True stories of utter failure: Golden Axe (PC-Engine CD)

[ParanoiaDragon]

I'm also apart of Frozen Utopia, & I'm not bashing you or anything.  I didn't think they we're but I didn't really pay attention to their posts.  As for games we got coming, he he, we got some nice stuff coming  I'm not saying I'm the best composer ever, I wish I could be up there with Ryo Yonemitsu, but, everything takes time.  And my stuff is pretty good good.  Our first game, Mysterious Song, it's cool, I like the story n all, so it won't be voted as a sack of suck.  Neutopia 3 is just plain gonna kick arse, not to mention Rudoshyn, Dragon Arm, & whatever else we decided on, as time goes on.  Saying our games are gonna suck is like going up to BT Garner & spitting in his face.  Anyways, I ain't mad, I'm sure you'll enjoy the games

[PCEngineHell]

We wont know or play anything untill they are done will we.
I do however think that it would be a sad turn of events if you got a project done and everyone however did think that the overall product did suck,and everyone bashed your game here infront of everyone.. Id  hate to see that happen to anyone. The last homebrew project I ever burned off made me sick,that was super Hu-card. Barely anything on it even worked without major bugs. Are you having that problem right now? From the tech side of things,I have been wondering how you will overcome these problems. Also,anyone ever thought of trying to contact Victor Ireland of WD to maybe get input on programing tricks of the hardware?

[ParanoiaDragon]

On Mysterious Song, there's no bug problems that I know of.  We're waiting for the cinemas to be finished, & getting ready to do voice acting, but just looking for the right people, for the right roles.  As for Neutopia 3, I've done several songs, 2 are finished.  But we haven't officially started working on it, until Mysterious Song is complete.  I haven't seen any tiles, sprites or mock up's for the levels, but alot of the basic gameplay & level ideas are done.  It's gonna go beyond the other 2 games.  Victor, from my own experience has been hard to directly get ahold of.  The only homebrew games I've played are the ones BT released, Meteor Blaster DX & Implode.  I can't wait for them to finish PC Gunjin, that game looks great!

[OldRover]

Well well well Michael, it seems you have just a minor temper problem here. To clarify a few things...

I used to read the game magazines. Don't confuse my dislike of them with ignorance; you cannot hate that which you do not know. The reason I didn't like them is BECAUSE I read them and didn't like the crap they'd spew time and time again.

When it comes to coding the PCE, bt taught me most of what I know. I already knew how to program in C and some of the basics of the console, but bt really taught me how to work with HuC in particular; things to look out for, optimization techniques, avoiding flicker and slowdown, and too many other things to list here. I've also been around Dave Shadoff and have picked up a few things from him, as well as Chris Covell and especially GravisZero. So it's not like you're talking to some acolyte here; I know my stuff and I put it to good use rather than sitting on my ego like some others I've seen.

Where did you get the idea that Mysterious Song was shareware? That's never been written by me or anyone else and isn't written on the website. I've already said that the first two games at least will be freely available for download but also purchasable if we can have them pressed properly. This isn't exactly news.

Your list of games...well, I'll take a look at each one for the hell of it.

Death Duel: Never heard of it.
Pit Fighter: I used to play this game on the arcade a lot. The game had poor execution but was sorta satisfying to knock the hell out of The Warrior and have all the money flying everywhere.
Space Gun: Never heard of it.
Narc: This game was pretty cool. I didn't play it much but I remember it having very crisp graphics for its time.
Sam and Max hit the road: Never played it.
Metal and Lace 1 and 2: Ditto.
Party Breakers: Ditto again.
Robocop: Played it whenever I had the chance. Got the MAME ROM now and have finally beaten the game...about 30 times.
Bad Dudes: This was OK...nothing stood out about it, pretty cut-n-dry stuff.
Way of the Warrior: Never played it.
Crash and Burn: Ditto.
Defender 2000: Hrm...I don't remember this one very well...
Tempest 2000: 110% Badass. Played this on my Jaguar for hours on end until I finally beat the game in Beast mode.
Golvelious: Never even heard of it...
Starblade: Ditto.
Galaxy Fight: UGH! Suck-ass. One of the largest flaws in the NeoGeo game library; even KOF'94 didn't suck THIS bad.
Hellfire: Dunno this game.
Aero Blasters: Played this for a bit; was interesting but never got far in it.
Magic Swords: I believe that's "Magic Sword"...played the SNES port before the arcade version though; it doesn't do the arcade version full justice but it isn't a bad game regardless; both versions are pretty great.
Evil Zone: Never heard of it.
Riot Zone: This game wasn't done very well but that didn't stop me from beating it scores of times. Badass soundtrack. Riot City is arguably better. (Gimme a fscking break...Tony and Hawk?)
Blazing Tornado: Never heard of it.
Stral: Ditto.
Blue Lightning: Never played it but thought it looked sorta like an After Burner clone.
Ninja Gaiden arcade game: Have played it a few times (as well as its counterpart, Shadow Warriors). Never got far in it. It's ok.
Rastan 1 and 2 arcade.: Umm...? Don't know them.

Oops, missed a few...

Silphead for the PC: Never played it. Is this the same as the Sega CD "Silpheed"?
Ultra Vortek: ???
Shatterhand: Loved it.
The Guardian Legend: Never played it.
Air Busters: ???
Shock Troopers 2nd squad: Never heard of it.
Beachhead: Ditto.
T2 for the Nes: Yuck.
Road Avenger: ???
Time Gal: Hate the fact that they renamed it for the dumbass American populace who was so hocked up on "political correctness" at the time. Bullshit in an aeresol can.

Okay well, have you any more personal attacks, Michael? No one was knocking you at all; just mentioning that you like a game that everyone else thinks sucks. My binky comment, which was satirical, seems to be what's now got you on some kind of crusade but hey, I'll let you be the judge of your own attitude. If you're 28 years old, I'd think you'd have a better grip than that.

For the record: Mysterious Song is devoid of bugs in its present form. I've put it through about 60 hours of testing and retesting (I used to be a software beta tester for several dev groups so I know what to look for and what to try to break) and once it's finished completely, it goes to a team of beta testers for 1 month before it's considered release-worthy (most dev houses back in the day would give two or three weeks for testing; bugs often slipped through because of this shorter window). While you may have seen a homebrew crapfest done up by some half-wit out for his fifteen minutes of fame, this is a large group with a lot of very dedicated people in it who are all very talented at what they do and love gaming and this console. It would be a severe disgrace to our beloved console and the entire PCE scene to allow a shitty game to be released. I think even you, Michael, can agree to that.

[PCEngineHell]

Im wondering what systems you have owned?
Hellfire is a shooter:Pc Engine/Genesis,and arcade.
Beachhead was for the C64,and had many types of "mini games"in it I guess you could say.
Shock Troopers 2nd Squad is a NeoGeo game,a really good one for that matter,how could you have missed that one?
Air Busters/Aero Blasters,depends on what system you have it on,or what arcade board for that matter.Its a shooter by Interstate Kaneko.

The Guardian Legend.Nes game by Compile.Shooter/adventure action game.Borderbund published it in the US.
Ultra Vortek was the only good fighting game for the Jaguar.
Silphead for the PC.GameArts pc shooter brainchild.It was better then the Sega Cd game.

Rastan 1 and 2???? By Taito.How could you have missed these in the arcades???
Ninja Gaiden arcade game.Playing it on Mame doesnt count for squat.the game had a special joystick to help with grabbing bars and doing certain swing attacks.It doesnt feel the same on Mame.
Strahl and Road Avenger,both laserdisc titles in the arcade,also released on Saturn import,both games,and Road being on Sega Cd/PSX also.Strahl was released on 3DO here in the US.
Blazing Tornado was made by Human,same company behind Vasteel and the Firo Pro games.On Saturn and arcade in Japan.
Evil Zone was on PSX,played like a fighting game being watched on TV with insane crap inbetween rounds reminding you of Japanese action  and monster shows.
Starblade by Namco???? yet again I have to ask how you missed this one.Even if being put to sleep by Tekken 5 you still could get a glimps of the game at the begining.
Golvelious was a adventure game for the Master System by Compile.
Defender 2000 on Jaguar,made by Lamasoft.One of the best Jaguar games made,yet again how could you have missed this one if your a experienced gamer.
Way of the Warrior by Naughty Dog.For the 3DO.Great fighting game with huge sprites and crap going on screen.White Zombie soundtrack.Needs a capcom pad or arcade stick though,or even the pad that came with the FZ-10 system.The FZ-1 pad sucked for fighting games,and many thought they couldnt do the moves in that game because of the game itself,untill new pads came out,that allowed perfect handling of the games moves.
Crash and Burn was the launch 3DO system title.Racing game where you kill the other racers if you cant beat them by other means.Back when it came out,there was nothing like it,period.Virtua Racing was flatshaded polygons,and couldnt compete with it graphically,and Crash and Burn was damn fun to play.Crystal Dynamics made it.

Sam and Max hit the road: Lucas Arts game,one of the best for that matter.
Metal and Lace 1 and 2: hentai fighting game sfor Pc,but they actually play very good.
Party Breakers,one of the Queen of Hearts games for PC,fighting game.If you have not played it,your missing out.Its that simple.
Space Gun,arcade gun game.Good graphics and sound,gave a creepy feeling.Aliens themes abound in the game.Fun to play.
Death Duel for the Genesis.Made by Razorsoft if I remember right.Nice violent game.Plays like a gun shooter or something liek Lethal inforcers,but you moves from side to side,and you only have one enemy to kill.You are in a mech suit and are basically in a duel match against aliens and crap and you kill them dead.Blowing off limbs and what not,going for the kill.Very fun,and great for its time.

[PCEngineHell]

From the pics,the game you are making looked like another in a long slew of unfinished shareware games slapped on a 1000 games on one cd for PC. This is from looking at the pics. Im being honest that I am not impressed with the graphics. But if your happy with how it looks,that is what matters,as its your project.

[PCEngineHell]

I thought you might like to read this,sence it might give you a idea of a couple of "true and real" gamers opinions might be like regarding your up and coming game.
here you go straight from the Yahoo archive.


quoth0X : hey you there?
Amakusa: yea
quoth0X : wow
quoth0X : suprised you are still up
Amakusa: fixing to go to bed actually
Amakusa: just checking up on pcengine fx forums
quoth0X : ah i see
quoth0X : yeah i didn't get any of the last stuff you wrote at all
quoth0X : i logged on specifically to see if i got any e-mail on yahoo, and any offline messages, and i waited 10 seconds before closing it out, since none popped up
quoth0X : i put that hard drive in the case earlier
Amakusa: i sent a link to a import playying cart for sega cd
Amakusa: one of those datel carts
Amakusa: you missed it
Amakusa: its over now
quoth0X : send me a link or the item # i want to look at it
quoth0X : how much?
Amakusa: i am not sure
Amakusa: it ended friday nite i think
quoth0X : you remember the subject title?
Amakusa: no
quoth0X : damnit
Amakusa: i wasnt watching it or anything
quoth0X : ah ok
Amakusa: when i sent the message,it had a hour left
quoth0X : i wouldn't have had the money anyway
quoth0X : see i would have still missed it though, i forgot when i checked messager
quoth0X : btw that flash drive i bought, will work with the ps2 - i can back up my saves now, a little bit too late, but still
quoth0X : they have internal hard drives for the new ps2 models now, i think they change the case out
quoth0X : and ds and psp games can be fully dumped and played now, they ported over doom 2 to psp
quoth0X : everything gets hacked eventually
Amakusa: so true
quoth0X : found a bunch of new stuff i can do with the ps2 now since i am putting the hard drive on it, as well as using the flash drive
quoth0X : load a boot menu and all kinds of shit...complicated, but at least i don't have to waste discs to do it all now, like i did the first time
quoth0X : so what do the people of pcenginefx forums have to say today with their endless wisdom?
Amakusa: they have no wisdom,you should know this by now.
quoth09 : ha so true, for the most part
Amakusa: arron Nanto probably still says Duo like"Duel"...
quoth0X : i think that goes without saying
quoth0X : you should start a thread asking about that
Amakusa: Im sure he went back and heard it while making those.
Amakusa: "Today I am going to review Beyound Shadowgate for the TurboDuel system."
quoth0X : heh
Amakusa: Right now im wondering if the guy from Frozen utopia actually owns a game system or has gone to the arcades.
quoth0X : why
Amakusa: I spat ou tthi slist of games,and he hasnt played half of them.
Amakusa: hold on
Amakusa: let me copy the list
Amakusa: Death Duel.
Pit Fighter.
Space Gun.
Narc.
Sam and Max hit the road.
Metal and Lace 1 and 2.
Party Breakers.
Robocop.
Bad Dudes.
Silphead for the PC.
Way of the Warrior.
Crash and Burn.
Ultra Vortek.
Defender 2000.
Tempest 2000.
Shatterhand.
The Guardian Legend.
Golvelious.
Starblade.
Galaxy Fight.
Hellfire.
Air Busters.
Shock Troopers 2nd squad.
Magic Swords.
Evil Zone.
Riot Zone.
Blazing Tornado.
Beachhead.
T2 for the Nes.
Road Avenger.
Time Gal.
Stral.
Blue Lightning.
Ninja Gaiden arcade game.
Rastan 1 and 2 arcade.

Amakusa: He didnt even know what Shock Troopers was.
Amakusa: Or Starblade fo rthat matter.....
quoth0X : christ
Amakusa: I could kinda understand the pc game smaybe
Amakusa: but Rastan,Starblade,Shocktroopers,Aero Blasters/Air Busters,
Amakusa: then game slike Defender 2k on Jaguar
Amakusa: Guardian Legend
quoth0X : some people just don't know, and therefore are oblivious to "good games"
Amakusa: this guy is supposed to be making a game for the Turbo,yet somehow has missed all these nice games
Amakusa: Hes 30
Amakusa: hes older then me
quoth0X : jeez
quoth0X : eh some people don't know, and are not as fortunate as you and i to know such knowledge
Amakusa: He should remember them,have played them,most of them if hes any kind of gamer at all,worth his weight in salt
quoth0X : unless they hear it from their friends...
quoth09 : salt eh...
Amakusa: maybe he has no friends
Amakusa: and liek I said,seems there is no knowledge at Pcengine fx tonite at least.
quoth0X : heh
Amakusa: he even accused Diehard gamefan of being on the take like crap mags liek EGM
Amakusa: and Game pro
Amakusa: actually he just basically says that gamefan sucked
Amakusa: this is coming from the guy who hates Strata games,so go figure
quoth0X : eh he does not know much then
Amakusa: Considering he hasnt played half the games on that list,from all different platforms,different times,different generes,and considering most all of those ar eclassics,he really makes me wonder.
quoth0X : all his opinions are null and void as far as i am concerned
Amakusa: well he said he didnt liek game mags,and I assumed he just ddint read them then
Amakusa: so I replied back asking how it was basically to not read the mags and have to learn of new games by going to walmart or toys r us to see what was new.
Amakusa: he replied back stating he does read them,but I beg to differ,as yet again,if he did,there is no way over the past 17 years he could have missed all those great games.
quoth0X : yeah really
Amakusa: How in the fuck could you not notice a game like Starblade in you rlocal arcade
Amakusa: It was fucking huge
Amakusa: Jesus
quoth0X : heh
Amakusa: and it was a Namco game
quoth0X : i never got to see one, but i know how big it is
quoth0X : but that is only because of my age
Amakusa: god it was even a near release PSX title over here
Amakusa: and was on 3DO also
Amakusa: o Sega CD even had a port
Amakusa: I mean come on....
quoth0X : maybe i didn't get to see one...i just don't remember that well.
Amakusa: but you know what teh game is
Amakusa: have known for the longest tiem now
Amakusa: time
Amakusa: now
Amakusa: lol
quoth0X : yeah i know what it is, definitely
Amakusa: my spelling is crap tonite
quoth0X : heh
Amakusa: well here im going to give you a link to hi ssite real quick
Amakusa: take a look at the pics of the game he is making
quoth09 : k
Amakusa: http://frozenutopia.nodtveidt.net/
Amakusa: take a look
Amakusa: what do you think?
Amakusa: Shareware looking or not?
Amakusa: kinda like sack of flower heart of gold?
quoth0X : what the one screenshot he has up
Amakusa: but not as funny
Amakusa: go to projects
Amakusa: more pics
quoth0X : who is the guy you are talking to on there
quoth0X : what is his name, is he the primary programmer for this
Amakusa: yea
Amakusa: hes the main programmer
quoth0X : no wonder
quoth0X : he is from puerto rico
quoth0X : fucking 3 world section of u.s.
Amakusa: lol
Amakusa: hey,thats not entirely true,I do believe they have  awal mart there
quoth0X : he is a programmer, been programming all his life, missed out on the titles he should know about
quoth0X : bah, they have wal-marts in mexico, no difference
quoth0X : and canada for that matter
quoth0X : it looks ok
Amakusa: quality wise?
quoth0X : yeah, but it does look like it has that feel
Amakusa: are you hyped from the pics?
quoth0X : not really now
quoth0X : no*
Amakusa: well,the guy wondered why I keep refering to it as shareware looking
quoth0X : i think i am more hyped about printing out my shipping labels right now
quoth0X : does he even know what shareware is?
Amakusa: well no wthat you mettion where he is from,and considering he "says" hes a programmer,I do wonder if he does...
quoth0X : yeah really
quoth0X : it's sad when someone a decade younger than his ass probably knows more about games
Amakusa: Time seemed to pass him by
Amakusa: on that little island of the damned
quoth0X: lol
Amakusa: id have been in hell with no good game saround to play
quoth0X : similar to not having a cd drive for your turbo eh
Amakusa: and the funny thing is,him and one of his buddys are the guys talking about timekillers graphics,yet their game looks liek cheap shareware.
quoth0X : bah, his game looks like garbage compared to time killers
Amakusa: About any game I have seen on the Pc Engine looks better,even older games liek DeathBringer.
quoth0X : lol
quoth0X : his game looks like nes
Amakusa: well,you never know,maybe they will finish it,and it will rock,but considering it is coming from a guy who has missed so many great games during the past 17+ years,and has no clue about any of them,I wont hold my breath as to wether he knows how a good game should be.
Amakusa: Paranoia Dragon
quoth0X : makes me wonder if he has played through the other 2 utopias
Amakusa: This guy is pretty nice,and its sad hes a member of their group
quoth0X : er neutopias
Amakusa: He should start hsi own
Amakusa: sence he has doen soem work before it seems
Amakusa: god my spelling
Amakusa: ]Im sleepy
quoth0X : bah, don't worry about it
quoth0X : you should go to sleep
quoth0X : i have to sometime here in the next few hours - post office day tomorrow
Amakusa: Im afraid I might have a bad dream about being on a island where no good games are
quoth0X : lmao
Amakusa: Do you think fun might be outlawed on his island?
Amakusa: and that is why he hasnt played many games?
Amakusa: good games for that matter?
quoth0X : haha
quoth0X : that's australia
Amakusa: lmfao
Amakusa: dead beat bidder capitol of the world
quoth0X : the land where gta3 was banned
Amakusa: where your garden hose can sink in the sand
Amakusa: The land of Mad Max
quoth0X : and where they think that kangaroos are grand
Amakusa: The fatherland of Mel Gibson,the plunder of christ
Amakusa: the passion of the dollar
quoth0X : lmfao
quoth0X : notice you don't see anything about the redux now
Amakusa: no,but if you act now,you might still be able to order one of those ink pins with the passion logo on it
Amakusa: or  at-shirt
Amakusa: maybe he will do a flik about the jim jones cult next
quoth0X : lol
quoth0X : maybe

[PCEngineHell]

My faulght on the Magic sword having a s at the end,a typo,with few hours sleep and kids running about,it happens.

[PCEngineHell]

Bringing you up in the conversation Aaron, I just want to say,I really did like the shows you did,I converted them all to Svcd,I just wish they were done at a higher res so that the pic quality would have been better.I keep them on Maxell Pros in my collection of games.But I do have to ask,why is it when you say duo,it sounds like your saying duel?

[OldRover]

Wow Michael, five of your own posts in a row...you're quite a character, you know that? I'm not even going to respond to your massive insults and laughable fake conversation on yahoo, of all things. But I will give you a little history lesson and some geographical information as well.

The fact of the matter is that I did not spend my entire life playing video games. I had a social life in my younger years and was very physically active. Problems with my spine have all but halted me being physically active all the time but I still have a social life and I still like to get out of the house and work as well as meet people; friends, family, etc. My life does not revolve around video games; never has, never will. Even now, I don't even play online games; the only online game I ever play is RuneScape, despite what many people around me, including some of my friends, think of it (they think it sucks because it's not the cutting edge of 3D technology).

I've owned a C64, an Atari 2600, an NES (both models), an SNES, a Genesis, a Sega CD, a TurboGrafx 16, a TurboDuo, an Atari Jaguar, a Playstaion, a Playstation 2, a AgemGear, a GameBoy, an Atari Lynx, and many many computers. The games you mentioned that I have not played or have not heard of are games outside of my chosen genres. And again, since my life did not revolve around video games, I did not waste away my afternoons in arcades...I went from time to time whenever I felt like checking out what was new and maybe dropping a couple of bucks here and there.

And I am not originally from Puerto Rico. I was born in Tennessee in 1975, moved to Vermont in 1977, and then moved to Pennsylvania in 2002. I moved down here to Puerto Rico in 2003 not too long after my fiancee passed away. No hablo mucho español, pero estoy aprendiendo.

Puerto Rico has 13 WalMarts, with 4 of them being super centers. WalMart  does not establish themselves in third-world countries so I guess there goes that little theory. Can you two even identify Puerto Rico on a map? Probably not. But I guess your prejudice limits your knowledge of this island, so I'll forgive you this time. Hey, we even have...high-speed internet! And cell phones! And cars! And metro areas! Banks with metal detectors! There are no towns in Puerto Rico...every area is a city, and there are 78 of them. We have 9 Sams Clubs here, and 28 KB Toys (I know this because my wife and I recently inventoried all 28 of them for the stock our company distributes). Third world section of the US?

Well, since you've decided to turn a simple dislike over a single game into a giant flame-fest, I certainly hope you're proud of yourself. You've got the maturity of a 14-year-old...are you sure you're 28? But I guess you can pin this on the fact that you have kids running around, right? I wonder if you beat your kids too. And I'm still waiting for the other "true and real" gamer to have their word. You said there were a couple...well wait, there were two people there so I guess then that one of the "true and real" gamers is you. A little arrogant, are we? I can certainly understand your lack of seratonin due to lack of sleep which brings about emotional instability therefore making you write such things, so...well, it still doesn't make it right to do regardless of your excuse.

And while we're at it here...how about YOU try programming a game that is going to "r0xx0r 0ur s0xx0rz", eh? Put up or shut up, I always say.

[lord_cack]

I think that the personal attacks over a game are too much. Neither Nodtveidt or myself made any prior attacks on your person. In fact, I have defended your right and everybodies right to love which ever game you choose to like. But, as I said before, if your gonna step up and say "Hey that Superman game for the N64 was great." then expect to hear a thousand "OH that game was SCHITE" comments (not saying by the way that you did say that you liked that game).

Now as for Mysterious Song and the other games coming from Frozen Utopia...so you don't like it. So it looks dated...this isn't PS2 or Xbox. It is a remake of a traditional Role Playing Game and I believe he was trying to keep some of the originals charms and looks and not re-invent the wheel. You don't have to play it. I also would like to ask how many games have come out for the Turbo in the last 8 years......lets see Implode and A Metero Blast...fine games and damn glad that their is someone out there making an attempt to put stuff out for MY Favorite system of all time. But, one is a Yahoo game clone and the other is an Asteroids clone. So lets not split hairs about game appearance=not good.

As for the rest of your post, its childish at best and down right rude at worst. I will make no appologies about one single comment I made. If you have no since of humor or the ability to leave others to their opinions that is a problem you have to deal with not me. But, until then I would like to say.....Keep your eyes on Frozen Utopia and their products, because I am pretty damn sure, that thanks to your comments, there will be no vaporware over there....Even if I have to be the last man standing over there....which I won't

[TurboHuC6280]

I thought you might like to read this,sence it might give you a idea of a couple of "true and real" gamers opinions might be like regarding your up and coming game.
here you go straight from the Yahoo archive.

I, for one, am excited about this game.

[jlued686]

It's a shame to see such negativity and childishness on these boards.  This is usually the one place I can go to that avoids that sort of thing.

Personally, while the Frozen Utopia stuff looks great in my opinion, they could release a Pong remake on the Turbo and I'd still pay top dollar for it just to encourage people to keep making stuff for my favorite system.  

If we're going to be petty here, it's spelled "since" not "sence".  

Just kidding.  Anyway, my point is, let's just keep this civil, shall we?  If you want to argue, please go to GameFaqs or IGN.

[ParanoiaDragon]

So......how bout them Dodgers?  Anyways, let's just let this all end.  It's not getting anyone anywhere.  We're all imperfect people, with different opinions, & that's just the way it is, end of story.

[PCEngineHell]

You can look for Quoth on ebay or on yahoo,I didnt fake the conversation,why would I bother?And as I recall both of you asking what kind of freaks live where I am located,remarking about the binky,and other remarks I wont bother to list,as anyone can go back and read them.And you said this stuff first,why?Because I defended a game mag and some games I feel were really great.You opened the door as far as I am concerned.Quoth and I use to manage game stores,We are both heavy gamers and collectors,him more then me infact.We are both into older game systems.he is the friend who dished out the 200 plus bucks for Alien Soldier.After doing that there shouldnt be any question about his passion for gaming.If you would like,you can check his ebay auctions,as he sells alot of hard to find stuff,for all systems.The ebay id to look for is quoth09.
As far as games go,I have a Gamecube,and  a PS2 here in the house,but never play them.I only play 16-bit stuff anymore,and pc games here and
there.If I only cared for the Xbox and PS2 crap that is churned out monthly,I would'nt be here right now.
I look at it this way,the game either brings something to the table I like,or it doesnt,and that is the end of it.If I liked the game,I will defend it.And it is a basic fact that most of those games on the list were major titles over the time period of 88-96.I cant fathom the idea that a hard core gamer,or a guy programing for a classic system could have missed half of those games,yet make a attempt at making a classic feeling game on a system such as the Turbo Cd/Pc-Engine.And I got a glimps of Puerto Rico a couple weeks back,as Wal Mart held its share holders convention her ein Fayetteville,and many people from your "island" came to it,as they do each year,and with happy joy joy smiles comment about how much more we have here in the small city of Fayetteville then they do on the "island",and we watch with happy smiles as they spend and spend and spend away their hard earned cash on things like blow dryers and Apex dvd players,and in the most broken english as possible ask if everything comes with a 110/220 volt adapter.
Thats where the 3rd world comment comes from,and it gets reinforced every year in late May to early June.and as a former Wal Mart employee,i can assure you that Wal-Mart has every interest at heart in exploiting the richest AND poorest of areas all around the world.

[lord_cack]

You know what keeps getting reinforced how much of a Bigot and a Hypocrite you truely are.

I am going to say that this is my last comment on the topic.  I defended everyones comments even your initial comment. But they have clearly depraved down to name calling and immaturity. You seem to think you know so much, but think so little. I appreciate your right to your opinion but defamation of character and racially driven comments are not defendable actions and I think that the people of the community should show it the proper respects....


Anyway, I figured out what The worst games I like is. I like the TV Sports line up and Night Creature....but atleast I don't like Ballistic    

[GUTS]

Dishing out $200 for Alien Soldier when you can get the PAL version IN ENGLISH for 1/3 of that makes you semi-retarded, not hardcore.  And I love how Starblade is some kind of measuring stick, I bet a big portion of the professional game programmers out there don't know or give a rat's ass about half the games on that list.

Props to Frozen Utopia, anybody who can make or port a new RPG to the Duo has an awesome mullet and can probably play at least a 15 minute guitar solo.

[esteban]

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE?

I finally catch up reading the old posts and discover that this thread has gone wacky.

Michael: I love tons of games that most serious gamers consider "crap".  It is frustrating when folks dismiss games without really trying to appreciate them first. But that doesn't justify the barbed insults you threw at fellow posters. As I see it, everyone involved was getting somewhat abrasive with one another, but you crossed the line several times (particularly your racial / ethnic insults).

I know it sounds corny, but now it's time for some peace, love and harmony. Let's not make things any worse.

Michael, for what it's worth, I actually enjoyed reading your earlier posts when you explained some of the history behind Strata and what you liked about some of their games. That was neat stuff I didn't know and you were encouraging discussions that wouldn't have otherwise occurred here. I also enjoy it when someone takes an unpopular position and explains why they maintain it. All of that was very kool.

But, while everyone volleyed insults back and forth, you didn't have to go COMPLETELY BALLISTIX on them!

TIP: Only a handful of light-hearted barbs are necessary when you want to insult someone here!

ASIDE: This thread has inspired my most recent song, which is entitled "Games Will Tear Us Apart". I'm only half-joking!

[OldRover]

Messiah Mike, you are a true work of art, you know that? Oh wait, didn't I mention this before? Everything you say further discredits you...if I were you, I'd back out now to save at least a minor amount of face. And here's why:

So you got a "glimps" at Puerto Rico... (blame the kids for your typos). You don't have the first clue when it comes to Puerto Rico. Your little example is terribly flawed; I believe you have the wrong country. First of all, PR operates on 110, not 220, so why the hell would they need convertors? Also, English, although not the mother tongue, is spoken quite often down here, and its difficult to believe that anyone involved with Wal-Mart would be speaking in broken English, especially shareholders, who are almost always of US origin, even if in PR. Additionally, the items that you mentioned are expensive in PR; much better to buy these items and others as well in the US to avoid the tax hikes that they carry when brought here. There are products here than you can't get in the US (let's see you buy plantillas or queso blancos in your little Arkansas Wal-Mart) and vice versa. You can buy Birch Beer in Pennsylvania Wal-Marts but outside of the state, most people have never even heard of it. Wal-Mart localizes their stock; my wife and I work as merchandisers and one of the stores we service is Wal-Mart and in addition, her mother worked as a high-level manager for Wal-Mart for five years and was involved in the opening of a new one. What was your position...cart pusher? Oh excuse me...they call them "Courtesy Associates" now. Try naming a single poor third-world country that has a Wal-Mart in it. Wal-Mart does not open stores in areas which are proven to be unprofitable, kinda like McDonalds. Wal-Mart doesn't do too hot in Germany because they don't like the chain very much, but there's no use in trying to use this as an example because Germany is very much a first-world country.

And where did you get the idea that I said I was some kind of hardcore gamer? I never said that. I said that I, and everyone else in Frozen Utopia, is dedicated. I love this console, there's no questioning that fact. RPGs were my bread and butter throughout time and I disliked most other genres simply because they weren't my thing. So the fact that I didn't know about many of these "uber-l33t games" isn't exactly shocking, nor does it have any effect or bearing on our ability to produce a classic game. After all, this IS a game from my own genre of choice, and considering I've programmed many a game on the PC before (most of which are RPGs), well...I think anyone can figure out where I'm going with this one.

Now for a more personal note...do you pay attention to the style of writing that people use? Did you not notice the use of emoticons? I use them very often to convey emotional intention. When I mentioned "Makes me wonder what kind of deranged people live in your town... " it was followed by five laughing smiles. This means "I'm yanking your chain in good fun". Learn to recognize emoticons and their usage. Now, let's see if you can recognize the difference between these two phrases:

Please remove the corn cob from your ass.

Please remove the corn cob from your ass.

Can you tell the difference?

Now, getting back ON TOPIC, finally...how much does the Golden Axe game go for? I want to snag a copy to see this miserable failure first-hand.

[lord_cack]

Its not very expensive....between 15-40 bucks...not to bad...thats off the top of my head...been awhile since I hit ebay.

[RCduck7]

Hi  





We can take a break on this discussion by all doing the same thing.







Hi  

[ParanoiaDragon]

I usually see it for around 20 bucks or less.

[akamichi]

I picked one up for about $7 within the last month or two.  I personally haven't seen GA go for more than $10 except for when it was first released.

[xolik]

I'll thank you people to kindly stop shitting all over my thread now.  

[PCEngineHell]

Im sorry,it got boring and seemed to just go on and on here so I didnt check up yesterday.To the comment about the dual voltage question,yes they asked this alot,almost everyone did,because in some parts of the world that the shareholders travel,110 volts is not the standard,they are shareholders,which means they travel everywhere Wal-Mart calls them to go to,from Germany to the moon if need be.Not only that but not every share holder,even from Puerto Rico,speak perfect english,or any english at all.The only reason english is spoken there to begin with is because the US doesnt know when to leave a place alone,and so we like to spread/force our influence down other cultures throats and change them to suit our needs."For what its worth,Id like to move to Asia,but that would depend on the wife,not just me."And alot of them had to travel all over South America to get here,some also coming from Brazil and what not,and not every place in South America is 110 from what I have been told either.My typos,yes I screw up alot,I dont even type,as I never bothered to learn,I only got into computers for the gaming experience they give.That was why I forced myself to learn to build nice gaming computers.I suck at typing,Im the first to admit that.I have kids also,and when kids are playing around you,you do get distracted.Any of you who DO have kids on this forum know this to be very true.Its cuts your gaming hours down quite a bit,or any personal time you might try to have for yourself.My job,is in retail.I have never worked as a cart pusher in my life,I dont even have to work.My wife is a LPN,that mean shes a nurse to any of you who dont know medical terms.She works on a peds floor in registry,on normal hourly pay,she makes $27.00 an hour,and gets paid $38.00 for call time hourly.I work to get out of the house so I dont go insane,it gives me a break from the kids.I have been in retail management,retail sales,been a CNA,a security guard for Union Pacific RailRoad,and a stocker for both Wal Mart and Target.I have even did a stint running photo for WalGreens.I do the jobs I like to do,that dont become a pain in the ass,and I usually only work half the year,as I take most of spring to summer off to spend with my kids.If ever in my life i was a cart pusher at Wal mart,I couldnt afford games Id like to mettion also,as they pay the cart pushers crap,and walk all over them.Also,by you commenting on the cart pushers who work there,your knocking on them for just trying to make a buck.Not everyone can do every job well,and Im sure any cart pusher would agree it sucks,but its a living for what its worth.Some people have to make bills anyway they can,and I have a couple of friends who do the cart pushing thing for the Wal Mart down the street.If you want to know a shame here,its the fact that in alot of retail game stores,they barely make over the min. wage,the cart pushers make more.Go figure.I also dont care for people bringing up their medical problems and deaths in the family for sympathy and to rally others on your side.You seemed to have gotten far into the world for what its worth,moving around a bit,and I dont think being or not being psyically active has anything to do with gaming at home or ina local arcade much,as I said,m wife works on Peds,she  takes care of lots of sick kids,dying kids,who are heavy gamers,putting lots of hours in on the Gamecube and X Box on the peds floor,who dont let anything stop them.So unless you just cant stand up at a arcade at all,and cant plunk your ass on a couch or chair to begin with,you can play games.
2:I may stoop low,and in anger not hold any punches,but I know when to admit I was being a ass,and I was.I have a tendancy to do this when others do it too.You attack me,I attack back,and thats life.I dont care for sarcasm myself,but thats just me.And even sarcasm has its limits,and then ceases to be just"sarcasm",like the binky,Arkansas knocks.Its a tired subject,I dont have the time for it anymore either,as I only got on here to discuss games,as they dont discuss them on the comp forums I go to.Enough of all of it is right,lets let it end.
3: The games on that list at one point in time were in a class by themselves,meaning not much else at the time they were released did what they did.Starblade was one of the first major 3d arcade games.Way of the Warrior was one of the first games to use a real band for its music soundtrack,not just that but the game did things no other did on the 3DO.The Guardian Legend if no tthe first was one of the first few to do a cross between shooter and adventure,and did it well.Pit Fighter was the first fighter with digitized actors.True,some of the games dont stand the test of time,because others were released that knocked them off their throne,but at the time they were out,they were it.Nothing could compete.
3:I understand why Quoth purchased the Alien Soldier cart,he did NOT want a english pal cart.He wanted a Jap cart.He liked the look of it more,box and all.I completely understand this,I have avoided as many pal games as possible,because they usually look like US counterparts.
Not just this,but there can be problems with some Pal games on US decks,like Mario Cart on Snes,the Pal cart ran too fast on NTSC systems,and was known to short out a deck while being played.I had no luck getting a Pal N64 cart to run ona US system.The few Pal Mega Drive carts I have messed with ran slower,when being forced to do 60 hz.My monitor will display Pal,without the screen rolling,but its in black and white,so why bother.Master System I never had  aproblem with,and the UK games released were way more plentiful then in the US.Dreamcast games had the same problems when messing with Pal disc.Your best bet seemed to be the VGA box,unless it was a converted game disc booted with Utopia or something.
There is some site that compared the difference on the 2,Pal and Jap carts of Alien Soldier,and if I get the link I will post it here,the only difference I noticed right away was the title screen.
Also,a side note on Golden Axe.Quoth has a bootleg cart of Golden Axe 3 for Megadrive,that only runs in Pal.
Im taking a break from this place for a day or 2 more.Its draining.Frozen Utopia will either do the job well or fail terribly,I cant wait to see either way.
Later.

[xolik]

Pargraph breaks and spacing would make that horrible, incoherent mess that was just posted before this a whole lot easier to read. Also:

I'll thank you people to kindly stop shitting all over my thread now.  

Can we stop this now?

[OldRover]

If anyone's interested in selling their copy of Golden Axe CD (PCE version obviously), I'll gladly take it off your hands for $20 plus shipping.

[TurboHuC6280]

Pargraph breaks and spacing would make that horrible, incoherent mess that was just posted before this a whole lot easier to read. Also:

I'll thank you people to kindly stop shitting all over my thread now.  

Can we stop this now?

Yes!  Please stop!  

How about we talk about my counterfeit copy of Sapphire instead?  

[lord_cack]

Pargraph breaks and spacing would make that horrible, incoherent mess that was just posted before this a whole lot easier to read. Also:

I'll thank you people to kindly stop shitting all over my thread now.  

Can we stop this now?

Yes!  Please stop!  

How about we talk about my counterfeit copy of Sapphire instead?  

Thougth we had....

no way...it was conterfeit...that sucks....sort of...you still have a very nice fake

[TurboHuC6280]

Thougth we had....

no way...it was conterfeit...that sucks....sort of...you still have a very nice fake

Hey.  We don't really know that they are counterfeit yet.    I'm going to search the Earth and discover the origin of these slightly different copies of the game.  

[lord_cack]

Thougth we had....

no way...it was conterfeit...that sucks....sort of...you still have a very nice fake

Hey.  We don't really know that they are counterfeit yet.    I'm going to search the Earth and discover the origin of these slightly different copies of the game.  

Till then why don't you burn me a copy      

[OldRover]

On the Golden Axe subject...we picked up a copy of Golden Axe for the GBA today (a Sega Smashpack containing Ecco, Sonic Spinball, and Golden Axe) and all I have to say is...if the PCE version plays as badly as the GBA version, then it's no wonder why people say it sucks. Wow, the GBA version is the essence of ass. You can't see what's going on most of the time because the colours are way too dark, the game scrolls way too fast, the enemy AI is jacked way up higher than the original PLUS they move too fast, and it's based on the Genesis version rather than the arcade original. A total slobjob.

After playing through it (and yes, beating it, it's not hard when you're used to the Genesis version anyways), I had to play through the arcade original to be reminded of what a truly great game Golden Axe was before it was fux0red by Sega's lesser programmers...

[jlued686]

Yeah, it sucks for the Dreamcast version of Smash Pack too.  Unfortunate, as playing Golden Axe on my DC was the only reason I bought it.  The sound...godawful...

[RCduck7]

I recently played alien storm becausse of the fond memories, very similar to Golden Axe and only different in style ( except for that it has a bonus shooting thing between levels).

Good to play for half an hour but not one for the history books.

[TR0N]

I'll be the first to say that EGM was among the worst for this kind of favouritism (they knocked a lot of Neo Geo games left and right) but they all sucked when it all comes down to it. And I'm 30, btw.

Wouldn't say every game on the.. NeoGeo sucked.

Sure it had it's share of turds like with any system.

Still it had it's share of gems also.

MetalSlug
Kof serise
Samurai Shodown 2 heh my all time favorite
Strikers 1945 Plus
Magicial Drop III
Nam 1975
Magician Lord
View Point
Last Blade
Garou MOTW

To name a few.

As for EGM they been going down hill ever since, Ed sold the mag all those years ago.

[TR0N]

On the Golden Axe subject...we picked up a copy of Golden Axe for the GBA today (a Sega Smashpack containing Ecco, Sonic Spinball, and Golden Axe) and all I have to say is...if the PCE version plays as badly as the GBA version, then it's no wonder why people say it sucks. Wow, the GBA version is the essence of ass. You can't see what's going on most of the time because the colours are way too dark, the game scrolls way too fast, the enemy AI is jacked way up higher than the original PLUS they move too fast, and it's based on the Genesis version rather than the arcade original. A total slobjob.

After playing through it (and yes, beating it, it's not hard when you're used to the Genesis version anyways), I had to play through the arcade original to be reminded of what a truly great game Golden Axe was before it was fux0red by Sega's lesser programmers...

Sega been lazy period when it comes to.. emulation.

Given how the, Sega Smash Pack turn out for the DC

[Keranu]

Neo Geo rules.

[NeoFreak]

I recently played alien storm becausse of the fond memories, very similar to Golden Axe and only different in style ( except for that it has a bonus shooting thing between levels).

please, dont even mention its name; it hurts me too much. [I sold my minty fresh copy in the mid '90s along with  BioHazard Battle] I still regret it so much. Those were the last games I ever sold, I just can't do it.

[OldRover]

Wouldn't say every game on the.. NeoGeo sucked.

I didn't say every game on the NeoGeo sucked, I said every magazine sucked. The NeoGeo was awesome.

[TR0N]

Wouldn't say every game on the.. NeoGeo sucked.

I didn't say every game on the NeoGeo sucked, I said every magazine sucked. The NeoGeo was awesome.

Ok no problem then the way you said it i wasn't sure

I do agree just about every... game mag today does sucked.

It would be nice if there was a, magazine by gamers for gamers.

[Keranu]

There are some magazines out there that our strictly for classic games, but I forgot the names of them. One starts with an M... "Mancy Games" maybe?

[NeoFreak]

some of you may not know, there is a new mag called Hardcore Gamer, its put together by some of the guys from the original GameFan staff. [No ECM, i think he had a break down after the whole GameGO! magazine fiasco] It's starting out pretty good, the third issue is due in August.

i also subscribe to Play, really nice writing and layout. caters to the hardcore, while staying in the mainstream.

[CrackTiger]

Wouldn't say every game on the.. NeoGeo sucked.

I didn't say every game on the NeoGeo sucked, I said every magazine sucked. The NeoGeo was awesome.

Ok no problem then the way you said it i wasn't sure

I do agree just about every... game mag today does sucked.

It would be nice if there was a, magazine by gamers for gamers.

Thats what Play is supposed to be.

[GUTS]

Too bad Dave Halverson is a fucking retard, "OH MY GOD EVERY GAME EVER RELEASED IS THE BEST GAME EVER!".

[TR0N]

Wouldn't say every game on the.. NeoGeo sucked.

I didn't say every game on the NeoGeo sucked, I said every magazine sucked. The NeoGeo was awesome.

Ok no problem then the way you said it i wasn't sure

I do agree just about every... game mag today does sucked.

It would be nice if there was a, magazine by gamers for gamers.

Thats what Play is supposed to be.

Blah i've look at issue of, Play the magazine trys to be every thing.

When all i realy want is a mag about.... video games nothing more.

[twor2005]

Too bad Dave Halverson is a fucking retard, "OH MY GOD EVERY GAME EVER RELEASED IS THE BEST GAME EVER!".

Didn't he used to work for Gamefan? Yeah that was quite the hype machine. Especially for the companies they were in bed with; lets see- atari, crystal dynamics, treasure, did I miss any?

[NeoFreak]

Too bad Dave Halverson is a fucking retard, "OH MY GOD EVERY GAME EVER RELEASED IS THE BEST GAME EVER!".

Didn't he used to work for Gamefan? Yeah that was quite the hype machine. Especially for the companies they were in bed with; lets see- atari, crystal dynamics, treasure, did I miss any?

yeah crystal dynamics, remember that blood omen issue? it was probably about 12 pages of balls to the walls coverage. i did buy it on release though.

[twor2005]

I missed that one. Loved the game though. Wish they would do another 2D Kain game. They are sitting on a DS/GBA goldmine if nothing else.

[TR0N]

Too bad Dave Halverson is a fucking retard, "OH MY GOD EVERY GAME EVER RELEASED IS THE BEST GAME EVER!".

Didn't he used to work for Gamefan? Yeah that was quite the hype machine. Especially for the companies they were in bed with; lets see- atari, crystal dynamics, treasure, did I miss any?

Yeah did start out at GameFan then he left.

Then he started.. GamersRepublic then he trash it and started Play.

I swear what a douchbag i thought, GamersRepublic was good enough

[GUTS]

Here's a great article on how awesome Dave Halverson is.

Some of those qoutes are awesome, I wish there was a site dedicated to all of that guy's super ridiculous BS.  One of those Gamefan guys, I think his name was Shidoshi, used to post on usenet all the time and once in a while he'd let fly some dirt on what a shithead Halverson was.  I just remember shidoshi always mentioning how Halverson would slap his name on other people's reviews and edit other people's reviews so they matched his opinion, it was pretty hilarious.