Dragon's Crown...2D brawling goodness

Nando · 08/08/2013, 11:22 AM

have any of you guys tried the online co-op?

Arkhan Asylum · 08/08/2013, 12:01 PM

Well, here's my list of "WTFs"

1) The pacing sucks. It's somehow less smooth than Princess Crown because you have to tell the thief dipshit to go grab things and open stuff.
2) The right thumbstick moves a cursor to click stuff. Why. This isn't a Wii game.
3) Using the thumbstick to move your character is awful.
4) Dash + Attack are the same button
5) The archer misses shots with her arrow while getting punched. That's cute.
6) The elf runs out of arrows, and then they mysteriously drop off of stuff you hit. This makes boss battles about the dumbest thing ever with the Elf. You unload from across the screen, dash attack to the other side. Gather all the arrows, repeat.

The presentation is nice though.

geise · 08/08/2013, 01:25 PM

I'm a little more forgiving, but yeah telling the thief to open doors and treasure chests is kind of unnecessary. It's easy on Vita with the touch screen, but man it seems like it would be annoying on the PS3 version. If you want to use the D-Pad to control you character just change it in the options. I started with the analogue and switched it. Seems better now.

Arkhan Asylum · 08/08/2013, 02:08 PM

Yeah but then you're stuck navigating the piss poor item menu with the thumbstick.

Why you can't use L/R for that is beyond me.

also, why your gear shows up is beyond me. You cant use it in battle. Youre fucking wearing it and swinging it around with the square button.

Nando · 08/08/2013, 03:03 PM

Dragons Crown PS4 edition will solve the thief thingie...

I think I'm just gonna go "pick up" D&D Mystara for now and wait for this one to drop in price.

Arkhan Asylum · 08/08/2013, 03:27 PM

Good move, honestly. I quit playing DC to play D&D on Saturn. It was more fun overall.

For the amount of hype it got, I expected better.

munchiaz · 08/08/2013, 03:52 PM

^ the gripes you have with the game Arkhan seem to be little annoyances. The game is not perfect, but i also don't think its ass either. I do see where you are coming from with the thief, but this game was developed for the vita first, and thats why its in the ps3 version. It would be nice if they had an option to just allow the thief to open shit, but sometimes that can be bad because some chest are bobby trapped.

If people are still on the fence i suggest watching this very in depth review of the game

Arkhan Asylum · 08/08/2013, 04:10 PM

When a game is hyped to high hell and has been in planning this long, I expect better.

TR0N · 08/12/2013, 01:15 AM

Even the hcg likes dragon's crown

Joe Redifer · 08/12/2013, 02:50 AM

This game was hyped so much that I haven't heard much about it. Instead I get Grand Theft Auto 5 coverage non-stop because that's the status quo. But I've heard that this game "fucking sucks". So I've got a copy coming in this week. Should I play it or should I smash my face into a wall for an hour? Which fucking sucks less?

Arkhan Asylum · 08/12/2013, 10:46 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2013, 02:50 AMThis game was hyped so much that I haven't heard much about it.

Coming from you, I'm not surprised. lol

SignOfZeta · 08/12/2013, 01:33 PM

Unless its a serious departure from previous games the graphics will be beautiful but the level design nonexistent and the pacing a sophocating slog.

Nando · 08/12/2013, 01:55 PM

Two interesting reviews on the game

http://hckblog.com/2013/08/08/a-tarnished-dragons-crown/

and

http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/Dragons_Crown/index2.html

Arkhan Asylum · 08/12/2013, 02:27 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/12/2013, 01:33 PMUnless its a serious departure from previous games the graphics will be beautiful but the level design nonexistent and the pacing a sophocating slog.

Yeap. That's about right.

Even my girlfriend, who doesn't play beat-em-ups to reference it with said "This game's really dumb. Everything is just a pretty looking jumbled up mess. Why did you buy this."

Then I put the D&D game in for Saturn and she went "This is way older but less retarded. How'd that happen."

Joe Redifer · 08/12/2013, 03:38 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/12/2013, 10:46 AM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2013, 02:50 AMThis game was hyped so much that I haven't heard much about it.
Coming from you, I'm not surprised. lol

It's true. I pay very little attention to modern gaming.

Nando · 08/12/2013, 03:42 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/12/2013, 02:27 PM
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/12/2013, 01:33 PMUnless its a serious departure from previous games the graphics will be beautiful but the level design nonexistent and the pacing a sophocating slog.
Yeap. That's about right.

Even my girlfriend, who doesn't play beat-em-ups to reference it with said "This game's really dumb. Everything is just a pretty looking jumbled up mess. Why did you buy this."

Then I put the D&D game in for Saturn and she went "This is way older but less retarded. How'd that happen."

Classics never "age."

That's capcom's beat 'em up at its best. Well at least arcade wise, I've never played the Saturn version. The only thing better would have been a CPS3 version with maybe a few minor additions to the play mechanics. Maybe.

Sounds like this game, for me, can wait a few months.

Arkhan Asylum · 08/12/2013, 04:09 PM

yeah. It's not a good game. Alot of dipfucks on the internet are raving about how good it is, and they've probably never played the D&D beat em offs or anything, so they have skewed perceptions of what's a good fantasy RPGish beat em up.

The game has garbage pacing, obvious triggers for enemies, incoherent messes of boss battles, and a bunch of big jiggly tits.

Nazi NecroPhile · 08/12/2013, 04:29 PM

Sadly, style before substance seems to be growing more and more common (not just with games either). Was this game perhaps made by watermelonheads?

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 08/12/2013, 02:27 PM"This is way older but less retarded. How'd that happen."

Strange.... that's what people say about me after talking to you.

Gillian Seed · 08/12/2013, 10:27 PM

I've only played Princess Crown, which was very gorgeous and had pretty good gameplay. However it went on far too long and ended up feeling repetitive. I enjoyed it enough to want this game though.

bartre · 08/12/2013, 10:47 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/12/2013, 04:29 PMSadly, style before substance seems to be growing more and more common (not just with games either). Was this game perhaps made by watermelonheads?

Quote from: guest on 08/12/2013, 02:27 PM"This is way older but less retarded. How'd that happen."
Strange.... that's what people say about me after talking to you.

unrelated, but.
12000 posts.
Jebus.

esteban · 08/12/2013, 11:09 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2013, 02:50 AMThis game was hyped so much that I haven't heard much about it. Instead I get Grand Theft Auto 5 coverage non-stop because that's the status quo. But I've heard that this game "fucking sucks". So I've got a copy coming in this week. Should I play it or should I smash my face into a wall for an hour? Which fucking sucks less?

Play Renegade on the NES and forget about these new-fangled games:

Fear not, hapless Joe:
Though it lacks bouncing bosoms,
RENEGADE sucks less.

turboswimbz · 08/13/2013, 08:47 AM

Quote from: bartre on 08/12/2013, 10:47 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/12/2013, 04:29 PMSadly, style before substance seems to be growing more and more common (not just with games either). Was this game perhaps made by watermelonheads?

Quote from: guest on 08/12/2013, 02:27 PM"This is way older but less retarded. How'd that happen."
Strange.... that's what people say about me after talking to you.
unrelated, but.
12000 posts.
Jebus.

Need to go to fighting street and look up Why is it again that it would be terrible to make NecroPhile a mod.

Nando · 08/13/2013, 08:52 AM

Quote from: esteban on 08/12/2013, 11:09 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2013, 02:50 AMThis game was hyped so much that I haven't heard much about it. Instead I get Grand Theft Auto 5 coverage non-stop because that's the status quo. But I've heard that this game "fucking sucks". So I've got a copy coming in this week. Should I play it or should I smash my face into a wall for an hour? Which fucking sucks less?
Play Renegade on the NES and forget about these new-fangled games:

Fear not, hapless Joe:
Though it lacks bouncing bosoms,
RENEGADE sucks less.

SNES:

King Arthur and The Knights of Justice
King of Dragons
Knights of the Round
Magic Sword

geise · 08/13/2013, 08:54 AM

This game was originally created for Vita, and then was decided to make a ps3 port with the Vita mechanics. Problem is a couple things with the "gameplay" use the touchscreen. So for ps3 owners they have to use the R analogue for moving around and clicking on shit. It really makes the pace of the game terrible, and I see where Ark is coming from. However the game certainly is not complete shit, fucking blows, is retarded (which shouldn't be used since the definition doesn't mean "dumb") it's just certain bad choices for some game mechanics. Some things like opening treasure chests should have just been done with walking up to them. If you always have someone with you to open doors then what's the point. If it's always available to you to go and open anything than just let the main character do it. The game sure has it's faults, but being a Princess Crown fan I really like it. I also don't compare it to Capcom's D&D and certainly don't know why it's being compared to an arcade game.

Gillian Seed · 08/13/2013, 09:43 AM

The Vita release doesn't seem all that well optimized though. It suffers from slowdown that's nowhere present in the console release, the touch screen is a nice trade off.

I don't own it but I have to say it looks pretty damn good to me. I saw the FGC stream some multiplayer and the combat looked like it had a lot of depth to it for a beat em' up. Like the above I am also a Princess Crown fan and know what I'm getting into as far as repetition goes.

For me though I have to say this is probably the least attractive art style I have seen Vanillaware use. I don't really like the western influence on all the characters, the Amazon is just an eyesore in particular. Princess Crown, Odin Sphere, and Muramasa were all much better looking games.

Nando · 08/13/2013, 10:30 AM

Quote from: geise on 08/13/2013, 08:54 AMI also don't compare it to Capcom's D&D and certainly don't know why it's being compared to an arcade game.

Some of the same designers that did D&D also created Dragon's Crown. The online multi-player can easily put it in the arcade game like category.

geise · 08/13/2013, 10:45 AM

Yeah I know.

It's not really a standard beat em up though. Totally different pacing.

Arkhan Asylum · 08/13/2013, 12:02 PM

Quote from: geise on 08/13/2013, 08:54 AMis retarded (which shouldn't be used since the definition doesn't mean "dumb")

well. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retard

also:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vernacular?s=t

QuoteI also don't compare it to Capcom's D&D and certainly don't know why it's being compared to an arcade game.

It looks like a 4 player beat em up.

Quote from: geise on 08/13/2013, 10:45 AMYeah I know. It's not really a standard beat em up though. Totally different pacing.

Yeah, the pacing is retarded. ;)

geise · 08/13/2013, 12:57 PM

......ass. O:)

It's still not a sit down and play through once arcade game.

SignOfZeta · 08/13/2013, 04:39 PM

Quote from: geise on 08/13/2013, 12:57 PM......ass. O:)

It's still not a sit down and play through once arcade game.

Neither is the D&D arcade game, necessarily. To could save your progress and resume it later by entering your initials.

Guardian Heroes is a better example of a beat-em-up that usually isn't finished in one sitting. It's also really great, much better than D&D and way WAY better than Odin Sphere. That thing is torture.

Joe Redifer · 08/14/2013, 10:05 PM

So far I'm really enjoying this game. I guess I just like shitty games that aren't even worth powering up? The thief-to-unlock-doors-and-chests is kind of dumb, though. But it's a very minor complaint. It's not as action packed as D&D but it instead feels like a less clunky Princess Crown.

TR0N · 08/14/2013, 11:52 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/14/2013, 10:05 PMSo far I'm really enjoying this game. I guess I just like shitty games that aren't even worth powering up? The thief-to-unlock-doors-and-chests is kind of dumb, though. But it's a very minor complaint. It's not as action packed as D&D but it instead feels like a less clunky Princess Crown.

Ditto i'm enjoying the game so far as well.Just be warn,during multiplayer with so much action going on it can be easy to get lost.

Arkhan Asylum · 08/14/2013, 11:58 PM

Quote from: TR0N on 08/14/2013, 11:52 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/14/2013, 10:05 PMSo far I'm really enjoying this game. I guess I just like shitty games that aren't even worth powering up? The thief-to-unlock-doors-and-chests is kind of dumb, though. But it's a very minor complaint. It's not as action packed as D&D but it instead feels like a less clunky Princess Crown.
Ditto i'm enjoying the game so far as well.Just be warn,during multiplayer with so much action going on it can be easy to get lost.

Nearly every boss battle is an incoherent mess of shit going everywhere.

It's like a bullet hell game, except not fun.

TR0N · 08/15/2013, 12:01 AM

Quote from: guest on 08/14/2013, 11:58 PM
Quote from: TR0N on 08/14/2013, 11:52 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/14/2013, 10:05 PMSo far I'm really enjoying this game. I guess I just like shitty games that aren't even worth powering up? The thief-to-unlock-doors-and-chests is kind of dumb, though. But it's a very minor complaint. It's not as action packed as D&D but it instead feels like a less clunky Princess Crown.
Ditto i'm enjoying the game so far as well.Just be warn,during multiplayer with so much action going on it can be easy to get lost.
Nearly every boss battle is an incoherent mess of shit going everywhere.

It's like a bullet hell game, except not fun.

At least the spell casting doesn't the slow action down.That's one thing,that annoyed me in D&D SOM all that spamming for spells and you couldn't get a hit in.

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Dragon's Crown...2D brawling goodness