DE II - Drunk sequel

spenoza · 11/07/2007, 01:23 PM

Yes, you read the subject correctly, drunk sequel. I started playing Dungeon Explorer II today and found that the control is a lot looser than the original. I kinda feel like I'm controlling a half-full bathtub. What's up with that?

NecroPhile · 11/07/2007, 02:39 PM

I don't know what you're talking about - are you sure that it isn't you that's drunk?

Now, I'm on a mission to test the controls with back to back Dungeon Exploring. Thanks for planning my evening for me.

nat · 11/07/2007, 03:06 PM

I'll tell you exactly what's going on.

spenoza, in the first Dungeon Explorer as you may or may not have noticed all your characters have different stats, one of them being "agility." In the first game, your agility rating doesn't seem to have any noticable effect on how your character actually controls.

They fixed this in DE II, so your agility rating directly affects how your character controls. When you start out, obviously your agility is at it's lowest and it causes the control to feel "drunk" as you put it. As you progress through the game and your agility improves, so does your control correspondingly. At some point your character will control as well as any character from the first game, and then even beyond as you continue to become more agile.

As you may or may not know, the color of the "crystal beans" you pick up after defeating a boss (or changing characters) increase the stat of the corresponding color. If you wait a moment instead of picking up the crystals right away, they will eventually cycle through all the colors. I don't remember what color corresponds to agility offhand (light blue, maybe?) but you can increase your agility quickly this way.

spenoza · 11/07/2007, 06:08 PM

In the first game I think it just affected your walking speed, not your turning or stopping responsiveness.

nat · 11/07/2007, 07:45 PM

Quote from: guest on 11/07/2007, 06:08 PMIn the first game I think it just affected your walking speed, not your turning or stopping responsiveness.

Yeah, in DE II it affects everything. Your character will be "up to speed" before you know it.

spenoza · 11/07/2007, 10:58 PM

Between the early sluggishness and the waiting forever while the game seeks the CD track when you change areas, I am definitely not feeling the love for this sequel as much as I did for the original. I haven't run into anything yet that I think SuperCD capabilities were really needed for. If they'd cut the cinemas and speech and just stuck to chip tunes this game could have been a fine HuCard sequel, frankly. Maybe something later in the game will really WOW me or something.

nat · 11/07/2007, 11:11 PM

Quote from: guest on 11/07/2007, 10:58 PMBetween the early sluggishness and the waiting forever while the game seeks the CD track when you change areas, I am definitely not feeling the love for this sequel as much as I did for the original. I haven't run into anything yet that I think SuperCD capabilities were really needed for. If they'd cut the cinemas and speech and just stuck to chip tunes this game could have been a fine HuCard sequel, frankly. Maybe something later in the game will really WOW me or something.

I can't say for sure, but the game itself is probably too big to fit on a cartridge even if you converted all the redbook to chip tunes. Maybe if they'd done a 20 Mbit cart like SF2, but that's beside the point. If you thought the land of Dungeon Explorer is big, this one is HUGE.

The cinemas add a lot to this game though, too, and help move the story along.

But I don't think it's really fair to judge while playing the game on an emulator with fucked up sound emulation, no?

Give the game some time and (preferably) play it on a real console before passing judgement. It's more than a worthy sequel, and an absolutely great game in it's own right.

(Between you and me however, I too prefer the first game. Although in this case nostalgic memories probably play a huge role in that.)

ParanoiaDragon · 11/08/2007, 01:55 AM

Love DE2 over 1, no doubt about it! And the cinemas are vunderful!

Emerald Rocker · 11/08/2007, 07:42 PM

Quote from: guest on 11/07/2007, 10:58 PMBetween the early sluggishness and the waiting forever while the game seeks the CD track when you change areas, I am definitely not feeling the love for this sequel as much as I did for the original. I haven't run into anything yet that I think SuperCD capabilities were really needed for. If they'd cut the cinemas and speech and just stuck to chip tunes this game could have been a fine HuCard sequel, frankly. Maybe something later in the game will really WOW me or something.

I don't know what these mythical SuperCD "capabilities" are that you speak of, but perhaps you should just stop playing CD games in general, since you have the patience of a drunken surgeon.

spenoza · 11/08/2007, 10:41 PM

A good game requires not patience. As entertainment, it should hook you immediately and keep you on that hook all the way through. Sure, that's an ideal, but I think it should be the standard against which we measure all games.

runinruder · 11/08/2007, 11:08 PM

Quote from: guest on 11/08/2007, 10:41 PMA good game requires not patience. As entertainment, it should hook you immediately and keep you on that hook all the way through. Sure, that's an ideal, but I think it should be the standard against which we measure all games.

I can think of plenty of games (and books, and songs, and movies) that didn't hook me right off the bat, but that ended up being great.

Of course, in a perfect situation, the game (or whatever form of entertainment) provides immediate enjoyment and never lets up from there... like DE2 did for me.

ParanoiaDragon · 11/09/2007, 03:09 AM

Quote from: runinruder on 11/08/2007, 11:08 PM
Quote from: guest on 11/08/2007, 10:41 PMA good game requires not patience. As entertainment, it should hook you immediately and keep you on that hook all the way through. Sure, that's an ideal, but I think it should be the standard against which we measure all games.
I can think of plenty of games (and books, and songs, and movies) that didn't hook me right off the bat, but that ended up being great.

Of course, in a perfect situation, the game (or whatever form of entertainment) provides immediate enjoyment and never lets up from there... like DE2 did for me.

Same here!

spenoza · 11/09/2007, 05:46 PM

Sadly, beer is the same. Never grabs me right off the bat. It always takes time. Dammit, beer! Why do you disappoint me????

nat · 11/09/2007, 05:49 PM

To this day, beer has never let me down.

Emerald Rocker · 11/09/2007, 11:10 PM

I'm not talking about the patience required to sit through a fucking snore-fest like Xenogears, I'm talking about the patience to wait two seconds for the next music track to load. But hey, if you don't want to play any Turbo CD games, you don't have to.

GUTS · 11/09/2007, 11:13 PM

Xenogears is the most ridiculous fucking shit RPG that I have ever played, only pretentious faggots and those queers who wear black and think they're "evil" like it. Fuck that game and its shit-eating fans.

Emerald Rocker · 11/09/2007, 11:15 PM

Yeah, fuck that Xenogears shit --- Dungeon Explorer (and its sequel) is the real deal.

Turbo D · 11/09/2007, 11:26 PM

I like beer

nat · 11/09/2007, 11:46 PM

Beer + Dungeon Explorer (or DE II) = Teh rox0rs.

spenoza · 11/10/2007, 10:20 AM

I don't mind waiting a couple seconds for a music track occasionally, but when you're in town areas in DEII, every single house, hut, or doorway you enter cuts to chip music and when you re-emerge you have to wait for the CD track to cut back in. If it is between action areas that's OK, but considering how little most townies and hut-dwellers tell you, it gets frustrating.

So it's more the frequency with which you encounter this than that it happens. They should have muted the CD track but kept it playing so when you re-emerge from the house it doesn't have to re-track every time.

nat · 11/10/2007, 01:20 PM

Maybe it's a side effect of the emulation, but I've played through the entire game and that was never a problem. I never had to wait for anything.

OldRover · 11/10/2007, 01:36 PM

Quote from: GUTS on 11/09/2007, 11:13 PMXenogears is the most ridiculous fucking shit RPG that I have ever played, only pretentious faggots and those queers who wear black and think they're "evil" like it. Fuck that game and its shit-eating fans.

I'm a fan of Xenogears. And I could care less what some random stranger on the internet thinks of that.

CrackTiger · 11/10/2007, 06:32 PM

Quote from: GUTS on 11/09/2007, 11:13 PMXenogears is the most ridiculous fucking shit RPG that I have ever played, only pretentious faggots and those queers who wear black and think they're "evil" like it. Fuck that game and its shit-eating fans.

I'm not a Xenogears fan but I don't care strongly enough about any game to truly hate it and/or anyone who likes it.

spenoza · 11/10/2007, 06:40 PM

If those long pauses are an emulation artifact I'll give DEII the benefit of the doubt.

As for Xenogears, some neat ideas, but the story is WAY overwrought. It plays out like the creators were convinced they were making the next great Shakespeare epic but it's really just overly convoluted pulp. Still, neat in some places. Annoying in others.

ParanoiaDragon · 11/10/2007, 08:08 PM

Yeah, I don't remember having that loading problem in DE2.

As for Xenogears, havn't played thru it yet, but, it seems cool.

OldRover · 11/10/2007, 10:26 PM

Quote from: guest on 11/10/2007, 06:40 PMAs for Xenogears, some neat ideas, but the story is WAY overwrought. It plays out like the creators were convinced they were making the next great Shakespeare epic but it's really just overly convoluted pulp. Still, neat in some places. Annoying in others.

It was rather badly translated and falls victim to the usual Squaresoft storyline hole problem (the sabotage/murder scenario in the Kislev prison is a shining example). There are a couple of really annoying parts near the end of the game, but other than that, it's quite enjoyable from beginning to end.

GUTS · 11/11/2007, 12:57 AM

If a person truly doesn't care what some "random internet stranger" thinks, said person wouldn't have taken the time to tell a "random internet stranger" they didn't care.

Turbo D · 11/11/2007, 01:38 AM

I care what you think guts

OldRover · 11/11/2007, 05:38 PM

If said random internet stranger has a life, they wouldn't be posting such trash on an internet forum.

spenoza · 11/11/2007, 06:12 PM

Can I be a random internet weirder? I prefer weird to strange any day.

GUTS · 11/11/2007, 11:27 PM

"Get a life!" says the guy who flipped his fucking lid over Shape Shifter and claimed to have "reverse-engineered" it, hahaha. Good times, good times.

OldRover · 11/12/2007, 06:53 AM

Quote from: GUTS on 11/11/2007, 11:27 PM"Get a life!" says the guy who flipped his fucking lid over Shape Shifter and claimed to have "reverse-engineered" it, hahaha. Good times, good times.

Do you get your jollies off on being the second most annoying, ill-informed, and brainless twit on this forum? Are you THAT sexually frustrated? Get a girlfriend already, or a boyfriend, whatever your preference is. It's no wonder certain people avoid this forum.

And why the hell are people comparing Dungeon Explorer to Xenogears? They're completely different genres. It's like comparing Sonic Spinball to the SMS version of the Smurfs.

nat · 11/12/2007, 10:50 AM

Quote from: Nödtveidt on 11/12/2007, 06:53 AMDo you get your jollies off on being the second most annoying, ill-informed, and brainless twit on this forum?

Who do you think is the first?

CrackTiger · 11/12/2007, 12:34 PM

Quote from: nat on 11/12/2007, 10:50 AM
Quote from: Nödtveidt on 11/12/2007, 06:53 AMDo you get your jollies off on being the second most annoying, ill-informed, and brainless twit on this forum?
Who do you think is the first?

He's talking about you Nat.

nat · 11/12/2007, 12:54 PM

That's what I was afraid of!

NecroPhile · 11/12/2007, 01:36 PM

Quote from: nat on 11/12/2007, 10:50 AMWho do you think is the first?

It's me! It's me! It's me!

GUTS · 11/12/2007, 09:03 PM

Man you flip out over everything fatso, maybe you could reverse-engineer some new insults since you bust out the lame "you're a virgin/get a girlfriend" shit every time you blow a gasket, which is ALL the fucking time.

Emerald Rocker · 11/12/2007, 09:07 PM

Quote from: Nödtveidt on 11/12/2007, 06:53 AMDo you get your jollies off on being the second most annoying, ill-informed, and brainless twit on this forum? Are you THAT sexually frustrated? Get a girlfriend already, or a boyfriend, whatever your preference is. It's no wonder certain people avoid this forum.

Hahahaha, Nodtveidt called himself the board's biggest twit

spenoza · 11/13/2007, 01:44 PM

I think both of you are acting like typical anonymous intarwebz forum babies, even if GUTS did step way out of line first.

Maybe both of you need to go sit in opposite corners until you can shake hands and play nicely.

GUTS · 11/13/2007, 10:19 PM

Listen nancy, go find another board to try and be mr. moderator, nobody gives a fuck around here.

spenoza · 11/14/2007, 09:26 AM

My early impressions of this board lead me to expect greater civility, even from Joe, and I'm happy that most here have met those standards.

I just don't understand how anyone can be comfortable spouting such crap in a public forum anywhere. I never have. All it does is reveal things about yourself that in any other context you wouldn't want anyone to know because it would make you look bad. Really bad.

And if I were Mr. Moderator I'd give you a warning and tell you on strike 2 you'd be sitting out a week without posting or strike 3 would be permanent.

Fine, I'm a nancy. Doesn't bother me. If you think I'm going to sit around silently while you stink up a forum I've come to enjoy, well, now you know the answer.

ccovell · 11/14/2007, 11:26 AM

Spenoza, always remember the advice that Mark Twain gave us.

spenoza · 11/14/2007, 11:30 AM

My apologies. I'll cease my participation in this particular line of thought. Probably this thread, since I don't have any new opinions about DEII yet, either. School work has kept me from exploring it further.

GUTS · 11/14/2007, 07:45 PM

Covell you need to read a few books, your cliches are really old and not even remotely clever. Maybe someone can recommend you some new quotes so you don't sound like an 80 year old man every time you try to insult someone.

ccovell · 11/14/2007, 10:10 PM

I'd rather sound wise than adolescent any day.

Keranu · 11/14/2007, 11:27 PM

I'd rather talk about Dungeon Explorer II.

Who wants to sell me a copy?

Sinistron · 11/16/2007, 03:28 PM

Just got this game from my girl for our anniversary a few weeks ago. Expensive goddang disc. However- in agreement with original poster- I too found the controls different than the hucard original. Of course after leveling up it all smoothed out and then some. I'm at the final stage - the big pyramid- been there for a week because I want it to last. I'm a first time poster by the way. Been a huge turbofan from back in the day when the system first hit US- it was the LAST system I've owned- I grew bitter when it went under. I recently restarted my collection and now have 152 games- a CD system, converter and arcade card, turboexpress and all that ish. Would LOVE if someone could tell me how the hell I could my hands on a reverse turbo tap. I'd love to make use of the arcade card by being able to play the six-button Neo-geo conversions. I'm in New York if anyone gives a hoot.

NecroPhile · 11/16/2007, 04:00 PM

Welcome aboard, Sinistron. 152 games in a 'recently restarted collection' = holy shit and not wasting any time (or money).

The easiest way to make a reverse tap is to swap the cable out to the correct connector.

Sinistron · 11/16/2007, 04:19 PM

Thank you- I seem to have just found the appropriate board for that discussion- sorry for cutting into the Dungeon Explorer II Inebriation chapter.

Anyway I guess I'll just buy a pair of avenue sixes and take a chance- though I'm not much of a fix-it man or a hardware head or anything. I'll probably goof the whole thing up. I remember months back I was trying to figure out how to burn downloaded pc-engine roms and just gave up. I stick to the original chips and discs- which as you say attacks my money. I restarted my collection late last year- pretty much from scratch. Dug my old turbo out of my parents basement and won a CD-player on Ebay for a decent price. Had one back in the day and foolishly sold it for a crate of porn. In the feverdream of those magical youthful jagoff days perhaps a thousand or two wackoffs were worth it- but no longer. Never had the super cd upgrade back then though- never got to play Dungeon Explorer II or Dracula X until now. I've come a long way from the back-then amazement of JB Harold to recently playing Konami's much-hyped and justifiably so masterpiece.

Thanks for the welcoming.

nat · 11/16/2007, 05:09 PM

If you're worried about fucking up a tap, mail me the shit and I'll do it for you. You just pay shipping.