WTB Coryoon

[Sarumaru]

I wanna review it but I don't think it's worth the 200+ dollars ebay is asking for. So in short, anybody got a decent copy or know where I can get one without the rape? RAEP

[Lochlan]

Buy an everdrive?  $200 for a complete copy would be considered cheap these days.

[poponon]

Buy an everdrive?  $200 for a complete copy would be considered cheap these days.

was thinking the same thing

[Sarumaru]

Buy an everdrive?  $200 for a complete copy would be considered cheap these days.

Hmm.. this makes me regret not picking it up from YAJ for that price now. I had no idea that it was worth that much nowadays.

[Arkhan Asylum]

If you just want to review it, get a ROM and a flash card.

and if you're going to review it, at least play it for more than an hour.  Coryoon is a game that needs to be played through a few times to fully appreciate it, with all its powerups, and nonsense.

[Opethian]

be a score hoar, eat more fruits

[MotherGunner]

be a score hoar, eat more fruits

And get the T-Shirt!

http://www.redbubble.com/people/psurg/works/4932509-coryoon?p=t-shirt

[SplatterTrigger]

Good luck getting a copy for a fair price. It's a great game in my opinion. I picked mine up for $175 a couple years ago.

[pulstar]

Awesome game. Better than Magical Chase IMO. Good luck finding a reasonably priced one (I managed to last year from another forum - around $175 excluding shipping).

[hoobs88]

I picked up the "Chu card" version for around $35.

[MotherGunner]

Chu card?

[CrackTiger]

Chu card?

Bootleg.

[Sarumaru]

Maybe I'll talk to a certain someone about that chu - or maybe I'll ED it, but I'd like to use real everything for the review, at least real hardware. I'm not a fan of emulation so much. Especially for review purposes, I don't want to come off like I endorse that sort of thing.

[geise]

Yeah it's not a $60 game like it was about 5 years ago.  Even the overpriced japangamestock.com had it for $60 around then.

[hoobs88]

Chu card?

[munchiaz]

Def get a everdrive. It is the same thing as playing the actual HuCard on the hardware.

[poponon]

Maybe I'll talk to a certain someone about that chu - or maybe I'll ED it, but I'd like to use real everything for the review, at least real hardware. I'm not a fan of emulation so much. Especially for review purposes, I don't want to come off like I endorse that sort of thing.

ED isn't emulation though. Why not endorse it?

[NecroPhile]

ED isn't emulation though.

Sure it is; it's hardware that emulates real hueys.

[poponon]

ED isn't emulation though.

Sure it is; it's hardware that emulates real hueys.

There's no difference with a flashcart versus real cart on the screen though. Both are running the same rom on original hardware

I should have been more specific in that you're not emulating the console hardware, which is all that really matters. I would say more that it replicates a real cart rather than emulates.

[poponon]

I thought this deserved another post,  talking on another forum about this and had someone explain it a bit more eloquently :

"Emulating a cart" doesn't make any sense, really. There is no difference between an Everdrive and an actual cart, technically speaking. Underneath that cart, the same ROM is there, waiting to be loaded and played. Using an Everdrive just means you have a cart that can load any ROM you want, and each ROM is assumedly ripped straight from an original cartridge. There is exactly zero difference.

Emulating the actual hardware is a HUGE difference. Emulators are built by reverse-engineering the console itself, through all manner of hacky shit. Honestly don't know how people do it entirely, but I assume it's probably by analyzing ROMs and seeing what system calls are made and what the expected behavior is, along with knowledge of the hardware itself.

The caveat is that these emulators wind up being inaccurate in several ways, whether it be framerate, sound, resolution, etc. Whatever it is. Emulator accuracy is a huge deal to a lot of people, and the best way to avoid having to deal with an Emulator is just to play on the original hardware to begin with.



Someone else also chimed in:

Emulation typically means you're attempting to mimic or recreate how the original hardware handled specific code (the game). The game is the same, whether it's on an SD card, flash cart, USB drive, etc. The important part is how that code is interpreted. Emulator typically involve a combination of reverse engineering, documentation, guesswork, and general programming skill. Not to mention that the emulator can produce wildly different results based on the hardware and OS it's running on. The game code is always the same, and is never technically emulated.

[NecroPhile]

Whether it makes sense to you or not, a flash cart most certainly is a device that emulates the functionality of the hardware found in original cartridges.  It's less apparent in the case of PCE hucards, which are comparatively simple, but it's quite obvious when it comes to NES or SNES games (flashcarts don't have dozens of real add-on chips on board).

[poponon]

Whether it makes sense to you or not, a flash cart most certainly is a device that emulates the functionality of the hardware found in original cartridges.  It's less apparent in the case of PCE hucards, which are comparatively simple, but it's quite obvious when it comes to NES or SNES games (flashcarts don't have dozens of real add-on chips on board).

It doesn't imitate the function of an actual cart though, it replicates it. The console hardware is reading the exact same data as an actual cart. Seems more of a semantic issue to me - I think it's most common that people refer to emulation in gaming as console hardware reverse-engineering to run on new PC hardware. This introduces error to the game playing experience. So I don't think "emulation" would be the proper way to describe flashcarts.

And for the special chips, flashcarts are getting better. SD2SNES almost covers all of the special chip games now. If someone was so inclined they could butcher carts for the original special chips and make a flashcart with full compatibility from my understanding. For those few that aren't compatible, then they may be worth buying until flash carts catch up. Usually not considering the price though, imo.

[NecroPhile]

Look up the definition of hardware emulation. 

The fact is that original cartridges do not function in the same way that flash carts function.  Something like a chucard replicates an original huey, whereas a flashcart emulates them.

[poponon]

Look up the definition of hardware emulation. 

The fact is that original cartridges do not function in the same way that flash carts function.  Something like a chucard replicates an original huey, whereas a flashcart emulates them.

In integrated circuit design, hardware emulation is the process of imitating the behavior of one or more pieces of hardware (typically a system under design) with another piece of hardware, typically a special purpose emulation system.

 
Look up the definition of imitation. Flashcarts replicate the function of original carts

[NecroPhile]

Right, because hucards boot to a menu, use microcontrollers that allow them to read serial memory, and load games into onboard ram instead of allowing the console to run it straight from the rom. 

Flashcarts replicate the functionality of the original cartridge, true, but they do it by emulating the hardware found in said cartridges.  Did your mom drop you on your head a lot? 

[poponon]

Right, because hucards boot to a menu, use microcontrollers that allow them to read serial memory, and load games into onboard ram instead of allowing the console to run it straight from the rom. 

Flashcarts replicate the functionality of the original cartridge, true, but they do it by emulating the hardware found in said cartridges.  Did your mom drop you on your head a lot? 

Resorting to childish name calling and eye rolling. Very mature moderators around here.

How does loading the game from ram versus rom change the end function of the hardware at all? I guess you could say that you are "emulating" the hardware of an original cart, but this only goes so far as to provide data for the original hardware to read. The exact same end result. Nothing "emulated" about the game playing experience.

[NecroPhile]

Resorting to childish name calling and eye rolling. Very mature moderators around here.

I roll my eyes at you because your continued ignorance and seemingly purposeful misuse of dictionary definitions is frustrating, and I didn't actually call you a name at all.  It's called levity, chief, or maybe just a joke at your expense.

How does loading the game from ram versus rom change the end function of the hardware at all?

If you mean the end function of the console, it doesn't matter at all, but that's not the point.  Whether or not it's transparent to the console doesn't change the fact that the flash cart itself is hardware emulating a real cart.

[poponon]

Resorting to childish name calling and eye rolling. Very mature moderators around here.

I roll my eyes at you because your continued ignorance and seemingly purposeful misuse of dictionary definitions is frustrating, and I didn't actually call you a name at all.  It's called levity, chief, or maybe just a joke at your expense.

I understand where you're coming from, but it's ignorant to define flashcarts as emulation given the use of this word in the gaming community as a whole. It could send misinformation to readers. Also your comment "Did your mom drop you on your head" is pretty offensive.

[pulstar]

Can a mask rom be emulated? I suppose so, it is an active component (not passive such as a resistor or whatever) in a circuit . Does it really matter? No. Somebody wants to buy a Coryoon here (and actually play it rather than have it in a collection) ...surely that's more important than semantics.

[BigusSchmuck]

Chu card?

I still need to get one of those. lol.

[NecroPhile]

... it's ignorant to define flashcarts as emulation given the use of this word in the gaming community as a whole. It could send misinformation to readers.

You still don't understand the difference between hardware emulation and software emulation, eh?  Don't fret, someday you'll get a clue.

Also your comment "Did your mom drop you on your head" is pretty offensive.

Indeed.  On the offense-ometer, it's one step ahead of claiming your dad buys his suits off the rack and just behind calling someone a doody head.

[Sarumaru]

I thought this deserved another post,  talking on another forum about this and had someone explain it a bit more eloquently :

"Emulating a cart" doesn't make any sense, really. There is no difference between an Everdrive and an actual cart, technically speaking. Underneath that cart, the same ROM is there, waiting to be loaded and played. Using an Everdrive just means you have a cart that can load any ROM you want, and each ROM is assumedly ripped straight from an original cartridge. There is exactly zero difference.

Emulating the actual hardware is a HUGE difference. Emulators are built by reverse-engineering the console itself, through all manner of hacky shit. Honestly don't know how people do it entirely, but I assume it's probably by analyzing ROMs and seeing what system calls are made and what the expected behavior is, along with knowledge of the hardware itself.

The caveat is that these emulators wind up being inaccurate in several ways, whether it be framerate, sound, resolution, etc. Whatever it is. Emulator accuracy is a huge deal to a lot of people, and the best way to avoid having to deal with an Emulator is just to play on the original hardware to begin with.



Someone else also chimed in:

Emulation typically means you're attempting to mimic or recreate how the original hardware handled specific code (the game). The game is the same, whether it's on an SD card, flash cart, USB drive, etc. The important part is how that code is interpreted. Emulator typically involve a combination of reverse engineering, documentation, guesswork, and general programming skill. Not to mention that the emulator can produce wildly different results based on the hardware and OS it's running on. The game code is always the same, and is never technically emulated.

[Gredler]

I thought this deserved another post,  talking on another forum about this and had someone explain it a bit more eloquently :

"Emulating a cart" doesn't make any sense, really. There is no difference between an Everdrive and an actual cart, technically speaking. Underneath that cart, the same ROM is there, waiting to be loaded and played. Using an Everdrive just means you have a cart that can load any ROM you want, and each ROM is assumedly ripped straight from an original cartridge. There is exactly zero difference.

Emulating the actual hardware is a HUGE difference. Emulators are built by reverse-engineering the console itself, through all manner of hacky shit. Honestly don't know how people do it entirely, but I assume it's probably by analyzing ROMs and seeing what system calls are made and what the expected behavior is, along with knowledge of the hardware itself.

The caveat is that these emulators wind up being inaccurate in several ways, whether it be framerate, sound, resolution, etc. Whatever it is. Emulator accuracy is a huge deal to a lot of people, and the best way to avoid having to deal with an Emulator is just to play on the original hardware to begin with.



Someone else also chimed in:

Emulation typically means you're attempting to mimic or recreate how the original hardware handled specific code (the game). The game is the same, whether it's on an SD card, flash cart, USB drive, etc. The important part is how that code is interpreted. Emulator typically involve a combination of reverse engineering, documentation, guesswork, and general programming skill. Not to mention that the emulator can produce wildly different results based on the hardware and OS it's running on. The game code is always the same, and is never technically emulated.

In all honesty, this thread has sold me on getting an everdrive for my Turbo.. The research begins

[NecroPhile]

In all honesty, this thread has sold me on getting an everdrive for my Turbo.. The research begins

Perhaps you're already aware, but there's a new version of the ED coming soon.  It won't make much difference for playing existing games, but it'd be worth waiting for for homebrew and translations (hopefully).

[Gredler]

In all honesty, this thread has sold me on getting an everdrive for my Turbo.. The research begins

Perhaps you're already aware, but there's a new version of the ED coming soon.  It won't make much difference for playing existing games, but it'd be worth waiting for for homebrew and translations (hopefully).

Thanks, that is good to know. I believe I had read this somewhere, but it's great to get affirmation about that. Even if I didn't want the new version, the older version may drop in price due to this new release. I'll keep an eye out. I saw a review of this game, Coryoon, on Turboviews, and it made me interested, but upon seeing the price of this game an some of the other PCE games, I imagine the ED is the only way to afford playing most of the games on the system. Thanks!

[poponon]

Still wondering why you don't support flashcarts

[poponon]

... it's ignorant to define flashcarts as emulation given the use of this word in the gaming community as a whole. It could send misinformation to readers.

You still don't understand the difference between hardware emulation and software emulation, eh?  Don't fret, someday you'll get a clue.

I take it you don't leave these forums too often, but in the retro gaming community as a whole where emulation normally denotes console emulating, likening flashcarts to emulation is like saying burning CD's for turboCD is emulation. You could stretch this to say that playing Turbo is "emulating" experiences from your childhood.  It's an issue of semantics - flashcarts shouldn't be referred to as emulation despite technically emulating cart pcb components. There is nothing "emulated" about the playing experience. it's the exact same as using a real cart. I know this might be hard to understand when you're so deep into a "collection" of sorts

Indeed.  On the offense-ometer, it's one step ahead of claiming your dad buys his suits off the rack and just behind calling someone a doody head.

So where does that leave the offender?

[Sarumaru]

Still wondering why you don't support flashcarts

I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.

[poponon]

I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.

I see what you mean and definitely agree. Do you have a youtube channel to check out?

[HailingTheThings]

However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.

[Sarumaru]

However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.

Help me procure one and you can watch.

[HailingTheThings]

However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.

Help me procure one and you can watch.

Browse ya and ebay everyday for hours until one in your price range appears. There eye helped.

*turns off lights and sparks cigarette*

[NecroPhile]

So where does that leave the offender?

Right here, laughing at the guy that will never understand what hardware emulation is.

[Sarumaru]

However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.

Help me procure one and you can watch.

Browse ya and ebay everyday for hours until one in your price range appears. There eye helped.

*turns off lights and sparks cigarette*

Okay, I am gonna hold out my hand and you can place Coryoon in it. K? Only after, brown chicken brown cow.

[Sarumaru]

I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.

I see what you mean and definitely agree. Do you have a youtube channel to check out?

I do but currently there's no PC Engine content there yet, I am having trouble getting game recording devices to recognize the component video feed from my Duo. I have a component dongle for PC, an Elgato recorder and a Hauppauge Rocket portable and none of these things see the feed. And I really don't want to use composite because it looks like absolute sh!t. Anyone go any ideas? In any case, here's my newest youtube channel, it's still a baby:

https://www.youtube.com/c/SarumaruArts

[poponon]

So where does that leave the offender?

Right here, laughing at the guy that will never understand what hardware emulation is.

I've already stated that I understand that how someone might consider flashcarts hardware emulation, regardless that it has zero effect on the gameplay experience. I'll just keep wondering why you keep avoiding the semantic issue of the matter. Stay classy

I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.

I see what you mean and definitely agree. Do you have a youtube channel to check out?

I do but currently there's no PC Engine content there yet, I am having trouble getting game recording devices to recognize the component video feed from my Duo. I have a component dongle for PC, an Elgato recorder and a Hauppauge Rocket portable and none of these things see the feed. And I really don't want to use composite because it looks like absolute sh!t. Anyone go any ideas? In any case, here's my newest youtube channel, it's still a baby:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4pMpNXpErJcmWG8PWgPZsg 

Cool, I've checked out some of your videos - lots of high quality stuff. Be sure to let everyone know when you upload pc engine stuff!!

As for recording game footage, I've never tried but maybe running an upscaler into the elgato is worth a shot? I'm sure someone around here should be able to help you out with that

[NecroPhile]

Keep arguing with the dictionary.  It makes you look extra smart.

[poponon]

Keep arguing with the dictionary.  It makes you look extra smart.

I think you may need to work on your reading comprehension.  it's a semantic issue.

[NecroPhile]

Hardly.  You say 'someone might consider flashcarts hardware emulation', which implies that you continue to think it's not; then you go on to blather about gameplay experience, which has absolutely nothing to do with anything.  Ergo the dictionary must be wrong.

[poponon]

Hardly.  You say 'someone might consider flashcarts hardware emulation', which implies that you continue to think it's not; then you go on to blather about gameplay experience, which has absolutely nothing to do with anything.  Ergo the dictionary must be wrong.

This is exactly why it's a semantic issue - people ascribe different meanings to certain words; People use different dictionaries. Yes - flashcarts are hardware-based emulation of maskrom based carts. This is where semantics comes in - most people relate "emulation" in gaming to console emulation along with it's negative connotation. This is why I mention the lack of any difference between playing an actual cart versus a flashcart. So - "emulation" is a poor choice of words to describe a flashcart. That's all

Also I'm sorry if I write too formally, I'm in school and have to write this way most of the time.