What is the worst game on the PC Engine?

[SignOfZeta]

I mentioned Energy back on page one of this thread. To really see how crappy it is you have to see a video or play it yourself. Even so, as bad as it is, its still better than Fantastic Four on PS1 or Superman 64.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I mentioned Energy back on page one of this thread. To really see how crappy it is you have to see a video or play it yourself. Even so, as bad as it is, its still better than Fantastic Four on PS1 or Superman 64.

Energy is a decent game.   Yeah it's kinda gimpy, but its at least got some charm.   The scenery/setting is pretty cool, and while the controls do suck a fat one, its still alright.

It kind of reminds me of what'd happen if a Commodore 64 programming team got ahold of a PCE....

clunky controls, not alot of bells and whistles...... ;)

[DesmondThe3rd]

Deep Blue, Double Dungeons, Magical Dinosaur Tour, and Falcon are all pretty bad but the champion of the worst ever TG-16 game I ever played goes to the horrofic 3D mess Gunboat.

[WoodyXP]

golden axe on  cd rom was terrible

Agreed.  Golden Axe on PCE is proof that you can turn gems into turds.

[Keith Courage]

Falcon and Gunboat get my vote. They are both boring and have horrible game play.

[blueraven]

Trashing Deep Blue is a bannable offense here on PCEFX.

Quoted for Truth

[TR0N]

Trashing Deep Blue is a bannable offense here on PCEFX.

Quoted for Truth

Uhh tell that to spida1a 

[Mathius]

Trashing Deep Blue is a bannable offense here on PCEFX.

Quoted for Truth

Uhh tell that to spida1a  

He's entitled to his opinion. If you have his vol 2 DVD check out his commentary for Deep Blue for further reasons why he dislikes the game.

When we start pointing fingers at people just because they share their negative opinions openly, and give justifications for said opinions, then we should be ashamed. I am not saying that we can't disagree with him. Just don't write the guy off just because he views a game differently.

Sunteam doesn't really care for A Link to the Past. I think it's one of the greatest adventures one can have in front of a TV. But, I am not going to smack him in the back of the head and ask, "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" I respect his views.

[TR0N]

Trashing Deep Blue is a bannable offense here on PCEFX.

Quoted for Truth

Uhh tell that to spida1a  

He's entitled to his opinion. If you have his vol 2 DVD check out his commentary for Deep Blue for further reasons why he dislikes the game.

When we start pointing fingers at people just because they share their negative opinions openly, and give justifications for said opinions, then we should be ashamed. I am not saying that we can't disagree with him. Just don't write the guy off just because he views a game differently.

Sunteam doesn't really care for A Link to the Past. I think it's one of the greatest adventures one can have in front of a TV. But, I am not going to smack him in the back of the head and ask, "What the hell is wrong with you?!?" I respect his views.

Hence the roll eyes icon i've seen the comments here on how to play DB.Though i wouldn't bother not my idea of a 'good time for a shoot'em up.If people enjoy it more power to them far as taste go's.Heck i've,seen how people like spida1a and sunteam rate shockman while it has it's flaws i enjoy the game regardless.

Btw i'd link that deep blue review in a joking manner to see what the reponse would be.

[soop]

Far from being "completist" I'm only snapping up games that I like on the PCE.  I was lucky enough to actually start with some smashing games with my PCE GT, but I tend to so a bit of research now, so I should avoid really bad games.

The games in my collection that I would probably avoid playing are...

I guess The Kung Fu.  Which is understandable, because it's more of a tech demo.  First game I ever bought (chose) along with Street Fighter II.  Based purely on the cover, and the fact that it was called "Drunken Master" by the shop.
and maybe Hany on the Road (also bought based on the cover) which I'm not a huge fan of.

[OldRover]

I cast my vote for ether Energy or Golden Axe. I would vote Deep Blue but the reason I can't play that game is due to the horrid music... the gameplay itself gets better as you practice... and practice... and practice... but neither Energy nor Golden Axe have any saving graces. Both suck hardcore. HARDCORE.

[apachacha]

I mentioned Energy back on page one of this thread. To really see how crappy it is you have to see a video or play it yourself. Even so, as bad as it is, its still better than Fantastic Four on PS1 or Superman 64.

Energy is a decent game.   Yeah it's kinda gimpy, but its at least got some charm.   The scenery/setting is pretty cool, and while the controls do suck a fat one, its still alright.

I can't get through the subway station, I always get utterly raped before even passing through half the upper path !

[termis]

Wonder Momo.  God, what a horrible game. 

And to top it off, Wonder Momo is also associated with the worst song video clip I've ever seen/heard in my life.

[Arkhan Asylum]

WHAT THE FUCKS WRONG WITH MOMO?

SRSLY. DA FUCK

[Opethian]

PLEASE PLAY WONDER MOMO!

worst game for me would probably be Fail Spin

[Ceti Alpha]

Wonder Momo. That game is mind-numbingly bad.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Wonder MoMo is very fun.

[nat]

Wonder Momo is better than bottom-tier crap like Xevious, Genpei Toumaden, and Talespin... But not by much. At least it's an interesting premise.

I'm having a hard time thinking of a Duo game that is worse than Xevious, Genpei, or Talespin. Oh, I guess there is KLAX. And JJ and Jeff. It really doesn't get much worse than those five.

I laugh hysterically at anyone who thinks that Deep Blue is even close to the same league as these heaps of detritus.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Klax is retarded and the logo is like a bad 90s rap music video, summed up into one stupid hand.

I really liked Genpei Toumaden.  Whats wrong with it?!

[nat]

Interesting ideas gone horribly, horribly wrong. Some of the worst visuals on the console (not all of them, but some). Horrendous controls. Throw it all together to make one of the worst shitstorms on the system.

At least Namco did right by taking the positive elements and constructing Samurai Ghost, a much better game.

[RR1980]

Interesting ideas gone horribly, horribly wrong. Some of the worst visuals on the console (not all of them, but some). Horrendous controls. Throw it all together to make one of the worst shitstorms on the system.

At least Namco did right by taking the positive elements and constructing Samurai Ghost, a much better game.

yeah with that cover and the game idea you really expected something really awesome and right the way you would noticed that the graphics aren't quite up to snuff and the controls are terrible but I guess the first one must have sold well enough that it warranted a sequel

[SignOfZeta]

Wonder MoMo is very fun.

I don't know about "very fun", but it's a least a C- game, which is more than I can say for Genpei Toumaden.

Really though this discussion has made me realize that even the worst PCE games aren't really that bad. There are at least 50 Famicom games that are worse than Energy on PCE. Also, 50 worse games on PS1, C64, and about 200 worse games on 2600.

The hate for Wonder Mono and Kato and Ken...again, people live sheltered lives. Compare to say...Kinnukuman on Famicom. I mean, I LOVE Kinnikuman as a manga (have for decades) but that is a HORRIBLE game. Those Wisdom Tree games for NES? What about the Ikari ports on Famicom? Fantastic Four for PS1? Just about any 2600 game that isn't Combat, Warlords, or Pitfall? Awesome Possum?!?

I'd actually say that the worst PCE games are probably the sim shit like Graduation (just because you either have to be a pederast or 12 years old to not be totally creeped out by them) or the most anticlimactic thing of all: HuCard digital comics which are just boring as hell (and language has nothing to do with it). Then of course there is the mahjong and pachi-slot BS...but even those are all just inherently shitty concepts, not badly made games.

[termis]

There are incredulous responses everywhere, but in the end, they're all just opinions.  And you know what they say, opinions are like assholes...

I also think a lot of these games that are being named are nowhere near the worst game, let alone bad -- and some, I think are outright good!  Games like Xevious, Klax, KCKC, China Warrior, & NES Ikari games, I had fun with at one point or another.  Hell, even MUSCLE wasn't half bad when playing with a friend (though to be honest, that was when I was like 9 - I recenly tried it again within the past year, and it did suck pretty bad).

[Tatsujin]

There are incredulous responses everywhere, but in the end, they're all just opinions.  And you know what they say, opinions are like assholes...

[Ceti Alpha]

OK, Klax might have to be one of the worst I've played.

To me, Xevious plays like a typical shooter and is, by far, nowhere near bottom-tier - it's nowhere near top-tier action, i.e. Nexzr, either. I guess I find sci-fi more interesting than some girl fighting clumsily on a stage. Kung-Fu and Vigilante play better than Wonder Momo and I don't particularly think much of those games. That's just my asshole...I mean opinion.

[jlued686]

On the US side, I don't know if it's the "worst" game, but my least favorite game is Night Creatures. Wow...terrible game.

[SignOfZeta]

Is the PCE version of Klax especially buggy or ugly or something? I ask because I've played other versions and had zero problem with it, yet people keep bringing it up.

Another thing I've learned from this thread is that if you get enough people together there will be a stated defense for ANY GAME. ANYTHING. Arkhan, for example. He apparently likes almost everything made, even shitty MSX games. Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.

[Ceti Alpha]

I think the problem with Klax is that it really isn't that great of a game to begin with. There are a ton of puzzle games on the PCE that offer better gameplay, better graphics and better sound. I'd personally rather play Tetris on the Gameboy. That said, I'm sure there are Klax fanatics that would love an Atari 2600 port of the game. As far as the TG/PCE port, it's pretty faithful from what I can tell. I honestly haven't played much of either. Basically, if you like Klax you'd probably find the TG/PCE port to be a fun and faithful port of the arcade.

I just took a quick glance at the Genesis port and I find the sound better on that version. It's less faithful to the arcade, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The FM synthesis on the Genesis actually provides softer, less harsh, sound fx. The sounds in that game can be rather abrasive.

I don't think there's any game that would get 100% unanimity for being the worst game, or the best game, for that matter. There are people here whom I consider to have very similar tastes in games as me that happen to like certain titles I wouldn't go near. That actually makes threads like this fun. It would be pretty boring if everybody had the exact same opinions.

[soop]

Is the PCE version of Klax especially buggy or ugly or something? I ask because I've played other versions and had zero problem with it, yet people keep bringing it up.

Another thing I've learned from this thread is that if you get enough people together there will be a stated defense for ANY GAME. ANYTHING. Arkhan, for example. He apparently likes almost everything made, even shitty MSX games. Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.

I've not been here long, but Arkhan does NOT like the Amiga.  Which, incidentally, the Klax port of which I like.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Is the PCE version of Klax especially buggy or ugly or something? I ask because I've played other versions and had zero problem with it, yet people keep bringing it up.

Another thing I've learned from this thread is that if you get enough people together there will be a stated defense for ANY GAME. ANYTHING. Arkhan, for example. He apparently likes almost everything made, even shitty MSX games. Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.

I don't like everything.  I hate most C64 games.  the arcade ports are frigging shit.  The action platformers are mental.

Most Amiga games are shitty European attempts at Japanese arcade quality.  You end up with dodgy gameplay, crappy sampled guitars...., one button crap.   The RPGs were great though, and all the weird games.  Flashback on Amiga was great... but its great everywhere.  Esp. Sega CD, where I don't need an annoying rig just to play it.  As a whole, the C64 and Amiga are about the most unamusing gaming platforms I've ever tried.

I have this strange ability that I think alot of people lack: to look past certain faults in a game and enjoy the game.  I like Hydlide.  Americans as a whole hate the game.  Japanese people sure did love it enough to get 3 games, remakes, and all kinds of stuff.  So, if liking Hydlide makes me have problems, so does most of Japan.  There is a difference between minor flaws, and total horse shit.   Hydlides a bit vauge, the combat system is strange (but its also NEW, considering its the first to do it like that... and then Ys followed suit).   ... but the controls are fine.  The graphics are fine for the time... theres an interesting plot, and enough to make the game amusing.

But other games.... say, Sidearms for C64.  What is going on.  Stupid music, horrible, muddy, disastrous graphics.... terrible controls.  The list could go on and on for most ports on the C64. 

What shitty MSX games are we referring to here?  Id be willing to bet these "shitty" games are MSX classics.  People see the blocky scrolling and go OMG ITS CRAP.   Its just eye-games.  Its scrolling the same as if it were smooth scrolling.  Its just in chunks of 8.

And like you've said here, and like I've already said tons of times in the past, long ago, even the worst PCE games out there are pretty good.  Energy is pretty bad compared to the top tier games, but its still not bad.   There are TONS of shit NES games, Atari 2600 games, and C64 games.

Real shit.  Double Dragon on C64 shit.

The shittiest PCE has appears to be Energy or something.   Shining diamonds compared to Double Dragon on C64.  

[nat]

The Turbo port of KLAX is fine, except it has no music. The biggest problem is that KLAX sucks ass to begin with.

[Arkhan Asylum]

The Turbo port of KLAX is fine, except it has no music. The biggest problem is that KLAX sucks ass to begin with.

that alone without even playing the game, will tell you it sucks.

I remember the first time I played Klax. 

I asked "Is this it? this is all I do?!" and they told me "yes" and I pulled the fucker out of the Genesis and went "put in Golden axe before I kill you"

I mustve been around 10 at the time

[TurboXray]

Its like he lacks human judgement skills or something. Defending Ikari on Famicom? While I was a HUGE fan of Ikari 1 and 2 in the arcade, the NES/FC versions are CRAP. They look like crap, play like crap, and the first one is, I'm pretty sure, completely impossible to beat without a cheat code, which is bullshit.

It's been ages since I played Ikari warriors on the NES, but I don't remember having any problem with the games. They weren't great arcade ports, but I didn't think they were shitty either. Then again, I loved Zelda 2 and Fester's Quest was actually fun (even if I didn't beat it). I also liked Heavy Barrel on the NES. How do you rate that one?

[Arkhan Asylum]

Whats wrong with Zelda 2, festers quest, and heavy barrel!?  do people rag on them?

Also, Ikari 1 on NES was great.   I still play that game alot.  Though Guerilla War and Iron Tank are more fun.

[nat]

Zelda 2 > all other Zeldas

[roflmao]

 I loved playing Klax back in the day on my Express.  It played really well on the Express when a lot of other TG16 games didn't carry over well to that tiny screen.  Of course I LOVED Tetris and am generally a fan of "casual" puzzle games, so maybe I'm biased...

Dangit, now I want to hunt down Klax again...

[Ceti Alpha]

Whats wrong with Zelda 2, festers quest, and heavy barrel!?  do people rag on them?

Zelda 2 > all other Zeldas

Oh man. Zelda 2 was the shit. Who could possibly crap on that game? Zelda 2 was actually my introduction to the series. Love it.

[Mathius]

Whats wrong with Zelda 2, festers quest, and heavy barrel!?  do people rag on them?

Zelda 2 > all other Zeldas

Oh man. Zelda 2 was the shit. Who could possibly crap on that game? Zelda 2 was actually my introduction to the series. Love it.

Although not my introduction to series, I don't remember being any more excited for a game's release than Zelda 2! I must have rented it a zillion times before my dad broke down and bought it outside of Christmas or my B-day. Zelda 2 simply rulz!

[Arkhan Asylum]

It seems to be bashed heavily, while the first game, which is an overly generic, simple, kind of repetitive game that is bested by Neutopia and Golvellius, gets treated like royalty.

The first one is nice and all, but its not exactly the most amazing thing ever.  The graphics are kinda derp, among other crap.

[OldRover]

I still remember TV promos for the first Zelda, touting it like it had the most amazing graphics ever. Hell, SMB looked better. Zelda 2 rapes Zelda 1 many times over, not only in looks but also in gameplay style and things to do. It's also noticeably harder. Someday I would like to remake Zelda 2 for the PCE on hucard, with sweet new graphics and improved sound. Squirrel 3 ftw!

Anyways, while I think that Wonder Momo is a... well... rather subpar game, it's certainly not as bad as Energy. Its purpose is just rather stupid and juvenile, though I love the loads of gratuitous panty shots. Xevious... well, it's a pretty lame shooter to begin with, but I don't think it's bargain barrel rubbish either. It doesn't look or play too different from the arcade version. And Klax... the premise of the game is pretty dumb, so the PCE version isn't gonna improve an already stupid idea (hey, it's an Atari game, what do you want?). Despite that though, the PCE version of Klax plays very well, even if the concept itself is rather ridiculous. I've never finished it because it gets boring (I did finish the NES version long ago though... the final level is really patience-trying).

[Arkhan Asylum]

Klax is what happens when you try to capture the magic of tetris but miss all of the magic in the process.

Wonder Momo is stupid and juvenile.  Its about as serious as RoyVegas' love for the turbo.

sick burn.

[Gogan]

This thread makes me sad

[soop]

This thread makes me sad

Well, I understand... but it's better than Sega forums' constant justification of "why the genesis is the best thing ever".  That's what I love about you guys, problem solving, introspective, loving-the-system, let's concentrate on the PCE-ness of you all.

Hell, I don't need to justify my love, and the "what could have been" thread made me a bit sad...  but if you want to cheer yourself up, just turn the fucker on

[Gogan]

Think I'll fire up some Energy to lift my spirits.

[Arkhan Asylum]

USE ENERGY TO BOOST YOUR ENERGY

HAH.

I like the game, I play it at least once a week.  They should make another one.

[SignOfZeta]

It's been ages since I played Ikari warriors on the NES, but I don't remember having any problem with the games. They weren't great arcade ports, but I didn't think they were shitty either. Then again, I loved Zelda 2 and Fester's Quest was actually fun (even if I didn't beat it). I also liked Heavy Barrel on the NES. How do you rate that one?

As a kid I was a HUGE fan of Ikari. Victory Road in particular, but the first game as well. VR is like a crazy "that might have been a dream I had" version of the first game. Its in space, and there are suits of armor and swords and shit. Awesome as HELL that game is.

The problems with the NES versions of these games are pretty common when talking about NES ports of arcade games in general. The graphics are shit, everything is slow, every sprite on screen is in a perpetual state of either flicker, slowdown, or just only being only half there. That's actually my biggest problem with NES games in general. Aside from the very early games and overhead RPGs everything seems to flicker all the time. It drives me nuts. The more advanced the games got the worse the flicker got. By the time we got to Mighty Final Fight or the Turtles and Battle Toads games...you could pretty much only see half of any on screen character at a time. People just...put up with it, but it drove me crazy. Nothing in the arcade did that. Nothing on my Colecovision did that. WTF?

Like many arcade ports on NES "enhancements" were made. Ikari 1 is now so fucking long that you'll probably kill yourself before you finish it. You might even die of old age before you finish it because you can't beat it without a cheat code, and even if you have the code you still might not beat it because even the cheat code is limited.

For Victory Road I have to confess that I didn't try quite as hard to finish this one since when I rented it it was obvious that it was just as bad. It has SHOPS in it for fucks sake. What the hell is the deal with adding shops to NES ports of arcade games? Stryder, Rygar...these games had no shops in the arcade and were much better that way.

Regarding Heavy Barrel: While Victory Road is my favorite "rotating stick Rambo game" I did love Heavy Barrel. I didn't even bother with the NES version. My arcade got rid of it before I could finish it but I had a chance to clear it a couple of weeks ago when I visited Galloping Ghost arcade in the Chicago area.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I beat Ikari 1 for NES.  It could have been better but it was still ok.  It's kinda slow...

This turned out better.  It's basically Ikari Warriors.   

Ikari Warriors 2 was still fun too.  It could've been worse.  The C64 Ikari 1 looks like it is pretty great.  The controls suck, the graphics are C64, and there's like 1 song in the entire game.  The NES one trumps that nonsense!

or it coulda been this:

lolol.

but, yeah, flicker.  Welcome to NES.

This makes me sad.  Is it Ninja Spirit, or RUN TO THE RIGHT: THE GAME.   What's sad is it looks like one of the better C64 games.  But, this thread isn't about that stupid ass computer.

[apachacha]

USE ENERGY TO BOOST YOUR ENERGY

HAH.

I like the game, I play it at least once a week.  They should make another one.

Would you have any recomendations how not to die in the subway stage while trying to go the upper path ?

[Arkhan Asylum]

USE ENERGY TO BOOST YOUR ENERGY

HAH.

I like the game, I play it at least once a week.  They should make another one.

Would you have any recomendations how not to die in the subway stage while trying to go the upper path ?

If you're not already doing it.  Go slow.  I don't care if it's an action game!   I go slow through some parts of that game, like a patient sniper.

are you playing with the turbo buttons and crap? I find sometimes if you do that, you hold buttons to attack and then when you need to jump/move around, you're kind of stuck for half a second, because the controls are a bit tardy.

Today is Thursday.  I haven't played Energy since last weds.  TODAY IS THE DAY I DO IT AGAIN.


Anyone else have a rotation of games they play weekly? lol

I play China Warrior, Energy, Bonk 1, KC, and Last Alert every week usually.

[soop]

I couldn't play a game like Bonk with regularity.  I'd probably leave it for a long time after I beat it, or have one big session where I get as far as I can.

I'm aiming to loan out some of my units to friends, and I'll probably inlude PC Genjin as I've completed it.

The games I play most often are Street Fighter II  (have to let my thumbs heal back though ;) ), a bit of Volfied, Puzznic, Ghouls and Ghosts and shootemups.

I've been taking my Nomad to work though, trying to complete Castle of Illusion in my lunch break (and running out of time), and I was just playing Rocket Knight Adventures, which is an incredible game.  I'll need to sit down and finish Castle of Illusion on the weekend, and then hand it off to a friend to share the love.