rd seem to support the last option and think this thread sucks, and that the majority DO WANT some kind of rule set and enforcement put in place of some type.

[SignOfZeta]

The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love assholes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.

[PunkCryborg]

The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love assholes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.

exactly its either you go along with profs idea or you love assholes so how is that not one sided. there have been plenty of new members with successful sales rid of drama and non gouging prices.

[Sparky]

Fuck lets not get into this on Xmas eve, your right punk there are some good noobs out there selling but there is a hell of a track record this year of bad ones! I wish Nat would come back as he was a great mod, and a good voice for the majority on those new guy sellers that needed some direction .... All I want for Xmas is a mod with a voice.

[PCEngineHell]

The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love assholes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.

The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love assholes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.

exactly is either you go along with profs idea or you love asshole so how is that not one sided. there have been plenty of new members with successful sales vid of drama and non for prices.

Given this poll has run for 9 days and no ones popped on to specifically post saying thats why they have not voted, thats just speculation in favor of the minority, implying its far larger then what it obviously is. The fact is, not having a dealer rule set in place has supported the current asshole reseller problem currently on hand. Buying from said assholes means supporting said assholes, because you are doing exactly what they want. The main buyers from them seem to be the minority. You may not like the wording, because its brutal honesty doesn't paint said whining minority in a positive light, but sorry, there's no way you can spin that shit any other way.

There is NOTHING positive about buying from, and thus supporting, noob brat asshole resellers. They come here and get exactly what they want. It sends the wrong message, that they can come here, walk all over anyone they choose, then leave, and the bulk of us will put up with it so that the few who bought from them can get their supposed good deals (that have to be haggled for half the time anyway and end up just being ebay prices mainly). A rule set in place would, if not eliminate it completely, then at least minimize these issues. Those who love buying games from people will still be able to do so from said new sellers willing to stick it out and go through the proper process. Those not willing to stick it out, they can be shown the door. This kind of system works on multiple other FAR LARGER forums. There is ZERO reason why it would not work here as well. No ones asking moderators to step in and suggest pricing, trade values, etc. Just simply set up some requirements and enforce them regarding new people joining here.

[SignOfZeta]

Would some one please just make Mike a mod so we won't have to deal with this shit anymore?