The RX pad dpad sucks balls

Arkhan Asylum · 01/23/2011, 10:21 AM

Its stiff and retarded

esteban · 01/23/2011, 11:20 AM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/23/2011, 10:21 AMIts stiff and retarded

Send the RX pad to me and I'll send you some chocolates*. I'm serious.

* Or other items I can see from my dining table.

nat · 01/23/2011, 01:42 PM

I agree. That d-pad kills an otherwise fantastic pad. I don't actually have an RX pad, but I have an FX pad which is the same thing. I absolutely love the design. But that d-pad.... ugh.

Tablet · 01/23/2011, 01:50 PM

Oh that's a shame they look a helluva lot more comfortable than the avenue 6 pads.... is there any possibility of swapping out the d-pad's rubber membrane with say a 2 button controller? I am of course assuming it's the rubber membrane that's making it stiff.

blueraven · 01/23/2011, 01:58 PM

That's why I use the Avenue Pad 6!

BlueBMW · 01/23/2011, 02:30 PM

If the RX pad is like the FX pad.. then I agree... sucks ballz

nat · 01/23/2011, 04:13 PM

Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/23/2011, 02:30 PMIf the RX pad is like the FX pad.. then I agree... sucks ballz

It's not just like it, it's the exact same pad. Only the connector on the end of the cable is different.

The Ave 6. pad is deceiving-- don't judge a book by its cover, as cliched as that sounds. It runs circles around the RX/FX pad.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/23/2011, 05:04 PM

I was trying to play some frigging Coryoon, and that shits impossible with that Dpad

the d stands for direction, not derp.

damn garbage.

nikdog · 01/23/2011, 06:00 PM

Quote from: nat on 01/23/2011, 04:13 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/23/2011, 02:30 PMIf the RX pad is like the FX pad.. then I agree... sucks ballz
It's not just like it, it's the exact same pad. Only the connector on the end of the cable is different.

So I could made a PCE pad to PCFX pad cablé?

nat · 01/23/2011, 06:25 PM

Not sure... Never tried it. The key would be to open up a RX pad and an FX pad and see what's going on inside.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/23/2011, 06:35 PM

Quote from: nat on 01/23/2011, 06:25 PMNot sure... Never tried it. The key would be to open up a RX pad and an FX pad and see what's going on inside.

someone did that once here I thought. there were photoes

esteban · 01/23/2011, 06:38 PM

nikdog · 01/23/2011, 07:14 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/23/2011, 06:35 PM
Quote from: nat on 01/23/2011, 06:25 PMNot sure... Never tried it. The key would be to open up a RX pad and an FX pad and see what's going on inside.
someone did that once here I thought. there were photoes

Well you have both. Photos!

Tatsujin · 01/23/2011, 07:35 PM

QuoteThe RX pad dpad sucks balls

QFT!!

termis · 01/24/2011, 01:47 AM

Anyone ever use the Avenue 6 pad as their everyday pad?

It's a decent pad enough, but I find the positioning of buttons I & II (the default buttons used for 90%+ of PCE games) to be a little awkward -- it's a little too close to the corner of the pad, and my thumb doesn't feel too natural sitting in that position.

I find myself going back to the Turbo Duo pad, which is slightly wider than the PCE pads, as the default PCE/TG16 pad of choice.

Anyway, bitch, bitch, bitch -- the ave 6 pad is still pretty decent. It's just not my default pad of choice.

The RX pad clearly looks the best, though.

nat · 01/24/2011, 01:49 AM

Quote from: termis on 01/24/2011, 01:47 AMAnyone ever use the Avenue 6 pad as their everyday pad?

I did for years until I picked up my first Blaster 3-button pad. I'd still use the Ave 6 as my everyday pad if it had a 3-button mode instead of just 2 and 6.

Tatsujin · 01/24/2011, 02:19 AM

Its buttons look like XTC-pills.

shubibiman · 01/24/2011, 06:13 AM

RX/FX pads look and feel like 3 year old child toys.

Nazi NecroPhile · 01/24/2011, 11:26 AM

Quote from: nat on 01/23/2011, 04:13 PMOnly the connector on the end of the cable is different.

Don't forget the lack of turbo switches.

GohanX · 01/24/2011, 01:31 PM

Quote from: nat on 01/24/2011, 01:49 AMI did for years until I picked up my first Blaster 3-button pad. I'd still use the Ave 6 as my everyday pad if it had a 3-button mode instead of just 2 and 6.

How does the third button on that controller work? Does it simply remap start or select? I've always wanted a three button pad for Forgotten Worlds, and NSCX has some of the Blasters right now. I was a little sad when I got my Ave 6 and it didn't have a 3 button mode.

MotherGunner · 01/24/2011, 06:39 PM

I like the Hori pad, but haven't been able to score one. Anything that resembles an SNES pad must be good though right?

esteban · 01/24/2011, 07:51 PM

Quote from: JKM on 01/24/2011, 01:31 PM
Quote from: nat on 01/24/2011, 01:49 AMI did for years until I picked up my first Blaster 3-button pad. I'd still use the Ave 6 as my everyday pad if it had a 3-button mode instead of just 2 and 6.
How does the third button on that controller work? Does it simply remap start or select? I've always wanted a three button pad for Forgotten Worlds, and NSCX has some of the Blasters right now. I was a little sad when I got my Ave 6 and it didn't have a 3 button mode.

Some copies of Forgotten Worlds were indeed packaged with NEC's three button pad. The switch remaps the "start" (or is it "select"?) button. Anyway, it was a nice big box. I have one somewhere (I moved four years ago and have yet to unpack everything). I'll take a pic if I find it.

A long time ago, at the magicengine forum, I was compiling a list of games that benefitted from the three-button pad. Unfortunately, the magicengine forums crashed and we lost ~2+ years worth of conversation (apparently, the most "recent" back-up of the forum was pretty old).

I'd love to create another "Games that benefit from a three-button pad" mini-FAQ. I think I'll start a thread.

bartre · 01/24/2011, 08:01 PM

avenue 3 remaps the 3rd button to select.
Dracula X uses it as the "item crash" thing.

nat · 01/25/2011, 12:38 AM

Quote from: bartre on 01/24/2011, 08:01 PMavenue 3 remaps the 3rd button to select.

Actually, there should be a toggle switch that will tell Button III to either duplicate Run or Select.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/24/2011, 11:26 AM
Quote from: nat on 01/23/2011, 04:13 PMOnly the connector on the end of the cable is different.
Don't forget the lack of turbo switches.

True, but the FX pad has those switches anyway... They toggle between "Mode" A and B. I'm not sure if they really do anything at all as all the buttons all seem to behave the same in Mode B as Mode A.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/26/2011, 10:59 AM

THIS JUST IN:

PLAYING SAPPHIRE WITH AN RX PAD RESULTS IN ANGER AND RAGE

VestCunt · 01/26/2011, 01:00 PM

Dang. I've always wanted an RX pad (the only pad with a dedicated turbo switch for button VI!

) and until now I don't think anyone has complained on these forums.

I used the Avenue 6 for a while. It's easy on the thumb, but the D-Pad is kind of mushy and the lack of precision makes it difficult to pull off special moves in SF2. The Hori pad is precise and comfortable, but the shared switch for buttons I and VI has always been a pet peeve...not that there's a single game where it would be a problem.

Nazi NecroPhile · 01/26/2011, 02:11 PM

Even though everyone dogs on it, I still want an RX pad. Yes, I am le dumb.

blueraven · 01/26/2011, 03:25 PM

Quote from: VestCunt on 01/26/2011, 01:00 PMThe D-Pad is kind of mushy and the lack of precision makes it difficult to pull off special moves in SF2. The Hori pad is precise and comfortable, but the shared switch for buttons I and VI has always been a pet peeve...not that there's a single game where it would be a problem.

Really? I love the Avenue 6, and it's deceptively comfortable on the hands. I was originally intimidated by it, but it was my first PCE controller even before a 2-button so i got used to it quickly. I found it really easy to do the specials, and noted to a friend that it was much easier than the snes controller.

I think that the Hori Pad is a pile of Junk, capital J, and found it to be as stiff and unresponsive as everyone here has been complaining about the RX pad. To each their own.

Opethian · 01/26/2011, 04:02 PM

I use an Avenue 3 and it rocks !
before I had that I used a shuttle pad and that one would be the preferred method for me

grahf · 03/02/2011, 11:40 PM

So I picked up a slightly yellowed PC-FX pad the other day. It turns out that internally it's nothing like a PCE pad. So I did a hardware hack using the IC from a crusty non-turbo PCE pad. It's just a simple hack using buttons I and II only. No turbo or anything and the other 4 buttons do nothing.

Anyway, it's not bad. I have a real RX pad back in the US and that was OK too. It just needs a bit of breaking in. I think it also depends on how you use your dpad. Some people like to lift and press their thumb on different directions, and others like to keep their thumbs in the center and rock the dpad back and forth. I'm a rocker

Arkhan Asylum · 03/03/2011, 12:10 AM

You cant play fighting games if you aren't a rocker.

and you can't ...

well, you can't do much of anything good if you don't rock.

grahf · 03/03/2011, 06:20 AM

It's my belief that only those who rock can appreciate the RX pad

I posted this before in the "Who designed the PCE" thread, but there's one thing that bothers me about all of the OEM controllers. I don't like how the dpad is shifted towards the bottom of the controller. I guess it's because I have big hands, but it just makes the controllers a little uncomfortable. Everyone seems to love the Avenue 6, for example, but the dpad is just too low for me to hold it comfortably. For some reason the Avenue 3 feels amazing despite it's low dpad, and it's one of my favorite controllers. Maybe i'll mod my "PC-FX hack pad" to make the III button selectable

Quote from: Tatsujin on 01/24/2011, 02:19 AMIts buttons look like XTC-pills.

The PC-FX pad has a gray dpad and buttons. It looks a lot better, IMO. Still not the sexiest pad out there though.

blueraven · 03/05/2011, 11:44 PM

Hows that thumb blister, grahf?

Arkhan Asylum · 03/06/2011, 12:06 AM

I noticed however, the FX pad seems more responsive than the RX pad.

Not by much, but a little.

It helps that most games dont require lots of fast thumb jerking. Except for Zeroigar.

grahf · 03/06/2011, 03:57 AM

Quote from: blueraven on 03/05/2011, 11:44 PMHows that thumb blister, grahf?

Well played

Actually I don't have a blister at all. I've played through 60% of Dracula X with it, and 90% of Download the other night. Neither of which are all that demanding, granted, but I think it's fine.

Maybe you're on to something Arkhan. Does anyone have any internal shots of the RX pad? I want to compare the color of the rubber membrane. I'm pretty sure the plastic dpad itself is the same, but maybe there is a difference after all.

blueraven · 03/07/2011, 02:27 PM

Quote from: grahf on 03/06/2011, 03:57 AM
Quote from: blueraven on 03/05/2011, 11:44 PMHows that thumb blister, grahf?
Well played Actually I don't have a blister at all. I've played through 60% of Dracula X with it, and 90% of Download the other night. Neither of which are all that demanding, granted, but I think it's fine.

Well good stuff. If you enjoy it then rock on.

Duo_R · 03/07/2011, 09:55 PM

I wonder if the rx pad can be modded to be more responsive (like the 360 controller mods).

grahf · 03/07/2011, 10:02 PM

Maybe. The 360 has a tiny bit of free space between the plastic and rubber membrane, so putting a spacer in there makes a noticeable difference. The FX pad (and probably the RX pad, if they ARE the same), doesn't really have any free space. You could put a paper-thin spacer in there if you wanted too, and it might do something, but it could fuck things up as well. The rubber domes will be constantly pressed down and you'll end up hitting directions by accident.

Seriously though, doesn't anyone have pics of the inside of an RX controller? A couple of you guys have them, so could someone take it apart and take a look at it? Taking pics would be better, but at the very least we should see if the rubber membranes are the same color. That's a good way to see if they used the same parts or not.

Duo_R · 03/07/2011, 10:10 PM

I had someone send me some once. They aren't the same.

grahf · 03/08/2011, 03:12 AM

Well if that's true, maybe you guys can improve your RX pads by swapping in rubber membranes from the FX pads. The FX pads can be had for about 1000yen over here, but I have yet to see an RX pad in the wild (in the few weeks I've been looking at least).

blueraven · 03/08/2011, 06:57 PM

Quote from: grahf on 03/08/2011, 03:12 AMWell if that's true, maybe you guys can improve your RX pads by swapping in rubber membranes from the FX pads. The FX pads can be had for about 1000yen over here, but I have yet to see an RX pad in the wild (in the few weeks I've been looking at least).

If the diameter was the same it might work... Duo, are they close at least?

Duo_R · 03/08/2011, 07:53 PM

I can't find the photos...so don't remember

Quote from: blueraven on 03/08/2011, 06:57 PM
Quote from: grahf on 03/08/2011, 03:12 AMWell if that's true, maybe you guys can improve your RX pads by swapping in rubber membranes from the FX pads. The FX pads can be had for about 1000yen over here, but I have yet to see an RX pad in the wild (in the few weeks I've been looking at least).
If the diameter was the same it might work... Duo, are they close at least?

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The RX pad dpad sucks balls