Why the PCE? Why Not the Genesis or SNES???

_Paul · 03/26/2011, 04:17 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 03/26/2011, 02:59 AMI go with pc genjin 1 & 2

Yup yup

TheClash603 · 03/26/2011, 06:52 AM

Quote from: guest on 03/26/2011, 01:20 AM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 03/26/2011, 12:00 AMWhy is it that light gun games got worse after the NES? The 16-bit systems light gun games sucked, and the TG-16 didn't even get one. Virtua Cop/House of the Dead games excluded, I never touch a light gun game that's not for the NES.
Elemental Gearbolt, Project Horned Owl.

Get .

I was excited for Project Horned Owl and actually paid full price for the game on release day. It ended up being okay, but I didn't want to replay it like the NES gun games.

esteban · 03/26/2011, 11:15 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 03/26/2011, 12:08 AMWildgunman is still the best of the best
and the one for the movie

I have Wild Gunman for Famicom, too

What we need is a remixed Wild Gunman that is not based on short "rounds" but longer "stages".

That would be fun.

ddd1234 · 03/26/2011, 03:37 PM

Quote from: nat on 03/26/2011, 02:44 AMSuper Bonk 1 (Bonk 4) is really awful, though. I personally enjoy Bonk 3 (non-CD version) the best.

I believe that's going bit extreme, cuz i wouldn't really label super bonk was "really awful".
I mean, It's certainly very playable, and i stuck around until i finished it. So, I say it's above average.
As for Super Genjin 2 or whatever, I like the new graphics style. Hell, I own both games for my super Nintendo.
My ratings:-

Bonk's Adventure-8/10
Bonk's Revenge-8.5/10
Bonk 3-7.5/10
Super Bonk-7/10
Super Genjin 2-9/10

lord_cack · 03/26/2011, 05:25 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/26/2011, 03:37 PM
Quote from: nat on 03/26/2011, 02:44 AMSuper Bonk 1 (Bonk 4) is really awful, though. I personally enjoy Bonk 3 (non-CD version) the best.
I believe that's going bit extreme, cuz i wouldn't really label super bonk was "really awful".
I mean, It's certainly very playable, and i stuck around until i finished it. So, I say it's above average.
As for Super Genjin 2 or whatever, I like the new graphics style. Hell, I own both games for my super Nintendo.
My ratings:-

Bonk's Adventure-8/10
Bonk's Revenge-8.5/10
Bonk 3-7.5/10
Super Bonk-7/10
Super Genjin 2-9/10

Revenge will always be my favorite. The continuity of the levels, the enemies seemed to fit each level, the music fit, the bosses seemed appropriate per level, it just all flowed together very well. It felt as if Bonk was in a "world" not just tossed around from level to level. I mean the one game (can't recall which one) has Bonk in a city.... nah. Bonk 3's level design was horrible. It felt like the left overs from Adventure and Revenge got slapped together and here is what you get.

nat · 03/26/2011, 05:34 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/26/2011, 03:37 PM
Quote from: nat on 03/26/2011, 02:44 AMSuper Bonk 1 (Bonk 4) is really awful, though. I personally enjoy Bonk 3 (non-CD version) the best.
I believe that's going bit extreme, cuz i wouldn't really label super bonk was "really awful".

I would. Compared to the rest of them, anyway.

QuoteI mean, It's certainly very playable, and i stuck around until i finished it. So, I say it's above average.

Taken as a game outside of the Bonk series, it's "OK." It's far and away the worst of the five Bonk games, however. It seemed like with the 4th one they were trying to "one-up" Bonk 3, but the effort fell flat in every regard. Why is Bonk walking around modern-day cities? Better yet, why is the Chikkun army walking around modern cities? It makes no sense. You can't tell me that the prehistoric setting well had run dry; see the 5th game. Goofiness aside, the graphics are as bland as Bonk has every been. Colors are washed out, dull. Music tries to emulate the Bonk 3 style (probably the same composer), but while many tunes and melodies in 3 are memorable, the audio here is just completely forgettable and bland (yes, there's that word again). Like the other aspects of the game, it again seems like they were attempting to emulate Bonk 3 with the level design in part 4. Certain parts of certain levels almost seem like they were lifted directly from 3, and yet, the levels on the whole are much more boring and unintuitive. I've never bothered finishing the game. Not because it's hard, I just get bored and shut it off before that point.

Super Bonk 2 (the 5th game) is a much, much better effort overall and while I still don't like it as much as 3, it doesn't stand out of place next to the original TG-16 trilogy.

Shameless plug: You can find my in-depth views on the original trilogy, as well as those of my reliable brother runinruder at the following links. His reviews often come first on the page (yellow text), mine are after his (red text):

The Brothers Duomazov: Bonk's Adventure
The Brothers Duomazov: Bonk 2/Bonk's Revenge
The Brothers Duomazov: Bonk 3/Bonk's Big Adventure
The Brothers Duomazov: Bonk 3 CD

Arkhan Asylum · 03/26/2011, 05:46 PM

Bonk 1 is the best one as far as vibe goes. Its cartoony, but no so cartoony that its cartoony.

If that made any sense at all.

The 2nd and 3rd games are a bit toooooo cooky. Super Bonk 1 was like fullblown cooky. I like bonk 1's setup the most

CrackTiger · 03/26/2011, 07:03 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/26/2011, 03:37 PM
Quote from: nat on 03/26/2011, 02:44 AMSuper Bonk 1 (Bonk 4) is really awful, though. I personally enjoy Bonk 3 (non-CD version) the best.
I believe that's going bit extreme, cuz i wouldn't really label super bonk was "really awful".

I can't say how good of a game it is overall, but as far as Bonk games go, it's broken, bland and fugly at times.

If only someone would port it to Turbo/PCE with improved color and gameplay...

Joe Redifer · 03/26/2011, 07:43 PM

All Bonk games are pretty bad (I feel the same way about Sonic games), but I enjoy the first one the most. I like playing through stage one and defeating the boss. After that the power goes off. Bonk 2 has better music and seems bigger and more colorful, but it's still Bonk. Bonk 3 is just stupid.

OldRover · 03/26/2011, 08:46 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/26/2011, 07:03 PMIf only someone would port it to Turbo/PCE with improved color and gameplay...

This is something PD wants to do, but I'm not so sure... how do you really fix a fundamentally broken game like that?

ddd1234 · 03/26/2011, 09:08 PM

Or Someone please port Bonk 2 to the Snes with multi scrolls and higher quality music.

ddd1234 · 03/26/2011, 09:17 PM

I would like to apologize for lying. I was having too much fun playing a dumb S**t on this forum.

I am actually a pretty big fan of the PCE.

You can see my collection here (Complete in a box)-
http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/2/34/441/show-collection.htm

I am using a Duo-r with a 6 button Controller.

As for my collection, All i need is coryoon, world heroes 2, jackie chan and tatsujin, and i am good!

spenoza · 03/27/2011, 01:08 AM

OK, on Brothers Duomazov, the red text on the black background is not only ugly but a major pain (literally) to read, causing much eyestrain on me. From a usability perspective it's a rather poor choice.

nat · 03/27/2011, 01:59 AM

Strange, it's very clear on my LCD monitor. This is the first I've heard of this... Anyone else have this issue?

spenoza · 03/27/2011, 02:11 AM

It's the color contrast, among other things. The red doesn't contrast distinctly enough against the black. The thin line font doesn't help that, much. The solution is to use a color that contrasts more against the black. Truth told, dark backgrounds with light text, though popular, are harder to do right than most people think. It's subject a lot more to individual variations in perception than dark text on light backgrounds, and thus tends to be more fiddly. I found the entire site's color scheme a little on the unattractive side, but the yellow text at least is comfortably readable against the black background. The red just ain't doin' it, though.

nat · 03/27/2011, 02:27 AM

I hear what you're saying, but I think it also has a lot to do with the monitor in question. It contrasts very well on my LCD monitor, in fact it's almost clearer and easier to read for me to read than the yellow. I'd like to hear other people's opinions, as I said, this is the first I've heard of it. If the general consensus is that it's unreadable, I'll consider changing it.

I also wonder if your browser isn't rendering the font correctly; the font isn't supposed to be a thin-line font.

_Paul · 03/27/2011, 04:09 AM

It looks OK on my CRT.

SignOfZeta · 03/27/2011, 04:17 AM

Quote from: TheClash603 on 03/26/2011, 12:00 AMWhy is it that light gun games got worse after the NES? The 16-bit systems light gun games sucked, and the TG-16 didn't even get one. Virtua Cop/House of the Dead games excluded, I never touch a light gun game that's not for the NES.

Yet for the NES, I often play Hogan's Alley, Duck Hunt, Gotcha, and Chiller.

I'm curious as to why you would say that. The NES lightgun games are so boring and monotonous and easy they just last forever. I was at a show once where they ran a Duck Hunt tournament and it ran for so long that it ended up being more of a contest to see who could stand up/stay awake the longest rather than a question of accuracy. I think it ran 3 hours.

The best light gun games of all time are the Point Blank series, Oh Bakyuun (which I really fucking love) and Police Trainer. A lot of people haven't played Oh Bakyuun. I'm lucky that my local arcade has it, but it was released for PS1. Anyone with a pair of GunCons should get this game.

QuoteSomeone needs to do a Lucky and Wild home port to a system of their choosing; with multi-tap, wheel, and guns support.

That would be rad.

SignOfZeta · 03/27/2011, 04:26 AM

Quote from: nat on 03/27/2011, 01:59 AMStrange, it's very clear on my LCD monitor. This is the first I've heard of this... Anyone else have this issue?

An issue with red text on a black background? Yes, I do have in issue with this. Its both ghetto and very hard to read. Red on black has been an internet no-no since the dancing baby days. While it used to be the default palette for all Dragon Ball Z and 3DO fansites in 1996, its since become virtually extinct.

That site in general though, is fucking fantastic.

soop · 03/27/2011, 05:29 AM

I can read it fine, and I'm 8ft away from the sceen

OldRover · 03/27/2011, 06:02 AM

Red text on a black background is one of the cardinal sins of web design.

soop · 03/27/2011, 06:39 AM

Quote from: OldRover on 03/27/2011, 06:02 AMRed text on a black background is one of the cardinal sins of web design.

But taking something that shouldn't work and doing it so well it does work is a good principle of design.

OldRover · 03/27/2011, 07:09 AM

Quote from: soop on 03/27/2011, 06:39 AMBut taking something that shouldn't work and doing it so well it does work is a good principle of design.

That's not the case here... the site looks awful when it uses red text over black. The yellow on black looks fine though.

Dusk85Z28 · 03/27/2011, 07:24 AM

I don't Know if i prefer The turbo over snes or genesis. I love the turbo grafx, However I grew up with Super nintendo and Genesis.

The rpgs for snes were amazing like Zelda, super metroid, chrono trigger ect. Then you had the mario games. I got into turbo grafx because it was cool, obsecure and i did not have one as a kid, nor did i even know what it was. The Turbo grafx has a lot of neat and akward titles that peak some interest, i believe this is why it is a "niche system" to some.

I rate the sega genesis the snes and the Turbo grafx 16 as equal for their differences

esteban · 03/27/2011, 10:03 AM

Quote from: nat on 03/27/2011, 01:59 AMStrange, it's very clear on my LCD monitor. This is the first I've heard of this... Anyone else have this issue?

Hey nat

I can read the red text (Bonk III HuCard), but, compared to the yellow text (Bonk III CD), the red text is slightly more difficult to read. Everything is relative, as Albert would say, and I can see where spenoza is coming from.

Spenoza, the good thing is that depending on the OS/browser you are using, you can create a customized preference for reading sites that prove to be "challenging" for you.

Duo_R · 03/27/2011, 10:30 AM

Agreed. On my main LCD it isn't bad, but on my tablet it is unreadable the red keeps messing with my eyes. Maybe I am going blind.

Quote from: OldRover on 03/27/2011, 06:02 AMRed text on a black background is one of the cardinal sins of web design.

CrackTiger · 03/27/2011, 10:47 AM

I just tap zoom once or twice if the particular font I'm reading doesn't feel easy enough to read at the default view. I can read Alexi's articles just fine on my TV, PC monitor and phone without zooming in.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/27/2011, 10:50 AM

Black text on a yellow background is scientifically the easiest thing to read.

Thats why school busses and hazard signs are made like this.

Tatsujin · 03/27/2011, 10:55 AM

i love hazard signs.

soop · 03/27/2011, 11:26 AM

Quote from: guest on 03/27/2011, 10:50 AMBlack text on a yellow background is scientifically the easiest thing to read.

Thats why school busses and hazard signs are made like this.

Actually, it's the most eye-catching colour combination, possibly to do with natural threats like bees, wasps and some snakes, though I suppode that could translate to easier reading. I personally think white on black, and (hard copy) black on white are nice to read.

I also quite like gentle tweaks, such as dark grey fonts which aren't arial.

esteban · 03/27/2011, 11:37 AM

Back on Topic...

(1) On Light Guns In the arcade, I enjoyed light gun games. However, for whatever reason (they are many), it never seemed to be nearly as fun at home. I had the "Enforcer" for Sega-CD and dabbled with later light guns for later consoles. I suppose the same can be said for the Dance Dance games...they have never been as fun at home as in the arcade. I still enjoyed light guns/dance mats at home, but definitely some "magic" had been lost (at least for me). I don't know if this is simply because of the wonderful industrial hardware in the arcade, the social aspect, or what. I will freely admit that I need to re-play the home conversions of light gun games, and I'd be happy to do it. I actually enjoy the genre.

(1.5) TANGENT: Hybrid Games. Discussion of light gun games got me to thinking of SNATCHER and BAYOU BILLY. I actually enjoy the quirkiness of games that blend genres. For example, I recently mentioned here that I ACTUALLY ENJOYED Bayou Billy's light gun sequences (quite challenging!). I also enjoyed the driving sequences in that game, too, and I think I'm a fan of hybrid games in general. Obviously, some hybrid games are broken, which is a shame, because it stigmatizes the entire concept. The deeper problem, of course, is that mixing genres increases the chances of turning off a player (since tastes and interests are so finicky and subjective).

(2) On Bonk Series. Bonk 1 and 2 are the best, no debate. I personally have a strong attachment to Bonk 1 because I really liked the atmosphere it created. Even though Bonk's Revenge refines a lot of things, it could not re-create that initial feeling of "Wow, I love this new universe I'm exploring!" from the first game. Very few sequels have managed to do this, so this certainly isn't a knock against Bonk 2, by any means.

Bonk 2 was an extension of the first game (stage design, character design) with a few little twists to keep things fresh. I had a lot of fun with Bonk 2, it was everything I wanted it to be.

Bonk 3, though, I have only played via emulation, and it (both HuCard and CD) simply did not capture and hold my interest like the first two games. Sure, it looked like the previous games...

I have to be honest: by the time I played the SNES games (late- 90's onward), I was pretty dismissive of them. However, in the interest of making a fair comparison, I'd have to go back and give them another chance. (I used to be as dismissive towards Vigilante, for example, and now I like the game more than I ever did, even in 1989). So, who knows? Maybe I'll even give Bonk III another chance, but I doubt my verdict will change.

(3) On the increasing importance of music. I have less free time as I age, so video game music has become increasingly important as a way for me to stay connected and involved in the hobby I cherish. Of course, I always was a slut for video game music, but now the ratio of listening:playing is heavily weighted to the "listening" side because I can listen to music whilst commuting, driving, biking, cleaning cat litter, etc. etc.

BEERS AND VIDEOS · 03/27/2011, 11:45 AM

Quote from: guest on 03/26/2011, 05:46 PMBonk 1 is the best one as far as vibe goes. Its cartoony, but no so cartoony that its cartoony.

If that made any sense at all.

The 2nd and 3rd games are a bit toooooo cooky. Super Bonk 1 was like fullblown cooky. I like bonk 1's setup the most

I agree, and I think the music was perfect in Bonk 1.

SignOfZeta · 03/27/2011, 12:56 PM

Quote from: soop on 03/27/2011, 06:39 AM
Quote from: OldRover on 03/27/2011, 06:02 AMRed text on a black background is one of the cardinal sins of web design.
But taking something that shouldn't work and doing it so well it does work is a good principle of design.

No, its a good stunt. Good final design begins with good fundamental design.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/27/2011, 12:57 PM

The music in Bonk 1 is definitely the best. It has this soft, kind of eerie tone. Its all warm and fuzzy. The later games its just full blown cooky caveman cartoon music.

SignOfZeta · 03/27/2011, 01:02 PM

Quote from: esteban on 03/27/2011, 11:37 AM(1.5) TANGENT: Hybrid Games. Discussion of light gun games got me to thinking of SNATCHER and BAYOU BILLY. I actually enjoy the quirkiness of games that blend genres.

Not well known contender in this category: SCUD: The Disposable Assassin for Saturn.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/27/2011, 01:41 PM

Bayou Billy was a masterpiece.

ddd1234 · 03/27/2011, 01:45 PM

I think i have a theory on why Bonk is in a city in super bonk.

Maybe the levels are set in Bonk's dreams???

ddd1234 · 03/27/2011, 01:50 PM

Quote from: Dusk85Z28 on 03/27/2011, 07:24 AMThe rpgs for snes were amazing like Zelda, super metroid, chrono trigger ect.

I don't think Zelda and Super Metroid qualify as RPGs.

esteban · 03/27/2011, 02:45 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 03/27/2011, 01:02 PM
Quote from: esteban on 03/27/2011, 11:37 AM(1.5) TANGENT: Hybrid Games. Discussion of light gun games got me to thinking of SNATCHER and BAYOU BILLY. I actually enjoy the quirkiness of games that blend genres.
Not well known contender in this category: SCUD: The Disposable Assassin for Saturn.

Never heard if it before. I'll check it out, but the title screams "Total CRAPFEST"...but, I should judge a book by it's cover.

Quote from: guest on 03/27/2011, 01:41 PMBayou Billy was a masterpiece.

If the beat-em-up stages weren't so monotonous, I'd love that friggin' game!

I gotta try the Japanese version, which is more enjoyable and less contrived, allegedly.

ddd1234 · 03/27/2011, 03:24 PM

But nothing beats Streets of Rage 3.....

esteban · 03/27/2011, 03:50 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/27/2011, 10:50 AMBlack text on a yellow background is scientifically the easiest thing to read.

Thats why school busses and hazard signs are made like this.

ddd1234 · 03/27/2011, 04:55 PM

Nah......obey the Sega 32X!

TurboXray · 03/27/2011, 07:19 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/27/2011, 03:24 PMBut nothing beats Streets of Rage 3.....

For me, Streets of Rage 1 beats it. SOR 3 also has horrible music. And the US color scheme for the main char is soo lame looking (JP colors are better).

Tatsujin · 03/27/2011, 08:25 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/27/2011, 03:24 PMBut nothing beats Streets of Rage 3.....

Sure, streets of rage 1 & 2 for example.

Tatsujin · 03/27/2011, 08:31 PM

Quote from: esteban on 03/27/2011, 11:37 AMBack on Topic...

(2) On Bonk Series. Bonk 1 and 2 are the best, no debate. I personally have a strong attachment to Bonk 1 because I really liked the atmosphere it created. Even though Bonk's Revenge refines a lot of things, it could not re-create that initial feeling of "Wow, I love this new universe I'm exploring!" from the first game. Very few sequels have managed to do this, so this certainly isn't a knock against Bonk 2, by any means.

Bonk 2 was an extension of the first game (stage design, character design) with a few little twists to keep things fresh. I had a lot of fun with Bonk 2, it was everything I wanted it to be.

Bonk 3, though, I have only played via emulation, and it (both HuCard and CD) simply did not capture and hold my interest like the first two games. Sure, it looked like the previous games...

I have to be honest: by the time I played the SNES games (late- 90's onward), I was pretty dismissive of them. However, in the interest of making a fair comparison, I'd have to go back and give them another chance. (I used to be as dismissive towards Vigilante, for example, and now I like the game more than I ever did, even in 1989). So, who knows? Maybe I'll even give Bonk III another chance, but I doubt my verdict will change.

(3) On the increasing importance of music. I have less free time as I age, so video game music has become increasingly important as a way for me to stay connected and involved in the hobby I cherish. Of course, I always was a slut for video game music, but now the ratio of listening:playing is heavily weighted to the "listening" side because I can listen to music whilst commuting, driving, biking, cleaning cat litter, etc. etc.

Such nice and agreeable thoughts on the bonk games. Also point (3) exactly describes as it is for me as well.

ddd1234 · 03/27/2011, 09:59 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 03/27/2011, 08:25 PM
Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/27/2011, 03:24 PMBut nothing beats Streets of Rage 3.....
Sure, streets of rage 1 & 2 for example.

But....how can you go wrong with the dash and roll moves in SoR 3.
I love how they sped up the gameplay. No more walking and punching, run in there and beat the snot out of them.
This is the main reason why i prefer the 3rd one. Also, the music does NOT suck. The gritty techno goes well with the locations in this game.

ddd1234 · 03/27/2011, 10:02 PM

Quote from: esteban on 03/27/2011, 11:37 AMBack on Topic...

(3) On the increasing importance of music. I have less free time as I age, so video game music has become increasingly important as a way for me to stay connected and involved in the hobby I cherish. Of course, I always was a slut for video game music, but now the ratio of listening:playing is heavily weighted to the "listening" side because I can listen to music whilst commuting, driving, biking, cleaning cat litter, etc. etc.

Obey da legendary Sega genesis soundchip. Obey da music in Mega Turrican, Musha, Sonic, Gunstar heroes, Castlevania bloodlines and Vectorman. It is da only right thing to do.

lord_cack · 03/27/2011, 10:43 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/27/2011, 10:02 PM
Quote from: esteban on 03/27/2011, 11:37 AMBack on Topic...

(3) On the increasing importance of music. I have less free time as I age, so video game music has become increasingly important as a way for me to stay connected and involved in the hobby I cherish. Of course, I always was a slut for video game music, but now the ratio of listening:playing is heavily weighted to the "listening" side because I can listen to music whilst commuting, driving, biking, cleaning cat litter, etc. etc.
Obey da legendary Sega genesis soundchip....

hehe, thats a good one. Even used da funny words to prove da point dat it was da joke.... or were you serious?

spenoza · 03/28/2011, 12:58 AM

Quote from: nat on 03/27/2011, 02:27 AMI hear what you're saying, but I think it also has a lot to do with the monitor in question. It contrasts very well on my LCD monitor, in fact it's almost clearer and easier to read for me to read than the yellow. I'd like to hear other people's opinions, as I said, this is the first I've heard of it. If the general consensus is that it's unreadable, I'll consider changing it.

I also wonder if your browser isn't rendering the font correctly; the font isn't supposed to be a thin-line font.

It's a sans serif font, meaning it's clean, but also that it's a little thin. I don't think Mozilla 4 has any notable problems with font rendering at this time. I think the problem is the color, frankly. My monitor is fine, really, but I'm pickier about color contrast than some. You take enough usability classes and you start to notice things other people don't think are all that important (but secretly can be).

Also, Nintendo learned that red is not a good color to stare at on LCD screens when they released the Virtual Boy.

I love the content of the site and I respect you a lot on these forums, but the color scheme of your site just really isn't attractive or easy on the eyes. The yellow text is the only text that I'm comfortable reading and don't tire of looking at, and even then it's not particularly attractive.

Still, I'm trying to read. There's some good stuff there.

spenoza · 03/28/2011, 01:02 AM

Quote from: soop on 03/27/2011, 11:26 AM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/27/2011, 10:50 AMBlack text on a yellow background is scientifically the easiest thing to read.

Thats why school busses and hazard signs are made like this.
Actually, it's the most eye-catching colour combination, possibly to do with natural threats like bees, wasps and some snakes, though I suppode that could translate to easier reading. I personally think white on black, and (hard copy) black on white are nice to read.

I also quite like gentle tweaks, such as dark grey fonts which aren't arial.

I somewhat agree. Yes, black on yellow is to get attention, not for long, relaxed reads. I think my favorite color combination for readability is strong yellow text on a medium dark blue background. It's not much to look at, and is probably a bad idea for web design, but I find it easy to read. I also like the color scheme for this forum site a lot, actually. Medium greys and blues, and dark text on an off-white background. Very easy to take in and read comfortably.

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