3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?

[MissaFX]

That's another thing, why do people hate on the 3D0? EVERY SINGLE GAME IN THAT ENTIRE LIBRARY IS A FUCKING GEM. A FUCKING GEM!

A lot of people hate on the 3DO simply because they have never owned one.  It is a nice system with an interesting library of software.  The goldstar controllers and JPN Panasonic ones with the headphone in the controller port was one of the best ideas in gaming, ever.  I love playing Starblade on the 3DO while enjoying blaring sound from my Sony V6 headphones.

Not to mention I have never been able to get a PC to run Megarace without stuttering in the video, but with the 3DO I can show off the crapiness of each FMV segment, in all its b-movie glory.  Oh yeah and Sewer Shark on the 3DO is lightyears ahead of the Sega CD version in terms of quality, same with Night Trap.  Night Trap plays like a working piece of software on the 3DO.  The quality is good enough you can actually tell what the things are you are supposed to interact with   Having Creature Shock on the TV with all the lights off and the stereo on still gets my heart going at times.  Strahl is also a great anime FMV game, which is actually more playable than frustrating.  Really, only a few rare parts of the game might kill you, but it's still fun to watch/play. 

And I pimp it in nearly every 3DO thread I write in, Digital Dreamware is a fun title but impossible to emulate.  The 3DO itself is not powerful (the software could probably be optimised some too) to run the real time graphics at times.  Not that they are super impressive, but they are pretty retro.

The following is a list I made on another site of the 3DO games I had played I liked:
Another World
Brain Dead 13 (does not stutter like the PS1 version! gives directions on screen unlike PS1 version!!!)
Creature Shock
2 D&D games
Digital Dreamware
Dragons Lair 2: Time Warp
Flashback
Gex (the best version by far)
Lucienne's Quest
Lucienne's Quest 2 (only in Japanese)
Megarace (again the best version, I only call this good for the priceless clips between the races, priceless)
Policenauts with addons (again in Japanese, but worth checking out for Kojima fans)
Pyramid Intruder (sweet jeebis, this game rocks!!! Unless you own the LD version it's the only other way to play it)
Return Fire - RTS goodness, yes the 3DO had a few RTSs (even a mouse)
Sewer Shark (again, by far the best version of the game ever released)
Shockwave
Shockwave Operation Jumpgate
Shockwave 2
Space Ace (though the death screen could be better, less intrusive)
Space Hulk (much better than PC version, more missions)
Star Control 2 - Gods Own Copy...well that's what I call it at least
Strahl
Starblade (for some reason the best version also...even though superior consoles have done it since)
The Last Starfighter
The Horde

Lastly one of the best things about many of the 3DO models is that they have a tray based CD drive and an access light

[Kitsunexus]

You forgot Iron Angel of the Apocalypse, Wicked 18 (also on SNES), Neurodancer (although I doubt you would want to play that  ), Immercenary, Killing Time (I like this on PC), and of course, PRIMAL RAGE!!!!

[WoodyXP]

It was hated back in the day.. I can tell you that.  It was expensive.. like $700+ expensive and not too long after it was released
the Saturn and Playstation were released and ended up selling for alot less.  Developers started favoring the Playstation and everything
went down hill from there.

It was a good system... but it got undercut by the cheaper, technically superior consoles.

[nat]

Hahaha, 3DO.

The only thing I know about the 3DO is the commercials. Shit I remember those like it was yesterday. Those commercials were like a fucking filibuster, constantly, every commercial break back in like '93 or whenever it was.

I've never been terribly interested in the console, although I remember those commercials made it seem like it was the wave of the future.

[WoodyXP]

Hahaha, 3DO.

The only thing I know about the 3DO is the commercials. Shit I remember those like it was yesterday. Those commercials were like a fucking filibuster, constantly, every commercial break back in like '93 or whenever it was.

I've never been terribly interested in the console, although I remember those commercials made it seem like it was the wave of the future.

Word.. they also had paid commercials that ran for like 30mins.  They made me drool to be honest... but after witnessing one first hand at my Rich-Kid friend's house
I came back down to earth.  I still dig the system... but damn.. $700?  If you factor in inflation the 3D0 is probably the most expensive console of all time.. and it
ended up shitting the bed.

[Joe Redifer]

Gex (the best version by far)

Yeah, if you like crap.  The 3DO version scrolls extremely jerky.  The Saturn version scrolls smoothly and as a result is much more playable (it also helps that the Saturn has a real controller).  The game is still boring on any platform, though.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I can't think of a system I hate.  The closest would be the Xbox, with the Xbox 360 right next to it, because I hate Bill Gates.  Otherwise, I love it all....well, Game.com is pretty crappy, can't think of any games on it I enjoy, but, even stuff like the Gamate & Super Vision, I dig.

Games I dig, for one reason, or another, on the 3DO, taken from my list of games I own:
Ballz
Battlesport
Blade Force
Bust-A-Move
Cannon Fodder
Captain Quazar
Crash n Burn
Cyberdillo
Dragon Lore
Fifa Soccer
Fun 'N' Games
Gex
Gridders
Guardian War
The Horde
Ice Breaker
The Incredible Machine
Insector War
Jammit
Kingdom: The Far Reaches
Lost Eden
Lucienne's Quest
Mazer
The Need for Speed
Off World Interceptor
Olympic Soccer
Out of this World
Phoenix 3
PO'ed
Policenauts
Return Fire
Return Fire Map's o' Death
Road Rash
Samurai Showdown
Scramble Cobra
Shockwave Operation
Shockwave Operation Jumpgate
Shockwave 2
Slam n Jam 95
Soccer Kid
Space Hulk
Star Fighter
Star Wars Rebel Assault
Strahl
Syndicate
Theme Park
Total Eclipse
Trip'd
Wolfenstien 3D

[Kitsunexus]

Gex (the best version by far)

Yeah, if you like crap.  The 3DO version scrolls extremely jerky.  The Saturn version scrolls smoothly and as a result is much more playable (it also helps that the Saturn has a real controller).  The game is still boring on any platform, though.

Exactly. Gex 2: Enter the Gecko for PS1 is the BEST Gex ever!

I can't think of a system I hate.  The closest would be the Xbox, with the Xbox 360 right next to it, because I hate Bill Gates.

That's just stupid. Xbox 360 has a TON of great games, plus XBL Arcade is really good, and even the original Xbox had some great games like Jet Set Radio Future, and it can be hacked into a great media center.

[MissaFX]

I never knew there was a Gex on the Saturn.  Can you save your gameplay with it as well and watch it again?

[nat]

I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the fuck is wrong with you?!?

I can't think of a system I hate.  The closest would be the Xbox, with the Xbox 360 right next to it, because I hate Bill Gates.

That's just stupid. Xbox 360 has a TON of great games, plus XBL Arcade is really good, and even the original Xbox had some great games like Jet Set Radio Future, and it can be hacked into a great media center.

But the Micropenis is evil and doesn't deserve to be supported in any way.

[Kitsunexus]

I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live.

I was up 'til 5:00AM last night.

What the fuck is wrong with you?!?

I have no life.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Meh, there's no games that really interest me.  For instance, I've played Halo 3 & Gears of War.  They're ok, but, I don't want to own them.  Maybe if they were on PS3, & were budget priced, I'd think about picking up Halo, cuz it's decent, but, to me, it's overhyped, which is annoying.  I have some Xbox games, & 1 360 game(Perfect Dark, stupid Microsoft owns Rare) for the day when I may pick up a 360....when the price drops really low, & their systems stop dying on people(most the people I know around here, are on their 2nd or 3rd 360...I'm still on my 1st PS2 from 2002

[MissaFX]

I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the fuck is wrong with you?!?

I'm watching the Fururama marathon, any self respecting person is dawg.  Fo' real.

[Kitsunexus]

stupid Microsoft owns Rare

I used to be pissed too, but hear me out, after I let my fanboy hardon shrivel, I saw the truth: Nintendo was just being smart buisness-wise.

They knew that while Rare was a good developer, they were NOWHERE near godlike status, but they sold them as such, and made a killing, while Rare's Microsoft efforts have been well, lackluster to say the least.

So honestly, can you really blame Nintendo? They just saw the writing on the wall and did something about it. That's Nintendo for you, to us it looks like they make stupid mistakes, but they're not stupid, they know what they're doing (take off every Zig).

I'm watching the Fururama marathon, any self respecting person is dawg.  Fo' real.

Wow, Japanese Futurama! ^_^ 

[WoodyXP]

I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the fuck is wrong with you?!?

I've always thought the same thing... being on the other side of the world and all.  I'm glad you all stay awake.. keeps me company.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I agree, the only decent thing to come out of Rare post Nintendo, is Perfect Dark Zero, which I have yet to play, I just hear it's ok.  But, even though I'm not a big FPS'ist (I made a new word!), I LOVED the original Perfect Dark, so, yeah, I had to get the prequal.

[PCEngineHell]

I loved the 3DO. To me it had the most interesting titles,and yea pretty much the best version of Mega Race. Crash and Burn was great also,infact any Cristal Dynamics titles were top notch. I had no probs with Gex on 3DO,and rather ran it instead of the Saturn or PSX one. I didnt notice any jerky movement to be honest. Always played the 3DO in s-video too.

Some of my very fav titles for the system are Road Rash,NFS,D,Crash and Burn,heck,all the Cristal Dynamics titles really,Way of the Warrior (yes I can do the combos,special moves, and fatalities just fine),Bust a Move,Samurai Showdown,Super SF2 Turbo,Trip'd,Star Blade,Burning Soldier,Strale,Guardian War,Primal Rage,Wolfenstien 3D,Out of this World,FlashBack,Mega Race,Syndicate,Shockwave series,esp part 2,Wing Commander 3 and Super Wing Commander,Demolition Man,Return Fire, Panzer General,Slayer, and many others.

Thats  a system I never tire of. I am going to have to pick one up again soon. Its been  a couple of years since I last had  a couple of decks, back when I was with my ex,and she always complained of space and my hobbies.....bad memories.... 

[guyjin]

I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the fuck is wrong with you?!?

I have a 2nd shift job - from 1 to 9 pm, central time. I'm not a morning person, so I've gotten in the habit of waking up at 10 or 11 AM and going to bed at 2 or 3.

The 3D0 interests me. I keep meaning to pick one up (right after that 7800); I'm sure it can't be worse than the playstation. But it can't be as good as the Saturn.

The 360 is a decent system. Not as good as the Wii, of course, but good. There are a few of it's live arcade games that I'm sure most of you would love (geometry wars, pac man CE, and Castlevania:SotN) and a few discs too (Wartech:senko no ronde, Dead Rising, and idolm@ster, if they ever bring it over.)

[SignOfZeta]

The 3D0 interests me. I keep meaning to pick one up (right after that 7800); I'm sure it can't be worse than the playstation. But it can't be as good as the Saturn.

I hate to break it to you but the 3DO, no matter what anyone says here, was a piece of a shit, and it still is. The only game I can imagine playing on it in the year 2007 is Return Fire (and the Maps of Death expansion) because I prefer the iconic Willys MB to a stupid Hummer in the PS version.

I'm a hardcore Saturn fan and I didn't buy my Playstation until 2002, but the truth is that the system had such a massive library that it accidentally ended up hosting, at the very least, 30-40 good titles, which is ten times the quality library of the 3DO.

People who defend the 3DO are the same sort that defend the Jag (although even the 3DO is better than the Jag, if for no other reason that it having Policenauts). It takes a severe politically motivated slant to defend garbage like that. Even the games that were in fact worth playing at the time, such as SSFIIX, SamShow, and Policenauts were later (or previously) made availible on other systems as superior versions. SamShow has horrible sound for some reason, SFII has no parallax, etc.

Also, that virtual house game as the worst loading time of any game on any system in history.

If you'd like a list of PS exclusive games a Saturn lover would totally dig:

Gunners Heaven (JP)
Super Robot Wars Alpha (JP)
Love and Destroy (JP)
Zeta Gundam (JP)
The Italian Job (US)
Any of the Gundam Battle Master/Battle Assault series. I would recommend the US release, Gundam: Battle Assault 2.
Choro Q 3 (or 1, or 2 for that matter)
The entire Point Blank series
Eretzvaju (JP)
Power Shovel (I think there is a US release)
Remote Control Dandy
Touge Max G (JP)
Asuka 120% Burning Fest. Final (JP)
Gamera 2000 (JP)
Tobal 2 (JP)
RC Stunt Copter (US)
RD de Go! (US)
I.Q. Intelligent Qube (I think there is a US version, not sure)

And a crapload more. Notice I didn't mention Turismo, FF, RE, or any of that other shit. Those are all PS exclusive (I think) and if a US version was available I mentioned it except for Eretzvaju because the US version sucks.

BTW, I was just looking around at this stuff and noticed that evidently a PS version of Radikal Bikers, a game I loved in the arcade, was released in 1999. That is news to me. I'll have to see if its any good...

[PCEngineHell]

Most of the titles I listed were done best on or are 3DO exclusives,and Sam Sho 1 on PS1 import Sam 1/2 collection was not as good  a port over all. The 3DO one was handled much better. Super SF 2 Turbo was ported over well in a SF Alpha 2/SSF2 set for Saturn and PS1,but regardless of this the 3DO one was nice,the paralax being the only flaw,and that is a minor gripe.

I totally respect your opinion on how YOU feel about the games,but that doesn't make the games we like for the system complete garbage. Its just a matter of differing opinions.  The only way a person will know for sure if they likes the stuff or not is to try it themselves,not to take everyones word for it.

[PCEngineHell]

If you'd like a list of PS exclusive games a Saturn lover would totally dig:

Gunners Heaven (JP)
Super Robot Wars Alpha (JP)
Love and Destroy (JP)
Zeta Gundam (JP)
The Italian Job (US)
Any of the Gundam Battle Master/Battle Assault series. I would recommend the US release, Gundam: Battle Assault 2.
Choro Q 3 (or 1, or 2 for that matter)
The entire Point Blank series
Eretzvaju (JP)
Power Shovel (I think there is a US release)
Remote Control Dandy
Touge Max G (JP)
Asuka 120% Burning Fest. Final (JP)
Gamera 2000 (JP)
Tobal 2 (JP)
RC Stunt Copter (US)
RD de Go! (US)
I.Q. Intelligent Qube (I think there is a US version, not sure)

A good example of what I said would be how on this list of yours the only titles I like are Tobal 2,Asuka 120,and Gunners Heaven. The other titles you listed gave me no enjoyment at all...just shows how much opinions and likes of titles can differ.

[WoodyXP]

The 3DO for what it is today is pretty decent, IMO.  It's cheap fun.. for $50 you can get a system and a little
pile of games and go at it.  Cheap fun is good... ironically this is what turned me on to the 3DO. 

[SignOfZeta]

Most of the titles I listed were done best on or are 3DO exclusives,and Sam Sho 1 on PS1 import Sam 1/2 collection was not as good  a port over all.

Yes, that is why I referred to multi-platform games on 3DO that, "...were later (or previously) made availible on other systems as superior versions". "Previously" being the case here with SamShow. Until the PS2 collection comes out (Is it ever coming out? Did it already come out?) there still hasn't been a good port of SS1. Hilariously at the time the Neo Geo was actually a cheaper system than the 3DO. Nowadays an MVS or AES cart of SS1 can easily be had for less than $10 (probably cheaper than a copy of the 3DO version) although the system will obviously cost you some real cash.

Was SS1 the Geo game that came out in the US at $99.99? Or was that KOF95. I remember there being a really good high profile game that cost $99.99 as some sort of attempt to actually sell AES carts. I can't remember what it was though.

Super SF 2 Turbo was ported over well in a SF Alpha 2/SSF2 set for Saturn and PS1,but regardless of this the 3DO one was nice,the paralax being the only flaw,and that is a minor gripe.

At the time it was a minor gripe (so is the sucky sucky music in the 3DO version) but now that really good versions of Super Turbo have been released for PS2 and XBLA (also the not-quite perfect PS, and SS versions) the 3DO one is basically worthless, isn't it? No, its worse than worthless because on the 3DO you are going to have to fuck around trying to find a decent controller or build a 3DO stick since it is SF after all, and if you can't control it, it has no purpose.

I totally respect your opinion on how YOU feel about the games,but that doesn't make the games we like for the system complete garbage. Its just a matter of differing opinions.  The only way a person will know for sure if they likes the stuff or not is to try it themselves,not to take everyones word for it.

Yeah, whatever, my point is that the PS, as much of a harbringer of doom it was for 2D lovers like myself, has way way way more good games if for no other reason than the fact that it just has a shitload of games in general. If you actually, truly, enjoy crap like Road Rash more than Choro Q 3...I just don't know what to say.

And if you like Way of the Warrior at all...you just like crap. With a spoon even.

Do you like Fight for Life more than Virtua Fighter also?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I like the 3DO now, but there's no way that I would've spent anywhere near $700 for a new one.  Sure it has a limited library, but the few gems that it does have are quite entertaining.

But the Micropenis is evil and doesn't deserve to be supported in any way.

I have equal disdain for all three companies.  Both Sony and Nintendo have a history of strong arming third party developers, and at least MS extended the warranties on the 360 (something Sony never did for the failure prone PS1 and PS2).

[PCEngineHell]

Most of the titles I listed were done best on or are 3DO exclusives,and Sam Sho 1 on PS1 import Sam 1/2 collection was not as good  a port over all.

Yes, that is why I referred to multi-platform games on 3DO that, "...were later (or previously) made availible on other systems as superior versions". "Previously" being the case here with SamShow. Until the PS2 collection comes out (Is it ever coming out? Did it already come out?) there still hasn't been a good port of SS1. Hilariously at the time the Neo Geo was actually a cheaper system than the 3DO. Nowadays an MVS or AES cart of SS1 can easily be had for less than $10 (probably cheaper than a copy of the 3DO version) although the system will obviously cost you some real cash.

Was SS1 the Geo game that came out in the US at $99.99? Or was that KOF95. I remember there being a really good high profile game that cost $99.99 as some sort of attempt to actually sell AES carts. I can't remember what it was though.

Super SF 2 Turbo was ported over well in a SF Alpha 2/SSF2 set for Saturn and PS1,but regardless of this the 3DO one was nice,the paralax being the only flaw,and that is a minor gripe.

At the time it was a minor gripe (so is the sucky sucky music in the 3DO version) but now that really good versions of Super Turbo have been released for PS2 and XBLA (also the not-quite perfect PS, and SS versions) the 3DO one is basically worthless, isn't it? No, its worse than worthless because on the 3DO you are going to have to fuck around trying to find a decent controller or build a 3DO stick since it is SF after all, and if you can't control it, it has no purpose.

I totally respect your opinion on how YOU feel about the games,but that doesn't make the games we like for the system complete garbage. Its just a matter of differing opinions.  The only way a person will know for sure if they likes the stuff or not is to try it themselves,not to take everyones word for it.

Yeah, whatever, my point is that the PS, as much of a harbringer of doom it was for 2D lovers like myself, has way way way more good games if for no other reason than the fact that it just has a shitload of games in general. If you actually, truly, enjoy crap like Road Rash more than Choro Q 3...I just don't know what to say.

And if you like Way of the Warrior at all...you just like crap. With a spoon even.

Do you like Fight for Life more than Virtua Fighter also?

You are resorting to more of  a insult/attack now just because I wont agree with you. Why should we all like what you like? Why are you being so whiny when no one agrees with you? Why do you have such a problem with people who don't agree with you? Why would you continue to post in a 3DO thread knowing you will have few if any who will relate to you in any way or agree with you. Why why why...... Seriously,you have already stressed your point that you hate the system,now you sound like a broken record.

 Every time 3DO comes up,you get all PMS about it.No,I don't like Fight for Life,it sucked hardcore and was unplayable,no matter what controller you used. I like Virtua Fighter quite a bit.More then Tekken infact. I also like Last Bronx and Fighting Vipers

 I have no interest in adding a PS 2 system to my line up at the moment. I have a few PS 2 titles set away for later,when I decide to get a deck again. I like the Samurai Showdown 1 port on 3DO no matter what,regardless of owning it on NeoGeo,so your argument there is moot. I love the music on the SSF2 Turbo port on 3DO,so again your point is moot,its only your expressed opinion,it doesn't apply to everyone here. Road Rash for 3DO is a classic,and it played better on it then on PS1 or Saturn. The only real good port of it from 3DO to anything was on PC. Same for NFS.

I have no problem with the 3DO FZ10 pads for games,or the FZ-1 after I modify it for better thumb pad movement. The Goldstar pad I hate.

[ParanoiaDragon]

So far, SNK has released the Metal Slug collection (1-6), Art of Fighting collection,(1-3) & Vol. 1 of the Fatal Fury games(1-3).  There's plenty more to come, hopefully they'll keep bringing them out.  I hope the 2 Last Blades are on some collection as well, though I do have the 2nd one for DC.  But, the Last Blades & Samurai Showdowns are probably still my favorite fighting series.  One thing I doubt, but hope for, is the NGCD version of SSRPG, that would rock being in english, though, I would feel bad for Deuce who's been translating it for a patch.

I never could get into the Choro Q games, I tried, but, I just didn't like em.  I do however love Road Rash for 3DO.  It's probably my favorite Road Rash game.

[MissaFX]

I have no problem with the 3DO FZ10 pads for games,or the FZ-1 after I modify it for better thumb pad movement. The Goldstar pad I hate.

Why?  Mine have better d-pads than the Panasinic ones or my 6-button junk controller.  The Goldstar ones are a little stiff at first, but once you break it in, I sware it is most accurate and comfortable 3DO d-pad (at least that I know of).

[PCEngineHell]

I have no problem with the 3DO FZ10 pads for games,or the FZ-1 after I modify it for better thumb pad movement. The Goldstar pad I hate.

Why?  Mine have better d-pads than the Panasinic ones or my 6-button junk controller.  The Goldstar ones are a little stiff at first, but once you break it in, I sware it is most accurate and comfortable 3DO d-pad (at least that I know of).

I couldn't use it on any of the fighters. It wasn't comfortable at all for me. It was about as bad as using the pad that came with Zhadnost: The People's Party. I hated that pad too. I'm very picky about what types of game pads I will use.

[Kitsunexus]

Weren't the Goldstar pads the legendary ones that you had to slightly unscrew to stop being stiff? Was that a production error or deisgn flaw?

[PCEngineHell]

Weren't the Goldstar pads the legendary ones that you had to slightly unscrew to stop being stiff? Was that a production error or deisgn flaw?

Actually it was some of the first FZ-1 pads that had that issue,but the trick was to unscrew the pads top area near the thumb pad,and insert a wedge of paper or cardboard in a area that wouldn't bother your hand. This would make the thumb pad much more lax and easier to use.

This trick did also work on the Goldstar and Zhadnost pad,but still didn't help the latter one much. These days with a dremel kit its easier to mod pads then it was in the early 90ies,as you have seen with my Nes Max pad.

[Kitsunexus]

Weren't the Goldstar pads the legendary ones that you had to slightly unscrew to stop being stiff? Was that a production error or deisgn flaw?

Actually it was some of the first FZ-1 pads that had that issue,but the trick was to unscrew the pads top area near the thumb pad,and insert a wedge of paper or cardboard in a area that wouldn't bother your hand. This would make the thumb pad much more lax and easier to use.

This trick did also work on the Goldstar and Zhadnost pad,but still didn't help the latter one much. These days with a dremel kit its easier to mod pads then it was in the early 90ies,as you have seen with my Nes Max pad.

Cool, thanks for the info! ^_^

[WoodyXP]

Try the FZ-JS1 Joystick if you're not enjoying the pads.  It's laid out like a Neo Geo stick.. with some extra buttons.. turbos.. ect.
It takes a little getting use to, since the buttons are a little more cranked to the left(your right index finger points closer to you)
but after you get past that it's not a bad stick.

[Seldane]

The 360 is a decent system. Not as good as the Wii, of course, but good.

Ha ha ha! You must be fucking kidding me! Your fanboyism never seizes to amaze! I actually thought you were one of those semi-fanboys that kinda like something other than Nintendo, but obviously you don't. You're just another retarded Nintendo fanboy. Name ONE fucking advantage the Wii has over the 360! ONE!

Man, Nintendo motherfucking sucks so much.

[SignOfZeta]

Ha ha ha! You must be fucking kidding me! Your fanboyism never seizes to amaze! I actually thought you were one of those semi-fanboys that kinda like something other than Nintendo, but obviously you don't. You're just another retarded Nintendo fanboy. Name ONE fucking advantage the Wii has over the 360! ONE!

OK PCEngineHell, I think in your quest to quash disagreement, and your love of mod censorship, you should probably start working on this facist zealot.

[PCEngineHell]

Weird,so I guess I'm a Nintendo fanboy also. I like the Wii more then the 360 also. I have alot more fun with it. Anything else released on 360 I want to play is on pc also,which I have too obviously. Currently this means I have no reason to own a 360 system. I prob will eventually,but just not right now.

I love first person shooters that are done well,but I can't play them with standard controllers.The Wiis fps titles were the first I could play well,otherwise I'm strictly a keyboard and mouse person on those so I stick to the pc versions. The NFS titles are always released on pc too.Typically this goes for about anything else on 360 I like,its also on PC.

I'm not on a quest to quash disagreement,I just think its stupid to make personal attacks at someone simply because they like games or systems you don't. Its low and pety. You don't have to like  it or understand it,but you def need to keep the insults or personal attacks to yourselves. Feel free to say why you hate the system all you want,I got no problem with that,just don't get all pissy when someone doesn't agree with you,k?

[guyjin]

The 360 is a decent system. Not as good as the Wii, of course, but good.

You're just another retarded Nintendo fanboy.

Then why do I have every Sega console other than the SG-1000?

Name ONE fucking advantage the Wii has over the 360! ONE!

I'll name several.
1) it's controllers are awesome. they're wireless and don't weigh a ton, like the wireless 360 controllers. If you don't think so, fine, but 13 million people disagree.

2) Better online strategy. YA RLY. It's a commonly known fact that the internet is made of a series of tubes, but did you know that these tubes are an infinite douche recycling system? Any online game is going to be filled with these douches. You can block/blacklist them all you want, but the internet will always make more.
For Smash Bros, (and online DS games, incidentally) it works on a whitelist system; only people you know can play with you. all the assholes are filtered out with no effort on your part. If one of your friends turns out to be an ass, you can remove them. It's pure genius.

3) it's not overloaded with FPSes. if you like that genre, fine, the 360 is the system for you. but I don't, and it seems like every other game for the 360 is an FPS.

4) good first party titles. I have yet to regret purchasing a game made by Nintendo for the Wii. I can't even name a Microsoft 1st party title. If that makes me a Nintendo fanboy, so be it.

[GUTS]

I like the 3D0, I had some good times with it after buying one for $50 back in 96 or so.  It's a way better system than Wii, that's for fucking sure.  The Wii is the harbinger of a return to the stone age of 3D gaming with its sub-PS2 graphics and retarded, ULTRA ridiculous controller that everybody pretends to like and calls "innovative" even though every fucking game is the same shit we've been playing for 10 years just with waggling instead of pressing a button.  Innovation is coming up with a new type of game idea- not a shitty, gimmicky, imprecise way to control old game ideas.

[PCEngineHell]

Weird lol,I thought the Wiis graphics were alot better then PS2 myself when games were compared side by side,and I love the controller set up on alot of games. It doesn't work for everything,but stuff made specifically for it works well. I have no complaints. Games for it will improve over time too as people learn to use the ATI graphics chip better and optimize for the cpu.

[CrackTiger]

1) it's controllers are awesome. they're wireless and don't weigh a ton, like the wireless 360 controllers. If you don't think so, fine, but 13 million people disagree.

They're still not as good for playing games with real controls and almost all Wii games make terrible use of the Wii controller features. Most decent Wii games would play better on a Gamecube pad.

Most things that are popular are crap that cater to the lowest common denominator, so popularity doesn't make the Wii controllers better(and I don't think that their are 13 million more Wiis than 360's sold).

2) Better online strategy. YA RLY. It's a commonly known fact that the internet is made of a series of tubes, but did you know that these tubes are an infinite douche recycling system? Any online game is going to be filled with these douches. You can block/blacklist them all you want, but the internet will always make more.
For Smash Bros, (and online DS games, incidentally) it works on a whitelist system; only people you know can play with you. all the assholes are filtered out with no effort on your part. If one of your friends turns out to be an ass, you can remove them. It's pure genius.

EGM had a feature recently, where they asked fans of non-Halo FPS's how their game better is than Halo 3. More than one game's players gave the excuse that because its so unpopular, they don't encounter as many assholes. Its kinda like arguing that the TG-16 was better than the Genesis and SNES because you couldn't find the hardware or games for sale in very many stores and when you did, you didn't have to fight anyone for the last copy.

But the "genius" asshole filtering system of Wii games is actually an extremely crude version of Xbox Live's Friends list. Most online games allow you to play with who you want, in custom games and other ways as well as matchmaking.

3) it's not overloaded with FPSes. if you like that genre, fine, the 360 is the system for you. but I don't, and it seems like every other game for the 360 is an FPS.

The 360 has the most variety of games of the 'current' generation. Everyone knows that the Wii is drowning in gimmicky garbage that Nintendo should be ashamed of granting licenses for in the first place. Other than waggle games, is their any other genre that the 360 doesn't crush the Wii(other than maybe platformers)?

The PC Engine may be overloaded with shooters, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a ton of other types of games too.

4) good first party titles. I have yet to regret purchasing a game made by Nintendo for the Wii. I can't even name a Microsoft 1st party title. If that makes me a Nintendo fanboy, so be it.

Unfortunately, their are only a handful of decent first party Wii games. You could argue that the top tier 360 exclusive titles don't greatly out number the Wii's(although Dave Halverson says the Wii only has 4), but it also has a bunch more quality titles that are exclusive to the 360/PS3.


And then their are still all the advantages that the Xbox 360 has over the Wii... but it doesn't really matter since people should just buy the console with the most games they want to play. Around here, it seems that most people would rather play Turbo/PCE games than any of the current gen consoles.

[guyjin]

The Wii is the harbinger of a return to the stone age of 3D gaming with its sub-PS2 graphics and retarded, ULTRA ridiculous controller that everybody pretends to like and calls "innovative" even though every fucking game is the same shit we've been playing for 10 years just with waggling instead of pressing a button.

Yeah, I don't actually like the wii. I've bought half a dozen games for the thing 'cuz I'm just pretending to like it. 
And I find it hilarious that you seem to think the 360, with all its rehashes of PC games, and the PS3, with its rehashes of 360 games, are more innovative than the wii.

[PCEngineHell]

I see both party's points of views,but the basic thing is I don't need a 360 because the best games,the majority  it has to offer me that I actually like,they are on PC already too and look and run better. One thing I can't get on Pc are the titles me and the kids enjoy on the Wii however. The Wii is more oriented towards the family,and kids,and I am totally fine with that,as it still has titles I want that are suited towards my interest,like the Resident Evils,Guilty Gear,Metal Slug Anthology,Metroid,Naruto,Bleach, and DBZ and others.


I think the features of the 360 were great,as it was finally a system that could give home system gamers the Pc experience gaming wise with high definition/resolution graphics and advanced audio. The hardware design was bad though as far as how many major flaws have been found. Also,the thing is though is that I have been enjoying the Pc experience for years now. There are a couple of unique titles not on pc,but I don't buy systems for just a couple of games. Also,I hate Halo.

[ParanoiaDragon]

BTW, back to 3DO, one game I think looks nice, especially for the time it was released, is this Grand Chef RPG game, I wish it had been localised.

[Keranu]

3DO is awesome.

[GUTS]

Hey dude I never said the 360 or PS3 were innovative, I said the Wii is NOT innovative.  Waggling a controller left or right instead of pressing a D-pad to do the same thing is just asinine, not innovative.  Nintendo's days of pushing game design forward are long, long over, now they have to rely on stupid gimmicks to sell their sub-par efforts.

[SignOfZeta]

I think you're just a colossal party pooping old man.

[GUTS]

If I was an old man I'd love the Wii, that's their target demographic.

[PCEngineHell]

LOL,from how the tv ads go,yea man. Its kinda annoying because I'm doubtful a single nursing home is employing Wiis and part of the entertainment/exercise regiment  Marketing to the wrong people for sure.

[Keranu]

Now I've defended the Wii on these forums before and being the ultra Wii fanboy snerd I am, I'll defend it again as I feel the Wii is definitely a step in the right direction for modern gaming.

The latest criticism that's been used against the Wii recently is "waggle". First it was two Gamecubes taped together, then it was the mini-games, and now the hip thing to say against it is how you play games by waggling controller. If you actually think about the games, there really isn't that much waggle motion that's being used. Do you simply just waggle to play Wii Sport's Bowling? Marble Mania? Metroid Prime 3? Good luck trying to beat those games just by waggling the controller. Granted there are some gimmicky games that just waggle the controller, like Twilight Princess (a game not exclusively designed for Wii), but sometimes waggling isn't even a bad thing. For instance to do the spin attack in Super Mario Galaxy you can just shack the controller in any fashion and it will execute and unlike Zelda, it actually feels really nice and appropriate and is very simple to do.

Just as I predicted last year, I said by the end of 2007, the Wii would have a pretty nice line up of games and online play would improve and I think both points are right. Most people don't realize it, but the Wii actually has a decent amount of good games right now and since all the attention is focused on Metroid, Mario, and Smash Bros., these games get ignored. Aside from the big exclusive Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy, other games worth playing would be (and not limited to):

Link's Crossbow Training (surprisingly a really good game)
Zack & Wiki (a revival of classic PC adventure style games)
NiGHTS Journey of Dreams (faithful to the original)
Guitar Hero III
Ghost Squad
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
Geometry Wars: Galaxies
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Trauma Center: New Blood
Batallion Wars II
Super Paper Mario

With at least three of those games offering true online play. While online play for Wii still isn't great, I think it has definitely improved since the beginning of the year and more and more games, both first and third party, are jumping on the online bandwagon. But personally, I think real life multiplayer is way more fun than online anyways.

There is one main (and obvious) advantage Wii has over the other systems and that's it's ability to attract everyone to play it. My parents love the damn thing so it's great to play games with people that I haven't really played with before. Oh and another advantage is that Wii will get you chicks while 360 and PS3 gives you zits. ;)

[Joe Redifer]

Do you simply just waggle to play Wii Sport's Bowling?

Yep. All it takes is a small flick of the wrist to throw strikes every time.  Those who feel that they need to stand up to play obviously aren't as smart as the controller.  I prefer playing games sitting down in a relaxed position, anyway.

Oh and another advantage is that Wii will get you chicks while 360 and PS3 gives you zits. ;)

No, from what I've seen, girls are not turned on by the Wii.  One girl I showed it to was freaked out by the odd "characters" in Wii bowling who had no arms or legs.

Also, I wish the Wii were as powerful as two Gamecubes taped together.  In reality it's closer to 1.2x the Gamecube.

[Keranu]

Do you simply just waggle to play Wii Sport's Bowling?

Yep. All it takes is a small flick of the wrist to throw strikes every time.  Those who feel that they need to stand up to play obviously aren't as smart as the controller.  I prefer playing games sitting down in a relaxed position, anyway.

Didn't care to comment on the other games, mentioned eh ;) ? You might be able to flick the controller in bowling, but from my experiences that was one game that didn't work well for me while sitting down. Besides standing up for that game feels great.

Oh and another advantage is that Wii will get you chicks while 360 and PS3 gives you zits. ;)

No, from what I've seen, girls are not turned on by the Wii.  One girl I showed it to was freaked out by the odd "characters" in Wii bowling who had no arms or legs.

Wait until they see space dudez from the future launching mega torpedo blasts in Halo!

Also, I wish the Wii were as powerful as two Gamecubes taped together.  In reality it's closer to 1.2x the Gamecube.

Jee, I guess the only reason I should play games is if they use Blast Processing®.