Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 01:33 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 01:33 PM
I rarely comment or get involved in political discussion on the internet, but I just had to comment on this. Outside the USA nobody gives a fuck or knows who Trump is and what it potentially means if he became US president and had his "finger on the button". Here in the UK I would say about 99% of the population had never heard of Trump prior to him running for US president, they still don't know anything about him other than he's some wealthy businessman. I think the same goes for the rest of the world outside the US, nobody cares.
But I'm the 1% who is aware of Trump outside the US, I've watched him on TV (downloaded) for nearly 10 years on The Apprentice. On TV he comes across like a complete and utter dick, but as trash tv the program it's entertaining to watch, but he's absolutely not someone you would want in charge of a nuclear armed country.
I think it should be mandatory for the rest of the planet to watch back The Apprentice and realise the gravity of the situation if this man is given the capability to start (world) wars and drop nukes.
But I'm the 1% who is aware of Trump outside the US, I've watched him on TV (downloaded) for nearly 10 years on The Apprentice. On TV he comes across like a complete and utter dick, but as trash tv the program it's entertaining to watch, but he's absolutely not someone you would want in charge of a nuclear armed country.
I think it should be mandatory for the rest of the planet to watch back The Apprentice and realise the gravity of the situation if this man is given the capability to start (world) wars and drop nukes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 01:40 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 01:40 PM
Sound the alarm, that guy's nuts, he's gonna use the nuke!!!! THE NUKE!!!!!
Gotta love the political season and all the crazy scare tactics thrown around...
Gotta love the political season and all the crazy scare tactics thrown around...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 01:45 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 01:45 PM
I would say generally I'm not that way at all, as in making a drama out of nothing. I feel like it's endless conspiracies and drama when there's nothing there is prevalent on the interwebz.
But yes totally I do think he comes across as nuts and it's worrying if he was in power of the US.
But yes totally I do think he comes across as nuts and it's worrying if he was in power of the US.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/02/2016, 01:52 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/02/2016, 01:52 PM
My prediction: no good will come from this thread. ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 01:52 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 01:52 PM
We got the same doomsday rhetoric with Reagan (especially), Bush the father, Bush the son, Barry Goldwater (who actually had a nuclear attack ad used against him (https://youtu.be/dDTBnsqxZ3k)), it's same ole same ole, and we survived them all... The only politician that ever used nukes, 2 of them, was a democrat, BTW, good ole Harry S. Truman...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 01:53 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 01:53 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 01:52 PMMy prediction: no good will come from this thread. ;)Actually I might lock it, just go back to keeping out of politics on the web.
:D
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/02/2016, 01:54 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/02/2016, 01:54 PM
I think he's a complete twat, but I'm not terribly concerned that he'd start a world war or drop nukes. He's not invested in the war industry, so there's nothing for him to gain personally by starting a world war; on the contrary, his wealth is based on catering to the ridiculously wealthy, many of whom are foreign, so he'd go broke if he pissed off the rest of the world.
I'm more worried that he'd push to let businesses do whatever they want (leading to more pollution, another banking debacle, greater disparity between the haves and have nots, etc.), fuck with trade agreements (causing even worse trade deficits), lose whatever good will Obama's built with the rest of the world (admittedly not much), and recommit our military to more unwinnable wars in the middle east. He's all about what's good for Trump and really doesn't seem to care about the country as a whole.
I'm more worried that he'd push to let businesses do whatever they want (leading to more pollution, another banking debacle, greater disparity between the haves and have nots, etc.), fuck with trade agreements (causing even worse trade deficits), lose whatever good will Obama's built with the rest of the world (admittedly not much), and recommit our military to more unwinnable wars in the middle east. He's all about what's good for Trump and really doesn't seem to care about the country as a whole.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/02/2016, 01:55 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/02/2016, 01:55 PM
Well, I'll get this in before you lock it:
I'm not afraid Trump will nuke people. I'm just afraid what it says about us as a society that he's now a serious candidate for president. I literally would've taken any other Republican candidate over Trump. Well...except Cruz... fuck that guy.
I'm not afraid Trump will nuke people. I'm just afraid what it says about us as a society that he's now a serious candidate for president. I literally would've taken any other Republican candidate over Trump. Well...except Cruz... fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 02:16 PM
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 02:16 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 01:55 PMI'm just afraid what it says about us as a society that he's now a serious candidate for president.A majority of Americans are tired of being controlled and talked down to by a small neocon/neoliberal elite that are buoyed by lobbyists and corporations? How refreshing it is to have two anti-globalist candidates currently running for president, and one of them even winning.
He's shown plasticity on party doctrine (lol who cares about that at this stage) but is pretty consistent when it comes to nation-first rhetoric. Wars for lobbyists = bad; illegal immigration burdening the economy = bad; "free" trade rigged against us = bad, and so on.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 02:23 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 02:23 PM
I wouldn't vote for Trump if he was the only one running... and the same applies to Clinton. Both can just fuck right off.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 02:38 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 02:38 PM
I'm not sure what Otaking is fed over at the "tolerant" UK which was debating about banning Trump from the country (as a way to interfere with our elections - rawr, we hate this guy, don't elect him!), but on the point about war, Trump trashed Bush and the Iraq war as a disaster, so in case you think he wants more of that, you're mistaken... Trump is a triangulator which is part of how he's winning. I suspect he wants to pursue an America-first policy rather than play "democratizing revolutionary" in the hornet's nest that is the Middle East.
Bush's biggest policy mistake is Iraq and pursuing international interests which led to surrendering the country to the democrats, to the point where they won 60 US Senate seats which gave them full power for 6 months, and led to the election of Barack Obama. So, ironically, Bush was a weapon of mass destruction to the republican party, the country, and the Middle East (given how much worse it's gotten over there) all on the premise of stopping possible WMD programs by Saddam...
Trump called that out, despite George Bush's brother Jeb heckling him time and time again, a fool that never belonged in the primary process to begin with! He actually was attempting to give us a history of first Bush the father, then his son, and now his other son as a president... Should've listened to his mom the first time around telling him we've had enough Bushes in the WhiteHouse, but oh well, he had to find out from the primary voters that they didn't want his ass. Good riddens!
Anyway, while Trump has talked tough about fighting terrorists, you won't see some full scale invasion on the scale of what Bush did - that's just hyperbolic fearmongering... And neither would the republican Congress ever vote for it again knowing what it cost them thanks to Bush...
Bush's biggest policy mistake is Iraq and pursuing international interests which led to surrendering the country to the democrats, to the point where they won 60 US Senate seats which gave them full power for 6 months, and led to the election of Barack Obama. So, ironically, Bush was a weapon of mass destruction to the republican party, the country, and the Middle East (given how much worse it's gotten over there) all on the premise of stopping possible WMD programs by Saddam...
Trump called that out, despite George Bush's brother Jeb heckling him time and time again, a fool that never belonged in the primary process to begin with! He actually was attempting to give us a history of first Bush the father, then his son, and now his other son as a president... Should've listened to his mom the first time around telling him we've had enough Bushes in the WhiteHouse, but oh well, he had to find out from the primary voters that they didn't want his ass. Good riddens!
Anyway, while Trump has talked tough about fighting terrorists, you won't see some full scale invasion on the scale of what Bush did - that's just hyperbolic fearmongering... And neither would the republican Congress ever vote for it again knowing what it cost them thanks to Bush...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sadler on 03/02/2016, 03:14 PM
Post by: Sadler on 03/02/2016, 03:14 PM
I doubt Trump will start hurling nukes, but what worries me is that he's such a populist. I honestly have no idea what his positions are, they've been all over the map leading up to this and I don't put any faith in "his" policy papers. Even if I did, I don't agree with them. Frankly I'm surprised he's so popular. Oh well, I was rooting for Rand. I'll probably vote for McAfee (https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg). :D I mean, did he spend a bunch of time doing bath salts and murdering neighbors in Central America? Maybe. But I'd still prefer him to the front runners.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 03:19 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 03:19 PM
Quote from: Sadler on 03/02/2016, 03:14 PMI'll probably vote for McAfee (https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg). :DNice touch with the hand lighting up his money, and then the smoke. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/02/2016, 03:24 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/02/2016, 03:24 PM
I honestly don't think that Donald Trump is as xenophobic and racist as he'd have me believe listening to his speeches. I also don't think he's as unintelligent as he sounds. I think he's still playing a character that's a huge douchebag for whatever ends he's shooting for.
That being said, I don't want him elected. On the one hand, I think he's a liar but on the other he might actually be an idiot. Hardly seems presidential to me in either case.
That being said, I don't want him elected. On the one hand, I think he's a liar but on the other he might actually be an idiot. Hardly seems presidential to me in either case.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 03:26 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 03:26 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 03/02/2016, 01:54 PMI think he's a complete twat, but I'm not terribly concerned that he'd start a world war or drop nukes. He's not invested in the war industry, so there's nothing for him to gain personally by starting a world war; on the contrary, his wealth is based on catering to the ridiculously wealthy, many of whom are foreign, so he'd go broke if he pissed off the rest of the world.Just wait until someone hurts his ego, then bravado comes.
I generally agree, though, that he's not as crazy as he comes across, and I'm not worried about him with nukes. I think Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio would actually be worse. For him, it's mostly show. That doesn't mean anything good will come from his presidency, though.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 03/02/2016, 03:29 PM
Post by: Dicer on 03/02/2016, 03:29 PM
Dark times ahead...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/02/2016, 03:32 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/02/2016, 03:32 PM
I wouldn't use Trump saying he's against the Iraq trainwreck now as proof that he'd never do something similar, seeing as he was all for it before the invasion.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/02/2016, 03:33 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/02/2016, 03:33 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 03:26 PMI generally agree, though, that he's not as crazy as he comes across, and I'm not worried about him with nukes. I think Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio would actually be worse. For him, it's mostly show. That doesn't mean anything good will come from his presidency, though.Yeah, I think that if he's elected he'll be a run-of-the-mill generally bad president rather than the next Hitler or anything of the sort. He's not likely to ruin the world I don't think but I am worried that he'll, perhaps, initiate some bad policies that'll wind up affecting a substantial amount of people.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 03:41 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 03:41 PM
We actually have a good example of a Trump outside the US: Silvio Berlusconi. Can't wait for Drumpf's "bunga bunga (http://www.businessinsider.com/berlusconi-bunga-bunga-photos-2011-11?op=1)" parties to air on reality TV.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 03:50 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 03:50 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 03:41 PMWe actually have a good example of a Trump outside the US: Silvio Berlusconi. Can't wait for Drumpf's "bunga bunga (http://www.businessinsider.com/berlusconi-bunga-bunga-photos-2011-11?op=1)" parties to air on reality TV.Drumpf? Regardless of what you may think of Trump I think everyone should watch this.
http://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 04:05 PM
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 04:05 PM
Yeah, making fun of his name, that'll be the silver bullet that takes him down. Keep it up media.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 04:06 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 04:06 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 03:32 PMI wouldn't use Trump saying he's against the Iraq trainwreck now as proof that he'd never do something similar, seeing as he was all for it before the invasion.I was persuaded for it too way back when, plus all the democrats that voted for it like Hillary Clinton. Doesn't mean you can't learn, revise, acknowledge what a costly, deadly mistake it was... Considering the money isn't really there for more of these foreign "democratizing" misadventures, and it's beyond doubtful a republican Congress would ever vote for something like that again, accusing him of something potentially similar is unpersuasive, much less so with the pure fearmongering of most-likely-to-drop-nukes-again-willy-nilly.
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 03:50 PMDrumpf? Regardless of what you may think of Trump I think everyone should watch this.The Untruth About Donald Trump (https://web.archive.org/web/20160125084248if_/https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg&gl=US&hl=en)
http://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ
I think everyone should watch the above video if you wanna learn about news media hacks instead, how they operate when it's time to destroy a republican, and their unsuccessful attempts to destroy Trump in particular by twisting, distorting, libeling him, etc. every which way Sunday. It's very instructive, and when Trump is long gone, will still be a very valid critique of how news media hacks operate. Admittedly it's geared towards political news junkies like me, as it's an hour long, so unless you're really interested in politics, you won't stick around for that long.
The guy Bigus linked is basically Keith Olbermann/Overbite Part II from what I've seen of him.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/02/2016, 04:17 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/02/2016, 04:17 PM
Trump = Clown
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 04:17 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 04:17 PM
I could perhaps watch that guy talk about Donald Trump if he weren't so in love with the guy. The way he swooned when he mentioned that Trump first came to media attention in 1973 was astonishingly bad.
Surely you can do better than trivial drivel like this, Nightwolve?
Surely you can do better than trivial drivel like this, Nightwolve?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 04:20 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 04:20 PM
It's truly a sad day when the two worst possible contenders for the highest office in the land are in the lead. Way to go, USA... proving time and time again that you suck at simply existing.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 05:31 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 05:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcitixuXEAAxE3c.jpg)
Oh yeah, here's a really scary one of Trump when he was young on the Oprah Winfrey show... Definitely a nuke-dropper in the making right here:
http://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI
Oh yeah, here's a really scary one of Trump when he was young on the Oprah Winfrey show... Definitely a nuke-dropper in the making right here:
http://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 05:41 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 05:41 PM
BBC just reported
(https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11B9C/production/_88540627_e52e09f9-5afa-4c33-9dff-42274c6c2c29.jpg)
Quote from: BBCAs sure as "Results Wednesday" follows Super Tuesday, Americans were reacting to the outcome of the voting by searching on Google for how to move to Canada.(https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5C34/production/_88540632_0afa62c9-2f13-4499-9bb2-d8fba1dcdc7b.jpg)
On this occasion, a tweet by Google's data editor, Simon Rogers, alerted the world to renewed interest. He noted a spike of 350% in searches over a four-hour period for "how can I move to Canada" coming from the United States.
(https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11B9C/production/_88540627_e52e09f9-5afa-4c33-9dff-42274c6c2c29.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 05:46 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 05:46 PM
The whole "move to Canada" thing comes up anytime something like this happens. It's very predictable. But you wanna know what else is predictable? The next gas price hike when we get a president in office that once again decides to attack the Middle East... I've heard Trump's radio ads where some smarmy female voice is prattling on about how he will "destroy ISIS"... hey, why not, look at his past marriages... he has plenty of experience in destroying things... how many other candidates want to go to war? Oh yeah, most of them...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 06:09 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 06:09 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/02/2016, 05:46 PMThe whole "move to Canada" thing comes up anytime something like this happens. It's very predictable. But you wanna know what else is predictable? The next gas price hike when we get a president in office that once again decides to attack the Middle East... I've heard Trump's radio ads where some smarmy female voice is prattling on about how he will "destroy ISIS"... hey, why not, look at his past marriages... he has plenty of experience in destroying things... how many other candidates want to go to war? Oh yeah, most of them...I especially love it when some conservatives say they're going to Canada to escape gay marriage and government "intrusion" in healthcare.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 06:26 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/02/2016, 06:26 PM
I'll expand a little on what worries me about Trump becoming US president.
From what I've seen of Trump he has no diplomacy, he's nothing like Obama, he's always making enemies and absolutely never ever backs down, he always has to be right and have the last word. One example with the Mexicans, he said he's going to build a wall and then get them to pay for it. One thing Mexico but can you imagine if he tries to pull that kinda shit with Russia or China, I can tell you for certain they won't be pushed around, they'll push back.
It could be the ultimate example of the saying "well that escalated quickly".
From what I've seen of Trump he has no diplomacy, he's nothing like Obama, he's always making enemies and absolutely never ever backs down, he always has to be right and have the last word. One example with the Mexicans, he said he's going to build a wall and then get them to pay for it. One thing Mexico but can you imagine if he tries to pull that kinda shit with Russia or China, I can tell you for certain they won't be pushed around, they'll push back.
It could be the ultimate example of the saying "well that escalated quickly".
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 06:29 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 06:29 PM
Ah yes, the great exodus threat if-the-candidate-I-hate wins.
Here's who we'll lose:
toprightnews/these-celebrities-are-vowing-to-move-out-of-the-u-s-if-trump-wins/ (http://toprightnews.com/these-celebrities-are-vowing-to-move-out-of-the-u-s-if-trump-becomes-president/)
(https://s5.postimg.cc/3v3pidf6v/Far_Left_Hacks_Escape_If_Trump_Wins.jpg)
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
So, who is moving where (meme is wrong about all to Canada) ?
Rosie O'Donnell: Canada
Cher: Jupiter
Eddie Griffin: Africa
Barry Diller: no destination specified
Samuel L. Jackson: South Africa
Jon Stewart: another planet
Omari Hardwick: Italy
Katie Hopkins (British Columnist): United States
OHHH NOOO, not Rosie, anybody but Rosie!!!! Well, better for vote for a democrat to keep her American!! :lol:
And race-hustler Al "the REAL Slim Shady" Not-So-Sharpton ?? That's a "national treasure" right there, we'd be at a great loss if he left... :(
Samuel Jackson I will say would be a genuine loss, though. That is, if you're dumb enough to believe any of these exodus bluffs which are nothing more than petty propaganda plays by actors/celebrities using their platforms of fame (a disproportionate advantage over you) to influence your political vote.
EDIT: Uh-oh, breaking news folks, breaking news! Miley Cyrus has just announced her exodus plans and can also be added to the list!
It won't be a party anymore in the US of A if Trump wins... :/ So yep, gotta vote for a democrat now, that's another "national treasure" I would not want to lose... Gonna be tough...
P.S. Wow, look at that mouth though! ... Helluva shot to juxtapose against Trump! :lol:
Here's who we'll lose:
toprightnews/these-celebrities-are-vowing-to-move-out-of-the-u-s-if-trump-wins/ (http://toprightnews.com/these-celebrities-are-vowing-to-move-out-of-the-u-s-if-trump-becomes-president/)
(https://s5.postimg.cc/3v3pidf6v/Far_Left_Hacks_Escape_If_Trump_Wins.jpg)
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
So, who is moving where (meme is wrong about all to Canada) ?
Rosie O'Donnell: Canada
Cher: Jupiter
Eddie Griffin: Africa
Barry Diller: no destination specified
Samuel L. Jackson: South Africa
Jon Stewart: another planet
Omari Hardwick: Italy
Katie Hopkins (British Columnist): United States
OHHH NOOO, not Rosie, anybody but Rosie!!!! Well, better for vote for a democrat to keep her American!! :lol:
And race-hustler Al "the REAL Slim Shady" Not-So-Sharpton ?? That's a "national treasure" right there, we'd be at a great loss if he left... :(
Samuel Jackson I will say would be a genuine loss, though. That is, if you're dumb enough to believe any of these exodus bluffs which are nothing more than petty propaganda plays by actors/celebrities using their platforms of fame (a disproportionate advantage over you) to influence your political vote.
EDIT: Uh-oh, breaking news folks, breaking news! Miley Cyrus has just announced her exodus plans and can also be added to the list!
Quote from: Miley Cyrus"Donald Trump is a f--king nightmare!" ...http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/miley-cyrus-donald-trump-is-a-f-king-nightmare/
"gonna vom / move out da country. #aintapartyindausaanymo."
It won't be a party anymore in the US of A if Trump wins... :/ So yep, gotta vote for a democrat now, that's another "national treasure" I would not want to lose... Gonna be tough...
P.S. Wow, look at that mouth though! ... Helluva shot to juxtapose against Trump! :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 06:53 PM
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 06:53 PM
I'm surprised Rosie didn't leave already after being permanently annihilated by Trump on tv (https://youtu.be/d32577Hom08).
There's no way anyone could survive that anal devastation.
There's no way anyone could survive that anal devastation.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 07:24 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 07:24 PM
If you look carefully at Donald Drumpf's life, one thing is for certain: whatever insults he flings at other people apply equally to himself. He calls Cruz and Rubio liars, yet he's been caught out in so many lies, it makes Bill Clinton look like Honest Abe. Now, I'm no fan of Rosie, but everything Drumpf said about her also applies equally to himself: unattractive, a bad man inside and out, very lucky to have Melania, and has multiple failed ventures.
I think inside he's insanely self-conscious, and all this tough guy exterior is him making up for that, not that that excuses his asinine and imbecilic verbal diarrhea.
I think inside he's insanely self-conscious, and all this tough guy exterior is him making up for that, not that that excuses his asinine and imbecilic verbal diarrhea.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 07:34 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 07:34 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 06:29 PMUh-oh, breaking news folks, breaking news! Miley Cyrus has just announced her exodus plans and can also be added to the list!Good riddance there... :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/02/2016, 07:53 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/02/2016, 07:53 PM
I think Trump at least gets the GOP nomination. I don't see how he can't at this point he has my Governor dangling off string.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 08:07 PM
Post by: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 08:07 PM
His name is Trump; saying otherwise makes you look pretty silly.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 08:36 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 08:36 PM
Quote from: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 08:07 PMHis name is Trump; saying otherwise makes you look pretty silly.Like the time he made fun of Jon Stewart for changing his last name? It's a cultural joke, bud. The only thing that's silly is that people are could even entertain the thought of him as president.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PM
I really cannot see what's wrong with reinforcing immigration policies, and I still haven't heard any convincing argument against it. He's not going to make a concentration camp for mexicans, guys. Keep in mind that I'm a foreigner who's 6 months in the US now...
That said, ultimately I don't care (much) about who's going to be the next US president anyway... but seeing how the establishment is trying to prevent him from winning at all costs, I think he might be the right candidate for president. Or maybe the media is right. Who knows. Who cares? I have enough headaches thinking (and getting mad) about brazilian politics already...
DRUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMPF
That said, ultimately I don't care (much) about who's going to be the next US president anyway... but seeing how the establishment is trying to prevent him from winning at all costs, I think he might be the right candidate for president. Or maybe the media is right. Who knows. Who cares? I have enough headaches thinking (and getting mad) about brazilian politics already...
DRUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMPF
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 03/02/2016, 08:43 PM
Post by: Gredler on 03/02/2016, 08:43 PM
"he has some good ideas, don't get me wrong, but he is also so extremely far off on so many topics, most topics. He's like a delicious cake filled with feces. The delicious cake will only tastes good at first, but once you get deep, it tastes like shit"
-gredler, 2016
-gredler, 2016
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 08:47 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 08:47 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PMbut seeing how the establishment is trying to prevent him from winning at all costsHe is the establishment... both of them are. Trump is the business side and Clinton is the political side. They are two sides of the same coin.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 08:59 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 08:59 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 03/02/2016, 08:47 PMSpot on. Hence the reason why none of them will be getting my vote. I have a feeling if he does get elected, he'll face the same battle Obama has had with the Republican side of the Senate. Might just end up being a very loud lame duck at best.Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PMbut seeing how the establishment is trying to prevent him from winning at all costsHe is the establishment... both of them are. Trump is the business side and Clinton is the political side. They are two sides of the same coin.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 09:12 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 09:12 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 08:59 PMI don't think we should be opposed to establishment candidates per se, though I'm with you on neither getting my vote. Bernie would have been the only good candidate this cycle. Conceivably Rand Paul could have done something good, too, but he sold himself to the GOP to get votes. But let's face the truth on the matter, Republican voters do not actually limited government.Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/02/2016, 08:47 PMSpot on. Hence the reason why none of them will be getting my vote. I have a feeling if he does get elected, he'll face the same battle Obama has had with the Republican side of the Senate. Might just end up being a very loud lame duck at best.Quote from: Psycho Punch on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PMbut seeing how the establishment is trying to prevent him from winning at all costsHe is the establishment... both of them are. Trump is the business side and Clinton is the political side. They are two sides of the same coin.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/02/2016, 09:34 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/02/2016, 09:34 PM
I know this thread is avout Trump but I saw two people mention that they hate Cruz. I'm just wondering specifics as to why?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 10:05 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 10:05 PM
Quote from: Desh on 03/02/2016, 09:34 PMI know this thread is avout Trump but I saw two people mention that they hate Cruz. I'm just wondering specifics as to why?I dislike the Tea Party, and Cruz is bona fide Tea Party (and a Christian extremist to boot), but most hate for Ted Cruz comes from his peers, and for good reasons:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/why-everyone-in-congress-hates-ted-cruz.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/why-everyone-in-congress-hates-ted-cruz.html)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/ted-cruz-jerk-hated (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/ted-cruz-jerk-hated)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/why-dc-hates-ted-cruz/426915/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/why-dc-hates-ted-cruz/426915/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 10:46 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 10:46 PM
Quote from: Desh on 03/02/2016, 09:34 PMI know this thread is avout Trump but I saw two people mention that they hate Cruz. I'm just wondering specifics as to why?http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
That is all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 10:51 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/02/2016, 10:51 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 10:46 PMCare to explain further?Quote from: Desh on 03/02/2016, 09:34 PMI know this thread is avout Trump but I saw two people mention that they hate Cruz. I'm just wondering specifics as to why?http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
That is all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 11:06 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/02/2016, 11:06 PM
(https://s5.postimg.cc/ozs5xadk7/Trump_Vs_Clinton.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 11:28 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 11:28 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 10:51 PMI'm sure to get some flac for this but here it goes...Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/02/2016, 10:46 PMCare to explain further?Quote from: Desh on 03/02/2016, 09:34 PMI know this thread is avout Trump but I saw two people mention that they hate Cruz. I'm just wondering specifics as to why?http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
That is all.
None of any of these main stream candidates have any kind of monetary reform policy. What does that mean? Well it means under our current our dollars are backed by nothing instead of something tangible like gold. Not that I'm advocating going back to a gold standard or anything, but at the bare minimum reform our dollar to be backed by gdp (gross domestic product) or a basket of currencies instead of having to borrow money from the federal reserve just to pay on interest (currently at 103% of our gdp).
http://patch.com/connecticut/middletown-ct/bp--what-is-the-us-dollar-really-backed-by (http://patch.com/connecticut/middletown-ct/bp--what-is-the-us-dollar-really-backed-by)
https://www.quora.com/The-US-dollar-is-basically-a-debt-How-will-the-US-be-able-to-pay-so-much-debt (https://www.quora.com/The-US-dollar-is-basically-a-debt-How-will-the-US-be-able-to-pay-so-much-debt)
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/10/29/3717416/ted-cruz-gold-standard-debate/ (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/10/29/3717416/ted-cruz-gold-standard-debate/)
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/12/tim_fernhold_on.html (http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/12/tim_fernhold_on.html)
I don't care if you are voting Democrat or Republican or none of the above, but the reality is if our dollar turns to shit it won't matter who is running this country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/03/2016, 09:39 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/03/2016, 09:39 AM
Quote from: Psycho Punch on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PMI really cannot see what's wrong with reinforcing immigration policies, and I still haven't heard any convincing argument against it. He's not going to make a concentration camp for mexicans, guys.Mostly because of cost and it not being necessary. To fulfill the shit he's claimed he'd do (export 11 million illegals, build a giant wall, secure the border, etc.) it's estimated it'd cost $1 trillion to start and with ongoing annual costs of $100 billion plus. That's on top of what's already being spent on border security and doesn't include the economic costs of losing so many laborers.
I'd rather see such money and effort spent on roads or schools than on something that's not really a problem in the first place.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 09:59 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 09:59 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 10:05 PMI'm sorry but those articles are a bit laughable even by liberally biased sources. The first article of course starts with the typical "Cruz is not physically pretty and is an a-hole" slander backed with no specific sources. The rest goes on to explain why other republicans hate him. In fact the whole point of the article actually explains why I think Cruz is the best out of any remaining candidate. You know exactly what you're getting with Cruz. He is a man of principle and stands firmly in his beliefs. I do agree with you on some of his extremism, especially on the religious side of things but he's never backed down from his beliefs.Quote from: Desh on 03/02/2016, 09:34 PMI know this thread is avout Trump but I saw two people mention that they hate Cruz. I'm just wondering specifics as to why?I dislike the Tea Party, and Cruz is bona fide Tea Party (and a Christian extremist to boot), but most hate for Ted Cruz comes from his peers, and for good reasons:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/why-everyone-in-congress-hates-ted-cruz.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/why-everyone-in-congress-hates-ted-cruz.html)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/ted-cruz-jerk-hated (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/ted-cruz-jerk-hated)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/why-dc-hates-ted-cruz/426915/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/why-dc-hates-ted-cruz/426915/)
I agree when he criticises hacks like Mitch McConnell who are WAY too long in the tooth on Capitol hill. Ol' Mitch is a perfect example of why I believe in term limits. I also, agree with Cruz's stance on many senior GOP congressman just rolling over an many of the Democrat perogatives. While the whole point to our government boils down to "compromise" Cruz is basically stating that the GOP stallworts are giving in to too many things with no returned favors from the "left".
I also think it's kind of funny how Opie posts about hating the Tea Party then Bigus follows up in the next post preaching that he doesn't like Ted Cruz because of the national debt and devaluing of the U.S. dollar. Ummmm..... the main goal of the Tea Party is to simplify government and in turn reduce spending.
While I don't agree 100% with everything the Tea Party stands for and I also don't agree with 100% of what Cruz stands for, and he most certainly won't be making the cover of GQ anytime soon, look at the piles of crap left standing. He has my vote.
P.S. It appears Nightwolve leans to the right yet he lives in an ultra liberal area of the country. No wonder he's always so pissed off. :D
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/03/2016, 10:04 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/03/2016, 10:04 AM
OK, Desh, would an article from the National Review explaining that the establishment hates Cruz good enough for you?
Also, the main goal of the Tea Party is not to simplify the government. Otherwise, Tea Partiers would not have wanted to impose yet more restrictions on abortion. They're merely an ultra-right anti-Obama group. Where was the outrage when Bush increased the federal government greater than anyone since FDR (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-bigger/?page=all)?
Tea Party preached one thing, but if you had gone to any of their rallies, one thing was constant: anti-Obama slogans and xenophobic remarks on signs were very popular.
QuoteSimply put, this latter group thinks Cruz is a phony. They echo David Brooks in the belief that he’s a “nakedly ambitious” and “selfish Machiavellian.” They roll their eyes at his anti-establishment assaults, detecting political opportunism where his supporters see principle. They’re convinced that general-election voters would agree, and that if he somehow won the presidency he’d happily discard his constitutional-conservative stances to keep it.http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429952/ted-cruz-donald-trump-gop-establishment-prefers-trump (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429952/ted-cruz-donald-trump-gop-establishment-prefers-trump)
[...]
[When] Trump says that Cruz “can’t get along with anybody in Washington” and that “everybody hates Ted,” he’s echoing the very establishment against which he’s campaigned so loudly.
Also, the main goal of the Tea Party is not to simplify the government. Otherwise, Tea Partiers would not have wanted to impose yet more restrictions on abortion. They're merely an ultra-right anti-Obama group. Where was the outrage when Bush increased the federal government greater than anyone since FDR (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-bigger/?page=all)?
Tea Party preached one thing, but if you had gone to any of their rallies, one thing was constant: anti-Obama slogans and xenophobic remarks on signs were very popular.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 03/03/2016, 10:18 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 03/03/2016, 10:18 AM
To me, Trump just sucks.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/03/2016, 10:47 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/03/2016, 10:47 AM
If Cruz were elected, he'd be another Bush getting us into unwinnable wars for the wrong reasons:
"We were horrified to see the sight of ten American sailors on their knees with their hands on their heads. In that State of the Union, President Obama didn't so much as mention the ten sailors that had been captured by Iran," Cruz said. "And I give you my word, if I am elected president, no serviceman or servicewoman will be forced to be on their knees in any nation that captures our fighting men and women. We'll field the full force and fury of the United States of America," he promised.
What kind of moron would go to war over so little, especially when we were clearly in the wrong?
"We were horrified to see the sight of ten American sailors on their knees with their hands on their heads. In that State of the Union, President Obama didn't so much as mention the ten sailors that had been captured by Iran," Cruz said. "And I give you my word, if I am elected president, no serviceman or servicewoman will be forced to be on their knees in any nation that captures our fighting men and women. We'll field the full force and fury of the United States of America," he promised.
What kind of moron would go to war over so little, especially when we were clearly in the wrong?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 11:02 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 11:02 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/03/2016, 10:04 AMOK, Desh, would an article from the National Review explaining that the establishment hates Cruz good enough for you?QuoteSimply put, this latter group thinks Cruz is a phony. They echo David Brooks in the belief that he's a "nakedly ambitious" and "selfish Machiavellian." They roll their eyes at his anti-establishment assaults, detecting political opportunism where his supporters see principle. They're convinced that general-election voters would agree, and that if he somehow won the presidency he'd happily discard his constitutional-conservative stances to keep it.http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429952/ted-cruz-donald-trump-gop-establishment-prefers-trump (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429952/ted-cruz-donald-trump-gop-establishment-prefers-trump)
[...]
[When] Trump says that Cruz "can't get along with anybody in Washington" and that "everybody hates Ted," he's echoing the very establishment against which he's campaigned so loudly.
Also, the main goal of the Tea Party is not to simplify the government. Otherwise, Tea Partiers would not have wanted to impose yet more restrictions on abortion. They're merely an ultra-right anti-Obama group. Where was the outrage when Bush increased the federal government greater than anyone since FDR (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-bigger/?page=all)?
Tea Party preached one thing, but if you had gone to any of their rallies, one thing was constant: anti-Obama slogans and xenophobic remarks on signs were very popular.
Quote from: guest on 03/03/2016, 10:04 AMOK, Desh, would an article from the National Review explaining that the establishment hates Cruz good enough for you?I'm not disagreeing with you that the staus quo hates him. I suppose if you like how things are currently run on Capitol Hill he would not be your candidate. I like the fact that he is trying to shake it up... even if it's battle that can't be won. Do you really think his filibuster over Obamacare funding would change anything? Of course not but at least he stood against it. I personally abhore Obamacare. Do I think healthcare needed reform? Hell yes! but Obamacare has been a terrible way to go about it since the beginning. That article states that they THINK he would, "discard his constitutional-conservative stances" to remain president if elected. What proof? Where in Cruz's history on Capitol Hill is this apparent?QuoteSimply put, this latter group thinks Cruz is a phony. They echo David Brooks in the belief that he's a "nakedly ambitious" and "selfish Machiavellian." They roll their eyes at his anti-establishment assaults, detecting political opportunism where his supporters see principle. They're convinced that general-election voters would agree, and that if he somehow won the presidency he'd happily discard his constitutional-conservative stances to keep it.http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429952/ted-cruz-donald-trump-gop-establishment-prefers-trump (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429952/ted-cruz-donald-trump-gop-establishment-prefers-trump)
[...]
[When] Trump says that Cruz "can't get along with anybody in Washington" and that "everybody hates Ted," he's echoing the very establishment against which he's campaigned so loudly.
Also, the main goal of the Tea Party is not to simplify the government. Otherwise, Tea Partiers would not have wanted to impose yet more restrictions on abortion. They're merely an ultra-right anti-Obama group. Where was the outrage when Bush increased the federal government greater than anyone since FDR (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-bigger/?page=all)?
Tea Party preached one thing, but if you had gone to any of their rallies, one thing was constant: anti-Obama slogans and xenophobic remarks on signs were very popular.
If you think the only perogative of the Tea Party is to ban abortion I request you do a bit more research. This is the exact reason I said I don't agree with 100% of what the Tea Party stands for. Admittedly, how can anyone know EXACTLY what the Tea Party stands for? Their motives have been all over the board, even contradicting themselves at times. Let's face it, it's extremism, but, they do believe in deregulation which does simplify govermnment and they are against raising the national debt. They are certainly against abortion and gay marriage but that is not all they are "fighting" for. To be blunt I do not identify as a Tea Partier as I don't necessarily agree with their social stances. I do agree with their politcal stances when it comes to government spending.
In regards to H.W. you're preaching to the choir. Does anyone think he was a phenomenal president? The democrats did it to themselves on those elections. After the Clinton debacle they put Gore up against him? Really... a left side extremist? Then Kerry? Look at the bang up job he's doing these days. Actually, if you look back at the last 5-6 elections it's all crap. You just have to pick your favorite turd.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/03/2016, 11:39 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/03/2016, 11:39 AM
I was one of those in this thread that you asked about, since I wrote "fuck Ted Cruz". It's many things, but substantively, he stands on the opposite side as me on nearly every issue. It's as simple as that. His wanna-be macho warmongering, his refusal to negotiate or compromise on any issue, his extremely right-wing stance on every single social issue, etc. The list goes on.
Beyond that, and less important, the guy comes off as a greasy, grandstanding weasel. Plus, nobody could watch that Machine Gun Bacon video without wanting to punch him in his smug, dopey face. ;)
Beyond that, and less important, the guy comes off as a greasy, grandstanding weasel. Plus, nobody could watch that Machine Gun Bacon video without wanting to punch him in his smug, dopey face. ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 11:51 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 11:51 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/03/2016, 11:39 AMI was one of those in this thread that you asked about, since I wrote "fuck Ted Cruz". It's many things, but substantively, he stands on the opposite side as me on nearly every issue. It's as simple as that. His wanna-be macho warmongering, his refusal to negotiate or compromise on any issue, his extremely right-wing stance on every single social issue, etc. The list goes on.I agree with you he is a bit extreme and I respect that you have different views. You do have to admit that compromise needs to come from both sides. Alot of the debacle that is the current state of congress mirrors this sentiment. This country is certainly at a cross roads with parties that are on each extreme end when most people fall somewhwere in the middle.
Beyond that, and less important, the guy comes off as a greasy, grandstanding weasel. Plus, nobody could watch that Machine Gun Bacon video without wanting to punch him in his smug, dopey face. ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 03/03/2016, 12:01 PM
Post by: Gredler on 03/03/2016, 12:01 PM
Unfortunately the moderates have no pull in this country, only the extremes will have a say and we will see trump Vs Clinton. The title of this thread is depressingly accurate. Compromise is dead in this country, and both sides are to blame.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 03/03/2016, 12:26 PM
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 03/03/2016, 12:26 PM
The Don is the worst possible outcome to this race and I'm thankful that he's almost surely 0 chance at beating either Democratic candidate.
Also,
(https://i1.wp.com/gameluv.com/luv/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/bonk3.jpg)
Also,
(https://i1.wp.com/gameluv.com/luv/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/bonk3.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/03/2016, 12:55 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/03/2016, 12:55 PM
Quote from: Gredler on 03/03/2016, 12:01 PMUnfortunately the moderates have no pull in this country, only the extremes will have a say and we will see trump Vs Clinton. The title of this thread is depressingly accurate. Compromise is dead in this country, and both sides are to blame.What are you talking about? With enough money, Clinton would compromise any of her values!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 01:44 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/03/2016, 01:44 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/03/2016, 12:55 PMBoom! This is something we totally agree on.Quote from: Gredler on 03/03/2016, 12:01 PMUnfortunately the moderates have no pull in this country, only the extremes will have a say and we will see trump Vs Clinton. The title of this thread is depressingly accurate. Compromise is dead in this country, and both sides are to blame.What are you talking about? With enough money, Clinton would compromise any of her values!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/03/2016, 04:35 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/03/2016, 04:35 PM
Quote from: Desh on 03/03/2016, 09:59 AMP.S. It appears Nightwolve leans to the right yet he lives in an ultra liberal area of the country. No wonder he's always so pissed off. :DYeah, Chicago/Cook county. This is why Illinois goes blue on presidential elections, democrats long since captured Chicago, and one other county. Every other county votes republican, but they captured the 2 biggest ones revolving around the big city, so we're a democrat state now... This relates to why they wanna dissolve the electoral college having captured other big, populous cities and if it happened, it'd guarantee them presidential wins for generations to come.
I wouldn't have expected somewhat solid Reagan credentials from you in defending Cruz, so that's interesting. My first choice was really governor Scott Walker, he looked good on paper, not a bomb-thrower, solid credentials, but he couldn't get any traction, then Ted Cruz who could've carried some Latino votes being Cuban, another Reagan republican I saw. I guess Marco Rubio, also a Cuban, wouldn't have been bad either, but it's looking like Donald Trump will actually win the primary, so I'll have to pull the lever for him against any democrat.
That's the way the ball rolls when you're left with 2 choices given the 2 party system. Pick whichever one you think is less of a turd relative to your politics. I'm well aware of what o.pwuaioc's pointed out, he's very flawed, has flip-flopped on many issues, so you're left with somebody that's very malleable as Jimmy Carter pointed out in his wish that Ted Cruz and any other solid Reaganite loses. They see him as a lesser evil, that they'd have a chance to bend him to their policies in several areas, assuming he wins which is debatable...
Trump came out in defense of Planned Parenthood and
Partly for me, it's been really entertaining watching Trump v. Far Left news media hacks acting as an arm for the Democrat Party. I think he's given them a good bloody nose but the reverse is also true, I mean, I don't think I saw this many free, libelous comparisons to WWII mass-murdering dictators (Hitler/Mussolini/Franco) since the George W. Bush era at the height of the Iraq war, and the man hasn't been elected to anything yet... It'd be hard for him to win given all the negatives he's picked up, being careless with his Twitter account, falling for their traps, the Mussolini quote trap, the David KKK Duke trap, etc. he's really been far too careless, should know better, but oh well... He needs better media handlers instead of having chosen to be too unfiltered, but that's been part of his appeal at times.
(https://s5.postimg.cc/4i77ln1gn/Donald_Trump_FUMeme1.jpg)
Whatever happens, the Trumpster has been a helluva thing to watch, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 03/03/2016, 04:41 PM
Post by: elmer on 03/03/2016, 04:41 PM
Quote from: HitchHiker's Guide to the GalaxyPresident of the Imperial Galactic GovernmentSome people might feel that the job description of the POTUS isn't really any different.
The President is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/03/2016, 05:21 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/03/2016, 05:21 PM
Oh wait a second, I have to retract his position on Obamacare, he just came out with the "repeal/replace" TrumpCare/DonaldCare policy...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/705173204948656129 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/705173204948656129)
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/15/exclusive-donald-trump-free-market-donaldcare-will-replace-obamacare-repeal/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/15/exclusive-donald-trump-free-market-donaldcare-will-replace-obamacare-repeal/)
Ooops, my bad... I went by his old live interview saying he supported single-payer systems, "can't let people die on the streets," and praising Europe's (or Canada's I think ??) approach... That really does get ridiculous, you don't really know where you could trust him on key issues... :/ At first glance having skimmed it, it does actually look like something I'd prefer over Obamacare, though.
EDIT: Here it is, just so I'm not imagining things:
Trump: "Everybody's gotta be covered, this is an unrepublican thing for me to say"
Universal healthcare??
Trump: "I'm going to take care of everybody, I don't care if it costs me votes or not"
http://youtu.be/XyLR9Xcm--w
http://youtu.be/x-fgD8Xgg1Y
Da Trumpster, another Coleco Chameleon, one day he's a red republican, the next day he's a blue democrat, and the day after that a purple varying hybrid, rinse and repeat... :P
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/705173204948656129 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/705173204948656129)
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/15/exclusive-donald-trump-free-market-donaldcare-will-replace-obamacare-repeal/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/15/exclusive-donald-trump-free-market-donaldcare-will-replace-obamacare-repeal/)
Ooops, my bad... I went by his old live interview saying he supported single-payer systems, "can't let people die on the streets," and praising Europe's (or Canada's I think ??) approach... That really does get ridiculous, you don't really know where you could trust him on key issues... :/ At first glance having skimmed it, it does actually look like something I'd prefer over Obamacare, though.
EDIT: Here it is, just so I'm not imagining things:
Trump: "Everybody's gotta be covered, this is an unrepublican thing for me to say"
Universal healthcare??
Trump: "I'm going to take care of everybody, I don't care if it costs me votes or not"
http://youtu.be/XyLR9Xcm--w
http://youtu.be/x-fgD8Xgg1Y
Da Trumpster, another Coleco Chameleon, one day he's a red republican, the next day he's a blue democrat, and the day after that a purple varying hybrid, rinse and repeat... :P
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/04/2016, 10:20 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/04/2016, 10:20 AM
I just don't understand how Trump could be any worse than the existing shit stains we've had already? Don't you want to see someone get in the driver seat and jerk the wheel?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/04/2016, 10:29 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/04/2016, 10:29 AM
Well, there's pandering, and then there's this:
Trump denies ever praising Putin (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/04/donald_trump_definitely_praised_vladimir_putin.html)
Trump praises Putin, calls him a leader (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-praises-putin-216929)
Trump is disqualified by any measure. I'd vote for any one of you over Trump.
Trump denies ever praising Putin (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/04/donald_trump_definitely_praised_vladimir_putin.html)
Trump praises Putin, calls him a leader (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-praises-putin-216929)
Trump is disqualified by any measure. I'd vote for any one of you over Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: VenomMacbeth on 03/04/2016, 11:47 AM
Post by: VenomMacbeth on 03/04/2016, 11:47 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/04/2016, 10:20 AMI just don't understand how Trump could be any worse than the existing shit stains we've had already? Don't you want to see someone get in the driver seat and jerk the wheel?This might be the best analogy I've seen. Jerking the wheel is one thing, but Dukes of Hazzarding us all into the bottom of a ravine is not what I had in mind.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/04/2016, 02:31 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/04/2016, 02:31 PM
No matter who gets elected, obey will not be affected. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/04/2016, 03:57 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/04/2016, 03:57 PM
http://gawker.com/voicemails-appear-to-reveal-donald-trumps-cozy-relation-1762690660 (http://gawker.com/voicemails-appear-to-reveal-donald-trumps-cozy-relation-1762690660)
Hmmm
Hmmm
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 03/04/2016, 08:12 PM
Post by: Gredler on 03/04/2016, 08:12 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/04/2016, 03:57 PMhttp://gawker.com/voicemails-appear-to-reveal-donald-trumps-cozy-relation-1762690660 (http://gawker.com/voicemails-appear-to-reveal-donald-trumps-cozy-relation-1762690660)Can you give some sort of description to the link? I don't like clicking on stuff without an idea of what it is :(
Hmmm
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/04/2016, 09:02 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/04/2016, 09:02 PM
Quote from: Gredler on 03/04/2016, 08:12 PMEssentially Trump's a phony and the people who bought into his new firebrand values are suckers. But don't bother reading the article because a) it's Gawker, and fuck Gawker, and b) the voicemails they use to back up the claims cannot be verified as authentic, so there's no point in even reading this.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/04/2016, 03:57 PMhttp://gawker.com/voicemails-appear-to-reveal-donald-trumps-cozy-relation-1762690660 (http://gawker.com/voicemails-appear-to-reveal-donald-trumps-cozy-relation-1762690660)Can you give some sort of description to the link? I don't like clicking on stuff without an idea of what it is :(
Hmmm
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/08/2016, 04:09 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/08/2016, 04:09 PM
BBC News Reported
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35750868 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35750868)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35750868 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35750868)
Quote from: BBCEgyptian student agrees to leave US after Trump comment.
A student pilot from Egypt has agreed to leave the US after posting on Facebook that the world would thank him if he killed Donald Trump.
Emadeldin Elsayed, 23, was not charged with a crime but the US authorities sought to deport him, his attorney, Hani Bushra, said.
Immigration authorities said they would allow him to return home voluntarily as long as he departed by 5 July.
Mr Elsayed is being held in a jail in California after his visa was revoked.
Mr Bushra said on Monday that Mr Elsayed's detention was illegal.
"He's being detained, I think, primarily because he's a Muslim and he's a Middle Easterner," Mr Bushra told the AP news agency. "This kid is going to become a poster boy for hating America."
US Secret Service agents interviewed Mr Elsayed in early February after he posted a photo of Mr Trump on Facebook and wrote he was willing to serve a life sentence for killing the billionaire, and the world would thank him, Mr Bushra said.
Mr Elsayed had said earlier that he never intended to hurt anyone. He said he wrote the post because of Mr Trump's comments about Muslims.
Mr Trump, who is leading the race for the Republican nomination for the presidency, has promised a crackdown on immigration. He has vowed to build a wall along the entire Mexican border and called for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/08/2016, 04:21 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/08/2016, 04:21 PM
When you're a guest in another country, it's best not to make terroristic threats no matter how half-assed. Don't shit where you eat, dumb ass.
Besides, he's not exactly refuting Trump's assertion that all Muslims are dangerous by advocating murder and claiming all Muslims would rejoice. :lol:
Besides, he's not exactly refuting Trump's assertion that all Muslims are dangerous by advocating murder and claiming all Muslims would rejoice. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/08/2016, 08:50 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/08/2016, 08:50 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/08/2016, 04:21 PMWhen you're a guest in another country, it's best not to make terroristic threats no matter how half-assed. Don't shit where you eat, dumb ass.Great post.
Besides, he's not exactly refuting Trump's assertion that all Muslims are dangerous by advocating murder and claiming all Muslims would rejoice. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jperryss on 03/09/2016, 08:58 AM
Post by: jperryss on 03/09/2016, 08:58 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/08/2016, 04:21 PMWhen you're a guest in another country, it's best not to make terroristic threats no matter how half-assed. Don't shit where you eat, dumb ass.It's perfectly OK for Ted Nugent (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/), though.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/09/2016, 09:26 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/09/2016, 09:26 AM
Quote from: jperryss on 03/09/2016, 08:58 AMAs despicable as Ted Nugent is, he's safe because there's not actually an explicit death threat there. They did investigate him, though.Quote from: NecroPhile on 03/08/2016, 04:21 PMWhen you're a guest in another country, it's best not to make terroristic threats no matter how half-assed. Don't shit where you eat, dumb ass.It's perfectly OK for Ted Nugent (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/), though.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/09/2016, 09:29 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/09/2016, 09:29 AM
I think Nugent is a gun nut whackjob, but that's hardly analogous; he's a US citizen with the right to free speech, not some POS that can easily be booted without the need for lengthy court battles. Also, if it was 'perfectly ok' he wouldn't have been investigated by the Secret Service, had canceled concert appearances, or had several Republicans speaking out against him.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/09/2016, 10:01 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/09/2016, 10:01 AM
Well said, Necro. I don't mean to pile on jperryss, but I wish more people could say, "You know what? That was a dick move" instead of saying, "Well, what about this guy from the 'other side'?" It see it all the time. One guy bitches about Obama, the next guy says, "Well, at least he didn't do what Bush did!" I hate that shit so much. It does no good and just keeps spinning the argument. That Egyptian kid is a dick. Ted Nugent is a dick. But one has nothing to do with the other.
Back to Trump, I've had talks with some people who identify as Republicans or "conservative" or whatever, and they've said that they hate him but would have to vote for him instead of Hillary. My question is: why? Hear me out: I'm not saying they should vote for Hillary. I'm saying, why vote at all, then? Or, why not vote your conscious? If you're a Jeb guy or a Cruz guy (WTF?), there's nothing stopping you from writing them in. Sure, they're not going to win, but at least you can sleep well knowing you didn't vote for someone you think is an absolute piece of shit.
Back to Trump, I've had talks with some people who identify as Republicans or "conservative" or whatever, and they've said that they hate him but would have to vote for him instead of Hillary. My question is: why? Hear me out: I'm not saying they should vote for Hillary. I'm saying, why vote at all, then? Or, why not vote your conscious? If you're a Jeb guy or a Cruz guy (WTF?), there's nothing stopping you from writing them in. Sure, they're not going to win, but at least you can sleep well knowing you didn't vote for someone you think is an absolute piece of shit.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jperryss on 03/09/2016, 11:28 AM
Post by: jperryss on 03/09/2016, 11:28 AM
I realize now that I probably sounded like I was defending this guy, which I wasn't. I just wish we could deport Ted.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/09/2016, 11:55 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/09/2016, 11:55 AM
Quote from: jperryss on 03/09/2016, 11:28 AMI realize now that I probably sounded like I was defending this guy, which I wasn't. I just wish we could deport Ted.Ha! Yeah, he's a total douche.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/09/2016, 11:57 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/09/2016, 11:57 AM
Heh, I'd be okay with that. Years and years of these lolrage pundits are precisely why Trump is doing so well.
Though I do like his music, the older stuff anyway.
Though I do like his music, the older stuff anyway.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/09/2016, 05:11 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/09/2016, 05:11 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 03/09/2016, 11:57 AMHeh, I'd be okay with that. Years and years of these lolrage pundits are precisely why Trump is doing so well.I also like his stance on hunting, i.e. with a bow, one with nature and whatnot, though that was back in the late 90s early 00s, so I don't know what he's like now.
Though I do like his music, the older stuff anyway.
I don't think we should deport Ted. There's something sacred about citizenship, I think, and to strip someone of it really ought to be reserved for treason alone (though not by the current definition of treason, under which someone like Snowden could be prosecuted).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/10/2016, 09:53 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/10/2016, 09:53 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/09/2016, 11:57 AMHeh, I'd be okay with that. Years and years of these lolrage pundits are precisely why Trump is doing so well.I listened to Cat Scratch Fever (and other classic Nugent) a billion times when I drove across America (three times).
Though I do like his music, the older stuff anyway.
It just felt appropriate.
Especially when I was driving in bonafide "Nugent territory" ...
The man is crazy, and is my polar opposite, but I still dig him and tunes.
He is America. He is not the only person to represent America, but I certainly include him in Le Pantheon.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/11/2016, 10:04 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/11/2016, 10:04 AM
This video is exactly why I can't believe people are falling for Trump's bullshit:
https://youtu.be/htdfSFlSus4
He's asked a very simple question, and just answers by repeating over and over again, "Der...I'll make a good deal, derp." Rubio then follows it up with an educated and specific answer, worthy of someone who's running for president.
Vote Republican, sure. Knock yourself out. But don't vote for this fraud.
https://youtu.be/htdfSFlSus4
He's asked a very simple question, and just answers by repeating over and over again, "Der...I'll make a good deal, derp." Rubio then follows it up with an educated and specific answer, worthy of someone who's running for president.
Vote Republican, sure. Knock yourself out. But don't vote for this fraud.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/11/2016, 10:34 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/11/2016, 10:34 AM
I'd rather have four years of Hilary than let this numbfuck kill off the Latino vote for Republicans.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DragonmasterDan on 03/11/2016, 11:10 AM
Post by: DragonmasterDan on 03/11/2016, 11:10 AM
This caught my eye
http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/ (http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/)
http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/ (http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/11/2016, 11:26 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/11/2016, 11:26 AM
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 03/11/2016, 11:10 AMThis caught my eyeThat's phenomenal.
http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/ (http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/11/2016, 11:53 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/11/2016, 11:53 AM
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 03/11/2016, 11:10 AMThis caught my eyeThis is pretty damn funny... brilliant marketing. It will be spectacular their sales numbers will be yuuge!
http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/ (http://worldofwonder.net/trumpfootlong-chicago-stand-the-weiners-circle-selling-3-inch-long-hot-dogs-in-donalds-honor/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MNKyDeth on 03/11/2016, 12:13 PM
Post by: MNKyDeth on 03/11/2016, 12:13 PM
I wish I followed politics more. But of the slight bit that I have viewed and researched the only one I could even fathom getting behind is Bernie Sanders.
I mean, to me personally, Hillary is a joke, Trump will say anything, and the rest... well... ummm.... who the frack are they?
I guess I should say more.... But I just feel it's a popularity contest among monkeys and if we vote or not, anyone of them will fuck us over as best they can and I don't see it changing.
I mean, to me personally, Hillary is a joke, Trump will say anything, and the rest... well... ummm.... who the frack are they?
I guess I should say more.... But I just feel it's a popularity contest among monkeys and if we vote or not, anyone of them will fuck us over as best they can and I don't see it changing.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 08:57 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 08:57 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/11/2016, 10:34 AMI'd rather have four years of Hilary than let this numbfuck kill off the Latino vote for Republicans.Careful what you wish for. Also many LEGAL Latino immigrants are for Trump as they worked hard for citizenship and they don't want it simply handed over to people pouring over the border. People that actually work for a living and pay taxes are fiscal conservatives no matter the race.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 10:59 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 10:59 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/11/2016, 09:27 PMThat is one fucking ignorant statement even for you, evo.Explain your thought process.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/11/2016, 11:04 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/11/2016, 11:04 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 10:59 PMLots of people vote for liberal fiscal policies who work for a living and pay taxes.Quote from: Nulltard on 03/11/2016, 09:27 PMThat is one fucking ignorant statement even for you, evo.Explain your thought process.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 11:39 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 11:39 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/11/2016, 11:04 PMAnd lots of people don't. Back in the 80's we had this group of people called "Reagan Democrat's". A Reagan Democrat is a traditionally Democratic voter in the United States, referring especially to white working-class Northerners or Midwesterners who defected from their party to support Republican President Ronald Reagan in either or both the 1980 and 1984 elections. They are more moderate Democrats who are more conservative than liberal on certain issues like national security and immigration. It has expanded to working and middle class people's of all races and don't wish to have their hard earned wealth confiscated as they know the size of the middle class is shrinking fast.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/11/2016, 10:59 PMLots of people vote for liberal fiscal policies who work for a living and pay taxes.Quote from: guest on 03/11/2016, 09:27 PMThat is one fucking ignorant statement even for you, evo.Explain your thought process.
That issue is coming up again and includes Latino's, who are also of strong christian faith. They are willing to put of with some GOP bullshit for someone bullish on Security, immigration, and fiscal conservatism. You'll see.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/12/2016, 01:06 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/12/2016, 01:06 AM
First of all, drop the superfluous apostrophes. It's "Reagan Democrats" and "Latinos." Second, look again at your statement: "People that actually work for a living and pay taxes are fiscal conservatives no matter the race." See anything glaringly wrong about what you wrote? Third, plenty of high ranking Reagan-era Republicans (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/16/reagan-era-conservatives-reject-economics-of-todays-gop) have disavowed the current Republican party, which, I might add, isn't really fiscally conservative. In fact, it was Reagan under whom debt grew the fastest (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/08/does-obama-have-the-worst-record-on-any-president-on-the-national-debt/).
But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant circle jerk.
But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant circle jerk.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 03/12/2016, 12:44 PM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 03/12/2016, 12:44 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 03/03/2016, 09:39 AMI need more people like NecroPhile and less political meme parrots dumbing down any legitimate question about US politicians at every opportunity. It really looks like Trump isn't fit for president the more I look into it.Quote from: Psycho Punch on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PMI really cannot see what's wrong with reinforcing immigration policies, and I still haven't heard any convincing argument against it. He's not going to make a concentration camp for mexicans, guys.Mostly because of cost and it not being necessary. To fulfill the shit he's claimed he'd do (export 11 million illegals, build a giant wall, secure the border, etc.) it's estimated it'd cost $1 trillion to start and with ongoing annual costs of $100 billion plus. That's on top of what's already being spent on border security and doesn't include the economic costs of losing so many laborers.
I'd rather see such money and effort spent on roads or schools than on something that's not really a problem in the first place.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/12/2016, 02:06 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/12/2016, 02:06 PM
Evo: STFU
I work hard and I would pay even more taxes if they were spent on increasing social welfare programs.
I want significantly less tax money subsidizing corporations (corporate welfare) and military. Let's have better schools, less bombs.
So: taxes are good. I just don't want my tax money supporting death or corporate greed.
I want my taxes helping folks, even if I don't directly benefit. In the grand scheme of the cosmos, we should be helping folks.
A lot of people are like me.
We can think beyond our own selfish, personal interests.
I work hard and I would pay even more taxes if they were spent on increasing social welfare programs.
I want significantly less tax money subsidizing corporations (corporate welfare) and military. Let's have better schools, less bombs.
So: taxes are good. I just don't want my tax money supporting death or corporate greed.
I want my taxes helping folks, even if I don't directly benefit. In the grand scheme of the cosmos, we should be helping folks.
A lot of people are like me.
We can think beyond our own selfish, personal interests.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 03/12/2016, 05:03 PM
Post by: Gredler on 03/12/2016, 05:03 PM
Quote from: esteban on 03/12/2016, 02:06 PMEvo: STFUEsteban for president, except don't defund military, otherwise nice post! :)
I work hard and I would pay even more taxes if they were spent on increasing social welfare programs.
I want significantly less tax money subsidizing corporations (corporate welfare) and military. Let's have better schools, less bombs.
So: taxes are good. I just don't want my tax money supporting death or corporate greed.
I want my taxes helping folks, even if I don't directly benefit. In the grand scheme of the cosmos, we should be helping folks.
A lot of people are like me.
We can think beyond our own selfish, personal interests.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bernie on 03/12/2016, 07:33 PM
Post by: Bernie on 03/12/2016, 07:33 PM
Im undecided between Trump and Bernie. I like em both, and feel like they would both be good presidents. A lot of people stand behind Trump becuz they tired of the BS.
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/12/2016, 09:12 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/12/2016, 09:12 PM
I also don't agree with defunding the military. I don't have an issue with welfare programs for people that actually need them or need short term help. I can't stand the welfare lifers that work the system so they don't have to work. I go in to plenty of these peoples' homes as my company does work for local government housing projects. Many of these people don't work and get benefits and cheap or free housing yet they have nicer TVs, electronics etc. than I do. If welfare could be policed better or have some sort of a limitation of benefits over a lifespan (this would obviously not include folks with mental or physical disabilities) I would stand behind it even more. As it is now it sickens me.
A great example is an entire neighborhood of 2000 sq. ft. homes that were built 12 years ago (we did the HVAC work in all of them). Today only half of them still stand. The city has already had to bulldoze many because they were so neglected and run down by the people that got to live in them at little to no cost. This type of waste of my tax money makes me sick. These people got a newer larger home than I own and just destroyed it. This is what happens when you just give something to someone without them having to actually earn it. People in general are stupid lazy turds but, when you actually have to work your ass off to get something you're more likely to take care of it.
A great example is an entire neighborhood of 2000 sq. ft. homes that were built 12 years ago (we did the HVAC work in all of them). Today only half of them still stand. The city has already had to bulldoze many because they were so neglected and run down by the people that got to live in them at little to no cost. This type of waste of my tax money makes me sick. These people got a newer larger home than I own and just destroyed it. This is what happens when you just give something to someone without them having to actually earn it. People in general are stupid lazy turds but, when you actually have to work your ass off to get something you're more likely to take care of it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/12/2016, 09:15 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/12/2016, 09:15 PM
Quote from: Desh on 03/12/2016, 09:12 PMI also don't agree with defunding the military. I don't have an issue with welfare programs for people that actually need them or need short term help. I can't stand the welfare lifers that work the system so they don't have to work. I go in to plenty of these peoples' homes as my company does work for local government housing projects. Many of these people don't work and get benefits and cheap or free housing yet they have nicer TVs, electronics etc. than I do. If welfare could be policed better or have some sort of a limitation of benefits over a lifespan (this would obviously not include folks with mental or physical disabilities) I would stand behind it even more. As it is now it sickens me.They're a drop in the bucket compared to corporate welfare. And what's worse? Police being able to execute people without trial by their peers, with little oversight and even less action by those who should hold them accountable. Why worry about pennies and you're being robbed and battered by others?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/13/2016, 01:26 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/13/2016, 01:26 AM
Quote from: Bernie on 03/12/2016, 07:33 PMIm undecided between Trump and Bernie. I like em both, and feel like they would both be good presidents. A lot of people stand behind Trump becuz they tired of the BS.I am with you 100%. I would like to see things shaken up, both these guys will do that. If both are nominated I need to think it through, if only one is nominated they will get my vote.
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 01:37 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 01:37 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 08:36 PMYes, about that... Of course there's more to the story. Jon Stewart threw the first punch picking a fight with Trump by renaming him to "F--kface Von Clownstick..." Good ole Stewart, elevating the political discourse in the country, right ? So Trump retorted by reporting that his last name, Stewart, is fake, it was changed from Leibowitz.Quote from: EmperorIng on 03/02/2016, 08:07 PMHis name is Trump; saying otherwise makes you look pretty silly.Like the time he made fun of Jon Stewart for changing his last name? It's a cultural joke, bud. The only thing that's silly is that people are could even entertain the thought of him as president.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-unleashes-fury-on-phony-jon-stewart-for-fkface-von-clownstick-nickname/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-unleashes-fury-on-phony-jon-stewart-for-fkface-von-clownstick-nickname/)
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So it was OK for Jon Stewart to insult Trump by renaming him to "F--kface Von Clownstick" but Trump responding to this attack by pointing out the guy calling him a f--kface actually changed his name was so wrong ? Who's the victim here, poor Jon Stewart, the attack dog of the Far Left that spent ~16 some years trashing republicans for a living ?
And here comes this John Oliver, who worked for Jon Stewart some years back, crying for his poor boss having his name "attacked" and using that as disingenuous justification to play "white knight" to go back ~400 years to discover some Trump ancestor changed their family name from Drumpf, and this somehow is hypocrisy on Trump for having responded to a troll christening him as "F--kface Von Clownstick" in 2013... Rrrrigggghttt.
Jon Stewart chose to change his name, a choice he made himself and making a judgement on that after he christens you "F--kface the F--kstick" or whatever is fair game if you ask me! But any decision by an ancestor in the 1600's in no way reflects on Donald Trump, much like how a Ben Affleck ancestor was discovered to be a slave owner reflects NOTHING on him either, unless you wanna be a dick, that is!
This looks like classic bullies getting indignant after punching someone in the face and the target daring to punch them right back... How dare you Trump, you were supposed to take that "F--kface" insult with class, not report the troll attacking you changed his own name... Not fair, not fair!! Oh yeah, well hah, in the 1600's an ancestor of yours changed Drumpf to Trump, so f--k you!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 03/13/2016, 03:43 AM
Post by: jtucci31 on 03/13/2016, 03:43 AM
I don't give a fuck what the guy's name is/was/will be and I don't care how big his dick is. He's still an asshole
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 03:50 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 03:50 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/13/2016, 03:43 AMI don't give a fuck what the guy's name is/was/will be and I don't care how big his dick is. He's still an assholeI agree! Jon Stewart is an asshole! I don't want to know anything about Jon Stewart's dick!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 03/13/2016, 04:06 AM
Post by: jtucci31 on 03/13/2016, 04:06 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 03:50 AM:lol: :lol:Quote from: guest on 03/13/2016, 03:43 AMI don't give a fuck what the guy's name is/was/will be and I don't care how big his dick is. He's still an assholeI agree! Jon Stewart is an asshole! I don't want to know anything about Jon Stewart's dick!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 04:13 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 04:13 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 03:50 AMYeah and so apparently his birth name is Jon Leibowitz, but pointing this out after he christens you "F--kface Von Clownstick" in front of a million plus of his "Daily Show" viewers is a low class, hurtful "attack" according to him and John Oliver so they were more than justified to dig for dirt on Trump's ancestry going back 400+ years... Guess he dodged a bullet not having some ancestor that was a slave owner like say Ben Affleck, as they would've been more than happy to tie something like that in their KKK smears...Quote from: guest on 03/13/2016, 03:43 AMI don't give a fuck what the guy's name is/was/will be and I don't care how big his dick is. He's still an assholeI agree! Jon Stewart is an asshole! I don't want to know anything about Jon Stewart's dick!
#MakeJonStewartLeibowitzAgain2016
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AM
Post by: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AM
Quote from: Desh on 03/12/2016, 09:12 PMI also don't agree with defunding the military. I don't have an issue with welfare programs for people that actually need them or need short term help. I can't stand the welfare lifers that work the system so they don't have to work. I go in to plenty of these peoples' homes as my company does work for local government housing projects. Many of these people don't work and get benefits and cheap or free housing yet they have nicer TVs, electronics etc. than I do. If welfare could be policed better or have some sort of a limitation of benefits over a lifespan (this would obviously not include folks with mental or physical disabilities) I would stand behind it even more. As it is now it sickens me.How is the local economy? Does it suck? Then the problem is clearly far greater than individual laziness.
A great example is an entire neighborhood of 2000 sq. ft. homes that were built 12 years ago (we did the HVAC work in all of them). Today only half of them still stand. The city has already had to bulldoze many because they were so neglected and run down by the people that got to live in them at little to no cost. This type of waste of my tax money makes me sick. These people got a newer larger home than I own and just destroyed it. This is what happens when you just give something to someone without them having to actually earn it. People in general are stupid lazy turds but, when you actually have to work your ass off to get something you're more likely to take care of it.
Also, you do realize that generalizing huge swaths of poor folks as "lazy" is the oldest, and frankly, most *intellectually lazy* way to attack a group that has been demonized and scapegoated by (intellectually) lazy politicians for decades?
How many fewer missiles could have funded an aggressive education program for all of the families?
How many fewer gallons of jet fuel could have provided healthcare?
How might an emphasis on a Life Corps instead of a Death Corps help rebuild the infrastructure of America (think of it as a new Public Works initiative, but with expanded effort to teach skills over a LONG-TERM)?
Sorry folks, our government could be doing a much better job at teaching skills/providing jobs than the model provided by the MILITARY (surely you understand this).
Please note what I am saying: we need an aggressive shift to providing education, skills and public works (infrastructure).
The problem is that we need to think LONG-TERM (we can provide some band aids for 20+ year olds) but real stability and strength require a commitment starting *today --> next few decades*... YOUTH OF TODAY need food, education, healthcare, safety, stability in their lives.
Personally, the role of the military (policy/budget) is but one of many areas that I would re-define.
I think it is fundamentally short-sighted to think that we should keep existing military policy/budget because it "provides jobs"....the government can (and should!) provide jobs...but I would never suggest that the military is the ideal model to follow (it isn't).
War on Drugs = failed policy. For decades. Plainly. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT. :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: VenomMacbeth on 03/13/2016, 11:56 AM
Post by: VenomMacbeth on 03/13/2016, 11:56 AM
Quote from: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AMAll of this. I'm so sick of anti-Berns being all "the government already gives out free education if you enlist." Putting one's life on the line to "defend our country" in purposeless wars shouldn't be the only way to get a "free" education.Quote from: Desh on 03/12/2016, 09:12 PMI also don't agree with defunding the military. I don't have an issue with welfare programs for people that actually need them or need short term help. I can't stand the welfare lifers that work the system so they don't have to work. I go in to plenty of these peoples' homes as my company does work for local government housing projects. Many of these people don't work and get benefits and cheap or free housing yet they have nicer TVs, electronics etc. than I do. If welfare could be policed better or have some sort of a limitation of benefits over a lifespan (this would obviously not include folks with mental or physical disabilities) I would stand behind it even more. As it is now it sickens me.How is the local economy? Does it suck? Then the problem is clearly far greater than individual laziness.
A great example is an entire neighborhood of 2000 sq. ft. homes that were built 12 years ago (we did the HVAC work in all of them). Today only half of them still stand. The city has already had to bulldoze many because they were so neglected and run down by the people that got to live in them at little to no cost. This type of waste of my tax money makes me sick. These people got a newer larger home than I own and just destroyed it. This is what happens when you just give something to someone without them having to actually earn it. People in general are stupid lazy turds but, when you actually have to work your ass off to get something you're more likely to take care of it.
Also, you do realize that generalizing huge swaths of poor folks as "lazy" is the oldest, and frankly, most *intellectually lazy* way to attack a group that has been demonized and scapegoated by (intellectually) lazy politicians for decades?
How many fewer missiles could have funded an aggressive education program for all of the families?
How many fewer gallons of jet fuel could have provided healthcare?
How might an emphasis on a Life Corps instead of a Death Corps help rebuild the infrastructure of America (think of it as a new Public Works initiative, but with expanded effort to teach skills over a LONG-TERM)?
Sorry folks, our government could be doing a much better job at teaching skills/providing jobs than the model provided by the MILITARY (surely you understand this).
Please note what I am saying: we need an aggressive shift to providing education, skills and public works (infrastructure).
The problem is that we need to think LONG-TERM (we can provide some band aids for 20+ year olds) but real stability and strength require a commitment starting *today --> next few decades*... YOUTH OF TODAY need food, education, healthcare, safety, stability in their lives.
Personally, the role of the military (policy/budget) is but one of many areas that I would re-define.
I think it is fundamentally short-sighted to think that we should keep existing military policy/budget because it "provides jobs"....the government can (and should!) provide jobs...but I would never suggest that the military is the ideal model to follow (it isn't).
War on Drugs = failed policy. For decades. Plainly. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT. :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/13/2016, 12:27 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/13/2016, 12:27 PM
Those who want to exploit the system are going to exploit the system no matter what you do to safeguard it. Politicians and the rich do it all the time, yet nothing is ever done about it. Taking out your wrath on the poor because anecdotes is short-sighted. I don't care that a minuscule portion of my taxes may go to some poor person who didn't earn it... I care that a huge portion of my taxes go to rich fucks who don't need it. I myself live in subsidized housing and pay only a small amount each month... I have a part-time job that pays minimum fucking wage. I have nice stuff (electronics, clothes, etc) because I shop at thrift shops and pay rock-bottom prices for it. My decent phone was a gift from my ex wife. Such judgments on regular people is completely ignorant. You have no idea how they got their stuff. People don't have to dress in rags and beg on the street corner to appease your fucking prejudice.
Oh, and I should add... by shopping at the local thrift shops, I help put money into taking care of the disadvantaged people of the community... even though I don't live in said community. The thrift shop I spend the most money at has a dining hall where they give free dinner every night to the poor and homeless. My voluntarily-spent money from my part-time minimum-wage job helps feed the hungry. What the fuck have all the judgmental pricks of the world done for society lately aside from bitch and moan about shit they don't understand?
Oh, and I should add... by shopping at the local thrift shops, I help put money into taking care of the disadvantaged people of the community... even though I don't live in said community. The thrift shop I spend the most money at has a dining hall where they give free dinner every night to the poor and homeless. My voluntarily-spent money from my part-time minimum-wage job helps feed the hungry. What the fuck have all the judgmental pricks of the world done for society lately aside from bitch and moan about shit they don't understand?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 01:19 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 01:19 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/12/2016, 01:06 AMFirst of all, drop the superfluous apostrophes. It's "Reagan Democrats" and "Latinos." Second, look again at your statement: "People that actually work for a living and pay taxes are fiscal conservatives no matter the race." See anything glaringly wrong about what you wrote? Third, plenty of high ranking Reagan-era Republicans (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/16/reagan-era-conservatives-reject-economics-of-todays-gop) have disavowed the current Republican party, which, I might add, isn't really fiscally conservative. In fact, it was Reagan under whom debt grew the fastest (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/08/does-obama-have-the-worst-record-on-any-president-on-the-national-debt/).When you are angry at " superfluous apostrophes", you are grasping at straws to make a point. It is true that people who work very hard and pay their own way plus taxes are fiscal conservatives. That does not mean that they are Republicans or very religious, they are just very conscious on how their money is spent and who is collecting it. If you wana argue DEBT, well, you need to only look at the past 8 years under Obama.
But don't let facts get in the way of your ignorant circle jerk.
Ahem..
Since President Obama took office, the national debt has increased by $8.4 trillion. On January 20, 2009, it stood at $10.6 trillion; on Monday, it was at $19.111 trillion. Listen, the issue is government spending, and on both sides, but when one side is arguing massive tax increases and spending, well that leaves little choice now does it? Me being a jerk has no impact on Government spending and taxes. I don't believe that you are ignorant of these facts, however I believe you are too biased or one sided to even take note. Just take your head out of the sand, the Government simply taxes and spends and lies, why deal with another career politician promising change but more taxes and spending and debt and collapse of middle class and more poverty and more food stamps and free benefits/education to people coming here illegally. How about we get a guy in the drivers seat and jerk the wheel.
Quote from: esteban on 03/12/2016, 02:06 PMEvo: STFUYou are very ignorant. You know the Government makes waste and doesn't spend properly, 19 Trillion in debt is overwhelming evidence of this. The Government is a child with their parents credit card maxing it out on a daily basis, crying, throwing fits, until the bill is paid only to do it again.
I work hard and I would pay even more taxes if they were spent on increasing social welfare programs.
I want significantly less tax money subsidizing corporations (corporate welfare) and military. Let's have better schools, less bombs.
So: taxes are good. I just don't want my tax money supporting death or corporate greed.
I want my taxes helping folks, even if I don't directly benefit. In the grand scheme of the cosmos, we should be helping folks.
A lot of people are like me.
We can think beyond our own selfish, personal interests.
I 100% agree on Corporate Welfare, no argument, but then you must agree people on permanent welfare who get better benefits and free homes, food, healthcare than the hard workers who must foot the bill for this. You can't have it both ways, sorry. You must work and provide.
Calling me selfish is a lark at best. I care very much how my taxes are spent, simply forking money over to the government and saying you care is extremely ignorant. You should care how that money is spent, do you even know how it's spent? Have you even looked?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/13/2016, 02:32 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/13/2016, 02:32 PM
Quote from: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AMHow is the local economy? Does it suck? Then the problem is clearly far greater than individual laziness.Not the best, not the worst, I would consider it average for the midwest. Toledo is Detroit light as our economy rises and falls with the auto industry. Many Chrysler plants, a GM powertrain plant, Jeep Cherokee and Wrangler are built here. There also used to be a lot more auto industry businesses (Champion Spark Plug being the biggest) that were chased away about 20 years ago. This is about the time that there was a large exodus from the city. In any event, finding a decent paying job in the area, even with no skills, is not difficult. Heroin addiction locally is a MAJOR problem.
Quote from: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AMAlso, you do realize that generalizing huge swaths of poor folks as "lazy" is the oldest, and frankly, most *intellectually lazy* way to attack a group that has been demonized and scapegoated by (intellectually) lazy politicians for decades?Nowhere did I generalize "huge swaths of poor folks" as lazy. I made a specific comment about a specific area that I am familiar with as I not only personally completed the work originally but, also have returned to perform repairs and maintenance (on the government's dime) and see how many of them live. I never said that ALL of them live like this but, in this particular area MOST do.
Quote from: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AMHow many fewer missiles could have funded an aggressive education program for all of the families?Not much of an argument from me here as this can be looked at through multiple wars in our history... not just the liberal public enemy #1 George W. However, I would like to ask what good does an aggressive education program provide if folks don't attend? In my area the drop out rate of the public school system is sickening.
Quote from: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AMHow many fewer gallons of jet fuel could have provided healthcare?Indeed! Not only on the war front but also on the homeland. How much is wasted on jets in the private, corporate and political sectors? With today's technology certainly travel could be reduced correct?
Quote from: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AMHow might an emphasis on a Life Corps instead of a Death Corps help rebuild the infrastructure of America (think of it as a new Public Works initiative, but with expanded effort to teach skills over a LONG-TERM)?Again, no disagreement from me other than getting a willingness to attend for it to be effective.
Quote from: esteban on 03/13/2016, 10:43 AMSorry folks, our government could be doing a much better job at teaching skills/providing jobs than the model provided by the MILITARY (surely you understand this). Agreed! I am simply against defunding the military because we do need to defend ourselves. If we did not have a powerful military what would happen if we were attacked? Ask the aggressor to please stop? In the same token I wish we could stay out of other world affairs more and worry about what is going on here. Why does the U.S. always have to be the "world police"?I agree, the exploitation on the corporate level is more costly but the exploitation of public welfare systems shouldn't be viewed as a problem? I'd love if both problems could be solved. Again, I was not making a general prejudice to "poor" people (based on my yearly income I would be considered below middle class), I sited a specific instance that I am VERY familiar with. When I say nice stuff I mean the latest OLED 4K 70" TV's with a PS4 and XBOX One hooked to it. I have not seen any of these pop up at my local thrift shops yet. I also mentioned in my previous post that I am 100% for welfare for people that need it. When my wife and I had our first child we were not married yet and I was working 2 low paying jobs 7 days a week. We could not afford the medical costs for all of the doctor visits and delivery. At that time we did get government assistance. It really helped us as we couldn't have survived without it. My 2nd and 3rd child we had "good" coverage as my wife was working for the local school system. I am still paying off those bills. This is a great example that healthcare is broken (mainly because the costs for even simple things are more than ridiculous) but if you have government assistance it doesn't cost a dime. This is where some people realize that it costs more to work hard than just not work and get it for free. The system is broken on both sides.
[/quote author=OldRover] Those who want to exploit the system are going to exploit the system no matter what you do to safeguard it. Politicians and the rich do it all the time, yet nothing is ever done about it. Taking out your wrath on the poor because anecdotes is short-sighted. I don't care that a minuscule portion of my taxes may go to some poor person who didn't earn it... I care that a huge portion of my taxes go to rich fucks who don't need it. I myself live in subsidized housing and pay only a small amount each month... I have a part-time job that pays minimum fucking wage. I have nice stuff (electronics, clothes, etc) because I shop at thrift shops and pay rock-bottom prices for it. My decent phone was a gift from my ex wife. Such judgments on regular people is completely ignorant. You have no idea how they got their stuff. People don't have to dress in rags and beg on the street corner to appease your fucking prejudice.
Quote from: OldRover on 03/13/2016, 12:27 PMOh, and I should add... by shopping at the local thrift shops, I help put money into taking care of the disadvantaged people of the community... even though I don't live in said community. The thrift shop I spend the most money at has a dining hall where they give free dinner every night to the poor and homeless. My voluntarily-spent money from my part-time minimum-wage job helps feed the hungry. What the fuck have all the judgmental pricks of the world done for society lately aside from bitch and moan about shit they don't understand?I am happy about this. There aren't but a couple places within driving distance from me that do this. We mainly have Goodwill, Savers and a few Salvation Army stores. Look it up and see where that money goes.
P.S. in all of my posts in this thread I don't believe I have mentioned how much I loathe Trump. I certainly consider myself to be more conservative so I agree with SOME of his policies I don't think I could bring myself to vote for him based on his demeanor alone. The guy is a loud mouth slandering jerk. He is literally the epitome of what the rest of the world would view as a "stupid american". How can you hold the office of President and present yourself in the way that he does?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 05:24 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 05:24 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 01:37 AMYes, about that... Of course there's more to the story. Jon Stewart threw the first punch picking a fight with Trump by renaming him to "F--kface Von Clownstick..." Good ole Stewart, elevating the political discourse in the country, right ? So Trump retorted by reporting that his last name, Stewart, is fake, it was changed from Leibowitz.Ah, yes, and of course there's precedent for presidential candidates stooping to the level of comedians. We all remember how when George Washington was heckled by a comedian, the president flipped him the bird and shouted, "Don't be a douche, shithead!" He then shot his pistols in the air and rode off on his
Calling Jon Stewart a bully for calling out Trump's bullying with an insult is just pure desperation.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 01:19 PMWhen you are angry at " superfluous apostrophes", you are grasping at straws to make a point.I wasn't making a point, I was asking you to spare us the eyesores of your trite garbage. If we have to read the concocted bullshit you spew, at least make it pretty.
QuoteIt is true that people who work very hard and pay their own way plus taxes are fiscal conservatives.This, ladies and gentlemen, is the real life example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
QuoteThat does not mean that they are Republicans or very religious, they are just very conscious on how their money is spent and who is collecting it. If you wana argue DEBT, well, you need to only look at the past 8 years under Obama.So you didn't even read the article. Cool. Glad to know I can ignore your verbal diarrhea since you've dropped the pretense at actually having a conversation, rather than just functioning as a broken record from the 1994 mid-term election talking-points series.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 05:29 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 05:29 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 06:34 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 06:34 PM
Quote from: guestWe all remember how when George Washington was heckled by a comedian........You have no idea how George Washington did or didn't respond to satirical writings of his time.
Quote from: esteban(stuff)Predictably, I disagree with a lot of what you've written. But I agree with some of it, too!
Interestingly, the two candidates who have most strongly advocated for two of your points -- improving the infrastructure and re-defining the role of the military -- are Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. The "how" is very different between them, but both advocate for an inwards-looking model.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 07:18 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 07:18 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 06:34 PMGuarantee you he didn't talk about the size of his penis or brag about being able to shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Ave.Quote from: guestWe all remember how when George Washington was heckled by a comedian........You have no idea how George Washington did or didn't respond to satirical writings of his time.Quote from: esteban(stuff)Predictably, I disagree with a lot of what you've written. But I agree with some of it, too!
Interestingly, the two candidates who have most strongly advocated for two of your points -- improving the infrastructure and re-defining the role of the military -- are Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. The "how" is very different between them, but both advocate for an inwards-looking model.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 07:31 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 07:31 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/13/2016, 05:24 PMObviously you are too liberal biased with knee-jerking MSNBC talking points. Instead of attacking the issues you name call and attack punctuation. When you can't make any valid point you resign yourself to sticking your head into the sand and say you will ignore more. This is what spoiled children do. It sounds really desperate on your part.Quote from: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 01:37 AMYes, about that... Of course there's more to the story. Jon Stewart threw the first punch picking a fight with Trump by renaming him to "F--kface Von Clownstick..." Good ole Stewart, elevating the political discourse in the country, right ? So Trump retorted by reporting that his last name, Stewart, is fake, it was changed from Leibowitz.Ah, yes, and of course there's precedent for presidential candidates stooping to the level of comedians. We all remember how when George Washington was heckled by a comedian, the president flipped him the bird and shouted, "Don't be a douche, shithead!" He then shot his pistols in the air and rode off on hischopperhorse blaring Mötley Crüe's Girls, Girls, Girls.
Calling Jon Stewart a bully for calling out Trump's bullying with an insult is just pure desperation.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 01:19 PMWhen you are angry at " superfluous apostrophes", you are grasping at straws to make a point.I wasn't making a point, I was asking you to spare us the eyesores of your trite garbage. If we have to read the concocted bullshit you spew, at least make it pretty.QuoteIt is true that people who work very hard and pay their own way plus taxes are fiscal conservatives.This, ladies and gentlemen, is the real life example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.QuoteThat does not mean that they are Republicans or very religious, they are just very conscious on how their money is spent and who is collecting it. If you wana argue DEBT, well, you need to only look at the past 8 years under Obama.So you didn't even read the article. Cool. Glad to know I can ignore your verbal diarrhea since you've dropped the pretense at actually having a conversation, rather than just functioning as a broken record from the 1994 mid-term election talking-points series.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 07:34 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 07:34 PM
Quote from: guestGuarantee you George Washington didn't talk about the size of his penis or brag about being able to shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Ave.George Washington actually did shoot people. Did he brag? I don't know. And neither do you.
As for the other bit, Donald Trump isn't the first president who ever engaged in innuendo... especially when someone else brought it up first. I kind of like presidents who act like real human beings.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 07:37 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 07:37 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/13/2016, 07:18 PM1836: Martin Van Buren prevailed despite Whig candidate William Henry Harrison's backers hammering the aristocratic Van Buren's style of refined dress. "Van Buren is laced up in corsets, such as a woman in town wear," read one hit piece.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 06:34 PMGuarantee you he didn't talk about the size of his penis or brag about being able to shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Ave.Quote from: guestWe all remember how when George Washington was heckled by a comedian........You have no idea how George Washington did or didn't respond to satirical writings of his time.Quote from: esteban(stuff)Predictably, I disagree with a lot of what you've written. But I agree with some of it, too!
Interestingly, the two candidates who have most strongly advocated for two of your points -- improving the infrastructure and re-defining the role of the military -- are Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. The "how" is very different between them, but both advocate for an inwards-looking model.
1840: With another crack at Van Buren four years later, a Harrison congressman crony, Charles Ogle, upped the attack, claiming the president "slept on fine French linens and ate from silver plates with forks of gold."
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Abraham Lincoln's democratic foe called him a "horrid-looking wretch."Photo: Getty Images
1844: James Polk overcame the shenanigans of Henry Clay, who in trying to up the tally from the sizeable Irish population in New York City claimed that he himself was also an immigrant whose real name was "Patrick O'Clay."
1856: James Buchanan was afflicted with a congenital palsy that caused his head to tilt slightly to the left. Opponent John Frémont's supporters spread the mistruth that the tilt was the result of Buchanan once trying to hang himself.
1860: Abe Lincoln was not the easiest on the eyes. Democratic foe Stephen Douglas' backers at the Charleston Mercury newspaper even called Abe a "horrid-looking wretch" who was "sooty and scoundrelly in aspect, a cross between the nutmeg dealer, the horse-swapper, and the nightman."
1876: In an attempt to ruin Rutherford B. Hayes, Democrats spread the rumor that he once shot his own mother "in a fit of insanity" after a night of drinking in Ohio. Poor old Sophia Birchard Hayes was deceased, so she wasn't around to debunk the claim. Hayes still defeated Samuel Tilden, though narrowly.
1896: The New York Times not only endorsed Republican William McKinley, the Gray Lady also published an article about his opponent William Jennings Bryan with the headline: "Is Mr. Bryan Crazy?" The piece interviewed so-called experts from the psychiatric field that concluded he suffered from megalomania, delusions of grandeur and quarrulent logorrhea, which is basically complaining too much. One expert said, "I should like to examine him as a degenerate."
1908: Of course, Jennings could sling some mud, too. Consider this hit piece from a Midwestern paper on William Taft, a Unitarian in faith. "Think of the United States with a president who does not believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, but looks upon our immaculate Savior as common bastard and low, cunning imposter."
1928: Speaking of playing the religious card, Herbert Hoover's backers said Democrat Al Smith, a Catholic, engaged in "card-playing, cocktail drinking, poodle dogs, divorces, novels, stuffy rooms, evolution . . . nude art, prize-fighting, actors, greyhound racing and modernism." Poodle dogs?
1952: Adlai Stevenson's chances of beating Dwight Eisenhower weren't great to begin with, and it didn't help that a leaflet distributed in the US heartland claimed that Stevenson had once killed a young girl "in a jealous rage."
Lyndon B. Johnson's campaign had a team put out a kids coloring book where his opponent was dressed in a Ku Klux Klan robe.Photo:
1964: In Lyndon Johnson's campaign against GOPer Barry Goldwater, he set up a secret 16-member team dubbed the "5 o'clock club" that wrote anonymous letter to columnist Ann Landers slamming Goldwater; secretly fed hostile questions to reporters on the Goldwater campaign trail; infiltrated headquarters to swipe advance texts of speeches; and even wrote books with titles like "The Case Against Barry Goldwater" and a kids book in which tykes could color in with crayons Goldwater dressed in a Ku Klux Klan robe.
1972: And then there was Richard Nixon. Watergate was the coup de grâce, but as anyone who's seen the film "All the President's Men" knows, Nixon operative Donald Segretti and his team of "ratf – – kers" started small. In the Democratic primary season, they ruined Edmund Muskie, whom they considered a strong potential opponent for the general election. In New Hampshire, voters began getting late-night phone calls from rude people pushing for Muskie. To play on racist fears, many callers were either black or pretended to be and added that they'd been bused up from Harlem to work for Muskie.
There are a ton more of course but these were of note. Nothing has changed really.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 08:14 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/13/2016, 08:14 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 07:34 PMHe fought in a war, not boast about being able to murder someone, and Donald Trump was not engaging in innuendo. Were you even watching when he said that?Quote from: guestGuarantee you George Washington didn't talk about the size of his penis or brag about being able to shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Ave.George Washington actually did shoot people. Did he brag? I don't know. And neither do you.
As for the other bit, Donald Trump isn't the first president who ever engaged in innuendo... especially when someone else brought it up first. I kind of like presidents who act like real human beings.
re: Nulltard, that never gets old. Please post that more often! :dance:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 08:31 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 08:31 PM
Quote from: guestDonald Trump was not engaging in innuendo. Were you even watching when he said that?Trump said: "He referred to my hands: 'If they're small, something else must be small.' I guarantee you there's no problem."
That's textbook innuendo.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 03/13/2016, 08:33 PM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 03/13/2016, 08:33 PM
null that spoiler gets me everytime :lol:
DO THE MUSCLE.
DO THE MUSCLE.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/13/2016, 09:22 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/13/2016, 09:22 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/13/2016, 08:31 PMTrump = clownQuote from: guestDonald Trump was not engaging in innuendo. Were you even watching when he said that?Trump said: "He referred to my hands: 'If they're small, something else must be small.' I guarantee you there's no problem."
That's textbook innuendo.
Other Republican hopefuls = clowns
Hillary = clown
One of my favorite films by Fellini, by the way, is <I>I Clowns</I>
I'm not teasing you. It is magnificent. For me, anyway.
It is a better way to spend a Sunday evening than arguing about the political buffoonery in U.S.America.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/13/2016, 09:39 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/13/2016, 09:39 PM
Nothing else brings out the fangs quite like politics, religion, and video games.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/13/2016, 10:52 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/13/2016, 10:52 PM
This is why I'm voting third party this cycle. Too much finger pointing and no one wants to work together. United we stand, divided we fall.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 11:39 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 11:39 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/13/2016, 09:10 AMIn the interest of chronology, Trump shot first. He didn't like something or other Stewart said and tweeted his real name with some insults: https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/327076720425451523 (https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/327076720425451523)http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-unleashes-fury-on-phony-jon-stewart-for-fkface-von-clownstick-nickname/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-unleashes-fury-on-phony-jon-stewart-for-fkface-von-clownstick-nickname/)
It was in response to that Stewart shared the F--kface von Clownstick name, and Stewart did not take credit for it. He said it was on twitter immediately after sharing it. He didn't "steal" it.
The sleazy/disingenuous/hypocritical part is where Trump accused Stewart of being ashamed of his heritage. Stewart changed his name to take on that of his mother (guess he wasn't fan of dad at that time), whereas Drumpf changed his name because.... ?
* You're correct, Trump used his real name in a previous Tweet and that led to the rename game. That mediaite article misled me on how this particular skirmish in their grudge began. Not sure how it was proportional to go with "F--kface von Clownstick" on the TV show, but he's part republican on some days, so that justifies just about any kind of insult.
* However, I stand by my initial guess that a Far Left hack troll like Stewart started the feuding all along, HE picked the fight against Trump and that's why Trump was insulting him back in some way. The "first shot" goes further back and Stewart fired first as a simple search yields.
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/08/jon-stewarts-10-greatest-daily-show-beefs/donald-trump (http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/08/jon-stewarts-10-greatest-daily-show-beefs/donald-trump)
QuoteThere are number of other great Stewart Trump-busting moments. Each time Trump made the news, whether it be for the controversial comments, the Birther movement, or his reality show, Stewart has been there to mock his fellow notable New Yorker.The feuding goes back at least as far as when Sarah Palin was running as VP, and Stewart started using him as a punchline, disrespecting, mocking, attacking, bashing, etc. him with things like "Captain Combover," "Son of a bitch!", dumb jokes like you'll contract gout from eating at some Trump joint, etc. That's just what I can find right now, don't care to search for more.
The most civil moment of this feud was back in 2004, when Trump was first a guest on The Daily Show.
* The reason Trump thought he took credit for "F--kface" is because he went by news media reports saying Stewart invented it:
Quote from: mediaite.comOn Wednesday evening, Jon Stewart invented a new nickname for real estate mogul and noted birther Donald Trump: "F--kface von Clownstick."Not Trump's fault if he sees news media reports saying that Jon Stewart "invented" a new birthname for him, and then replying "No, it was actually a moron on Twitter." That explains that.
* Claiming "hypocrisy" over what an ancestor did ~400 years ago is absurd... Really ? Did I misunderstand you here ? Does Ben Affleck have to answer for a slave owner ancestor ?
* I don't think it's sleazy/disingenuous to report a guy attacking/mocking/insulting you from his TV show for years has a stage/fake name, ask why he changed it, and form a response given the most popular reason people change their last names which is typically to Americanize it, to hide their heritage.
Most of all, I'm not buying John Oliver's portrayal of his boss Jon Stewart as the "poor victim" in this feud (along with all the other feuds Jon started first!) after dropping "F--kface von Clownstick" and all the previous attacks he lobbed at Trump from his show years back, but yet OH BOY, that one tweet REALLY crossed the line and 3 years later Oliver had to "teach him a lesson..."
* Only reason people like Trump would know his real name is because lots of other people like right-leaning commentators would use it given how when it was learned that any republican changed their name, it was thereafter a "fake name" by a "faker." He used the same standards Far Left hacks apply to us... He didn't "out" it and I suspect he listens to talk radio on occasion as that's where I learned him as Leibowitz. Larry King, also another one with a "fake name."
Quote from: guest on 03/13/2016, 05:24 PMHe wasn't a presidential candidate in 2013. His campaign began in 2015. And I don't see the equivalence of "Hey, Trump's birthname is 'F--kface Von Clownstick'! Haha, I'm funny!" versus "Hey, isn't *your* birth name actually Jon Leibowitz ? Why'd you change it ?" and then pointing to the most popular reason why people change their last name. I see no attack or mocking of his real last name, just questioning on his decision to change it.Quote from: NightWolve on 03/13/2016, 01:37 AMYes, about that... Of course there's more to the story. Jon Stewart threw the first punch picking a fight with Trump by renaming him to "F--kface Von Clownstick..." Good ole Stewart, elevating the political discourse in the country, right ? So Trump retorted by reporting that his last name, Stewart, is fake, it was changed from Leibowitz.Ah, yes, and of course there's precedent for presidential candidates stooping to the level of comedians. We all remember how when George Washington was heckled by a comedian, the president flipped him the bird and shouted, "Don't be a douche, shithead!" He then shot his pistols in the air and rode off on hischopperhorse blaring Mötley Crüe's Girls, Girls, Girls.
Regardless, I admit he doesn't have the typical cautious presidential temperament and you can find comments in the present as a candidate that make me cringe. As such, he's not my first choice. You really wouldn't like my first choices, but if he wins the primary, I'd still take him over ANY Far Left lawyer/"community disorganizer" hack that democrats offer up that never built a damn thing in their lives and simply specialize in imposing wealth re-distributive policies to corrupt/bribe the citizen to maintain/grow their power.
QuoteCalling Jon Stewart a bully for calling out Trump's bullying with an insult is just pure desperation.I didn't call Jon Stewart a bully just for his "F--kface Von Clownstick" insult by itself and Oliver then reusing that incident some 3 years later as if it was some great unfair wound that needed further retort. I call him a bully for his ~16 years bashing republicans or other celebrities that don't share his Far Left political views. Using his show/platform over the years to intimidate, humiliate, distort, embarrass, mock, etc. targets is in line with tacit attempts to bully them into proper compliance with what you want them to say/think/do/etc. and if not, to shut them up to avoid being targets.
Nothing "desperate" about it. He's a piece of shit, like Stephen Colbert is a piece of shit. At least Stewart could be funny though and I've laughed at his jokes at times even when they were directed at people like me, but never once found Colbert's shtick funny and am really surprised they chose a partisan hack like that to take over CBS' Late show.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/13/2016, 09:39 PMNothing else brings out the fangs quite like politics, religion, and video games.Funny, I was gonna bring that up minus videogames. Since we like to hang out with each other here, politics and religion are divisive subjects that'll really bring out differences, create grudges, put people in their battle stations - typically little good comes of it. In that sense, you wonder just how much you should engage with people in a thread like this, since it's guaranteed to make enemies.
I've never met anybody that was mature enough to discuss these issues without antagonism, and I include myself in that. I mean, look at the thread's title, it's a hysterical, hyberbolic smear from the start which has been used for decades... I don't think the solution is to never talk about such subjects though, but just to be aware of what it can lead to.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/14/2016, 12:31 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/14/2016, 12:31 AM
@Nightwolve, In fact, Trump was certainly considering a presidential career path (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html) in 2013, and earlier (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html).
PS. Jon Stewart has bashed plenty of Democrats, too. And a hearty "LOL" at the "far left wing" - there hasn't been one since Clinton killed it off in 92. That's why Bernie is very lonely in higher up endorsements. It's no longer right vs. left, as it was in 78 and prior. Its far right (see my comments to Evo about many older Republican jumping ship at the suicidal Tea Party upstarts) vs. centrists like Obama (post-election) and Clinton. If Bernie gets it, it'll be the first socialist president ever, and certainly the most liberal since Roosevelt, if not ever as well. In fact, you'd have to go back to the founding fathers to see such radical views expressed (compared to the times, that is).
But even then, he's far closer to the center than any of the leading Republicans are. I'll take Bernie's view on privacy and anti-free trade globalism any day over the pro-birth, pro-murder, pro-voodoo economics, anti-charitable hypocritical "Christians" any day of the week. At least one side has a heart, while the other side is content to preach one thing and do another. Pretty easy to see who's better, and no Republican right now even comes close.
PS. Jon Stewart has bashed plenty of Democrats, too. And a hearty "LOL" at the "far left wing" - there hasn't been one since Clinton killed it off in 92. That's why Bernie is very lonely in higher up endorsements. It's no longer right vs. left, as it was in 78 and prior. Its far right (see my comments to Evo about many older Republican jumping ship at the suicidal Tea Party upstarts) vs. centrists like Obama (post-election) and Clinton. If Bernie gets it, it'll be the first socialist president ever, and certainly the most liberal since Roosevelt, if not ever as well. In fact, you'd have to go back to the founding fathers to see such radical views expressed (compared to the times, that is).
But even then, he's far closer to the center than any of the leading Republicans are. I'll take Bernie's view on privacy and anti-free trade globalism any day over the pro-birth, pro-murder, pro-voodoo economics, anti-charitable hypocritical "Christians" any day of the week. At least one side has a heart, while the other side is content to preach one thing and do another. Pretty easy to see who's better, and no Republican right now even comes close.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/14/2016, 01:25 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/14/2016, 01:25 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/14/2016, 12:31 AM@Nightwolve, In fact, Trump was certainly considering a presidential career path (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html) in 2013, and earlier (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html).Yeah, I know it goes way back, just correcting the implication he had this exchange recently as an actual candidate. Not that there aren't plenty of present gaffes when it comes to him, he's still too careless and can get caught up in petty matters.
Regardless, a right-leaning republican always gets put under the microscope far more than democrats, so I'm not happy about all the negatives he's racked up as if he is the nominee, democrats will have lots of material to embarrass him with, even when they don't distort, omit facts/context to exaggerate.
QuotePS. Jon Stewart has bashed plenty of Democrats, too.I'm aware, that's why his audience could catch republicans wandering into it, but the way the game is played is you do 20 republicans, to 1 democrat, and then you can say, "See, see, I make fools of both sides of the aisle."
It's never a 50/50 affair 10 republicans embarrassed for every 10 democrats. Just because say Fox News has democrats come on and talk, doesn't mean you buy their "fair and balanced" motto, do you ? It's a game of triangulation.
Even the ACLU uses this tactic to claim bipartisanship or neutrality. For every say 1000 lawsuits they advanced left-wing causes, there was the time they dropped a friend-of-the-court brief when Rush Limbaugh got busted for his addiction to painkillers. Rush had his lawyer, didn't their need help, but they stuck their face in to gain publicity and it allows them to say, "See, see, we're not always commie lawyer hacks, we're bipartisan, right down the middle, we did that legal brief to help Rush Limbaugh..."
QuoteIts far right (see my comments to Evo about many older Republican jumping ship at the suicidal Tea Party upstarts) vs. centrists like Obama (post-election) and Clinton.I am a "centrist" myself actually. He that disagrees with me is either too far to the Left, or too far to the Right. :P
Quoteanti-charitable hypocritical "Christians" any day of the week.I think it's easy to sit back, vote for people to automate "charity" via the power of the state and call opponents of such an ever-expanding system of theft and redistribution hypocritical. I have a heart, but I have a brain too. Inspiring people to donate voluntarily is an actual Christian teaching, but robbing Peter to pay for Paul's welfare, his schooling, his retirement, or his sex-change operation or his condoms, etc. is something else... That becomes a system of bribery with stolen money. Democrats are primarily the party of Santa Claus (and the GOP's RINO left-wing which could fully take over in a few decades), and I recognize it's a losing battle against such a party because who doesn't love "free" stuff ? Very effective tactic and voting blocks that are socially/culturally opposite of modern democrats vote for them in majorities thanks to it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/14/2016, 01:57 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/14/2016, 01:57 AM
Quote from: guestI'll take Bernie's view on privacy and anti-free trade globalism any day over the pro-birth, pro-murder, pro-voodoo economics, anti-charitable hypocritical "Christians" any day of the week. At least one side has a heart, while the other side is content to preach one thing and do another.It's not hypocrisy. You can't legislate charity. The act of giving must be a personal choice or else it's not charity.
There's a faith-based reason that the Christian right opposes increased taxes to support social programs. Christian faith is dependent on free will. Christians must freely choose to follow Jesus, and they must freely choose to follow a path of goodness and charity. The more that Christians are taxed, the less ability they have to make charitable contributions. It doesn't matter whether you, I, or anyone else thinks the money is being well-spent. It's only charity if the giver believes in the cause and gives freely.
As for "saying one thing and doing another", the majority of charitable contributions in this country still come from people who identify as Christian. There are a lot of things wrong with organized religion, but lack of giving isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/14/2016, 09:47 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/14/2016, 09:47 AM
I wouldn't say Jon Stewart is completely against the right as he did have Rand Paul on his show a while back.
http://youtu.be/fvCTFpQYkjY
And he did endorse Ron Paul back in 2012.
http://youtu.be/07xNAjUYWhg
Yet he also interviewed Obama as well..
http://youtu.be/cUysRWiFIVI
Just to be fair, I'm sure a lot of people didn't realize that Larry King hosted the 3rd party debate in 2012 via youtube.
http://youtu.be/e0vE5CTTSFI
I much rather have their voices be heard instead of business as usual.
http://youtu.be/fvCTFpQYkjY
And he did endorse Ron Paul back in 2012.
http://youtu.be/07xNAjUYWhg
Yet he also interviewed Obama as well..
http://youtu.be/cUysRWiFIVI
Just to be fair, I'm sure a lot of people didn't realize that Larry King hosted the 3rd party debate in 2012 via youtube.
http://youtu.be/e0vE5CTTSFI
I much rather have their voices be heard instead of business as usual.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/14/2016, 11:11 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/14/2016, 11:11 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 01:19 PMIf you wana argue DEBT, well, you need to only look at the past 8 years under Obama.I'm no fan of Obama, but much of that debt would've accrued no matter who was president. At least half of it is a direct result of declining tax receipts and funding two joke wars.
Ahem..
Since President Obama took office, the national debt has increased by $8.4 trillion. On January 20, 2009, it stood at $10.6 trillion; on Monday, it was at $19.111 trillion.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 01:19 PMHow about we get a guy in the drivers seat and jerk the wheel.You know what usually happens when someone jerks the wheel, right? You wreck.
Even if this weren't a fantastically stupid analogy, the problem I see with Trump is his inability to get along with pretty much anyone. The presidency isn't a dictatorship and executive orders only go so far, and I don't see Trump being able to negotiate with Democrats (or even within his own party) to get a damn thing passed through congress.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/14/2016, 11:15 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/14/2016, 11:15 AM
Plus, lest we forget: he doesn't know shit about shit. He's nothing but hot air and bluster.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/14/2016, 12:13 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/14/2016, 12:13 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/14/2016, 11:11 AMSpot on. Hence the reason why none of these mainstream candidates are willing to do any kind of monetary reform. Sure Ted Cruz flirted with the idea going back to the gold standard, but do we as a country want to go backwards?Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/13/2016, 01:19 PMIf you wana argue DEBT, well, you need to only look at the past 8 years under Obama.I'm no fan of Obama, but much of that debt would've accrued no matter who was president. At least half of it is a direct result of declining tax receipts and funding two joke wars.
Ahem..
Since President Obama took office, the national debt has increased by $8.4 trillion. On January 20, 2009, it stood at $10.6 trillion; on Monday, it was at $19.111 trillion.
*cough* Meet the third party:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gary-johnson-2016_us_56e1df47e4b0860f99d85380 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gary-johnson-2016_us_56e1df47e4b0860f99d85380)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: FiftyQuid on 03/14/2016, 04:08 PM
Post by: FiftyQuid on 03/14/2016, 04:08 PM
This goes back a few pages to the discussion on moving to Canada, but I thought it was worthy of posting. BTW, plenty of Turbob up in Canada! I'm just sayin'! :)
http://cbiftrumpwins.com/ (http://cbiftrumpwins.com/)
http://cbiftrumpwins.com/ (http://cbiftrumpwins.com/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bernie on 03/14/2016, 04:22 PM
Post by: Bernie on 03/14/2016, 04:22 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 03/13/2016, 09:39 PMNothing else brings out the fangs quite like politics, religion, and video games.My thoughts exactly. In my group convo on FB, we have several opinions, but nothing ever resorts to trashing each other. Me being a Trump and Bernie supporter, a few others leaning one way or another. But whatever, call each other retarded and morons and whatever else.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/14/2016, 05:45 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/14/2016, 05:45 PM
Quote from: Bernie on 03/14/2016, 04:22 PMI think at the end of the day if you can look past it and OBEY together, it doesn't really matter what happens inQuote from: The Old Rover on 03/13/2016, 09:39 PMNothing else brings out the fangs quite like politics, religion, and video games.My thoughts exactly. In my group convo on FB, we have several opinions, but nothing ever resorts to trashing each other. Me being a Trump and Bernie supporter, a few others leaning one way or another. But whatever, call each other retarded and morons and whatever else.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/14/2016, 08:14 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/14/2016, 08:14 PM
I actually thought this thread would really go down drain but I have to say it stayed pretty reserved. This alone shows that even if our opinions differ nobody went to full on douche status. Of course Evo took some shit but that's pretty much an expectation.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/14/2016, 08:20 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/14/2016, 08:20 PM
I think it's because in our hearts, even if he's not our #1, we all respect Donald Trump to some degree. Running for president isn't easy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/14/2016, 09:08 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/14/2016, 09:08 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/14/2016, 08:20 PMI think it's because in our hearts, even if he's not our #1, we all respect Donald Trump to some degree.Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh............
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/15/2016, 04:01 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/15/2016, 04:01 PM
Honestly, I can give a little respect to anyone with enough guts to stand up to a corrupt media darling like Shillary... but that doesn't mean I think that they would be a viable alternative.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 08:28 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 08:28 PM
Just watching Rubio's speech live saying he is out the race.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/15/2016, 09:37 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/15/2016, 09:37 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 08:28 PMJust watching Rubio's speech live saying he is out the race.He's been out for a long time.
It just took some time for him to accept it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 09:52 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 09:52 PM
Waiting for Trump's live speech, apparently about to happen.
Crazy the amount of coverage it's getting (US president race) on the BBC compared to when I started this thread.
Just watching this http://youtu.be/mz7LA64hP-E
Crazy the amount of coverage it's getting (US president race) on the BBC compared to when I started this thread.
Just watching this http://youtu.be/mz7LA64hP-E
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bernie on 03/16/2016, 08:02 AM
Post by: Bernie on 03/16/2016, 08:02 AM
Yeah he was caught off guard, as would anyone in that position had it happened to them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/16/2016, 09:56 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/16/2016, 09:56 AM
Quote from: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 09:52 PMWaiting for Trump's live speech, apparently about to happen.Yeah, I actually watched that speech last night, along with Kasich's.
Crazy the amount of coverage it's getting (US president race) on the BBC compared to when I started this thread.
After watching it, I can get why some people like him. He comes off as affable and humorous. He says a lot of things that sound good and get people fired up. But the thing is, he doesn't really say anything. He does a lot of "we don't win anymore" or "we make bad deals" stuff. He randomly, in the middle of nothing and nowhere, said, "There's 2.5 trillion outside of this country. And we're gonna bring it back." What does that mean, Donald? WTF does that mean? Where is there 2.5 trillion and how are we gonna bring it back? And his answer would probably be a meandering pile of gibberish that ends with, "We're gonna make a good deal."
Again, I get why he appeals to some people. His speech was entertaining. But he's completely full of shit, and it's alarming how easy that is to see and how many people he's suckered.
Watching Kasich, all I could think was, "Why the hell isn't this guy the nominee? Hell, I would even consider voting for him!"
As it is, I'm not excited about any of the candidates. Voting in November is going to be difficult for me. But this carnival barker will definitely not get my vote.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/16/2016, 12:55 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 03/16/2016, 12:55 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/16/2016, 09:56 AMI am not a huge Kasich fan and I even voted for him as governor. He was the lesser of two evils which is what these elections all come down to it seems. He does have a history of pushing more liberal policies and working with both parties. Liberals will hate that he just defunded planned parenthood in this state. I do not like his stance on education. Common core is ridiculous.Quote from: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 09:52 PMWaiting for Trump's live speech, apparently about to happen.Yeah, I actually watched that speech last night, along with Kasich's.
Crazy the amount of coverage it's getting (US president race) on the BBC compared to when I started this thread.
After watching it, I can get why some people like him. He comes off as affable and humorous. He says a lot of things that sound good and get people fired up. But the thing is, he doesn't really say anything. He does a lot of "we don't win anymore" or "we make bad deals" stuff. He randomly, in the middle of nothing and nowhere, said, "There's 2.5 trillion outside of this country. And we're gonna bring it back." What does that mean, Donald? WTF does that mean? Where is there 2.5 trillion and how are we gonna bring it back? And his answer would probably be a meandering pile of gibberish that ends with, "We're gonna make a good deal."
Again, I get why he appeals to some people. His speech was entertaining. But he's completely full of shit, and it's alarming how easy that is to see and how many people he's suckered.
Watching Kasich, all I could think was, "Why the hell isn't this guy the nominee? Hell, I would even consider voting for him!"
As it is, I'm not excited about any of the candidates. Voting in November is going to be difficult for me. But this carnival barker will definitely not get my vote.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/17/2016, 04:33 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/17/2016, 04:33 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/16/2016, 09:56 AMYou basically described every politician ever. Lots of talk and platitudes but almost zero substance. Obama did the same, made all these promises, and got almost none of them accomplished. Government is flawed by design, it prevents a dictatorship. But if trump gets in hell have a republican congress to help him with spending cuts and other measures until the Dems get back in. Happens every time a party changes the house then senate reacts to balance the power.Quote from: Otaking on 03/15/2016, 09:52 PMWaiting for Trump's live speech, apparently about to happen.Yeah, I actually watched that speech last night, along with Kasich's.
Crazy the amount of coverage it's getting (US president race) on the BBC compared to when I started this thread.
After watching it, I can get why some people like him. He comes off as affable and humorous. He says a lot of things that sound good and get people fired up. But the thing is, he doesn't really say anything. He does a lot of "we don't win anymore" or "we make bad deals" stuff. He randomly, in the middle of nothing and nowhere, said, "There's 2.5 trillion outside of this country. And we're gonna bring it back." What does that mean, Donald? WTF does that mean? Where is there 2.5 trillion and how are we gonna bring it back? And his answer would probably be a meandering pile of gibberish that ends with, "We're gonna make a good deal."
Again, I get why he appeals to some people. His speech was entertaining. But he's completely full of shit, and it's alarming how easy that is to see and how many people he's suckered.
Watching Kasich, all I could think was, "Why the hell isn't this guy the nominee? Hell, I would even consider voting for him!"
As it is, I'm not excited about any of the candidates. Voting in November is going to be difficult for me. But this carnival barker will definitely not get my vote.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/17/2016, 05:46 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/17/2016, 05:46 PM
What "spending cuts"? There might be tax breaks for the rich but I honestly doubt there will be spending cuts. Hilariously, if you look at the last 5 presidents, the two dems cut did way more to lower the deficit than the 3 reps.
I sure do wish the conservative party was more fiscally conservative. It'd make my choices on who to vote for a hell of a lot easier.
I sure do wish the conservative party was more fiscally conservative. It'd make my choices on who to vote for a hell of a lot easier.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/17/2016, 06:18 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/17/2016, 06:18 PM
It's technically true that the deficit lowered steadily under Obama, but that's due to a recovering economy and a stupid high deficit his first year in office. Even now at it's lowest in eight years, it's still no better than any year of Bush's presidency.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/17/2016, 06:52 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/17/2016, 06:52 PM
Quote from: Desh on 03/14/2016, 08:14 PMI actually thought this thread would really go down drain but I have to say it stayed pretty reserved. This alone shows that even if our opinions differ nobody went to full on douche status. Of course Evo took some shit but that's pretty much an expectation.I concur and wonder how Godwin's Law wasn't yet violated, but the thread is still young with November a long way out. ;)
I commented on Mike Tyson's endorsement on Facebook and I attracted a crazed anti-Trump troll whose libel can pretty much be reduced to Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Racist Racist Racist Racist Racist Racist Racist Racist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Fascist Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK KKK...
This is their magic bullet or so they feel, if that can just be repeated enough times it might help push the next democrat over the finish line...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/17/2016, 07:24 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/17/2016, 07:24 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/17/2016, 06:18 PMIt's technically true that the deficit lowered steadily under Obama, but that's due to a recovering economy and a stupid high deficit his first year in office. Even now at it's lowest in eight years, it's still no better than any year of Bush's presidency.Yeah, I really don't understand much about cause/effect in the economy. I should probably pay more attention to such stuffs.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 03/18/2016, 12:56 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 03/18/2016, 12:56 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/12/2016, 12:44 PMOh right, I did have questions about this post. Were you attacking people in this thread that posted a meme, cause I counted about ~4 at that point ? Not sure how ~4 of them somehow interfered with you and NecroPhile exchanging further info, much less "at every opportunity," if that's what you wanted to do. Does that go for any videos posted as well ? And finally, by the use of "parrot," you seem to suggest anybody that posts a meme is not sincere about its message, doesn't have enough background understanding to be doing so, it's "monkey see, monkey do," etc. is that right ?Quote from: guest on 03/03/2016, 09:39 AMI need more people like NecroPhile and less political meme parrots dumbing down any legitimate question about US politicians at every opportunity. It really looks like Trump isn't fit for president the more I look into it.Quote from: guest on 03/02/2016, 08:38 PMI really cannot see what's wrong with reinforcing immigration policies, and I still haven't heard any convincing argument against it. He's not going to make a concentration camp for mexicans, guys.Mostly because of cost and it not being necessary. To fulfill the shit he's claimed he'd do (export 11 million illegals, build a giant wall, secure the border, etc.) it's estimated it'd cost $1 trillion to start and with ongoing annual costs of $100 billion plus. That's on top of what's already being spent on border security and doesn't include the economic costs of losing so many laborers.
I'd rather see such money and effort spent on roads or schools than on something that's not really a problem in the first place.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wildfruit on 03/18/2016, 02:00 AM
Post by: wildfruit on 03/18/2016, 02:00 AM
Doesn't really matter who wins. The underlying status quo perpetuates.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/18/2016, 07:43 AM
Post by: esteban on 03/18/2016, 07:43 AM
Quote from: wildfruit on 03/18/2016, 02:00 AMDoesn't really matter who wins. The underlying status quo perpetuates.Absolutely true.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/18/2016, 09:42 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/18/2016, 09:42 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/17/2016, 04:33 PMYou basically described every politician ever. Lots of talk and platitudes but almost zero substance. Obama did the same, made all these promises, and got almost none of them accomplished.Evil, I already posted this in this thread, but the following video is what I'm talking about with Trump:
https://youtu.be/htdfSFlSus4
Like I've also already said: he doesn't know shit about shit. Nothing but hot air.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/18/2016, 09:53 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/18/2016, 09:53 AM
Quote from: esteban on 03/18/2016, 07:43 AMStill going to have the Federal Reserve and still will continue to accumulate debt that our kids and their kids will have to deal with.Quote from: wildfruit on 03/18/2016, 02:00 AMDoesn't really matter who wins. The underlying status quo perpetuates.Absolutely true.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 03/17/2016, 05:46 PMWhat "spending cuts"? There might be tax breaks for the rich but I honestly doubt there will be spending cuts. Hilariously, if you look at the last 5 presidents, the two dems cut did way more to lower the deficit than the 3 reps.I can't help but notice that the National Debt doubled under the last and sitting Dem. I littler more than a Trillion a year spent and promised to and by US Tax payers. We pay the Debt + Interest. The issue is spending and entitlements of course.
I sure do wish the conservative party was more fiscally conservative. It'd make my choices on who to vote for a hell of a lot easier.
Deficit? What Trump SAYS he will do is flip trade, so we don't lose 500 Billion a year but gain it. Who knows what he'll do but that's his MO. I agree otherwise that we don't have enough fiscal conservatives.
Quote from: guest on 03/18/2016, 09:42 AMI've watched the Video, my response is the same. You are gaining zero ground on a Conservative or Democrat knowing more or less than the average Joe.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/17/2016, 04:33 PMYou basically described every politician ever. Lots of talk and platitudes but almost zero substance. Obama did the same, made all these promises, and got almost none of them accomplished.Evil, I already posted this in this thread, but the following video is what I'm talking about with Trump:
http://youtu.be/htdfSFlSus4
Like I've also already said: he doesn't know shit about shit. Nothing but hot air.
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/18/2016, 09:53 AMThis isn't as big of an issue as you think if you take a radical approach. These an old adage that states.Quote from: esteban on 03/18/2016, 07:43 AMStill going to have the Federal Reserve and still will continue to accumulate debt that our kids and their kids will have to deal with.Quote from: wildfruit on 03/18/2016, 02:00 AMDoesn't really matter who wins. The underlying status quo perpetuates.Absolutely true.
"If you owe a bank $19,000, you have a problem....
If you owe a bank 19 Billion, the bank has a problem
The Federal Reserve, for those that don't know, is about as Federal as Federal Express. They are a private bank that literally prints money and loans it to us. Smoke and Mirrors. Let's say we don't pay it back? Then what? Our Dollar collapses, but so does all the debt we owe to China and the like. They collapse as well because we no longer can afford their rubber dog shit to ship on over. Everything collapses. Governments get together and unanimously agree to a "Do-Over", the cycle continues.
It's all smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/18/2016, 01:33 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/18/2016, 01:33 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMI can't help but notice that the National Debt doubled under the last and sitting Dem.Reagan nearly tripled it, George HW Bush was half way to double and would've easily hit it if he'd had eight years, and George W Bush doubled it too, but I guess they get a pass because they're not dirty Democrats.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMThe Federal Reserve, for those that don't know, is about as Federal as Federal Express.I didn't know Federal Express was created by congress, has its management appointed by the President, and regulates other shipping companies. :roll:
Much like the USPS, it's not funded by congressional budget or directly controlled by anyone but it's still a part of the federal government.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sarumaru on 03/18/2016, 02:24 PM
Post by: Sarumaru on 03/18/2016, 02:24 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/18/2016, 01:33 PMEvery president since 1776 has increased the Debt to 10 billion. Obama doubled it in 8 years. Comment?Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMI can't help but notice that the National Debt doubled under the last and sitting Dem.Reagan nearly tripled it, George HW Bush was half way to double and would've easily hit it if he'd had eight years, and George W Bush doubled it too, but I guess they get a pass because they're not dirty Democrats.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMThe Federal Reserve, for those that don't know, is about as Federal as Federal Express.I didn't know Federal Express was created by congress, has its management appointed by the President, and regulates other shipping companies. :roll:
Much like the USPS, it's not funded by congressional budget or directly controlled by anyone but it's still a part of the federal government.
Federal reserve?
"The Federal Reserve System considers itself "an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.".
The evidence is out there buddy. I bet we want the same thing politically. Fiscal conservatism, a reversal of trade deficits, ending of massive entitlements, and keeping the government out of people's personal business.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wildfruit on 03/18/2016, 05:45 PM
Post by: wildfruit on 03/18/2016, 05:45 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PMQuote from: guest on 03/18/2016, 01:33 PMFiscal conservatism won't help anything, the money doesn't exist in the first place.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMI can't help but notice that the National Debt doubled under the last and sitting Dem.The evidence is out there buddy. I bet we want the same thing politically. Fiscal conservatism, a reversal of trade deficits, ending of massive entitlements, and keeping the government out of people's personal business.
Anyway if a tax is stopped being collected centrally then inevitably it will be collected locally, or the service it provides disappears.
I will give you an example from here: The Lord Chancellor of Parliament decrees that central government will fund councils, police and fire brigade less. So, local council puts up local tax to pay for itself, police and fire brigade.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/18/2016, 07:13 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/18/2016, 07:13 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PMEvery president since 1776 has increased the Debt to 10It sucks. I've never claimed otherwise, though, so what's your point?billiontrillion. Obama doubled it in 8 years. Comment?
Reagan nearly tripled the debt from $1t to $2.86t and GWB doubled it from $5.8t to $11.6t, so Obama is hardly the worst offender. Not that two wrongs make a right, of course, but try taking off the blinders some time and stop blaming everything on the Democrats and thinking the Republicans will be our saviors.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PMFederal reserve?Isn't that what I just said? Just because it operates somewhat independently doesn't mean it's not a part of the government.
"The Federal Reserve System considers itself "an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.".
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PMThe evidence is out there buddy.Tinfoil hat time?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/18/2016, 07:19 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/18/2016, 07:19 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMEvery president since 1776 has increased the Debt to 10 billion. Obama doubled it in 8 years. Comment?First off, it's trillions of dollars, not billions. Second, that statement seems either misinformed or a bit disingenuous to say the least. For the moment ignoring the fact that Obama didn't double the debt, it doesn't take a linear amount of money to run the country. Benjamin Franklin once bought 3 muffins for a penny; pennies are such small value today that there are serious talks of getting rid of them as currency altogether. It seems to me that there's little point in comparing what was spent in the 1700s to what is spent today by specifically Obama.
It's less about the numeric value of money spent as it is about the trend of geometric growth. Obama took office with a $11T debt. He now has a $16T debt with 9 months to go so unless he spends $5 trillion this year we're less than half. W took office with $4.7T to bring it up to $11T. He more than doubled the national debt. Clinton took office with $3.3T, adding only a bit over a third over 8 years. First bush was 54% in one term and Reagen went up by a whopping 186%.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/18/2016, 07:54 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/18/2016, 07:54 PM
The Obama debt growing argument makes little sense, because a substantial contributor to Obama's debt was an inherited shit show in the middle east.
I am not an Obama supporter. I will never forgive Obama for being too weak to pass a true universal health solution when his party had a majority in both houses, now that is his most embarrassing failure... not increasing debt.
I am not an Obama supporter. I will never forgive Obama for being too weak to pass a true universal health solution when his party had a majority in both houses, now that is his most embarrassing failure... not increasing debt.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/18/2016, 09:01 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/18/2016, 09:01 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/18/2016, 08:41 PMI always say that if George W Bush was in the same position as Obama and wanted universal health care, we would have it right now.Quote from: TheClash603 on 03/18/2016, 07:54 PMThe Obama debt growing argument makes little sense, because a substantial contributor to Obama's debt was an inherited shit show in the middle east.I say this all the time. His biggest weakness was compromising too much in the name of bipartisanship... And the most common criticism is that he was too partisan. Shit might be different today if he had gone through his term ready willing and able to use his "fuck you I do what I want".
I am not an Obama supporter. I will never forgive Obama for being too weak to pass a true universal health solution when his party had a majority in both houses, now that is his most embarrassing failure... not increasing debt.
Although I don't like many of the decisions GW made, I sure do admire his ability to get things done.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/18/2016, 10:30 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/18/2016, 10:30 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 03/18/2016, 09:01 PMEven if it involved getting us tangled up in a war that we shouldn't have had to begin with. Now we have a whole generation of middle eastern folk hating us even more than if we had left things well alone. Awesome.Quote from: guest on 03/18/2016, 08:41 PMI always say that if George W Bush was in the same position as Obama and wanted universal health care, we would have it right now.Quote from: TheClash603 on 03/18/2016, 07:54 PMThe Obama debt growing argument makes little sense, because a substantial contributor to Obama's debt was an inherited shit show in the middle east.I say this all the time. His biggest weakness was compromising too much in the name of bipartisanship... And the most common criticism is that he was too partisan. Shit might be different today if he had gone through his term ready willing and able to use his "fuck you I do what I want".
I am not an Obama supporter. I will never forgive Obama for being too weak to pass a true universal health solution when his party had a majority in both houses, now that is his most embarrassing failure... not increasing debt.
Although I don't like many of the decisions GW made, I sure do admire his ability to get things done.
Quote from: seieienbu on 03/18/2016, 07:19 PMLast time I checked Bill Clinton created surpluses and everyone was happy. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/ (http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/)Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMEvery president since 1776 has increased the Debt to 10 billion. Obama doubled it in 8 years. Comment?First off, it's trillions of dollars, not billions. Second, that statement seems either misinformed or a bit disingenuous to say the least. For the moment ignoring the fact that Obama didn't double the debt, it doesn't take a linear amount of money to run the country. Benjamin Franklin once bought 3 muffins for a penny; pennies are such small value today that there are serious talks of getting rid of them as currency altogether. It seems to me that there's little point in comparing what was spent in the 1700s to what is spent today by specifically Obama.
It's less about the numeric value of money spent as it is about the trend of geometric growth. Obama took office with a $11T debt. He now has a $16T debt with 9 months to go so unless he spends $5 trillion this year we're less than half. W took office with $4.7T to bring it up to $11T. He more than doubled the national debt. Clinton took office with $3.3T, adding only a bit over a third over 8 years. First bush was 54% in one term and Reagen went up by a whopping 186%.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/19/2016, 04:14 AM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/19/2016, 04:14 AM
As I understood it, there was to be a surplus over the coming years but then everything went to hell so the biggest problem of the 2000 election, "How are we going to spend all this damn money!?" went away without warning under Bush Jr. Clinton wasn't running a surplus for the duration of his presidency so while there was no deficit spending for a year or two there was still an increase in the overall debt up until then.
Your link seems to agree with my recollection of things from highschool but maybe I'm reading it wrong.
Your link seems to agree with my recollection of things from highschool but maybe I'm reading it wrong.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:28 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:28 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/18/2016, 07:13 PMThanks for correcting my Billion/Trillion typo. Obama is the worst offender as he added 9+ Trillion. Unless you adjust for inflation I guess. Reagan spent money on the Military to escalate the cold war until it destroyed the Soviet Union Financially. Bush as we know spent a ton of Money on a war. I'm not saying it's right, I am saying it is. The Republicans are far less worse than Democrats, they do want to cut spending and I think today's far right extremists really want to reduce the roll of the Government. Hilary Clinton just stated that she would provide Obama Care to Illegal (Undocumented) immigrants. The other side wants them gone. Bernie, according to his posted Tax plan, would increase my taxes by TEN FUCKING PERCENT Federally. What choice do I have?Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PMEvery president since 1776 has increased the Debt to 10It sucks. I've never claimed otherwise, though, so what's your point?billiontrillion. Obama doubled it in 8 years. Comment?
Reagan nearly tripled the debt from $1t to $2.86t and GWB doubled it from $5.8t to $11.6t, so Obama is hardly the worst offender. Not that two wrongs make a right, of course, but try taking off the blinders some time and stop blaming everything on the Democrats and thinking the Republicans will be our saviors.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PMFederal reserve?Isn't that what I just said? Just because it operates somewhat independently doesn't mean it's not a part of the government.
"The Federal Reserve System considers itself "an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.".Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 05:39 PMThe evidence is out there buddy.Tinfoil hat time?
Federal Reserve controls the borrowing rate of money on it's own, It control's the monetary policy on it's own. Extremely powerful and basically autonomous. That was my point.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:32 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:32 AM
Quote from: seieienbu on 03/18/2016, 07:19 PMAlready corrected the Trillion/Billion Debacle. When Mr. Obama took over in January 2009, the total national debt stood at $10.6 trillion. That means the debt will have very nearly doubled during his eight years in office, and there is much more debt ahead with the abandonment of "sequestration" spending caps enacted in 2011. He has spent more than every other President combined. When he leaves office in January 2017, it'll be over 20 TRILLION Dollars. He is spending money we don't have. How about we spend the money we take in and not borrow it?Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/18/2016, 12:38 PMEvery president since 1776 has increased the Debt to 10 billion. Obama doubled it in 8 years. Comment?First off, it's trillions of dollars, not billions. Second, that statement seems either misinformed or a bit disingenuous to say the least. For the moment ignoring the fact that Obama didn't double the debt, it doesn't take a linear amount of money to run the country. Benjamin Franklin once bought 3 muffins for a penny; pennies are such small value today that there are serious talks of getting rid of them as currency altogether. It seems to me that there's little point in comparing what was spent in the 1700s to what is spent today by specifically Obama.
It's less about the numeric value of money spent as it is about the trend of geometric growth. Obama took office with a $11T debt. He now has a $16T debt with 9 months to go so unless he spends $5 trillion this year we're less than half. W took office with $4.7T to bring it up to $11T. He more than doubled the national debt. Clinton took office with $3.3T, adding only a bit over a third over 8 years. First bush was 54% in one term and Reagen went up by a whopping 186%.
Oh and by the way it's "Regan" not "Reagan" :dance:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:41 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:41 AM
Quote from: seieienbu on 03/19/2016, 04:14 AMAs I understood it, there was to be a surplus over the coming years but then everything went to hell so the biggest problem of the 2000 election, "How are we going to spend all this damn money!?" went away without warning under Bush Jr. Clinton wasn't running a surplus for the duration of his presidency so while there was no deficit spending for a year or two there was still an increase in the overall debt up until then.All Clinton did was raise taxes during our nations greatest period of Economic growth. This was the advent of home computing and the internet and the .com Boom.
Your link seems to agree with my recollection of things from highschool but maybe I'm reading it wrong.
During the second half of the 1990s, the United States experienced the continu-
ation of one of the longest economic expansio
ns. The distinguishing characteristics
of this period can be summarized as follows.
1. High growth rates of output, employment, investment and wages.
2. High growth rates of labor productivity.
3. A stock market boom.
4. A financing boom for new and expanding firms.
5. A sense of moving towards a "New Economy"
This of course was the free market creating a new economy and then the Government reigning in the profits.
These were the returns of the Stock Market during the 90's. A lot of this was also the Housing Boom as well which ultimately turned out to be a bubble.
1990 -3.2%
1991 30.5%
1992 7.7%
1993 10.0%
1994 1.3%
1995 37.4%
1996 23.1%
1997 33.4%
1998 28.6%
1999 21.0%
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/19/2016, 05:00 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 03/19/2016, 05:00 PM
First a post that the current president is spending too much, without taking into context what he inherited. Next a post about how a former democratic president inherited a good situation and that's why he was more fiscally responsible. You should've at least tried to space them out to avoid the irony and making your bias so obvious...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 05:18 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 05:18 PM
Explain how he inherited a situation where he must double the national debt? Did you not understand that both sides are terrible and we are left with two extreme polar opposites? Government is the issue, the past president spent more money than all other presidents combined. Spending money we don't have is the issue. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/19/2016, 05:59 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/19/2016, 05:59 PM
Isn't triple posting a banworthy offense?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/19/2016, 09:11 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/19/2016, 09:11 PM
What I find amusing is how people will complain about spending... but have no idea what it actually involves or how it does or does not impact their own lives. The "spending" whine is a manipulation tactic used by one side or the other to keep your party loyalty strong. By painting the "other guy" as the enemy, they keep you in line like the good little sheep you are.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/20/2016, 11:31 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/20/2016, 11:31 AM
http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz (http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz)
One of the most comprehensive non partisan quizzes I have ever took. It said I sided with Gary Johnson and number 2 is Sanders. Hmmm...
One of the most comprehensive non partisan quizzes I have ever took. It said I sided with Gary Johnson and number 2 is Sanders. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wildfruit on 03/20/2016, 12:08 PM
Post by: wildfruit on 03/20/2016, 12:08 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/20/2016, 11:31 AMhttp://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz (http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz)I have no idea who these people are or what this I about but apparently I am Bernie sanders
One of the most comprehensive non partisan quizzes I have ever took. It said I sided with Gary Johnson and number 2 is Sanders. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/20/2016, 03:18 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/20/2016, 03:18 PM
Quote from: wildfruit on 03/20/2016, 12:08 PMYeah the results matched me to Bernie Sanders too.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 03/20/2016, 11:31 AMhttp://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz (http://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz)I have no idea who these people are or what this I about but apparently I am Bernie sanders
One of the most comprehensive non partisan quizzes I have ever took. It said I sided with Gary Johnson and number 2 is Sanders. Hmmm...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/20/2016, 07:33 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/20/2016, 07:33 PM
Unsurprisingly, it matched me to Sanders (91%), with Stein as a secondary (90%).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/21/2016, 09:42 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/21/2016, 09:42 AM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/19/2016, 09:11 PMWhat I find amusing is how people will complain about spending... but have no idea what it actually involves or how it does or does not impact their own lives. The "spending" whine is a manipulation tactic used by one side or the other to keep your party loyalty strong. By painting the "other guy" as the enemy, they keep you in line like the good little sheep you are.BOOM. Exactly what I was thinking.
"But think about the children!!!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/21/2016, 11:42 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/21/2016, 11:42 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:28 AMThe Republicans are far less worse than Democrats, they do want to cut spending...Over the last five presidents, that's been patently false. Are you confusing deficit for spending? Obama increased the deficit, sure, but his annual spending has been relatively stable at $3t per year after a first year jump of 17%; conversely, Reagan increased annual spending by 80% over his eight years, George HW Bush increased it by 31% over his four years, Clinton increased it by 29% over his eight years, and George W Bush increased it by 72% over his eight years. Obviously none of them decreased spending overall, but Obama has actually been the most responsible in terms of slowing the annual increases.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:32 AMHe has spent more than every other President combined. When he leaves office in January 2017, it'll be over 20 TRILLION Dollars.Again, deficit is not the same thing as spending. Including 2016's expenditures, he'll have spent just under half of all past budgets combined, which is still a scary statistic; it's not a very useful statistic, though, not without adjusting for inflation. Even so, George W Bush was far worse at 61%.
Quote from: guest on 03/19/2016, 05:59 PMIsn't triple posting a banworthy offense?Yep. Consider this your final warning, evo. Learn to use the enter key or enjoy a vacation.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/21/2016, 11:47 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/21/2016, 11:47 AM
I love facts.
EDIT: Speaking of facts, here's a bit about that wall he's gonna build.
http://youtu.be/vU8dCYocuyI
Oh, in before "Partisan leftist hack". Ignore the satire/sarcasm, I guess, and listen to the message.
EDIT: Speaking of facts, here's a bit about that wall he's gonna build.
http://youtu.be/vU8dCYocuyI
Oh, in before "Partisan leftist hack". Ignore the satire/sarcasm, I guess, and listen to the message.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/21/2016, 05:42 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/21/2016, 05:42 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/21/2016, 11:42 AMWhat was the Debt when Obama took office in January 09? What will it be when he leaves office January 2017? Trouble with numbers is they kinda count stuff, and when they double well, that's also easy to count out. How much of Obama's spending is deficit spending or unfunded? Have you even looked at the massive increase of entitlements at the expense of the middle class?Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:28 AMThe Republicans are far less worse than Democrats, they do want to cut spending...Over the last five presidents, that's been patently false. Are you confusing deficit for spending? Obama increased the deficit, sure, but his annual spending has been relatively stable at $3t per year after a first year jump of 17%; conversely, Reagan increased annual spending by 80% over his eight years, George HW Bush increased it by 31% over his four years, Clinton increased it by 29% over his eight years, and George W Bush increased it by 72% over his eight years. Obviously none of them decreased spending overall, but Obama has actually been the most responsible in terms of slowing the annual increases.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/19/2016, 11:32 AMHe has spent more than every other President combined. When he leaves office in January 2017, it'll be over 20 TRILLION Dollars.Again, deficit is not the same thing as spending. Including 2016's expenditures, he'll have spent just under half of all past budgets combined, which is still a scary statistic; it's not a very useful statistic, though, not without adjusting for inflation. Even so, George W Bush was far worse at 61%.Quote from: guest on 03/19/2016, 05:59 PMIsn't triple posting a banworthy offense?Yep. Consider this your final warning, evo. Learn to use the enter key or enjoy a vacation.
You keep saying that going from a national debt of 10 trillion to 20 trillion in 8 years is a useless stat. To that I'd say the thing between your ears is useless if you believe that.
The state of Washington today and what it has to offer is the reason why Trump is so popular. It's no mystery people are sick of the shit.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/21/2016, 06:38 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/21/2016, 06:38 PM
...and... the poster directly above me is a prime example of what I said earlier about sheep towing the party line.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/21/2016, 07:41 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/21/2016, 07:41 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/21/2016, 06:38 PM...and... the poster directly above me is a prime example of what I said earlier about sheep towing the party line.When fiscally conservative posters can't get through to this numbnut, you know there's a major malfunction.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/21/2016, 07:50 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/21/2016, 07:50 PM
Just keep ignoring the massive spending problem and growing debt I guess. Fwiw trump is hardly a Republican, he's a populist and in some ways an ultra nationalist. He's simply hijacked the GOP as third party candidates have zero chance in our system. So your choice is s hell bent ego maniac who undresses politicians one by one (as they are deserved) a person who wishes to increase my taxes 10% annually, or a lying, flip flopping politician who will say anything to get elected, even offering benefits to illegal aliens.
None of you gave a better idea, this is the best we can do.
What do you choose?
None of you gave a better idea, this is the best we can do.
What do you choose?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/21/2016, 09:50 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/21/2016, 09:50 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/21/2016, 07:50 PMJust keep ignoring the massive spending problem and growing debt I guess. Fwiw trump is hardly a Republican, he's a populist and in some ways an ultra nationalist. He's simply hijacked the GOP as third party candidates have zero chance in our system. So your choice is s hell bent ego maniac who undresses politicians one by one (as they are deserved) a person who wishes to increase my taxes 10% annually, or a lying, flip flopping politician who will say anything to get elected, even offering benefits to illegal aliens.I choose to vote with my conscience and not the status quo... Trouble is I'm having a tough time choosing a option. Gary Johnson sounds alright, but my problem lies in with what he will do with all those government jobs he wants to lay off. Not only that, any third party option has a uphill battle getting into the debates, let alone all 50 ballots. I'm going to wait and see what happens. One thing is for certain, Drumpf and Sanders do not have my vote let alone Billary.
None of you gave a better idea, this is the best we can do.
What do you choose?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2016, 10:04 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2016, 10:04 AM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/21/2016, 06:38 PM...and... the poster directly above me is a prime example of what I said earlier about sheep towing the party line.Yep. He's fixated on one single statistic as 'proof' that Obama sucks, yet totally blind to the exact same type of shit being pulled by his own party.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/22/2016, 02:55 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/22/2016, 02:55 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/22/2016, 10:04 AMAnd you are blind to the fact that I've said that the Republicans are less worse than the democrats but certainly not the end all be all. I've also pointed out that the rise of Trump and Sanders, two opposite extremes, are a direct response to what the system keeps shoving down the countries throat. Who do you vote for? More of the same or an extremist? Can you pull the lever for Hilary?Quote from: OldRover on 03/21/2016, 06:38 PM...and... the poster directly above me is a prime example of what I said earlier about sheep towing the party line.Yep. He's fixated on one single statistic as 'proof' that Obama sucks, yet totally blind to the exact same type of shit being pulled by his own party.
Keep ignoring that 10 Trillion dollar debt expansion in 8-years, everyone else does.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2016, 03:11 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2016, 03:11 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/22/2016, 02:55 PMAnd you are blind to the fact that I've said that the Republicans are less worse than the democrats but certainly not the end all be all.Perhaps, but you've also said that Republicans want smaller government, less spending, less deficit, etc. Maybe it's what Trump wants (it's hard telling what that blowhard flip-flopper really wants), but it certainly isn't what the established Republican party has worked for or the outcome of the last three Republican presidencies.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/22/2016, 02:55 PMI've also pointed out that the rise of Trump and Sanders, two opposite extremes, are a direct response to what the system keeps shoving down the countries throat. Who do you vote for? More of the same or an extremist? Can you pull the lever for Hilary?I don't care who you vote for, just do it for the right reasons and not some made up bull that you don't even comprehend.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 03/22/2016, 02:55 PMKeep ignoring that 10 Trillion dollar debt expansion in 8-years, everyone else does.I've said repeatedly that the debt he added sucks. Why can't you get that through your thick skull?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/22/2016, 03:15 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/22/2016, 03:15 PM
If I pulled the lever for Hillary, it'd be the lever of a crane about to drop a large bag of blood on her head... the blood of all the innocents who have died because of her BS. She's a Republican in a Democrat's clothes. If our choices are Clinton or Trump, I'd rather not vote at all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2016, 03:19 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2016, 03:19 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/22/2016, 03:15 PMIf our choices are Clinton or Trump, I'd rather not vote at all.Do a write in vote!
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/22/2016, 03:31 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/22/2016, 03:31 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/22/2016, 03:15 PMIf I pulled the lever for Hillary, it'd be the lever of a crane about to drop a large bag of blood on her head... the blood of all the innocents who have died because of her BS. She's a Republican in a Democrat's clothes. If our choices are Clinton or Trump, I'd rather not vote at all.Third party! They don't have to have a chance at actually winning to make a difference.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/22/2016, 04:28 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/22/2016, 04:28 PM
Ditto: Bonk for President!
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/22/2016, 05:51 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/22/2016, 05:51 PM
esteban for president.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/22/2016, 06:41 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 03/22/2016, 06:41 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/22/2016, 05:51 PMesteban for president.Boink esteban!
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/23/2016, 12:32 AM
Post by: esteban on 03/23/2016, 12:32 AM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/23/2016, 10:54 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/23/2016, 10:54 AM
This is one hell of an article entitled Why Trump?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-donald-trump/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-donald-trump/)
Good read regardless where you stand.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-donald-trump/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-donald-trump/)
Good read regardless where you stand.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/23/2016, 12:59 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/23/2016, 12:59 PM
That's a great article. My favorite part:
QuoteA 2000 study by political scientists found that Americans who have incorrect information about public discourse can be divided into two different groups — the misinformed and the uninformed. The uninformed simply don't know about a given topic; the misinformed are interested in what's going on, but their sources of information are flawed. Another study, in 2010, found that when the misinformed were told about their inaccuracies, they held onto their beliefs with all the more conviction.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/23/2016, 02:26 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/23/2016, 02:26 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/23/2016, 12:59 PMThat's a great article. My favorite part:You beat me to it. :PQuoteA 2000 study by political scientists found that Americans who have incorrect information about public discourse can be divided into two different groups — the misinformed and the uninformed. The uninformed simply don't know about a given topic; the misinformed are interested in what's going on, but their sources of information are flawed. Another study, in 2010, found that when the misinformed were told about their inaccuracies, they held onto their beliefs with all the more conviction.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/23/2016, 03:44 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/23/2016, 03:44 PM
This is the exact same reason why people cling to religion so tightly. Religion and politics are two sides of the same coin.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/27/2016, 11:51 AM
Post by: Otaking on 03/27/2016, 11:51 AM
ISIS uses Trump in propaganda video and also a bit about Brits opinion on Trump.
http://youtu.be/V2UxAxe_w5s
http://youtu.be/V2UxAxe_w5s
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/29/2016, 03:49 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/29/2016, 03:49 PM
Wow, Trump's campaign manager grabbed a reporter.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/29/trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-charged-with-battery-for-grabbing-reporter-in-florida.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/29/trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-charged-with-battery-for-grabbing-reporter-in-florida.html)
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/29/trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-charged-with-battery-for-grabbing-reporter-in-florida.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/29/trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-charged-with-battery-for-grabbing-reporter-in-florida.html)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/29/2016, 08:42 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/29/2016, 08:42 PM
The reporter thing is an old story that was debunked a couple weeks ago. His manager was doing the "you're in the way and I'm going to maneuver around your side to get in front of you while touching your arm/shoulder so that you know I'm passing" thing that people do in crowds.
The other Republican candidates are calling for the guy to be fired or suspended. Of course, Trump is doing the opposite by defending his manager and (rightfully) accusing the reporter of making things up. Politically that's a bad move -- we're already seeing headlines of "Trump's male campaign manager grabs female reporter" -- but as a human being, it's the right thing for Trump to do. I'm actually pretty angry that charges were filed over such nonsense.
Video #1:
http://youtu.be/kLmQtOvU4Bc
Video #2 (a better view):
http://youtu.be/LhqAwdidI9Y
The other Republican candidates are calling for the guy to be fired or suspended. Of course, Trump is doing the opposite by defending his manager and (rightfully) accusing the reporter of making things up. Politically that's a bad move -- we're already seeing headlines of "Trump's male campaign manager grabs female reporter" -- but as a human being, it's the right thing for Trump to do. I'm actually pretty angry that charges were filed over such nonsense.
Video #1:
http://youtu.be/kLmQtOvU4Bc
Video #2 (a better view):
http://youtu.be/LhqAwdidI9Y
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: bob on 03/29/2016, 08:49 PM
Post by: bob on 03/29/2016, 08:49 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/22/2016, 03:19 PM/games/del.jpg[/img]Quote from: OldRover on 03/22/2016, 03:15 PMIf our choices are Clinton or Trump, I'd rather not vote at all.Do a write in vote!
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/29/2016, 09:21 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 03/29/2016, 09:21 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/29/2016, 08:42 PMThe reporter thing is an old story that was debunked a couple weeks ago. His manager was doing the "you're in the way and I'm going to maneuver around your side to get in front of you while touching your arm/shoulder so that you know I'm passing" thing that people do in crowds.Great, informative post.
The other Republican candidates are calling for the guy to be fired or suspended. Of course, Trump is doing the opposite by defending his manager and (rightfully) accusing the reporter of making things up. Politically that's a bad move -- we're already seeing headlines of "Trump's male campaign manager grabs female reporter" -- but as a human being, it's the right thing for Trump to do. I'm actually pretty angry that charges were filed over such nonsense.
Video #1:
http://youtu.be/kLmQtOvU4Bc
Video #2 (a better view):
http://youtu.be/LhqAwdidI9Y
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/30/2016, 09:39 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/30/2016, 09:39 AM
The police must be on the take then, seeing as their report says her arm was bruised.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 03/30/2016, 10:11 AM
Post by: LostFlunky on 03/30/2016, 10:11 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/30/2016, 09:39 AMThe police must be on the take then, seeing as their report says her arm was bruised.It doesn't look like a big deal to me, especially the view in the 2nd video -which despite it's title, isn't a better view...
But...
In the first video, it appears that he grabs her left arm from behind her and pulls her backwards, towards himself - I could see that causing a bruise...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/30/2016, 10:17 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/30/2016, 10:17 AM
I watched the town halls on CNN last night with Ted Cruz and Trump. I missed the Kasich one.
I'm still astounded that anyone takes this clown seriously. I've made it clear in my previous posts that I'm not a fan of Ted Cruz. But Ted Cruz demonstrated that he at least has a functional knowledge of most of the issues that were thrown at him last night and is able to clearly state his views. Sure, a lot of it was political BS and talking points with him dodging the question in favor of throwing barbs at Obama. But, when the moment called for it, he could at least sounds semi-educated about the subject at hand. Trump? Jesus-tapdancing-Christ. Rambling, incoherent, and self-contradictory from sentence to sentence.
Example: He (supposedly) feels nuclear proliferation is ("probably") the number one issue facing our country. In literally the next sentence he says he wants Japan, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons. When Anderson Cooper calls him on the contradiction, he says, "Why not? They're gonna get 'em anyway!" Then, again, in literally the next sentence he says we need to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
Later, "after security", he claims that healthcare and education are the top priorities for the federal government. Cooper asks him if that means he believes in universal healthcare. Caught in his bumbling nonsense, he mumbles something about how government should just be sure its citizens are healthy and then goes on a tangent about making deals or some such shit.
It's like listening to the ramblings of a doped-up insane person. From one moment to the next, he changes his opinion. Why? Because he doesn't have a clue about what the hell he's talking about. It's astounding. And people are buying it.
I may have been wrong in my statements about Ted Cruz. Trump is dangerously out of his league.
I'm still astounded that anyone takes this clown seriously. I've made it clear in my previous posts that I'm not a fan of Ted Cruz. But Ted Cruz demonstrated that he at least has a functional knowledge of most of the issues that were thrown at him last night and is able to clearly state his views. Sure, a lot of it was political BS and talking points with him dodging the question in favor of throwing barbs at Obama. But, when the moment called for it, he could at least sounds semi-educated about the subject at hand. Trump? Jesus-tapdancing-Christ. Rambling, incoherent, and self-contradictory from sentence to sentence.
Example: He (supposedly) feels nuclear proliferation is ("probably") the number one issue facing our country. In literally the next sentence he says he wants Japan, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons. When Anderson Cooper calls him on the contradiction, he says, "Why not? They're gonna get 'em anyway!" Then, again, in literally the next sentence he says we need to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
Later, "after security", he claims that healthcare and education are the top priorities for the federal government. Cooper asks him if that means he believes in universal healthcare. Caught in his bumbling nonsense, he mumbles something about how government should just be sure its citizens are healthy and then goes on a tangent about making deals or some such shit.
It's like listening to the ramblings of a doped-up insane person. From one moment to the next, he changes his opinion. Why? Because he doesn't have a clue about what the hell he's talking about. It's astounding. And people are buying it.
I may have been wrong in my statements about Ted Cruz. Trump is dangerously out of his league.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/30/2016, 01:09 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/30/2016, 01:09 PM
I'm only picking on one point because it's of personal interest. I'm not interested in debating who is better/worse overall (Trump or Cruz).
QuoteCooper asks him if that means he believes in universal healthcare. Caught in his bumbling nonsense, he mumbles something about how government should just be sure its citizens are healthyHe didn't "mumble" -- agree or disagree with the words, but Trump enunciated very clearly. What he said is that healthcare should be universal but privately administered, so as to foster competition. I happen to agree with that stance. Obamacare was a (failed) attempt to do just that -- but one failure shouldn't poison the concept forever. I'd still like to see privately-administered, universal healthcare in this country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/30/2016, 01:26 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/30/2016, 01:26 PM
Thanks for picking that up, as I didn't get that from what he said. Need to charge up my decoder ring!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/30/2016, 06:35 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/30/2016, 06:35 PM
That's fair. I worked in insurance for a while so that's why that part was especially interesting to me.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/31/2016, 11:52 AM
Post by: Otaking on 03/31/2016, 11:52 AM
Teen girl pepper sprayed at Trump rally.
http://youtu.be/8C1_8EaGs20
http://youtu.be/8C1_8EaGs20
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/31/2016, 02:04 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/31/2016, 02:04 PM
She learned a valuable lesson: don't punch people.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/31/2016, 02:33 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/31/2016, 02:33 PM
I haven't watched the video, but didn't she punch some guy who allegedly groped her? That's what she claims, at least, that he grabbed her breast.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/31/2016, 05:02 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/31/2016, 05:02 PM
Breaking news, Trump pissed off Anonymous:
https://newrepublic.com/article/132283/anonymous-hacked-donald-trump
lol
https://newrepublic.com/article/132283/anonymous-hacked-donald-trump
lol
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 04/04/2016, 12:46 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 04/04/2016, 12:46 AM
Crazed, emotional, Far Left hack "democrats" doing their thing, e.g. lying, libeling, distorting, using [cussing] kids, and when it doubt, pulling the Hitler card! There's even some fake crying to the camera in this thing - Gotta love it! They just can't get away with their bullshit like they used to! Great take down response video, but I only wish the Brit who made it wasn't associated with Alex Jones' Infowars who is a crazed 9/11 inside job "truther" himself like Rosie O'Donnell.
http://youtu.be/erwf4jre98Q
Here's the original monstrosity, and wow, the above critic censored it a bit in comparison:
http://youtu.be/MfrRzW-Yqog
The disabled NY Times reporter and Trump allegedly mocking him being wheelchair-bound by waving his hands was total lying bullshit on their part (they pretend Trump knew he's on a wheelchair and the hand gestures of panting mock his state, rather than having to backtrack on a pro-Trump story which is the context of why he did that) trying to libel him yet again, so that's another one the critic could've added/dissected to his video.
Anyway, fun, nasty stuff, and I honestly haven't seen this desperate level of corrupt, partisan hack reporting/spinning/distorting/parroting/narrative-promoting even during the Bush years... It's much more brazen with Trump!
* The title instead should be "Violent teen protester punches a man at Trump rally and then gets pepper-sprayed!", that is, if the news press cared about their integrity. She's being portrayed as a victim when pepper-spraying a violent protester is justified. The man should've caught up with the police as they showed up, got her arrested to give her a criminal record, the harassing punch-throwing heckler that she is! Unfortunately, the pepper-spraying added complications to that, but if you can get arrested for "battery" for pulling a reporter away for 2-3 seconds who kept touching/grabbing Trump, a presidential candidate, she should've been arrested too!
* They keep repeating "15 year old girl" as a manipulative sympathy play, but nobody involved could know exactly her age at the time and she looks older to me, like ~18ish and makes more sense for someone so angry, loud, and showing up uninvited to political rallies in protest without parents. Regardless, pepper-spray is designed to stop an assault and she didn't feel like throwing another punch afterwards - it did the job... She already had people holding her back to deter her violence, so all around, I have no sympathy for her and no reason to assign credibility to her grope claim with so many people around who would've seen it. She likely used the claim to justify punching him.
* They accuse and generalize Trump supporters of the violence when basically Trump rallies are being harassed, heckled, protested, disrupted, shutdown even, etc. by uninvited democrats from professional protesting groups like #OccupyWallStreet, #BlackLivesMatter (whose accomplishments include getting the city of Ferguson burned down), union thugs perhaps and just general aggressive democrats crashing Trump/republican rallies to yell insults at republicans and at Trump, provoke responses, cause violence even to the point of getting a planned event at Chicago shut down, and let's not forget the crazed Bernie Sanders democrat attempting to violently rush the podium to either knock Trump down, grab him, or whatever he was intending to do!
In other words, crazed democrats hate republicans/Trump enough to crash their rallies/events to provoke responses, cause violence, become part of the story, etc. while republicans are not crashing Clinton and Sanders rallies/events to such an extent in acts of provocation. All it takes is one republican to take the bait, and the democrat allies in the news press will spin the story against Trump, blame him and accuse republican/Trump fans of the violence, etc.
It's essentially a case that republicans can't peacefully assemble to hear Trump speak in such events without having to deal with provocative, bigoted, partisan, uninvited democrats crashing such events/rallies and sometimes becoming part of the story if they can criminally shut down roads, get events cancelled, even rush the podium which then awards you a 10 minute or so soapbox special on CNN where you get to be portrayed as a hero and are allowed to libel Trump some more! Embarrassing/shameful on CNN's part with what they did with that criminal bully, who got to call Trump a bully and other things as a reward on their broadcast!
*Notice they auto-assign credibility to her claim that the man touched her breasts. There's no video evidence, while her attempted punch was caught on tape, but we're supposed to believe a partisan democrat activist harassing an event of the opposite party will be totally honest and not recognize the opportunity to libel/slander republicans/Trump supporters there by crying, all of a sudden, some sexual groping in anger! Yeah, right...
She's pretty ugly and fat, so I highly doubt it was anything intentional if it in fact happened during some heated debate. Regardless, she lost all credibility when she took the swing with no further provoking on his part. These pro-democrat protesters knowingly show up to heckle, protest, harass, "disrupt," confront, etc. Trump fans there, and like I said, unfortunately all it takes is 1 or 2 supporters getting provoked into confrontation and the news press will spin it with an anti-Trump narrative in some way, shape or form... If you understand this, you won't fall for their lying narratives.
* According to this video, it might've been how his hand came down with the paper he's holding which touched her but that didn't stop the Trump-hating news press from reporting a "sexual assault" of 15 year old at Trump rally in the aftermath, so all it took was for her to keep barking the claim out loud which they took as fact and made sure to omit her punching him in their news headlines...
http://youtu.be/iQZPM-PXPNg
* On the subject, this video gives you an idea of the type of aggressive and violent democrats to crash GOP rallies and harass, heckle, provoke, etc. the republicans there. Citizens have to fight these narratives when democrats have greater advantage with the mainstream press.
http://youtu.be/aeOkybuCXX0
http://youtu.be/erwf4jre98Q
Here's the original monstrosity, and wow, the above critic censored it a bit in comparison:
http://youtu.be/MfrRzW-Yqog
The disabled NY Times reporter and Trump allegedly mocking him being wheelchair-bound by waving his hands was total lying bullshit on their part (they pretend Trump knew he's on a wheelchair and the hand gestures of panting mock his state, rather than having to backtrack on a pro-Trump story which is the context of why he did that) trying to libel him yet again, so that's another one the critic could've added/dissected to his video.
Anyway, fun, nasty stuff, and I honestly haven't seen this desperate level of corrupt, partisan hack reporting/spinning/distorting/parroting/narrative-promoting even during the Bush years... It's much more brazen with Trump!
Quote from: Otaking on 03/31/2016, 11:52 AMTeen girl pepper sprayed at Trump rally.Pretty disgusting bias, but not surprising coming from "Young Turks." Warrants some countering.
http://youtu.be/8C1_8EaGs20
* The title instead should be "Violent teen protester punches a man at Trump rally and then gets pepper-sprayed!", that is, if the news press cared about their integrity. She's being portrayed as a victim when pepper-spraying a violent protester is justified. The man should've caught up with the police as they showed up, got her arrested to give her a criminal record, the harassing punch-throwing heckler that she is! Unfortunately, the pepper-spraying added complications to that, but if you can get arrested for "battery" for pulling a reporter away for 2-3 seconds who kept touching/grabbing Trump, a presidential candidate, she should've been arrested too!
* They keep repeating "15 year old girl" as a manipulative sympathy play, but nobody involved could know exactly her age at the time and she looks older to me, like ~18ish and makes more sense for someone so angry, loud, and showing up uninvited to political rallies in protest without parents. Regardless, pepper-spray is designed to stop an assault and she didn't feel like throwing another punch afterwards - it did the job... She already had people holding her back to deter her violence, so all around, I have no sympathy for her and no reason to assign credibility to her grope claim with so many people around who would've seen it. She likely used the claim to justify punching him.
* They accuse and generalize Trump supporters of the violence when basically Trump rallies are being harassed, heckled, protested, disrupted, shutdown even, etc. by uninvited democrats from professional protesting groups like #OccupyWallStreet, #BlackLivesMatter (whose accomplishments include getting the city of Ferguson burned down), union thugs perhaps and just general aggressive democrats crashing Trump/republican rallies to yell insults at republicans and at Trump, provoke responses, cause violence even to the point of getting a planned event at Chicago shut down, and let's not forget the crazed Bernie Sanders democrat attempting to violently rush the podium to either knock Trump down, grab him, or whatever he was intending to do!
In other words, crazed democrats hate republicans/Trump enough to crash their rallies/events to provoke responses, cause violence, become part of the story, etc. while republicans are not crashing Clinton and Sanders rallies/events to such an extent in acts of provocation. All it takes is one republican to take the bait, and the democrat allies in the news press will spin the story against Trump, blame him and accuse republican/Trump fans of the violence, etc.
It's essentially a case that republicans can't peacefully assemble to hear Trump speak in such events without having to deal with provocative, bigoted, partisan, uninvited democrats crashing such events/rallies and sometimes becoming part of the story if they can criminally shut down roads, get events cancelled, even rush the podium which then awards you a 10 minute or so soapbox special on CNN where you get to be portrayed as a hero and are allowed to libel Trump some more! Embarrassing/shameful on CNN's part with what they did with that criminal bully, who got to call Trump a bully and other things as a reward on their broadcast!
*Notice they auto-assign credibility to her claim that the man touched her breasts. There's no video evidence, while her attempted punch was caught on tape, but we're supposed to believe a partisan democrat activist harassing an event of the opposite party will be totally honest and not recognize the opportunity to libel/slander republicans/Trump supporters there by crying, all of a sudden, some sexual groping in anger! Yeah, right...
She's pretty ugly and fat, so I highly doubt it was anything intentional if it in fact happened during some heated debate. Regardless, she lost all credibility when she took the swing with no further provoking on his part. These pro-democrat protesters knowingly show up to heckle, protest, harass, "disrupt," confront, etc. Trump fans there, and like I said, unfortunately all it takes is 1 or 2 supporters getting provoked into confrontation and the news press will spin it with an anti-Trump narrative in some way, shape or form... If you understand this, you won't fall for their lying narratives.
* According to this video, it might've been how his hand came down with the paper he's holding which touched her but that didn't stop the Trump-hating news press from reporting a "sexual assault" of 15 year old at Trump rally in the aftermath, so all it took was for her to keep barking the claim out loud which they took as fact and made sure to omit her punching him in their news headlines...
http://youtu.be/iQZPM-PXPNg
* On the subject, this video gives you an idea of the type of aggressive and violent democrats to crash GOP rallies and harass, heckle, provoke, etc. the republicans there. Citizens have to fight these narratives when democrats have greater advantage with the mainstream press.
http://youtu.be/aeOkybuCXX0
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/04/2016, 10:53 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/04/2016, 10:53 AM
I'm a Republican and I hate Trump because he's a fucking moron. The guy flip flops all over the place, knows fuck all about diplomacy, and his only claim to fame is "I'm rich!"; and that latter part isn't very impressive, seeing as it's based almost entirely upon him riding daddy's coat tails, abusing bankruptcy courts and losing investor's money while collecting himself a fat paycheck, and getting paid for running his mouth on TV. In terms of doing something positive and enduring, he's got nothing.
And it's not spin to say it's a Trump problem when a handful of his supporters start throwing punches, not when Trump himself is saying it's a good thing and encouraging more violence. You'd have a point if he was telling people not to stoop to their level, but he's doing the exact opposite.
And it's not spin to say it's a Trump problem when a handful of his supporters start throwing punches, not when Trump himself is saying it's a good thing and encouraging more violence. You'd have a point if he was telling people not to stoop to their level, but he's doing the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/05/2016, 01:23 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/05/2016, 01:23 AM
Trump definitely began life with a huge advantage, but he still turned a million dollar loan into a multi-billion dollar set of companies that employ thousands of people. (The $40 million inheritance came after he had already multiplied that first million many times over.) I won't argue with your feelings of him as a person -- that's Trump's problem to solve -- but I'm impressed by what he accomplished in business.
Regarding the protests, I won't argue about Trump's tone. Again, that's Trump's problem to handle if he wants. What I will say is that in the months preceding Chicago, Donald Trump held a lot of rallies with thousands of attendees. Protesters were at every single one. Things happen when you get that many people together in one place -- we've heard about the protester who got punched at one rally -- but that aberration highlights just how peaceful Trump's rallies were despite hosting thousands of people. Across months of rallies and protests, nothing like Chicago had ever happened before.
And then some folks who wanted to prove that Trump supporters are "violent" rented a bunch of professional activists and sent them into Chicago to raise a rabble. These are the same kinds of professional activists who helped stir the pot in Ferguson and Occupy Oakland. They come in, get the locals worked up, and leave while the city burns. And they get paid for it.
Trump saw what was happening. He cancelled the event and told everyone to go home peacefully. Unfortunately, it wasn't all peaceful. A few police officers were injured. Trump supporters were physically accosted on their way out. An ambulance was blocked. It would have been much worse if Trump had shown up, but it was still a hostile (and illegal) protest even without the man being there.
I originally didn't want to support Trump, but the way he and his supporters have been treated makes me want to stick up for him. That feels absurd, but I can't help it.
Regarding the protests, I won't argue about Trump's tone. Again, that's Trump's problem to handle if he wants. What I will say is that in the months preceding Chicago, Donald Trump held a lot of rallies with thousands of attendees. Protesters were at every single one. Things happen when you get that many people together in one place -- we've heard about the protester who got punched at one rally -- but that aberration highlights just how peaceful Trump's rallies were despite hosting thousands of people. Across months of rallies and protests, nothing like Chicago had ever happened before.
And then some folks who wanted to prove that Trump supporters are "violent" rented a bunch of professional activists and sent them into Chicago to raise a rabble. These are the same kinds of professional activists who helped stir the pot in Ferguson and Occupy Oakland. They come in, get the locals worked up, and leave while the city burns. And they get paid for it.
Trump saw what was happening. He cancelled the event and told everyone to go home peacefully. Unfortunately, it wasn't all peaceful. A few police officers were injured. Trump supporters were physically accosted on their way out. An ambulance was blocked. It would have been much worse if Trump had shown up, but it was still a hostile (and illegal) protest even without the man being there.
I originally didn't want to support Trump, but the way he and his supporters have been treated makes me want to stick up for him. That feels absurd, but I can't help it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/05/2016, 06:02 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/05/2016, 06:02 AM
They are all clowns with a socialist thrown in for good measure. Trumps simply the biggest, loudest, most powerful; a pure naked politician (now he is) that is unapologetic. I've read a great article from Pat Buchanan describing Trumps movement perfectly. Trump is a Nationalist, that's very attractive in this day where people are being told their cultures and ideology are racist, hateful, and wrong.
http://buchanan.org/blog/what-trump-has-wrought-125088?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatrickBuchanan+%28Pat+Buchanan+Update%29 (http://buchanan.org/blog/what-trump-has-wrought-125088?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatrickBuchanan+%28Pat+Buchanan+Update%29)
http://buchanan.org/blog/what-trump-has-wrought-125088?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatrickBuchanan+%28Pat+Buchanan+Update%29 (http://buchanan.org/blog/what-trump-has-wrought-125088?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatrickBuchanan+%28Pat+Buchanan+Update%29)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/05/2016, 09:44 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/05/2016, 09:44 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/05/2016, 01:23 AMTrump definitely began life with a huge advantage, but he still turned a million dollar loan into a multi-billion dollar set of companies that employ thousands of people. (The $40 million inheritance came after he had already multiplied that first million many times over.)That's the typical oversimplified tale that Trump and most of his supporters like to sing, but it's only half true. The only reason ANY of his early development deals went through is because of his dad's connections; the idea that he went out on his own and made billions off a $1m loan is a farce.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/05/2016, 09:53 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/05/2016, 09:53 AM
Quote from: guest on 04/05/2016, 09:44 AMTrump had connections sure, but take $1,000,000 hell cal it $40,000,000 and make it into 4.5 billion. That does not happen on accident.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/05/2016, 01:23 AMTrump definitely began life with a huge advantage, but he still turned a million dollar loan into a multi-billion dollar set of companies that employ thousands of people. (The $40 million inheritance came after he had already multiplied that first million many times over.)That's the typical oversimplified tale that Trump and most of his supporters like to sing, but it's only half true. The only reason ANY of his early development deals went through is because of his dad's connections; the idea that he went out on his own and made billions off a $1m loan is a farce.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/05/2016, 10:43 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/05/2016, 10:43 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/05/2016, 09:53 AMTrump had connections sure, but take $1,000,000 hell cal it $40,000,000 and make it into 4.5 billion. That does not happen on accident.I didn't say it was an accident or that he did nothing, now did I? I said he did it using his dad's connections and eventually his entire business, meaning he's not the self made man he claims to be.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/06/2016, 07:56 PM
Post by: OldRover on 04/06/2016, 07:56 PM
Some people don't seem to realize that there's a threshold. Turning $1 million into $4.5 billion is not the most difficult thing in the world... you have tremendous investment power with that much money. Try to do the same thing with $100... not so easy. The more investment power you have, the more you can increase its value exponentially. My ex wife's grandfather turned his $10k military nest egg into a $10 million real estate racket a few decades ago. He did not have nearly as much to invest with but it was still enough to turn into millions... and back when he did it, $10k was worth a hell of a lot more than it is now. Give a smart man a million bucks and watch him turn it into a billion... give a stupid man a billion bucks and watch him turn it into a bankruptcy after about a year. Not only that, but there's also the fact that these people had non-monetary advantages... or perhaps just plain dumb luck. Take Microsoft, for example... not a whole lot of investment capital to start with but still enough to make an impact, and now they're the most profitable software company in the world. Having that initial capital made a huge difference but so did being in the right place at the right time. There's always more than one variable involved, so trying to simplify it (like most dumb Americans like to do anyway) doesn't really work in the real world.
That all said, I honestly don't like Trump... but I don't necessarily think he's a terrible guy. Sure, he says a lot of really, really stupid shit, but so do most political nooblets. I really don't think he's fit to lead the most powerful country in the world... maybe he should just start by being governor of Alaska.
That all said, I honestly don't like Trump... but I don't necessarily think he's a terrible guy. Sure, he says a lot of really, really stupid shit, but so do most political nooblets. I really don't think he's fit to lead the most powerful country in the world... maybe he should just start by being governor of Alaska.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 04/06/2016, 08:28 PM
Post by: Otaking on 04/06/2016, 08:28 PM
The Official Donald Trump Jam
http://youtu.be/vPRfP_TEQ-g
http://youtu.be/vPRfP_TEQ-g
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AM
Quote from: OldRover on 04/06/2016, 07:56 PMSome people don't seem to realize that there's a threshold. Turning $1 million into $4.5 billion is not the most difficult thing in the world... you have tremendous investment power with that much money. Try to do the same thing with $100... not so easy. The more investment power you have, the more you can increase its value exponentially. My ex wife's grandfather turned his $10k military nest egg into a $10 million real estate racket a few decades ago. He did not have nearly as much to invest with but it was still enough to turn into millions... and back when he did it, $10k was worth a hell of a lot more than it is now. Give a smart man a million bucks and watch him turn it into a billion... give a stupid man a billion bucks and watch him turn it into a bankruptcy after about a year. Not only that, but there's also the fact that these people had non-monetary advantages... or perhaps just plain dumb luck. Take Microsoft, for example... not a whole lot of investment capital to start with but still enough to make an impact, and now they're the most profitable software company in the world. Having that initial capital made a huge difference but so did being in the right place at the right time. There's always more than one variable involved, so trying to simplify it (like most dumb Americans like to do anyway) doesn't really work in the real world.It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion. The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry. The statement you've made is indefensible.
That all said, I honestly don't like Trump... but I don't necessarily think he's a terrible guy. Sure, he says a lot of really, really stupid shit, but so do most political nooblets. I really don't think he's fit to lead the most powerful country in the world... maybe he should just start by being governor of Alaska.
Bash trump? Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws. But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.
They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2016, 09:43 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2016, 09:43 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMIt's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.It's even more ignorant to think that's what Trump did. He has $4.5b now, but that was built using that $1m plus his father's company (after he died), Trump's inheritance, billions of dollars of other people's investments, etc.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMThe manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry. The statement you've made is indefensible.Manures? Okay.....
He knows the bankruptcy laws, that's for sure. :lol:
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMBash trump? Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws. But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.He's an excellent business man in terms of branding himself, but his track record is pretty crappy as a developer and property owner (or most anything else that's more than sitting in front of a camera or selling his name).
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMThey don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.That's part of it, but they mainly don't like him because he has few answers on what he'd do as president, and the scant specific answers he has given make little sense.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/07/2016, 10:15 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/07/2016, 10:15 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMTrump Steaks. http://youtu.be/LyONt_ZH_aw Enough said.Quote from: OldRover on 04/06/2016, 07:56 PMSome people don't seem to realize that there's a threshold. Turning $1 million into $4.5 billion is not the most difficult thing in the world... you have tremendous investment power with that much money. Try to do the same thing with $100... not so easy. The more investment power you have, the more you can increase its value exponentially. My ex wife's grandfather turned his $10k military nest egg into a $10 million real estate racket a few decades ago. He did not have nearly as much to invest with but it was still enough to turn into millions... and back when he did it, $10k was worth a hell of a lot more than it is now. Give a smart man a million bucks and watch him turn it into a billion... give a stupid man a billion bucks and watch him turn it into a bankruptcy after about a year. Not only that, but there's also the fact that these people had non-monetary advantages... or perhaps just plain dumb luck. Take Microsoft, for example... not a whole lot of investment capital to start with but still enough to make an impact, and now they're the most profitable software company in the world. Having that initial capital made a huge difference but so did being in the right place at the right time. There's always more than one variable involved, so trying to simplify it (like most dumb Americans like to do anyway) doesn't really work in the real world.It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion. The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry. The statement you've made is indefensible.
That all said, I honestly don't like Trump... but I don't necessarily think he's a terrible guy. Sure, he says a lot of really, really stupid shit, but so do most political nooblets. I really don't think he's fit to lead the most powerful country in the world... maybe he should just start by being governor of Alaska.
Bash trump? Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws. But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.
They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/07/2016, 09:43 AMHe received a $40 million inheritance well after his real estate business was under way. His dad died in 99, trump had wealth then. Did it Help? Sure, but I don't think you realize how much 4.5 billion is. Why is it everyone without money is an expert all of a sudden on creating it? You cannot write off his wealth, sorry it's just too great of an achievement and I refuse to believe it was all handed to him but he was give a running start. Wealth begets wealth. He also has dirt on him, name a billionaire that doesn't.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMIt's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.It's even more ignorant to think that's what Trump did. He has $4.5b now, but that was built using that $1m plus his father's company (after he died), Trump's inheritance, billions of dollars of other people's investments, etc.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMThe manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry. The statement you've made is indefensible.Manures? Okay.....
He knows the bankruptcy laws, that's for sure. :lol:Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMBash trump? Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws. But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.He's an excellent business man in terms of branding himself, but his track record is pretty crappy as a developer and property owner (or most anything else that's more than sitting in front of a camera or selling his name).Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMThey don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.That's part of it, but they mainly don't like him because he has few answers on what he'd do as president, and the scant specific answers he has given make little sense.
Bankruptcy? How many times has Derek Jeter struck out? Did he bat 1,000? My god man, he who hasn't failed has never tried. You know you can buy a troubled asset, throw it into
Bankruptcy protection, remove the value and discard the rest. Completely legal. You may not like the process but it its legal. Other business failings? Sure, but again the man is a billionaire so......yup terrible Businessman.
He knows what he wants and he'll get it. He is not a politician, that's for sure and that's a good thing.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/07/2016, 02:21 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/07/2016, 02:21 PM
I couldn't give a shit about his wealth. All I care about is that he's completely full of shit and doesn't have any sort of real, honest plan. And, the plans he does try to elaborate on are revealed to have absolutely zero basis in reality.
I love how the logic is, "He's rich and he's not a politician so he's automatically a good choice!" He's PT Barnum and his followers are suckers. Simple as that.
I love how the logic is, "He's rich and he's not a politician so he's automatically a good choice!" He's PT Barnum and his followers are suckers. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/07/2016, 02:52 PM
Post by: OldRover on 04/07/2016, 02:52 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMIt's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion. The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry. The statement you've made is indefensible.Your response is what's indefensible. I said it wasn't the most difficult thing in the world... I didn't say it was easy. I said that starting with $100 was not so easy. Not only that, but you *COMPLETELY IGNORED EVERYTHING ELSE I SAID*. How typical. Learn to understand context.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMBash trump? Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws. But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.The media bashes everyone visible enough to be bashed. If they don't bash you, they don't think you're important enough. They will do their best to ignore that which threatens their own narrative... bashing someone goes along perfectly with their narrative. Divide and conquer. Also, Trump was born into entitlement and used that entitlement to make himself more entitled. He's not an excellent businessman... he's a mediocre one at best. His fortune is largely a result of being in the right place at the right time with the right entitlements. Stop sucking his dick already.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMThey don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.Considering he has his own hands in media outlets, I'd say that this is a completely ignorant statement right here. Also, being brash and unapologetic are not signs of a proper diplomat, nor a proper leader.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 03:29 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 03:29 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 04/07/2016, 02:52 PMMediocre Billionare, got it. It's all luck his wealth is, sure makes sense now. No sour grapes there. Not that hard to make $4.5 billion. Wealth is easy.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMIt's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion. The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry. The statement you've made is indefensible.Your response is what's indefensible. I said it wasn't the most difficult thing in the world... I didn't say it was easy. I said that starting with $100 was not so easy. Not only that, but you *COMPLETELY IGNORED EVERYTHING ELSE I SAID*. How typical. Learn to understand context.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMBash trump? Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws. But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.The media bashes everyone visible enough to be bashed. If they don't bash you, they don't think you're important enough. They will do their best to ignore that which threatens their own narrative... bashing someone goes along perfectly with their narrative. Divide and conquer. Also, Trump was born into entitlement and used that entitlement to make himself more entitled. He's not an excellent businessman... he's a mediocre one at best. His fortune is largely a result of being in the right place at the right time with the right entitlements. Stop sucking his dick already.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 08:41 AMThey don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.Considering he has his own hands in media outlets, I'd say that this is a completely ignorant statement right here. Also, being brash and unapologetic are not signs of a proper diplomat, nor a proper leader.
A proper diplomat? How are our current ones doing? How are our trade deals? Why are businesses leaving in droves to foreign labor? How are our trade deficits? Both sides increasing debt? How's the middle class doing? Entitlements up? Oh yeah we're killing it.
Time for someone to jerk the wheel.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2016, 04:30 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2016, 04:30 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMHe received a $40 million inheritance well after his real estate business was under way. His dad died in 99, trump had wealth then. Did it Help? Sure, but I don't think you realize how much 4.5 billion is. Why is it everyone without money is an expert all of a sudden on creating it? You cannot write off his wealth, sorry it's just too great of an achievement and I refuse to believe it was all handed to him but he was give a running start. Wealth begets wealth. He also has dirt on him, name a billionaire that doesn't.I was mistaken thinking his father died in '74 when Trump took over the business. No matter - the point stands that most of Trump's wealth was built after he started running his dad's company and using its resources.
Once again, I'm not claiming he's done nothing. I don't know why you keep saying that.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMBankruptcy? How many times has Derek Jeter struck out? Did he bat 1,000? My god man, he who hasn't failed has never tried.If you think failing half the time and losing billions of dollars is a rousing success, you're a fool.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMYou know you can buy a troubled asset, throw it into Bankruptcy protection, remove the value and discard the rest. Completely legal. You may not like the process but it its legal.The problem being that he didn't buy troubled assets, he created them. It's legal, yes, but that doesn't mean it's ethical and it certainly isn't a sign of success.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMOther business failings? Sure, but again the man is a billionaire so......yup terrible Businessman.Not terrible, just mediocre. Click here (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vs-other-billionaires-2015-8) to see how other billionaires have performed over the last 28 years or so, and you'll see that most have outperformed your 'great businessman' by a wide margin.
And exactly where did I say he's a terrible business man? Learn to read, buddy. I stated flat out that he's good at certain things (he's made nearly a quarter of a billion dollars off The Apprentice alone), but he's not performed well as a developer and property owner.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMHe knows what he wants and he'll get it. He is not a politician, that's for sure and that's a good thing.That's an argument that I just don't understand. Trump supporters all claim they don't want a politician that's backed by (and beholden to) big business, which makes some sense, but why oh why do you think it's a good idea to cut out the middle man and give the job directly to big business?!?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 06:26 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 06:26 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/07/2016, 04:30 PMTrump is a big business man, he's a business in his own right. You said it yourself the man made $250,000,000 from a tv show. The man dressed down anyone who crosses him and people ask for more.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMHe received a $40 million inheritance well after his real estate business was under way. His dad died in 99, trump had wealth then. Did it Help? Sure, but I don't think you realize how much 4.5 billion is. Why is it everyone without money is an expert all of a sudden on creating it? You cannot write off his wealth, sorry it's just too great of an achievement and I refuse to believe it was all handed to him but he was give a running start. Wealth begets wealth. He also has dirt on him, name a billionaire that doesn't.I was mistaken thinking his father died in '74 when Trump took over the business. No matter - the point stands that most of Trump's wealth was built after he started running his dad's company and using its resources.
Once again, I'm not claiming he's done nothing. I don't know why you keep saying that.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMBankruptcy? How many times has Derek Jeter struck out? Did he bat 1,000? My god man, he who hasn't failed has never tried.If you think failing half the time and losing billions of dollars is a rousing success, you're a fool.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMYou know you can buy a troubled asset, throw it into Bankruptcy protection, remove the value and discard the rest. Completely legal. You may not like the process but it its legal.The problem being that he didn't buy troubled assets, he created them. It's legal, yes, but that doesn't mean it's ethical and it certainly isn't a sign of success.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMOther business failings? Sure, but again the man is a billionaire so......yup terrible Businessman.Not terrible, just mediocre. Click here (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vs-other-billionaires-2015-8) to see how other billionaires have performed over the last 28 years or so, and you'll see that most have outperformed your 'great businessman' by a wide margin.
And exactly where did I say he's a terrible business man? Learn to read, buddy. I stated flat out that he's good at certain things (he's made nearly a quarter of a billion dollars off The Apprentice alone), but he's not performed well as a developer and property owner.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 02:15 PMHe knows what he wants and he'll get it. He is not a politician, that's for sure and that's a good thing.That's an argument that I just don't understand. Trump supporters all claim they don't want a politician that's backed by (and beholden to) big business, which makes some sense, but why oh why do you think it's a good idea to cut out the middle man and give the job directly to big business?!?
Trump is so big that no politician can take him down. How many politicians has he taken down? He never retreats, just attacks in the face of all odds. He's the biggest thing in news right now and even with all their attacks he plows ahead and will take New York and most of the North East in Delegates. The left is scared, the media is scared, China is scared, Mexico is scared. The man sees politicians as what they are, ignorant liars who'll dance for money and he's made a lot of people dance. He made my Governor dance on live tv and then kicked him to the curb when he was done with him. He also calls politicians out as the garbage they are and he knows how to negotiate. The left and the news cry out racist and hate monger and when every other man would back off and apologize he plows ahead and wins more states than anyone be else. I have no idea how you wouldn't want this man over Cruz.
No matter how many times you say it, it never fails to make me chuckle when you say "Mediocre Billionaire". It's fun to watch a persons hate lead them past the truth to make a statement like that. Forbes reported 4.5 billion and you roll your eyes; embarrassing. Way to big of a number take apart. Calling it mediocre again may as well go full Lib-Tard and call it a "Hate Fact".
You have seen what this man has done to politicians, he destroyed Jeb Bush and his $100,000,000 war chest in two words " Low Energy". He took a Spanish politicians State and called it from a mile away. He changed the entire election to immigration reform front and center, he's about to win New York, he could win California.
Keep underestimating the man. Keep calling him mediocre. Keeping rolling those eyes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2016, 06:59 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2016, 06:59 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 06:26 PMI have no idea how you wouldn't want this man over Cruz.Cruz stinks for many different reasons, but at least he can answer policy questions without contradicting himself, stating he'd break international law, or flip flopping an hour later.
Also, as I stated earlier but I'm sure you couldn't be bothered to read (or comprehend), I don't want Trump nominated because I don't think he can win against Clinton, as he's not terribly popular with women, hispanic, or independent voters.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 06:26 PMNo matter how many times you say it, it never fails to make me chuckle when you say "Mediocre Billionaire". It's fun to watch a persons hate lead them past the truth to make a statement like that. Forbes reported 4.5 billion and you roll your eyes; embarrassing. Way to big of a number take apart. Calling it mediocre again may as well go full Lib-Tard and call it a "Hate Fact".His money making performance in the past ~30 years when compared to other billionaires is mediocre. Did you even bother to look at the link I posted? It's not hate, envy, or any other silly emotional spin you want to put on it; it's a fact based on cold, hard numbers.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 06:26 PMYou have seen what this man has done to politicians, he destroyed Jeb Bush and his $100,000,000 war chest in two words " Low Energy". He took a Spanish politicians State and called it from a mile away. He changed the entire election to immigration reform front and center, he's about to win New York, he could win California.Only if you keep sucking that Trump cock.
Keep underestimating the man. Keep calling him mediocre. Keeping rolling those eyes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 04/07/2016, 08:11 PM
Post by: elmer on 04/07/2016, 08:11 PM
Interesting long interview with David Cay Johnston, a reporter that's been following Trump for years.
http://harryshearer.com/le-shows/april-3-2016/ (http://harryshearer.com/le-shows/april-3-2016/)
http://harryshearer.com/le-shows/april-3-2016/ (http://harryshearer.com/le-shows/april-3-2016/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 09:43 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/07/2016, 09:43 PM
Quote from: NecroPhileOnly if you keep sucking that Trump cock.I'd love to but the line for that is way too long. See how many people showed up for Trump in New York? Over 17,000. See what happened to Cruz? Those kiddies threatened a walk out.
Tell me, wouldn't you like to see Trump rip apart Hilary live on the debates? He has so much dirt on her, he'll make her dance just like the others.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2016, 12:57 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2016, 12:57 AM
Quote from: guest on 04/07/2016, 06:59 PMHis money making performance in the past ~30 years when compared to other billionaires is mediocre.I won't speak for EvilEvo because he's already spoken too much. But speaking for me -- when I look at that list you linked, I don't see high performers and low performers. I look at that list and see the most successful businessmen in the world.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/08/2016, 09:38 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/08/2016, 09:38 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2016, 12:57 AMI won't speak for EvilEvo because he's already spoken too much. But speaking for me -- when I look at that list you linked, I don't see high performers and low performers. I look at that list and see the most successful businessmen in the world.Can't it be both? This isn't a black and white world.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/08/2016, 02:15 PM
Post by: OldRover on 04/08/2016, 02:15 PM
I just like to razz Trump supporters. :lol: No ill will, I promise. :D
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/09/2016, 02:22 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/09/2016, 02:22 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2016, 12:57 AMExcellent point. The man took a $1,000,000 loan (and solid business connections) and turned it into billions, not hundreds of millions, billions. He's a master of leverage. During the 80's he built his casinos with organized labor and had to grease a lot of palms to get it done. The man is an arrogant force who'll stop at nothing to get his way. Public opinion doesn't sway him and he controls the media.Quote from: guest on 04/07/2016, 06:59 PMHis money making performance in the past ~30 years when compared to other billionaires is mediocre.I won't speak for EvilEvo because he's already spoken too much. But speaking for me -- when I look at that list you linked, I don't see high performers and low performers. I look at that list and see the most successful businessmen in the world.
Again, anyone who discounts his billions is being spiteful. "Mediocre Billionare". Still makes me laugh.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 04/10/2016, 11:29 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 04/10/2016, 11:29 AM
I work in banking and have dealt directly with hundreds of millionaires on a day to day basis for nearly a decade now. I haven't seen a single one of them become a billionaire, so it must not be that easy to do.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wildfruit on 04/10/2016, 11:37 AM
Post by: wildfruit on 04/10/2016, 11:37 AM
I bought a house for £165k 10 years ago. It is now worth £265k. Trump watch out!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/10/2016, 01:52 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 04/10/2016, 01:52 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 04/10/2016, 11:29 AMI work in banking and have dealt directly with hundreds of millionaires on a day to day basis for nearly a decade now. I haven't seen a single one of them become a billionaire, so it must not be that easy to do.Any of them become mediocre billionaires? Obviously almost anyone can achieve that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/20/2016, 09:46 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/20/2016, 09:46 AM
Looks like Drumpf and Billary wins Newyork. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york (http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 04/20/2016, 03:20 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 04/20/2016, 03:20 PM
I voted Bernie, as did most of WNY, but the city slickers love Hillary!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wilykat on 04/20/2016, 10:22 PM
Post by: wilykat on 04/20/2016, 10:22 PM
Still shitty lineup for this year's election.
Did you know? You can still use write-in vote. And I know someone who did write in Bugs Bunny in the past troubled election.
Did you know? You can still use write-in vote. And I know someone who did write in Bugs Bunny in the past troubled election.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 04/20/2016, 10:31 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 04/20/2016, 10:31 PM
Yeah, looks like Hellary "Rotten" Clinton didn't get to feel teh Bern in New York... I was hoping the Clinton Crime Family could be dispatched once and for all by Bernie, but the old-timer didn't come through for me... :/ Funny thing is Bernie is way too Far Left for me, so I'm almost totally ideologically opposed to him in every way, but I can't hate the guy and Hillary just doesn't deserve the nomination nor is qualified... She didn't deserve some coronation and at least she had to put up a fight.
(https://s5.postimg.cc/q99hmem1z/feel_the_bern_ny_post.jpg)
Nope... Teh Bern felt a little Hellary this time... ;)
(https://s5.postimg.cc/q99hmem1z/feel_the_bern_ny_post.jpg)
Nope... Teh Bern felt a little Hellary this time... ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 04/21/2016, 02:44 AM
Post by: seieienbu on 04/21/2016, 02:44 AM
Quote from: NightWolve on 04/20/2016, 10:31 PMYeah, looks like Hellary "Rotten" Clinton didn't get to feel teh Bern in New York... I was hoping the Clinton Crime Family could be dispatched once and for all by Bernie, but the old-timer didn't come through for me... :/ Funny thing is Bernie is way too Far Left for me, so I'm almost totally ideologically opposed to him in every way, but I can't hate the guy and Hillary just doesn't deserve the nomination nor is qualified... She didn't deserve some coronation and at least she had to put up a fight.Even if you're absolutely against his policies, I feel that it's easy to like Bernie Sanders if for no other reason than he's stuck to his personal morals and never flip flopped on his main issues. It's hard to hate an idealist who only campaigns on a platform based around human rights.
Nope... Teh Bern felt a little Hellary this time... ;)
I don't like Hillary at all and am Still hoping she doesn't get the nomination. I've watched her lie and flipflop for 20 years now. She wants to be president because she wants to be president. Bernie wants to be president so that he can fight what he perceives as injustice. Hillary Clinton reminds me at least a little bit of Bill Clinton at this point. When Bill saw the ground that Ross Perot was gaining due to his singular issue of the deficit spending, he took the balanced budget rhetoric and made it seem like his own. Now Hillary takes Sanders' talking points and presents them as if they're her own. Perhaps I wouldn't mind someone taking said points and running with them all the way to the White House except I don't trust that as soon as she's nominated she won't just drop everything Sanders has been saying as soon as it's not the clearest path to what she wants, her seat in the Oval Office.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/21/2016, 12:28 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/21/2016, 12:28 PM
I freaking love this gif...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26tPgOD5tdTmFt4fC/giphy.gif)
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 04/21/2016, 04:50 PM
Post by: esteban on 04/21/2016, 04:50 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/21/2016, 12:28 PMI freaking love this gif...Agreed. Pure genius.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26tPgOD5tdTmFt4fC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wilykat on 04/21/2016, 05:44 PM
Post by: wilykat on 04/21/2016, 05:44 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 04/20/2016, 10:31 PM(https://s5.postimg.cc/q99hmem1z/feel_the_bern_ny_post.jpg)She looks like that "Two Weeks" woman from Total Recall:
(https://i.imgur.com/JGKHCp4.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 04/21/2016, 05:47 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 04/21/2016, 05:47 PM
Hahaha, no way, good find! Wish I had made that connection myself!!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/21/2016, 06:34 PM
Post by: OldRover on 04/21/2016, 06:34 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 04/20/2016, 10:31 PMFunny thing is Bernie is way too Far Left for me, so I'm almost totally ideologically opposed to him in every wayWhat ideologies of his are you opposed to?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 04/21/2016, 07:12 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 04/21/2016, 07:12 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 04/21/2016, 06:34 PMPartly already answered here as to being generally opposed to the US democrat party. Using the state as an instrument/weapon of wealth redistribution, class warfare, looking at rich people as your personal piggy bank to rob their wealth and then spread it around to corrupt/bribe the citizenry with, buy votes (Marxist-Robinhood heroism), etc. Bernie is at least openly honest with his socialist label, but this has been true of democrats for most of the last century.Quote from: NightWolve on 04/20/2016, 10:31 PMFunny thing is Bernie is way too Far Left for me, so I'm almost totally ideologically opposed to him in every wayWhat ideologies of his are you opposed to?
Quote from: NightWolve on 03/14/2016, 01:25 AMAnother issue that comes to mind on the spot is his stated desire to pass a constitutional amendment to reverse the 1st amendment in some way to criminalize political dissent following the Citizens-United ruling.Quote from: guest on 03/14/2016, 12:31 AManti-charitable hypocritical "Christians" any day of the week.I think it's easy to sit back, vote for people to automate "charity" via the power of the state and call opponents of such an ever-expanding system of theft and redistribution hypocritical. I have a heart, but I have a brain too. Inspiring people to donate voluntarily is an actual Christian teaching, but robbing Peter to pay for Paul's welfare, his schooling, his retirement, or his sex-change operation or his condoms, etc. is something else... That becomes a system of bribery with stolen money. Democrats are primarily the party of Santa Claus (and the GOP's RINO left-wing which could fully take over in a few decades), and I recognize it's a losing battle against such a party because who doesn't love "free" stuff ? Very effective tactic and voting blocks that are socially/culturally opposite of modern democrats vote for them in majorities thanks to it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism)
QuoteAnd criminalizing things is very much on Bernie's agenda, beginning with the criminalization of political dissent. At every event he swears to introduce a constitutional amendment reversing Supreme Court decisions that affirmed the free-speech protections of people and organizations filming documentaries, organizing Web campaigns, and airing television commercials in the hopes of influencing elections or public attitudes toward public issues. That this would amount to a repeal of the First Amendment does not trouble Bernie at all. If the First Amendment enables Them, then the First Amendment has got to go.So that'd be a short answer. I could go down the list of where I differ with the democrat party. I prefer the Reagan model of small government, low taxes, less centralization, less one-size fits all model, a more honest, less corrupt judiciary instead of it being packed with Far Left hacks that rewrite the Constitution all the time to evade the will of elected representatives and those who elected them, etc. So I know exactly what kind of judges Bernie would appoint to the Supreme Court, same as Hillary, what we already got with Obama, and I would oppose every last one of them. And it's not just there, you have all the other federal bureaucracies, the FCC, IRS, EPA, FBI, etc. and the president is responsible for some appointments when it comes to that as well.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/21/2016, 09:48 PM
Post by: OldRover on 04/21/2016, 09:48 PM
Eh... not sure I'd trust an article about either Democrats or Socialists from a strong right-wing publication like National Review. I personally have no problem with wealth redistribution and you've got to be some kind of lunatic if you think that the rich don't get away with some seriously shady shit to stay rich. Manipulation of markets and using their buying power to sway legislation in their favor has been a mainstay in the USA for decades and yet I've yet to see a Republican politician take any kind of stance against it. In a nation of consumerism, money talks, and the rich are the ones holding the megaphone. While I don't agree that they deserve to be stripped of their wealth, I do agree that they need to place ethics above profits. It's this exact system that keeps people divided, and a divided populace is easy to conquer and control. The rich profit from the commoners fighting with each other, and they're the ones telling the commoners that their neighbor is their enemy. Yeah, it's class warfare... there's the ruling class and the peasant class. Guess what? We're the peasant class, and the ruling class is making us fight each other through manipulative doublespeak. That's why I have no allegiance to either the Democrats or the Republicans... nor do I align myself with any kind of libertarian or authoritarian groups.
The only thing that really bothers me about Sanders is how he keeps repeating the tired old wage gap argument... while I get that this is a ploy to win the votes of the unwashed feminists, it's still dishonest as fuck. But then again, Obama touts it too, so... yeah. It's supposedly a unifying tactic... except it doesn't work for those of us who are educated on such matters... it just pisses us off. The Republicans, on the other hand, are openly honest about wanting to divide people, which also pisses me off.
The only thing that really bothers me about Sanders is how he keeps repeating the tired old wage gap argument... while I get that this is a ploy to win the votes of the unwashed feminists, it's still dishonest as fuck. But then again, Obama touts it too, so... yeah. It's supposedly a unifying tactic... except it doesn't work for those of us who are educated on such matters... it just pisses us off. The Republicans, on the other hand, are openly honest about wanting to divide people, which also pisses me off.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 04/22/2016, 01:57 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 04/22/2016, 01:57 AM
Quote from: OldRover on 04/21/2016, 09:48 PMEh... not sure I'd trust an article about either Democrats or Socialists from a strong right-wing publication like National Review.National Review is one of the more respected right-leaning publications founded by William F. Buckley, I found many great reads there over the years, that is, unless you wanna totally close yourself off to opposing viewpoints/analysis from the political Right. They've been angrily anti-Trump though which admittedly has turned me off a bit. In general, I find them far more intellectually honest than the mainstream news press.
I too can stop every time and state rejection of articles/info from several Far Left rags that were linked in here (so far we've had links from NY Times/Slimes, NewRepublic, Mother Jones [an old commie rag], Slate, Politico, HuffingtonPuffingtonPost), but they exist, they're here to stay, I can't wish them away anymore than Far Left hacks who pray for Talk Radio and Fox News to disappear, and I sometimes do in fact torture myself by reading/listening to what they have to say to better know/understand opponents.
Anyway, Bernie is done, Hellary pretty much secured the nomination, but you could always write him in as president come election time as jlued686 suggests doing to vote always on principle. And of course, that is also my suggestion, vote for Bernie Sanders regardless if he's on the ballot come this November, heh-heh. :P
Now for another episode of Bad Lip Reading:
http://youtu.be/ROBTDSK46aU
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/22/2016, 07:39 AM
Post by: OldRover on 04/22/2016, 07:39 AM
I don't care how well-respected they are... taking such a publication seriously is like asking a KKK member to write an honest article about black culture. I don't trust left-wing sources to write honest articles about the right either. Both Faux News and Huffingglue Post can fuck off. Don't even get me started on Mother Jones... holy fuck.
The thing is that I can read articles from both sides and easily see the bias, the cherry-picking, and the projection. Both sides are just echo chambers for their rabid fans. Also, Faux News is part of that mainstream media you seem to decry... in fact, they're a huge part of the mainstream media. They're not outcasts or rebels, they're just pandering to a different demographic. To paraphrase Henry Rollins, they're the same mouthful of mouthwash swishing to the other cheek.
As for Trump... eek. The President is supposed to be the face of the nation. Do we really want this buffoon representing us as a country? What the hell does that say about us to the rest of the world? Even worse... do we want Clinton as the face of our nation? Ugh. We're fucked either way. If it comes down to Trump vs Clinton and there was no other option to vote for, I'd abstain from voting. Clinton and Trump are two sides of the same coin that was swallowed by a baby with colitis and came out in its diaper.
The thing is that I can read articles from both sides and easily see the bias, the cherry-picking, and the projection. Both sides are just echo chambers for their rabid fans. Also, Faux News is part of that mainstream media you seem to decry... in fact, they're a huge part of the mainstream media. They're not outcasts or rebels, they're just pandering to a different demographic. To paraphrase Henry Rollins, they're the same mouthful of mouthwash swishing to the other cheek.
As for Trump... eek. The President is supposed to be the face of the nation. Do we really want this buffoon representing us as a country? What the hell does that say about us to the rest of the world? Even worse... do we want Clinton as the face of our nation? Ugh. We're fucked either way. If it comes down to Trump vs Clinton and there was no other option to vote for, I'd abstain from voting. Clinton and Trump are two sides of the same coin that was swallowed by a baby with colitis and came out in its diaper.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 04/22/2016, 10:50 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 04/22/2016, 10:50 AM
I look at that quite the opposite. I don't trust left-wing sources to write honest articles about themselves, their policies, their favored political party, etc. If you want to find what they omitted, how they spun/distorted/manipulated the story in their favor, etc., you have to at times go to their opponents/critics... It's in that way that you get both sides, or all/multiple/more sides to an issue and then find where you come down on it, who/what you think is right.
Credibility is earned over time, and if someone keeps lying to you, you're not gonna keep returning... Everybody has a bias but how upfront/honest are they about it ? I have more respect for the op-ed writers/talking heads, like us here, people who just state their positions, preferences, thoughts, defend them to the best of their abilities, etc. and don't try to pretend they're objective, "right down the middle" to earn credibility that they don't deserve, then tilt the news coverage just a bit on behalf of their favored outcome/narrative/policy/agenda/etc.
On Fox News, yeah, it achieved mainstream status I would also say... Being "mainstream" wasn't the criticism, it was lack of ideological/political diversity in the mainstream press, Left and Far Left hacks running the show, shaping the news coverage by and large... Fox News broke that monopoly/dominance to an extent on Cable TV (and the butthurt/rage it caused continues!), but the REAL champion of diversity and democratization of news for any/all points of view came with the Internet, because now you have access to all sorts of information beyond the ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS that you grew up with as a kid which filtered out quite a bit! And that experience, the transition of it, was quite eye-opening I must say! The first time I ever got to watch Fox News, I was like, WOW, somebody analyzed or looked at this issue in terms of how I think of it, how come I've never seen that before ?? Same thing when I first heard a Talk Radio show.
Anyway, I'm hesitant to ask then but what is a Rover-approved publication/news source ? Not that I'm gonna take yours seriously, but curious since you raised the issue... ;)
Credibility is earned over time, and if someone keeps lying to you, you're not gonna keep returning... Everybody has a bias but how upfront/honest are they about it ? I have more respect for the op-ed writers/talking heads, like us here, people who just state their positions, preferences, thoughts, defend them to the best of their abilities, etc. and don't try to pretend they're objective, "right down the middle" to earn credibility that they don't deserve, then tilt the news coverage just a bit on behalf of their favored outcome/narrative/policy/agenda/etc.
On Fox News, yeah, it achieved mainstream status I would also say... Being "mainstream" wasn't the criticism, it was lack of ideological/political diversity in the mainstream press, Left and Far Left hacks running the show, shaping the news coverage by and large... Fox News broke that monopoly/dominance to an extent on Cable TV (and the butthurt/rage it caused continues!), but the REAL champion of diversity and democratization of news for any/all points of view came with the Internet, because now you have access to all sorts of information beyond the ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS that you grew up with as a kid which filtered out quite a bit! And that experience, the transition of it, was quite eye-opening I must say! The first time I ever got to watch Fox News, I was like, WOW, somebody analyzed or looked at this issue in terms of how I think of it, how come I've never seen that before ?? Same thing when I first heard a Talk Radio show.
Anyway, I'm hesitant to ask then but what is a Rover-approved publication/news source ? Not that I'm gonna take yours seriously, but curious since you raised the issue... ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/22/2016, 01:57 PM
Post by: OldRover on 04/22/2016, 01:57 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 04/22/2016, 10:50 AMAnyway, I'm hesitant to ask then but what is a Rover-approved publication/news source ? Not that I'm gonna take yours seriously, but curious since you raised the issue... ;)Therein lies the details, friend... I don't have a single approved publication or news source, because they all have their own version of the truth, especially when it comes to politics and social issues. The only way to figure out what's really going on is to listen to all sides of the same story, figure out where the bullshit is (usually easy, since each side paints a picture in favor of themselves), and piece together the reality of the issue at hand. It's so much easier to just take at face value the side you align with but since I don't align with any side and I prefer to have 100% of the story and 0% of the bullshit, I can't rely on a single source or even a single side. Believe it or not, even Fox News has surprised me in the past with an honest article or two... but then that modicum of respect I would gain for them gets annihilated by 10 more articles of pure filth. I used to watch The Young Turks on youtube because they would bring up issues that the mainstream media would largely ignore, but then they went full-on SJW so I said "fuck this shit".
My "problem", if you can call it that, is that I don't align with any ideologies... so all sides are my enemy by their own choosing. You will find that I will have plenty of things in common with you, and yet plenty of differences, and that's because I don't align with your side yet I don't align with your chosen opponent's side either. People like me are universally hated for this... and yet people like me also don't give a fuck if you hate us or not. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/22/2016, 09:30 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/22/2016, 09:30 PM
In other news.. https://www.inverse.com/article/14577-confessed-time-traveler-andrew-basiago-is-running-for-president-knows-he-ll-win (https://www.inverse.com/article/14577-confessed-time-traveler-andrew-basiago-is-running-for-president-knows-he-ll-win)
Confessed time traveler is running for president. Hmmm
Confessed time traveler is running for president. Hmmm
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 04/23/2016, 01:57 AM
Post by: esteban on 04/23/2016, 01:57 AM
National Review.
Ha!
Fin.
Ha!
Fin.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/23/2016, 04:20 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/23/2016, 04:20 PM
I'm with Rover in my distrust for every publication. I can't name a single one that I actually trust. Of course, some are worse offenders than others -- Mother Jones has always been a joke, and most of National Review's writers have gone on a real bender. I seriously worry for their health; the amount of stress they're apparently feeling isn't good for the body.
Unfortunately, since everyone is terrible, that means I have to read everyone to have any clue what's going on. Dammit.
Unfortunately, since everyone is terrible, that means I have to read everyone to have any clue what's going on. Dammit.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 05/03/2016, 09:04 PM
Post by: Otaking on 05/03/2016, 09:04 PM
Just seen on the BBC that Ted Cruz is announcing he's out of the race. I guess that's it then, Trumpf will be the Republican nominee.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 05/03/2016, 09:20 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 05/03/2016, 09:20 PM
Yeah, I just learned of it, Trump in-it-to-win-it with a landslide win in Indiana, and Cruz calling it quits...
There's a live broadcast coming up here: http://youtu.be/5oO4YqOGClY
So, it's pretty official on both sides, Hellary "Rotten" Clinton will get a shot at "her turn" come November versus Da Trumpster. Pick your poison or none at all. ;)
I threw my vote to Cruz in our state's primary, but as I mentioned, it left a sour taste later. I know Trump is a watered-down New York [democrat]-republican at the end of the day, similar aspects to Rudy Giuliani, but it's interesting, I like the guy in certain ways and out of 2 choices, with alienation towards democrats, the choice is easy if I choose to show up and vote again (Illinois due to Chicago will go democrat for sure, so it don't matter). In terms of long-term aspects, seeing the republican party watered-down further isn't great to watch, but the RINOs/establishment types have done a bang-up job for so long, so it's like whatever at this point...
There's a live broadcast coming up here: http://youtu.be/5oO4YqOGClY
So, it's pretty official on both sides, Hellary "Rotten" Clinton will get a shot at "her turn" come November versus Da Trumpster. Pick your poison or none at all. ;)
I threw my vote to Cruz in our state's primary, but as I mentioned, it left a sour taste later. I know Trump is a watered-down New York [democrat]-republican at the end of the day, similar aspects to Rudy Giuliani, but it's interesting, I like the guy in certain ways and out of 2 choices, with alienation towards democrats, the choice is easy if I choose to show up and vote again (Illinois due to Chicago will go democrat for sure, so it don't matter). In terms of long-term aspects, seeing the republican party watered-down further isn't great to watch, but the RINOs/establishment types have done a bang-up job for so long, so it's like whatever at this point...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/03/2016, 09:22 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/03/2016, 09:22 PM
Drumpf and Billary. Awesome. Looks like I'm voting third party this election cycle.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 05/03/2016, 10:48 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 05/03/2016, 10:48 PM
It's not surprising it comes down to this... pretty much like any other election. Would you rather have the worthless pile of shit or the runny puddle of shit?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 05/03/2016, 09:22 PMDrumpf and Billary. Awesome. Looks like I'm voting third party this election cycle.The choice is left or right. Same as before. Tons of differences between them except Hilary has caused death from incompetence. Trump is dirty as well but admits he played the system. I like the "GRIP" method of voting. Get Ride of Incumbent Politicians. Whosever in throw them the fuck out that way nothing gets done. Keep the system encumbered and counter intuitive.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 05/04/2016, 07:15 AM
Post by: esteban on 05/04/2016, 07:15 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AMNo, the choice is right or right.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 05/03/2016, 09:22 PMDrumpf and Billary. Awesome. Looks like I'm voting third party this election cycle.The choice is left or right. Same as before. Tons of differences between them except Hilary has caused death from incompetence. Trump is dirty as well but admits he played the system. I like the "GRIP" method of voting. Get Ride of Incumbent Politicians. Whosever in throw them the fuck out that way nothing gets done. Keep the system encumbered and counter intuitive.
Same as before.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/04/2016, 08:59 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/04/2016, 08:59 AM
Quote from: guest on 05/04/2016, 07:24 AMOr Deez Nuts. :PQuote from: esteban on 05/04/2016, 07:15 AMThe time has come.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AMNo, the choice is right or right.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 05/03/2016, 09:22 PMDrumpf and Billary. Awesome. Looks like I'm voting third party this election cycle.The choice is left or right. Same as before. Tons of differences between them except Hilary has caused death from incompetence. Trump is dirty as well but admits he played the system. I like the "GRIP" method of voting. Get Ride of Incumbent Politicians. Whosever in throw them the fuck out that way nothing gets done. Keep the system encumbered and counter intuitive.
Same as before.
I hereby announce my candidacy for the office of President of the United States.
If dumb and dumber don't appeal to you, then vote for dumbest and write in "Nulltard" this November.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/04/2016, 09:33 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/04/2016, 09:33 AM
Anyone else get a chuckle out of Trump claiming Ted's dad was involved in the Kennedy assassination?
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AMI like the "GRIP" method of voting. Get Ride of Incumbent Politicians.Riders gonna ride? :lol:
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AMWhosever in throw them the fuck out that way nothing gets done. Keep the system encumbered and counter intuitive.I thought you wanted to 'jerk the wheel' and change the system. What's the point of getting rid of incumbents for the express purpose of the new guys/gals to get in, do nothing, and maintain the status quo?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 05/04/2016, 09:47 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 05/04/2016, 09:47 AM
Quote from: guest on 05/04/2016, 09:33 AMAnyone else get a chuckle out of Trump claiming Ted's dad was involved in the Kennedy assassination?Yeah, it's a story from the National Enquirer that just came out, that his dad was hanging around with Oswald at some point prior.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/photos/ted-cruz-avoids-questions-about-dads-commie-photo-scandal-at-campaign-event/photo/155697/ (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/photos/ted-cruz-avoids-questions-about-dads-commie-photo-scandal-at-campaign-event/photo/155697/)
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/ted-cruz-scandal-father-jfk-assassination/ (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/ted-cruz-scandal-father-jfk-assassination/)
So, they "found" an old "photo" with his dad and Oswald next to each other. If it's a smear job/hit-piece, that's f--ked up that they're faking/forging photos (a libel lawsuit should be easy then!), but this is a tabloid paper that puts out photos of aliens front page, so yeah, likely a smear job (they're not above fake/forged photos), though I'm tempted to look for other sources just in case. They do get some stories right, like the John Edwards scandal, but the track record of fake crap is the standard. Meanwhile, the smear-by-satire/sarcasm strategy continued elsewhere, Yahoo News asked his wife to answer the social media "accusations" that he's the Zodiac Killer...
EDIT: Well, I found a video of it, but it's not convincing. There could be a resemblance and if it's true he was living in New Orleans at the time, it may have been worth asking the father about, but just reporting it first as "fact" is a problem, a libelous one... There's also the fact that the father became a devout Christian preacher, so to go from joining Communists, one of the greatest terrorist groups in the world, which have a fanatical, Christian-hating atheist-wing, to then a preacher is very far-fetched, not totally unheard of, but very far-fetched...
http://youtu.be/oel5c_RRqlI
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/04/2016, 11:19 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/04/2016, 11:19 AM
I can't wait to have a president who gets his news from the National Enquirer. What could go wrong?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 05/04/2016, 11:36 AM
Post by: Otaking on 05/04/2016, 11:36 AM
Just read this Trump article on the BBC website, quite a good summary.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34903577 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34903577)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34903577 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34903577)
Quote from: BBCDonald Trump: 26 things the Republican believes
Donald Trump is the frontrunner in the Republican race to be the presidential nominee for next year's election. What are his policies and beliefs?
1. Arab-Americans cheered the attacks on 9/11. Trump repeatedly claimed that on 11 September, 2001, there were thousands of Arab-Americans celebrating in New Jersey after two planes flew into the Twin Towers. He says such public demonstrations "tell you something" about Muslims living in the US. However, there are no media reports to back up the claim.
2. There should be surveillance on US mosques. Trump believes Muslims should be tracked by law enforcement as a counterterrorism initiative. He has walked back some comments about keeping a database on all American Muslims, but says he doesn't care if watching mosques is seen as "politically incorrect".
Demonstrators protest surveillance at New York mosques in 2013
3. The US should use waterboarding and other methods of "strong interrogation" in its fight against the Islamic State. The candidate said that these methods are "peanuts" compared to the tactics used by the militants, such as beheadings.
4. Trump would "bomb the hell" out of IS. He claims that no other candidate would be tougher on the Islamic State and he would weaken the militants by cutting off their access to oil.
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5. Create a simpler tax code. Trump wants anyone who earns less than $25,000 (£16,524) to pay no income tax. They would submit nothing more than a single page tax form that reads "I win". He would lower the business tax to 15%. He would also allow multinational companies keeping money overseas to repatriate their cash at a 10% tax rate.
6. Hedge fund managers are "getting away with murder" under the current US tax code.Trump found common ground with Democrats like Senator Elizabeth Warren when he said that hedge fund managers and the ultra-wealthy do not pay enough taxes. However, after the campaign released specifics of his plan, analysts argued that hedge fund managers would actually get a tax cut along with the middle class.
7. He wants to build a "great, great wall" between the US and Mexico. In some of his earliest campaign comments, Trump suggested that Mexicans coming to the US are largely criminals. "They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and they're rapists," he said. A wall on the border, he claims, will not only keep out undocumented immigrants but Syrian migrants as well. He also believes that Mexico should have to pay for the wall, which a BBC analysis estimates could cost between $2.2bn and $13bn.
8. A mass deportation of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in the US should go into effect. Despite criticism that this idea is both xenophobic and prohibitively expensive - the BBC estimates $114bn - Trump says his deportation plan is as achievable as it will be humane. In addition, his immigration reforms would end "birthright citizenship", the policy that grants the children of illegal immigrants citizenship so long as they are born on American soil. He does not support creating a new path to citizenship for undocumented workers.
9. He and Vladmir Putin would "get along very well". In an interview with CNN, Trump said that Putin and Obama dislike one another too much to negotiate, but that "I would probably get along with him very well. And I don't think you'd be having the kind of problems that you're having right now".
10. In order to end mass shootings, the US should invest in mental health treatment. However, Trump does not believe that more gun control is the answer. In a position paper on gun rights, Trump revealed he has a concealed carry permit and that when it comes to gun and magazine bans, "the government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own". He would also oppose an expansion of background checks.
11. China should be taken to task on a number of issuesin order to make trade with the US more equitable. If elected he says he will make China stop undervaluing its currency, and force it to step up its environmental and labour standards. He is also critical of the county's lax attitude towards American intellectual property and hacking.
12. The Black Lives Matter movement is "trouble". Trump mocks former Democratic candidates like Martin O'Malley for apologising to members of the protest movement against police brutality and casts himself as a pro-law enforcement candidate. "I think they're looking for trouble," he once said of the activist group. He also tweeted a controversial graphic purporting to show that African Americans kill whites and blacks at a far higher rates than whites or police officers. However, the graphic cites a fictitious "Crime Statistics Bureau" for its numbers, and has been widely debunked using real FBI data.
Donald Trump's controversial tweet about crime statistics
13. Current unemployment statistics are wrong. Trump has said repeatedly that unemployment in the US is at 20% - once commenting it may be as high as 42% - despite the fact that the Bureau of Labor Statistics pegs the number at 5.1%. Trump says he doesn't believe that figure is real.
14. His net worth is $10bn. Based on Trump's 92-page personal financial disclosure form, Bloomberg calculated that the real estate mogul is worth about $2.9bn and Forbes put Trump's worth at $4bn. In response, Trump insisted in a press release that he is worth "in excess of TEN BILLION DOLLARS". He is self-funding his campaign and describes his start in the business world as a "small loan of a million dollars" from his father.
15. Veteran healthcare in the US needs a major overhaul. Trump wants to clear out the executive level in the Department of Veterans Affairs, saying that wait times for doctor visits have only increased after previous interventions failed. Thousands of veterans have died while waiting for care, he says. He will invest in the treatment of "invisible wounds" like post-traumatic stress disorder and depression. He would also increase the number of doctors who specialise in women's health to help care for the increasing number of female veterans.
16. Obamacare is a "disaster". Trump says he favours repealing the president's Affordable Care Act, which aims at extending the number of Americans with health insurance, but he believes that "everybody's got to be covered". A spokesman for Trump told Forbes that he will propose "a health plan that will return authority to the states and operate under free market principles".
17. Climate change is just "weather". While Trump believes that maintaining "clean air" and "clean water" is important, he dismissed climate change science as a "hoax" and believes environmental restrictions on businesses makes them less competitive in the global marketplace. "I do not believe that we should imperil the companies within our country," he told CNN on the issue. "It costs so much and nobody knows exactly if it's going to work."
18. The world would be better off if Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddhafi were still in power. Trump told CNN that he believes the situation in both Libya and Iraq is "far worse" than it ever was under the two deceased dictators. While he concedes Saddam was a "horrible guy", he says he did a better job combating terrorists.
19. He would send back Syrian migrants seeking asylum in the US. He says that the Paris attacks prove that even a handful of terrorists posing as migrants could do catastrophic damage, and so he will oppose resettling any Syrians in the US, and deport those who have already been placed here.
20. Kim Davis should get another job. The Kentucky clerk became a conservative cause when she was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licences to gay couples because of her Christian faith. But Trump said: "I'm a very, very strong believer in Christianity and religion, but I will say that this was not the right job for her."
21. Muslims should not be admitted to the US. In a press release published in the wake of the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino, California, Trump wrote that he is "calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on". The release created a huge backlash, including a petition submitted to British Parliament demanding that Trump not be allowed into the country.
22. He is a "really nice guy". In Trump's most recent book, Crippled America, he writes that "I'm a really nice guy, believe me, I pride myself on being a nice guy but I'm also passionate and determined to make our country great again". The news site Gawker points out that he calls himself a "nice guy" throughout the book, and Trump repeated that self-assessment in his opening monologue on Saturday Night Live and in an interview with the Washington Post.
23. Tokyo and Seoul should build up nuclear arsenals. He has said Japan and South Korea should not rely on the US so much and would benefit from having their own weapons. Nuclear war between Japan and North Korea may be "terrible" but it would be "pretty quick".
24. The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) is a "rip-off" because the US pays more than anyone else.
25. Doctors should be punished for administering abortions - or should they?In an interview with MSNBC, Mr Trump said that if abortion were to become illegal, women should be punished for obtaining them. He then retracted, saying the doctor would be responsible and he or she should be punished instead.
26. The Republican National Committee's rules are "stacked against him". He has called the delegate system "crooked" and "unfair". He has repeatedly clashed with the RNC over its nomination process and how it has treated his candidacy. He has called rules that allowed Senator Ted Cruz to gain more delegates than him in some states "rigged".
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 05/04/2016, 12:37 PM
Post by: Otaking on 05/04/2016, 12:37 PM
Just seen reported that John Kasich is out as well.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 05/04/2016, 02:22 PM
Post by: Gredler on 05/04/2016, 02:22 PM
The end really is near. I really can't believe these are our candidates. WWE is more legitimate and believable than our political system. How depressing.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/05/2016, 09:57 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/05/2016, 09:57 PM
Quote from: guest on 05/04/2016, 09:33 AMAnyone else get a chuckle out of Trump claiming Ted's dad was involved in the Kennedy assassination?I've voted for both Republican and Democrat for president. Generally GRIP applies to NJ but could work on a national scale. If Trump gets in you better believe that the House an Senate will swing left to stop him from passing laws. GRIP at work.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AMI like the "GRIP" method of voting. Get Ride of Incumbent Politicians.Riders gonna ride? :lol:Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 05/04/2016, 06:36 AMWhosever in throw them the fuck out that way nothing gets done. Keep the system encumbered and counter intuitive.I thought you wanted to 'jerk the wheel' and change the system. What's the point of getting rid of incumbents for the express purpose of the new guys/gals to get in, do nothing, and maintain the status quo?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/06/2016, 12:51 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/06/2016, 12:51 PM
I like reading TheWeek.com. They're pretty straightforward and - the best part - they don't allow comments.
They just posted an interesting article on the Trump fiasco, basically leaning away from the "end of days" rhetoric and comparing him to Berlusconi, which I think is a pretty apt scenario. I don't think he's going to bring about end times. I just think he'll be a loudmouth, bumbling and embarrassing pig who'll eventually be taken down by his own ego and stupidity. It makes me more interested to see who his VP pick will be. If he goes with someone competent and somewhat thoughtful, I'm more optimistic. If he goes with an idiotic nitwit, a la Palin, then we're truly fucked.
Here's the article:
http://theweek.com/articles/622581/how-bad-president-trump (http://theweek.com/articles/622581/how-bad-president-trump)
They just posted an interesting article on the Trump fiasco, basically leaning away from the "end of days" rhetoric and comparing him to Berlusconi, which I think is a pretty apt scenario. I don't think he's going to bring about end times. I just think he'll be a loudmouth, bumbling and embarrassing pig who'll eventually be taken down by his own ego and stupidity. It makes me more interested to see who his VP pick will be. If he goes with someone competent and somewhat thoughtful, I'm more optimistic. If he goes with an idiotic nitwit, a la Palin, then we're truly fucked.
Here's the article:
http://theweek.com/articles/622581/how-bad-president-trump (http://theweek.com/articles/622581/how-bad-president-trump)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/07/2016, 04:07 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/07/2016, 04:07 PM
Drumpf wants to default on the national debt.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/king-debt-trump-suggests-hed-default (http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/king-debt-trump-suggests-hed-default)
Wow, that'll piss off China.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/king-debt-trump-suggests-hed-default (http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/king-debt-trump-suggests-hed-default)
Wow, that'll piss off China.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/07/2016, 04:51 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/07/2016, 04:51 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 05/07/2016, 04:07 PMDrumpf wants to default on the national debt.He see's the USA as a business being raped repeatedly. He simply wants to wrestle back control and end trade deficits. He does this by holding all the cards and threatening to burn the whole building down if he doesn't get his way. China will more than likely play ball because if the USA defaults on debt (HIGHLY unlikely as we simply print money and mortgage the future) it'll collapse our dollar. So owing China 1.4 trillion dollars with money that is now worthless would essentially wipe our debt. It's a vicious cycle we are locked in. As long as we keep borrowing and making payments our currency remains strong. China keeps having to loan us money because if they don't we default.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/king-debt-trump-suggests-hed-default (http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/king-debt-trump-suggests-hed-default)
Wow, that'll piss off China.
An old adage...
If you owe a bank $50,000, you have a problem.
If you owe a bank $50,000,000, the bank has a problem.
FYI he isn't suggesting to default as a tactic, he's merely pointing out what would happen if interest rates would rise on the debt we owe in contrast to China devaluing their currency. What a bullshit lying article, nowhere in that video does he say he'll default on US Debt. So typical of the media. Did you even watch the video or would that be too hard to actually listen to facts and make a decision vs parroting liberal talking points?
Don't like the man, think hes dangerous, vote against him. That article is one of the many proofs of a lying, biased media and the people who don't read and take it as facts.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wilykat on 05/08/2016, 02:46 AM
Post by: wilykat on 05/08/2016, 02:46 AM
Defaulting would really hurt us poor Americans. The biggest debt holder is not China but Social Security. The government had written so much IOUs to keep old people from going broke that the government themselves are terminally broke. Something like 2/3 of total debt is owned by US and 1/3 by outside. China only has about 7.5% of US total debt
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: shawnji on 05/08/2016, 11:37 AM
Post by: shawnji on 05/08/2016, 11:37 AM
I just wanted to chime in and say that the Japanese guys at my workplace are terrified of Trump and what he's going to do to Japanese / American business relationships. The fact that he's trying to get the Japanese government to pay for the military base in Okinawa (which they already take on some of the costs for) is a big issue too. Some people I talk to are terrified that he'll pull the base out and Japan will suddenly be at the mercy of North Korea and China without having the resources to put up a real defense. Alternatively, the people of Okinawa have been pushing for years to get the base removed because of the noise pollution, rowdy and disruptive soldiers, and cases of rape by said soldiers that have occured over the years.
Anyway, it's interesting to get their perspective and I thought I'd share.
Anyway, it's interesting to get their perspective and I thought I'd share.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 05/11/2016, 08:19 AM
Post by: Otaking on 05/11/2016, 08:19 AM
Deez Nuts would be far better candidate than Trump.
https://www.facebook.com/Deez-Nuts-for-President-2016-142303999436812/ (https://www.facebook.com/Deez-Nuts-for-President-2016-142303999436812/)
https://www.facebook.com/Deez-Nuts-for-President-2016-142303999436812/ (https://www.facebook.com/Deez-Nuts-for-President-2016-142303999436812/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/11/2016, 09:57 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/11/2016, 09:57 AM
Quote from: Otaking on 05/11/2016, 08:19 AMDeez Nuts would be far better candidate than Trump.Thank you, glad someone else agrees with me. It has a nice ring to it. Better than Drumpf.
https://www.facebook.com/Deez-Nuts-for-President-2016-142303999436812/ (https://www.facebook.com/Deez-Nuts-for-President-2016-142303999436812/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 05/26/2016, 12:59 PM
Post by: Otaking on 05/26/2016, 12:59 PM
Just seen reported in the news that Trump has now officially won enough delegates (1,238) for the Republican nomination.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sadler on 05/26/2016, 03:35 PM
Post by: Sadler on 05/26/2016, 03:35 PM
:cry:
Here's to hoping for a 1 term president, regardless of who wins.
Here's to hoping for a 1 term president, regardless of who wins.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: bob on 05/26/2016, 05:26 PM
Post by: bob on 05/26/2016, 05:26 PM
republicans are essentially voting for the VP, since i wouldnt be surprised if Trump was off'd not long into his term.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/26/2016, 05:46 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/26/2016, 05:46 PM
I don't like the guy, but I hope to hell that don't happen. We're not some middle eastern shit hole country where it's okay to kill the other guy if he wins.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/26/2016, 10:10 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/26/2016, 10:10 PM
Don't care, voting third party. Fuck Drumpf and Billary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/26/2016, 11:42 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 05/26/2016, 11:42 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 05/27/2016, 01:25 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 05/27/2016, 01:25 AM
Trumpster in-it-to-win-it, no turning back now! :P
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/27/2016, 10:08 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/27/2016, 10:08 AM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 05/26/2016, 05:46 PMI don't like the guy, but I hope to hell that don't happen. We're not some middle eastern shit hole country where it's okay to kill the other guy if he wins.I agree. I think impeachment is more likely as he'll do something completely illegal without even realizing it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: bob on 05/27/2016, 10:37 AM
Post by: bob on 05/27/2016, 10:37 AM
my comment was more alluding to the fact his narrow view of every ethnicity is going to probably piss off just one crazy person
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/27/2016, 11:42 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/27/2016, 11:42 AM
I thought some crazy redneck might kill Obama, too. But it looks like he just might make it. ;)
The thing about Trump is I get why people are excited by him. They like what he represents, or at least what they think he represents. They've been fucked over so hard by the so-called "establishment" for so long that they want someone to come in, speak straight with them, and fuck shit up. A bull in a China shop, so to speak. They feel used, which they have been. Their beliefs and values have been used as a wedge and a political tool, only to be discarded once election day is over.
Unfortunately, in my opinion, Trump is not what they think he is. He's not doing this for them. He's doing it to feed his ego. They need someone who at least knows what the hell he's talking about and truly cares about them. Basically, they need a right-wing Bernie. You can disagree with Bernie's policies and views all you want (and I disagree with many of them). But he's informed, experienced, and you know what you're getting. With Trump, you don't know if he'll change his mind from one moment to the next, and that's because he hasn't given anything more than a superficial consideration. It's all about his ego and his bluster.
But, like I said before, I don't think his election would signal the end of days. I think the most likely scenario is he would do something illegal - not out of malice, but out of sheer ignorance and ego - that would get him tossed out of office. This is why I think his VP pick is the most important VP pick of all time.
The thing about Trump is I get why people are excited by him. They like what he represents, or at least what they think he represents. They've been fucked over so hard by the so-called "establishment" for so long that they want someone to come in, speak straight with them, and fuck shit up. A bull in a China shop, so to speak. They feel used, which they have been. Their beliefs and values have been used as a wedge and a political tool, only to be discarded once election day is over.
Unfortunately, in my opinion, Trump is not what they think he is. He's not doing this for them. He's doing it to feed his ego. They need someone who at least knows what the hell he's talking about and truly cares about them. Basically, they need a right-wing Bernie. You can disagree with Bernie's policies and views all you want (and I disagree with many of them). But he's informed, experienced, and you know what you're getting. With Trump, you don't know if he'll change his mind from one moment to the next, and that's because he hasn't given anything more than a superficial consideration. It's all about his ego and his bluster.
But, like I said before, I don't think his election would signal the end of days. I think the most likely scenario is he would do something illegal - not out of malice, but out of sheer ignorance and ego - that would get him tossed out of office. This is why I think his VP pick is the most important VP pick of all time.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 05/27/2016, 02:32 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 05/27/2016, 02:32 PM
Eh, the vice president standards are pretty low, and democrats are hereby recused for 8 years in judging the worth of the VP pick on the republican side... The thing though that I like about "Plugs" Biden is that it's actually inspiring to all of us - when I look at him I think, gee, I could've been a VP too, or anybody else in this thread, the average Joe Blow Schmoe in other words, no big deal! If THAT guy could make it to being one heartbeat away from the presidency, then by God, I could do it too if I wanted... :P
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/Sephiroth1975/Funny/BIDENFACE1.gif)
You hear what I'm saying, bruh ? :lol:
(https://i.postimg.cc/DzwxPN4x/Creepy-Quid-Pro-Joe-Anime-Girls-Beware.jpg)
I get that you're totally opposed to Trump, but throwing it out there that HE would be the one to cross the impeachment line is pretty silly after what Obama's gotten away with in the face of a republican Congress and his unconstitutional executive orders ("Durrr, if Congress won't act, I WILL!!! FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION!!!"). Maybe if democrats take over the Senate certainly, but that remains to be seen. They wanted to with Bush and could've when they were in charge, but going by history and how that worked out with B.J. "Bubba" Clinton probably was the main deterrent.
Crazy Bernie would be more years of gridlock, he's even more Far Left than the democrat primary voters which is why they voted him down even in the face of a lying, corrupt politician like Clinton. It's funny, all she had to do is stay cool during her time as secretary of state, just sit there and by the end of it cite it as a "resume enhancer" (just as she did as a NY senator), but instead she had to go to the unusual step of setting up private email servers to evade some level of government accountability measures which got her into some legal and political trouble. Pretty dumb.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/Sephiroth1975/Funny/BIDENFACE1.gif)
You hear what I'm saying, bruh ? :lol:
(https://i.postimg.cc/DzwxPN4x/Creepy-Quid-Pro-Joe-Anime-Girls-Beware.jpg)
I get that you're totally opposed to Trump, but throwing it out there that HE would be the one to cross the impeachment line is pretty silly after what Obama's gotten away with in the face of a republican Congress and his unconstitutional executive orders ("Durrr, if Congress won't act, I WILL!!! FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION!!!"). Maybe if democrats take over the Senate certainly, but that remains to be seen. They wanted to with Bush and could've when they were in charge, but going by history and how that worked out with B.J. "Bubba" Clinton probably was the main deterrent.
Crazy Bernie would be more years of gridlock, he's even more Far Left than the democrat primary voters which is why they voted him down even in the face of a lying, corrupt politician like Clinton. It's funny, all she had to do is stay cool during her time as secretary of state, just sit there and by the end of it cite it as a "resume enhancer" (just as she did as a NY senator), but instead she had to go to the unusual step of setting up private email servers to evade some level of government accountability measures which got her into some legal and political trouble. Pretty dumb.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EmperorIng on 05/27/2016, 03:11 PM
Post by: EmperorIng on 05/27/2016, 03:11 PM
I'll never get tired* of pictures of Biden awkwardly grabbing and fondling small girls. Did people really want him to run? Is he notable for anything, ever?
*tired of getting the heeby-jeebies, that is
*tired of getting the heeby-jeebies, that is
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/27/2016, 03:11 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/27/2016, 03:11 PM
I like you, Nightwolve.
Just wanted to lead with that. ;)
I'm not pitting one side vs. the other here. I'm not looking to start a discourse that boils down to "Oh yeah?! Well what about what the other side did, HUH?!"
That said, you seem to have missed my point, which was simply this: Trump, with all his bluster and his ignorance of nearly everything to do with the office for which he's running*, there's probably a chance that he will inadvertently do something that will get him tossed out of office. Further, my point about his VP pick was not to say, "Because Biden is a genius!"** My point was that I hope his VP pick is capable because there's a chance he's gonna get called up to the big boy chair at some point.
We can talk Executive Order abuse (which is a legitimate concern) vs. unprecedented obstructionism (also legitimate) in a different thread if you'd like.
*Before anyone takes issue with my use of the word "ignorance" in relation to Trump, keep in mind that this ignorance is apparently one of his selling points with his supporters. Ignorance seems to fall into the "Pros" column as they take it to mean he's an "outsider".
**I would vote for Biden for President simply to get at least four more years of The Onion's Diamand Joe articles. Pure gold.
Just wanted to lead with that. ;)
I'm not pitting one side vs. the other here. I'm not looking to start a discourse that boils down to "Oh yeah?! Well what about what the other side did, HUH?!"
That said, you seem to have missed my point, which was simply this: Trump, with all his bluster and his ignorance of nearly everything to do with the office for which he's running*, there's probably a chance that he will inadvertently do something that will get him tossed out of office. Further, my point about his VP pick was not to say, "Because Biden is a genius!"** My point was that I hope his VP pick is capable because there's a chance he's gonna get called up to the big boy chair at some point.
We can talk Executive Order abuse (which is a legitimate concern) vs. unprecedented obstructionism (also legitimate) in a different thread if you'd like.
*Before anyone takes issue with my use of the word "ignorance" in relation to Trump, keep in mind that this ignorance is apparently one of his selling points with his supporters. Ignorance seems to fall into the "Pros" column as they take it to mean he's an "outsider".
**I would vote for Biden for President simply to get at least four more years of The Onion's Diamand Joe articles. Pure gold.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/27/2016, 03:23 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/27/2016, 03:23 PM
Executive orders are tools of tyranny! ..... but only when issued by Obama. :lol:
As for Biden - as dumb as he is, he's not as retarded as the VP he ran against.
As for Biden - as dumb as he is, he's not as retarded as the VP he ran against.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 05/27/2016, 05:03 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 05/27/2016, 05:03 PM
Quote from: guest on 05/27/2016, 03:11 PMI'm not pitting one side vs. the other here. I'm not looking to start a discourse that boils down to "Oh yeah?! Well what about what the other side did, HUH?!"No, I see your point, I just disagree with it, I don't think it has much merit. I think you're just putting it out there as another insult to his character, much like this thread's title accuses him of being trigger happy and most-likely-to-drop-another-nuke, a classic form of libel levied at republicans/right-leaning politicians.
That said, you seem to have missed my point, which was simply this: Trump, with all his bluster and his ignorance of nearly everything to do with the office for which he's running*, there's probably a chance that he will inadvertently do something that will get him tossed out of office. Further, my point about his VP pick was not to say, "Because Biden is a genius!"** My point was that I hope his VP pick is capable because there's a chance he's gonna get called up to the big boy chair at some point.
We can talk Executive Order abuse (which is a legitimate concern) vs. unprecedented obstructionism (also legitimate) in a different thread if you'd like.
*Before anyone takes issue with my use of the word "ignorance" in relation to Trump, keep in mind that this ignorance is apparently one of his selling points with his supporters. Ignorance seems to fall into the "Pros" column as they take it to mean he's an "outsider".
Here's what I think: The system and current environment doesn't lend itself to the scenario you're putting out there. He's put forth policy ideas, but no where did that somehow imply that it'd be accomplished by hook or by crook via expanding/abusing presidential powers... It's like people are auto-accusing him of what Obama did with executive order abuse, when he'll have a republican Congress if elected for the most part and will be able to get some/most of it passed with them. There's nothing different of over-promising plans/ideas in the campaign trail and then having to get back down to reality and pragmatism if Congress isn't gonna go along on some here and there.
Obama is a solid ideologue unlike Trump, and going from full power in Congress with 60 senate seats for ~6 months to losing both chambers is what led to him and his regime looking for whatever means necessary to try to work around our system of divided power. And even with what he got away with, no serious thought of impeachment ever occurred. The judicial system pushed him back somewhat on immigration, and recess judicial appointments, but his excesses in Obamacare survived by one vote given John Roberts apparently flipped his vote the last minute, so now we live in a time where the federal government has expanded its power to being able to mandate that you go out and buy a product/service.
Point is though, some checks and balances occurred thanks to lawsuits and the judicial system to reign in Obama's authoritarianism/unilateralism/attempts to concentrate more and more power into the presidency despite falsely promising to reverse this trend which he accused Bush of when he was a candidate. See: http://youtu.be/a3IWq3CXHyc , http://youtu.be/rTrmt6wToC4 (but he did it anyway), and http://youtu.be/BkZS2FzEzmU
Why would Trump be any different and not be subject to the same push backs and why would he even feel the inclination if Congress is in republican hands ? Your prediction is based on another prediction, democrats at least capturing the US senate.
On the issue of our system of transferring power and what the job of the presidency actually is, why it is that a "community disorganizer" lawyer hack like Obama and Joe "Plugs" Biden, formerly the dumbest man in the Senate, now THE dumbest man in the WhiteHouse, why is it that either one could transition into the position and the country not see any serious disruption somehow ? They all inherit the full-time WhiteHouse staffers and the party apparatus that comes with being apart of a political party, in other words, all the onboard experience that's ALWAYS there! The job entails making speeches, flying around at tax-payer expense, signing bills brought before you into law, an either yes/no decision, same when the military branch comes to you and says, we planned an op to capture/kill Osama Bin Laden, yes or no ?
First year, any candidate likely defers to Congress in the writing/advising of most bills. A president can submit his budget ideas eventually, but the House of Reps holds that power and ultimately writes the final version though it must be able to pass a veto threat if the 2/3 override majorities aren't there.
Trump would be subject to the same things, the party apparatus comes on board that has experience controlling the WhiteHouse, as well as the existing WhiteHouse staffers that are there to facilitate a smooth transition from outgoing president to new one, etc. If Hillary Clinton can do this, Trump can do it also... The position just isn't as powerful as it's made out to be and why a guy that's dumb as a box of rocks like "Plugs" Biden could do it... You'd pretty much just get the same democrat policies overall that you're used to...
So, my point is, Trump will be subject to all of this as anybody else would, and he'll want a good legacy, so he'll defer to the party apparatus starting off the first year, and as experience and confidence grows, then he'll start to submit his own particulars here and there... It's how the system works really.
The only way I would kind of agree with you on this point is if a 3rd Party candidate from say the Green, CPUSA, Socialist Worker's, Constitution, or Conservative parties won the presidency. In which case, the 2 main parties that have held the presidencies for most of the country's history do not come on board to advise/ensure a smooth power transition and maintenance of the party's brand. A truly independent candidate is less likely to be helped by the existing staff from the 2 party system. In other words, the learning curve for the job would be MUCH higher because you don't get the benefit of that, just the WhiteHouse staff system, again, that's always there by tax-payer expense...
So, the question is, how is Trump gonna run into something that'll "inadvertently" get him "impeached" by the party that's in charge, his party which he's running under, which would be advising him in some ways to AVOID making that a reality ? The GOP is not gonna impeach their party's candidate, which would lead to PR damage and electoral losses. Worst case, some laws passed under Congress or orders (IF they're legitimately an abuse/overreach) get tied up or thrown out by the courts as we saw with Obama several times... Other than that, this charge is just background noise/exaggeration to me.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 05/28/2016, 03:41 PM
Post by: Otaking on 05/28/2016, 03:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153779035896939/ (https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153779035896939/) - Trump reacts to Obama's Hiroshima visit
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PM
Post by: OldRover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PM
If we can survive two Bushes, we can survive Trump. I'm not too worried either way.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 06/09/2016, 01:29 PM
Post by: Otaking on 06/09/2016, 01:29 PM
Top 10 Crazy Donald Trump Moments
http://youtu.be/Lc-fGYnV4Rw
http://youtu.be/Lc-fGYnV4Rw
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 07/27/2016, 07:31 PM
Post by: Otaking on 07/27/2016, 07:31 PM
WTF
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36907541 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36907541)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36907541 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36907541)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 07/27/2016, 07:55 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 07/27/2016, 07:55 PM
We'll see what Assange claims to have on Clinton in the near future and I'm willing to bet a healthy % of those condemning Trump's tweet supported what Julian Assange has done (such as with his top leaker, the infamous Edward Snowden) or will do (which endorses all the illegal hacking/espionage/seditious actions by those who sent him classified information or whatever).
Julian Assange: Wikileaks to Release 'A Lot More' on Hillary Clinton
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/27/julian-assange-wikileaks-release-lot-hilary-clinton/ (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/27/julian-assange-wikileaks-release-lot-hilary-clinton/)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/julian-assange-dnc-email-leak-hack/ (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/julian-assange-dnc-email-leak-hack/)
As for Trump's quote & tweet, best to read that instead of the news press' distorted characterization of it.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/758335147183788032 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/758335147183788032)
He's going by reports that believe these email servers were illegally accessed by outsider(s) and had content retrieved from them, and if so, to turn those emails over to the FBI. While it could be interesting and lead to changes to prevent things like this in the future, it'd be illegally obtained evidence and becomes objective endorsement of the past activity.
So, if the servers were already hacked by a person, by Russia, by China or whoever, and the information exists somewhere, should it be sent to the FBI given that Clinton's "clean-up crew" deleted what they wanted before turning them over ?? Is your opposition that this question should not be explored publicly, and kept private or just because it's Trump ??
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/756804886038192128
Julian Assange: Wikileaks to Release 'A Lot More' on Hillary Clinton
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/27/julian-assange-wikileaks-release-lot-hilary-clinton/ (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/27/julian-assange-wikileaks-release-lot-hilary-clinton/)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/julian-assange-dnc-email-leak-hack/ (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/julian-assange-dnc-email-leak-hack/)
As for Trump's quote & tweet, best to read that instead of the news press' distorted characterization of it.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/758335147183788032 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/758335147183788032)
Quote from: Trumpster(1) Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. (2) If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton's 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!BBC "claims" those comments "encourage" a future hack by Russia when those email servers were long ago taken down, handed over to the FBI for examination post-deletion by Hillary "You-f*cking-Jew-bastard!" Clinton's "crew..." I think it's fair to call that characterization a distortion.
He's going by reports that believe these email servers were illegally accessed by outsider(s) and had content retrieved from them, and if so, to turn those emails over to the FBI. While it could be interesting and lead to changes to prevent things like this in the future, it'd be illegally obtained evidence and becomes objective endorsement of the past activity.
So, if the servers were already hacked by a person, by Russia, by China or whoever, and the information exists somewhere, should it be sent to the FBI given that Clinton's "clean-up crew" deleted what they wanted before turning them over ?? Is your opposition that this question should not be explored publicly, and kept private or just because it's Trump ??
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/756804886038192128
Quote from: TrumpsterLeaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGEDBy talking about WikiLeaks, reporting what those hacked emails show how the DNC worked against Bernie Sanders for example, I agree there's a level of objective endorsement of the illegal methods it relies on (which applies to the news press as well as anybody else that refers to such reports), but to what exactly is your opposition/criticism here would be my question ?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PM
Post by: spenoza on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PMIf we can survive two Bushes, we can survive Trump. I'm not too worried either way.I'm a white male, I have nothing to fear from Trump OR Clinton. But the LGBT people I know? They have something to fear from Trump. And people of color, and Muslims, and other minority groups as well, potentially. Those are the folks I'm worried about. I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 07/27/2016, 09:38 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 07/27/2016, 09:38 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/27/2016, 09:10 PMThe tweet was damage control after the fact.OK, I read the article again, (edited my previous post accordingly) so it started with a quote "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing" plus the tweet, and BBC is forwarding Clinton's distorted characterization (and hiding behind it) that this is to encourage a future hack, but the point still stands objectively, those email servers were long ago disconnected and handed over to the FBI as evidence... However, if they were hacked during their years of service to Clinton, and some of her deleted emails still exist somewhere by whoever did the hacking, yeah, he's encouraging the release of that info to the FBI in a "might as well" fashion as else otherwise her deleted emails would be lost forever, so what further laws she broke and whatever was done/said will never be known, etc.
Clinton has been a failure or mediocre in all her years of government service, and her extraordinary set-up of private email servers shows a high level of incompetence beyond the propensity for secrecy... All she had to do was sit there for a few years and add "secretary of state" to her resume, collect her paycheck at taxpayer expense, sit quiet for the most part, pretend she's doing "great work" for the American people now and then, but she botched even that...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 07/27/2016, 09:55 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 07/27/2016, 09:55 PM
Saying her use of private email servers is incompetence is naive. The Clintons are very smart and manipulative people.
I believe the use of private servers was to conceal the YUGE conflict of interest and inside deals she was making as head of the state dept and the Clinton foundation.
Bottom line is that bitch is crooked as hell, and the Clintons have been surrounded by scandal forever. She must not be President.
I believe the use of private servers was to conceal the YUGE conflict of interest and inside deals she was making as head of the state dept and the Clinton foundation.
Bottom line is that bitch is crooked as hell, and the Clintons have been surrounded by scandal forever. She must not be President.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 07/27/2016, 10:22 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 07/27/2016, 10:22 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PMI think LGBT people have something to fear from Hillary "You-f*cking-Jew-bastard!" Clinton and the democrats' policies of (1) if you like your overpopulation, you get to keep your overpopulation, keep 'em coming, keep 'em coming, keep 'em coming, that is, perpetual immigration including from Muhammadan lands of the Middle East given their blind lust for power and need to fill democrat voter registration rolls (we're still a bit overpopulated by republican voters, so...), and (2) gun-control, making sure that all 49-50 patrons/people who were executed or shot by the Muhammadan son of Afghanistan immigrants at the Pulse night club in Florida be unarmed, unable to carry any firearms under the generalization that if a gay guy tried to shoot back at the terrorist, he just would've shot another gay guy, and we can't have a Wild West situation, only politicians should get to have armed-guards, beyond that, the rest of you should just be limited to "calling the police" when there's trouble (it's for your own good!), etc.Quote from: OldRover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PMIf we can survive two Bushes, we can survive Trump. I'm not too worried either way.I'm a white male, I have nothing to fear from Trump OR Clinton. But the LGBT people I know? They have something to fear from Trump. And people of color, and Muslims, and other minority groups as well, potentially. Those are the folks I'm worried about. I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for them.
How about holding immigration from at least Saudi Arabia (you know, where most of the 9/11 terrorists were imported from) hostage until they abolish the death penalty for same-sex couples or atheists ? Can we get any bipartisan support on that ?? Or would that be asking too much for our supposed Muhammadan "friends" over there ? Nope, guess we can't... Nevermind.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 07/27/2016, 11:12 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 07/27/2016, 11:12 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 07/27/2016, 10:22 PMI concur. Eveyone has something to be afraid of if Hillary moves forward with Obama's Syrian Refugee plan. Western Europe is regretting that shit!Quote from: guest on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PMI think LGBT people have something to fear from Hillary "You-f*cking-Jew-bastard!" Clinton and the democrats' policies of (1) if you like your overpopulation, you get to keep your overpopulation, keep 'em coming, keep 'em coming, keep 'em coming, that is, perpetual immigration including from Muhammadan lands of the Middle East given their blind lust for power and need to fill democrat voter registration rolls (we're still a bit overpopulated by republican voters, so...), and (2) gun-control, making sure that all 49-50 patrons/people who were executed or shot by the Muhammadan son of Afghanistan immigrants at the Pulse night club in Florida be unarmed, unable to carry any firearms under the generalization that if a gay guy tried to shoot back at the terrorist, he just would've shot another gay guy, and we can't have a Wild West situation, only politicians should get to have armed-guards, beyond that, the rest of you should just be limited to "calling the police" when there's trouble (it's for your own good!), etc.Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PMIf we can survive two Bushes, we can survive Trump. I'm not too worried either way.I'm a white male, I have nothing to fear from Trump OR Clinton. But the LGBT people I know? They have something to fear from Trump. And people of color, and Muslims, and other minority groups as well, potentially. Those are the folks I'm worried about. I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for them.
How about holding immigration from at least Saudi Arabia (you know, where most of the 9/11 terrorists were imported from) hostage until they abolish the death penalty for same-sex couples or atheists ? Can we get any bipartisan support on that ?? Or would that be asking too much for our supposed Muhammadan "friends" over there ? Nope, guess we can't... Nevermind.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 07/28/2016, 12:55 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 07/28/2016, 12:55 AM
Speak of the devil with WikiLeaks just now! So it's official that the DNC's voicemail system was hacked. Heh.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/wikileaks-pushes-leaked-dnc-voicemails-226344 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/wikileaks-pushes-leaked-dnc-voicemails-226344)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/27/wikileaks-releases-hacked-dnc-voicemails/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/27/wikileaks-releases-hacked-dnc-voicemails/)
QuoteOn the night President Obama and Vice Presidential nominee Tim Kaine were scheduled to speak to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, the anti-secrecy whistle-blower group released hacked voicemails of top Democratic officials.http://youtu.be/lXk4E_LS33Q
Wikileaks put up a page containing 29 mp3 files of calls, identified by phone number, running approximately 14 minutes combined.
None of the messages listened to by The Washington Times contained anything immediately obvious as embarrassing or incriminating.
However, the very fact the DNC voicemail system has been hacked is embarrassing and could augur the release of far more damaging material later.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/wikileaks-pushes-leaked-dnc-voicemails-226344 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/wikileaks-pushes-leaked-dnc-voicemails-226344)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/27/wikileaks-releases-hacked-dnc-voicemails/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/27/wikileaks-releases-hacked-dnc-voicemails/)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 07/29/2016, 09:48 PM
Post by: spenoza on 07/29/2016, 09:48 PM
Wow, there is some deep, deep rabbit hole conspiracy lovin' in here. Scary stuff.
Title: Re: Billary for president!!!
Post by: NightWolve on 07/29/2016, 11:17 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 07/29/2016, 11:17 PM
Billary for president!
(https://i.imgur.com/wFovN4O.gif)
http://youtu.be/Hd4NH9jKNas
Hell of a twitch or whatever that was! :lol:
(https://i.imgur.com/wFovN4O.gif)
http://youtu.be/Hd4NH9jKNas
Hell of a twitch or whatever that was! :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 07/30/2016, 03:02 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 07/30/2016, 03:02 AM
Quote from: Nulltard on 07/29/2016, 11:39 PMSo hard right nowI would've posted this in the Random thread, but continuing on your theme... ;) So in a rare, VERY RARE, public, affectionate display of bipartisanship, THIS happened:
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/Sephiroth1975/Funny/MichelleBushObamaHappyFamily.jpg)
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: Billary for president!!!
Post by: DeshDildo on 07/30/2016, 06:32 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 07/30/2016, 06:32 AM
Quote from: NightWolve on 07/29/2016, 11:17 PMBillary for president!I'm thinking if Hillary opened her mouth like that more often there wouldn't have been nearly as many scandals in Bill's past.
(https://i.imgur.com/wFovN4O.gif)
http://youtu.be/Hd4NH9jKNas
Hell of a twitch or whatever that was! :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jperryss on 07/30/2016, 07:09 AM
Post by: jperryss on 07/30/2016, 07:09 AM
Quote from: NightWolve on 07/29/2016, 11:17 PMHell of a twitch or whatever that was! :lol:Acid kicked in.
(https://i.redd.it/rb82wu7sx6cx.gif)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 12:14 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 12:14 AM
Quote from: guest on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PMLGBT - Trump specifically said that he wants to protect LGBTQ citizens from foreign ideologies that seek to kill them. When GOP delegates applauded, Trump off-the-cuff thanked them for applauding that. He has also said that gay marriage is "the law of the land" and on the Apprentice, he certainly seemed comfortable dealing with gay people. So I really don't know why LGBT people have something to fear from Trump. If the fear is simply because he represents the Republican party, consider this:Quote from: OldRover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PMIf we can survive two Bushes, we can survive Trump. I'm not too worried either way.I'm a white male, I have nothing to fear from Trump OR Clinton. But the LGBT people I know? They have something to fear from Trump. And people of color, and Muslims, and other minority groups as well, potentially. Those are the folks I'm worried about. I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for them.
Hillary Clinton will never convince diehard Republicans to change their views of gay people. She is the enemy. The only person in this election cycle who can influence Republican minds is Trump -- and he is by far the most pro-LGBT Republican who has ever run for this office.
People of color - Trump wants to reduce inner-city crime (which is on the rise over the last two years, not on the decline) and provide education choice. He also wants to stop illegal immigration, which disproportionately hurts people of color. I don't know why they would fear Trump. If anything, they should fear Hillary. She is operating under the assumption that crime is down, she thinks Americans have never had it so good, and she has close ties to the teachers' unions that oppose education choice (her personal view is hard to discern, which I interpret as not really having one). Hillary also wants to increase the number of low-education workers in the country via immigration/refugees/maybe-amnesty, which again, disproportionately hurts people of color. And look at cities that have had multiple generations of Democrat mayors: Detroit (poverty) and Chicago (crime). Long-term Democrat influence has not been beneficial to people of color.
Muslims - I understand why they would fear Trump. That being said, he has softened his view to instead look at the specific countries that people are coming from. However, muslims still fear how they will be viewed by Americans-at-large. That being said, Americans will continue to be suspicious of muslims as long as ISIS is around, no matter who is president. So really the question is: who will do a better job at containing/stopping ISIS?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DildoKKKobold on 07/31/2016, 04:38 AM
Post by: DildoKKKobold on 07/31/2016, 04:38 AM
Quote from: NightWolve on 07/29/2016, 11:17 PMhttp://youtu.be/Hd4NH9jKNasActually, its pretty sad if she has epilepsy. I dislike Hillary immensely, but I wouldn't wish epilepsy on anyone, even my worst enemy.
Interestingly, some historians also believed Julius Caesar had epilepsy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 07/31/2016, 07:15 AM
Post by: esteban on 07/31/2016, 07:15 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 12:14 AMTrolling at its finest.Quote from: guest on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PMLGBT - Trump specifically said that he wants to protect LGBTQ citizens from foreign ideologies that seek to kill them. When GOP delegates applauded, Trump off-the-cuff thanked them for applauding that. He has also said that gay marriage is "the law of the land" and on the Apprentice, he certainly seemed comfortable dealing with gay people. So I really don't know why LGBT people have something to fear from Trump. If the fear is simply because he represents the Republican party, consider this:Quote from: OldRover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PMIf we can survive two Bushes, we can survive Trump. I'm not too worried either way.I'm a white male, I have nothing to fear from Trump OR Clinton. But the LGBT people I know? They have something to fear from Trump. And people of color, and Muslims, and other minority groups as well, potentially. Those are the folks I'm worried about. I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for them.
Hillary Clinton will never convince diehard Republicans to change their views of gay people. She is the enemy. The only person in this election cycle who can influence Republican minds is Trump -- and he is by far the most pro-LGBT Republican who has ever run for this office.
People of color - Trump wants to reduce inner-city crime (which is on the rise over the last two years, not on the decline) and provide education choice. He also wants to stop illegal immigration, which disproportionately hurts people of color. I don't know why they would fear Trump. If anything, they should fear Hillary. She is operating under the assumption that crime is down, she thinks Americans have never had it so good, and she has close ties to the teachers' unions that oppose education choice (her personal view is hard to discern, which I interpret as not really having one). Hillary also wants to increase the number of low-education workers in the country via immigration/refugees/maybe-amnesty, which again, disproportionately hurts people of color. And look at cities that have had multiple generations of Democrat mayors: Detroit (poverty) and Chicago (crime). Long-term Democrat influence has not been beneficial to people of color.
Muslims - I understand why they would fear Trump. That being said, he has softened his view to instead look at the specific countries that people are coming from. However, muslims still fear how they will be viewed by Americans-at-large. That being said, Americans will continue to be suspicious of muslims as long as ISIS is around, no matter who is president. So really the question is: who will do a better job at containing/stopping ISIS?
Go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 07/31/2016, 10:29 AM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 07/31/2016, 10:29 AM
Quote from: esteban on 07/31/2016, 07:15 AM/46faa8632649169486f107b87a187846.jpgQuote from: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 12:14 AMTrolling at its finest.Quote from: guest on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PMLGBT - Trump specifically said that he wants to protect LGBTQ citizens from foreign ideologies that seek to kill them. When GOP delegates applauded, Trump off-the-cuff thanked them for applauding that. He has also said that gay marriage is "the law of the land" and on the Apprentice, he certainly seemed comfortable dealing with gay people. So I really don't know why LGBT people have something to fear from Trump. If the fear is simply because he represents the Republican party, consider this:Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/28/2016, 08:36 PMIf we can survive two Bushes, we can survive Trump. I'm not too worried either way.I'm a white male, I have nothing to fear from Trump OR Clinton. But the LGBT people I know? They have something to fear from Trump. And people of color, and Muslims, and other minority groups as well, potentially. Those are the folks I'm worried about. I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for them.
Hillary Clinton will never convince diehard Republicans to change their views of gay people. She is the enemy. The only person in this election cycle who can influence Republican minds is Trump -- and he is by far the most pro-LGBT Republican who has ever run for this office.
People of color - Trump wants to reduce inner-city crime (which is on the rise over the last two years, not on the decline) and provide education choice. He also wants to stop illegal immigration, which disproportionately hurts people of color. I don't know why they would fear Trump. If anything, they should fear Hillary. She is operating under the assumption that crime is down, she thinks Americans have never had it so good, and she has close ties to the teachers' unions that oppose education choice (her personal view is hard to discern, which I interpret as not really having one). Hillary also wants to increase the number of low-education workers in the country via immigration/refugees/maybe-amnesty, which again, disproportionately hurts people of color. And look at cities that have had multiple generations of Democrat mayors: Detroit (poverty) and Chicago (crime). Long-term Democrat influence has not been beneficial to people of color.
Muslims - I understand why they would fear Trump. That being said, he has softened his view to instead look at the specific countries that people are coming from. However, muslims still fear how they will be viewed by Americans-at-large. That being said, Americans will continue to be suspicious of muslims as long as ISIS is around, no matter who is president. So really the question is: who will do a better job at containing/stopping ISIS?
Go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 10:45 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 10:45 AM
Quote from: esteban on 07/31/2016, 07:15 AMI see that you have no real response. Your inability to counter reinforces my belief that I am right. Thanks for the affirmation.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 12:14 AMTrolling at its finest.Quote from: guest on 07/27/2016, 09:34 PMI'm a white male, I have nothing to fear from Trump OR Clinton. But the LGBT people I know? They have something to fear from Trump. And people of color, and Muslims, and other minority groups as well, potentially. Those are the folks I'm worried about. I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for them.LGBT - Trump specifically said that he wants to protect LGBTQ citizens from foreign ideologies that seek to kill them. When GOP delegates applauded, Trump off-the-cuff thanked them for applauding that. He has also said that gay marriage is "the law of the land" and on the Apprentice, he certainly seemed comfortable dealing with gay people. So I really don't know why LGBT people have something to fear from Trump. If the fear is simply because he represents the Republican party, consider this:
Hillary Clinton will never convince diehard Republicans to change their views of gay people. She is the enemy. The only person in this election cycle who can influence Republican minds is Trump -- and he is by far the most pro-LGBT Republican who has ever run for this office.
People of color - Trump wants to reduce inner-city crime (which is on the rise over the last two years, not on the decline) and provide education choice. He also wants to stop illegal immigration, which disproportionately hurts people of color. I don't know why they would fear Trump. If anything, they should fear Hillary. She is operating under the assumption that crime is down, she thinks Americans have never had it so good, and she has close ties to the teachers' unions that oppose education choice (her personal view is hard to discern, which I interpret as not really having one). Hillary also wants to increase the number of low-education workers in the country via immigration/refugees/maybe-amnesty, which again, disproportionately hurts people of color. And look at cities that have had multiple generations of Democrat mayors: Detroit (poverty) and Chicago (crime). Long-term Democrat influence has not been beneficial to people of color.
Muslims - I understand why they would fear Trump. That being said, he has softened his view to instead look at the specific countries that people are coming from. However, muslims still fear how they will be viewed by Americans-at-large. That being said, Americans will continue to be suspicious of muslims as long as ISIS is around, no matter who is president. So really the question is: who will do a better job at containing/stopping ISIS?
Go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 12:55 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 12:55 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/31/2016, 11:48 AMI agree with Emerald Rocker... Except for stuff re: Mexican rapists, middle easterners, abortionThank you for agreeing with me about LGBT and people of color. I'd like to address the new points that you bring up.
re: Mexican rapists building their own wall -- Donald Trump wants the failed country of Mexico to build the wall. Whether rapists build it or whether honest citizens build it, I don't think he cares. He just wants something in place to protect American citizens from (1) the violence spilling over the border from Mexico and (2) the hard drugs that are crossing the border and making their way all the way up to New Hampshire. If the Mexican government were actually able to defend its own citizens from the drug cartels, then you wouldn't hear him calling for a wall because it wouldn't be needed. Talk to people in Mexico -- they hate Trump in one breath, and confirm that he's right in the next. Bodies are dumped in broad daylight, buses are pulled over by cartels (passengers robbed or raped), muggings and home invasions are rampant, and Mexicans who try to stand up to corruption are assassinated in grisly fashion (their bodies are put on display). One town actually decided to kick out its entire police force -- because they knew the police are corrupt. If Mexico were a middle-eastern country, then Obama and Hillary Clinton would totally be in favor of regime change. But since it's our neighbor and there are political points to be earned, I guess they aren't interested.
re: Muslims -- I already addressed that one, but I'll add a bit more. No one (other than you) has said that people must carry an ID to prove they aren't muslims. I do understand why muslims fear Trump. His actual ideas on this subject are controversial enough. People like you spreading false stories doesn't help.
re: abortion -- Donald Trump's stance (when asked the hypothetical question "if abortion were criminalized, should women be punished?") was the logical, common-sense extension of conservative anti-abortion policy. That was his mistake -- he tried to apply common sense to political beliefs. Everyone proceeded to tell him that he was wrong (even though he was right, if you believe the pro-life rhetoric). Trump changed his position, which proves that he can listen and take advice. He then proceeded to try and *soften* the official Republican position on abortion by making exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. The Republican party rejected this change, even though most Republican voters agree with it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 07/31/2016, 01:32 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 07/31/2016, 01:32 PM
Trump's tax plan is where he loses me. I have read about 10 independent studies which state it will do damage to our economy. Reagan was a disaster in this regard, Trump will be worse. You cannot collect less revenue and expect for stuff to be magically paid for. Look at California that went from deficit under Republican leadership to large surplus under Democrat leadership. It is just common sense, ask for money, be able to pay for more stuff... it pains me that relatively smart people have been tricked to believe this is fake. I predict Emerald Rocker will have some point to prove cutting taxes makes long term sense, and I predict that it will be one of the many points I have heard before and has been proven incorrect via not only study, but also in practice (ie - California).
The abortion thing is my second strong point of contention.
If Trump's tax plan wasn't abysmal, I would vote for the guy because I think I like him more than Hillary is most places. However, his tax plan is such a bad idea, it overshadows everything else which is good about him or bad about Hillary.
The abortion thing is my second strong point of contention.
If Trump's tax plan wasn't abysmal, I would vote for the guy because I think I like him more than Hillary is most places. However, his tax plan is such a bad idea, it overshadows everything else which is good about him or bad about Hillary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 02:18 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 02:18 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/31/2016, 01:32 PMYou cannot collect less revenue and expect for stuff to be magically paid for. Look at California that went from deficit under Republican leadership to large surplus under Democrat leadership. It is just common sense, ask for money, be able to pay for more stuff...In California, Jerry Brown deserves a lot of credit. Many businesses had left California already, so he managed to squeeze a surplus out of an already-weakened state. He didn't just raise taxes -- he also significantly cut budget, including cuts to welfare and state medical programs. To stay within budget, he needs to make sure businesses stay in California. The $15 minimum wage passed in California earlier this year is going to hurt. To Brown's credit, he knew that. To his discredit, he signed off on it anyway. That will probably turn out to be tough for his successor.
But to your point, tax percentage is one piece of an equation. There are multiple ways to reach a productive result, and most states are able to stay within their budget. California under Jerry Brown is one example. Texas (no state income tax) is another example, as is New Hampshire (no state income tax, no sales tax). And then there's Illinois, which went from surplus under Republican leadership to a deficit under Democrat leadership. They raised taxes and still fell deeper into debt. So we have examples that go both ways.
I'm not going to say that Trump's tax plan will work. I don't know if it will work. But I do trust him to try and turn things around if he sees it not working. That's what CEOs do.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 07/31/2016, 11:32 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 07/31/2016, 11:32 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/31/2016, 04:38 AMWas it, or was she trying to be funny in an awkward "Hey, OMG you surprised me! Ease up, ease up!!" kinda way ? That seems possible too, but very weird. She also might've been a little "tipsy" after a few drinks, I dunno. Heh.Quote from: NightWolve on 07/29/2016, 11:17 PMhttp://youtu.be/Hd4NH9jKNasActually, its pretty sad if she has epilepsy. I dislike Hillary immensely, but I wouldn't wish epilepsy on anyone, even my worst enemy.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/31/2016, 01:32 PMReagan was a disaster in this regard, Trump will be worse. You cannot collect less revenue and expect for stuff to be magically paid for. Look at California that went from deficit under Republican leadership to large surplus under Democrat leadership. It is just common sense, ask for money, be able to pay for more stuff...Reagan had to work with a democrat-run House on budgets during his terms in office. A budget bill has to begin in the House per its power of the purse, and democrats controlled the House for all 8 years of his presidency, republicans controlled the Senate for 6 years, and in his final 2 years as president, democrats regained full control of Congress which is when most of the gridlock kicked in.
Now the House has to work at some level with the president or face his veto unless enough majorities exist to override it. The significant top tax rate reductions from ~70% to ~30% which he is known for occurred in his first term when republicans won the Senate, the first time they gained a majority in a branch of Congress since 1953. He wanted to push back against big government-spending, liberate the private sector/economy from oppressive ultra-high taxation rates, challenge the Soviet Communist Union with the additional goal of liberation for millions of Europeans, and I think he was successful in that regard.
You say he was a disaster purely on spending (outgoing) versus taxation (ingoing), but his gambles led to great economic growth/expansion in the 90's, and the Reagan revolution after he left office where republicans captured the House for the first time in 40 years leading to meaningful spending cuts/reforms where you eventually saw surpluses for several years before 9/11 and Bush. I suppose you'd prefer to just credit B.J. "Bubba" Clinton for those surpluses, but it mainly happened because of Newt Gingrich's GOP leadership and forcing spending compromises that you normally can't get from democrats. Clinton vetoed serious reductions to favored democrat social programs though and you had a shutdown standoff as we had under Obama, but you did get bipartisan efforts with meaningful welfare reform (which Obama reversed) and other cuts, just as it was with Reagan having to work with House democrats until they gained the Senate in his last 2 years.
Both Reagan and Clinton agreed to push the tax rates a little bit back upwards to refine the budgeting (and Bush senior inbetween), but we're far better off from that ultra-high tax era inherited from World War II where you had 90% outright theft tax brackets until JFK brought it down to 70%, and then Reagan with his "great leap downward" battle of economic liberation to ~30%... Confiscatory Marxist tax thieving-scheming buttholes have been butthurt ever since of course...
Anyway, that said, I don't see how Trump will allegedly be worse if Congress stays in republican hands because the GOP will be able to go for meaningful spending reductions simultaneously. And if democrats take over at least the Senate (which is a possibility), you'll just have gridlock and little if anything meaningful/significant will get passed.
I don't believe in the big-government or the big-socialist state view/inclination that spending levels are always justified, "just trust them," that there's no waste, fraud and abuse, that all spending levels are just too important, too "precious" and cannot be cut/reduced, that we must tax our way out of it, yadda yadda, etc. Bullshit, they're the provable disaster, they piss away trillions without batting an eye... $300 to $600 millions of dollars to build f*cking websites, NEVER before happened in the history of the country or IT that it cost that much to build some database-driven shopping-cart website (for insurance policies in their case)... I can hire a few Nulltard's for $50,000 to a million in the WORST possible case to build a damn website like that!
For some, actually, their thoughts about "Making America Great Again!" *would* be to go back to pre-Reagan, JFK 70% or FDR 90% tax rates... I believe Bernie Sanders said as much at one point... But things have hovered between that 30-40% range ever since and hopefully big-government tax-and-spend extremists of that level will never succeed again.
Quote from: guest on 07/31/2016, 11:48 AMExcept if you consider the case of the Mexican rapists who will pay to build a wall to keep themselves out.Amnesty International reported 60% of women illegally crossing the Mexican border say they were raped along the way... The later report Trump was going by says 80% and the perpetrators can be coyotes (those who smuggle them in), fellow male migrants, bandits, or government authorities. Now, the trick by Far Left hacks is to distort what Trump said as 100%/ALL of the male Mexicans breaking into the country are rapists in order to intimidate him from reporting this fact in the future, using it to clamp down on illegal immigration (can't say no to democrats, those are future democrat voters/welfare recipients by and large after all) and painting/libeling him as a racist, xenophobe, bigot, etc. to cost him the Latino vote. It's Politics 101. The southern border should be under control for many reasons, WE should get to control who comes in and at what rates (like Mexico itself does on its own southern border), not the other way around, the person who wants to break-in gets to decide willy nilly, etc...
http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/ (http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR41/014/2010/en/8459f0ac-03ce-4302-8bd2-3305bdae9cde/amr410142010eng.pdf (http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/AMR41/014/2010/en/8459f0ac-03ce-4302-8bd2-3305bdae9cde/amr410142010eng.pdf)
Quote from: NulltardAnd of course there are the disgusting women, who bleed out of wherever,* To be fair, he was only insulting Rosie O'Donnell as "disgusting" and someone who "talks like a truck driver" (which bothered me as an insult to truck drivers and my dad actually was one) after she started a feud, attacking him for not firing a Miss USA winner (her whole attack was weird, Trump just said he believes in second chances, but she trashed him anyway for his personal problems, as if he fired her and was taking a moral high ground). It's unjust to take a feud with one person cause she happens to be a woman, make it plural to then generalize it as if it was against an entire gender somehow. Rosie is a 9/11 inside-job conspiracy "truther" troll/nut (Bush knocked down the towers!) like Charlie Sheen and she is disgusting for that at least, I have zero respect for her.
* On the same interview where Trump used the expression about Megan Kelly being angry, "having blood coming out of her eyes or wherever," just minutes later, he also said Chris Wallace had "blood coming out of his eyes also," a male host in that same Fox News panel. However, Far Left hacks ever opportunistic just seized upon the expression against Kelly to build up the anti-women narrative and hopefully cost him some female vote. That the expression was used on Chris Wallace is virtually unknown given what the news press focused on. He did respond to the claims that the "wherever" part of the expression *must* mean he was insinuating she was on her menstrual period, but he referred to people claiming that as "deviants," only a deviant would put that thought into the expression and that in his mind it was eyes, nose, ears, etc. That's partisanship for ya though, if you hate him, you'll assign the worst possible meaning when he's not careful and says something ambiguous that lends itself to "fill-in-the-blank-with-whatever."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sparky on 08/01/2016, 12:03 AM
Post by: Sparky on 08/01/2016, 12:03 AM
Trump or Hilary? It's bananas, if trump wins make sure you watch the movie " The Road"
This Canadian loves you guys but going to head north when trump gets in.
This Canadian loves you guys but going to head north when trump gets in.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 08/01/2016, 01:29 AM
Post by: esteban on 08/01/2016, 01:29 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 10:45 AMI see that you have no real response. Your inability to counter reinforces my belief that I am right. Thanks for the affirmation.Actually, it was the most dignified response possible.
Two scenarios:
(1) You are sincere. If so, then we shouldn't waste our time arguing, since we are diametrically opposed.
(2) You are having a bit of fun and trying to creatively rationalize Trump's overtly racist, xenophobic, anti-democratic, nativist, misogynistic, etc. talking points—talking points because he has no viable plans/policies, nor does he have a genuine understanding of how social, political, economic, etc. issues are created and solved in *reality*.
See? I gave you credit for being a troll (scenario #2), because scenario #1 is rather an insult. To sincerely support Trump is to be... special. That's the nicest way to label it.
:)
By the way, you know me: I'll debate issues anytime. I don't care about the personalities of politicians. That's bullshit. I care about the policies.
You also know that, like most reasonable folks, Bill Clinton represented nothing more than Republican Lite—the damage his policies caused (dismantling social welfare, for starters) still haunts us today. Hilary = Republican Lite.
America is a sad, confused mess of pain.
The fact that the weakest, most vulnerable groups in society are routinely stigmatized, exploited and scapegoated is simply wrong.
We see things very differently, Emerald Rocker.
At least we can find common ground in TG-16/PCE :)
THERE IS HOPE
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 08/01/2016, 02:03 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 08/01/2016, 02:03 AM
Quote from: esteban on 08/01/2016, 01:29 AMTo sincerely support Trump is to be... special. That's the nicest way to label it.Or it means you can't or don't support the democrats and their platform/ideas for the country, and it's the same republican vote that would've occurred regardless. I think a healthy % of democrats will be pulling the lever for Hillary "You-f*cking-Jew-bastard!" Clinton (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jul/18/uselections2000.usa) without sincerity as they would've done so for any other democrat, and as part of the usual anti-republican vote, but would've preferred someone less corrupt, dishonest, criminal, and pretty much a general failure or mediocre in all her years of government service. At least republicans dispatched another Bush, Mr. "First my father, then my brother, now me, it's my turn, my turn, vote for me!" and we hoped democrats would finally dispatch the Clinton Crime Family, but alas, the great "old white guy" hope that was Bernie Sanders failed, he got close though.
That is the lesser of 2 evils choice, I could stay home or vote for Trump who I think has been pretty interesting and entertaining to watch, but I'm certainly not gonna flip and vote for the other party's platform just because of rude or questionable comments here and there on his part. There are Supreme Court vacancies coming up and Clinton or Trump will be determining its future for another generation, so I'm not staying home come election time. The primary made its choices, so that's what we're stuck with. The 3rd party votes are still mostly throwaway votes in this country (versus parliamentary systems in other countries), but if you still wanna vote exactly your conscience, it's up to you.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 08/01/2016, 12:01 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 08/01/2016, 12:01 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 08/01/2016, 02:03 AM13% disagrees with you. And CNN is hosting a Libertarian Town Hall with Anderson Cooper.Quote from: esteban on 08/01/2016, 01:29 AMTo sincerely support Trump is to be... special. That's the nicest way to label it.Or it means you can't or don't support the democrats and their platform/ideas for the country, and it's the same republican vote that would've occurred regardless. I think a healthy % of democrats will be pulling the lever for Hillary "You-f*cking-Jew-bastard!" Clinton (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jul/18/uselections2000.usa) without sincerity as they would've done so for any other democrat, and as part of the usual anti-republican vote, but would've preferred someone less corrupt, dishonest, criminal, and pretty much a general failure or mediocre in all her years of government service. At least republicans dispatched another Bush, Mr. "First my father, then my brother, now me, it's my turn, my turn, vote for me!" and we hoped democrats would finally dispatch the Clinton Crime Family, but alas, the great "old white guy" hope that was Bernie Sanders failed, he got close though.
That is the lesser of 2 evils choice, I could stay home or vote for Trump who I think has been pretty interesting and entertaining to watch, but I'm certainly not gonna flip and vote for the other party's platform just because of rude or questionable comments here and there on his part. There are Supreme Court vacancies coming up and Clinton or Trump will be determining its future for another generation, so I'm not staying home come election time. The primary made its choices, so that's what we're stuck with. The 3rd party votes are still mostly throwaway votes in this country (versus parliamentary systems in other countries), but if you still wanna vote exactly your conscience, it's up to you.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/libertarian-town-hall-gary-johnson-william-weld/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/libertarian-town-hall-gary-johnson-william-weld/index.html)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/01/2016, 12:06 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/01/2016, 12:06 PM
"I've built buildings and employed people while making billions of dollars! Talk about sacrifice!!!!"
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 07/31/2016, 02:18 PMI'm not going to say that Trump's tax plan will work. I don't know if it will work. But I do trust him to try and turn things around if he sees it not working. That's what CEOs do.Or they declare bankruptcy and leave everyone else holding the bag.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/01/2016, 12:17 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/01/2016, 12:17 PM
I'm not voting for Trump because he doesn't have a god-damned clue what he's talking about. He makes it all up as he goes along. And when he's confronted with his contradictions, or you know...the actual truth, his ego forces him to continue spouting bullshit.
I get that people want someone who's not a career politician. Someone who will "shake things up" or whatever. But Trump is not that guy. He actually seems to be the opposite of what they want. He's a petulant blowhard taking the world along on his massive ego trip.
Trump is a thrice-married, admitted adulterer, elite east-coast trust-fund kid, "former" Democrat, (all things that conservatives supposedly hate). He's side-show carnival barker who can't properly form a complete sentence, speak beyond a 4th grade level or think beyond his simplistic impulses. He tosses out petty, childish insults (Lyin', Little, Crooked, Failing, Pocahontas, etc., etc., etc.), makes sweeping policy remarks without a second thought to their ramifications, and thinks of nobody but himself. Despite all of this, damn hypocrites have literally called him "God's chosen candidate".
He's a con man. A sham. Completely full of shit. And it's shocking to me how many people are unable or (more likely) unwilling to see through it. I have found that some people would rather shoot themselves in the face rather than concede that the candidate of their party is a complete and utter fool.
His wall will never happen, nor will his ban on Muslims, nor will 90% of the other bullshit, half-assed "policies" he's "proposed". They are nothing more than soundbites to stir up shit with the dim-witted, fear-based ignoramuses who adore him.
And before anybody responds, "But Hillary duhr, durh, durh!" I will tell you that's a child's response. Nevermind the fact that I am not a fan of Hillary and am probably not voting at all because where I live, it's already been decided. But to respond in that way is equal to "I know you are but what am I?" This is about Trump.
And Nightwolve, I in no way want to pick a fight with you because I know from experience how futile of an endeavor that is. (Plus, you're a cool guy). But in my opinion, it goes far beyond a "couple" rude or questionable comments. The guy is a dangerous and willfully ignorant ego-maniac, far more than any "real" politician I've ever seen. And regarding Supreme Court justices, we've had an opening for, what, six months? The whole process is fucked anyway, so let's just hold off another four years and hope for decent candidates.
I get that people want someone who's not a career politician. Someone who will "shake things up" or whatever. But Trump is not that guy. He actually seems to be the opposite of what they want. He's a petulant blowhard taking the world along on his massive ego trip.
Trump is a thrice-married, admitted adulterer, elite east-coast trust-fund kid, "former" Democrat, (all things that conservatives supposedly hate). He's side-show carnival barker who can't properly form a complete sentence, speak beyond a 4th grade level or think beyond his simplistic impulses. He tosses out petty, childish insults (Lyin', Little, Crooked, Failing, Pocahontas, etc., etc., etc.), makes sweeping policy remarks without a second thought to their ramifications, and thinks of nobody but himself. Despite all of this, damn hypocrites have literally called him "God's chosen candidate".
He's a con man. A sham. Completely full of shit. And it's shocking to me how many people are unable or (more likely) unwilling to see through it. I have found that some people would rather shoot themselves in the face rather than concede that the candidate of their party is a complete and utter fool.
His wall will never happen, nor will his ban on Muslims, nor will 90% of the other bullshit, half-assed "policies" he's "proposed". They are nothing more than soundbites to stir up shit with the dim-witted, fear-based ignoramuses who adore him.
And before anybody responds, "But Hillary duhr, durh, durh!" I will tell you that's a child's response. Nevermind the fact that I am not a fan of Hillary and am probably not voting at all because where I live, it's already been decided. But to respond in that way is equal to "I know you are but what am I?" This is about Trump.
And Nightwolve, I in no way want to pick a fight with you because I know from experience how futile of an endeavor that is. (Plus, you're a cool guy). But in my opinion, it goes far beyond a "couple" rude or questionable comments. The guy is a dangerous and willfully ignorant ego-maniac, far more than any "real" politician I've ever seen. And regarding Supreme Court justices, we've had an opening for, what, six months? The whole process is fucked anyway, so let's just hold off another four years and hope for decent candidates.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/01/2016, 01:09 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/01/2016, 01:09 PM
Quote from: esteban on 08/01/2016, 01:29 AM(2) You are having a bit of fun and trying to creatively rationalize Trump's overtly racist, xenophobic, anti-democratic, nativist, misogynistic, etc. talking pointstalking pointsI suspect you're trolling *me* now. I'll respond anyway.
Through years of abuse by hyper-sensitive judgmentalists (a truly annoying combination of personality traits), the term "racist" has lost its punch. For years, people have accused others of non-existent racism to the point that it's a joke. Whenever my friends disagree with something, we start by shouting "RACIST!" It's kind of like shouting "OBJECTION!" except funnier.
The desire to secure national borders is not racist. The desire to stop illegal immigration from Mexico is not racist. "Mexican" can either refer to nationality or heritage. It is not a race. There are many races represented within Mexico. I want the border secured from all illegal immigration -- that includes white Mexicans who illegally try to cross. It's a matter of prioritizing the welfare of citizens above the welfare of non-citizens. All citizens -- of all colors.
If you call Trump racist because of that, then you are also calling me racist, because I agree with him that we need stronger security on the southern border. We need it on the southern border because that is where the failed country sits. I don't care what color 30%, 50%, 70% of its citizens are. Mexico is a den of drug cartels and I don't want that spilling in.
Similarly, the word "misogynist" has lost its meaning. It used to mean dislike/hatred of women. Now it is just another buzzword that people use when they don't like a particular thing that someone said, or don't like the way they phrased it. Making a rude comment towards a woman does not make someone a misogynist. Adhering to traditions that have been contemporarily deemed sexist does not make someone a misogynist. Believing that life is sacred -- and adopting a pro-life position because of it -- does not make someone a misogynist. It means there's a philosophical disagreement. That's different from misogyny.
Nowadays, when I hear someone referred to as a "racist", my gut reaction is: "that person is not racist." When I hear someone referred to as a "misogynist", my gut reaction is: "that person is not a misogynist". That's what happens when epithets are so often misapplied.
In conclusion, Blodia is a travesty that was developed by a team of misogynist racists.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/01/2016, 01:41 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/01/2016, 01:41 PM
Yeah I don't get what's racist about actually enforcing current US law.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/01/2016, 01:57 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/01/2016, 01:57 PM
I don't really care about it being racist or not. It's much more disconcerting that he thinks it can be built far quicker and cheaper than the fences and walls that Bush built, that it'd make a difference (has he not heard of ladders and tunnels?), and that he can make Mexico pay for it.
Pure fantasy.
Pure fantasy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 08/01/2016, 10:50 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 08/01/2016, 10:50 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/01/2016, 12:03 AMTrump or Hilary? It's bananas, if trump wins make sure you watch the movie " The Road"Everyone says they are going to Canada if Trump wins, not a one says they are going to Mexico. Geee I wonder why.....
This Canadian loves you guys but going to head north when trump gets in.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 08/01/2016, 11:57 PM
Post by: Gredler on 08/01/2016, 11:57 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 08/01/2016, 10:50 PMMexico is bad ass, and I plan on retiring there. Canada is only good for hockey, and even then it's too cold for roller hockey. Beach hockey down south is the shiznitQuote from: guest on 08/01/2016, 12:03 AMTrump or Hilary? It's bananas, if trump wins make sure you watch the movie " The Road"Everyone says they are going to Canada if Trump wins, not a one says they are going to Mexico. Geee I wonder why.....
This Canadian loves you guys but going to head north when trump gets in.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 08/02/2016, 09:22 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 08/02/2016, 09:22 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 08/01/2016, 10:50 PMWell the beheading thing and drug war for starters lol. At least tequlia is cheap in Mexico.Quote from: guest on 08/01/2016, 12:03 AMTrump or Hilary? It's bananas, if trump wins make sure you watch the movie " The Road"Everyone says they are going to Canada if Trump wins, not a one says they are going to Mexico. Geee I wonder why.....
This Canadian loves you guys but going to head north when trump gets in.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 09/09/2016, 07:14 PM
Post by: Otaking on 09/09/2016, 07:14 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/09/2016, 11:34 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/09/2016, 11:34 PM
I have to agree that both candidates are pathetic. If Clinton loses, the DNC can only blame themselves. They had a shoe in candidate in their hands and they intentionally forced it the other way. The Republicans have no idea what to do. They let their mess get so far out of hand that now they dont have a frickin clue what to do. Half of the GOP doesn't want to support Trump, the other half know's hes terrible. But its what they have to work with now.
I will be voting this year, but I suspect I wont be marking anyone for the presidency. I'll be focussed on down ballot candidates and local issues. Colorado Amendment 69 is the one I'll be watching the closest.
The quick and dirty on Amendment 69... statewide healthcare for all paid for by a 10% payroll tax (3.33% employee 6.66% employer) Every analysis done on the proposal says it will work great and save plenty of money both for consumers and businesses. The only people it will hurt are insurance companies and employers who dont already provide or subsidize healthcare for their employees (ie: cheapasses) You know its a good idea when the insurance companies are dumping MILLIONS to fight it. They know that if it passes, it will work and then other states will follow suit. Kind of like the marijuana thing. We pioneered it now other states are looking at it and starting to come around on the issue.
I will be voting this year, but I suspect I wont be marking anyone for the presidency. I'll be focussed on down ballot candidates and local issues. Colorado Amendment 69 is the one I'll be watching the closest.
The quick and dirty on Amendment 69... statewide healthcare for all paid for by a 10% payroll tax (3.33% employee 6.66% employer) Every analysis done on the proposal says it will work great and save plenty of money both for consumers and businesses. The only people it will hurt are insurance companies and employers who dont already provide or subsidize healthcare for their employees (ie: cheapasses) You know its a good idea when the insurance companies are dumping MILLIONS to fight it. They know that if it passes, it will work and then other states will follow suit. Kind of like the marijuana thing. We pioneered it now other states are looking at it and starting to come around on the issue.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 09/09/2016, 11:34 PMI have to agree that both candidates are pathetic. If Clinton loses, the DNC can only blame themselves. They had a shoe in candidate in their hands and they intentionally forced it the other way. The Republicans have no idea what to do. They let their mess get so far out of hand that now they dont have a frickin clue what to do. Half of the GOP doesn't want to support Trump, the other half know's hes terrible. But its what they have to work with now.Trump is not a republican. He's s populist. A vote for him is a referendum on the broken system we have. Hillary is the very definition of corruption and pay for play. She's completely naked now it she will lose. Trump isn't the best answer but how fun would it be to have a man that won't be beholden to anyone but himself.
I will be voting this year, but I suspect I wont be marking anyone for the presidency. I'll be focussed on down ballot candidates and local issues. Colorado Amendment 69 is the one I'll be watching the closest.
The quick and dirty on Amendment 69... statewide healthcare for all paid for by a 10% payroll tax (3.33% employee 6.66% employer) Every analysis done on the proposal says it will work great and save plenty of money both for consumers and businesses. The only people it will hurt are insurance companies and employers who dont already provide or subsidize healthcare for their employees (ie: cheapasses) You know its a good idea when the insurance companies are dumping MILLIONS to fight it. They know that if it passes, it will work and then other states will follow suit. Kind of like the marijuana thing. We pioneered it now other states are looking at it and starting to come around on the issue.
Typical liberal stand is that he's too mean or he'll launch all the nukes at once, they roll their eyes, make gaging noises, call everyone racist, build safe spaces, pretend Hillary is clean.
Get used to saying president trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/10/2016, 11:43 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/10/2016, 11:43 AM
Well if things get too dicey my uncle did offer to sponsor me moving to Australia. Only trouble there is the serious lack of snow down under.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 12:14 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 12:14 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 09/10/2016, 11:43 AMWell if things get too dicey my uncle did offer to sponsor me moving to Australia. Only trouble there is the serious lack of snow down under.Australia a good move. Huge area with only 20 million or so.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/10/2016, 06:34 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/10/2016, 06:34 PM
Highly unlikely we see a Trump presidency. Now if they let Johnson or Stein debate, then maybe, but without monetary reform it won't matter who wins.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/10/2016, 09:42 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/10/2016, 09:42 PM
Hillary Clinton called voters like me deplorable people because I have "racist" and "sexist" beliefs -- in other words, because I disagree with her. I was never going to vote for Clinton, but now I know that she has no intention of being my president. Her desperate effort to shame Trump supporters has just made me more public about my support. I will record a Youtube dance video when she loses (there's your incentive to vote for Trump right there).
BlueBMW, will Amendment 69 eliminate "insurance" in Colorado entirely? Like, does it mean that healthcare is directly paid for by the state government (and thus the insurance companies cease operations)?
BlueBMW, will Amendment 69 eliminate "insurance" in Colorado entirely? Like, does it mean that healthcare is directly paid for by the state government (and thus the insurance companies cease operations)?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/11/2016, 12:40 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/11/2016, 12:40 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 09/10/2016, 09:42 PMBlueBMW, will Amendment 69 eliminate "insurance" in Colorado entirely? Like, does it mean that healthcare is directly paid for by the state government (and thus the insurance companies cease operations)?All medical and dental related expenses will be paid directly by the state run program. The exception is Medicare, VA and Tricare recipients in which case the state will supplement those plans. There is no provision forcing insurance companies to cease operations. I suspect there would still be a small market for premium insurance plans but I don't know what they would cover or if they would even be viable. The way the plan states it is that any resident of any employment status or age would be covered. That tells me that no matter who you are, working or not, young or old you are covered by the plan.
It sounds like the only ones who lose are insurance companies, since while they can still operate may find they don't have nearly as many customers, and employers who currently do not contribute towards employee health insurance. Though it is also my understanding that it is expected that the IRS will allow the employer paid portion to be tax deductible. An extension of this is that the plan will also cover the medical portion of workers compensation which further reduces employer expenses.
Self employed may stand to see some change in costs as every non-employer income is also taxed at the 10%. This includes self employment, estate, etc. The tax is expected to deductible by the IRS however so the actual impact will be less than 10% and could very likely end up costing less than paying for conventional insurance.
As an side, the limits for income taxed for this are 350k for single filers and 450k for joint filers.
The system is exempt from the Colorado TABOR (Taxpayer Bill of Rights) laws which control how much tax can be collected and when tax can be increased. That said, any increase in the taxes for this system must be approved by a vote by registered Colorado votors.
This site does a pretty good job explaining it all without all the spin from proponents and opponents of the amendment:
http://colorado69.org/ (http://colorado69.org/)
EDIT: Apparently as far as what the system will pay providers...
"Medicare reimbursement rates will not be affected by ColoradoCare. Therefore, reimbursement for ColoradoCare patients is expected to be around 141% of the Medicare rate so that the average reimbursement rate to providers (of Medicare patients plus ColoradoCare patients) will be around 133% of the Medicare reimbursement rate."
133% was a target rate that is sustainable by the program and expected to be sufficient to attract and retain quality providers.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/11/2016, 12:47 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/11/2016, 12:47 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/10/2016, 08:16 PMEvo... Every time I believe you to be the most retarded creature on the planet, you go and affirm my belief.Doesn't matter what your belief is John. You offer jabs and constant anger but no real substance. We've seen you post and it's cute and all but what do you offer really? What does matter is that your house constantly floods with other peoples shit. Brings a smile to my face every time.
Thank you... Though I do tire of being right all the time. Surprise me and demonstrate an IQ point now and then.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/11/2016, 12:47 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/11/2016, 12:47 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 09/10/2016, 09:42 PMHillary Clinton called voters like me deplorable people because I have "racist" and "sexist" beliefs -- in other words, because I disagree with her. I was never going to vote for Clinton, but now I know that she has no intention of being my president. Her desperate effort to shame Trump supporters has just made me more public about my support. I will record a Youtube dance video when she loses (there's your incentive to vote for Trump right there).Geee I wonder if Nulltard will all you names for having a different opinion.
BlueBMW, will Amendment 69 eliminate "insurance" in Colorado entirely? Like, does it mean that healthcare is directly paid for by the state government (and thus the insurance companies cease operations)?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/11/2016, 01:18 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/11/2016, 01:18 PM
In other news, I tried to suggest Amendment 69 with my girlfriend last night and it did not go over well...
At least we are moving towards universal health care.
At least we are moving towards universal health care.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/11/2016, 01:22 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/11/2016, 01:22 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 09/11/2016, 01:18 PMIn other news, I tried to suggest Amendment 69 with my girlfriend last night and it did not go over well...Which is what it should have been in the first place. Obama care is falling under its own weight, and it's taxing poor people who cannot afford it.
At least we are moving towards universal health care.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/11/2016, 01:44 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/11/2016, 01:44 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/11/2016, 01:22 PMWhich is what it should have been in the first place. Obama care is falling under its own weight, and it's taxing poor people who cannot afford it.Its failiing because of the lack of a public option which the insurance companies made sure was taken out. Again they knew it would work and cost them money hence why the correct business decision was to spend enormous amounts of money to rewrite the law to their liking.
The one major plus so far with the ACA is the no pre-existing conditions part. People who were never able to get insurance are insured now. That alone was worth it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/11/2016, 02:34 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/11/2016, 02:34 PM
Obama will be a failure of a president to me because of Obamacare. I want a universal option and he was in a position to get that done based on democratic control early in his presidency. He buckled and came up with a half ass hybrid private/public option that no one is happy with. A true private universal option was within reach and Obama did not have the authority to get it done when everything was in his favor to do so.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/11/2016, 03:25 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/11/2016, 03:25 PM
The disintegration of ACA is why I can't get behind a federal public option -- too many special interests get in the pool and I can't trust it to be administered properly. Instead of a public option, ACA set up federally-funded co-ops... and more than half of those have gone out of business now. Competence is not the federal government's strength. I feel much better about a state program since that's regional and gives voters more power to shape how it operates. The idea that every state has to be the same frustrates me, so I'm glad to see Colorado taking steps towards doing something different.
The pre-existing exclusion in pre-ACA insurance policies was done to keep prices down. Remove that exclusion, and it's no surprise that prices are going up a lot. Coverage is never going to be both accessible and affordable until we solve for why medical costs are so high. In theory, insurance shouldn't even be a necessity -- it should be an optional purchase for catastrophic events only (in other words, it should be "insurance"). The fact that people without insurance are billed an exponentially higher rate for medical treatment than people who have insurance is bogus. Also the difference in medical treatment price from one insurance company to another is bogus. What the hospital charges should be what the hospital charges; it shouldn't be some fluid amount that customers can't understand.
Thanks for the link BlueBMW, I'll read up on it.
The pre-existing exclusion in pre-ACA insurance policies was done to keep prices down. Remove that exclusion, and it's no surprise that prices are going up a lot. Coverage is never going to be both accessible and affordable until we solve for why medical costs are so high. In theory, insurance shouldn't even be a necessity -- it should be an optional purchase for catastrophic events only (in other words, it should be "insurance"). The fact that people without insurance are billed an exponentially higher rate for medical treatment than people who have insurance is bogus. Also the difference in medical treatment price from one insurance company to another is bogus. What the hospital charges should be what the hospital charges; it shouldn't be some fluid amount that customers can't understand.
Thanks for the link BlueBMW, I'll read up on it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/12/2016, 11:14 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/12/2016, 11:14 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AMHillary is the very definition of corruption and pay for play....Unlike Trump. No nepotism or shady deals there, right?
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AMTrump isn't the best answer but how fun would it be to have a man that won't be beholden to anyone but himself........ and the foreign investors, particularly the Chinese and Russian ones.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AM.... pretend Hilary is clean.While you pretend that Trump is an angel? Your hypocrisy is showing, bruh.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Senshi on 09/12/2016, 12:00 PM
Post by: Senshi on 09/12/2016, 12:00 PM
lol at people who think expanding government will solve their problems. "Well gee if we just pass this law then we'll fix it", "if we just dump taxes into this program", "if we just tax weed we pay the deficit" blah blah blah. Yea and create 10 other problems for each you fix.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 09/12/2016, 01:12 PM
Post by: jtucci31 on 09/12/2016, 01:12 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/10/2016, 08:16 PMEvo... Every time I believe you to be the most retarded creature on the planet, you go and affirm my belief.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/12/2016, 02:50 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/12/2016, 02:50 PM
And people wonder why going third party is so attractive nowadays..
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/13/2016, 10:55 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/13/2016, 10:55 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/12/2016, 11:14 AMThe fact that Trump is close and/or winning in the poles shows just how weak a candidate Hillary is. All major news organizations report her record untrustworthiness. 30 years of abusing her power, pay for play, cover ups and lies, it's never ending. Trump cannot touch her level of corruption even MSNBC is taking shots at her. You think trump MAY have foreign influence while we know Hillary has been bought and sold by foreign powers. Trump has repeatedly bashed the Chinese and publicly stated he'll take apart the trade imbalance. Hillary sold uranium rights to our enemies for christs sake you have no argument.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AMHillary is the very definition of corruption and pay for play....Unlike Trump. No nepotism or shady deals there, right?Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AMTrump isn't the best answer but how fun would it be to have a man that won't be beholden to anyone but himself........ and the foreign investors, particularly the Chinese and Russian ones.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/10/2016, 11:18 AM.... pretend Hilary is clean.While you pretend that Trump is an angel? Your hypocrisy is showing, bruh.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/14/2016, 10:17 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/14/2016, 10:17 AM
I'm not claiming she's lily white, moron; I'm saying Trump is at least equally corrupt, full of shit, and contemptible.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/13/2016, 10:55 PMHillary sold uranium rights to our enemies for christs sake you have no argument.Take Trump's cock out of your mouth for ten minutes and educate yourself on how many other department heads had to sign off on the deal, how there's zero evidence that she tried to sway other signatories either way, and how the 'bribe' money was given years before the deal (before she was secretary of state). You're just embarrassing yourself parroting Trump's lies.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/14/2016, 11:38 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/14/2016, 11:38 AM
Quote from: guest on 09/14/2016, 10:17 AMI'm not claiming she's lily white, moron; I'm saying Trump is at least equally corrupt, full of shit, and contemptible.Ahh yes the insults of the butt-hurt. Typical. Trump has never made decisions that cost American lives, got us into a war with Iraq and the terrible decision to go into Libya with zero exit strategy. She's a foreign policy disaster and her only success is selling political power and influence and power to the highest bidders. Sorry can't sweep that uranium deal under the rug, certainly not paying Iran over 1 BILLION in cash to Iran, who are you defending really? I know you are not stupid enough to actually vote for her so who are you kidding?Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/13/2016, 10:55 PMHillary sold uranium rights to our enemies for christs sake you have no argument.Take Trump's cock out of your mouth for ten minutes and educate yourself on how many other department heads had to sign off on the deal, how there's zero evidence that she tried to sway other signatories either way, and how the 'bribe' money was given years before the deal (before she was secretary of state). You're just embarrassing yourself parroting Trump's lies.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/14/2016, 12:15 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/14/2016, 12:15 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/14/2016, 11:38 AMAhh yes the insults of the butt-hurt. Typical.They're not insults. You really are an idiot.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/14/2016, 11:38 AMTrump has never made decisions that cost American lives, got us into a war with Iraq and the terrible decision to go into Libya with zero exit strategy.True, he's never held public office. Instead he's spent his time losing investor's money, bribing public officials, discriminating against minorities, working with US and Russian mafia, embezzling money from his own foundation, illegally operating casinos, running scam universities, etc.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/14/2016, 11:38 AMSorry can't sweep that uranium deal under the rug, certainly not paying Iran over 1 BILLION in cash to Iran....Ignorance is bliss, right?
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/14/2016, 11:38 AMI know you are not stupid enough to actually vote for her so who are you kidding?Due to the long term damage he'd do to the Republican party (beyond what he's already done), I've said repeatedly that I'll vote for Hilary over Trump. Is that really so hard for you to understand and believe?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/14/2016, 08:15 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/14/2016, 08:15 PM
Jesus tap dancing Christ...
You cannot say Hillary is "crooked", corrupt, untrustworthy, and dangerous while using Donald Fucking Trump as your alternative. You just don't get to do that. Those are the fucking rules. You can literally use anybody else to make your point OTHER than that orange-skinned PT Barnum piece of shit. ANYONE.
I swear, some people would put up the reincarnated corpse of Adolf Hitler chewing on a baby Jew and their argument would be "Duhr! BENGHAZI!"
We get it. Hillary sucks. I can't argue with that. But like I said: literally anyone else. Trump's hill is not the hill you want to plant your flag on.
You cannot say Hillary is "crooked", corrupt, untrustworthy, and dangerous while using Donald Fucking Trump as your alternative. You just don't get to do that. Those are the fucking rules. You can literally use anybody else to make your point OTHER than that orange-skinned PT Barnum piece of shit. ANYONE.
I swear, some people would put up the reincarnated corpse of Adolf Hitler chewing on a baby Jew and their argument would be "Duhr! BENGHAZI!"
We get it. Hillary sucks. I can't argue with that. But like I said: literally anyone else. Trump's hill is not the hill you want to plant your flag on.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 09/14/2016, 08:22 PM
Post by: Gredler on 09/14/2016, 08:22 PM
We're fucked either way, and we have no say in what happens anyways, so why argue about it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/14/2016, 09:11 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/14/2016, 09:11 PM
Really Trump? Beat down by a pastor.
http://digg.com/video/reverend-faith-timmons-absolutely-shuts-down-donald-trump (http://digg.com/video/reverend-faith-timmons-absolutely-shuts-down-donald-trump)
http://digg.com/video/reverend-faith-timmons-absolutely-shuts-down-donald-trump (http://digg.com/video/reverend-faith-timmons-absolutely-shuts-down-donald-trump)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/15/2016, 02:46 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/15/2016, 02:46 AM
That's not a beat-down. Both the pastor and Trump handled it respectfully. If all misunderstandings and disagreements were cleared up so easily... then we wouldn't have Fighting Street.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 09/15/2016, 06:52 AM
Post by: esteban on 09/15/2016, 06:52 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 09/15/2016, 02:46 AMThat's not a beat-down. Both the pastor and Trump handled it respectfully. If all misunderstandings and disagreements were cleared up so easily... then we wouldn't have Fighting Street.This is true. :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/15/2016, 09:56 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/15/2016, 09:56 PM
Quote from: NecroPhileThey're not insults. You really are an idiot.Yeah but coming from you it's irrelevant. I've watched you bitch and lose your shit on many people on this site and other sites. You're taking this way too personally, you have blood coming out of your eyes, blood coming out of your wherever
Quote from: NecroPhileTrue, he's never held public office. Instead he's spent his time losing investor's money, bribing public officials, discriminating against minorities, working with US and Russian mafia, embezzling money from his own foundation, illegally operating casinos, running scam universities, etc.I see you're the type that ignores any and all of Trumps successes while simultaneously having zero understanding of commercial real estate let alone how a business works. Working in NYC I see a lot of Trump buildings and businesses in what amounts to be the most corrupt, expensive, and ultimately coveted real estate in the world. That's not easy to put up glass and steel let alone so many for so long. True the system is EXTREMELY corrupt and local government officials need greasing to get permits and zoning done. Trump bought a former government building literally hundreds of feet from the White House, prime real estate for a luxury hotel that will undoubtedly be sold out for the inauguration regardless who wins. Trump admitted to this corruption and even called out politicians on stage he gave money to. The also come running to him for help and influence. He also destroyed the GOP's best in less than a year and is currently beating the media sweetheart who is simultaneously being defended by TWO presidents. Keep ignoring the facts, keep ignoring his success, keep parroting MSNBC talking points with ZERO research. You sound ridiculous and I'm enjoying it.
Quote from: NecroPhileIgnorance is bliss, right?I bet you scream that into a mirror every morning for reassurance as you talk yourself into voting for Hillary.
Quote from: NecroPhileDue to the long term damage he'd do to the Republican party (beyond what he's already done), I've said repeatedly that I'll vote for Hilary over Trump. Is that really so hard for you to understand and believe?Well that is what a cuckold would say, I was silly to expect any self-respect from someone like you. You understand that Trump is not a republican right? He has policies similar to Bernie Sanders when it comes to businesses and taxation. But no you took the race bait and folded to the most corrupt politician who is nakedly exploiting her.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/15/2016, 09:58 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 09/15/2016, 09:58 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/14/2016, 08:15 PMYou cannot say Hillary is "crooked", corrupt, untrustworthy, and dangerous while using Donald Fucking Trump as your alternative. You just don't get to do that. Those are the fucking rules. You can literally use anybody else to make your point OTHER than that orange-skinned PT Barnum piece of shit. ANYONE.Racist.... [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X :roll:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/15/2016, 10:44 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/15/2016, 10:44 PM
QuoteYou understand that Trump is not a republican right? He has policies similar to Bernie Sanders when it comes to businesses and taxation.Trump is not a Republican? What? I appreciate your support of the man, but this is a weird statement. Trump holds some different beliefs from the so-called Establishment, sure, but that doesn't make him "not a Republican". The reason he seems different is because -- in terms of public policy -- he's closer to being a paleoconservative than to a neoconservative. Most people have a mix of conservatism and liberalism in their blood, and people can't even agree on what those words mean. Party affiliation is just a matter of what's printed on your voter registration. Check out Donald Trump in his 1988 interview with Larry King -- people called him conservative, and he self-identified as Republican.
http://youtu.be/Usb0iE5WiZI
(This interview occurred at the Republican convention, which he attended.)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 09/15/2016, 11:48 PM
Post by: jtucci31 on 09/15/2016, 11:48 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 09/15/2016, 09:58 PMA Trump supporter actually acknowledging racism is even a thing? What???Quote from: guest on 09/14/2016, 08:15 PMYou cannot say Hillary is "crooked", corrupt, untrustworthy, and dangerous while using Donald Fucking Trump as your alternative. You just don't get to do that. Those are the fucking rules. You can literally use anybody else to make your point OTHER than that orange-skinned PT Barnum piece of shit. ANYONE.Racist.... [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X :roll:
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/16/2016, 12:05 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/16/2016, 12:05 AM
I'm a Trump supporter. Racism is a thing. Unfortunately, the label "racist" is so overly applied that we (as a country) are pretty bad at having real discussions about race.
Hillary Clinton thinks that I am racist. Apparently the antidote for my condition is to vote for her. I disagree with both her prognosis and recommended treatment.
Hillary Clinton thinks that I am racist. Apparently the antidote for my condition is to vote for her. I disagree with both her prognosis and recommended treatment.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 09/16/2016, 12:20 AM
Post by: TurboXray on 09/16/2016, 12:20 AM
You guys act like it's the end of the world...
Both these candidates are utter shit. But lets be honest, it's really nothing more than 4 years of humiliation either way. Maybe....8 yrs (I mean, hey - Bush somehow did it)
I wanted Sanders in there.. not because he was gonna get shit done, or passed - because honestly he wouldn't. But because there's a lot of people with common interests that need to come together so we can change a few things in this country. They need representation. Right now, they have none. Let me be clear; We don't need to be Europe, but we need some social re-work (school, loans, etc) - we need to freshen up some shit because it's starting to stink. He would have at least shown the public stage that people were fed up and want these important issues address.. instead of just teases and side shows from every other peanut of the political gallery. It could have paved the way for more mild tempered but similar interest candidates for the near future. But.. petty ass shit, same old promises and lies.. that's what you all want. That's what you all deserve.
I won't be voting for either of those douche bags; fHilliry or Drump. Hillary supporters are seriously on the dem kool-aid - blind to all fucking hell and really believe the world is going to end if trump gets it - it keeps them awake at night. Trump supporters just hear what they want, and ignore or simply dismiss all other crazy bullshit out that man's mouth. They really don't give a shit about his policies - they figured if he's not afraid to talk shit, then he's not afraid to get shit done. Little do they understand how correlation works. And as if the motives of a narcissistic man would involve helping others - lol. He'd make the perfect politician.
I just wanted to say.. fuck you to all the people in this thread that's seriously defending or supporting either candidate :wink: This election's for you..
Fucking lying ass, self centered, self serving politicians.. <grumble> <grumble>
Btw - I heard some college girl today say that being middle class is "being trapped". In other words, it's a terrible thing to be middle class (apparently her daddy makes bank..). In that respect, you guys are all right. So fuck off a little bit less.. :)
Both these candidates are utter shit. But lets be honest, it's really nothing more than 4 years of humiliation either way. Maybe....8 yrs (I mean, hey - Bush somehow did it)
I wanted Sanders in there.. not because he was gonna get shit done, or passed - because honestly he wouldn't. But because there's a lot of people with common interests that need to come together so we can change a few things in this country. They need representation. Right now, they have none. Let me be clear; We don't need to be Europe, but we need some social re-work (school, loans, etc) - we need to freshen up some shit because it's starting to stink. He would have at least shown the public stage that people were fed up and want these important issues address.. instead of just teases and side shows from every other peanut of the political gallery. It could have paved the way for more mild tempered but similar interest candidates for the near future. But.. petty ass shit, same old promises and lies.. that's what you all want. That's what you all deserve.
I won't be voting for either of those douche bags; fHilliry or Drump. Hillary supporters are seriously on the dem kool-aid - blind to all fucking hell and really believe the world is going to end if trump gets it - it keeps them awake at night. Trump supporters just hear what they want, and ignore or simply dismiss all other crazy bullshit out that man's mouth. They really don't give a shit about his policies - they figured if he's not afraid to talk shit, then he's not afraid to get shit done. Little do they understand how correlation works. And as if the motives of a narcissistic man would involve helping others - lol. He'd make the perfect politician.
I just wanted to say.. fuck you to all the people in this thread that's seriously defending or supporting either candidate :wink: This election's for you..
Fucking lying ass, self centered, self serving politicians.. <grumble> <grumble>
Btw - I heard some college girl today say that being middle class is "being trapped". In other words, it's a terrible thing to be middle class (apparently her daddy makes bank..). In that respect, you guys are all right. So fuck off a little bit less.. :)
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 09/16/2016, 07:47 AM
Post by: esteban on 09/16/2016, 07:47 AM
What election?
Oh yeah, I enjoyed reading LeBonknut post.
:)
Oh yeah, I enjoyed reading LeBonknut post.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/16/2016, 01:38 PM
Post by: OldRover on 09/16/2016, 01:38 PM
Well, it's more than just a couple of overfed buffoons... there are seats on the Supreme Court up for grabs too. That's a detail that most will overlook. A Trump presidency will put conservatives in the SCOTUS while a Clinton presidency will put liberals in. Neither of these idiots will do any real damage on their own aside from making us the laughingstock of the world yet again... it's the assignment of Justices that will make or break the next four years. Trump will do whatever Pence says, whereas Kaine is just a lapdog for Clinton. Pence will push for the most extremist of conservatives for SCOTUS seats, whereas Clinton will just try to fill the positions with liberal women. In both cases, fuck what the people themselves want... it's all about politics as usual.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 09/16/2016, 02:37 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 09/16/2016, 02:37 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 09/16/2016, 12:20 AMBoth these candidates are utter shit. But lets be honest, it's really nothing more than 4 years of humiliation either way. Maybe....8 yrs (I mean, hey - Bush somehow did it)Funny you say this as I was just watching G.W. bloopers on youtube yesterday. It made me realize that even he'd be a better choice than the shit we have this year. However, it also made me think of how every year is a shit choice (Bush vs. Gore), (Bush vs. Kerry), (Obama vs. McCain), (Obama vs. Romney). I am of the firm belief that people very qualified to be President, whole heartedly do NOT want to be President. This is why the choice always comes down to a Giant Douche or a Turd Sandwich.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/16/2016, 02:41 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/16/2016, 02:41 PM
I just do not get the line of reasoning that puts them on an equal plane. You can say Hillary is as shitty as Cruz. Sure. Hillary is as shitty as Jeb. Okay.
But nobody. NO BO DY. Is as shitty as Donald Trump. If you think so, you're fooling yourself.
But nobody. NO BO DY. Is as shitty as Donald Trump. If you think so, you're fooling yourself.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 09/16/2016, 02:49 PM
Post by: DeshDildo on 09/16/2016, 02:49 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/16/2016, 02:41 PMI just do not get the line of reasoning that puts them on an equal plane. You can say Hillary is as shitty as Cruz. Sure. Hillary is as shitty as Jeb.I think Trump's social graces are the shittiest of anyone but, I think Hillary's politics and corruption are the shittiest of anyone so yeah they're equally shitty. Yes, I think Hillary's politics and corruption are much worse than Donald's made up politics and corruption.
But nobody. NO BO DY. Is as shitty as Donald Trump. If you think so, you're fooling yourself.
P.S. I would never vote for Hillary but also can't bring myself to bote for Trump either.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/16/2016, 03:23 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/16/2016, 03:23 PM
It's fun watching evoclownshoes go crazy and spout all sorts of nonsense, though he can't compete with Trump.
At least he (Trump) finally gave up on his birther bullshit. It's kinda sad seeing him pussy out and soften his outlandish claims over and over.
At least he (Trump) finally gave up on his birther bullshit. It's kinda sad seeing him pussy out and soften his outlandish claims over and over.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/16/2016, 03:42 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/16/2016, 03:42 PM
Well, to be fair, he gave up his birther shit by claiming Hillary started it and that he just ended it by having Obama reveal the certificate. Even though the first part is bullshit and he continued to say the certificate was fake after Obama produced it.
Fucking clown.
Fucking clown.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/16/2016, 03:56 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/16/2016, 03:56 PM
True, it's more of a straight trade in inanity.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 09/16/2016, 05:58 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 09/16/2016, 05:58 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/16/2016, 02:41 PMI just do not get the line of reasoning that puts them on an equal plane. You can say Hillary is as shitty as Cruz. Sure. Hillary is as shitty as Jeb. Okay.????? Cruz? Cruz - heeeeeelllllnnnnoooooo. That guy need never reach presidential office or anything close. Ever. Orange man or wall-street skirt... any day over teh cruz.
But nobody. NO BO DY. Is as shitty as Donald Trump. If you think so, you're fooling yourself.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/16/2016, 06:34 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/16/2016, 06:34 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong: Cruz is a fucking turd. But at least I can squint my eyes and draw a line between the two. Trump is in a universe all his own and if "half" of his supporters are deplorable, the other half are suckers.
(Obligatory disclaimer: Not a Hillary supporter).
(Obligatory disclaimer: Not a Hillary supporter).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/16/2016, 07:10 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/16/2016, 07:10 PM
Maybe I'm a deplorable sucker.
What name should I call you, for the crime of expressing your political opinion?
What name should I call you, for the crime of expressing your political opinion?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 09/16/2016, 07:19 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 09/16/2016, 07:19 PM
I'm voting for Trump to defeat Hellary "Rotten" Clinton, as he's the only one who can since the primary process has spoken - it becomes as simple as that, a vote against the democrat for whoever can defeat him/her.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/16/2016, 07:38 PM
Post by: OldRover on 09/16/2016, 07:38 PM
I'd vote for Trump before I'd vote for Cruz... and I won't vote for Trump... so that should say something. :lol:
My state is going to vote for Clinton anyway so I can vote my conscience... I'm voting for myself. Fuck everyone else. Put me in the White House. Let's cause some chaos. Free video games for everyone! :lol:
My state is going to vote for Clinton anyway so I can vote my conscience... I'm voting for myself. Fuck everyone else. Put me in the White House. Let's cause some chaos. Free video games for everyone! :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/17/2016, 12:39 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/17/2016, 12:39 AM
Quote from: NightWolve on 09/16/2016, 07:19 PMHellary "Rotten" ClintonC'mon man. You're more clever than that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/17/2016, 12:48 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/17/2016, 12:48 AM
With Nightwolve, he has a "name" for just about everyone out there. And if they're left of center they're immediately a "far left hack". It truly gets tiresome to read because you know there just isn't any rational discussion to be found. But I guess that's part of what makes America America...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 09/17/2016, 02:47 AM
Post by: TurboXray on 09/17/2016, 02:47 AM
NW a is republican hard-linear.
I dunno. I think political discussions are much better with other independents - regardless of which way they tend to lean (left, right, whatever). The party-line towers drank too much of the kool-aid too have a realistic political conversation with ;)
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"Must...vote...party...line...must...vote...party...line...must.."
I dunno. I think political discussions are much better with other independents - regardless of which way they tend to lean (left, right, whatever). The party-line towers drank too much of the kool-aid too have a realistic political conversation with ;)
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"Must...vote...party...line...must...vote...party...line...must.."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/17/2016, 08:40 AM
Post by: OldRover on 09/17/2016, 08:40 AM
I'm left-libertarian-leaning... not a fan of the right per se and am generally quite opposed to authoritarians, regardless of whether they're left or right. All political ideologies have their ups and downs. The fact that you can be any flavor of political ideology in the USA without fear of government backlash is one of the things that makes the USA great already. I find Trump's catchphrase to be idiotic. "Make America Great Again." As if it isn't already, dipshit... pandering to the Obama-haters was predictable from the start. His campaign was a literal joke from the start; I don't think he expected so many people to actually be on board with his crazy ideas but here we are and now he has to run a serious campaign because the people wanted him there. Good going, USA... really showing the world your intelligence there. On the other hand, you've got a psychopath who panders to the authoritarian left, and yeah, I'm talking about you, Clinton... you fucking lunatic.
Fuck this election.
Fuck this election.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 09/17/2016, 08:56 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 09/17/2016, 08:56 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 09/17/2016, 12:48 AMWith Nightwolve, he has a "name" for just about everyone out there. And if they're left of center they're immediately a "far left hack". It truly gets tiresome to read because you know there just isn't any rational discussion to be found. But I guess that's part of what makes America America...Ugh, I lost my first post to you, damn Android phone... Touchscreen fumble, refresh, etc.
My thoughts were along the lines of that leftists portray/project themselves as the normal ones, centrists, moderates. My joke for that has been, I AM THE CENTER, he that disagreeth with me, is either too far to the left, or too far to the right... They don't appreciate my brand of humor, naturally. *sniff*
These terms are all temporal anyway, relative, as the saying goes, today's liberals are tomorrow's conservatives. There's merit to dropping the labels at times, making it a competition strictly of good ideas versus bad ideas, and may the best idea win but the tendency is there to associate the idea with the groups pushing it to auto discredit it given any historical baggage. Other times it's fair to do.
As for generalizing me as irrational, and yourself rational by extension (convenient), well, you're always welcome to prove me wrong in our little Facebook wars... ;) I do confess, I like how "hack" has tweaked you, enough to have mentioned it here. Heh-heh.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/17/2016, 09:51 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/17/2016, 09:51 AM
No Johnson or Stein in the debates has shown how far we have truly fallen. A shame too, we really need a sane voice in this chaotic election.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/17/2016, 11:33 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/17/2016, 11:33 AM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/17/2016, 09:51 AMNo Johnson or Stein in the debates has shown how far we have truly fallen. A shame too, we really need a sane voice in this chaotic election.My buddy went to a Johnson rally and he told me that the song they played when he was walking off the stage to end the event was Dead Kennedys, Kill the Poor. I now respect this man.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 09/17/2016, 11:38 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 09/17/2016, 11:38 AM
Quote from: guest on 09/17/2016, 12:39 AMSure, let's see...how can I do better for jlued686 here... :-k Ah, I got it!Quote from: NightWolve on 09/16/2016, 07:19 PMHellary "Rotten" ClintonC'mon man. You're more clever than that.
http://youtu.be/fo7qMRSPwUgHillaryously Clintonian. ;)
Kinda catchy! Delete it to beat it, atta girl!!! #ImWithHer
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 09/17/2016, 12:08 PM
Post by: esteban on 09/17/2016, 12:08 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 09/17/2016, 11:33 AMI still have DK records... but they have cat hair and dust on the sleeves.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/17/2016, 09:51 AMNo Johnson or Stein in the debates has shown how far we have truly fallen. A shame too, we really need a sane voice in this chaotic election.My buddy went to a Johnson rally and he told me that the song they played when he was walking off the stage to end the event was Dead Kennedys, Kill the Poor. I now respect this man.
Probably some baby powder, too.
I'm old.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/17/2016, 01:32 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/17/2016, 01:32 PM
Quote from: esteban on 09/17/2016, 12:08 PMThey are going to have to add a new sub forum about elderly supplements soon, most of us are getting older and very few of us are getting younger.Quote from: TheClash603 on 09/17/2016, 11:33 AMI still have DK records... but they have cat hair and dust on the sleeves.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/17/2016, 09:51 AMNo Johnson or Stein in the debates has shown how far we have truly fallen. A shame too, we really need a sane voice in this chaotic election.My buddy went to a Johnson rally and he told me that the song they played when he was walking off the stage to end the event was Dead Kennedys, Kill the Poor. I now respect this man.
Probably some baby powder, too.
I'm old.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/17/2016, 04:02 PM
Post by: OldRover on 09/17/2016, 04:02 PM
I'm immortal, bitches!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/27/2016, 12:28 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 09/27/2016, 12:28 AM
What my old classmate said about tonight's debate summed it up nicely:
"I would rather drag my penis across 2 grit sandpaper and salt rock dip it in Lemon juice, then shove a blowfish up my urethra and kick it then run backwards into a barrel cactus completely naked, have my eyes blinded by a 100 paper cuts and lose my hearing because killer bees are stabbing my ear drums then watch or listen to this debate ever again. I was just waiting for one of them to water the lawn with Gatorade."
"I would rather drag my penis across 2 grit sandpaper and salt rock dip it in Lemon juice, then shove a blowfish up my urethra and kick it then run backwards into a barrel cactus completely naked, have my eyes blinded by a 100 paper cuts and lose my hearing because killer bees are stabbing my ear drums then watch or listen to this debate ever again. I was just waiting for one of them to water the lawn with Gatorade."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: PukeSter on 09/27/2016, 01:00 PM
Post by: PukeSter on 09/27/2016, 01:00 PM
Trump started off strong in the debate, but really started to fuck up by the 2nd half.
"9 million people lost their jobs"
"Yeah, it's called business"
"You didn't pay a carpenter who worked tirelessly on your golf course."
"Well maybe I didn't like the job he did."
"9 million people lost their jobs"
"Yeah, it's called business"
"You didn't pay a carpenter who worked tirelessly on your golf course."
"Well maybe I didn't like the job he did."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 09/27/2016, 03:11 PM
Post by: Otaking on 09/27/2016, 03:11 PM
been watching the debate a little bit at a time in 10 minute chunks.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: khyron65 on 09/27/2016, 04:12 PM
Post by: khyron65 on 09/27/2016, 04:12 PM
I was actually impressed and for a moment I thought maybe Trump wasnt that bad. Then he went full retard. You never go full retard. Its as if he thought to himself "shit! Im acting like a professional who really wants to be president. Better start acting like a dick head or I may win the debate!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/27/2016, 04:49 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/27/2016, 04:49 PM
Four years ago, I watched two reasonable, educated, credible candidates for president have a relatively substantive debate.
Last night, I watched a woman stand with her mouth agape as an orange gorilla threw feces at the camera.
Last night, I watched a woman stand with her mouth agape as an orange gorilla threw feces at the camera.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Senshi on 09/27/2016, 05:12 PM
Post by: Senshi on 09/27/2016, 05:12 PM
QuoteFour years ago, I watched two reasonable, educated, credible candidates for president have a relatively substantive debate.Just another person who loves being lied to as long as its said nicely. This will be the death of this country.
Last night, I watched a woman stand with her mouth agape as an orange gorilla threw feces at the camera.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 09/27/2016, 05:56 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 09/27/2016, 05:56 PM
Quote from: Senshi on 09/27/2016, 05:12 PMJust another person who loves being lied to as long as its said nicely. This will be the death of this country.Did you catch the "Delete it, to beat it!" (https://youtu.be/fo7qMRSPwUg) parody ? While it doesn't have the production value of "Romney Style" from the previous election, it's hillaryous! You can jam to it! ;)
I didn't think Trump performed all that well in the primary debates against other republicans, so I didn't think he'd come out a clear winner here. Hillary had an advantage with this moderator as was expected, trying to embarrass Trump with the "birther" thing, so it was really up to Trump to try to slip in things to embarrass Hillary like her email server scandal, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, etc. Didn't manage to work in the latter two, so oh well.
You know, he really shouldn't have let her call him a racist on live TV like that, he should've stopped it right there and said, "Don't slander me or republican voters, enough with your racist slander/defamation, etc. How about your buddy/mentor Robert "KKK Sheets" Byrd, eh ??" There was plenty there to throw back in her hack face...
But he got some good shots in, noting that ole Hellary has been there for decades, the corrupt career politician that she is, trying to ride off B.J. Bubba's back nepotism-style. How she called her private email server set up a "mistake," and the subsequent CYA deletion of 30,000 emails, with Trump interrupting to say was intentional, etc. "Mistake ?? Uh-huh..."
The whole email thing is pure incompetence besides reflecting lack of transparency, all she had to do was sit there 4 years, stay out of trouble for the most part, BOOM, add "Secretary of State" to her resume, use it to ride off into the presidency... Instead she embarrassed herself AND Obama in his judgment to award her the position...
What has she "fixed" in her time at Washington, and how much more time and tax money will she need to "fix" something if voters help her capture the WhiteHouse come November ?? She's got blood on her hands, a healthy track record of lying, flip-flops, press-avoidance, just an overall mediocre political career and one shouldn't expect much difference if she captures the WhiteHouse...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/27/2016, 06:37 PM
Post by: OldRover on 09/27/2016, 06:37 PM
TJ nails it.
http://youtu.be/Cqo_83A95VY
http://youtu.be/Cqo_83A95VY
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/27/2016, 06:51 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/27/2016, 06:51 PM
Trump is racist. Even if you ignore the several racial discrimination fines and settlements levied against his companies over the years, there's way too many instances of him saying racist shit over the last year alone for any intelligent person to say he's not racist.
He also doesn't understand what the word 'mistake' means. Guess what? It's not a synonym for 'accident'.
He also doesn't understand what the word 'mistake' means. Guess what? It's not a synonym for 'accident'.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/27/2016, 09:09 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/27/2016, 09:09 PM
Quote from: Senshi on 09/27/2016, 05:12 PMWTF?Quote from: guest on 09/27/2016, 04:49 PMFour years ago, I watched two reasonable, educated, credible candidates for president have a relatively substantive debate.Just another person who loves being lied to as long as its said nicely. This will be the death of this country.
Last night, I watched a woman stand with her mouth agape as an orange gorilla threw feces at the camera.
Yeah...okay man. Rage on.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 10/10/2016, 09:41 AM
Post by: Otaking on 10/10/2016, 09:41 AM
Gonna watch the second debate now.
I've seen some highlights on BBC News and looks it got really heated.
I've seen some highlights on BBC News and looks it got really heated.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 10/10/2016, 10:13 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 10/10/2016, 10:13 AM
Quote from: Otaking on 10/10/2016, 09:41 AMGonna watch the second debate now.I watched both and the first debate was a pretty clear Hillary victory, whereas Trump seemed to win the second. My guy isn't in it anymore so I don't care for either very much, but that my opinion of each debate anyway.
I've seen some highlights on BBC News and looks it got really heated.
The female moderator was trying to steal the show in debate #2, which isn't the role of a moderator, so I was pretty disappointed with that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 10/10/2016, 10:14 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 10/10/2016, 10:14 AM
Do yourself a favor: play some Turbo games instead.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/10/2016, 10:17 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/10/2016, 10:17 AM
More mud slinging and no substance. Stopped watching about halfway through. Moving on..
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 10/10/2016, 08:20 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 10/10/2016, 08:20 PM
Trump killed Hilary Clinton last night. Even MSNBC agreed: http://www.mediaite.com/online/brzezinski-scarborough-offer-glowing-debate-reviews-it-was-epic-vintage-trump/
It's painfully obvious that the media is against him and even the moderators attacked him, the bias is sickening. Probably why he's so popular.
It's painfully obvious that the media is against him and even the moderators attacked him, the bias is sickening. Probably why he's so popular.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 10/10/2016, 08:36 PM
Post by: esteban on 10/10/2016, 08:36 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 10/10/2016, 08:20 PMTrump killed Hilary Clinton last night. Even MSNBC agreed: http://www.mediaite.com/online/brzezinski-scarborough-offer-glowing-debate-reviews-it-was-epic-vintage-trump/Every post you make is one, fabulous troll.
It's painfully obvious that the media is against him and even the moderators attacked him, the bias is sickening. Probably why he's so popular.
Bravo.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 10/10/2016, 08:58 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 10/10/2016, 08:58 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/10/2016, 10:17 AMMore mud slinging and no substance. Stopped watching about halfway through. Moving on..Me too. It was nauseating to watch. I can't imagine anyone getting any sort of satisfaction watching that shit show or being proud of their candidate afterward. I will be skipping the third.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 10/10/2016, 09:02 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 10/10/2016, 09:02 PM
Quote from: esteban on 10/10/2016, 08:36 PMYeah I get that a lot from you.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 10/10/2016, 08:20 PMTrump killed Hilary Clinton last night. Even MSNBC agreed: http://www.mediaite.com/online/brzezinski-scarborough-offer-glowing-debate-reviews-it-was-epic-vintage-trump/Every post you make is one, fabulous troll.
It's painfully obvious that the media is against him and even the moderators attacked him, the bias is sickening. Probably why he's so popular.
Bravo.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 10/10/2016, 09:29 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 10/10/2016, 09:29 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 10/10/2016, 08:20 PMis sickeningI was gonna say the same thing about Trump.
Its hilarious how people are so quick to dismiss all the shit that comes out of his mouthF. It's like were not even hearing or seeing the same things. But.. but he'll make this country great again because he's a businessman! Or he represents something different from the corrupt political system. He made his money in one narrow field of business and suddenly he's an expert on the Presidency? Might as well elect a successful corn farmer for president - he's an expert on growing corn, makes a perfect president! Or Jarred from subway for president; because he's an outsider and isn't a corrupt politician (just ignore the child porn issues). I swear, the bullshit people come up with or believe.
Hillary's no catch, by far, but my god man.. do you realize who the fuck you're backing!?!? Jesus Christ just wait another four years and find someone SUITABLE for office. Not this ass clown. Almost anybody but this ass clown. Seriously. Hillary ain't gonna do nothing except make herself some money; calm the fuck down. There really is no urgency here.
Don't get me wrong; the left is drunk on the blue koolaid. Typical shit. But what the fuck are you drinking that you feel the need to support this man!? The republican party and trump supporters have gone full retard. There is NOTHING you can say to show you haven't gone full retard. Nothing.
I mean, I'm not even mad. I'm just baffled at people's reasoning and the extent of their dismissiveness. It's like half America has lost its mind.. the trump supporting half.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 10/10/2016, 09:53 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 10/10/2016, 09:53 PM
Hillary will be a one-term president. I'm almost willing to guarantee that. People hate her so fucking much, that the only reason she's winning is because she's up against a clown.
Like Bonknuts said: wait four years for someone who's not a fucking maniac.
Like Bonknuts said: wait four years for someone who's not a fucking maniac.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/10/2016, 11:29 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/10/2016, 11:29 PM
QuoteUnless a miracle and we see Johnson on stage. As long as he doesn't have yet another Aleppo moment. Seriously though, thats a drop in a bucket compared to the other two.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/10/2016, 10:17 AMMore mud slinging and no substance. Stopped watching about halfway through. Moving on..Me too. It was nauseating to watch. I can't imagine anyone getting any sort of satisfaction watching that shit show or being proud of their candidate afterward. I will be skipping the third.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 12:38 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 12:38 AM
I'm voting for Trump. He's the best choice for the present day, and that's what matters.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 09:22 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 09:22 AM
My opinion... I think Hillary will win this cycle but she will only be a one term president. She's about the worst candidate the Democrats could have picked and I think ultimately it will cost their party. They really alienated a lot of new younger voters with the whole Bernie Sanders affair. I know so many young people who really connected with Sanders over economic issues like income inequality, prohibitive cost of health care and higher education. These young people aren't stupid. The ones I know are mostly engineering students and are surprisingly informed about all these issues. The feeling now is that the system really is rigged and that we really dont have power. The Democrats had the chance to basically get a large swathe of new voters into their fold which would not only effect the presidency but countless down ballot contests. Truly the Democrats fumbled this one... BAD.
And then there's the Donald Trump phenomenon. I think the Donald Trump campaign "success" has revealed a side of America that is quite honestly appalling. I really cant see how anyone can justify this guy. Its extremely clear that he is a narcissist who has no problem demeaning women and minorities. I mean really he is the epitome of the white male superiority paradigm. His popularity brings into the open the fact that there are a lot of Americans who align with his values. That is the appalling part. I really had hoped that this country had moved beyond racism and sexism but I can see that both issues are alive and well. Few admit that they're racist or sexist but this campaign has given many an opportunity to be comfortable in their beliefs and show them publicly. When I lived in Tennessee I discovered that racism was very much still a thing but I thought it was a local issue. Now with the Trump campaign I see that the problem is widespread. This isn't to say all of Trumps supporters are racist or women-demeaning but his campaign has appealed to those that are. They've come out of the woodwork in numbers far greater than I would have ever imagined.
Here's the part that really gets me. The evangelical vote. I am a church goer myself but I find myself in the minority amongst Christians being a progressive. How the evangelicals can justify a president trump confounds me. Usually the answer is that he's not Hillary. That's no answer. The attempts to justify Trump are offensive. Evangelicals on the whole seem to be stuck in the Conservative camp over a few issues: gay marriage, abortion etc. Issues that rarely are legislated on and only have a small impact on society. Economic issues harm and kill far more people than abortion or gay marriage ever will. I saw this comic a while back and to me it really rings true.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190601202152im_/https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Nick-Anderson-Protect-Life-img.jpg)
The rest of the world is watching all of this. I don't know the exact reactions but I'm guessing its a mix between laughter, sadness and disgust. Really America, this is the best we could do? Of the 280 million or so people we have living here these two individuals are what rose to the top? I want to believe we are better, rather I have to believe we are better.
And then there's the Donald Trump phenomenon. I think the Donald Trump campaign "success" has revealed a side of America that is quite honestly appalling. I really cant see how anyone can justify this guy. Its extremely clear that he is a narcissist who has no problem demeaning women and minorities. I mean really he is the epitome of the white male superiority paradigm. His popularity brings into the open the fact that there are a lot of Americans who align with his values. That is the appalling part. I really had hoped that this country had moved beyond racism and sexism but I can see that both issues are alive and well. Few admit that they're racist or sexist but this campaign has given many an opportunity to be comfortable in their beliefs and show them publicly. When I lived in Tennessee I discovered that racism was very much still a thing but I thought it was a local issue. Now with the Trump campaign I see that the problem is widespread. This isn't to say all of Trumps supporters are racist or women-demeaning but his campaign has appealed to those that are. They've come out of the woodwork in numbers far greater than I would have ever imagined.
Here's the part that really gets me. The evangelical vote. I am a church goer myself but I find myself in the minority amongst Christians being a progressive. How the evangelicals can justify a president trump confounds me. Usually the answer is that he's not Hillary. That's no answer. The attempts to justify Trump are offensive. Evangelicals on the whole seem to be stuck in the Conservative camp over a few issues: gay marriage, abortion etc. Issues that rarely are legislated on and only have a small impact on society. Economic issues harm and kill far more people than abortion or gay marriage ever will. I saw this comic a while back and to me it really rings true.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190601202152im_/https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Nick-Anderson-Protect-Life-img.jpg)
The rest of the world is watching all of this. I don't know the exact reactions but I'm guessing its a mix between laughter, sadness and disgust. Really America, this is the best we could do? Of the 280 million or so people we have living here these two individuals are what rose to the top? I want to believe we are better, rather I have to believe we are better.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/11/2016, 09:28 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/11/2016, 09:28 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 09:22 AMMy opinion... I think Hillary will win this cycle but she will only be a one term president. She's about the worst candidate the Democrats could have picked and I think ultimately it will cost their party. They really alienated a lot of new younger voters with the whole Bernie Sanders affair. I know so many young people who really connected with Sanders over economic issues like income inequality, prohibitive cost of health care and higher education. These young people aren't stupid. The ones I know are mostly engineering students and are surprisingly informed about all these issues. The feeling now is that the system really is rigged and that we really dont have power. The Democrats had the chance to basically get a large swathe of new voters into their fold which would not only effect the presidency but countless down ballot contests. Truly the Democrats fumbled this one... BAD.+1. Not a Sanders supporter, but I do like what he has to say on social issues and foreign policy. Honestly it should have been a Biden/Sanders ticket. Instead we got Billary and Drumpf.
And then there's the Donald Trump phenomenon. I think the Donald Trump campaign "success" has revealed a side of America that is quite honestly appalling. I really cant see how anyone can justify this guy. Its extremely clear that he is a narcissist who has no problem demeaning women and minorities. I mean really he is the epitome of the white male superiority paradigm. His popularity brings into the open the fact that there are a lot of Americans who align with his values. That is the appalling part. I really had hoped that this country had moved beyond racism and sexism but I can see that both issues are alive and well. Few admit that they're racist or sexist but this campaign has given many an opportunity to be comfortable in their beliefs and show them publicly. When I lived in Tennessee I discovered that racism was very much still a thing but I thought it was a local issue. Now with the Trump campaign I see that the problem is widespread. This isn't to say all of Trumps supporters are racist or women-demeaning but his campaign has appealed to those that are. They've come out of the woodwork in numbers far greater than I would have ever imagined.
Here's the part that really gets me. The evangelical vote. I am a church goer myself but I find myself in the minority amongst Christians being a progressive. How the evangelicals can justify a president trump confounds me. Usually the answer is that he's not Hillary. That's no answer. The attempts to justify Trump are offensive. Evangelicals on the whole seem to be stuck in the Conservative camp over a few issues: gay marriage, abortion etc. Issues that rarely are legislated on and only have a small impact on society. Economic issues harm and kill far more people than abortion or gay marriage ever will. I saw this comic a while back and to me it really rings true.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190601202152im_/https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Nick-Anderson-Protect-Life-img.jpg)
The rest of the world is watching all of this. I don't know the exact reactions but I'm guessing its a mix between laughter, sadness and disgust. Really America, this is the best we could do? Of the 280 million or so people we have living here these two individuals are what rose to the top? I want to believe we are better, rather I have to believe we are better.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 09:31 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 09:31 AM
Really if the GOP has picked a reasonable candidate to run they probably could have easily swept this election and possibly grabbed some down ballot contests too. Both parties so royally fumbled this cycle is scary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 10/11/2016, 09:57 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 10/11/2016, 09:57 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 09:22 AMBuncha stuffI agree with every single word of your post. Thumbs up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 10/11/2016, 12:21 PM
Post by: Dicer on 10/11/2016, 12:21 PM
Despite his sexism, despite his bigotry, despite everything that makes him a horrible orange with a wig...
He's still got supporters, and they will show up on Voting day...Hillary doesn't have that rabid form of support, so I feel like regardless of what he does outside of literally eating a baby live on stage, he still has a shot at winning this.
I want to move, quickly...
He's still got supporters, and they will show up on Voting day...Hillary doesn't have that rabid form of support, so I feel like regardless of what he does outside of literally eating a baby live on stage, he still has a shot at winning this.
I want to move, quickly...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 10/11/2016, 01:44 PM
Post by: Gredler on 10/11/2016, 01:44 PM
Blue gets my vote as well, excellent post.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 06:58 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 06:58 PM
An observation....
Progressive Christians don't understand how Conservative Christians could support someone who is not virtuous.
Meanwhile, Conservative Christians say the exact same thing about Progressive Christians. They just don't understand.
Reality is that neither candidate is virtuous. People who vote on virtue will abstain or vote third-party. Whereas people who set aside virtue and instead vote on policy will pick either Trump or Clinton.
And both sides will tell the other that they should vote based on virtue.
Progressive Christians don't understand how Conservative Christians could support someone who is not virtuous.
Meanwhile, Conservative Christians say the exact same thing about Progressive Christians. They just don't understand.
Reality is that neither candidate is virtuous. People who vote on virtue will abstain or vote third-party. Whereas people who set aside virtue and instead vote on policy will pick either Trump or Clinton.
And both sides will tell the other that they should vote based on virtue.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 10/11/2016, 07:46 PM
Post by: OldRover on 10/11/2016, 07:46 PM
I'm voting my conscience. My conscience won't allow me to vote for either of these knuckleheads... and I really enjoy people telling me the "a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump/Clinton!" (depending on the alignment of the person spewing this rhetoric). Hardcore Trump zealots get pissed when I say I'll cast my vote for Sanders (THE EVIL COMMUNIST!!!) or Stein (THE EVIL WOMAN!!!), and hardcore Clinton zealots get pissed when I say I'll cast my vote for anyone who isn't Clinton. It's very predictable and amusing. Amusingly enough, Trump zealots never seem to get their panties in a wad if I say I'll vote for Johnson...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 08:01 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 08:01 PM
As you said, I've seen that from both sides. No wadded panties here :) Vote for whoever you like. Everyone should feel free to do that. Getting kind of tired of people telling each other their votes are wrong.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 10:12 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 10:12 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 06:58 PMAn observation....Most election cycles I can accept why conservative Christians vote the way they do. They are voting on the issues that are most important to them. Its just my feeling that economic issues cause far more harm than any of the social issues that most Christians champion. This cycle just seems so different and I can't reconcile Christians supporting Trump in good conscience.
Progressive Christians don't understand how Conservative Christians could support someone who is not virtuous.
Meanwhile, Conservative Christians say the exact same thing about Progressive Christians. They just don't understand.
Reality is that neither candidate is virtuous. People who vote on virtue will abstain or vote third-party. Whereas people who set aside virtue and instead vote on policy will pick either Trump or Clinton.
And both sides will tell the other that they should vote based on virtue.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 10/12/2016, 08:13 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 10/12/2016, 08:13 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 10/11/2016, 10:12 PMThey know if they don't vote for him, he'll grab them by the pussy, so there is little choice.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 10/11/2016, 06:58 PMAn observation....Most election cycles I can accept why conservative Christians vote the way they do. They are voting on the issues that are most important to them. Its just my feeling that economic issues cause far more harm than any of the social issues that most Christians champion. This cycle just seems so different and I can't reconcile Christians supporting Trump in good conscience.
Progressive Christians don't understand how Conservative Christians could support someone who is not virtuous.
Meanwhile, Conservative Christians say the exact same thing about Progressive Christians. They just don't understand.
Reality is that neither candidate is virtuous. People who vote on virtue will abstain or vote third-party. Whereas people who set aside virtue and instead vote on policy will pick either Trump or Clinton.
And both sides will tell the other that they should vote based on virtue.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/12/2016, 09:24 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/12/2016, 09:24 AM
Haha well played sir. Well played indeed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 10/12/2016, 12:56 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 10/12/2016, 12:56 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 10/12/2016, 08:13 AM(https://s5.postimg.cc/mrmmjj6xz/Hillary_Rotten_Clit.jpg)QuoteMost election cycles I can accept why conservative Christians vote the way they do. They are voting on the issues that are most important to them. Its just my feeling that economic issues cause far more harm than any of the social issues that most Christians champion. This cycle just seems so different and I can't reconcile Christians supporting Trump in good conscience.They know if they don't vote for him, he'll grab them by the pussy, so there is little choice.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 10/12/2016, 01:02 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 10/12/2016, 01:02 PM
Does she even have one? I assumed pod people were smooth down below, like a Barbie doll.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 02:39 PM
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 02:39 PM
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2016, 01:02 PMDoes she even have one? I assumed pod people were smooth down below, like a Barbie doll.In that case... is Chelsea adopted? The plot thickens...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 10/12/2016, 04:20 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 10/12/2016, 04:20 PM
I was reading that one in fourteen of Americans have lost a friend due to this election.
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/06/one-14-americans-lost-friend-presidential-election/
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/06/one-14-americans-lost-friend-presidential-election/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 10/12/2016, 04:29 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 10/12/2016, 04:29 PM
http://rare.us/story/if-youre-losing-friends-over-this-election-youre-doing-it-wrong/
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 04:39 PM
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 04:39 PM
I have definitely lost "friends" because of this election... but moreso because they were racist assholes who hated white people and were pissed that I was not going to vote for their media darling.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 10/12/2016, 06:16 PM
Post by: esteban on 10/12/2016, 06:16 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 04:39 PMI have definitely lost "friends" because of this election... but moreso because they were racist assholes who hated white people and were pissed that I was not going to vote for their media darling.You crazy.
I've had to distance myself from racist/xenophobic neighbors and co-workers who were *proud* to Make America White Supremacy Again.
Luckily, I didn't lose you.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 06:24 PM
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 06:24 PM
I'm not crazy... people who hate other people based on their skin color are crazy. It doesn't matter what skin color you're hating... racism is racism is racism no matter how much the perpetually offended douchebags want to justify their own prejudice.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 06:31 PM
Post by: OldRover on 10/12/2016, 06:31 PM
YOU CANNOT DEFEAT HATRED WITH MORE HATRED.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sadler on 10/13/2016, 11:28 AM
Post by: Sadler on 10/13/2016, 11:28 AM
I can't stand Trump and won't be voting for him, but I ran across this Cracked article (http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/) on Trump supporters and I thought it made a lot of good points. Which is surprising given the usual nature of Cracked articles.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/13/2016, 11:59 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/13/2016, 11:59 AM
Surprisingly good article. And at the end it all comes down to the same issue basically. People just want to work and support themselves and it's becoming harder and harder to do that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 10/13/2016, 01:23 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 10/13/2016, 01:23 PM
Donald and Hillary - I've Had The Time of My Life http://youtu.be/R8Wde1fFvPg
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/13/2016, 01:35 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 10/13/2016, 01:35 PM
^^^ That video made me hurt from laughing so hard.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 10/13/2016, 02:15 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 10/13/2016, 02:15 PM
http://youtu.be/WLYHu0AG8GI
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 10/13/2016, 05:48 PM
Post by: esteban on 10/13/2016, 05:48 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 10/13/2016, 01:23 PMhttp://youtu.be/R8Wde1fFvPg
Quote from: guest on 10/13/2016, 02:15 PMhttp://youtu.be/WLYHu0AG8GIBoth videos redeemed my hope in humanity.
Late Gugger really is the best medicine.
:)
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 10/13/2016, 08:13 PM
Post by: esteban on 10/13/2016, 08:13 PM
QuoteI snort Late Gugger. Good shit man.This was an inside joke that I didn't mean to post! I took a screenshot of autocorrect hilarity to send my brother, but I thought I fixed it.
My swissler family name is "Gugger"... and I am often late.
IT WAS IF THE PREDICTIVE ALGORITHM KNEW ME.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: blueraven on 10/19/2016, 10:43 PM
Post by: blueraven on 10/19/2016, 10:43 PM
After tonight, I will finally weigh in.
(http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/Rookstower/internet-memes/Politic/giant-meteor-2016-bumper-sticker_zpsfjp3mam1.png)
Its been real.
(http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/Rookstower/internet-memes/Politic/giant-meteor-2016-bumper-sticker_zpsfjp3mam1.png)
Its been real.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 10/19/2016, 10:59 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 10/19/2016, 10:59 PM
LOL. Better get used to hearing "Madam president.."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 10/20/2016, 06:29 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 10/20/2016, 06:29 AM
I'd vote for Hillary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 10/20/2016, 08:10 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 10/20/2016, 08:10 AM
How did we get here? Seriously? I'm betting maybe 10% of the population actually likes and can back both candidates. As much as I would do almost anything to try and block Hillary I also can't bring myself to vote Trump. I can't even bring myself to vote third party for Johnson. We are all screwed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 10/20/2016, 08:47 AM
Post by: MotherGunner on 10/20/2016, 08:47 AM
QFT, Desh. Anyone who votes for either of these idiots are idiots.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/20/2016, 09:28 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/20/2016, 09:28 AM
Deez Nuts 2016. Enough said.
http://www.elect-deez-nuts.com/
http://www.elect-deez-nuts.com/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 10/22/2016, 12:38 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 10/22/2016, 12:38 PM
http://youtu.be/FdBF6h7oH5I
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 10/26/2016, 11:15 AM
Post by: Otaking on 10/26/2016, 11:15 AM
Two weeks to go.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 10/26/2016, 11:23 AM
Post by: elmer on 10/26/2016, 11:23 AM
Michael Moore in TrumpLand (2016)
http://youtu.be/q1EnRLZ3p4o
http://youtu.be/q1EnRLZ3p4o
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 10/26/2016, 12:21 PM
Post by: Otaking on 10/26/2016, 12:21 PM
Quote from: elmer on 10/26/2016, 11:23 AMMichael Moore in TrumpLand (2016)Sounds interesting but the link doesn't work for me.
http://youtu.be/q1EnRLZ3p4o
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 10/26/2016, 12:54 PM
Post by: elmer on 10/26/2016, 12:54 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 10/26/2016, 12:21 PMWow, that didn't last long! Looks like it's down for copyright infringement.Quote from: elmer on 10/26/2016, 11:23 AMMichael Moore in TrumpLand (2016)Sounds interesting but the link doesn't work for me.
http://youtu.be/q1EnRLZ3p4o
Glad I got the chance to watch it, but it's a bit more of a one-man-show, and not-as-funny-as-he-thinks, advert for Hilary, rather than a serious/humorous look at why some folks believe in The Donald (that I was hoping for).
Some good points in there, though.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 10/26/2016, 01:17 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 10/26/2016, 01:17 PM
13 days until the next phase of this unending fiasco begins.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 10/26/2016, 01:31 PM
Post by: geise on 10/26/2016, 01:31 PM
I'm doing early voting this weekend to get it all over with.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: blueraven on 10/27/2016, 04:36 AM
Post by: blueraven on 10/27/2016, 04:36 AM
I was gonna vote to legalize weed but I'm having an Aleppo moment.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 10/31/2016, 08:05 AM
Post by: Otaking on 10/31/2016, 08:05 AM
Quote from: elmer on 10/26/2016, 12:54 PMSeen more people talking about this Michael Moore film, I really want to check it out now, anyone know where I might be able to watch it?? other people seem to be but not revealing where they're watching it.Quote from: Otaking on 10/26/2016, 12:21 PMWow, that didn't last long! Looks like it's down for copyright infringement.Quote from: elmer on 10/26/2016, 11:23 AMMichael Moore in TrumpLand (2016)Sounds interesting but the link doesn't work for me.
http://youtu.be/q1EnRLZ3p4o
Glad I got the chance to watch it, but it's a bit more of a one-man-show, and not-as-funny-as-he-thinks, advert for Hilary, rather than a serious/humorous look at why some folks believe in The Donald (that I was hoping for).
Some good points in there, though.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: crazydean on 10/31/2016, 08:40 AM
Post by: crazydean on 10/31/2016, 08:40 AM
Quote from: Otaking on 10/31/2016, 08:05 AMMichael Moore is such a joke. He makes these documentary-style movies that are simply his skew of the truth and no-one else's. Spend 5 minutes fact-checking, instead. It will be a better use of your time.Quote from: elmer on 10/26/2016, 12:54 PMSeen more people talking about this Michael Moore film, I really want to check it out now, anyone know where I might be able to watch it?? other people seem to be but not revealing where they're watching it.Quote from: Otaking on 10/26/2016, 12:21 PMWow, that didn't last long! Looks like it's down for copyright infringement.Quote from: elmer on 10/26/2016, 11:23 AMMichael Moore in TrumpLand (2016)Sounds interesting but the link doesn't work for me.
http://youtu.be/q1EnRLZ3p4o
Glad I got the chance to watch it, but it's a bit more of a one-man-show, and not-as-funny-as-he-thinks, advert for Hilary, rather than a serious/humorous look at why some folks believe in The Donald (that I was hoping for).
Some good points in there, though.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 10/31/2016, 09:39 AM
Post by: geise on 10/31/2016, 09:39 AM
Did early voting this weekend. Glad I got all this shit done and overwith. I really want it all to just end.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 10/31/2016, 09:55 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 10/31/2016, 09:55 AM
I'm not convinced it's going to end on November 8th.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/31/2016, 10:32 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 10/31/2016, 10:32 AM
Quote from: guest on 10/31/2016, 09:55 AMI'm not convinced it's going to end on November 8th.Especially with Wikileaks claiming to be releasing more Billary e-mails. http://www.inquisitr.com/3663365/wikileaks-releases-more-emails-announces-roll-out-of-phase-three-of-election-coverage-vows-clinton-arrest-video/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 10/31/2016, 11:13 AM
Post by: elmer on 10/31/2016, 11:13 AM
Quote from: crazydean on 10/31/2016, 08:40 AMErrr ... this one isn't a "documentary", or presented as such.Quote from: Otaking on 10/31/2016, 08:05 AMSeen more people talking about this Michael Moore film, I really want to check it out now, anyone know where I might be able to watch it?? other people seem to be but not revealing where they're watching it.Michael Moore is such a joke. He makes these documentary-style movies that are simply his skew of the truth and no-one else's. Spend 5 minutes fact-checking, instead. It will be a better use of your time.
It's very-clearly presented in the format of a "one man show".
He's very, very careful not to say *anything* negative about Donald Trump.
He has an opinion, and he presents it, so "yes", it definitely is "his skew of the truth".
Doesn't he have the right to present that in this world of biased-opinion-presented-as-news that you see from the talking-heads on MSNBC and Fox News, or hear on the partisan radio channels?
It's fairly-interestingly presented, and some of his perspectives were new (to me).
You don't have to agree with him in order to watch it, but you might find *something* in the show that makes you think.
Also, from my POV, this election cycle is totally about "opinion" and not about "facts".
There are plenty of "facts" that seem to make either candidate a poor choice for POTUS.
The "opinion" comes in when you weigh the relative-importance (to you) of all of those "facts" in order to come up with a candidate to either vote for, or vote against.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 10/31/2016, 11:46 AM
Post by: Otaking on 10/31/2016, 11:46 AM
Nearly all political discussion I watch or read (news articles, documentaries etc..) isn't inline with my personal political views, but it's still fascinating to watch and hear others view points, differing political view points leads to debate, which is the foundation of good healthy politics.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 10/31/2016, 08:13 PM
Post by: esteban on 10/31/2016, 08:13 PM
Wait, this is still a thing? I thought this reality TV show had been cancelled.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 11/01/2016, 12:50 PM
Post by: Otaking on 11/01/2016, 12:50 PM
1 week to go.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/01/2016, 04:53 PM
Post by: esteban on 11/01/2016, 04:53 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 11/01/2016, 12:50 PM1 week to go.Lies.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 11/01/2016, 04:55 PM
Post by: Otaking on 11/01/2016, 04:55 PM
Quote from: esteban on 11/01/2016, 04:53 PMGoverrats.Quote from: Otaking on 11/01/2016, 12:50 PM1 week to go.Lies.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/01/2016, 05:02 PM
Post by: esteban on 11/01/2016, 05:02 PM
GOVVERATS.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread AKA Happy Days are here again! ;)
Post by: NightWolve on 11/05/2016, 11:40 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 11/05/2016, 11:40 PM
Almost my favorite I think. http://youtu.be/Kbryz0mxuMY
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Retro MJM on 11/07/2016, 10:00 AM
Post by: Retro MJM on 11/07/2016, 10:00 AM
I don't care who votes for who, but one thing that does kinda tick me off are unfaithful electors who refuse to vote for whoever the majority voted for; they are hand-picked elites by a state that votes for the state winner, no matter the party-affiliation. Or at least that's how it should be.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d3a1c10593c44da58bb611ef09101214/washington-state-elector-says-he-wont-vote-clinton
This only enables America to be an anarchy than democracy. How would Trump supporters feel if George Soros bought off a few electors in Texas to pick Hillary instead of going with their duties to represent the majority vote? I think they would be incredibly annoyed the electorates failed them and invalidated their votes.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d3a1c10593c44da58bb611ef09101214/washington-state-elector-says-he-wont-vote-clinton
This only enables America to be an anarchy than democracy. How would Trump supporters feel if George Soros bought off a few electors in Texas to pick Hillary instead of going with their duties to represent the majority vote? I think they would be incredibly annoyed the electorates failed them and invalidated their votes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: crazydean on 11/07/2016, 10:13 AM
Post by: crazydean on 11/07/2016, 10:13 AM
Quote from: Retro MJM on 11/07/2016, 10:00 AMI don't care who votes for who, but one thing that does kinda tick me off are unfaithful electors who refuse to vote for whoever the majority voted for; they are hand-picked elites by a state that votes for the state winner, no matter the party-affiliation. Or at least that's how it should be.I agree with what you are saying, but the whole point of the EC is to vote how they think will best benefit their state. It's not their job to represent their popular vote. The electoral college needs to be wiped out all-together.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d3a1c10593c44da58bb611ef09101214/washington-state-elector-says-he-wont-vote-clinton
This only enables America to be an anarchy than democracy. How would Trump supporters feel if George Soros bought off a few electors in Texas to pick Hillary instead of going with their duties to represent the majority vote? I think they would be incredibly annoyed the electorates failed them and invalidated their votes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/07/2016, 10:28 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/07/2016, 10:28 AM
That asshole should be removed as an elector.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 11/07/2016, 11:57 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 11/07/2016, 11:57 PM
So...day of reckoning is manana, place your bets, who will be the next president, Clinton or Trump ? Who would you put money on and how much ? (Me, I'm not confident either way to put money on it...)
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/08/2016, 05:25 AM
Post by: esteban on 11/08/2016, 05:25 AM
MUSICAL INTERLUDE:
Music has been cancelled. Thanks America.
You may, or may not, find success finding music in Canada.
Music has been cancelled. Thanks America.
You may, or may not, find success finding music in Canada.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: blueraven on 11/08/2016, 06:34 AM
Post by: blueraven on 11/08/2016, 06:34 AM
esteban You are certainly the master of tangents. :D I never listened to the Psychedelic Furs. I will give them a chance tomorrow at work on your recommendation though.
That said Nightwolve... the only thing I would bet a six-pack of craft beer on, or a copy of Keith Courage (if you don't drink. Yes... I'm afraid it has come to KC. Two years ago it would have been PCE Art of Fighting :-k) is that California will legalize weed... and as I'm posting this a few minutes before 4:30AM MT, Gary Johnson is probably doing a bong hit right now.
That said Nightwolve... the only thing I would bet a six-pack of craft beer on, or a copy of Keith Courage (if you don't drink. Yes... I'm afraid it has come to KC. Two years ago it would have been PCE Art of Fighting :-k) is that California will legalize weed... and as I'm posting this a few minutes before 4:30AM MT, Gary Johnson is probably doing a bong hit right now.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/08/2016, 08:04 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/08/2016, 08:04 AM
Just remember...
http://youtu.be/Xv4_lP5PjoE
http://youtu.be/Xv4_lP5PjoE
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jperryss on 11/08/2016, 08:35 AM
Post by: jperryss on 11/08/2016, 08:35 AM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 11/08/2016, 08:04 AMJust remember...But emails!
http://youtu.be/Xv4_lP5PjoE
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 11/08/2016, 09:13 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 11/08/2016, 09:13 AM
Quote from: blueraven on 11/08/2016, 06:34 AMesteban You are certainly the master of tangents. :D I never listened to the Psychedelic Furs. I will give them a chance tomorrow at work on your recommendation though.Remember that CA failed to pass that vote just 5 years ago. I knew a lot of very pro-weed people who opposed the law because it was a bad law. They hoped something better would come along. It's a real possibility still (that said, I didn't look at the law myself because I'm no longer living in California).
That said Nightwolve... the only thing I would bet a six-pack of craft beer on, or a copy of Keith Courage (if you don't drink. Yes... I'm afraid it has come to KC. Two years ago it would have been PCE Art of Fighting :-k) is that California will legalize weed... and as I'm posting this a few minutes before 4:30AM MT, Gary Johnson is probably doing a bong hit right now.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: xcrement5x on 11/08/2016, 11:46 AM
Post by: xcrement5x on 11/08/2016, 11:46 AM
I guess I should vote today eh?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 11/08/2016, 12:59 PM
Post by: geise on 11/08/2016, 12:59 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 11/07/2016, 11:57 PMSo...day of reckoning is manana, place your bets, who will be the next president, Clinton or Trump ? Who would you put money on and how much ? (Me, I'm not confident either way to put money on it...)Either way you vote it's... http://youtu.be/Z0GFRcFm-aY
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/08/2016, 08:50 PM
Post by: esteban on 11/08/2016, 08:50 PM
Hahahahhahhahha.
Why am I watching all this election crap on TV and hitting "refresh" on my browser?
I should be doing something more worthwhile with my time.
Jeezus.
Why am I watching all this election crap on TV and hitting "refresh" on my browser?
I should be doing something more worthwhile with my time.
Jeezus.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 11/08/2016, 08:55 PM
Post by: Otaking on 11/08/2016, 08:55 PM
Been watching here in the UK, got too late now (2am) so gonna see the results tomorrow.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/08/2016, 09:15 PM
Post by: esteban on 11/08/2016, 09:15 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 11/08/2016, 08:55 PMBeen watching here in the UK, got too late now (2am) so gonna see the results tomorrow.America is the world's buffoon.
Please don't have any nightmares.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/08/2016, 09:36 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/08/2016, 09:36 PM
Quote from: esteban on 11/08/2016, 08:50 PMHahahahhahhahha.This does all the work?
Why am I watching all this election crap on TV and hitting "refresh" on my browser?
I should be doing something more worthwhile with my time.
Jeezus.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 11/08/2016, 10:13 PM
Post by: Gypsy on 11/08/2016, 10:13 PM
Thread name seems extra appropriate right now.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 11/08/2016, 10:37 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 11/08/2016, 10:37 PM
Man, what a let down, a prematurely broken campaign promise on Madonna's part... :(
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/madonna-withdraws-oral-sex-promise-hillary-voters-article-1.2864602
In other news, woah, Trump has a serious shot, Ohio is won, and Florida is close with him in the lead and 9X% of votes counted - NO republican can win without these 2 battleground states!!! Whatever happens, there was no predicted landslide loss one way or another...
Friggin' Gary Johnson though, took 2% of the Florida vote... who did he draw that away from ? The guy really is more of a democrat without the corruption, but the brand of the libertarian party usually takes more votes away from republicans... :/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/madonna-withdraws-oral-sex-promise-hillary-voters-article-1.2864602
In other news, woah, Trump has a serious shot, Ohio is won, and Florida is close with him in the lead and 9X% of votes counted - NO republican can win without these 2 battleground states!!! Whatever happens, there was no predicted landslide loss one way or another...
Friggin' Gary Johnson though, took 2% of the Florida vote... who did he draw that away from ? The guy really is more of a democrat without the corruption, but the brand of the libertarian party usually takes more votes away from republicans... :/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/08/2016, 11:27 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/08/2016, 11:27 PM
I'm surprised no one brought this up: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/simpsons-writer-who-predicted-trump-876295
Crazy cause Trump might actually win this..
Crazy cause Trump might actually win this..
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/08/2016, 11:45 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/08/2016, 11:45 PM
Lol! Trump won. I'm calling it..
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 11/08/2016, 11:49 PM
Post by: Gypsy on 11/08/2016, 11:49 PM
THE END IS NIGH. KNEEL AND REPENT BEFORE CTHULHU.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 11/08/2016, 11:52 PM
Post by: Gypsy on 11/08/2016, 11:52 PM
N'gha ng n'ghft.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 12:14 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 12:14 AM
Just shows... Never trust in the intelligence of humans.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 01:16 AM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 01:16 AM
Quote from: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 12:14 AMJust shows... Never trust in the intelligence of humans.Emotions always trump logic (no pun intended), in the end. So I would say, never underestimate the emotional state of a group of people; in this respect - angry rural America. Trump tapped into that. Clinton couldn't tap enough emotion into her surrounding base (near outliers).
On the other interesting side; the classic republican base is actually shrinking (rural America is shrinking), and the democrat base is projected to keep on growing. There's a whole younger generation of democrats that will be moving into that voting demographic (30's I think). In the long run, if the republicans don't change their party (image, etc) to attract more of these democrat leaning outliers, they'll be in for one hell of a fight in the coming next generations.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Medic_wheat on 11/09/2016, 01:21 AM
Post by: Medic_wheat on 11/09/2016, 01:21 AM
I simply can't believe Truno is in the lead and looks to have won.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 01:52 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 01:52 AM
My question : Our own Trevor Noah had some pretty nasty remarks in regards with The Donald in virtually every show the past couple of months. Deport incoming ? :lol:
But then I guess most of mainstream media had fun making fun of Trump.
But then I guess most of mainstream media had fun making fun of Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Medic_wheat on 11/09/2016, 01:59 AM
Post by: Medic_wheat on 11/09/2016, 01:59 AM
Well going to bed. Trump just needs 6 more electoral votes to win and he appear to be ending with a possible 306.
Night.
Night.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/09/2016, 02:47 AM
Post by: esteban on 11/09/2016, 02:47 AM
UPDATE: Music has been cancelled in America. Please check back in four years.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TR0N on 11/09/2016, 03:16 AM
Post by: TR0N on 11/09/2016, 03:16 AM
Well were screwed i bet this will be trump theme now he's the president :roll:
http://youtu.be/2_JTzEppKy8
http://youtu.be/2_JTzEppKy8
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Joe Redifer on 11/09/2016, 04:25 AM
Post by: Joe Redifer on 11/09/2016, 04:25 AM
Ted Dibiase should run next time.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 07:37 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 07:37 AM
Found this:
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I wouldn't put it past him that he actually said that. But then again this is the age where assigning quotes to a pic, seems to be in vogue.
/rm4unl.jpg
I wouldn't put it past him that he actually said that. But then again this is the age where assigning quotes to a pic, seems to be in vogue.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 08:03 AM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 08:03 AM
[Insert Dibiase Laugh]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 08:48 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 08:48 AM
Don't you think Trump is like the idiot WWE wrestler shouting at the crowd and giving them the finger. The crowd know it is all fake but love it regardless because it is different to what Clinton brings, which is a promise of more of the same whilst she's a wolf in sheep's clothing?
And besides,
Nothing fake about this!
/zxwort.jpg
And besides,
Nothing fake about this!
/zxwort.jpg
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/09/2016, 09:00 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/09/2016, 09:00 AM
The Simpsons predicted this. Moving along..
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/09/2016, 09:20 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/09/2016, 09:20 AM
Hopefully Clinton will finally realize how many people can't stand her and drop out of politics for good.
Now I expect fuck all from Trump. Other than repealing Obamacare (with no plan on how to replace it), his goals do not align with most Republican congressmen. Good luck pushing your agenda when 90% of the Democrats will vote against you no matter what and most of the Republicans are people you've fought against, called corrupt scumbags, etc.
Now I expect fuck all from Trump. Other than repealing Obamacare (with no plan on how to replace it), his goals do not align with most Republican congressmen. Good luck pushing your agenda when 90% of the Democrats will vote against you no matter what and most of the Republicans are people you've fought against, called corrupt scumbags, etc.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: sirhcman on 11/09/2016, 09:45 AM
Post by: sirhcman on 11/09/2016, 09:45 AM
Is there a list of all the celebrities who are leaving the country now that the election has been decided? I think Al Sharpton was among the people saying he was going to leave
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 10:21 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 10:21 AM
Quote from: guest on 11/09/2016, 09:45 AMIs there a list of all the celebrities who are leaving the country now that the election has been decided? I think Al Sharpton was among the people saying he was going to leaveDunno whether I'm missing any, but here ya go:
Amy Schumer
Lena Dunham
Barbra Streisand
Bryan Cranston
Miley Cyrus
Amy Schumer
Jon Stewart
Cher
Chelsea Handler
Samuel L. Jackson
Whoopi Goldberg
Neve Campbell
Keegan-Michael Key
George Lopez
Ne-Yo
Rev. Al Sharpton
Raven-Symoné
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 10:33 AM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 10:33 AM
Quote from: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 10:21 AMToo bad the entire The View cast isn't on the list.Quote from: guest on 11/09/2016, 09:45 AMIs there a list of all the celebrities who are leaving the country now that the election has been decided? I think Al Sharpton was among the people saying he was going to leaveDunno whether I'm missing any, but here ya go:
Amy Schumer
Lena Dunham
Barbra Streisand
Bryan Cranston
Miley Cyrus
Amy Schumer
Jon Stewart
Cher
Chelsea Handler
Samuel L. Jackson
Whoopi Goldberg
Neve Campbell
Keegan-Michael Key
George Lopez
Ne-Yo
Rev. Al Sharpton
Raven-Symoné
It's missing Katy Perry
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: sirhcman on 11/09/2016, 10:34 AM
Post by: sirhcman on 11/09/2016, 10:34 AM
Quote from: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 10:21 AMDunno whether I'm missing any, but here ya go:Thanks for putting together the list!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 10:59 AM
Post by: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 10:59 AM
I wonder how many people will actually leave. Going off the Bush election, I predict....zero. Why do these people make these claims anyway?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 11:02 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 11:02 AM
Quote from: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 10:59 AMI wonder how many people will actually leave. Going off the Bush election, I predict....zero. Why do these people make these claims anyway?Did you think The Donald was going to win? Neither did they. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/09/2016, 11:35 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/09/2016, 11:35 AM
Quote from: Bloufo on 11/09/2016, 11:02 AMCanada's economy and dollar are in shambles, they are an entirely energy dependent country that is getting beat up bad now. As much as moving is something people have been doing to better themselves since the beginning of time, Canada isn't the best pick right now.Quote from: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 10:59 AMI wonder how many people will actually leave. Going off the Bush election, I predict....zero. Why do these people make these claims anyway?Did you think The Donald was going to win? Neither did they. :lol:
(Sorry Canadians)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 11/09/2016, 12:05 PM
Post by: elmer on 11/09/2016, 12:05 PM
Quote from: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 10:59 AMWhy do these people make these claims anyway?Dunno ... why did Donald Trump say all of the sh*t that came out of his mouth? :-k
Well, we all get to live in the world that he makes now ... let's just hope that it's as promising as his supporters believe, and not as awful as his detractors fear.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 11/09/2016, 12:57 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 11/09/2016, 12:57 PM
Quote from: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 10:59 AMI wonder how many people will actually leave. Going off the Bush election, I predict....zero. Why do these people make these claims anyway?It's immature, manipulative, extortionist propaganda by people with power, and celebrities do have some level of influencing power and use it to persuade us to vote their way.
You wouldn't wanna lose a national treasure like say Miley Cyrus, right ? Well, you better vote her way if you don't want her to make good on her threat of exodus.
Here's a list of several of them and we'll see just how many make good on their "campaign promise..."
http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/heres-the-list-of-16-celebrities-15283184/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 11/09/2016, 01:25 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 11/09/2016, 01:25 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 11/09/2016, 12:57 PMIt's immature, manipulative, extortionist propaganda by people with power, and celebrities do have some level of influencing power and use it to persuade us to vote their way.So "fight fire with fire", I guess?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 11/09/2016, 01:28 PM
Post by: geise on 11/09/2016, 01:28 PM
Quote from: NightWolve on 11/09/2016, 12:57 PMIt's immature, manipulative, extortionist propaganda by people with power, and celebrities do have some level of influencing power and use it to persuade us to vote their way.You mean kinda like Trump running for president?
In regards to the link, I loved Sam's remark. LOL lets see if he goes through with his words.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 11/09/2016, 01:34 PM
Post by: ClodBusted on 11/09/2016, 01:34 PM
Oh well guys, have fun with a corporate clown for the next 4 years.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/09/2016, 01:55 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/09/2016, 01:55 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 11/09/2016, 01:19 PMAnyone have a list of conservatives/pundits who said they'd leave the country if hillary won? Or Barack before her? This kind of stuff goes down on both sides.Yep, diarrhea always goes down both legs. Always. :lol:
I don't remember 'em all, but Stephen Baldwin said he'd leave if Obama were elected, and Rush Limbaugh said he'd leave if Obamacare passed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 11/09/2016, 01:58 PM
Post by: Gredler on 11/09/2016, 01:58 PM
For some reason this played over and over in my head watching the whole election results coverage. Not sure why.
http://youtu.be/8UFIYGkROII
http://youtu.be/8UFIYGkROII
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 11/09/2016, 03:52 PM
Post by: Otaking on 11/09/2016, 03:52 PM
2016 the year of WTF is happening, is this some strange alternate reality I've slipped in to??
Britain leaves the EU and the reality TV lunatic Donald Trump gets nominated as president of the United States of America.
Seriously... WTF.
Britain leaves the EU and the reality TV lunatic Donald Trump gets nominated as president of the United States of America.
Seriously... WTF.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/09/2016, 04:05 PM
Post by: esteban on 11/09/2016, 04:05 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 11/09/2016, 03:52 PM2016 the year of WTF is happening, is this some strange alternate reality I've slipped in to??Another era of conservative politics is upon us.
Britain leaves the EU and the reality TV lunatic Donald Trump gets nominated as president of the United States of America.
Seriously... WTF.
Reagan and Thatcher went hand in hand... not sure how current situation will play out.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 05:44 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 05:44 PM
LOL at the comments here!
Full Disclosure: Didn't vote Trump (and proud of it!), Didn't vote Hillary either (and proud of it!), I have voted Democrat most my life, except a couple of times. I am a proud Latino Immigrant, Military Veteran, and a progressive in many ways (Pro Gay/Choice/2A, etc).
But God Damn!
Leave it up to Democrats to force people to get out there and vote, and cry like little bitches when people actually did!
ha ha ha!
Full Disclosure: Didn't vote Trump (and proud of it!), Didn't vote Hillary either (and proud of it!), I have voted Democrat most my life, except a couple of times. I am a proud Latino Immigrant, Military Veteran, and a progressive in many ways (Pro Gay/Choice/2A, etc).
But God Damn!
Leave it up to Democrats to force people to get out there and vote, and cry like little bitches when people actually did!
ha ha ha!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: wildfruit on 11/09/2016, 06:02 PM
Post by: wildfruit on 11/09/2016, 06:02 PM
After years of dreaming of a world neo liberal socialist paradise I give up. It will never happen. If you can't beat them, join them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/09/2016, 07:00 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/09/2016, 07:00 PM
The only thing I'm sad about is that Lena Dunham's child-molesting ass won't be leaving the country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:13 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:13 PM
Y'all libtard fuckers. At least you like Turbob.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:19 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:19 PM
Quote from: esteban on 11/09/2016, 02:47 AMUPDATE: Music has been cancelled in America. Please check back in four years.I guess if you like pop top 40 the voice hip hop bullshit.
Come to the metal side my son.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:25 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:25 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 11/09/2016, 07:23 PMYeah... You know, we're all rural and unedumacatedQuote from: guest on 11/09/2016, 07:13 PMY'all libtard fuckers. At least you like Turbob.Hah, that's pretty clever for a republicunt. I mean, that you can use a keyboard. :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Joe Redifer on 11/09/2016, 07:28 PM
Post by: Joe Redifer on 11/09/2016, 07:28 PM
Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 05:44 PMLeave it up to Democrats to force people to get out there and vote, and cry like little bitches when people actually did!They saw it as a challenge. Lose to an election that's almost assuredly handed to you. How could anyone lose to Trump??? They found a way. Probably could have won with Bernie but we'll never know. Hillary's supporters certainly didn't help with their marginalizing and mocking of non-supporters. And now they are at it x10. Great game plan.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:42 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 07:42 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 11/09/2016, 07:28 PMThey didn't want to vote in an unconvicted felon.Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 05:44 PMLeave it up to Democrats to force people to get out there and vote, and cry like little bitches when people actually did!They saw it as a challenge. Lose to an election that's almost assuredly handed to you. How could anyone lose to Trump??? They found a way. Probably could have won with Bernie but we'll never know. Hillary's supporters certainly didn't help with their marginalizing and mocking of non-supporters. And now they are at it x10. Great game plan.
The shit she did, exposing state secrets to the internet via a private server and her aides and housekeeper.... Inexcusable.
I work on gov contracts and have access to all service members PII and PHI. I have a clearance, nothing like the Secretary would have though... And if I exposed the data I have access too on a private server, you better bet I'd be sitting in jail, with fines up the wazoo.
Don't forget the foundation investigation is still ongoing. We haven't heard the last of that.
F* Hillary and the Clintons. All we can hope is that she retires, and we never have to see her smug mug in the political arena again.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 08:01 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 08:01 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 11/09/2016, 07:55 PMYou can lead a toymachine to water, but you can't make him think. [emoji38]Whatever... I didn't agree with too big to fail... And I don't agree with too big to jail.
We'll see. Lets keep an open mind.
I did so with Obama, you should do so with trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: nectarsis on 11/09/2016, 08:11 PM
Post by: nectarsis on 11/09/2016, 08:11 PM
Funny with the I'm moving to Canada x person says... you never hear anybody say they're going to Mexico.....theyre all racist against hispanics!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 11/09/2016, 08:17 PM
Post by: Otaking on 11/09/2016, 08:17 PM
Quote from: nectarsis on 11/09/2016, 08:11 PMFunny with the I'm moving to Canada x person wind.... you never hear anybody sah they're going to Mexico.....theyre all racist against hispanics!!Fuck it all, I'm moving to North Korea
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 08:20 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 08:20 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 11/09/2016, 08:12 PMI like Cheetos. Don't try to say I don't!How... I haven't even charged my JO Crystal yet..... I'm not worthy!
But you never kept an open mind with Obama. I never held it against you, though. I couldn't care less about a person's political views unless I'm fucking them, I just like returning fire. Nightwolve is a friend and he is about as rightwinger as you get. My roommate is an ardent Trump supporter, yet still a best bud.
If you want to take our relationship to the next level, though, I will truly start caring more about your views. BUTT, we have to consummate it first. :D
Edit: PS...I kept an open mind with Obama until his healthcare plan, the one shoved down everyone's throat, caused my premiums to double.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 08:26 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 08:26 PM
Quote from: guest on 11/09/2016, 07:19 PMCome to the metal side my son.Meh. Metal is for those people that haven't mentally left their teenager angst years.
(Edit: wrong quote) But yeah, to the Trump supporters.
So instead of waiting another four years to elect a decent candidate, you elected a fucking lunatic with zero qualifications, and the temperament of a child. Makes perfect sense.
There was a lady that posted that she's got "shafted" by her party and politicians, so while she didn't agree with Trump, she voted for him so he could "shaft" the politicians. That's just fantastic; you got fucked, so just pass it along - and by indirection fuck the rest of us. I didn't realize selfishness was a virtue of the conservative party.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 08:32 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 08:32 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 08:26 PMAnd your musical genre of prference is?Quote from: guest on 11/09/2016, 07:19 PMCome to the metal side my son.Meh. Metal is for those people that haven't mentally left their teenager angst years.
(Edit: wrong quote) But yeah, to the Trump supporters.
So instead of waiting another four years to elect a decent candidate, you elected a fucking lunatic with zero qualifications, and the temperament of a child. Makes perfect sense.
Also, what great experience did Obama bring? Community Organizing? Lol!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 09:09 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 09:09 PM
Quote from: guest on 11/09/2016, 08:32 PMAnd your musical genre of prference is?Pretty much anything not country -but right now, nothing specific. I've gotten tired of every thing. But yeah, I can't do metal anymore. I used to like 90's punk too.. can't do that anymore either. The angst is gone; metal doesn't fill that void anymore.
QuoteAlso, what great experience did Obama bring? Community Organizing? Lol!Let's see; the country didn't implode, we've recovering from the recession, obamacare actually helped out people that live with lifelong chronic illnesses (which were allowed to be dropped before hand) - I know of two close people that are able to afford treatment because of it, that they would have paid full price with no insurance before it. Amazing? No. Better than Bush? Pretty much. He's pretty average; no complaints. Nothing directly benefited me that I can remember, but nothing hurt me either. So that's a win. We saw some social progression under his watch (gay marriage. I'm not gay, but glad that shit is finally sorted out). I dunno - I've never been all over his nuts, so maybe someone else could chime in.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 09:18 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/09/2016, 09:18 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 09:09 PMAngst metal thing seems like a personal problem. I don't think metal = teenage angst lolQuote from: guest on 11/09/2016, 08:32 PMAnd your musical genre of prference is?Pretty much anything not country -but right now, nothing specific. I've gotten tired of every thing. But yeah, I can't do metal anymore. I used to like 90's punk too.. can't do that anymore either. The angst is gone; metal doesn't fill that void anymore.QuoteAlso, what great experience did Obama bring? Community Organizing? Lol!Let's see; the country didn't implode, we've recovering from the recession, obamacare actually helped out people that live with lifelong chronic illnesses (which were allowed to be dropped before hand) - I know of two close people that are able to afford treatment because of it, that they would have paid full price with no insurance before it. Amazing? No. Better than Bush? Pretty much. He's pretty average; no complaints. Nothing directly benefited me that I can remember, but nothing hurt me either. So that's a win. We saw some social progression under his watch (gay marriage. I'm not gay, but glad that shit is finally sorted out). I dunno - I've never been all over his nuts, so maybe someone else could chime in.
Obama comments are fair. My biggest deal with him is the affordable care act. It doubled my premiums, and I work in Health Care Admin, so understand the bullshit with it. Besides that, mainly think his foreign policy is spineless.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/09/2016, 09:32 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/09/2016, 09:32 PM
In other news 20,000 people voted for Harambe the dead Gorilla. Seriously.
http://www.vox.com/2016/11/9/13572332/harambe-write-in-votes-election
http://www.vox.com/2016/11/9/13572332/harambe-write-in-votes-election
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 10:02 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 10:02 PM
Maybe the teenage angst was the only connection I've had to metal. Maybe I never really had a true connection with it. I tend to like lyricless metal though. It's pretty great in Lords of Thunder, if you call that metal (without lyrics, I'm not sure you can).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 11:20 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 11:20 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 11/09/2016, 07:28 PMNailed it, Joe. People who supported Trump eventually did so in private to avoid being mocked and labeled, thus not being poled, thus throwing off everyone. Bernie was clearly fucked over by the Clinton camp so agreed. We'll never know. She lost to Trump. This means she was truly a shitty candidate. I personally feel indifferent over this, too busy making ends meet.Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 05:44 PMLeave it up to Democrats to force people to get out there and vote, and cry like little bitches when people actually did!They saw it as a challenge. Lose to an election that's almost assuredly handed to you. How could anyone lose to Trump??? They found a way. Probably could have won with Bernie but we'll never know. Hillary's supporters certainly didn't help with their marginalizing and mocking of non-supporters. And now they are at it x10. Great game plan.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 11:47 PM
Post by: crazydean on 11/09/2016, 11:47 PM
Those damn goverrats. They got us arguing over important topics such as how great heavy metal music is. Next thing is going to be talk of how great FEKA is compared to the turbob.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 12:34 AM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 12:34 AM
What was interesting is that she won the popular vote, but there's not much talk about it. I guess it's more like an interesting footnote into this whole thing.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/10/2016, 12:37 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/10/2016, 12:37 AM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 11/10/2016, 01:30 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 11/10/2016, 01:30 AM
http://youtu.be/grD_IINiH9c
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: crazydean on 11/10/2016, 01:38 AM
Post by: crazydean on 11/10/2016, 01:38 AM
Quote from: NightWolve on 11/10/2016, 01:30 AMhttp://youtu.be/grD_IINiH9cWhat a great video. Hilarious!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 11/10/2016, 02:40 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 11/10/2016, 02:40 AM
Hypocrisy in politics has always been there but it seems to be magnified 10 fold this year. While the right is definitely not immune to this I find it ironic that the same liberals calling for unity after 2012 are the ones bitching, complaining and blatantly bad mouthing the new President elect. The party that claims to preach tolerance and be against bigotry are the ones out there rioting and burning things down at this very moment.
Lets not forget that Trump is not a true conservative and alienated the GOP so the fact that they still hold the majority of Congress may mean nothing. I am also tired of people bitching about how this election came down to 2 extremely terrible candidates yet only 9% of the country actually voted in the primaries.
Lets not forget that Trump is not a true conservative and alienated the GOP so the fact that they still hold the majority of Congress may mean nothing. I am also tired of people bitching about how this election came down to 2 extremely terrible candidates yet only 9% of the country actually voted in the primaries.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/10/2016, 03:06 AM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/10/2016, 03:06 AM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/10/2016, 03:29 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/10/2016, 03:29 AM
QuoteThe party that claims to preach tolerance and be against bigotry are the ones out there rioting and burning things down at this very momentOver the past few years, an entire generation has learned that protests and riots are how people communicate in this country. And unfortunately, there hasn't been enough distinction (I'm looking at the media here) between peaceful protests and illegal/violent protests.
Also consider that our country's liberal youth has never experienced a presidential loss (for people age 29 and under, their first election was Obama/McCain). This pain is new to them.
I am perfectly fine with thousands of people expressing their pain through peaceful protest. They have a right to be heard as they learn a hard lesson about how to live with people who have different opinions. But I have no sympathy and no desire to understand children who try to impose their beliefs through destruction or violence. I hope these post-election protests remain peaceful. Apparently there was some shooting in Seattle.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 08:08 AM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 08:08 AM
That's right! I almost forgot Trump was a Democrat and a Clinton donor for more years than he's been a Republican.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DeshDildo on 11/10/2016, 08:27 AM
Post by: DeshDildo on 11/10/2016, 08:27 AM
Null, I'm trying not to generalize. I apologize if that's how it came off. Yes, there have been violent protests 2 nights in a row in the bay area and already a petition out there for California to secede from the union.
I identitfy as conservative because I believe in smaller government and being fiscally responsible. I am also fairly liberal on social issues (WTF do I care if 2 guys want to get married, or you can go to the store and buy some weed)? I vote comservative because those issues are most important to me as I feel it is the core strength of any governement, business etc. and I feel most social issues can be handled on the state level. That being said, neither candidate was worthy of my vote. It just goes to show my original point. The primariew are the most important part of the election! Instead of bitching, take the losses on the chin and be sure to vote everytime you can.
I identitfy as conservative because I believe in smaller government and being fiscally responsible. I am also fairly liberal on social issues (WTF do I care if 2 guys want to get married, or you can go to the store and buy some weed)? I vote comservative because those issues are most important to me as I feel it is the core strength of any governement, business etc. and I feel most social issues can be handled on the state level. That being said, neither candidate was worthy of my vote. It just goes to show my original point. The primariew are the most important part of the election! Instead of bitching, take the losses on the chin and be sure to vote everytime you can.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AM
I think the whole email server thing hurt Clinton more than anything else. It's funny, though, seeing as most people don't care even a little bit that so many prominent Republicans (George W Bush, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Rick Perry, etc.) also ran goverat business through their own private servers.
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 12:34 AMWhat was interesting is that she won the popular vote, but there's not much talk about it. I guess it's more like an interesting footnote into this whole thing.Yeah, that shit bugs me. The electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 11/10/2016, 09:43 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 11/10/2016, 09:43 AM
I'm looking forward to the Republican Utopia we've been promised. Now that they control every branch of government, we're gonna win so much we're gonna get sick of winning!
USA! USA! USA!
USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jperryss on 11/10/2016, 10:11 AM
Post by: jperryss on 11/10/2016, 10:11 AM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/09/2016, 10:02 PMMaybe the teenage angst was the only connection I've had to metal. Maybe I never really had a true connection with it. I tend to like lyricless metal though. It's pretty great in Lords of Thunder, if you call that metal (without lyrics, I'm not sure you can).LoT and GoT were my absolute favorite discs to pop into a CD player and listen to. Reminds me of Symphony X, Yngwie, and even Judas Priest a bit.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Medic_wheat on 11/10/2016, 12:06 PM
Post by: Medic_wheat on 11/10/2016, 12:06 PM
Slightly gamer related.
Anita Sarkisian put out a two minute video in response to Trump winning. And as expected because a republic is elected SJW women's rights, and the LGBT community should be afraid according to her. As well as get ready to fight back.
Also it's only white patriarchy because a white man was elected and not the white woman. Because this has some how caused us as Americans to take a step back in progression and minority rights.
How? The changes and rights givin to the LGBT community in both marriage and military service. As well as the rights for females in the military to serve in combat jobs will not be taken away like some kind of grinch.
Anita Sarkisian put out a two minute video in response to Trump winning. And as expected because a republic is elected SJW women's rights, and the LGBT community should be afraid according to her. As well as get ready to fight back.
Also it's only white patriarchy because a white man was elected and not the white woman. Because this has some how caused us as Americans to take a step back in progression and minority rights.
How? The changes and rights givin to the LGBT community in both marriage and military service. As well as the rights for females in the military to serve in combat jobs will not be taken away like some kind of grinch.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 01:04 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 01:04 PM
At least some of those rights will be lost in court battles after Trump nominates far right judges to the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 01:35 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 01:35 PM
At least as in relief? Or at least as in quantity? Hard to tell the tone there...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Mednafen on 11/10/2016, 01:50 PM
Post by: Mednafen on 11/10/2016, 01:50 PM
Something(chilly air? :p)'s very, very wrong when people feel the need to vote for a blatant psychopath like Trump for President. There's calculated contortion of the narrative that many politicians are guilty of, and then there's shameless straight-faced repeated lying Trump has engaged in. Hopefully people understand the sort of person they elected, and we don't find out the hard way how easily the gap between truth and the perception of truth can become gargantuan.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 01:59 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 01:59 PM
Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 01:35 PMAt least as in relief? Or at least as in quantity? Hard to tell the tone there...Just quantity. Everyone should have equal access to public things, no matter their race, gender, sexuality, etc.
And I sure as hell don't give a fuck who's using what toilet. It could be just one big unisex restroom for all I care.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 11/10/2016, 02:09 PM
Post by: geise on 11/10/2016, 02:09 PM
Everyone should have equal access to obey. Not just collectards.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: glazball on 11/10/2016, 02:54 PM
Post by: glazball on 11/10/2016, 02:54 PM
Quote from: guest on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AMThe electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.You fuckin nailed it Necro.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/10/2016, 03:47 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 11/10/2016, 03:47 PM
Quote from: guest on 11/10/2016, 01:59 PMAgreed. I want to more easily be able to look at vaginas too.Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 01:35 PMAt least as in relief? Or at least as in quantity? Hard to tell the tone there...Just quantity. Everyone should have equal access to public things, no matter their race, gender, sexuality, etc.
And I sure as hell don't give a fuck who's using what toilet. It could be just one big unisex restroom for all I care.
Quote from: glazball on 11/10/2016, 02:54 PMProblem is that the popular vote is also a bad representation of what people want, as the vast majority of the country doesn't vote. Mandatory voting is an odd fix too, because most of the country dosent know anything about who is running. Electoral college isn't a perfect system, but popular vote on its own sure as hell isn't either, I would like to hear some better alternatives.Quote from: guest on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AMThe electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.You fuckin nailed it Necro.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 11/10/2016, 04:25 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 11/10/2016, 04:25 PM
How about passing a basic IQ and civics test. I'm sure that'd help. ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 11/10/2016, 04:53 PM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 11/10/2016, 04:53 PM
What's the point of a civics test if you don't need an ID to vote.
And lol @ an IQ test in 2016, almost 2017.
And lol @ an IQ test in 2016, almost 2017.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 11/10/2016, 04:58 PM
Post by: Otaking on 11/10/2016, 04:58 PM
How about all voters need to pass a basic pussy grabbing test.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: xcrement5x on 11/10/2016, 05:07 PM
Post by: xcrement5x on 11/10/2016, 05:07 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 11/10/2016, 03:47 PMI think splitting the electoral votes in a given state to represent the popular vote would make things much more equal (level,even? Can't really put my finger on the term I want). All or nothing is ridiculous, we're not gambling here.Quote from: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 01:59 PMAgreed. I want to more easily be able to look at vaginas too.Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 01:35 PMAt least as in relief? Or at least as in quantity? Hard to tell the tone there...Just quantity. Everyone should have equal access to public things, no matter their race, gender, sexuality, etc.
And I sure as hell don't give a fuck who's using what toilet. It could be just one big unisex restroom for all I care.Quote from: glazball on 11/10/2016, 02:54 PMProblem is that the popular vote is also a bad representation of what people want, as the vast majority of the country doesn't vote. Mandatory voting is an odd fix too, because most of the country dosent know anything about who is running. Electoral college isn't a perfect system, but popular vote on its own sure as hell isn't either, I would like to hear some better alternatives.Quote from: NecroPhile on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AMThe electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.You fuckin nailed it Necro.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 11/10/2016, 06:56 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 11/10/2016, 06:56 PM
Quote from: Psycho Punch on 11/10/2016, 04:53 PMWhat's the point of a civics test if you don't need an ID to vote.Forgive my ignorance, but what does one have to do with the other?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/10/2016, 07:59 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/10/2016, 07:59 PM
QuoteThe electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.Strongly disagree with eliminating the electoral college, but I agree with states splitting their votes. Unlike removing the electoral college, vote-splitting is something that could realistically happen since it's up to the individual states to decide.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 11/10/2016, 08:13 PM
Post by: elmer on 11/10/2016, 08:13 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 11/08/2016, 11:27 PMI'm surprised no one brought this up: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/simpsons-writer-who-predicted-trump-876295So Lisa becomes President after President Trump bankrupts the country? :-k
Crazy cause Trump might actually win this..
Could that perhaps be with an orgy of borrowing for job-creating infrastructure projects? :-k
Now remind me again, what is the name "Lisa" a contraction for ... ... ... ah, yes, Elizabeth!
Elizabeth Warren 2020, anyone???
The USA really could be just as cartoon-like as people from other countries believe! :wink:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 09:19 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 09:19 PM
Quote from: glazball on 11/10/2016, 02:54 PMWhat we're really saying is, "The EC ONLY needs to go when my candidate loses. When my candidate wins, however, I love the EC!" *rolls eyes*Quote from: guest on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AMThe electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.You fuckin nailed it Necro.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Mednafen on 11/10/2016, 09:46 PM
Post by: Mednafen on 11/10/2016, 09:46 PM
Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 09:19 PMWhat we're really saying is, "The EC ONLY needs to go when my candidate loses. When my candidate wins, however, I love the EC!" *rolls eyes*When was the last time a Democratic Party Presidential candidate won the electoral college vote but lost the popular vote? ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 11/10/2016, 10:10 PM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 11/10/2016, 10:10 PM
You don't need a direct vote system, nor compulsory voting for every citizen. Trust me.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 10:17 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 10:17 PM
Quote from: Mednafen on 11/10/2016, 09:46 PMI see what you mean. My point is that had Clinton won but lost the popular vote, Clinton supporters would somehow look the other way when it comes to the EC. And why shouldn't they? That's what Trump supporters are doing now. Would be interesting to see how many popular votes come in from the remaining states. She is up at the time of this writing though.Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 09:19 PMWhat we're really saying is, "The EC ONLY needs to go when my candidate loses. When my candidate wins, however, I love the EC!" *rolls eyes*When was the last time a Democratic Party Presidential candidate won the electoral college vote but lost the popular vote? ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 10:20 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 10:20 PM
Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 09:19 PMNobody is saying that, you're just running your imagination into fucking overtime :)Quote from: glazball on 11/10/2016, 02:54 PMWhat we're really saying is, "The EC ONLY needs to go when my candidate loses. When my candidate wins, however, I love the EC!" *rolls eyes*Quote from: guest on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AMThe electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.You fuckin nailed it Necro.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 10:25 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 10:25 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 10:20 PMNo way! Show me proof that there were all these angry Obama supporters happy that he won but bitching about the EC as he won. Show me one Trump supporter who's saying, "Fuck yea!! Trump...oh and the EC needs to fucking go!" No.. when your candidate wins, you're too busy celebrating and can give fuck all about the EC. It's only a problem when your candidate loses. EC is not going away anyway, it takes literally an act of congress to change, and no Dem or Rep will act to change it since it CAN work to their advantage. Think about it.Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 09:19 PMNobody is saying that, you're just running your imagination into fucking overtime :)Quote from: glazball on 11/10/2016, 02:54 PMWhat we're really saying is, "The EC ONLY needs to go when my candidate loses. When my candidate wins, however, I love the EC!" *rolls eyes*Quote from: guest on 11/10/2016, 09:37 AMThe electoral college needs to go, or at least each state should split their votes (like Maine and Nebraska do) to better represent the popular vote.You fuckin nailed it Necro.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 11:30 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 11:30 PM
Well, not in so many words, cause he has good words, lots of good words - Trump had an issue with the EC system himself. Does that count?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 11:47 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 11:47 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/10/2016, 11:30 PMWell, not in so many words, cause he has good words, lots of good words - Trump had an issue with the EC system himself. Does that count?Sort of does for sure, but then again it happened before he won.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 11/11/2016, 01:01 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 11/11/2016, 01:01 AM
Many of you know I'm pretty left. I was/am a diehard Sanders fan. I believe there is a lot of merit in the European way of doing things. I really feel like this country has gone downhill since Reagan. I feel like trickle down economics have really hurt the lower and middle class working people of this country.
All that said. I am willing to give the GOP this chance. They have full control, Presidency, House, Senate and Supreme Court (for the rest of my life unfortunately) If they can somehow pull it off and "Make America Great" and somehow get the middle class back on its feet without just completely destroying the ecology of this planet, I could be converted. Ill keep an open mind as best I can. This is your chance GOP, if you don't deliver, it will be your end.
All that said. I am willing to give the GOP this chance. They have full control, Presidency, House, Senate and Supreme Court (for the rest of my life unfortunately) If they can somehow pull it off and "Make America Great" and somehow get the middle class back on its feet without just completely destroying the ecology of this planet, I could be converted. Ill keep an open mind as best I can. This is your chance GOP, if you don't deliver, it will be your end.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: thesteve on 11/11/2016, 01:43 AM
Post by: thesteve on 11/11/2016, 01:43 AM
nailed it beemer
as for the EC, it prevents a ballot stuffing operation in one state from overriding the rest of the country
that only works however if the census isnt rigged/tampered
as for the EC, it prevents a ballot stuffing operation in one state from overriding the rest of the country
that only works however if the census isnt rigged/tampered
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 02:30 AM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 02:30 AM
+1 to Beemer and Steve!
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/11/2016, 05:44 AM
Post by: esteban on 11/11/2016, 05:44 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 11/11/2016, 01:01 AMMany of you know I'm pretty left. I was/am a diehard Sanders fan. I believe there is a lot of merit in the European way of doing things. I really feel like this country has gone downhill since Reagan. I feel like trickle down economics have really hurt the lower and middle class working people of this country.I love Beemer, but he is too kind and gracious. :)
All that said. I am willing to give the GOP this chance. They have full control, Presidency, House, Senate and Supreme Court (for the rest of my life unfortunately) If they can somehow pull it off and "Make America Great" and somehow get the middle class back on its feet without just completely destroying the ecology of this planet, I could be converted. Ill keep an open mind as best I can. This is your chance GOP, if you don't deliver, it will be your end.
This is the nicest thing I can say: Trump's era will re-energize progressives to continue fighting, as we always have. And it will baptize (by fire) a new generation.
Growing up with the Reagan administration was the single-most important experience of my life. Everything I am now is rooted in Reagan's/Thatcher's legacy of inequality and brutality (America's national pastime was/is demonizing/scapegoating the most vulnerable groups in society).
I told my daughter that the creative, resilient battle against inequality/ injustice is lifelong. It always has been.
Even on a personal level: The best music, the best art, the best film, the best literature, the best research, the best journalism, et cetera, et cetera... is birthed from this struggle.
Like Beemer, I will welcome any progressive policies from Trump administration that result in net positives socially, politically, economically....
...but that won't happen.
I doubt that even a Clinton administration would have been able to achieve much (considering the state of Congress).
The Democrats have been Republican-Lite for decades (Bill Clinton, for example, absolutely decimated social welfare programs... It was a circle jerk of epic proportions as Republicans and Democrats gave each other facials when they weren't swallowing gallons of cum).
Considering how far right the Democrats and Republicans have shifted, we have a lot of work to do.
I blame the Democrats for selling out decades ago.
Fuck 'em.
Fuck me.
TRIVIA: Reagan visited my hometown of Bloomfield, NJ back in the day...the first and last time a president will do so? Maybe not. I am hoping Trump and Chrisite invite me to join them for a coffee+baklava at one of the diners in Bloomfield. Naturally, it will be a little awkward—I'll have to tell Christie to suck my left one *after* Trump is finished.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/11/2016, 09:07 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 11/11/2016, 09:07 AM
Without monetary reform nothing will ever change. That is all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/11/2016, 09:32 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/11/2016, 09:32 AM
Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/10/2016, 09:19 PMWhat we're really saying is, "The EC ONLY needs to go when my candidate loses. When my candidate wins, however, I love the EC!" *rolls eyes*I voted for Bush in 2000 and said the Electoral College was wrong then too. Go stuff words in someone else's mouth, asshole.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 12:58 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 12:58 PM
I never said Obama didn't win both; read.
Necro, I love you, man! Love Trumps Hate!
Necro, I love you, man! Love Trumps Hate!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 03:12 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 03:12 PM
Null, I totally agree with what you said, just wanted to point out I never argued he didn't win both. I agree with you in that bitching there wouldn't have made sense which is why winners don't remember to go against the EC in the end.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/11/2016, 03:43 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/11/2016, 03:43 PM
Translation: whiny twat wants to feel superior to others and posts ignorant, made-up nonsense.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 11/11/2016, 04:39 PM
Post by: Otaking on 11/11/2016, 04:39 PM
Looking at some worldwide newspaper headlines on Trump and saw this awesome one from Mexico, FUUUCK!
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(https://web.archive.org/web/20170216021317im_/http://static.deathandtaxesmag.com/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-10-at-9.16.59-AM-1478788537-compressed.png)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 05:11 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 11/11/2016, 05:11 PM
Necro, good on you for still wanting the EC gone even when your candidate has won!
It shows the rest of us that you are not a hypocrite like so many people I know, (including myself). Which is why I've admired you for some time.
Apologies that you thought I was putting words in your mouth and that I'm an asshole. I really mean that.
It shows the rest of us that you are not a hypocrite like so many people I know, (including myself). Which is why I've admired you for some time.
Apologies that you thought I was putting words in your mouth and that I'm an asshole. I really mean that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: dallaspattern on 11/12/2016, 12:10 AM
Post by: dallaspattern on 11/12/2016, 12:10 AM
Your electoral collage is like out first past the post system. They're both outdated and don't perform in modern day politics the way they were designed to over a hundred years ago. There's a movement up here to bring in proportional representation, which would give the other parties a chance as well as making sure people are voted in according to the number of actual ballots cast. Modern day democracies have caught on to this long ago, it's a shame it's taken so long in the west.
As an aside, I wonder if all those angry alt-right turds have figured out that electing a bigot still won't get them laid.
As an aside, I wonder if all those angry alt-right turds have figured out that electing a bigot still won't get them laid.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/12/2016, 04:13 AM
Post by: esteban on 11/12/2016, 04:13 AM
Quote from: dallaspattern on 11/12/2016, 12:10 AMAs an aside, I wonder if all those angry alt-right turds have figured out that electing a bigot still won't get them laid.Hahahhahaha.
I feel a little better now.
Laughter really is the best medicine.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bernie on 11/12/2016, 08:39 AM
Post by: Bernie on 11/12/2016, 08:39 AM
Quote from: dallaspattern on 11/12/2016, 12:10 AMYour electoral collage is like out first past the post system. They're both outdated and don't perform in modern day politics the way they were designed to over a hundred years ago. There's a movement up here to bring in proportional representation, which would give the other parties a chance as well as making sure people are voted in according to the number of actual ballots cast. Modern day democracies have caught on to this long ago, it's a shame it's taken so long in the west.Gotta love how some think he is a bigot.
As an aside, I wonder if all those angry alt-right turds have figured out that electing a bigot still won't get them laid.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: thesteve on 11/12/2016, 02:48 PM
Post by: thesteve on 11/12/2016, 02:48 PM
without the electoral college the rest of the country would have kicked California out years ago
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/12/2016, 09:09 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/12/2016, 09:09 PM
Quote from: Bernie on 11/12/2016, 08:39 AMGotta love how some think he is a bigot.Blatantly refusing to disavow the KKK endorsement, by playing dumb, when questioned about it? I dunno. Probably a lot of other things he's said (though take your pick if it's bigotry or xenophobia, or both).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 11/12/2016, 11:00 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 11/12/2016, 11:00 PM
If Donald Trump isn't a bigot, a man who's made numerous negative statements about people based solely on their gender, race, and religion, a man sued for racial discrimination and lost, a man who peddled the phony birth certificate lie for 8 years, then the word bigot has no meaning anymore.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/12/2016, 11:34 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/12/2016, 11:34 PM
The word bigot *doesn't* have any meaning anymore, thanks to people who abused it (this election being an example). The words "racist" and "misogynist" don't have meaning anymore, either (that was true even before the election started).
Maybe someday after people calm the heck down, these words can start to meaning something again. But for now I've passed the point of caring and entered the point of LOLing.
Maybe someday after people calm the heck down, these words can start to meaning something again. But for now I've passed the point of caring and entered the point of LOLing.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/13/2016, 12:49 AM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/13/2016, 12:49 AM
They have meaning. They haven't lost anything. It's just more and more behavior is attributed to them. For example in the 80's and 90's, it was fine for "boys to be boys" and even take advantage of intoxicated girls (it's the girls fault; she should have known better) - "Sixteen Candles" is a prime example. If you watch this movie now and don't see the glaring issue with it - then I don't know what to say. I'm fine with definitions including the finer/small points that often get overlooked as "innocent" or "didn't really mean much by it". Those finer/small things are pretty annoying when frequency of use is pretty high. Yeah, they might not be blunt and insulting as other more serious views/attitudes/etc, but their impact is makes up for it in quantity. It applies to all these things; sexism, xenophobia, racism, bigotry, sexual assault culture, etc. For me, it wasn't so much of what Trump said in relation to those things, but that half the country resonated with it - or dismissed it. And this, coming from a person that's supposed to be a leader figure. The validation it gives to these attitudes is disgusting to be honest.
If this bothers you (complaining about the growing "insensitivity" of people), then it's a sign that you're part of a fading generation - your views and values aren't inline with current society. Better start practicing "get off my lawn", old timers :)
I know people were pissed off at the political elites (both sides), but I have no idea how any of these negative things Trump embraced had to do with any of that. I keep hearing that people were pissed, or sick and tired of politicians. Ok. I completely get that - even agree. But the stuff he said?? I don't get it.
If only Trump used his power for good, instead of republican... lol
If this bothers you (complaining about the growing "insensitivity" of people), then it's a sign that you're part of a fading generation - your views and values aren't inline with current society. Better start practicing "get off my lawn", old timers :)
I know people were pissed off at the political elites (both sides), but I have no idea how any of these negative things Trump embraced had to do with any of that. I keep hearing that people were pissed, or sick and tired of politicians. Ok. I completely get that - even agree. But the stuff he said?? I don't get it.
If only Trump used his power for good, instead of republican... lol
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/13/2016, 04:00 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/13/2016, 04:00 AM
I haven't seen "Sixteen Candles", so I can't comment on that.
Misogyny
Sexism is prejudice and stereotyping based on gender. Misogyny is supposed to mean hatred of women. Many people now use the words interchangeably. Therefore, "misogynist" has lost its meaning. It's just a synonym for "sexist" now.
Example:
"Women shouldn't be in the military. They're weaker than men and will just get hurt."
This is sexism (based on biological probability), but it's not misogyny. There's no indication of any dislike of women -- in fact, the sexist who says this might cherish the women in his life.
I've been called a misogynist more than once for admitting to (and defending) sexist views. It bothered me for a while, but that's why I've just started laughing at people who call me misogynist. And then I say something extra-sexist just to piss them off. Incidentally, 90% of the time it's a dude who's calling me a misogynist. Women tend to like me.
Racist
Racism is supposed to mean prejudice and stereotyping based on race. Many people now use the word to mean negative statements or behavior towards people of a minority race. Therefore, "racist" has lost its meaning. It now means "you said something I don't like and I want to undermine your credibility by using a socially-charged epithet".
Example:
"We should stop illegal immigrants from Mexico. There are too many rapists and murderers coming into the country."
This is not racist. It's about protecting our citizens from non-citizens. It might be an unfair generalization about Mexicans who cross the border illegally, but it's not based on race. It's based on the fact that there *is* a lot of border crime, and that there *is* a massive drug war going on in Mexico right now (especially in the areas closer to the border).
Also worth noting that "Mexican" is not a race. There are multiple races in Mexico, and I don't want any of them illegally entering the country. That includes the white ones.
Being called racist still bothers me. I want to say something like "if I were actually racist, then I would make jokes like [insert racist joke here]", but I don't have the heart. That would make me feel guilty. So I just laugh in their face and say "YOU'RE THE RACIST!!" instead.
Misogyny
Sexism is prejudice and stereotyping based on gender. Misogyny is supposed to mean hatred of women. Many people now use the words interchangeably. Therefore, "misogynist" has lost its meaning. It's just a synonym for "sexist" now.
Example:
"Women shouldn't be in the military. They're weaker than men and will just get hurt."
This is sexism (based on biological probability), but it's not misogyny. There's no indication of any dislike of women -- in fact, the sexist who says this might cherish the women in his life.
I've been called a misogynist more than once for admitting to (and defending) sexist views. It bothered me for a while, but that's why I've just started laughing at people who call me misogynist. And then I say something extra-sexist just to piss them off. Incidentally, 90% of the time it's a dude who's calling me a misogynist. Women tend to like me.
Racist
Racism is supposed to mean prejudice and stereotyping based on race. Many people now use the word to mean negative statements or behavior towards people of a minority race. Therefore, "racist" has lost its meaning. It now means "you said something I don't like and I want to undermine your credibility by using a socially-charged epithet".
Example:
"We should stop illegal immigrants from Mexico. There are too many rapists and murderers coming into the country."
This is not racist. It's about protecting our citizens from non-citizens. It might be an unfair generalization about Mexicans who cross the border illegally, but it's not based on race. It's based on the fact that there *is* a lot of border crime, and that there *is* a massive drug war going on in Mexico right now (especially in the areas closer to the border).
Also worth noting that "Mexican" is not a race. There are multiple races in Mexico, and I don't want any of them illegally entering the country. That includes the white ones.
Being called racist still bothers me. I want to say something like "if I were actually racist, then I would make jokes like [insert racist joke here]", but I don't have the heart. That would make me feel guilty. So I just laugh in their face and say "YOU'RE THE RACIST!!" instead.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/13/2016, 04:45 AM
Post by: esteban on 11/13/2016, 04:45 AM
^ Emerald, you are trolling again. Nobody is fooled by you. I love playing the fool to your arsenic lollipop, so I'll bite. Or lick, as it were. A long, sickly-sweet lick.
Discounting/denying the existence of inequality, of course, is a trope that has lost its meaning. We have all heard it, ad nauseam, for millennia. Don't think I don't appreciate the irony of your tactics. :) You invoke the ideals of "safety" and "protection", but you offer no such safety or protection to the most vulnerable groups in our society.
Emerald, we've heard it before. Rationalizing inequality/ denying it exists is hackneyed. It has lost its meaning. You don't have to demonize these vulnerable people, either, because scapegoating them is just as hackneyed.
Plus, you are too intelligent to *really* believe anything you wrote.
I know you achieve perverse pleasure rationalizing Trump's views for the purposes of trolling. Contrarians of the world, unite! I get it.
But even a nimble contortionist, such as yourself, needs to take an occasional break. If not, put that creative, fanciful energy of yours to work on your next post.
PROTIP: Inequality and injustice do not cease to exist because you find some words trite and cliche.
Also, if you are going to troll, at least have the courtesy to perform your alchemy on *institutional/structural inequality*, because that is the crux of any genuine discussion/worthwhile troll.
You're welcome, comrade! I am happy to feed you. :)
Discounting/denying the existence of inequality, of course, is a trope that has lost its meaning. We have all heard it, ad nauseam, for millennia. Don't think I don't appreciate the irony of your tactics. :) You invoke the ideals of "safety" and "protection", but you offer no such safety or protection to the most vulnerable groups in our society.
Emerald, we've heard it before. Rationalizing inequality/ denying it exists is hackneyed. It has lost its meaning. You don't have to demonize these vulnerable people, either, because scapegoating them is just as hackneyed.
Plus, you are too intelligent to *really* believe anything you wrote.
I know you achieve perverse pleasure rationalizing Trump's views for the purposes of trolling. Contrarians of the world, unite! I get it.
But even a nimble contortionist, such as yourself, needs to take an occasional break. If not, put that creative, fanciful energy of yours to work on your next post.
PROTIP: Inequality and injustice do not cease to exist because you find some words trite and cliche.
Also, if you are going to troll, at least have the courtesy to perform your alchemy on *institutional/structural inequality*, because that is the crux of any genuine discussion/worthwhile troll.
You're welcome, comrade! I am happy to feed you. :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: crazydean on 11/13/2016, 02:10 PM
Post by: crazydean on 11/13/2016, 02:10 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 11/13/2016, 04:00 AMI haven't seen "Sixteen Candles", so I can't comment on that.Seriously, get out of here with all your *facts*. The most important thing today is making sure everyone feels good about themselves.
Misogyny
Sexism is prejudice and stereotyping based on gender. Misogyny is supposed to mean hatred of women. Many people now use the words interchangeably. Therefore, "misogynist" has lost its meaning. It's just a synonym for "sexist" now.
Example:
"Women shouldn't be in the military. They're weaker than men and will just get hurt."
This is sexism (based on biological probability), but it's not misogyny. There's no indication of any dislike of women -- in fact, the sexist who says this might cherish the women in his life.
I've been called a misogynist more than once for admitting to (and defending) sexist views. It bothered me for a while, but that's why I've just started laughing at people who call me misogynist. And then I say something extra-sexist just to piss them off. Incidentally, 90% of the time it's a dude who's calling me a misogynist. Women tend to like me.
Racist
Racism is supposed to mean prejudice and stereotyping based on race. Many people now use the word to mean negative statements or behavior towards people of a minority race. Therefore, "racist" has lost its meaning. It now means "you said something I don't like and I want to undermine your credibility by using a socially-charged epithet".
Example:
"We should stop illegal immigrants from Mexico. There are too many rapists and murderers coming into the country."
This is not racist. It's about protecting our citizens from non-citizens. It might be an unfair generalization about Mexicans who cross the border illegally, but it's not based on race. It's based on the fact that there *is* a lot of border crime, and that there *is* a massive drug war going on in Mexico right now (especially in the areas closer to the border).
Also worth noting that "Mexican" is not a race. There are multiple races in Mexico, and I don't want any of them illegally entering the country. That includes the white ones.
Being called racist still bothers me. I want to say something like "if I were actually racist, then I would make jokes like [insert racist joke here]", but I don't have the heart. That would make me feel guilty. So I just laugh in their face and say "YOU'RE THE RACIST!!" instead.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/13/2016, 02:33 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/13/2016, 02:33 PM
Esteban, you're misinterpreting what I wrote. I never denied or rationalized the existence of inequality or injustice. I said that people are using certain words -- words of particular intent -- in situations where that particular intent does not apply. And by doing so, those words are losing their meaning (which also means they are losing their power).
Go ahead and argue that a border wall is a bad idea. Go ahead and argue that most illegal immigrants aren't criminals, or that the internal strife in Mexico isn't as bad as I think it is (my friends in Mexico would disagree with you). But don't call me racist. The more often someone is unfairly called a racist, the more likely it is that they will eventually have an irrational response -- such as saying or doing something extremely racist just to piss you off. No one wins if that happens.
Now I will address the new topics that you brought up.
1. Injustice is a terrible thing. For example, it would be unjust to grant citizenship rights to illegal immigrants when there are thousands of immigrants who are trying to follow the process legally. I oppose such injustice.
2. Inequality can be bad. For example, the old-time laws that prevented citizens of color from voting were bad. I support voting rights for people of color.
3. Inequality can be good. For example, I think it's great that citizens can vote but non-citizens cannot. I'll champion that kind of inequality for days.
Go ahead and argue that a border wall is a bad idea. Go ahead and argue that most illegal immigrants aren't criminals, or that the internal strife in Mexico isn't as bad as I think it is (my friends in Mexico would disagree with you). But don't call me racist. The more often someone is unfairly called a racist, the more likely it is that they will eventually have an irrational response -- such as saying or doing something extremely racist just to piss you off. No one wins if that happens.
Now I will address the new topics that you brought up.
1. Injustice is a terrible thing. For example, it would be unjust to grant citizenship rights to illegal immigrants when there are thousands of immigrants who are trying to follow the process legally. I oppose such injustice.
2. Inequality can be bad. For example, the old-time laws that prevented citizens of color from voting were bad. I support voting rights for people of color.
3. Inequality can be good. For example, I think it's great that citizens can vote but non-citizens cannot. I'll champion that kind of inequality for days.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/13/2016, 02:50 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/13/2016, 02:50 PM
I know they don't teach this in high school, but at some point in college (in your undergrade general courses), you should have learned at some point that dictionaries are not the authority on the strict meaning of words. They only report the popular usage of the word at that given time. Words, like all language, are organic and often times not strictly bound to one particular meaning. And I'm not talking about the trend to repurpose words with alternate meanings ("cool", "bad", etc).
That said, misogyny is the fear of women. Specifically, women in or rising to a position of power or authority. They, men, feel threatened on some deep inner level and thus the projection of anger - the typical outward response of fear. If one calls you misogynistic, it's probably because you're applying some stereotype or social construct as some sort of justification in arguing against whatever applicable role a women should play, act, or do. The person is simply making the assumption because you display this outwardly, that your view probably has its roots in misogyny. I mean, it's not a difficult connection to make. Maybe they're quick to call you that, but if you're simply laughing at people without any real honest introspect into the motives and underlying reasons for your own beliefs - well, that's just ignorance. Men have always been in a position of power over women. It's deep seeded in this society. And like a lot of learned behavior taught to children, as an adult you don't even understand the source of our own perspective. It's that deep ingrained.
That said, misogyny is the fear of women. Specifically, women in or rising to a position of power or authority. They, men, feel threatened on some deep inner level and thus the projection of anger - the typical outward response of fear. If one calls you misogynistic, it's probably because you're applying some stereotype or social construct as some sort of justification in arguing against whatever applicable role a women should play, act, or do. The person is simply making the assumption because you display this outwardly, that your view probably has its roots in misogyny. I mean, it's not a difficult connection to make. Maybe they're quick to call you that, but if you're simply laughing at people without any real honest introspect into the motives and underlying reasons for your own beliefs - well, that's just ignorance. Men have always been in a position of power over women. It's deep seeded in this society. And like a lot of learned behavior taught to children, as an adult you don't even understand the source of our own perspective. It's that deep ingrained.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 11/13/2016, 03:11 PM
Post by: Bloufo on 11/13/2016, 03:11 PM
Is "Calexit" a thing? lol
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/13/2016, 04:17 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/13/2016, 04:17 PM
QuoteThey only report the popular usage of the word at that given time. Words, like all language, are organic and often times not strictly bound to one particular meaningYep, this is true. I see which way the wind is blowing. But I'm on this crusade because as a linguistics major I appreciate the richness that precise language offers, and as a human being I appreciate civil discourse.
If the world instead chooses epithets and word-bullying as a means to silence alternative thought, I'll be fine. I can win at that game.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/13/2016, 05:28 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/13/2016, 05:28 PM
http://youtu.be/1d9lm-T87AQ
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/13/2016, 10:04 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/13/2016, 10:04 PM
http://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/14/2016, 10:56 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/14/2016, 10:56 PM
Misogyny is not the fear of women; it's the hatred of women. The fear of women is called gynophobia.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/15/2016, 08:47 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/15/2016, 08:47 AM
Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 11:20 PMGreat post. On point.Quote from: Joe Redifer on 11/09/2016, 07:28 PMNailed it, Joe. People who supported Trump eventually did so in private to avoid being mocked and labeled, thus not being poled, thus throwing off everyone. Bernie was clearly fucked over by the Clinton camp so agreed. We'll never know. She lost to Trump. This means she was truly a shitty candidate. I personally feel indifferent over this, too busy making ends meet.Quote from: MotherGunner on 11/09/2016, 05:44 PMLeave it up to Democrats to force people to get out there and vote, and cry like little bitches when people actually did!They saw it as a challenge. Lose to an election that's almost assuredly handed to you. How could anyone lose to Trump??? They found a way. Probably could have won with Bernie but we'll never know. Hillary's supporters certainly didn't help with their marginalizing and mocking of non-supporters. And now they are at it x10. Great game plan.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/15/2016, 08:49 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/15/2016, 08:49 AM
Quote from: guest on 11/10/2016, 09:43 AMI'm looking forward to the Republican Utopia we've been promised. Now that they control every branch of government, we're gonna win so much we're gonna get sick of winning!This guy gets it.
USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 06:18 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 06:18 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 11/14/2016, 10:56 PMMisogyny is not the fear of women; it's the hatred of women. The fear of women is called gynophobia.All hate comes from fear.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sadler on 11/15/2016, 06:58 PM
Post by: Sadler on 11/15/2016, 06:58 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 06:18 PMEhh, I wouldn't say I fear leaf blowers.Quote from: OldRover on 11/14/2016, 10:56 PMMisogyny is not the fear of women; it's the hatred of women. The fear of women is called gynophobia.All hate comes from fear.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 07:34 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 07:34 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 06:18 PMAll hate comes from fear.Nonsense. There are plenty of things I hate which I don't fear.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 07:59 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 07:59 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 07:34 PMJust because you don't realize it, doesn't mean it isn't there. It's not just a psychology model, it's a philosophical model as well.Quote from: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 06:18 PMAll hate comes from fear.Nonsense. There are plenty of things I hate which I don't fear.
Everything has a root; fear is the root of all negative emotions, feelings, beliefs, and responses - etc. I'm not saying the connection from the root to the response is sensical, it could be nonsensical, but your "ego" made that connection from some external stimuli at some point in your life; that's the role of the ego. And that external stimuli created the basis for the rationalization justifying the response. Your ego protects you from this; there's a wall that keeps you from peeking under the hood. It's so you don't to think about it, question it, which takes brain processor power to try and reconcile things - which sometimes aren't even reconcilable (although that tends to manifest itself in odd behaviors; projection being one of them). That's not only too slow, but it can result in odd patterns of behavior (non predictable results). Instead, your ego provides an instantaneous response in order for you deal with stimuli in a real-time situation. A lot of our assessment and behavior is modeled this way - quick access, quick response. This is like psychology 101.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 08:20 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 08:20 PM
I hate authoritarians. I don't fear them.
I hate misuse of they're, their, and there. I don't fear them.
I hate trolls. I don't fear them.
I hate racists. I don't fear them.
The examples are endless.
Also, I failed to mention this before... you used a false equivalence with your initial statement that I responded to. Even if your statement was true (which it isn't), you're falling into the "square/rectangle" problem here, man. Even if what you say about "fear is the root of all negative emotions" is true (and I am pretty sure it isn't, but whatever, I'll humor you for the sake of argument), you are literally redefining a word that not only already has its own meaning, but the definition you are assigning to it already has a word that the definition belongs to. And even if you *can* redefine that word, then you now also have to redefine the other two words in its group... are you willing to do that? Because the authoritarian left refuses to even recognize that *one* of those words is even a thing. And finally, conflating the two terms not only makes one of the terms redundant, it creates a semantic void for what the original term was.
Only those in the authoritarian left confuse the terms "misogyny" and "gynophobia". The rest of us know wtf these words actually mean. They do the same thing with "racism". It used to universally mean "belief that one's own race is superior to another" or "unfair discrimination based on race" but now, to these people, it seems to mean "disagreeing with a non-white while being white".
I hate misuse of they're, their, and there. I don't fear them.
I hate trolls. I don't fear them.
I hate racists. I don't fear them.
The examples are endless.
Also, I failed to mention this before... you used a false equivalence with your initial statement that I responded to. Even if your statement was true (which it isn't), you're falling into the "square/rectangle" problem here, man. Even if what you say about "fear is the root of all negative emotions" is true (and I am pretty sure it isn't, but whatever, I'll humor you for the sake of argument), you are literally redefining a word that not only already has its own meaning, but the definition you are assigning to it already has a word that the definition belongs to. And even if you *can* redefine that word, then you now also have to redefine the other two words in its group... are you willing to do that? Because the authoritarian left refuses to even recognize that *one* of those words is even a thing. And finally, conflating the two terms not only makes one of the terms redundant, it creates a semantic void for what the original term was.
Only those in the authoritarian left confuse the terms "misogyny" and "gynophobia". The rest of us know wtf these words actually mean. They do the same thing with "racism". It used to universally mean "belief that one's own race is superior to another" or "unfair discrimination based on race" but now, to these people, it seems to mean "disagreeing with a non-white while being white".
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/15/2016, 09:02 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 11/15/2016, 09:02 PM
'And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'
'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'I don't know what you mean by "glory",' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument",' Alice objected.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 10:46 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 10:46 PM
It could be worse... we could have a planet of Eevees. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: HailingTheThings on 11/16/2016, 12:19 AM
Post by: HailingTheThings on 11/16/2016, 12:19 AM
Quote from: Nulltard on 11/15/2016, 10:26 PMI defy anyone to not shudder at the thought of a planet full of Evos.That's some very scary shit, man.
*shudder*
Evo Cho Trumpniki
*more shudderering*
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/16/2016, 06:50 AM
Post by: esteban on 11/16/2016, 06:50 AM
I fear the second-half of the asteroid level in Sinistron... I am so frustrated I never figured out a good strategy...
I will never use a guide or watch a playthrough... I'll figure it out (even if I have to play just that stage in an emulator).
Also, that reminds me: I fear fear. I literally have a fear phobia. I guess it's better than my brother's phobia phobia.
I will never use a guide or watch a playthrough... I'll figure it out (even if I have to play just that stage in an emulator).
Also, that reminds me: I fear fear. I literally have a fear phobia. I guess it's better than my brother's phobia phobia.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/16/2016, 12:12 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/16/2016, 12:12 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 11/15/2016, 08:20 PMI hate authoritarians. I don't fear them.Look, you can believe what you want, all you want, but that doesn't make it true in the respect that it's not a source of your behavior and reaction. It you have true and honest introspect, able to look at what are the reasons that generate your motives without your defensive mechanisms getting in the way (denial, false objection, etc) - you'd begin to explore what I said. Instead, you're response is based on your ego's defense mechanism, because it already formed a foundation of beliefs and anything that threatens that is the immediate focus of denial or attack. Or, what, over a 100 years of psychological research is suddenly wrong and your gut instinct - without any scientific method of study and collaboration is right? I admit, psychology is a murky field if only because of the complexity of human behavior based on the arrangement of smaller elements as they assemble in a tree of behavior - but those smaller elements are known. It takes the psychologist or psychiatrist with the right tools of understanding, and the probing of questions to work backwards and trace back through that tree.
But sure, I'll bite.
You hate authoritarians because you fear someone else controlling you. The reason for the fear is unknown to me; it could be a teacher that treated you badly in school in early childhood. Or the perception of it, and it accumulated with multiple teachers. It could from a parent, or step parent. It could be from the absence of a parent. It could be any figure of authority that reflected negatively on you, and was allowed to with authority. But that original fear of not being in control, could be a manifestation of another fear - not meeting expectations, not good enough, not moral enough, not strong enough, etc. Control in that respect, is that if you are in control of your own life, you control the level of expectations, and achievements - and therefore you've created a foundation, the view, in which your able negate or deflect criticism when it suits you. Because you are in control, you set your own expectations, etc - and deny the expectations others have set, society has set, and so on.
And bringing it back around, anything that threatens that control, is met with an outward response of aggression. Hate, is a method of control. Is the attempt to take control of a situation. Hate is therefore empowerment. The empowerment to overcome fear. The ego reconciles this fear and response, and extends it to anything that is related to it. Because this strengthens that foundation, and it gets extended in general to all authoritarianism or immediate people in authority. Of course, the ego does allow exceptions. Personal interactions with someone could evaluate as them being not a threat, allowing you to perceive the person as less than an authority figure and more of an friend/ally that is just doing their job. Or loyalty - they found the right person to believe in, etc. There's just way too much here, that's out of scope of this post.
But the whole point here, is that you're completely unaware of the source of your own behavior. And if you don't understand how the underlying connections of the ego work, then of course you're not going to see how emotions and behaviors connect. And of course you're going to get defensive about it - that's your ego doing its job. Because what I said is a direct threat to your ego, and your posts are the activation of your ego's defense mechanisms.
Just because I know this, doesn't make me better than you or anyone else. Just because I know this, doesn't mean I have real, true, full control over my behavior. But at least I can understand my behavior, and understand the choices I make. And with this knowledge, I'm able to at least delve into some level of introspect. In fact, it has changed my behavior - because I was able to confront my own beliefs of my past and challenge them, I no longer hold those views/perspectives. And when I am reactionary to a response, I can step back and try to trace the source of it. Actually become aware of it.
A weak ego does everything it can to protect itself. It's overly defensive. Its overly reactionary. It doesn't allow for introspect when challenged. Instead, it projects anger or irritation to override any introspection. A strong ego is the complete opposite. It isn't afraid of introspection and self-reflection. It's isn't afraid of being challenged.
You can take this for what it's worth to you. Dismiss it, continue in ignorance, and let your ego shield you from whatever truths are out there. Or actively, and honestly, explore what I've said. But I doubt you will. I find it rare that people have the courage for real, honest, true introspection - to challenge their very core. It's easier to live in your own world.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/16/2016, 01:05 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/16/2016, 01:05 PM
In many cases fear breeds hatred, sure, but you'll never convince me that it's true 100% of the time. Case in point: I hate the taste of cooked carrots, but are you seriously going to argue that I'm afraid of carrots?
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. :lol:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/16/2016, 01:54 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/16/2016, 01:54 PM
Bonknuts, I'm just going to let you believe what you want to believe. There is obviously no way to convince you otherwise. I hate fighting on the internet. Doesn't mean I'm afraid to fight, or afraid of the opponent... I just don't like wasting my time doing it, and no one was ever convinced by snarky, condescending remarks, such as telling people that they live "in continued ignorance" "in their own world". We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. I may respect you as a programmer, but I think you may be out of your league here.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/18/2016, 06:39 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/18/2016, 06:39 AM
Quote from: Nulltard on 11/15/2016, 10:26 PMStill on my dick ayyyy Nully? We broke up over two years ago. It's over, time to move on. We had some good times together but like everything else, all things must pass.Quote from: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 07:59 PMInitially I sided with Rover on the grounds of EvilEvo. But after reading this, I realized that I am scared of him for what he represents... That facet of humanity... The fact that such creatures roam the earth and may well out-procreate the rest of us.Quote from: The Old Rover on 11/15/2016, 07:34 PMJust because you don't realize it, doesn't mean it isn't there. It's not just a psychology model, it's a philosophical model as well.Quote from: TurboXray on 11/15/2016, 06:18 PMAll hate comes from fear.Nonsense. There are plenty of things I hate which I don't fear.
Everything has a root; fear is the root of all negative emotions, feelings, beliefs, and responses - etc. I'm not saying the connection from the root to the response is sensical, it could be nonsensical, but your "ego" made that connection from some external stimuli at some point in your life; that's the role of the ego. And that external stimuli created the basis for the rationalization justifying the response. Your ego protects you from this; there's a wall that keeps you from peeking under the hood. It's so you don't to think about it, question it, which takes brain processor power to try and reconcile things - which sometimes aren't even reconcilable (although that tends to manifest itself in odd behaviors; projection being one of them). That's not only too slow, but it can result in odd patterns of behavior (non predictable results). Instead, your ego provides an instantaneous response in order for you deal with stimuli in a real-time situation. A lot of our assessment and behavior is modeled this way - quick access, quick response. This is like psychology 101.
I defy anyone to not shudder at the thought of a planet full of Evos.
*shudder*
Evo Cho Trumpniki
*more shudderering*
#presidentelecttrump
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/18/2016, 09:29 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/18/2016, 09:29 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 11/16/2016, 01:54 PMI may respect you as a programmer, but I think you may be out of your league here.Yeah, but my programming skills or whatever, has nothing to do with anything else. If I'm good at one thing, it doesn't necessarily or automatically make me good anything else. I.e. You don't need to placate my ego - haha. This is just bullshit stuffs. In other words, I understand - don't worry about offending me. I might argue whatever point here, but I don't take any of this personal. Just simply debating or whatever.
Well, this might sound pretty arrogant (haha), but if that's true then psychology is out its league. By that I mean, I'm not a pysch major, or expert by any means, but I've taken my share of related classes. And this is what I learned.
But what I've learned, and the observation of people's behavior - pretty much correlates and agrees with one another. But I never stated that hatred is always the direct correlation of the fear (as in Necro's carrots example). Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure in the wall of text I posted, that I tried to show that such correlation is rarely apparent or direct. That's why people don't see or associate it. But none the less it exists. And we're talking about layers here, and indirection. The only statement that I made that there was a clear and direct correlation of hatred and fear, was misogyny - which I'm not the only one with that belief. Maybe I should have hedged the statement with "the majority of"?
I think maybe you guys have a stricter interpretation of fear. Fear doesn't always mean life threatening or physical harm, or something so extreme. It has a much broader range than that.
And yes, NecroPhile - I could give an example of how your hatred of carrots is rooted in fear. Though, I pretty sure at this point you guys are about done with this - lol. Hey, maybe I'm wrong. But it's what I've been taught (in class, in college, by professors in the field). I dunno. But it works for me.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/18/2016, 10:22 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/18/2016, 10:22 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/18/2016, 09:29 PMThe only statement that I made that there was a clear and direct correlation of hatred and fear, was misogyny - which I'm not the only one with that belief. Maybe I should have hedged the statement with "the majority of"?This is the only reason I commented though... there is a distinct difference between an expression of fear and an expression of hatred in regards to this particular term. Basically what you did was make the two terms interchangeable, which isn't correct. If this hatred is rooted in fear, we don't just say it's fear and then call it a day. We call it what it is... hatred. To call it fear is to nullify the term "hatred". I'm a real stickler for proper definitions, especially when the word in question has been used as a weapon and/or watered down to the point of losing its meaning. This word in particular is a go-to phrase for SJWs... which is ironic as fuck because they are some of the most rabid misogynists I've ever seen... by their own definition, that is... and that's to say nothing of their utter contempt for anyone with XY chromosomes. Their unabashed misandry goes completely unchecked and unquestioned by the general population and I think that that's wrong as fuck. It's this very thing that played a part in this year's voting outcome. People are sick and tired of being hatefully labeled simply for belonging to an immutable demographic. Instead of learning from it, however, they have decided to double-down on their attacks, and it will cost them in 2020 too if they don't smarten up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 11/18/2016, 11:37 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 11/18/2016, 11:37 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 11/18/2016, 10:22 PMThen actually I don't think we're really in much of a disagreement I guess.. not really. I mean, yeah - I made a generalization for the correlation between fear and hatred for misogyny - disregarding the differences between them as insignificant, but somehow this thing took a weird turn. I was focusing on importance of the root cause of behavior, and you guys are talking about how the definition only relates to the immediate expression. I'm seeing the two things holistically; you guys are saying keep them separate so the meaning is more specific/focused.Quote from: TurboXray on 11/18/2016, 09:29 PMThe only statement that I made that there was a clear and direct correlation of hatred and fear, was misogyny - which I'm not the only one with that belief. Maybe I should have hedged the statement with "the majority of"?This is the only reason I commented though... there is a distinct difference between an expression of fear and an expression of hatred in regards to this particular term. Basically what you did was make the two terms interchangeable, which isn't correct. If this hatred is rooted in fear, we don't just say it's fear and then call it a day. We call it what it is... hatred. To call it fear is to nullify the term "hatred". I'm a real stickler for proper definitions, especially when the word in question has been used as a weapon and/or watered down to the point of losing its meaning. This word in particular is a go-to phrase for SJWs... which is ironic as fuck because they are some of the most rabid misogynists I've ever seen... by their own definition, that is... and that's to say nothing of their utter contempt for anyone with XY chromosomes. Their unabashed misandry goes completely unchecked and unquestioned by the general population and I think that that's wrong as fuck. It's this very thing that played a part in this year's voting outcome. People are sick and tired of being hatefully labeled simply for belonging to an immutable demographic. Instead of learning from it, however, they have decided to double-down on their attacks, and it will cost them in 2020 too if they don't smarten up.
Let's bring this back to programming: I wanted to the term to be the root node in the tree, and you guys wants the term to remain a leaf node. :D
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 11/19/2016, 03:42 AM
Post by: esteban on 11/19/2016, 03:42 AM
ASIDE: True to his word, Trump is nominating the Créme de la Retrograde. I had hoped he was going to surround himself with "moderates" (relatively speaking, since all of American politics is skewed to the right) who have experience brokering quasi-humane policies. Ha! I am a fool. The Cro-Mags are having a reunion. We aren't invited to the party. But we will be cleaning up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: sirhcman on 11/20/2016, 09:26 AM
Post by: sirhcman on 11/20/2016, 09:26 AM
Nulltard if you spent as much time on DoxPhile as you do in this thread then DoxPhile would be great again! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 11/20/2016, 02:37 PM
Post by: OldRover on 11/20/2016, 02:37 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 11/18/2016, 11:37 PMLet's bring this back to programming: I wanted to the term to be the root node in the tree, and you guys wants the term to remain a leaf node. :DThe leaf now becomes irrelevant. You would now have to adjust the meaning of both misandry and misanthropy. Misogyny, misandry, and misanthropy are all the same base concept, just applied to different demographics. To change the core concept of one is to change the core concept of all three. Keep in mind that there are people who deny the existence of misandry altogether, and then those who embrace it as "empowerment" and are proud of their hatred. Changing the core concept now means that these people are proud of their fear rather than proud of their hatred... as an additional effect, it is no longer a term that can be ignored, as the media has no problem whatsoever reminding us all of how evil males are and how they should be feared at all times, even though such fear is completely irrational and there is no actual reason for it... but hey, don't let facts and logic get in the way of a good fear campaign to control the plebs...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/21/2016, 07:15 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/21/2016, 07:15 PM
Quote from: guest on 11/20/2016, 09:26 AMNulltard if you spent as much time on DoxPhile as you do in this thread then DoxPhile would be great again! :mrgreen:Even Nulltard won't go on his own site any more. Its a perfect representation of his life and how it's playing out, a virtual grave yard where thoughts and dreams go to die. Nulltard, you could always hit the fast forward button on this life thing, it's not gona get any better for you. Maybe live stream it on your site for a few clicks.
#MAGA
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/21/2016, 07:39 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 11/21/2016, 07:39 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 11/21/2016, 07:15 PMDamn That's pretty harsh.Quote from: guest on 11/20/2016, 09:26 AMNulltard if you spent as much time on DoxPhile as you do in this thread then DoxPhile would be great again! :mrgreen:Even Nulltard won't go on his own site any more. Its a perfect representation of his life and how it's playing out, a virtual grave yard where thoughts and dreams go to die. Nullify, you could always hit the fast forward button on this life thing, it's not gona get any better for you. Maybe live stream it on your site for a few clicks.
#MAGA
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/21/2016, 10:22 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 11/21/2016, 10:22 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 11/21/2016, 07:39 PMPoor evo...I had you once, I'll have you again. The bed is so cold without you.
No. I will not make out with you.
If you're going to try going "out of your league", at least try bringing something to the table.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 12/08/2016, 02:54 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 12/08/2016, 02:54 PM
I see Trump is draining the swamp nicely...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 12/08/2016, 03:10 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 12/08/2016, 03:10 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 12/08/2016, 02:54 PMI see Trump is draining the swamp nicely...It seems his "pump" is set to "backwash"...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/08/2016, 04:25 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/08/2016, 04:25 PM
I'm not the biggest Saturday Night Live fan, but I thought it was funny when they mocked him by saying he'd made 2 campaign promises (build the wall and drain the swamp) but that was too hard so he decided to just put them together and build the swamp instead.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: crazydean on 12/08/2016, 08:35 PM
Post by: crazydean on 12/08/2016, 08:35 PM
Mattie will be Secretary of Defense. A lot of Marines are happy about that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 12/11/2016, 11:12 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 12/11/2016, 11:12 AM
Now Exxon Mobile CEO for Sec of State?
I am truly curious what those of you who die hard supported Trump think about all of this? You all were so vocal and boastful when Trump won, but now you've all gone silent. Is this what you wanted?
We've been experiencing increasing inequality since the 70s and the top 1% already gets 80% of all new wealth generated in this country. Now we're stacking the executive branch with all 1%ers expecting that they will somehow help the middle class? Trickle down economics has not worked for the majority of people. Reagan may have been your savior, but his ideas have done naught but hurt regular working people.
I'll say it again, if you Republicans can prove me wrong and pull this off, do it. I truly feel like we are in for more hard times though. Wont matter though, they'll just blame Obama for it.
I am truly curious what those of you who die hard supported Trump think about all of this? You all were so vocal and boastful when Trump won, but now you've all gone silent. Is this what you wanted?
We've been experiencing increasing inequality since the 70s and the top 1% already gets 80% of all new wealth generated in this country. Now we're stacking the executive branch with all 1%ers expecting that they will somehow help the middle class? Trickle down economics has not worked for the majority of people. Reagan may have been your savior, but his ideas have done naught but hurt regular working people.
I'll say it again, if you Republicans can prove me wrong and pull this off, do it. I truly feel like we are in for more hard times though. Wont matter though, they'll just blame Obama for it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 12/11/2016, 12:10 PM
Post by: esteban on 12/11/2016, 12:10 PM
Beemer: Exactly. The silence is poignant. All of Trump's crucial team, not just for Secretary of State, but literally every position, is being filled with retrograde candidates.
I find it hilarious that nobody here (since many of us follow technology and the policies surrounding it), has said a single thing about the future of one thing we all care deeply about: the interwebz, privacy, etc. etc.
I thought policies surrounding technology was one area where many folks, from different political parties, could actually agree on things. Oh well... :(
Trump's choices make one thing clear: all of America's resources (including government employees and military) will be whored out for the benefit of private corporate interests. In the past politicians would try to spin things....Trump isn't even attempting to put a spin on things = he is happy to do what all politicians do, embrace the status quo for the benefit of the most privileged and powerful.
It would be hilarious if real people weren't going to be decimated by his policies.
I find it hilarious that nobody here (since many of us follow technology and the policies surrounding it), has said a single thing about the future of one thing we all care deeply about: the interwebz, privacy, etc. etc.
I thought policies surrounding technology was one area where many folks, from different political parties, could actually agree on things. Oh well... :(
Trump's choices make one thing clear: all of America's resources (including government employees and military) will be whored out for the benefit of private corporate interests. In the past politicians would try to spin things....Trump isn't even attempting to put a spin on things = he is happy to do what all politicians do, embrace the status quo for the benefit of the most privileged and powerful.
It would be hilarious if real people weren't going to be decimated by his policies.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 12/11/2016, 12:18 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 12/11/2016, 12:18 PM
I think this thread is quiet for two reasons. 1. The election is over. 2. He hasn't officially taken office yet.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 12/11/2016, 02:03 PM
Post by: esteban on 12/11/2016, 02:03 PM
Quote from: guest on 12/11/2016, 12:18 PMI think this thread is quiet for two reasons. 1. The election is over. 2. He hasn't officially taken office yet.The battle to steer policy in a more humane direction has been ongoing, comrade. Obama had retrograde policies, too...just as Bush before him...the battle to minimize the damage from Trump is just another chapter (or two) in an epic drama. Or tragedy, as it were.
No break, respite or holiday for the beleaguered masses.
It's a war of attrition... and it's exhausting.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/11/2016, 02:36 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/11/2016, 02:36 PM
Also consider all these generals taking up various positions:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-unusual-is-trumps-cabinet-of-generals/
And Trump promising to release military gear to the police:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-expect-trump-lift-limits-surplus-military-gear-44122365
War is coming.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-unusual-is-trumps-cabinet-of-generals/
And Trump promising to release military gear to the police:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-expect-trump-lift-limits-surplus-military-gear-44122365
War is coming.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 12/11/2016, 06:53 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 12/11/2016, 06:53 PM
The first article you linked says that Trump's administration is pretty normal (in terms of # of generals).
The second article says that we're going back to the policies that were in effect prior to 2015. In other words, back to the policy that was in effect for 6 years out of Obama's term.
Neither of those is cause for alarm. Gun sales have actually gone down after the election.
The second article says that we're going back to the policies that were in effect prior to 2015. In other words, back to the policy that was in effect for 6 years out of Obama's term.
Neither of those is cause for alarm. Gun sales have actually gone down after the election.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/11/2016, 09:33 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/11/2016, 09:33 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 12/11/2016, 11:12 AMNow Exxon Mobile CEO for Sec of State?More info on his donors here:
I am truly curious what those of you who die hard supported Trump think about all of this? You all were so vocal and boastful when Trump won, but now you've all gone silent. Is this what you wanted?
We've been experiencing increasing inequality since the 70s and the top 1% already gets 80% of all new wealth generated in this country. Now we're stacking the executive branch with all 1%ers expecting that they will somehow help the middle class? Trickle down economics has not worked for the majority of people. Reagan may have been your savior, but his ideas have done naught but hurt regular working people.
I'll say it again, if you Republicans can prove me wrong and pull this off, do it. I truly feel like we are in for more hard times though. Wont matter though, they'll just blame Obama for it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/09/the-six-donors-trump-appointed-to-his-administration-gave-almost-12-million-with-their-families-to-his-campaign-and-the-party/?utm_term=.2179987971cc
Emerald, militarizing the police is never a good idea. Do they really need fucking anti aircraft guns and tanks to keep the peace?
This might be old but it brings up a good point.
http://youtu.be/KUdHIatS36A
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 12/11/2016, 10:31 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 12/11/2016, 10:31 PM
Whether or not the police need military equipment is a different sentiment from "war is coming". If you just think it's bad policy, then whatever, that's fine. But if you're genuinely freaking about impending domestic warfare in our streets, then I think you're creating stress for yourself.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/12/2016, 09:52 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/12/2016, 09:52 AM
After railing about how the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were complete disasters and how he knows more than any of the generals in charge, I think it's hilarious that he picked Mattis for Secretary of Defense.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 01/03/2017, 09:05 PM
Post by: Otaking on 01/03/2017, 09:05 PM
Just reading that Ford has said it will cancel a $1.6bn plant it planned to build in Mexico and instead extend operations at its factory in Michigan, they said partly as a "vote of confidence" in Donald Trump's policies.
First signs that looks like possibly Trump could deliver on his promise to turn round the US economy.
First signs that looks like possibly Trump could deliver on his promise to turn round the US economy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/04/2017, 10:15 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/04/2017, 10:15 AM
Quote from: Otaking on 01/03/2017, 09:05 PMJust reading that Ford has said it will cancel a $1.6bn plant it planned to build in Mexico and instead extend operations at its factory in Michigan, they said partly as a "vote of confidence" in Donald Trump's policies.It has nothing to do with Trump; the new plant's construction was halted half a year before the election. Them saying it's because of Trump is just ego stroking.
First signs that looks like possibly Trump could deliver on his promise to turn round the US economy.
The next Focus will still be built in Mexico. Since sales of small cars like the Focus (and sedans in general) are on the decline, it made more sense for them to enlarge an existing Mexican plant instead of building a whole new one.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 01/08/2017, 08:30 PM
Post by: Otaking on 01/08/2017, 08:30 PM
Just reading this Twitter exchange that happened between Trump and Schwarzenegger.
http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817348644647108609
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817350726800306177
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/817386048401469440
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/817386215921958912
Arnie is a true legend and Trump a true bellend (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bellend).
http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817348644647108609
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817350726800306177
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/817386048401469440
https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/817386215921958912
Arnie is a true legend and Trump a true bellend (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bellend).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/09/2017, 02:35 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/09/2017, 02:35 PM
Anyone remember when he said he could act as presidential as anyone other than Abraham Lincoln?
We're waiting, asshole.
We're waiting, asshole.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/09/2017, 02:58 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/09/2017, 02:58 PM
What? You don't think presidents should rush to Twitter to address every slight (or perceived slight) like a thin-skinned little pussy boy?
Psh...Come on Necro! That's how real men show strength these days!
USA! USA! USA!
Psh...Come on Necro! That's how real men show strength these days!
USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/11/2017, 06:49 AM
Post by: esteban on 01/11/2017, 06:49 AM
Quote from: Otaking on 01/08/2017, 08:30 PMArnie is a true legend and Trump a true bellend (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bellend).Yeah, he's a putz, at best.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 01/11/2017, 06:46 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 01/11/2017, 06:46 PM
4chan power trolls claim responsibility for some golden shower hoax that made it all the way to our CIA... Gonna be an interesting 4 years...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 01/11/2017, 11:51 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 01/11/2017, 11:51 PM
The whole thing is a hoax/fake news - it's libelous, desperate character assassination... Parts of it can already be proven false.
The overall [fake] dirt report is still being credited to the agent you mention that was allegedly hired by anti-Trumpers and then democrats, but the golden shower story/scene is what 4chan says came from them originally, from what I understood.
Anyway, what you posted (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach&attach=13588&image) at a basic level looks like something from a tabloid writer, it's ridiculous... Trump went to great lengths to learn what bed the Obamas slept on at some hotel, and hired hookers to "defile" it with "perverted" acts ?? WHAT ?!?!
Already, the lie in the dossier that Trump's attorney Michael Cohen traveled to Prague as a liaison to the Russians was disproven by him, tweeting out a passport photo to prove he's never been there... Your passport has to get stamped at the airport when you travel and records of his flight would've been available to further back this up, so yeah, its credibility is falling apart and it's disturbing how this passed the smell test by our CIA...
Also, this thing was done since November apparently and attempts were made to shop it around back then, but most news press hacks didn't bite delicious as it was to slime Trump with... Says something right there, but leave it to Buzzfeed and CNN, etc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/business/buzzfeed-donald-trump-russia.html?_r=0
This guy said it best: "An anonymous person, claiming to be an ex�-British intel agent & working as a Dem oppo researcher, said anonymous people told him things," wrote Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who was instrumental in publishing Edward Snowden's leaks about government surveillance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4109402/Trump-denies-fake-news-smear-Kremlin-blackmail-saying-NO-DEAL-NO-LOANS-NO-Moscow-calls-dirty-dossier-report-Democrat-conspiracy-theory.html
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/
http://nypost.com/2017/01/10/buzzfeeds-trump-report-takes-fake-news-to-a-new-level/
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article125910774.html
"A Russian venture capitalist and tech expert whose name and company are mentioned in the now-notorious document alleging connections between the Donald Trump campaign and Russian hackers says no intelligence officers have ever contacted him about the accusations, which he says are false."
The overall [fake] dirt report is still being credited to the agent you mention that was allegedly hired by anti-Trumpers and then democrats, but the golden shower story/scene is what 4chan says came from them originally, from what I understood.
Anyway, what you posted (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach&attach=13588&image) at a basic level looks like something from a tabloid writer, it's ridiculous... Trump went to great lengths to learn what bed the Obamas slept on at some hotel, and hired hookers to "defile" it with "perverted" acts ?? WHAT ?!?!
Already, the lie in the dossier that Trump's attorney Michael Cohen traveled to Prague as a liaison to the Russians was disproven by him, tweeting out a passport photo to prove he's never been there... Your passport has to get stamped at the airport when you travel and records of his flight would've been available to further back this up, so yeah, its credibility is falling apart and it's disturbing how this passed the smell test by our CIA...
Also, this thing was done since November apparently and attempts were made to shop it around back then, but most news press hacks didn't bite delicious as it was to slime Trump with... Says something right there, but leave it to Buzzfeed and CNN, etc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/business/buzzfeed-donald-trump-russia.html?_r=0
This guy said it best: "An anonymous person, claiming to be an ex�-British intel agent & working as a Dem oppo researcher, said anonymous people told him things," wrote Glenn Greenwald, the journalist who was instrumental in publishing Edward Snowden's leaks about government surveillance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4109402/Trump-denies-fake-news-smear-Kremlin-blackmail-saying-NO-DEAL-NO-LOANS-NO-Moscow-calls-dirty-dossier-report-Democrat-conspiracy-theory.html
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/
http://nypost.com/2017/01/10/buzzfeeds-trump-report-takes-fake-news-to-a-new-level/
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article125910774.html
"A Russian venture capitalist and tech expert whose name and company are mentioned in the now-notorious document alleging connections between the Donald Trump campaign and Russian hackers says no intelligence officers have ever contacted him about the accusations, which he says are false."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/12/2017, 12:04 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/12/2017, 12:04 AM
All I will say is you conservatives better not fuck this up. This is your chance. You've got all the power. Prove to me that you guys aren't full of shit.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/12/2017, 12:32 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/12/2017, 12:32 AM
Quote from: NightWolve on 01/11/2017, 06:46 PM4chan power trolls claim responsibility for some golden shower hoax that made it all the way to our CIA... Gonna be an interesting 4 years...If it was true, that would be the most bad assed thing I have ever heard a politician do. Seriously bad ass.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-10/4chan-claims-have-fabricated-anti-trump-report-hoax
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 01/12/2017, 07:57 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 01/12/2017, 07:57 AM
I would estimate that 50% of wealthy men who go away on business, especially internationally, get a whore or rub and tug or something of the sort. Is this a good thing? Probably not, but is it a terrible thing? Meh.
Just like the Clinton BJ stuff, I really don't care. If the allegations are true, I'd be happy if Trump just admitted it and we move on. If not true, then let's move on.
Tax plans, not golden showers, are the type of thing I care about when looking at the success of my president.
Just like the Clinton BJ stuff, I really don't care. If the allegations are true, I'd be happy if Trump just admitted it and we move on. If not true, then let's move on.
Tax plans, not golden showers, are the type of thing I care about when looking at the success of my president.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/12/2017, 09:03 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/12/2017, 09:03 AM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 01/12/2017, 07:57 AMI would estimate that 50% of wealthy men who go away on business, especially internationally, get a whore or rub and tug or something of the sort. Is this a good thing? Probably not, but is it a terrible thing? Meh.Amen. Well said.
Just like the Clinton BJ stuff, I really don't care. If the allegations are true, I'd be happy if Trump just admitted it and we move on. If not true, then let's move on.
Tax plans, not golden showers, are the type of thing I care about when looking at the success of my president.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 01/12/2017, 04:13 PM
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 01/12/2017, 04:13 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/12/2017, 12:04 AMAll I will say is you conservatives better not fuck this up. This is your chance. You've got all the power. Prove to me that you guys aren't full of shit.My feelings exactly. I would much rather be wrong and say "Wow, you were right! Way to go!" than be right and watch our idiotic country implode.
Also, I have to pee now.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/12/2017, 09:15 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/12/2017, 09:15 PM
7 more days
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 01/13/2017, 12:29 PM
Post by: geise on 01/13/2017, 12:29 PM
Heaven help us.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:55 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:55 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/12/2017, 12:04 AMAll I will say is you conservatives better not fuck this up. This is your chance. You've got all the power. Prove to me that you guys aren't full of shit.That's the wrong attitude, we don't have to prove shit to you. There is this arrogance afloat like liberals are in charge still and need to approve everything or its not valid. Hollywood has been hammering this idea recently with video after video bitching to the middle/working class how their ideology is correct and everyone else is racist.
That's over.
What you are going to see is a wrecking ball with zero fucks given no matter how much you complain, finger point, name call; doesn't matter. The Right has the House, the Senate, the White House, and soon the Supreme Court. After RBG croaks it'll swing hard right, enjoy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:58 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:58 AM
Quote from: Nulltard on 01/12/2017, 06:21 AMWe can agree to disagree. :) Fucker is already in office so it's all farting in the wind at this point. Let's just sit back and watch the world burn.This guy gets it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/16/2017, 12:26 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/16/2017, 12:26 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:55 AMThat's the wrong attitude, we don't have to prove shit to you. There is this arrogance afloat like liberals are in charge still and need to approve everything or its not valid. Hollywood has been hammering this idea recently with video after video bitching to the middle/working class how their ideology is correct and everyone else is racist.There was no arrogance, name calling, whining, etc. in BMW's post. The only jackass here is you.
That's over.
What you are going to see is a wrecking ball with zero fucks given no matter how much you complain, finger point, name call; doesn't matter. The Right has the House, the Senate, the White House, and soon the Supreme Court. After RBG croaks it'll swing hard right, enjoy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 12:36 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 12:36 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/16/2017, 12:26 PMSee that's name calling. And Blue BMW's post implies that conservatives are full of shit, which shows that he thinks (as do the majority of liberals) that they have a moral superiority on political ideology. You hear it every day on the news and social media. This is no secret, publicly show support for any conservative ideology and the SJW's will come after you and even threaten your life or try to get you fired. Hollywood would black list anyone except the largest of stars as they still like money/ame more than political ideology.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:55 AMThat's the wrong attitude, we don't have to prove shit to you. There is this arrogance afloat like liberals are in charge still and need to approve everything or its not valid. Hollywood has been hammering this idea recently with video after video bitching to the middle/working class how their ideology is correct and everyone else is racist.There was no arrogance, name calling, whining, etc. in BMW's post. The only jackass here is you.
That's over.
What you are going to see is a wrecking ball with zero fucks given no matter how much you complain, finger point, name call; doesn't matter. The Right has the House, the Senate, the White House, and soon the Supreme Court. After RBG croaks it'll swing hard right, enjoy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/16/2017, 01:02 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/16/2017, 01:02 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 12:36 PMSee that's name calling.And 100% accurate. You are an utter fool, a troll, and an asshole.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 12:36 PMAnd Blue BMW's post implies that conservatives are full of shit, which shows that he thinks (as do the majority of liberals) that they have a moral superiority on political ideology. You hear it every day on the news and social media. This is no secret, publicly show support for any conservative ideology and the SJW's will come after you and even threaten your life or try to get you fired. Hollywood would black list anyone except the largest of stars as they still like money/ame more than political ideology.Full of shit means that you're deceitful or not-credible. It has nothing to do with moral superiority. Learn English.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 01:06 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 01:06 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/16/2017, 01:02 PMSuch anger, too bad it's meaningless coming from you. I've seen you argue with a wall for being the wrong color. You are even arguing with your definition of full of shit. It's embarrassing really. It must be exhausting being you.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 12:36 PMSee that's name calling.And 100% accurate. You are an utter fool, a troll, and an asshole.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 12:36 PMAnd Blue BMW's post implies that conservatives are full of shit, which shows that he thinks (as do the majority of liberals) that they have a moral superiority on political ideology. You hear it every day on the news and social media. This is no secret, publicly show support for any conservative ideology and the SJW's will come after you and even threaten your life or try to get you fired. Hollywood would black list anyone except the largest of stars as they still like money/ame more than political ideology.Full of shit means that you're deceitful or not-credible. It has nothing to do with moral superiority. Learn English.
4-Days
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/16/2017, 02:42 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/16/2017, 02:42 PM
So many bullet points checked off! Hollywood! Liberal media! Social justice warriors!
Do you have an original thought, or do you just like parroting bullshit?
Do you have an original thought, or do you just like parroting bullshit?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 02:51 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 02:51 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/16/2017, 02:42 PMSo many bullet points checked off! Hollywood! Liberal media! Social justice warriors!Hey buddy it's out there. Every day you hear the left and the right battle and it's been a constant smear campaign to delegitimize the Presidency of Donald J. Trump. The ultimate hypocrisy is the left bashing him for not accepting the election results but now even our current president and the entire left is bitching beyond belief.
Do you have an original thought, or do you just like parroting bullshit?
Hollywood? Easy, have you seen the videos and speeches?
Liberal Media? I agree that the term "Liberal Media" is redundant but it's also fact.
SJW's? have you heard of the internet? Twitter? Facebook? You can't expect me to hold you hand through all of this.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/16/2017, 02:59 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/16/2017, 02:59 PM
No, I don't. However, it'd be cool if more people on either side of an issue realized that not everyone falls into those tidy little labels. And I know that this is an Internet forum, but spewing cliched bullshit around only makes you sound like an asshole.
Who're you gonna convince with that attitude? What purpose does it serve? I know we live in an era where the leader of the free world blasts out childish insults and tantrums via social media, but it'd be great if we didn't have to follow his example.
Who're you gonna convince with that attitude? What purpose does it serve? I know we live in an era where the leader of the free world blasts out childish insults and tantrums via social media, but it'd be great if we didn't have to follow his example.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/16/2017, 03:11 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/16/2017, 03:11 PM
Speaking of hypocrisy, I find it hilarious that Trump is throwing a tantrum over Lewis questioning the legitimacy of Trump's presidency.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/16/2017, 03:43 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/16/2017, 03:43 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/16/2017, 03:11 PMSpeaking of hypocrisy, I find it hilarious that Trump is throwing a tantrum over Lewis questioning the legitimacy of Trump's presidency.One word: Birther
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 01/16/2017, 05:14 PM
Post by: OldRover on 01/16/2017, 05:14 PM
There is an old saying in war... "never underestimate your opponent". I don't think I've ever seen a clearer example of what happens when you do. No one on the Left took Trump seriously (hell, I didn't even take him seriously), and now they're paying the price for that arrogance. Questioning the legitimacy of Trump's presidency is pretty lame, and there's a reason that the recount suddenly vanished from the media (you know, that thing they did because they questioned the legitimacy)... oops, the Democrats were caught cheating... gotta sweep that shit under the rug faster than Trump can grab another pussy.
The Left lost hardcore and instead of reflecting on their mistakes, they just ramped up their arrogance and are doing everything in their power to avoid admitting their mistakes. The first rule of not repeating a mistake is to admit that you made it in the first place. But of course, in this age of entitled, petulant whiners, that's probably not gonna happen. The Democrats better have someone worthy in place for 2020 or Trump's gonna have an additional 4 years of his own brand of "leadership" and that's a rather terrifying thought to anyone with at least half a brain. If Clinton comes back in 2020 as the pick for the Democrats, I will have officially lost all hope for them.
The Left lost hardcore and instead of reflecting on their mistakes, they just ramped up their arrogance and are doing everything in their power to avoid admitting their mistakes. The first rule of not repeating a mistake is to admit that you made it in the first place. But of course, in this age of entitled, petulant whiners, that's probably not gonna happen. The Democrats better have someone worthy in place for 2020 or Trump's gonna have an additional 4 years of his own brand of "leadership" and that's a rather terrifying thought to anyone with at least half a brain. If Clinton comes back in 2020 as the pick for the Democrats, I will have officially lost all hope for them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 06:11 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 06:11 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/16/2017, 02:59 PMNo, I don't. However, it'd be cool if more people on either side of an issue realized that not everyone falls into those tidy little labels. And I know that this is an Internet forum, but spewing cliched bullshit around only makes you sound like an asshole.Tidy labels? Please realize that the majority didn't vote so I am not referring to them. Cliche is because it is true. I could pile on massive amounts of evidence from colleges, the media, Hollywood, social media, Golden Globes Speech, The multitude of false hate crimes pushing a false narrative, J.J. Abrams losing his shit, but we both know it's out there so why bother.
Who're you gonna convince with that attitude? What purpose does it serve? I know we live in an era where the leader of the free world blasts out childish insults and tantrums via social media, but it'd be great if we didn't have to follow his example.
I don't need to convince anyone of anything, the convincing was done November 9th 2016. Trump had to win the Election, the Jill Stein Recount, and the Hollywood/Liberal coup to thwart Electoral College Voters which actually caused more Hillary Voters to defect that Trump Voters.
It's a giant, whiny, liberal shit show and I could not be happier.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/16/2017, 06:48 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/16/2017, 06:48 PM
There should be a new forum rule of no religious or political discourse. The shit is too divisive. This place is about gaming and having fun.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 07:39 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 07:39 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/16/2017, 06:48 PMThere should be a new forum rule of no religious or political discourse. The shit is too divisive. This place is about gaming and having fun.A obvious liberal.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/16/2017, 08:18 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/16/2017, 08:18 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 07:39 PMObviously not. You must not have read any of my previous posts.Quote from: guest on 01/16/2017, 06:48 PMThere should be a new forum rule of no religious or political discourse. The shit is too divisive. This place is about gaming and having fun.A obvious liberal.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 01/16/2017, 09:19 PM
Post by: OldRover on 01/16/2017, 09:19 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/16/2017, 08:41 PMSomeone should link prof prof's exposé.Eh... I'd use some caution in that one... not that I'm defending Evo in the slightest, but PP is well-known to get even basic details grossly wrong, let alone important ones. I think Trump is more trustworthy than PP, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 08:49 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 08:49 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/16/2017, 08:41 PMLol...Evo was a deplorable neo-pedonazi long before Trump "legitimized" it. Someone should link prof prof's exposé.It's our time to shine for sure. As a conservative I take offense to the Nazi thing, (pedo too but I know you are kidding as we used to date and you'd lovingly call me your Pedobear then bury your face in my chocolate starfish) antisemitism is very real and exists worldwide, Trump is one of the remaining few heads of state that's publicly and unapologetically. Both my grandfather's fought in WWII to rid the world of this nonsense and to see it creeping back unchecked is quite alarming.
In Evo's case, however, he embodies everything I despise. Almost as much as Trump.
I would pray that they both enjoy their fifteen minutes and that the world recovers quickly from it... But I'm a liberal atheist so instead I have already began mourning the loss of decades of progress and dreading the rise of the Evos.
As far as the liberal outrage I understand that the ones bitching are simply the loudest and not the majority. More than half of the country did not vote, so there simply isn't a majority anymore; another good reason for the Electoral College FYI. As George Carlin stated before, Garbage in, Garbage out. This is the best we have to offer in leadership.
Nothing wrong with being an atheist, freedom of expression is fine especially when it's religion or lack thereof. Are you rejecting the typical novel of Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, etc, and keeping the idea of a unknown creator or do you simply believe the universe is chaos and always has and always existed without any helping hand?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/17/2017, 09:38 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/17/2017, 09:38 AM
In other news...
http://digg.com/2017/trump-inauguration-scottish-tv-guide
lol
http://digg.com/2017/trump-inauguration-scottish-tv-guide
lol
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 09:41 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 09:41 AM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 01/17/2017, 09:38 AMIn other news...Funny is funny. That gave me the lol's
http://digg.com/2017/trump-inauguration-scottish-tv-guide
lol
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/17/2017, 02:45 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/17/2017, 02:45 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:55 AMSo I say again, conservatives better not fuck this up. You won, now put up or shut up. Conservatives say their way is best, I think they're full of shit. Their way is best if your rich, white and male. Here's your chance. The country is in a lot better shape starting out than what Bush left Obama so no excuses. We will watch and when poor white America figures out they've been scammed and sold out there will be change. It won't be pleasant.Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/12/2017, 12:04 AMAll I will say is you conservatives better not fuck this up. This is your chance. You've got all the power. Prove to me that you guys aren't full of shit.That's the wrong attitude, we don't have to prove shit to you. There is this arrogance afloat like liberals are in charge still and need to approve everything or its not valid. Hollywood has been hammering this idea recently with video after video bitching to the middle/working class how their ideology is correct and everyone else is racist.
That's over.
What you are going to see is a wrecking ball with zero fucks given no matter how much you complain, finger point, name call; doesn't matter. The Right has the House, the Senate, the White House, and soon the Supreme Court. After RBG croaks it'll swing hard right, enjoy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 01/17/2017, 03:45 PM
Post by: OldRover on 01/17/2017, 03:45 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 12:58 PMHe's already censoring global media. I know for fact that some domestic media markets have ordered their staff to refrain from expressing opinions on social media under threat of immediate termination.This is nothing new. Media blackouts have been a thing for decades. Why should it be any surprise to anyone that these assclowns are doing the exact same thing everyone else has been doing for years already?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 01/17/2017, 05:37 PM
Post by: Otaking on 01/17/2017, 05:37 PM
12 noon local time on January 20th this shit gets real.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:18 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:18 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/17/2017, 02:45 PMRich white male? Keep race baiting, keep feeding the liberal narrative to be obviously bit into. Conservatives are the best at reigning in government and you being an obvious far left ideological not understanding that it's not simply a MSNBC fairy tale you may take exception to the policies Donald Trump will enact. Last bit not least you aren't owed anything, you aren't in charge any more I don't understand why you keep insisting it has to pass your smell test.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/16/2017, 11:55 AMSo I say again, conservatives better not fuck this up. You won, now put up or shut up. Conservatives say their way is best, I think they're full of shit. Their way is best if your rich, white and male. Here's your chance. The country is in a lot better shape starting out than what Bush left Obama so no excuses. We will watch and when poor white America figures out they've been scammed and sold out there will be change. It won't be pleasant.Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/12/2017, 12:04 AMAll I will say is you conservatives better not fuck this up. This is your chance. You've got all the power. Prove to me that you guys aren't full of shit.That's the wrong attitude, we don't have to prove shit to you. There is this arrogance afloat like liberals are in charge still and need to approve everything or its not valid. Hollywood has been hammering this idea recently with video after video bitching to the middle/working class how their ideology is correct and everyone else is racist.
That's over.
What you are going to see is a wrecking ball with zero fucks given no matter how much you complain, finger point, name call; doesn't matter. The Right has the House, the Senate, the White House, and soon the Supreme Court. After RBG croaks it'll swing hard right, enjoy.
This wasn't an overnight success, this was many DEMS losing seats of power over the years. It's probably best you don't turn on the tv or read a news article for the next 8 years to keep your sanity because Donald Trump is an unapologetic wrecking ball.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:32 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:32 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 05:01 PMThe media has done nothing but hit pieces on Donald Trump the past couple of years. Now that he's won he simply doesn't respect the media as he shouldn't. He showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that the media was in the bag for Hillary Clinton and would not report on her crimes. All the media really is is a ad revenue collector so now that Trump can by pass the media and now the news is left at a disadvantage. I would imagine if someone posted a hit piece on Donald Trump that was unsubstantiated like Buzzfeed did and CNN linked too he would write off that media company as fraudulent and they would loose millions in revenue.Quote from: OldRover on 01/17/2017, 03:45 PMBecause... this hasn't happened in the USA during the career of my contact which dates back over 20 years? 1st amendment kind of protects an individual's right to voice opinion? I dunno. Those things I guess.Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 12:58 PMHe's already censoring global media. I know for fact that some domestic media markets have ordered their staff to refrain from expressing opinions on social media under threat of immediate termination.This is nothing new. Media blackouts have been a thing for decades. Why should it be any surprise to anyone that these assclowns are doing the exact same thing everyone else has been doing for years already?
It's always about money. There is no true news reporting left it's just a ton of OP-Ed pieces. Seth Meyers goes after Trump, Trever Noah goes after Trump, Colbert goes after Trump, Hollywood goes after Trump, the VIEW goes after Trump. It's so predictable and they haven't learned that a large portion of America doesn't follow their liberal ideology.
It's the same shit over and over again, people are tired of it and do not respect major news outlets any more.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 07:26 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 07:26 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 06:52 PMClassic rubber/glueI will admit the time to argue is over. If people are truly upset over Trump being president please vote him out in 4 years. Give the man a chance. If the economy does well you may have to deal with him for 8 years.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: CrackTiger on 01/17/2017, 07:39 PM
Post by: CrackTiger on 01/17/2017, 07:39 PM
Why is EvilEvoIX even a member here, other than to seek out flame wars and show off "hauls"?
Facebook is a better venue and it's not cluttered with all of the "PC Engine" talk everyone else wastes time on.
Facebook is a better venue and it's not cluttered with all of the "PC Engine" talk everyone else wastes time on.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 07:56 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 07:56 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 07:39 PMWhy is EvilEvoIX even a member here, other than to seek out flame wars and show off "hauls"?Don't forget the "Wraffles".
Facebook is a better venue and it's not cluttered with all of the "PC Engine" talk everyone else wastes time on.
Also might I point out the title of this thread. "Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days". You expect no flames let alone blame me if there are?
End of days? How dare I have a differing opinion right?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/17/2017, 08:03 PM
Post by: esteban on 01/17/2017, 08:03 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 07:39 PMWhy is EvilEvoIX even a member here, other than to seek out flame wars and show off "hauls"?I have wondered the same thing... I think he finds peace and solace here.
Facebook is a better venue and it's not cluttered with all of the "PC Engine" talk everyone else wastes time on.
And, I have actually gone out of my way not to argue with him.
IN DEFENSE OF EvilEvolX: Well, there's not much to say. BUT... He has taken photos of some stores he has visited on his travels.... that is kinda fun.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 01/17/2017, 09:01 PM
Post by: jtucci31 on 01/17/2017, 09:01 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 07:56 PMNo we have forgotten, don't worry :)Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 07:39 PMWhy is EvilEvoIX even a member here, other than to seek out flame wars and show off "hauls"?Don't forget the "Wraffles".
Facebook is a better venue and it's not cluttered with all of the "PC Engine" talk everyone else wastes time on.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: HailingTheThings on 01/18/2017, 12:49 AM
Post by: HailingTheThings on 01/18/2017, 12:49 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/17/2017, 07:39 PMWhy is EvilEvoIX even a member here, other than to seek out flame wars and show off "hauls"?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/18/2017, 09:49 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/18/2017, 09:49 AM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:18 PMConservatives are the best at reigning in government...Reagan and GW Bush increased annual spending more than any other recent president, but don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:32 PMThe media has done nothing but hit pieces on Donald Trump the past couple of years. Now that he's won he simply doesn't respect the media as he shouldn't. He showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that the media was in the bag for Hillary Clinton and would not report on her crimes.You have to be willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid to believe this. The articles written about email servers, deleted emails, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, etc. numbered in the thousands.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:18 PMI would imagine if someone posted a hit piece on Donald Trump that was unsubstantiated like Buzzfeed did and CNN linked too...Buzzfeed certainly did fuck up, no question there. The problem is that CNN did nothing wrong. They didn't post the list or any specifics of what it contained, nor did they link to it on Buzzfeed; what they did was report on the lists existence, where it came from, and that Obama, Trump, senior legislators, etc. were briefed on it. That's called news reporting.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/17/2017, 06:18 PMThere is no true news reporting left it's just a ton of OP-Ed pieces. Seth Meyers goes after Trump, Trever Noah goes after Trump, Colbert goes after Trump, Hollywood goes after Trump, the VIEW goes after Trump.You know that none of those are news reporters, right?
Quote from: CrackTiger on 01/17/2017, 07:39 PMWhy is EvilEvoIX even a member here, other than to seek out flame wars and show off "hauls"?Excellent question. He's clearly a troll, concocting lies and changing his story to fit whatever retarded yarn he's attempting to spin.
Unfortunately, there's no rules against being a worthless blight on the forum.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AM
Can't stay away can you? You just have to go down that rabbit hole time and time again?
Quote from: NecroPhileReagan and GW Bush increased annual spending more than any other recent president, but don't let facts get in the way of your bullshit.Obama spent more than all other President Combined. 10 Trillion when he took office, 20 Trillion on his way out. K thanks for playing.
Quote from: NecroPhileYou have to be willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid to believe this. The articles written about email servers, deleted emails, Benghazi, the Clinton Foundation, etc. numbered in the thousands.The media has done nothing but round the clock hit pieces on Donald Trump since he announced his candidacy. They hid, rarely reported, or simply did not report on Hillary Clinton's crimes and ignorance. CNN worked with Hillary Clinton to rig a debate against Bernie Sanders. This is not a partisan debate; these are all facts and a big reason why Trump will be in office.
Quote from: NecroPhileBuzzfeed certainly did fuck up, no question there. The problem is that CNN did nothing wrong. They didn't post the list or any specifics of what it contained, nor did they link to it on Buzzfeed; what they did was report on the lists existence, where it came from, and that Obama, Trump, senior legislators, etc. were briefed on it. That's called news reporting.Once again you are apologizing and deferring the facts that CNN had this on their website, I saw it, millions saw it, they posted a link, they reported on it. They DID NOT go into as many details as Buzzfeed but gave it legs for sure. As I've already pointed out CNN is a far left media outlet and you keep forgetting how much they helped Clinton.
Quote from: NecroPhileYou know that none of those are news reporters, right?You know what, I have to agree with you here however many Liberals/Millennials get their news from these sources. Hollywood has a huge influence on Liberal Politics as well. Having Leonardo DiCaprio speak directly with the President over climate change and the constant scolding and downspeak from the Left and Hollywood on almost all forms of media drives an agenda. It's that same agenda flipping their shit because they thought that they had the game won and in the bag so they faked their humility and humbleness knowing that they had the Presidency. When they lost you saw how hypocritical and violent they have gotten. Fake hate crime reporting, threats of violence. It's so delicious to see how exposed they've become in their bullshit.
Quote from: NecroPhileExcellent question. He's clearly a troll, concocting lies and changing his story to fit whatever retarded yarn he's attempting to spin.Yup, different opinions and political ideology make me a troll. A simple search on you shows the constant hard on you've had for me and literally chasing me between threads. It's always you starting something with me, why is that?
Unfortunately, there's no rules against being a worthless blight on the forum.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/18/2017, 04:19 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/18/2017, 04:19 PM
Is it really possible to produce a "hit piece" on Trump? I mean, can't you just transcribe anything he says or does and achieve the same goal?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/18/2017, 06:03 PM
Post by: esteban on 01/18/2017, 06:03 PM
I have a fun, enlightening article (or two) to read.
Thes best part, for me, is that it is from a comrade in Russia.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
https://medium.com/@alexey__kovalev/message-to-american-media-from-russia-6e2e76eeae77#.bmcnngknm
Thes best part, for me, is that it is from a comrade in Russia.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
https://medium.com/@alexey__kovalev/message-to-american-media-from-russia-6e2e76eeae77#.bmcnngknm
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/18/2017, 06:07 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/18/2017, 06:07 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AMCan't stay away can you? You just have to go down that rabbit hole time and time again?You keep posting ignorance and lies, and I'll keep correcting you. Cry all you want, little man, but you can't stop me.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AMObama spent more than all other President Combined. 10 Trillion when he took office, 20 Trillion on his way out. K thanks for playing.Don't dodge the facts and try to change your argument. He doubled the deficit, yes, but that's not nearly the same as spending more than every other president combined. Not even close. The combined budgets for 2009-2016 are $28.6t, and the combined budgets for 1995-2008 are $28.9t; add in all spending prior to '95 and you'd be waaaaaaay over what Obama spent.
Thanks for demonstrating your lack of intelligence once again.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AMThe media has done nothing but round the clock hit pieces on Donald Trump since he announced his candidacy.Just because it's negative doesn't mean it's a hit piece.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AMThey hid, rarely reported, or simply did not report on Hillary Clinton's crimes and ignorance.You've solved the mystery: you're incredibly stupid.
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AMYup, different opinions and political ideology make me a troll.I've already explained why you're a troll, and you ignoring what I said and instead making up your own bullshit proves my point. Thanks!
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/18/2017, 11:05 AMA simple search on you shows the constant hard on you've had for me and literally chasing me between threads. It's always you starting something with me, why is that?Again, I can't help it that you continually post such ignorant and factually incorrect garbage. If you want to see less responses from me, stop being a retard.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/18/2017, 07:13 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/18/2017, 07:13 PM
I laughed. Out loud.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 01/18/2017, 08:02 PM
Post by: Gredler on 01/18/2017, 08:02 PM
Quote from: esteban on 01/18/2017, 06:03 PMI have a fun, enlightening article (or two) to read.
Thes best part, for me, is that it is from a comrade in Russia.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
https://medium.com/@alexey__kovalev/message-to-american-media-from-russia-6e2e76eeae77#.bmcnngknm (https://medium.com/@alexey__kovalev/message-to-american-media-from-russia-6e2e76eeae77#.bmcnngknm)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/18/2017, 09:36 PM
Post by: esteban on 01/18/2017, 09:36 PM
Quote from: Gredler on 01/18/2017, 08:02 PMYes.Quote from: esteban on 01/18/2017, 06:03 PMI have a fun, enlightening article (or two) to read.
Thes best part, for me, is that it is from a comrade in Russia.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.
https://medium.com/@alexey__kovalev/message-to-american-media-from-russia-6e2e76eeae77#.bmcnngknm (https://medium.com/@alexey__kovalev/message-to-american-media-from-russia-6e2e76eeae77#.bmcnngknm)Is that the sameWould'a been cooler if it were Alexey Kovalev from the Red Army, the hockey player.?
Yes.
And yes.
The only thing he regrets is not being a member of the Russian Ballet.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 01/19/2017, 01:45 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 01/19/2017, 01:45 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/18/2017, 09:49 AMBuzzfeed certainly did fuck up, no question there. The problem is that CNN did nothing wrong. They didn't post the list or any specifics of what it contained, nor did they link to it on Buzzfeed; what they did was report on the lists existence, where it came from, and that Obama, Trump, senior legislators, etc. were briefed on it. That's called news reporting.According to other news outlets that posted stories after the whole thing exploded, the dossier was an example of disinformation that Trump's briefers wanted to have on hand so that they could show Trump the difference between good intel and nonsense.
In their original article, CNN presented the dossier -- without going into specifics -- as a collection of sufficiently credible intel that was presented to several important people. Their choice of words gave the absurd dossier an air of legitimacy, especially since CNN had spent the previous week defending the intel community.
If the dossier truly was used as an example of disinformation, then CNN screwed up big time by completely misrepresenting its purpose. Either way, CNN had the dossier, parts of which were verifiably untrue and parts of which were clear nonsense to people who aren't so anti-Trump that they'll believe anything. They reported it as sufficiently credible without confirming the credibility. CNN earned the egg on their face.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 06:24 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 06:24 AM
Quote from: NecroPhileYou keep posting ignorance and lies, and I'll keep correcting you. Cry all you want, little man, but you can't stop me.That's your biased opinion and you have no facts to back up anything. Just arrogance, bias, piss, and vinegar. Feelings aren't facts sweetheart but that massive hardon for me certainly is.
Quote from: NecroPhileDon't dodge the facts and try to change your argument. He doubled the deficit, yes, but that's not nearly the same as spending more than every other president combined. Not even close. The combined budgets for 2009-2016 are $28.6t, and the combined budgets for 1995-2008 are $28.9t; add in all spending prior to '95 and you'd be waaaaaaay over what Obama spent.10 trillion 2009 - 20 Trillion 2017. It's never been done before, not even close. Can't sweep that under the rug no matter how much you bitch. You need to understand that how much more money a government spends than it takes in on any given year is a deficit. He failed to balance the budget year after year and saddled future citizens with high national debt. It's an embarrassment of partisan biased spin on your part which shows how delusional you truly are.
Thanks for demonstrating your lack of intelligence once again.
"He doubled the deficit yes". Your words, 10 trillion to 20 trillion [/argument]
Quote from: NecroPhileJust because it's negative doesn't mean it's a hit piece.Fair enough but the bias and negativity was deafening and a huge reason why Trump won.
Quote from: NecroPhileYou've solved the mystery: you're incredibly stupid.I find that when you are confronted with overwhelming evidence you resort to name calling. Again, feelings aren't facts. You are cracking.
Quote from: NecroPhileI've already explained why you're a troll, and you ignoring what I said and instead making up your own bullshit proves my point. Thanks!Pot meet kettle.
Quote from: NecroPhileAgain, I can't help it that you continually post such ignorant and factually incorrect garbage. If you want to see less responses from me, stop being a retard.I don't think anyone can help you. You haven't posted a single fact and agreed with me on a 20 Trillion deficit yet then tried to reverse on a outstanding fact.
Hopeless
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 08:34 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 08:34 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 07:48 AMHopeless. Failing Obama inherited such a strong economy. Sad!This guy gets it!!! FWIW Trump is not the answer, at least not the magic bullet. He is simply a grenade thrown at the Whitehouse by the people who had elected him. That's all I wanted and it's exactly what I am getting.
I love this graphic from the ultra-liberal think tank, the Heritage Foundation.
(http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/infographics/2012/10/SR-fed-spending-numbers-2012-p4-chart-4_HIGHRES.jpg)
I love how Obama squandered the year 2000 budget surplus and by 2007 when he set the 2008 budget (before he took office) he had turned it into a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit. Thankfully he only had 8 years to fuck shit up. Now that Trump gets sworn in tomorrow, our PEOTUS has already whittled deficits down to $5-6 billion.
Logic! Reasoning!
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 09:17 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 09:17 AM
Time for something more intelligent and more entertaining than anything evo has ever posted:
(http://doxphile/random/evochoaniki_large.jpg)
(http://doxphile/random/evochoaniki_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 09:34 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 09:34 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 09:26 AMLol... I've had a request via PM to draw another one in which Evo and Trump are enjoying some watersports together.As long as I'm the Sloppy Party Bottom I see no issue.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 10:14 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 10:14 AM
Quote from: Nulltard on 01/19/2017, 09:26 AMLol... I've had a request via PM to draw another one in which Evo and Trump are enjoying some watersports together.That'd be a perfect fit. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/19/2017, 10:36 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/19/2017, 10:36 AM
It's funny how people blame Obama for the huge deficit starting in 2008 but fail to remember the reason for that deficit. The economy was in free fall when he took office. Tax revenues were down and stimulus was needed to prevent a total depression. Many credible economists have credited Obama with preventing a depression through strong action early in the recession. Failing to prevent a depression could have easily caused far greater deficits. Why won't anyone recognize what an awful mess Obama walked into when he took office? All things considered I think he did pretty damn well. Unemployment was over 10% when he started, now it's under 5%. The stock market has tripled since he took office so the wealthy are doing great.
I hope conservatives prove me wrong for our countries sake but I'm not optimistic in the least.
I hope conservatives prove me wrong for our countries sake but I'm not optimistic in the least.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 10:45 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 10:45 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/19/2017, 10:36 AMIt's funny how people blame Obama for the huge deficit starting in 2008 but fail to remember the reason for that deficit. The economy was in free fall when he took office. Tax revenues were down and stimulus was needed to prevent a total depression. Many credible economists have credited Obama with preventing a depression through strong action early in the recession. Failing to prevent a depression could have easily caused far greater deficits. Why won't anyone recognize what an awful mess Obama walked into when he took office? All things considered I think he did pretty damn well. Unemployment was over 10% when he started, now it's under 5%. The stock market has tripled since he took office so the wealthy are doing great.If he prevented a Depression he did it by record spending. Our debt is too much as I have posted earlier. That 5% unemployment number is bullshit. Once people have lost their unemployment benefits and stop collecting they are no longer counted as unemployed. The ACA forced a ton of private businesses to cut employee hours so they we no longer full time or simply let them go. Millions lost their insurance and benefits and lost their jobs or took jobs for FAR less money as they had no choice.
I hope conservatives prove me wrong for our countries sake but I'm not optimistic in the least.
This is easily provable as 94,000,000 are NOT in the work force. Our population is 320,000,000 so that works out to be 29%. Obviously there are old, retired, handicapped, whatever so cut that number in half to 14%, hell lower it to 10% again for incidentals; the 5% is bullshit.
The issue remains, completely non-partisan, that Government is not the solution to the problem, Government is the problem. They confiscate wealth and simply misappropriate and ask for more over and over again with Zero Repercussions. Now there is one, it's Trump. He is the punishment.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 11:09 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 11:09 AM
The Bureau of Labor Statistics provides both the widely reported unemployment rate and the "real" unemployment rate. They're fully explained for anyone not too lazy to look.
The 10% rate quoted by BMW was also the "fake" rate, so I don't know what point evo is trying to make. The fact remains that unemployment is way down, no matter if you're looking at the "real" or "fake" rates over Obama's presidency.
The 10% rate quoted by BMW was also the "fake" rate, so I don't know what point evo is trying to make. The fact remains that unemployment is way down, no matter if you're looking at the "real" or "fake" rates over Obama's presidency.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 11:36 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 11:36 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 11:09 AMThe Bureau of Labor Statistics provides both the widely reported unemployment rate and the "real" unemployment rate. They're fully explained for anyone not too lazy to look.False
The 10% rate quoted by BMW was also the "fake" rate, so I don't know what point evo is trying to make. The fact remains that unemployment is way down, no matter if you're looking at the "real" or "fake" rates over Obama's presidency.
Unemployment only counts people who are actively looking for jobs but don't have one.
The rate I showed is made up of 94Million people not in the Work Force. With a population of 320 Million a simple math problem shows that 29% of our country is not employed. Obviously not all of them are unemployed meaning retired, SSI recipients, Welfare, and so on. It's still WAY WAY above 5% especially when counting Welfare. 5% is not defendable and you not understanding this either proves your complete idiocy (which I don't believe is true) or a reluctance to cave in to the facts simply because they came from me and ruins your partisan ideology.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/19/2017, 12:33 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/19/2017, 12:33 PM
All you need to know about the unemployment debate is here:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000
and here:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
From this information, you will be able to determine that President Obama has been successful putting people back to work...
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Employment-population ratio December 2016 = 59.7%
Change = -1.3
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Unemployment Rate December 2016 = 4.7%
Change = 2.6
Previous government:
Employment-population ratio December 2000 = 64.4%
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Change = -3.4
Unemployment Rate December 2000 = 3.9%
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Change = -3.4
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000
and here:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
From this information, you will be able to determine that President Obama has been successful putting people back to work...
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Employment-population ratio December 2016 = 59.7%
Change = -1.3
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Unemployment Rate December 2016 = 4.7%
Change = 2.6
Previous government:
Employment-population ratio December 2000 = 64.4%
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Change = -3.4
Unemployment Rate December 2000 = 3.9%
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Change = -3.4
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 12:52 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 12:52 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 01/19/2017, 01:45 AMFixed [emoji4]Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/18/2017, 09:49 AMBuzzfeed certainly did fuck up, no question there. The problem is that CNN did nothing wrong. They didn't post the list or any specifics of what it contained, nor did they link to it on Buzzfeed; what they did was report on the lists existence, where it came from, and that Obama, Trump, senior legislators, etc. were briefed on it. That's called news reporting.According to other news outlets that posted stories after the whole thing exploded, the dossier was an example of disinformation that Trump's briefers wanted to have on hand so that they could show Trump the difference between good intel and nonsense.
In their original article, Fake News presented the dossier -- without going into specifics -- as a collection of sufficiently credible intel that was presented to several important people. Their choice of words gave the absurd dossier an air of legitimacy, especially since. Fake News had spent the previous week defending the intel community.
If the dossier truly was used as an example of disinformation, then Fake News screwed up big time by completely misrepresenting its purpose. Either way,Fake News had the dossier, parts of which were verifiably untrue and parts of which were clear nonsense to people who aren't so anti-Trump that they'll believe anything. They reported it as sufficiently credible without confirming the credibility. Fake News earned the egg on their face.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 01:02 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 01:02 PM
Quote from: Lost Monkey on 01/19/2017, 12:33 PMAll you need to know about the unemployment debate is here:Does this take into account government jobs or actual private sector growth?
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000
and here:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
From this information, you will be able to determine that President Obama has been successful putting people back to work...
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Employment-population ratio December 2016 = 59.7%
Change = -1.3
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Unemployment Rate December 2016 = 4.7%
Change = 2.6
Previous government:
Employment-population ratio December 2000 = 64.4%
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Change = -3.4
Unemployment Rate December 2000 = 3.9%
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Change = -3.4
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/19/2017, 01:34 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/19/2017, 01:34 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 01:02 PMRed herring.. It is the exact same data from 2 periods - the reporting criteria for both periods is identical, meaning your question has no relevance...Quote from: Lost Monkey on 01/19/2017, 12:33 PMAll you need to know about the unemployment debate is here:Does this take into account government jobs or actual private sector growth?
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000
and here:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
From this information, you will be able to determine that President Obama has been successful putting people back to work...
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Employment-population ratio December 2016 = 59.7%
Change = -1.3
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Unemployment Rate December 2016 = 4.7%
Change = 2.6
Previous government:
Employment-population ratio December 2000 = 64.4%
Employment-population ratio December 2008 = 61%
Change = -3.4
Unemployment Rate December 2000 = 3.9%
Unemployment Rate December 2008 = 7.3%
Change = -3.4
Your argument has been that the current unemployment rate doesn't account for people who have stopped looking, this number does. The employment- population ratio is the percentage of people employed in a given population range, the BLS is using anyone age 16 or greater...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 02:10 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2017, 02:10 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/19/2017, 11:36 AMFalseThe BLS provides more than one unemployment rate. There's six of them; the most often quoted number (U-3) is currently 4.7%, while the rate that includes everyone unemployed, working part time because they can't get full time, in school because they couldn't get a job, etc. (U-6) is 9.2%.
Unemployment only counts people who are actively looking for jobs but don't have one.
The rate I showed is made up of 94Million people not in the Work Force. With a population of 320 Million a simple math problem shows that 29% of our country is not employed. Obviously not all of them are unemployed meaning retired, SSI recipients, Welfare, and so on. It's still WAY WAY above 5% especially when counting Welfare. 5% is not defendable and you not understanding this either proves your complete idiocy (which I don't believe is true) or a reluctance to cave in to the facts simply because they came from me and ruins your partisan ideology.
Early in Obama's presidency, the 'real' unemployment rate (U-6) was 17.5%. So like I already said, it doesn't matter if you follow BMW's numbers (generalized U-3) or the 'real' unemployment numbers (U-6); either way, the unemployment rate is very much improved. Only an idiot would try to argue otherwise.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 02:53 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 02:53 PM
OoooOOOOooh! I see this has turned into an Econ 101 class! Grab your pipes and smoking jackets, fellas. Armed with Google and a head full of piss, we've got an armchair economist!
The bar is simple, and it's based on a philosophy that I believe was popularized by the Republican Jesus, Ronnie Reagan: are we better off than we were 8 years ago? Forget your, "But the debt!" and "Trillion dollars!" and "My skewed chart - which is obviously better than your skewed chart - says this" arguments. They're all bullshit.
Simply put: there is no question that the country is in far better shape than it was eight years ago. Fuck your deficit, fuck your debt. Somebody had to pay to get things out of the toilet. The country was in the god damned tank in 2008 and it's not now. Case fucking closed.
Get back to the topic at hand and stop pretending you know shit about the economy.
Trump is a fucking jerkoff. Discuss.
The bar is simple, and it's based on a philosophy that I believe was popularized by the Republican Jesus, Ronnie Reagan: are we better off than we were 8 years ago? Forget your, "But the debt!" and "Trillion dollars!" and "My skewed chart - which is obviously better than your skewed chart - says this" arguments. They're all bullshit.
Simply put: there is no question that the country is in far better shape than it was eight years ago. Fuck your deficit, fuck your debt. Somebody had to pay to get things out of the toilet. The country was in the god damned tank in 2008 and it's not now. Case fucking closed.
Get back to the topic at hand and stop pretending you know shit about the economy.
Trump is a fucking jerkoff. Discuss.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 03:11 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 03:11 PM
ROAR!
I just hate it when the waters get muddied by this horseshit. The answer is simple and indisputable: the country is in a better place when it was 8 years ago. To argue against that is to expose yourself as a fool.
I just hate it when the waters get muddied by this horseshit. The answer is simple and indisputable: the country is in a better place when it was 8 years ago. To argue against that is to expose yourself as a fool.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 06:05 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 06:05 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 03:11 PMROAR!Not really. That all depends on whose shoes you are standing in. Very subjective based on your socioeconomic position.
I just hate it when the waters get muddied by this horseshit. The answer is simple and indisputable: the country is in a better place when it was 8 years ago. To argue against that is to expose yourself as a fool.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 01/19/2017, 06:36 PM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 01/19/2017, 06:36 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 01/19/2017, 09:26 AMLol... I've had a request via PM to draw another one in which Evo and Trump are enjoying some watersports together.Do it null, come on you can't just say that and walk away, please
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:01 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:01 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 06:05 PMYeah, and there are some people who made out great from the 2008 economic crisis, too.Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 03:11 PMROAR!Not really. That all depends on whose shoes you are standing in. Very subjective based on your socioeconomic position.
I just hate it when the waters get muddied by this horseshit. The answer is simple and indisputable: the country is in a better place when it was 8 years ago. To argue against that is to expose yourself as a fool.
That argument is bullshit. As a whole, our country is in much better condition now than it was eight years ago.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:05 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:05 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 07:01 PMThe sky is blue, and water is wet.Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 06:05 PMYeah, and there are some people who made out great from the 2008 economic crisis, too.Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 03:11 PMROAR!Not really. That all depends on whose shoes you are standing in. Very subjective based on your socioeconomic position.
I just hate it when the waters get muddied by this horseshit. The answer is simple and indisputable: the country is in a better place when it was 8 years ago. To argue against that is to expose yourself as a fool.
That argument is bullshit. As a whole, our country is in much better condition now than it was eight years ago.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:15 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:15 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 07:01 PMThis sentiment is so broadly accepted that the party claiming responsibility for this great state of America just sufferred devastating losses at every level of government.Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 06:05 PMYeah, and there are some people who made out great from the 2008 economic crisis, too.Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 03:11 PMROAR!Not really. That all depends on whose shoes you are standing in. Very subjective based on your socioeconomic position.
I just hate it when the waters get muddied by this horseshit. The answer is simple and indisputable: the country is in a better place when it was 8 years ago. To argue against that is to expose yourself as a fool.
That argument is bullshit. As a whole, our country is in much better condition now than it was eight years ago.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:34 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:34 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 07:15 PMThis sentiment is so broadly accepted that the party claiming responsibility for this great state of America just sufferred devastating losses at every level of government.WTF is your point? That because Dems lost we're worse off than we were 8 years ago, despite the facts? Spin it however you want, man, but it's reality
Coincidentally, this just in. (http://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/510491692/the-america-donald-trump-is-inheriting-by-the-numbers)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:35 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:35 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 01/19/2017, 07:27 PMLol... If only popular vote counted. But this broad majority you speak of, it will be interesting to see how pleased they will be with the consequences of their sweeping victory.I don't recall everyone crying on tv/Twitter/YouTube/instagram, rioting in the street calling for violence, and acting like butthurt losers that Romney lost either. That was kinda evos point. Liberals are all about acceptance, inclusion, and understanding until they don't get their way, then it's race baiting, rioting, and violence.
And Jesus tits, I've never seen such jackasses. When Obama won I didn't see anyone running around calling all of the Romney fans whiny stupid loserfags. I think that is what I hate most about this all... The country is officially fucked and assholes are being dicks about this "victory".
And even with the popular vote you still have half of those who voted dont share the rosey picture that America is doing awesome now.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:41 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:41 PM
Yep. All liberals. Just like all conservatives are hillbilly racist cousin-fuckers, right?
Nobody said we're doing awesome. Just better than eight years ago.
Nobody said we're doing awesome. Just better than eight years ago.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:42 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:42 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 07:34 PMFrom NPR.... Might as well be written by the DNC.Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 07:15 PMThis sentiment is so broadly accepted that the party claiming responsibility for this great state of America just sufferred devastating losses at every level of government.WTF is your point? That because Dems lost we're worse off than we were 8 years ago, despite the facts?
Coincidentally, this just in. (http://www.npr.org/2017/01/19/510491692/the-america-donald-trump-is-inheriting-by-the-numbers)
You said are we better off, and my point is that it's very subjective based on your personal experience and circumstance, and a lot of the nation doesn't share that rosey view. So.... Your policies and ideology were rejected at all levels across the nation.
Pop vote only means shit in the presidential election. Lefties lost at all levels.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:52 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 07:52 PM
Quote from: Psycho Punch on 01/19/2017, 06:36 PMI would really like to see this too. It would be epic. [emoji1]Quote from: Nulltard on 01/19/2017, 09:26 AMLol... I've had a request via PM to draw another one in which Evo and Trump are enjoying some watersports together.Do it null, come on you can't just say that and walk away, please
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:57 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 07:57 PM
Predictable... If you'd bother to read the article. you'd see that it's not all good news.
And that some people aren't doing better is irrelevant. That will always be the case. Again: AS A WHOLE the country is better off than it was eight years ago. Why is that so difficult for you to admit? It's okay, buddy. I won't tell anyone. I'll even let you give all the credit to the Republican congress, if it makes you feel better.
And that some people aren't doing better is irrelevant. That will always be the case. Again: AS A WHOLE the country is better off than it was eight years ago. Why is that so difficult for you to admit? It's okay, buddy. I won't tell anyone. I'll even let you give all the credit to the Republican congress, if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 01/19/2017, 08:06 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 01/19/2017, 08:06 PM
Democrats = Better Politicians
Republicans = Better People
I say this as a Democrat.
Republicans = Better People
I say this as a Democrat.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 08:23 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2017, 08:23 PM
Democrats = Republicans. They both are people and they both have good and bad ideas.
I say this as an independent who hates lumping people into labels and categories.
I say this as an independent who hates lumping people into labels and categories.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 08:25 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 08:25 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/19/2017, 07:57 PMPredictable... If you'd bother to read the article. you'd see that it's not all good news.Maybe because I don't think it's better. Duh
And that some people aren't doing better is irrelevant. That will always be the case. Again: AS A WHOLE the country is better off than it was eight years ago. Why is that so difficult for you to admit? It's okay, buddy. I won't tell anyone. I'll even let you give all the credit to the Republican congress, if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 09:03 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/19/2017, 09:03 PM
Agreed shit has been topsy turvy for a few years. Now there's change, so all I ask is people give the man a chance.
If shit goes South , I'll be the first to call it out. I have no party affiliation or loyalties.
Now... Don't you have an art project to be working on? Given the subject matter, imagine the possibilities of water color [emoji74]
If shit goes South , I'll be the first to call it out. I have no party affiliation or loyalties.
Now... Don't you have an art project to be working on? Given the subject matter, imagine the possibilities of water color [emoji74]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/19/2017, 10:15 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/19/2017, 10:15 PM
I'm just pissed that my hobby is getting fucking expensive cause our dollar is turning into shit. Don't care for either Republicans or Democrats at the moment. Just waiting for China to dump its trillions of dollars in reserves.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 09:13 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 09:13 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 08:54 PMHook, Line, and Sinker, Ay Nulltard? Making MSNBC proud. Turn on the news at 12:00 EST it'll be a hoot.Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 07:35 PMYou don't recall "terrorist fist jab" incendiary type stuff on fox firing up their base by accusing Obama of being a Muslim terrorist, the birther crap, the fake Planned Parenthood videos, the militias, the abortion clinic shootings, the Gabby Gifford shooting, all of the calls to arms from all of Trump's cronies and even he himself calling on 2nd amendment people to take matters into their hands shortly after calling Obama the literal founder of isis? Not to mention the outbreak of hate crimes following the election. Oh, but those don't count because there was one or two faked stories by attention whores so they must all be fake.Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 07:27 PMLol... If only popular vote counted. But this broad majority you speak of, it will be interesting to see how pleased they will be with the consequences of their sweeping victory.I don't recall everyone crying on tv/Twitter/YouTube/instagram, rioting in the street calling for violence, and acting like butthurt losers that Romney lost either. That was kinda evos point. Liberals are all about acceptance, inclusion, and understanding until they don't get their way, then it's race baiting, rioting, and violence.
And Jesus tits, I've never seen such jackasses. When Obama won I didn't see anyone running around calling all of the Romney fans whiny stupid loserfags. I think that is what I hate most about this all... The country is officially fucked and assholes are being dicks about this "victory".
And even with the popular vote you still have half of those who voted dont share the rosey picture that America is doing awesome now.
Granted, more people participated in the peaceful protests and the "liberal media" latched on to and focused the few cases of violence, most of which were unrelated to the protests other than proximity.
I guarantee that there would be civil war or at least some truly fucked up shit going on right now if the election has been rigged as the Trump kept insisting.there would be blood on a grand scale, not people marching in the streets.
The main difference between reactions to Obama and Trump elections is that Obama was a black man calling for hope at the brink of ruin... Whereas Trump is an orange man calling to make America great again by breaking up Hispanic families with mass deportations (goddamn Mexican rapists took our jobs), instituting a Muslim registry tantamount to the beginnings of the Japanese internment, appointing a comical set of individuals to posts, threatening the 1st amendment by opening libel laws to journalism, and documented PROVEN Russian influence aiding him to the throne.... But none of it is true because he makes a formulaic tweet.
Liberal media. Sad!
It isn't a conspiracy if facts and reality back up the views of one side more than the other. It isn't arrogance to put stock in science and experts versus gut feeling.
But this experiment has been set in motion. Let's see how great things get for your everyman now that corporations don't need lobbyists because the ARE the government.
I haven't felt that the world has gone mad like this since the lead up to operation Shock and Awe. It was plain as day that it was all bullshit, but it went through anyway.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 09:14 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 09:14 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 07:35 PMFinally someone gets the point. Someone who hasn't freebased the Kool-Aid.Quote from: guest on 01/19/2017, 07:27 PMLol... If only popular vote counted. But this broad majority you speak of, it will be interesting to see how pleased they will be with the consequences of their sweeping victory.I don't recall everyone crying on tv/Twitter/YouTube/instagram, rioting in the street calling for violence, and acting like butthurt losers that Romney lost either. That was kinda evos point. Liberals are all about acceptance, inclusion, and understanding until they don't get their way, then it's race baiting, rioting, and violence.
And Jesus tits, I've never seen such jackasses. When Obama won I didn't see anyone running around calling all of the Romney fans whiny stupid loserfags. I think that is what I hate most about this all... The country is officially fucked and assholes are being dicks about this "victory".
And even with the popular vote you still have half of those who voted dont share the rosey picture that America is doing awesome now.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 09:23 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 09:23 AM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 01/19/2017, 10:15 PMI'm just pissed that my hobby is getting fucking expensive cause our dollar is turning into shit. Don't care for either Republicans or Democrats at the moment. Just waiting for China to dump its trillions of dollars in reserves.The US dollar has gone up as of late. If China dumped it's US Debt it would collapse the USD but it would also collapse their Debt as it would become worth way less than they paid for it and the US would get a bargain as they would pay the same debt back that's worth way less. Basically, according to Reuters...
"any weakening in the U.S. debt markets and the resulting global markets turmoil, including likely weakness in the dollar, would bounce back on China and could hurt its economy badly, especially as the United States is such a huge Chinese export market."
And....
"So, in all actuality, at least secretly, the US Treasury would like to see this happen, if only because it drives the value of their T-bills down, and their interest payments would be less in the long run. In the short run, there would be disruptions and probably a 1.5 to 2% drop in the US gross national product until the US worked its way out of it. But regardless of who holds those $1.1 to $1.3 Trillion dollars in US Treasuries once they get onto the open market, the reality is that unless the US government choose to, or is forced to, default on their interest payments when they become due, payments will be made; so, the lower the interest due on them, the less has to be paid out, leaving more in the operating budget for the US Congress through the House of Representatives to allocate. That really is the bottom line. The only ones who really would suffer and not like it very much are the rest of the holders of T-bills, whose effective value would decrease. "
Basically the saying is this.
"If you owe your bank $50,000, you have a problem. If you owe your bank $50,000,000, the bank has a problem"..
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: CrackTiger on 01/20/2017, 09:45 AM
Post by: CrackTiger on 01/20/2017, 09:45 AM
Is triple posting several screens worth of text ban worthy?
Either way, this thread should move to Fighting Street.
Either way, this thread should move to Fighting Street.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/20/2017, 09:49 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/20/2017, 09:49 AM
Zero_Gamer: a vote for Trump doesn't automatically mean the voter thinks the US is in worse shape than it was eight years ago. It was true for some, sure, but many voters just thought Trump would do even better, either as a whole or in specific areas of special interest to them.
Evo: less than a third of the ~$20t debt is owned by foreign entities; the rest is owned by US government entities and private US entities. Essentially, the US is both the borrower and the bank. Any serious devaluation of the debt (or default) would hurt the US way more than it would hurt China, Japan, etc.
Black Tiger: it should be ban worthy, but sadly there's few rules here and I wouldn't want to again get NW and Nulltard all worked up over me being a nazi mod. I will, however, move this dumpster fire to Fighting Street.
Evo: less than a third of the ~$20t debt is owned by foreign entities; the rest is owned by US government entities and private US entities. Essentially, the US is both the borrower and the bank. Any serious devaluation of the debt (or default) would hurt the US way more than it would hurt China, Japan, etc.
Black Tiger: it should be ban worthy, but sadly there's few rules here and I wouldn't want to again get NW and Nulltard all worked up over me being a nazi mod. I will, however, move this dumpster fire to Fighting Street.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 10:17 AM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 10:17 AM
This is refreshing. These two would never be given a voice on mainstream media. It goes against their narrative.
https://youtu.be/MlZqeXZyNl4
https://youtu.be/MlZqeXZyNl4
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 10:20 AM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 10:20 AM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 01/20/2017, 09:45 AMIs triple posting several screens worth of text ban worthy?I agree. This thread does belong in fighting street.
Either way, this thread should move to Fighting Street.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 12:27 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 12:27 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/20/2017, 09:49 AMZero_Gamer: a vote for Trump doesn't automatically mean the voter thinks the US is in worse shape than it was eight years ago. It was true for some, sure, but many voters just thought Trump would do even better, either as a whole or in specific areas of special interest to them.Good post!!! Do not forget we keep China's economy afloat by purchasing rubber dog shit by the billions. If we stopped buying or if China massively devalued their currency to keep their prices low enough to keep trading they would again collapse. Our economies are too intertwined and any attempt to separate the two would kill the parasite and the host as it were.
Evo: less than a third of the ~$20t debt is owned by foreign entities; the rest is owned by US government entities and private US entities. Essentially, the US is both the borrower and the bank. Any serious devaluation of the debt (or default) would hurt the US way more than it would hurt China, Japan, etc.
Black Tiger: it should be ban worthy, but sadly there's few rules here and I wouldn't want to again get NW and Nulltard all worked up over me being a nazi mod. I will, however, move this dumpster fire to Fighting Street.
I'll keep an eye on my Triple posting, thanks for the warning. FWIW I do not think of you as a Nazi, just misguided. We have a new President!!! New slate, no unity, lets all get involved.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/20/2017, 12:30 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/20/2017, 12:30 PM
You double and triple post often and this isn't the first time anyone's complained. You won't change.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 01/20/2017, 01:50 PM
Post by: Gredler on 01/20/2017, 01:50 PM
Thanks for moving this thread
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 02:20 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 02:20 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/20/2017, 12:30 PMYou double and triple post often and this isn't the first time anyone's complained. You won't change.No I will, it's a valid complaint. I will be more careful from now on.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/20/2017, 03:52 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/20/2017, 03:52 PM
An interesting article describing what Trump gets to start with.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2017/01/20/day-one-for-donald-trumps-economy-in-charts/?mod=e2fb
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2017/01/20/day-one-for-donald-trumps-economy-in-charts/?mod=e2fb
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 05:01 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 05:01 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/20/2017, 02:20 PMMake Posting Great Again!Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/20/2017, 12:30 PMYou double and triple post often and this isn't the first time anyone's complained. You won't change.No I will, it's a valid complaint. I will be more careful from now on.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 05:07 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 05:07 PM
Saw this on the interwebs, thought it was pretty funny. Its probably as legit as some of the shit in the DSM
Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder is a pattern of pathologically dissociative and psychotic behavior, first observed in the late hours of November 8th 2016, and increasing in severity with passing time. Sufferers of Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder often exhibit pronounced cognitive dissonance, sudden bouts of rage, uncontrollable crying, suicidal ideation, and extreme sadness.
Signs and Symptoms:
People with Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder are characterized by a persistent unwillingness to accept that Donald Trump is going to Make America Great Again. Individual sufferers often display signs of paranoia and delusion; in acute cases psychotic episodes have been observed. Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder is different from being upset about the results of the 2016 presidential election; People with TARD are unwilling or unable to accept reality, despite irrefutable evidence.
According to the DSM-V, individuals with TARD exhibit most or all of the following symptoms:
– Telling others they are moving to Canada
– Fixated on fantasies about the Electoral College
– Protesting an election no credible source contests the outcome of
– Exclamations that "Someone" should do "Something"
– Acute change in demeanor from pompous and arrogant to fearful and combative
– Claim that anyone who disagrees with them is some combination of Racist, Sexist, Bigoted, Homophobic, and actually some sort of Hitler persona
Causes and Mechanisms:
Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder was directly caused by the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States of America. For many, both in America and worldwide, this was a shocking and unexpected outcome; their preferred news sources having failed to inform them that the alternative candidate was a criminal parasite in such ill health she got chucked into the back of a van like a kidnap victim.
Research is ongoing, but TARD appears to correlate closely with the following environmental and behavioral factors:
– Membership in the Democratic party
– Identifying as a Feminist
– Currently enrolled in college, and/or – Possession of a Liberal Arts college degree
– Living in a densely populated metropolitan area
– Massive student debt
– Spotty or non-existent work history
– Hipsterism
Diagnosis:
Diagnosis of Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder is straightforward. Ask the patient if Donald Trump is going to be the Next President of the United States of America. Some patients will become agitated, and may attempt to deflect. It's critical you press them on the issue, even if they start babbling about 'muh triggers'. A sufferer of TARD will begin to ramble incoherently, often displaying three or more of the symptoms within a short period of time.
Treatment:
The only known effective treatment is exposure therapy. The patient must be repeatedly exposed to reality, and should wear a Make America Great Again hat as long as they are able to tolerate it. Each exposure should increase in length, after a week the patient should be encouraged to be seen in public wearing the MAGA hat. Coach the patient to refer to Donald Trump as President-Elect Trump.
Patients with TARD are very resistant to treatment, and dangerous in large groups. Any possibility of treatment requires that they be separated from their hive-mind support apparatus; they cannot begin the process of accepting reality in the presence of encouragement towards delusion and irrationality. Separation may require the assistance of law enforcement.
If you have a friend or loved one suffering from TARD, urge them to seek treatment. Together we can beat this scourge, and Make America Great Again!
Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder is a pattern of pathologically dissociative and psychotic behavior, first observed in the late hours of November 8th 2016, and increasing in severity with passing time. Sufferers of Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder often exhibit pronounced cognitive dissonance, sudden bouts of rage, uncontrollable crying, suicidal ideation, and extreme sadness.
Signs and Symptoms:
People with Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder are characterized by a persistent unwillingness to accept that Donald Trump is going to Make America Great Again. Individual sufferers often display signs of paranoia and delusion; in acute cases psychotic episodes have been observed. Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder is different from being upset about the results of the 2016 presidential election; People with TARD are unwilling or unable to accept reality, despite irrefutable evidence.
According to the DSM-V, individuals with TARD exhibit most or all of the following symptoms:
– Telling others they are moving to Canada
– Fixated on fantasies about the Electoral College
– Protesting an election no credible source contests the outcome of
– Exclamations that "Someone" should do "Something"
– Acute change in demeanor from pompous and arrogant to fearful and combative
– Claim that anyone who disagrees with them is some combination of Racist, Sexist, Bigoted, Homophobic, and actually some sort of Hitler persona
Causes and Mechanisms:
Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder was directly caused by the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States of America. For many, both in America and worldwide, this was a shocking and unexpected outcome; their preferred news sources having failed to inform them that the alternative candidate was a criminal parasite in such ill health she got chucked into the back of a van like a kidnap victim.
Research is ongoing, but TARD appears to correlate closely with the following environmental and behavioral factors:
– Membership in the Democratic party
– Identifying as a Feminist
– Currently enrolled in college, and/or – Possession of a Liberal Arts college degree
– Living in a densely populated metropolitan area
– Massive student debt
– Spotty or non-existent work history
– Hipsterism
Diagnosis:
Diagnosis of Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder is straightforward. Ask the patient if Donald Trump is going to be the Next President of the United States of America. Some patients will become agitated, and may attempt to deflect. It's critical you press them on the issue, even if they start babbling about 'muh triggers'. A sufferer of TARD will begin to ramble incoherently, often displaying three or more of the symptoms within a short period of time.
Treatment:
The only known effective treatment is exposure therapy. The patient must be repeatedly exposed to reality, and should wear a Make America Great Again hat as long as they are able to tolerate it. Each exposure should increase in length, after a week the patient should be encouraged to be seen in public wearing the MAGA hat. Coach the patient to refer to Donald Trump as President-Elect Trump.
Patients with TARD are very resistant to treatment, and dangerous in large groups. Any possibility of treatment requires that they be separated from their hive-mind support apparatus; they cannot begin the process of accepting reality in the presence of encouragement towards delusion and irrationality. Separation may require the assistance of law enforcement.
If you have a friend or loved one suffering from TARD, urge them to seek treatment. Together we can beat this scourge, and Make America Great Again!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/20/2017, 06:27 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/20/2017, 06:27 PM
Christ...have we sunk so low that we're passing along Facebook posts now?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 06:40 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/20/2017, 06:40 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/20/2017, 06:27 PMChrist...have we sunk so low that we're passing along Facebook posts now?Mine wasn't a Facebook post. I don't have a Facebook. I think all social media is bollocks.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 01/20/2017, 09:40 PM
Post by: OldRover on 01/20/2017, 09:40 PM
On the whole, I do think that we are, in more ways than not, in a better place today than we were when Obama first took office. That's not to say that everything is better... oh fuck no... there are plenty of areas which are worse today... but on the whole, we're a better country now, and Obama had a hand in that. Anyone who denies this is fucking retarded. I just hope that the things that have improved don't suddenly go to shit under Trump, and that the things that got worse are somehow able to get better... at least a little? Please? Because I'm sick of all the bullshit demographic division in this country, and that is one major thing that went horribly south on Obama's watch and would have continued a rapid downward spiral under Clinton. I highly doubt it will change under Trump, but hey... maybe it will, who knows? Doesn't look like it will though, but one can dream, right?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/20/2017, 10:29 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/20/2017, 10:29 PM
Thanks Trump!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/20/trumps-first-executive-action-cancel-obamas-mortgage-premium-cuts/96853446/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/20/trumps-first-executive-action-cancel-obamas-mortgage-premium-cuts/96853446/
Title: Re: XSEED Games: "We just elected NightWolve to office." NightWolve=Trump=Hitler
Post by: NightWolve on 01/21/2017, 12:51 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 01/21/2017, 12:51 AM
Today, the unhinged meltdown by the criminal X.X.XSEED Games (http://www.xseedgames.com) employee, Tom-chan "The XSEED Henchman" Lipschultz, is now complete! "President NightWolve" has officially been sworn in! Let's move forward in the business of making America great again! I am truly humbled, thank you and God bless! :P
Note: The following dishonest, libelous Facebook post (https://s5.postimg.cc/r33nitgfb/x_Xx_Seed_Tom_Lipschultz_Night_Wolve_Trump_Hitler_Libel.jpg) was never meant for your eyes... Tom-chan locked it for friends-only, and asked that nobody share it, but somebody betrayed him yet again by taking a screenshot and reporting it to me.
Link: x_Xx_Seed_Tom_Lipschultz_Night_Wolve_Trump_Hitler_Libel.jpg (https://s5.postimg.cc/r33nitgfb/x_Xx_Seed_Tom_Lipschultz_Night_Wolve_Trump_Hitler_Libel.jpg)
Quote: "As far as I'm concerned, we just elected NightWolve to office. And that prospect absolutely terrifies me..." - Tom "WyrdWad" Lipschultz @xXxXxSeed Games
Background: Upon Donald J. Trump's Nov. 8th election victory, in one of the most diabolical defamatory tactics I've seen, the criminal employee at xXxSeed Games -- who criminally cheated/exploited/abused 4 Ys fan translation projects (by fans FOR fans, NOT corporations!) to unfairly, unjustly hijack 24,891 pre-translated strings -- took to his Facebook account to equate me/NightWolve to Donald Trump, before then equating Trump to Adolf Hitler, the WWII genocidal dictator who went on a world conquest and extermination spree!!! How original, right ? Everybody I hate is Hitler! SHOCK!
However, in the spirit of unity, bipartisanship, coming together after a tough election battle, I decided to assure X.X.XSEED Games on Twitter (https://twitter.com/NightWolve75/status/822675597054853125) that I intend be a president for ALL Americans! ALL Americans, whether in red states OR blue states as there is ONLY the United States of America!!! :P
(https://s5.postimg.cc/hmduc6wkn/XXXSeed_Night_Wolve_Prez_For_All.png)
Rebuttal Forthcoming. I hate to spread his libel before defending myself, but I'll eventually address his lying and distortions when mood and time permit me. I have decided to conclude Tom-chan is just as much a sociopath as Jeffrey the Cocky Cock-Flasher is given the same delusional denials and pathological lying liar behavior that this manchild engages in.
Note: The following dishonest, libelous Facebook post (https://s5.postimg.cc/r33nitgfb/x_Xx_Seed_Tom_Lipschultz_Night_Wolve_Trump_Hitler_Libel.jpg) was never meant for your eyes... Tom-chan locked it for friends-only, and asked that nobody share it, but somebody betrayed him yet again by taking a screenshot and reporting it to me.
Link: x_Xx_Seed_Tom_Lipschultz_Night_Wolve_Trump_Hitler_Libel.jpg (https://s5.postimg.cc/r33nitgfb/x_Xx_Seed_Tom_Lipschultz_Night_Wolve_Trump_Hitler_Libel.jpg)
Quote: "As far as I'm concerned, we just elected NightWolve to office. And that prospect absolutely terrifies me..." - Tom "WyrdWad" Lipschultz @xXxXxSeed Games
Background: Upon Donald J. Trump's Nov. 8th election victory, in one of the most diabolical defamatory tactics I've seen, the criminal employee at xXxSeed Games -- who criminally cheated/exploited/abused 4 Ys fan translation projects (by fans FOR fans, NOT corporations!) to unfairly, unjustly hijack 24,891 pre-translated strings -- took to his Facebook account to equate me/NightWolve to Donald Trump, before then equating Trump to Adolf Hitler, the WWII genocidal dictator who went on a world conquest and extermination spree!!! How original, right ? Everybody I hate is Hitler! SHOCK!
However, in the spirit of unity, bipartisanship, coming together after a tough election battle, I decided to assure X.X.XSEED Games on Twitter (https://twitter.com/NightWolve75/status/822675597054853125) that I intend be a president for ALL Americans! ALL Americans, whether in red states OR blue states as there is ONLY the United States of America!!! :P
(https://s5.postimg.cc/hmduc6wkn/XXXSeed_Night_Wolve_Prez_For_All.png)
Rebuttal Forthcoming. I hate to spread his libel before defending myself, but I'll eventually address his lying and distortions when mood and time permit me. I have decided to conclude Tom-chan is just as much a sociopath as Jeffrey the Cocky Cock-Flasher is given the same delusional denials and pathological lying liar behavior that this manchild engages in.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/21/2017, 03:08 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/21/2017, 03:08 PM
My biggest problem with Trump's speech yesterday was that he's describing an America that sounds almost post-apocalyptic. American Carnage? Fucking seriously? He describes us as a third-world country who run around strangling squirrels for sustenance. And then, he promises to return us to some sort of imaginary past, where it was all high-paying wages and handjobs for everyone. It's such obvious bullshit and fear-mongering.
"I alone can solve it."
Okay, buddy. Here's your chance.
"I alone can solve it."
Okay, buddy. Here's your chance.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Bloufo on 01/21/2017, 03:25 PM
Post by: Bloufo on 01/21/2017, 03:25 PM
Yeah, listening to that speech you'd have thought the US is akin to a wasteland.
That reminds me, I never did finish that game. :P lol
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Tony_Hawk%27s_American_Wasteland_coverart.jpg)
That reminds me, I never did finish that game. :P lol
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Tony_Hawk%27s_American_Wasteland_coverart.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/21/2017, 03:48 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/21/2017, 03:48 PM
Parts of the US are a wasteland. Like all of the once great mill towns and manufacturing centers.
My hometown is a prime example. From the 40's through the 80's it was the land of milk and honey. Maybe handjobs, I'm not sure. I was too young to be privy to such benefits.
Now it's a sad shell of a place. Unemployment is through the roof, and the place is riddled with drugs.
The problem is that Trumps message wasn't targeted at your demographic, so you can't relate.
I'll be pretty pissed though if he doesnt deliver on the handjobs.
My hometown is a prime example. From the 40's through the 80's it was the land of milk and honey. Maybe handjobs, I'm not sure. I was too young to be privy to such benefits.
Now it's a sad shell of a place. Unemployment is through the roof, and the place is riddled with drugs.
The problem is that Trumps message wasn't targeted at your demographic, so you can't relate.
I'll be pretty pissed though if he doesnt deliver on the handjobs.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/23/2017, 01:02 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/23/2017, 01:02 PM
I enjoyed cry baby Trump disputing the inauguration attendance numbers. Photographic evidence, DC official's estimates, and MAT rider numbers all point to Obama having greater attendance both times, but who really gives a shit? Only a narcissistic cunt would make an issue of it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:19 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:19 PM
Just watched the Press Conference in it's entirety. Well over an hour and was quite informative. Pretty much addressed all the media's quibbles and gripes. They went after Trump's CIA meeting in particular saying that Trump loaded the meeting with Cheering Rubes. Media sure has a hard on for President Trump, I think all this negativity and constant attacks by the media may help him win again in 4 years.
The press secretary hit hard on the false report of Dr. Martin Luther King's bust being removed from the Oval Office. Pointed out the racial implications and the media was silent on that false report.
The press secretary hit hard on the false report of Dr. Martin Luther King's bust being removed from the Oval Office. Pointed out the racial implications and the media was silent on that false report.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TurboXray on 01/23/2017, 03:43 PM
Post by: TurboXray on 01/23/2017, 03:43 PM
Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:19 PMMedia sure has a hard on for President Trump, I think all this negativity and constant attacks by the media may help him win again in 4 years.If the opposition can keep their energy and angst level of their base to where it's at now, next election will be fierce. That is, if the dems can find a suitable candidate as powerful to the dem core as much as Trump was as an upstart to the status quo. But then again, I watched in disbelief as George Dubyah got re-elected. So nothing's a given, no matter how much of the out cry is a ringing indication at the moment.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:47 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:47 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/23/2017, 03:30 PMI never heard about the MLK bust thing. Sounds like fake news made up by fake news to give credence to fake fake news charges and create a smokescreen for the dismiss of actual news as fake news.I believe that Trump has received mostly negative press. He's under attack by most media outlets constantly and by main stream Infotainment as well. I will agree that Trump has the most time on medias albeit negative as the medias needs to create clicks to generate ad revenue, but to argue it's been positive would be disagreed with by all but the most bleeding hearts.
Seriously.
Your yourself imply that I only consume liberal news. How would I be oblivious to this?
Also... Lol at "media attacks"... If anything, they are guilty of handling him with kid gloves. Motherfucker deserves more negative press than he gets.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/23/2017, 03:54 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/23/2017, 03:54 PM
He's received mostly negative press because he's done very little positive. He's constantly attacking everyone else, so what do you expect? It's pretty much impossible to write an upbeat article when it's in response to Trump calling someone out as corrupt, lying, pathetic, etc.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:56 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:56 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 01/23/2017, 03:43 PMWell we've learned that the Hollywood/Celebrity effect has been diminished and in many cases toxic. California and NY are a given in terms of their ideology so those votes will probably diminish somewhat if Trump does what he said he will do and more than likely keep the rust belt states especially after ending TPP today and scheduling new trade agreements with multiple countries. Who can the left run? Someone really needs to emerge within the next couple of years but their bench is OLD, no more Clintons, no Biden, Corey Booker just proved he's bought and sold, Pelosi is hated and so on. It'll be hard to unseat this man and I almost think the Dems will run a "nobody" and wait till 8 years later where it'll probably swing left and we can start the whole cycle again. Trump is still extremely popular in the states that put him over on the EC and I bet he picks up Virginia & Nevada next time baring a catastrophe but as you stated, W had the worst thing ever happen since Pearl Harbor and he got re-elected.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:19 PMMedia sure has a hard on for President Trump, I think all this negativity and constant attacks by the media may help him win again in 4 years.If the opposition can keep their energy and angst level of their base to where it's at now, next election will be fierce. That is, if the dems can find a suitable candidate as powerful to the dem core as much as Trump was as an upstart to the status quo. But then again, I watched in disbelief as George Dubyah got re-elected. So nothing's a given, no matter how much of the out cry is a ringing indication at the moment.
My advice to President Trump haters is simply ignore him. The man feeds off of attention and can handle both positive and negative. Constant negative attention will simply mute these criticisms and the media could troll him by simply ignoring him and I bet he'll chase them for attention.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/23/2017, 04:08 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/23/2017, 04:08 PM
Don't forget this nugget: 'judge Trump by what's in his heart, not what comes out of his mouth'.
Seriously, how fucking stupid are these people? Your job is PR and that's the best you can come up with?!?
Seriously, how fucking stupid are these people? Your job is PR and that's the best you can come up with?!?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 04:23 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 04:23 PM
It's a new day in politics. Trump survived what amounts to Thermonuclear Bombs in terms of scandalous reporting and revelations. He simply pushed forward and dismissed the media and their constant attacks. Used to be if the Left accused someone (usually a Republican in or running for office) of being racist the candidate would over react in showing and stating that they are not racist and get mired in bowing and ass kissing. Trump simply dismisses this race baiting tactics and moves forward.
Recently President Trump was called out for using the Term "Illegal Alien" and should curb his language and use a much more politically correct term, President Trump Refused and took zero flak from anyone that mattered.
This tactic will open the door to more outspoken politicians and more than likely allow them to wade through the bullshit where they normally would be stuck. This is good because it forces Liberal Politicians to counter on policy vs race baiting and if they truly have a better platform the people will change their vote. Even Bill Maher said that the Dem's have lost their message and took too much for granted, President Trump has energized the politicians to fight more on policy and they better if they wish to stand a chance in 4 years.
Democrats are down to 192 members of Congress. Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy. This is no accident and didn't happen overnight. The country has been swinging right for some time and ultimately culminating in President Trump. It wasn't really reported on as being publicly conservative labeled you as a super racist and the Media has a FAR liberal slant so they don't report much on failure by the Democrats. What we have now is a silent majority emboldened to be more vocal and dismiss Democrats publicly. We are still swinging hard right it'll get much better (worse) before it slows and swings back. It'll have a lasting effect once Trump puts in 2-3 Supreme Court Justices.
Recently President Trump was called out for using the Term "Illegal Alien" and should curb his language and use a much more politically correct term, President Trump Refused and took zero flak from anyone that mattered.
This tactic will open the door to more outspoken politicians and more than likely allow them to wade through the bullshit where they normally would be stuck. This is good because it forces Liberal Politicians to counter on policy vs race baiting and if they truly have a better platform the people will change their vote. Even Bill Maher said that the Dem's have lost their message and took too much for granted, President Trump has energized the politicians to fight more on policy and they better if they wish to stand a chance in 4 years.
Democrats are down to 192 members of Congress. Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy. This is no accident and didn't happen overnight. The country has been swinging right for some time and ultimately culminating in President Trump. It wasn't really reported on as being publicly conservative labeled you as a super racist and the Media has a FAR liberal slant so they don't report much on failure by the Democrats. What we have now is a silent majority emboldened to be more vocal and dismiss Democrats publicly. We are still swinging hard right it'll get much better (worse) before it slows and swings back. It'll have a lasting effect once Trump puts in 2-3 Supreme Court Justices.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/23/2017, 04:42 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/23/2017, 04:42 PM
Quote from: TurboXray on 01/23/2017, 03:43 PMDems need to clean house at the DNC before next cycle. If they weren't completely in the bag for Hillary, we may have had President Sanders. Dems fucked themselves every possible way this cycle.Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 03:19 PMMedia sure has a hard on for President Trump, I think all this negativity and constant attacks by the media may help him win again in 4 years.If the opposition can keep their energy and angst level of their base to where it's at now, next election will be fierce. That is, if the dems can find a suitable candidate as powerful to the dem core as much as Trump was as an upstart to the status quo. But then again, I watched in disbelief as George Dubyah got re-elected. So nothing's a given, no matter how much of the out cry is a ringing indication at the moment.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/23/2017, 04:51 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/23/2017, 04:51 PM
Evo, I can't tell how much of your routine is real and how much of it is shtick.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 06:05 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 01/23/2017, 06:05 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/23/2017, 04:51 PMEvo, I can't tell how much of your routine is real and how much of it is shtick.Let me know what material you are having trouble with and I'd be more than happy to clarify.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/23/2017, 07:18 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/23/2017, 07:18 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 01/23/2017, 06:52 PMLol... The orange fucker did it. I called this one!Beats Hillary... She would've declared national change your catheter day.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/24/2017-01798/special-observances-national-day-of-patriotic-devotion-proc-9570
So much for 9/11, now 1/20 will be the national day of patriotic devotion!
I'm going to make another prediction: next, trump will replace the Lincoln statue with a sculpture reproduction of his Time "Man of the Year" cover.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/23/2017, 11:41 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/23/2017, 11:41 PM
Fuck Trump.
http://gizmodo.com/trump-appoints-anti-regulation-net-neutrality-foe-to-he-1791438195?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
And double fuck him.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/FHA-mortgage-executive-order-HUD/2017/01/20/id/769688/
http://gizmodo.com/trump-appoints-anti-regulation-net-neutrality-foe-to-he-1791438195?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
And double fuck him.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/FHA-mortgage-executive-order-HUD/2017/01/20/id/769688/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 01/24/2017, 02:16 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 01/24/2017, 02:16 AM
The anti-net neutrality appointment bothers me, but cancelling the FHA mortgage fee reduction before it takes effect seems smart. That's something you don't mess with unless you're sure it's a good idea, so leaving it status quo seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/24/2017, 09:18 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 01/24/2017, 09:18 AM
His other executive order freezing all federal hiring is straight up lazy. On the surface it sounds like it would save money, but the truth is it ends up costing more and creating a lot of trouble for federal agencies just trying to do their jobs.
I wonder how long I'll have my job since I work for a DOE laboratory in research that guys like Trump are too stupid to see the value in.
In case anyone wants some info. Its old, but its been a while since a president was stupid enough to try this crap.
http://gao.gov/products/FPCD-82-21
I wonder how long I'll have my job since I work for a DOE laboratory in research that guys like Trump are too stupid to see the value in.
In case anyone wants some info. Its old, but its been a while since a president was stupid enough to try this crap.
http://gao.gov/products/FPCD-82-21
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/24/2017, 09:34 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/24/2017, 09:34 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 01/24/2017, 09:18 AMI wonder how long I'll have my job since I work for a DOE laboratory in research that guys like Trump are too stupid to see the value in.Especially since he appointed Perry as its Secretary; you know, the guy that said it's useless and should be eliminated. Much like Trump, he's since flip flopped, admitting that climate change is real and that it's probably a good idea to have a department in charge of our nukes, but who knows what the morons will actually do or push for.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 01/24/2017, 02:00 PM
Post by: Otaking on 01/24/2017, 02:00 PM
What does Trumpf say to his wife?
Add your caption....
http://youtu.be/vqCyPchMFZ0
Add your caption....
http://youtu.be/vqCyPchMFZ0
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/24/2017, 02:55 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 01/24/2017, 02:55 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 01/24/2017, 02:00 PMWhat does Trumpf say to his wife?Remember our 'prenup'?...
Add your caption....
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/24/2017, 03:12 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/24/2017, 03:12 PM
From happy to totally bummed in two seconds flat. :lol:
Cry baby in chief is back to claiming millions of illegals voted for Clinton. His fragile ego just can't handle the fact that he lost the popular vote.
Cry baby in chief is back to claiming millions of illegals voted for Clinton. His fragile ego just can't handle the fact that he lost the popular vote.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/24/2017, 07:12 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/24/2017, 07:12 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/24/2017, 03:12 PMFrom happy to totally bummed in two seconds flat. [emoji38]Yeah that's pretty freaking stupid, and a complete waste of time. Move on dude.
Cry baby in chief is back to claiming millions of illegals voted for Clinton. His fragile ego just can't handle the fact that he lost the popular vote.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 01/24/2017, 07:30 PM
Post by: OldRover on 01/24/2017, 07:30 PM
What's this joker gonna do for us little guys? Nothing? Oh yeah, that's right, nothing. Fuck him. Not really but fuck him. FUCK. HIM. That is all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/24/2017, 09:04 PM
Post by: esteban on 01/24/2017, 09:04 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 01/24/2017, 07:30 PMWhat's this joker gonna do for us little guys? Nothing? Oh yeah, that's right, nothing. Fuck him. Not really but fuck him. FUCK. HIM. That is all.100% agreed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 01/24/2017, 09:11 PM
Post by: jtucci31 on 01/24/2017, 09:11 PM
None of this is surprising at all
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/25/2017, 04:53 AM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/25/2017, 04:53 AM
Quote from: Otaking on 01/24/2017, 02:00 PMWhat does Trumpf say to his wife?"I don't know why you're smiling. Aren't you an immigrant?"
Add your caption....
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/25/2017, 10:41 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/25/2017, 10:41 AM
Quote from: guest on 01/24/2017, 07:12 PMHe can't. It's a dent in his "I won by a landslide" bullshit narrative. And now he's supposedly ordering an investigation. And when it comes back proving him to be full of shit, he'll just claim victory again like he did with Obama's birth certificate.Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/24/2017, 03:12 PMFrom happy to totally bummed in two seconds flat. [emoji38]Yeah that's pretty freaking stupid, and a complete waste of time. Move on dude.
Cry baby in chief is back to claiming millions of illegals voted for Clinton. His fragile ego just can't handle the fact that he lost the popular vote.
We're less than a week in. God dammit.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/25/2017, 02:53 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/25/2017, 02:53 PM
http://youtu.be/jXQLUVDOhyo
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 01/25/2017, 03:32 PM
Post by: Otaking on 01/25/2017, 03:32 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/25/2017, 02:53 PMhttp://youtu.be/jXQLUVDOhyohttp://youtu.be/p46AXCtue9c
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 01/26/2017, 02:56 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 01/26/2017, 02:56 AM
:lol:
Perfect, I'll have to save that one for future use!
Perfect, I'll have to save that one for future use!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 01/26/2017, 09:13 AM
Post by: Otaking on 01/26/2017, 09:13 AM
This video below appeared in my youtube feed as a recommended video, I'd never seen this guys channel before.
I gave it a watch and he does put accross a very compelling agrument towards stopping imagration from Mexico to the US, in that it would actually be in Mexicos interest for it's citizens to not leave thier country but rather stay and make there own country better.
I'm still not sure I agree with him, I'm generally more left wing in my views, but he's put forward the best case for the opposite side that I've seen.
http://youtu.be/UOOBlcOIcLs
I gave it a watch and he does put accross a very compelling agrument towards stopping imagration from Mexico to the US, in that it would actually be in Mexicos interest for it's citizens to not leave thier country but rather stay and make there own country better.
I'm still not sure I agree with him, I'm generally more left wing in my views, but he's put forward the best case for the opposite side that I've seen.
http://youtu.be/UOOBlcOIcLs
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/26/2017, 12:45 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/26/2017, 12:45 PM
Stopping illegal immigration is great and all, and I'm not against it, broadly. But a $10B wall isn't gonna do shit.
If you haven't watched last night's Trump interview, I highly recommend it. And, if you can come away from it without thinking he's an absolute fucking nutjob I will be either impressed or frightened for your sanity.
https://youtu.be/q6UrD6LKfCk
https://youtu.be/RDvoBoxv028
If you haven't watched last night's Trump interview, I highly recommend it. And, if you can come away from it without thinking he's an absolute fucking nutjob I will be either impressed or frightened for your sanity.
https://youtu.be/q6UrD6LKfCk
https://youtu.be/RDvoBoxv028
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 01/26/2017, 01:45 PM
Post by: Gredler on 01/26/2017, 01:45 PM
Full interview here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/president-trump-white-house-interview-part-45052458
the world is a mess, david, the world is a mess.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/president-trump-white-house-interview-part-45052458
the world is a mess, david, the world is a mess.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/26/2017, 06:10 PM
Post by: esteban on 01/26/2017, 06:10 PM
http://youtu.be/gneBUA39mnI
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 01/26/2017, 06:14 PM
Post by: Gredler on 01/26/2017, 06:14 PM
I watched that yesterday, classic episode; the debate ones are pretty good too.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/26/2017, 06:37 PM
Post by: esteban on 01/26/2017, 06:37 PM
Holy shite: Trump referred to "Sea of Love"... which can only be interpreted as excellent taste in obscure TG-CD games.
Fuck me! I actually like something about Trump now.
Excellent choice, Mr. President.
Excellent. Choice.
https://junk.tg-16.com/audio/ICFTD/Sea_of_Love_Full_Version_TurboGrafx_CD.mp3
Fuck me! I actually like something about Trump now.
Excellent choice, Mr. President.
Excellent. Choice.
https://junk.tg-16.com/audio/ICFTD/Sea_of_Love_Full_Version_TurboGrafx_CD.mp3
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 01/26/2017, 06:43 PM
Post by: Gredler on 01/26/2017, 06:43 PM
the link, it is dead!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 01/26/2017, 06:47 PM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 01/26/2017, 06:47 PM
esteban he also drops subtle references to Tengen's Off the Wall quite often.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 01/27/2017, 12:52 PM
Post by: jtucci31 on 01/27/2017, 12:52 PM
Not to stoke the fire even more, but this article was an excellent, if not totally depressing, read.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/orwells-1984-and-trumps-america
One of the main points that really hit with me is when Gopnik basically says that reason and "consequences" are pretty much thrown out the window with someone who has based their entire political construct on the antithesis of that idea.
He also makes note of intellectual conservatives who "share these resentments far more deeply than they value the rational practices" and the main point being that "resentment comes before reason."
It's not a terribly long read, either.
Community is the only cure for catastrophe. Action is the only antidote to anger.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/orwells-1984-and-trumps-america
One of the main points that really hit with me is when Gopnik basically says that reason and "consequences" are pretty much thrown out the window with someone who has based their entire political construct on the antithesis of that idea.
He also makes note of intellectual conservatives who "share these resentments far more deeply than they value the rational practices" and the main point being that "resentment comes before reason."
It's not a terribly long read, either.
Community is the only cure for catastrophe. Action is the only antidote to anger.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 01/27/2017, 07:36 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 01/27/2017, 07:36 PM
The irony of the above-linked essay is that it reinforces the misguided notion that Trump's braggadocio is more harmful than the lies that have been fed to us by leftism for years. This reinforcement is itself a rejection of reality, one that people have been conditioned to accept because liars have told us that blatant irrationalities are "rational", "reasonable", and "moral" for so long.
Donald Trump is a master troll, weaving truth with hyperbole and distracting his opponents with absurdities. And like any master troll, he has shattered the insular groupthink to expose a remarkable diversity of thought that exists outside the comfortable little bubble. Trump's election is our chance to escape from the society of 1984; it's no surprise that small minds are saying just the opposite.
Donald Trump is a master troll, weaving truth with hyperbole and distracting his opponents with absurdities. And like any master troll, he has shattered the insular groupthink to expose a remarkable diversity of thought that exists outside the comfortable little bubble. Trump's election is our chance to escape from the society of 1984; it's no surprise that small minds are saying just the opposite.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/27/2017, 07:45 PM
Post by: esteban on 01/27/2017, 07:45 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 01/27/2017, 07:36 PMThe irony of the above-linked essay is that it reinforces the misguided notion that Trump's braggadocio is more harmful than the lies that have been fed to us by leftism for years. This reinforcement is itself a rejection of reality, one that people have been conditioned to accept because liars have told us that blatant irrationalities are "rational", "reasonable", and "moral" for so long.Hilarious comic relief.
Donald Trump is a master troll, weaving truth with hyperbole and distracting his opponents with absurdities. And like any master troll, he has shattered the insular groupthink to expose a remarkable diversity of thought that exists outside the comfortable little bubble. Trump's election is our chance to escape from the society of 1984; it's no surprise that small minds are saying just the opposite.
Did you not read about how he embraced TG-CD?
*That* is the news.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 07:56 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 01/27/2017, 07:36 PMThe irony of the above-linked essay is that it reinforces the misguided notion that Trump's braggadocio is more harmful than the lies that have been fed to us by leftism for years. This reinforcement is itself a rejection of reality, one that people have been conditioned to accept because liars have told us that blatant irrationalities are "rational", "reasonable", and "moral" for so long.I love you emerald. Will you have my baby? [emoji13]
Donald Trump is a master troll, weaving truth with hyperbole and distracting his opponents with absurdities. And like any master troll, he has shattered the insular groupthink to expose a remarkable diversity of thought that exists outside the comfortable little bubble. Trump's election is our chance to escape from the society of 1984; it's no surprise that small minds are saying just the opposite.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 01/27/2017, 08:01 PM
Post by: OldRover on 01/27/2017, 08:01 PM
Both sides lie through their fucking teeth any chance they get. This isn't news. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 08:44 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 08:44 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 01/27/2017, 08:01 PMBoth sides lie through their fucking teeth any chance they get. This isn't news. [emoji38]I love you Rover. Will you have my baby? [emoji13]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 09:01 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 09:01 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 01/27/2017, 08:52 PMIf only we'd had a self-serving rich old white businessman as president sooner, 'murica wouldn't need re-greatening.I hate you Nulltard. Can I charge my crystal on your face?
... And those upgraded F tits [emoji28]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 09:34 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/27/2017, 09:34 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 01/27/2017, 09:23 PMGod damn it! The pressure. Meet you under the Turbo table?lolQuote from: guest on 01/27/2017, 09:01 PMOnly at MGC baby. Be there or be a Crooked Hillary supporter!Quote from: Nulltard on 01/27/2017, 08:52 PMIf only we'd had a self-serving rich old white businessman as president sooner, 'murica wouldn't need re-greatening.I hate you Nulltard. Can I charge my crystal on your face?
... And those upgraded F tits [emoji28]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/28/2017, 02:39 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/28/2017, 02:39 AM
http://youtu.be/tgpfswDHA_Y
How will he deal with the debt indeed...
How will he deal with the debt indeed...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: elmer on 01/29/2017, 04:02 AM
Post by: elmer on 01/29/2017, 04:02 AM
By moving all of his personal assets into foreign currencies, and then declaring bankruptcy and settling with China for pennies-on-the-dollar!!! That's just good business!!! What a smart guy!!! :dance:
Oh ... what ... 2/3 of that debt is held by the US Taxpayers and 401K accounts,etc? Well, tough! Who cares about those guys. It'll hurt China (7% of the debt), and that's all that matters! :?
http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/economy/us-debt-ownership/
Oh ... what ... 2/3 of that debt is held by the US Taxpayers and 401K accounts,etc? Well, tough! Who cares about those guys. It'll hurt China (7% of the debt), and that's all that matters! :?
http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/economy/us-debt-ownership/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 01/31/2017, 05:52 PM
Post by: Gredler on 01/31/2017, 05:52 PM
A coworker quit on friday, and I wondered why as he was a brilliant worker, but I later found out that he had "immigration concerns" because of what was going on, then this popped up. I'll miss him, he was a really nice guy and I was learning a lot working next to him.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/trumps-next-executive-order-draft-to-target-tech-companies.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/trumps-next-executive-order-draft-to-target-tech-companies.html
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/01/2017, 07:31 AM
Post by: esteban on 02/01/2017, 07:31 AM
Quote from: Gredler on 01/31/2017, 05:52 PMA coworker quit on friday, and I wondered why as he was a brilliant worker, but I later found out that he had "immigration concerns" because of what was going on, then this popped up. I'll miss him, he was a really nice guy and I was learning a lot working next to him.This is a huge topic, but rather than get into *everything*, I was wondering about one aspect:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/trumps-next-executive-order-draft-to-target-tech-companies.html
Q: How will projects that are outsourced be handled?
The reason I ask is because a visa are a very "tangible" concept...and it can be tracked relatively "easily"...
However, there is no system in place (that I know of) that tracks offshore teams contracted for work in the private sector.
ASIDE: This is but one of several policies that will directly affect friends/family. I really do feel as if I am living in Bizarro World.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/01/2017, 07:32 AM
Post by: esteban on 02/01/2017, 07:32 AM
...double post...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 02/01/2017, 07:57 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 02/01/2017, 07:57 AM
Quote from: esteban on 02/01/2017, 07:31 AMMy company has undone many of the offshoring projects it started 10 years ago, because they were not successful. For customer service people complained and for internal support, the jobs weren't getting done correctly. I read a while ago abut nearsourcing, because there are so many U.S. cities where wages are low, that these cities (mine included) are the new India/Poland/etc. I have friends that work at other large companies and they have said they've seen the same labor practices.Quote from: Gredler on 01/31/2017, 05:52 PMA coworker quit on friday, and I wondered why as he was a brilliant worker, but I later found out that he had "immigration concerns" because of what was going on, then this popped up. I'll miss him, he was a really nice guy and I was learning a lot working next to him.This is a huge topic, but rather than get into *everything*, I was wondering about one aspect:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/trumps-next-executive-order-draft-to-target-tech-companies.html
Q: How will projects that are outsourced be handled?
The reason I ask is because a visa are a very "tangible" concept...and it can be tracked relatively "easily"...
However, there is no system in place (that I know of) that tracks offshore teams contracted for work in the private sector.
ASIDE: This is but one of several policies that will directly affect friends/family. I really do feel as if I am living in Bizarro World.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 09:07 AM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 09:07 AM
This shouldn't impact outsourcing at all. The intent is to ensure we are using work visas to get the best talent and fill hard to place jobs.
I work with plenty of foreign nationals, and none seem to be worried about this.
Maybe your attitude is causing fear and anxiety in your co-workers.
I work with plenty of foreign nationals, and none seem to be worried about this.
Maybe your attitude is causing fear and anxiety in your co-workers.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/01/2017, 09:28 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/01/2017, 09:28 AM
When you have former Bush officials predicting Trump getting impeached before his first term is up is like a clue or something.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/676727/former-bush-administration-official-ominously-warns-trumps-presidency-probably-end-calamity
http://theweek.com/speedreads/676727/former-bush-administration-official-ominously-warns-trumps-presidency-probably-end-calamity
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/01/2017, 02:47 PM
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 02/01/2017, 02:47 PM
TRUMP LOVES CUM 2017
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 02/01/2017, 02:54 PM
Post by: Gredler on 02/01/2017, 02:54 PM
Quote from: guest on 02/01/2017, 09:07 AMMaybe your attitude is causing fear and anxiety in your co-workers.I wonder what attitude you're referring to? I am only repeating what he said, and his supervisor shortly after told me.
I have always voted republican before this election ("threw away my vote" on a third party this election fwiw - and live in California where Dems won anyways so my vote didn't matter either way.) There are things Trump is doing that I have hopes will help, and in California that is a attitude punishable by exile. I do have a lot of issues with his social policies so far, but I am not educated enough to debate with you scholars.
I'd like you to let me know where in this thread I made statements that would contribute to fear and anxiety, as this thread is where I am more vocal and opinionated than anywhere else; I am much more tight lipped and conservative about vocalizing my political views in the work place than on this liberally dominated message board.
I've mentioned it in other threads, but I am blessed to work in a great environment that I really enjoy being in, and the cultural diversity here is warm and inviting, so I wasn't even considering the coworker influence on his fear.
Pointing fingers at me was not what I expected in response to me mentioning this happening; I was just mentioning it in passing as I was surprised that I heard of this affecting anyone directly, although it was just a preemptive action because of fear. I am glad to hear your coworkers aren't panicking and staying with you. I hope that is the more consistent response to the current times, but I was just surprised that this is freaking some people out enough to change their career dramatically, and re-relocate.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 03:53 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 03:53 PM
Quote from: Gredler on 02/01/2017, 02:54 PMSorry. I didn't mean to point fingers. Didn't realize it came across that way until I read Nullys response.Quote from: guest on 02/01/2017, 09:07 AMMaybe your attitude is causing fear and anxiety in your co-workers.I wonder what attitude you're referring to? I am only repeating what he said, and his supervisor shortly after told me.
I have always voted republican before this election ("threw away my vote" on a third party this election fwiw - and live in California where Dems won anyways so my vote didn't matter either way.) There are things Trump is doing that I have hopes will help, and in California that is a attitude punishable by exile. I do have a lot of issues with his social policies so far, but I am not educated enough to debate with you scholars.
I'd like you to let me know where in this thread I made statements that would contribute to fear and anxiety, as this thread is where I am more vocal and opinionated than anywhere else; I am much more tight lipped and conservative about vocalizing my political views in the work place than on this liberally dominated message board.
I've mentioned it in other threads, but I am blessed to work in a great environment that I really enjoy being in, and the cultural diversity here is warm and inviting, so I wasn't even considering the coworker influence on his fear.
Pointing fingers at me was not what I expected in response to me mentioning this happening; I was just mentioning it in passing as I was surprised that I heard of this affecting anyone directly, although it was just a preemptive action because of fear. I am glad to hear your coworkers aren't panicking and staying with you. I hope that is the more consistent response to the current times, but I was just surprised that this is freaking some people out enough to change their career dramatically, and re-relocate.
There's nothing in particular you've posted either. I know that most folks here fall in the liberal side of the pool, and with the way folks are losing their shit right now, it was an assumption.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/01/2017, 03:58 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/01/2017, 03:58 PM
Quote from: Gredler on 02/01/2017, 02:54 PMI wonder what attitude you're referring to?Don't sweat it. That's the standard response from Trump retards: nothing bad is ever Trump's fault.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/01/2017, 04:37 PM
Post by: esteban on 02/01/2017, 04:37 PM
Quote from: guest on 02/01/2017, 09:07 AMThis shouldn't impact outsourcing at all. The intent is to ensure we are using work visas to get the best talent and fill hard to place jobs.They are two separate issues (visas, outsourcing).
I work with plenty of foreign nationals, and none seem to be worried about this.
Maybe your attitude is causing fear and anxiety in your co-workers.
I have concerns about both issues, independently, for different reasons.
However, what I *do* want clarification on is whether or not (1) clamping down on visas --> (2) an increase in simply outsourcing IT development.
This is *not* the desired outcome I want, naturally, so I am curious of anyone has any ideas (perhaps from other sectors/industries).
The folks I know (financial/medical sectors) have seen a huge shift (over last 15-20 years) to visa programs+outsourcing to handle major components of large projects. The projects retain only a small contingent of local developers.
One can't help but feel that this corporate push is motivated by saving money/cutting development costs.
Since I have friends/family occupying all positions in this complex web, It has been hard to sort through everything—it's been an ongoing topic of debate for a long time for us.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 04:58 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 04:58 PM
Quote from: esteban on 02/01/2017, 04:37 PMI don't know how places outsource software development. I guess if you are developing a stand alone product, it could be relatively easy, but I don't see how places could outsource software projects to integrate with legacy systems.Quote from: guest on 02/01/2017, 09:07 AMThis shouldn't impact outsourcing at all. The intent is to ensure we are using work visas to get the best talent and fill hard to place jobs.They are two separate issues (visas, outsourcing).
I work with plenty of foreign nationals, and none seem to be worried about this.
Maybe your attitude is causing fear and anxiety in your co-workers.
I have concerns about both issues, independently, for different reasons.
However, what I *do* want clarification on is whether or not (1) clamping down on visas --> (2) an increase in simply outsourcing IT development.
This is *not* the desired outcome I want, naturally, so I am curious of anyone has any ideas (perhaps from other sectors/industries).
The folks I know (financial/medical sectors) have seen a huge shift (over last 15-20 years) to visa programs+outsourcing to handle major components of large projects. The projects retain only a small contingent of local developers.
One can't help but feel that this corporate push is motivated by saving money/cutting development costs.
Since I have friends/family occupying all positions in this complex web, It has been hard to sort through everything—it's been an ongoing topic of debate for a long time for us.
Leading design and development efforts is hard enough with a local staff all speaking the same language. I couldn't imagine trying to do that with a foreign group and a language barrier.
Luckily for my dept, we contract with the DOD, so we can't outsource.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 02/01/2017, 06:39 PM
Post by: OldRover on 02/01/2017, 06:39 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 02/01/2017, 09:28 AMWhen you have former Bush officials predicting Trump getting impeached before his first term is up is like a clue or something.Yeah, it's a clue... a clue that everyone and their grandmother is trying to become relevant again years after their prime time in the spotlight by riding the current bandwagon. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 08:50 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/01/2017, 08:50 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 02/01/2017, 06:39 PMYeah kinda the pot and the kettle. Bush is lucky he didn't get impeached for war crimes.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 02/01/2017, 09:28 AMWhen you have former Bush officials predicting Trump getting impeached before his first term is up is like a clue or something.Yeah, it's a clue... a clue that everyone and their grandmother is trying to become relevant again years after their prime time in the spotlight by riding the current bandwagon. [emoji38]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/02/2017, 10:19 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/02/2017, 10:19 PM
Way to go Trump!
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/iran-just-officially-ditched-the-dollar-in-major-blow-to-us-heres-why-it-matters
Don't know who is kookier. But Ron Paul does make a point.
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/iran-just-officially-ditched-the-dollar-in-major-blow-to-us-heres-why-it-matters
Don't know who is kookier. But Ron Paul does make a point.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 02/03/2017, 08:34 AM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 02/03/2017, 08:34 AM
Quote from: guest on 02/01/2017, 08:50 PMWeren't Bush & Cheney charged with War Crimes in Europe? I remember reading an article about that and if they go to Europe supposedly they'd be arrested.Quote from: The Old Rover on 02/01/2017, 06:39 PMYeah kinda the pot and the kettle. Bush is lucky he didn't get impeached for war crimes.Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 02/01/2017, 09:28 AMWhen you have former Bush officials predicting Trump getting impeached before his first term is up is like a clue or something.Yeah, it's a clue... a clue that everyone and their grandmother is trying to become relevant again years after their prime time in the spotlight by riding the current bandwagon. [emoji38]
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a35397/bush-cheney-war-crimes/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/04/2017, 02:43 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/04/2017, 02:43 AM
QuoteHowever, what I *do* want clarification on is whether or not (1) clamping down on visas --> (2) an increase in simply outsourcing IT developmentIt's hard to predict until it happens, but I would guess "no". The reason is because pure offshore outsourcing -- as someone else already noted -- is being recognized as problematic.
At a certain company, "pure" outsourcing to offshore companies for development work has caused issues -- communication is difficult due to differences in working hours and there's a noticeable drop in quality from using onsite resources. The only things that are still "pure" outsourced to offshore firms by this company is routine system maintenance (transmitting batch files, running database jobs, etc).
Instead of hiring domestically, the company decided to bring offshore resources to the US by way of H1-B visas. Theoretically, these visas are intended for contract work that is not permanent OR cannot be staffed by citizens/residents. I don't know the details of the law, but there is some penalty to keeping H1-B employees here for an extended duration. Either it's a legal issue (visa duration) or a tax penalty.
To get around this, they bring in a team of workers from India. When their visas are about to expire, they bring in a new team from India. There is a two-week overlap for training. The original team leaves. And when the new team's visas are about to expire, the original team is brought back on new H1-B visas.
By doing this rotation, the H1-B process can be used to replace citizen/resident workers permanently. Companies do this because it's cheaper than hiring citizens/residents (since payment is administered through the offshoring firm, and not directly to the H1-B workers). This has been going on for years.
This process saves companies money, but it removes domestic jobs from the marketplace. This is particularly prevalent in the IT industry (which does not require the level of expertise for which the H1-B program was originally envisioned). At this one company, I feel reasonably confident that due to quality issues they would opt to hire domestically if the H1-B program were restricted or re-tooled. But I have no idea how the industry at large would react.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/04/2017, 03:39 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 02/04/2017, 03:39 PM
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Ha!
Ha!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 02/06/2017, 07:45 PM
Post by: Gredler on 02/06/2017, 07:45 PM
this made me lol
http://youtu.be/-la3hfztiB4
http://youtu.be/-la3hfztiB4
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TR0N on 02/07/2017, 02:20 AM
Post by: TR0N on 02/07/2017, 02:20 AM
Quote from: Gredler on 02/06/2017, 07:45 PMthis made me lolHaaa you're soul is mine !!!
http://youtu.be/-la3hfztiB4
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/14/2017, 09:57 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/14/2017, 09:57 PM
This is fucking hilarious what John Oliver did.
http://youtu.be/xecEV4dSAXE
And the abridged version.
http://youtu.be/Peqyv5TZqfI
http://youtu.be/xecEV4dSAXE
And the abridged version.
http://youtu.be/Peqyv5TZqfI
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 02/15/2017, 12:29 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 02/15/2017, 12:29 AM
Yep. Nice going, fuckwits.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 02/15/2017, 03:18 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 02/15/2017, 03:18 PM
Even with everything going on, Trump's supporters are still over the top committed to the guy. He can do no wrong in their eyes
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 02/15/2017, 03:52 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 02/15/2017, 03:52 PM
How about we check in on what Flynn is up to in 5-6 years. I am betting he has a nice job at a Trump offshoot... First one to fall on his sword...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/15/2017, 04:12 PM
Post by: esteban on 02/15/2017, 04:12 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 01/26/2017, 12:45 PMhttp://youtu.be/RDvoBoxv028I just had to say—this was literally the inspiration for the most recent Le Doodle!
Thanks again for posting this!
I thought "jluedke" was the one who posted it.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 02/15/2017, 04:33 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 02/15/2017, 04:33 PM
I finally took my name back! Long story, years and years ago something got jacked up with my account and when Aaron fixed it, he changed my username to the first part of my email address. Now that Necro's a mod, I finally got it fixed. Thanks again Necro!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/15/2017, 05:12 PM
Post by: esteban on 02/15/2017, 05:12 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 02/15/2017, 04:33 PMI finally took my name back! Long story, years and years ago something got jacked up with my account and when Aaron fixed it, he changed my username to the first part of my email address. Now that Necro's a mod, I finally got it fixed. Thanks again Necro!Ha!
I have messed up so many different folks over the years, trying to follow the name changes... I am glad I did not mess up your name <--> moniker.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 02/16/2017, 02:17 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 02/16/2017, 02:17 PM
Alright Trump supporters, I'm gonna need you to watch today's press conference (or whatever the hell that was supposed to be) and take your best shot at convincing me he's not a fucking lunatic. You don't even need to defend the last week of insanity. Just today's press conference.
http://youtu.be/QnrqzCkkKKA
The floor is yours.
http://youtu.be/QnrqzCkkKKA
The floor is yours.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sadler on 02/16/2017, 03:31 PM
Post by: Sadler on 02/16/2017, 03:31 PM
Quote from: guest on 02/16/2017, 02:17 PMAlright Trump supporters, I'm gonna need you to watch today's press conference (or whatever the hell that was supposed to be) and take your best shot at convincing me he's not a fucking lunatic. You don't even need to defend the last week of insanity. Just today's press conference.Whelp, not a Trump fan, seriously sick of talk about Trump and politics in general, but I've read enough from Trump fans online that I think I can take a crack at this.
http://youtu.be/QnrqzCkkKKA
The floor is yours.
"LOL More winning!! He's trolling the media! No one has ever had the balls that Trump does! Best president in history!! #MAGADRAINTHESWAMPPRAISEKEKSORRYYOURGALLOSTCUCKBETAFAKENEWS"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/18/2017, 02:39 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/18/2017, 02:39 AM
QuoteAlright Trump supporters, I'm gonna need you to watch today's press conference (or whatever the hell that was supposed to be) and take your best shot at convincing me he's not a fucking lunatic. You don't even need to defend the last week of insanity. Just today's press conference.Trump's press conference was amusing but not nearly as interesting as people are making it out to be. His demeanor and delivery was so calm.
Now, I need you to play Bonk's Revenge and convince me that it's not trash. No need to defend any of Hudson's other insanity like China Warrior, just defend Bonk's Revenge.
I won't tell you what I didn't like about the game. Just focus on the game's obvious shortcomings and tell me why it's okay for the game to be so flawed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/18/2017, 06:51 AM
Post by: esteban on 02/18/2017, 06:51 AM
Emerald!
Please tell me you watched the ICFTD LeDoodle...I think you will like it.
I don't need any feedback other than "yes" or "no" :)
Please tell me you watched the ICFTD LeDoodle...I think you will like it.
I don't need any feedback other than "yes" or "no" :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 02/18/2017, 09:29 AM
Post by: mitsuman on 02/18/2017, 09:29 AM
I was watching Stephen Colbert yesterday while eating dinner. Of course, like the past however many days/weeks/months, he spent his monologue attacking trump.
I was fine with it until he got to the part of the press conference where he told the reporter to invite the CBC to meet with him(trump).
I turned it off. That was COMPLETELY blown out of proportion. She was asking about it, and in typical trump fashion, he said, "well why don't you do it!"
It wasn't a "hey, you're black so you must know all other black people" thing.
I explained to my wife it is like when we are driving somewhere, she tells me where to turn, and I ask if she wants to drive. I'm tired of her telling me, so I sarcastically tell her to do it. That is what trump did.
The whole thing was completely blown out of proportion and taken out of context.
Now that I've said that, let me say this.
I can't stand the guy. He and his cabinet will be the beginning of the downfall of the US. He is a misogynistic, entitled, racist, douchebag who has no business being in politics.
If we are going to fight against him and his cabinet of idiots, we need to do it properly. Stop manufacturing things to attack him on. We all know he's a racist. We all know he's a sexist pig. We know all of the horribleness that he is.
We need to attack/protest against the things that are important. DeVos's voucher system needs to be stopped. Bannon needs to be taken down. Pence needs to be stopped from spreading theocratic type governing.
Stop blowing things out of proportion and focus on the things that actually matter and will effect us for years to come.
I was fine with it until he got to the part of the press conference where he told the reporter to invite the CBC to meet with him(trump).
I turned it off. That was COMPLETELY blown out of proportion. She was asking about it, and in typical trump fashion, he said, "well why don't you do it!"
It wasn't a "hey, you're black so you must know all other black people" thing.
I explained to my wife it is like when we are driving somewhere, she tells me where to turn, and I ask if she wants to drive. I'm tired of her telling me, so I sarcastically tell her to do it. That is what trump did.
The whole thing was completely blown out of proportion and taken out of context.
Now that I've said that, let me say this.
I can't stand the guy. He and his cabinet will be the beginning of the downfall of the US. He is a misogynistic, entitled, racist, douchebag who has no business being in politics.
If we are going to fight against him and his cabinet of idiots, we need to do it properly. Stop manufacturing things to attack him on. We all know he's a racist. We all know he's a sexist pig. We know all of the horribleness that he is.
We need to attack/protest against the things that are important. DeVos's voucher system needs to be stopped. Bannon needs to be taken down. Pence needs to be stopped from spreading theocratic type governing.
Stop blowing things out of proportion and focus on the things that actually matter and will effect us for years to come.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/18/2017, 10:21 AM
Post by: esteban on 02/18/2017, 10:21 AM
Quote from: mitsuman on 02/18/2017, 09:29 AMDeVos's voucher system needs to be stopped. Bannon needs to be taken down. Pence needs to be stopped from spreading theocratic type governing.I knew we agreed on stuff. :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 02/18/2017, 12:01 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 02/18/2017, 12:01 PM
Quote from: guest on 02/18/2017, 10:54 AMI just watched the conference at your suggestion, I did not see anything better or worse than I've seen from politicians in the 20 years I've been old enough to follow. Which points of the video were standout problems in your opinion? I would day Obama is a president who didn't give us a ton of sound bites because he walked the line so cautiously, so perhaps that is what you are used to now, but back up to GW and Clinton and press conferences used to have a little more to talk about.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 02/18/2017, 02:39 AMIt is OK for Bonk's Revenge to have some flaws with its play mechanics because it is a game, not the leader of the (currently) free world. A paranoid psychotic megalomaniac as president of the USA doesn't get a free pass so easily, imo.QuoteAlright Trump supporters, I'm gonna need you to watch today's press conference (or whatever the hell that was supposed to be) and take your best shot at convincing me he's not a fucking lunatic. You don't even need to defend the last week of insanity. Just today's press conference.Trump's press conference was amusing but not nearly as interesting as people are making it out to be. His demeanor and delivery was so calm.
Now, I need you to play Bonk's Revenge and convince me that it's not trash. No need to defend any of Hudson's other insanity like China Warrior, just defend Bonk's Revenge.
I won't tell you what I didn't like about the game. Just focus on the game's obvious shortcomings and tell me why it's okay for the game to be so flawed.
The irony with this thread and with all similar conversations on all sides is that we are primarily a centrist country, we just let the loud voices on both sides overpower the sensible centrists. The system has been working how it is supposed to so far, people are pushing for their side, the balances are making it so they can't go too far, everyone in the middle continues to be pretty okay.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Sadler on 02/18/2017, 12:12 PM
Post by: Sadler on 02/18/2017, 12:12 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 02/18/2017, 12:01 PMI just watched the conference at your suggestion, I did not see anything better or worse than I've seen from politicians in the 20 years I've been old enough to follow. Which points of the video were standout problems in your opinion?I know this wasn't directed at me, but calling news "very fake news", repeating bullshit ("won in a landslide!"), and bragging about how awesome he is when in reality he hasn't done much of anything yet were my problems with it. Basically he acted like a douche, and I get it. That's his personality and some people love him for it. It irritates the shit out of me, and again, I get it. Some people love the fact that he pisses off people.
He's only been in office for less than a month. I don't think the sky is falling and I don't think he'll end all of humanity. Frankly he hasn't actually done anything terrible yet aside from acting like a jackass. I'm hopeful that he'll do a great job. I just wish he'd act like an adult.
QuoteThe irony with this thread and with all similar conversations on all sides is that we are primarily a centrist country, we just let the loud voices on both sides overpower the sensible centrists.I'm with you here. It gets old seeing meme after meme, slogan after slogan shouted at me about "god emperor trump" just as much as it gets old being told that Trump is the worst thing that's ever happened and all his supporters are racist misogynists who want to end anything that isn't white and male.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/18/2017, 06:33 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/18/2017, 06:33 PM
Quote from: esteban on 02/18/2017, 06:51 AMEmerald!No, but I will look for it now. Thanks for the heads up!
Please tell me you watched the ICFTD LeDoodle...I think you will like it.
I don't need any feedback other than "yes" or "no" :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 02/19/2017, 10:13 AM
Post by: OldRover on 02/19/2017, 10:13 AM
I'm so burned out on all this political babble that I don't even care anymore. Women still have their rights, World War 3 hasn't started, and no one's electrocuting gay people. People still have their health insurance, their food stamps, their social security, their welfare. Unions still exist. Contraception is still a thing. Walmart is still richer than all of us. The swamp still stinks. What's changed? Nothing. What's going to change? Nothing.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/19/2017, 12:08 PM
Post by: esteban on 02/19/2017, 12:08 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 02/19/2017, 10:13 AMI'm so burned out on all this political babble that I don't even care anymore. Women still have their rights, World War 3 hasn't started, and no one's electrocuting gay people. People still have their health insurance, their food stamps, their social security, their welfare. Unions still exist. Contraception is still a thing. Walmart is still richer than all of us. The swamp still stinks. What's changed? Nothing. What's going to change? Nothing.I am not as optimistic as you.
It takes decades to change things (establish a progressive policy), yet even small/minor achievements can easily be dismantled or rendered impotent when president + Congress have common interest to do so.
As you said: we have to see if Trump + Congress will be able to dismantle important policies/guiding principles.
It certainly seems like there is enough support to do so.
Sadly, the actual consequences and damage from this administration might not be acknowledged by this country until Trump is on his way out of the office.
Plus: if Obama was complicit (and he was) in continuing the unjust policies of Bush (and prior Presidents) (such as torture, clandestine military/intelligence operations, weakening unions, attacking teachers, supporting the war on drugs, etc)... I have little room for hope that Trump will be any different (in fact, he will be closer to Bush).
That alone is reason to care.
We (progressives) haven't recovered a lot of ground that was lost in Reagan and Clinton eras (Reagan and Clinton both successfully attacked and cut social services to those who most needed support)....
...the thought of yet another presidential term where we (progressives) have to "just deal with it" is exhausting.
We are never going to give up, but, damn, it would be nice if we didn't have to fight tooth-and-nail to maintain the most basic elements of a civilized society.
Ninguna persona es ilegal.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 02/19/2017, 07:59 PM
Post by: OldRover on 02/19/2017, 07:59 PM
I stopped caring because this is the same kind of rabble as from the right when Obama took office. I am not as susceptible to FUD as most are. With all the horseshit spread about Trump both during the election and after it, I pretty much outright dismiss anything the left-wing media says now. Cry wolf enough times and people stop listening. The left cried wolf way too much and now I don't give a damn. It's not optimism... it's realism. The right was oh so convinced that Obama was coming for their guns and yet here we are eight years later and they're even more armed than before. The right's crying wolf made me dismiss them years ago. Now it's the left's turn.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 02/19/2017, 09:47 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 02/19/2017, 09:47 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 02/19/2017, 07:59 PMI stopped caring because this is the same kind of rabble as from the right when Obama took office. I am not as susceptible to FUD as most are. With all the horseshit spread about Trump both during the election and after it, I pretty much outright dismiss anything the left-wing media says now. Cry wolf enough times and people stop listening. The left cried wolf way too much and now I don't give a damn. It's not optimism... it's realism. The right was oh so convinced that Obama was coming for their guns and yet here we are eight years later and they're even more armed than before. The right's crying wolf made me dismiss them years ago. Now it's the left's turn.Maybe the best post I read in this whole thread.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/20/2017, 07:24 AM
Post by: esteban on 02/20/2017, 07:24 AM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 02/19/2017, 07:59 PMI stopped caring because this is the same kind of rabble as from the right when Obama took office. I am not as susceptible to FUD as most are. With all the horseshit spread about Trump both during the election and after it, I pretty much outright dismiss anything the left-wing media says now. Cry wolf enough times and people stop listening. The left cried wolf way too much and now I don't give a damn. It's not optimism... it's realism. The right was oh so convinced that Obama was coming for their guns and yet here we are eight years later and they're even more armed than before. The right's crying wolf made me dismiss them years ago. Now it's the left's turn.1. The media has always been pro-corporate, pro establishment—and remains so. The media is *not* left-leaning.
2. Trump's administration has made things too easy--they are making rookie mistakes. Don't confuse this (an easy target for journalism) for anything else. A sixth-grader could perform the basic fact-checking necessary to monitor the Trump Administration.
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The media has *always* been status-quo (support the establishment, it's the path of least resistance).
The media are not supporting the left. The media are just remaining, as an institution, status-quo. They are pro-corporate interests, too, but that goes without saying, since most media are conglomerates themselves and rely on ad revenue from other conglomerates.
As a journalist, you are expected to at least "pretend" to be the fourth estate and monitor politics, if only in a rudimentary manner, and identify any obvious corruption/abuse.
Journalism is simply performing the same function they always have---and it remains just as lame now as it was ____ decades ago.
Trump and his administration could *easily* avoid a lot of criticism by carefully planning policy and controlling the message about it. Basic PR.
Basic.
I would argue that Trump has made things *far too easy* for journalists. He and his staff break basic etiquette, rules, guidelines (and sometimes laws) routinely. EASY TARGET.
Trump's administration is just making it far too easy... even the lamest, most imbecilic "journalist" can perform his/her job--they don't have to spend much time researching/investigating when a president + administration are easily contradicted by established facts.
Part II
It's *not* that the media is left-leaning, it's that the politics and discussion in this country have shifted so far to the right... hell, a very conservative person considered a "centrist" 40 years ago can be deemed a "left-winger" these days. Of course, the person who makes this outlandish claim also thinks Breitbart is a reliable news source.
Relativity.
The media has remained the same, sadly. We always had the Daily News, which has always been sensational crap masquerading as journalism. Now Daily News has become the dominant "form" of news-esque
I would argue that the popularity of right-wing, conservative talk shows/TV shows has exploded in the last 2-3 decades, though. In that sense, the landscape has changed. But, however influential those right-wing pundits are, they are a distinct and separate category than "journalist".
So, as far as the boring, typical journalists...who aren't attached to some sensational show...they really haven't changed (as an institution).
ASIDE: Even if you don't care about "BIG ISSUES", what about stuff in the tech world? Like FCC and net neutrality and stuff like that?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 02/20/2017, 07:34 AM
Post by: OldRover on 02/20/2017, 07:34 AM
Quote from: esteban on 02/20/2017, 07:24 AMI would argue that Trump has made things *far too easy* for journalists. He and his staff break basic etiquette, rules, guidelines (and sometimes laws) routinely. EASY TARGET.Too true, except for the laws bit. I'd actually like to know which laws Trump has broken. No one has been able to tell me so far.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/20/2017, 10:05 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/20/2017, 10:05 AM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 02/20/2017, 07:34 AMToo true, except for the laws bit. I'd actually like to know which laws Trump has broken. No one has been able to tell me so far.Esty included Trump's staff in that statement, and there's no question that Flynn and Conway broke the law; the former when he spoke to Russia about their response to Obama's sanctions and again when he lied to the FBI about it, and the latter when she plugged Ivanka's merchandise.
However, I won't argue that either is a big deal or that they were trying to harm US interests. In typical bullshit politician fashion, neither were smart enough to think before acting and thought the rules didn't apply to them anyway. They learned fast, eh?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 02/20/2017, 10:55 AM
Post by: esteban on 02/20/2017, 10:55 AM
Quote from: guest on 02/20/2017, 10:05 AMCorrect, and I even tried to soften my statement by including it at the end of a list that began with etiquette :) ... my point was that TRIVIAL THINGS are easy targets!Quote from: OldRover on 02/20/2017, 07:34 AMToo true, except for the laws bit. I'd actually like to know which laws Trump has broken. No one has been able to tell me so far.Esty included Trump's staff in that statement, and there's no question that Flynn and Conway broke the law; the former when he spoke to Russia about their response to Obama's sanctions and again when he lied to the FBI about it, and the latter when she plugged Ivanka's merchandise.
However, I won't argue that either is a big deal or that they were trying to harm US interests. In typical bullshit politician fashion, neither were smart enough to think before acting and thought the rules didn't apply to them anyway. They learned fast, eh?
My advice to Trump & Co. : Don't make rookie mistakes. Period. Make your critics work hard...don't hand them ammunition.
This is basic PR.
Also: make sure all of your administration speaks one clear message (internal debate is normal and healthy, but don't present that to the public...it diminishes any sort of credibility/competency/teamwork you were hoping to project to public.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/20/2017, 09:43 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 02/20/2017, 09:43 PM
QuoteThe media are not supporting the left. The media are just remaining, as an institution, status-quo.The media leans left. This was clear in 2012 and it was even more clear in 2016. I don't know how you can dispute this, unless you're suggesting that Obama is the definition of centrist. It's all relative so I can't really stop you from putting the center wherever you want.
As an example of their leanings, NBC News just released a propaganda video of children lecturing Trump on immigration and refugees. The media will never play nice with Trump as long as he represents the "wrong" policy positions -- the positions that got him elected.
I don't disagree with the suggestion that his administration could use more discipline around messaging. Politics is a constant PR campaign. But I'll add that any such efforts should speak to voters directly; trying to please the media would be a mistake.
Quotethere's no question that Flynn and Conway broke the law; the former when he spoke to Russia about their response to Obama's sanctionsI'll grant you Conway -- but it's not clear that Flynn broke the law, since discussion of sanctions isn't necessarily illegal. No one has ever been prosecuted for violating the Logan Act (in large part because conversations like this are supposedly normal for incoming administrations), so we may never know the boundary between legal and illegal.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 02/21/2017, 11:52 AM
Post by: mitsuman on 02/21/2017, 11:52 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 02/20/2017, 09:43 PMThe media leans left.I go more towards being liberal than a conservative, and even I can see this.
But sometimes it even gets annoying. But again, all media is corporate media. I haven't researched lately, but there are 6 or so corporations that run all of the mass media outlets. You aren't going to get unbiased, honest journalism that way.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/21/2017, 02:34 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/21/2017, 02:34 PM
The media leans left overall, but there's right leaning outlets (Fox) and centrist outlets (BBC) as well. The bigger issue is that they ARE NOT straight news sources, nor have they ever been. Nobody can fill 24 hours of air time without sensationalizing everything, digging for more dirt, debating what it all means, and using off the record, unverifiable sources.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/21/2017, 11:53 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 02/21/2017, 11:53 PM
Wondering when Trump will get his own bad techno song? Apparently Putin has one:
http://youtu.be/gncW1zqMFgs
Thanks John Oliver!
http://youtu.be/gncW1zqMFgs
Thanks John Oliver!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/01/2017, 12:25 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/01/2017, 12:25 AM
Believe me.
http://youtu.be/cmdFne7LnuA
http://youtu.be/cmdFne7LnuA
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 03/03/2017, 12:20 PM
Post by: Dicer on 03/03/2017, 12:20 PM
http://youtu.be/1vx3_2ks5qQ
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/08/2017, 08:04 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/08/2017, 08:04 PM
You folks who think the media lean LEFT are, sadly, mistaken:
(1) mainstream media in US is unabashedly in support of pro-corporate and status quo establishment perspectives/policies.
(2) please review some basic research on media studies...content analysis of the "experts" used in journalism/news stories are overwhelmingly government officials, military/former military officials, representatives from corporations, analysts from conservative/centrist think tanks, etc. Current/former spokesmen for police, state prosecutors, etc.
This research *literally* quantifies the level of left-centrist-right political views represented in the media. These analyses also, repeatedly, point out that the perspectives that are given the *most* credence and authority are most certainly *not* from the left.
Media studies started with newspaper journalism but expanded into radio/tv and now internet news sources/reporting.
You can tease me, but your view of the "left" is completely skewed if you think that the current state of popular media in the U.S. "Leans to the left".
It's actually insulting.
The "left", my "left" is not consistently nor accurately represented in any popular/mainstream media.
I WISH IT WAS.
Jesus, I wish it was.
No, we have a pathetic fucking farce of a "political discourse" on this country.
Personally, one of the biggest problems facing our nation, as I see it, is how the Democrats (who were centrist, at best) shifted right (especially with Clinton in 90's. He did so much damage, he ushered in Republican-lite era ).
Obama was not progressive, overall, sadly. He really was status quo. Anyone who complains about Obama being too liberal is an idiot. He was *not* liberal *enough*
Ha!
I am sure you disagree.
That's OK.
I still love you :)
(1) mainstream media in US is unabashedly in support of pro-corporate and status quo establishment perspectives/policies.
(2) please review some basic research on media studies...content analysis of the "experts" used in journalism/news stories are overwhelmingly government officials, military/former military officials, representatives from corporations, analysts from conservative/centrist think tanks, etc. Current/former spokesmen for police, state prosecutors, etc.
This research *literally* quantifies the level of left-centrist-right political views represented in the media. These analyses also, repeatedly, point out that the perspectives that are given the *most* credence and authority are most certainly *not* from the left.
Media studies started with newspaper journalism but expanded into radio/tv and now internet news sources/reporting.
You can tease me, but your view of the "left" is completely skewed if you think that the current state of popular media in the U.S. "Leans to the left".
It's actually insulting.
The "left", my "left" is not consistently nor accurately represented in any popular/mainstream media.
I WISH IT WAS.
Jesus, I wish it was.
No, we have a pathetic fucking farce of a "political discourse" on this country.
Personally, one of the biggest problems facing our nation, as I see it, is how the Democrats (who were centrist, at best) shifted right (especially with Clinton in 90's. He did so much damage, he ushered in Republican-lite era ).
Obama was not progressive, overall, sadly. He really was status quo. Anyone who complains about Obama being too liberal is an idiot. He was *not* liberal *enough*
Ha!
I am sure you disagree.
That's OK.
I still love you :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/12/2017, 06:34 PM
Post by: Otaking on 03/12/2017, 06:34 PM
http://youtu.be/MrkJM4JUB28
http://youtu.be/S5OCeXbVg84
http://youtu.be/S5OCeXbVg84
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 03/13/2017, 02:15 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 03/13/2017, 02:15 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 03/12/2017, 06:34 PMhttp://youtu.be/MrkJM4JUB28I wasn't going to watch the info Wars video, but I did.
http://youtu.be/S5OCeXbVg84
So he blames fake news on mainstream media, which the term has been pushed by the Trump administration. He said the people claiming fake news are just afraid of criticism and questioning, which again, is being pushed by the Trump administration. That's why he banned the handful of news outlets from the White House briefings. He said mainstream media is trying to silence the public online presence, when the Trump administration is basically handing over the control of the internet to the huge corporate internet providers.
Then he said the aliens in the SNL skit were supposed to be the Russians...I couldn't watch any more.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 03/13/2017, 02:23 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 03/13/2017, 02:23 PM
Quote from: esteban on 03/08/2017, 08:04 PMYou folks who think the media lean LEFT are, sadly, mistaken:I get where you are coming from, and agree for the most part. I'm saying they lean left of center, for the most part. I agree, it's not the true "left", because, as you mentioned, it is all corporate controlled. "Conservative" media outlets are generally looked on as almost fringe reporting.
(1) mainstream media in US is unabashedly in support of pro-corporate and status quo establishment perspectives/policies.
(2) please review some basic research on media studies...content analysis of the "experts" used in journalism/news stories are overwhelmingly government officials, military/former military officials, representatives from corporations, analysts from conservative/centrist think tanks, etc. Current/former spokesmen for police, state prosecutors, etc.
This research *literally* quantifies the level of left-centrist-right political views represented in the media. These analyses also, repeatedly, point out that the perspectives that are given the *most* credence and authority are most certainly *not* from the left.
Media studies started with newspaper journalism but expanded into radio/tv and now internet news sources/reporting.
You can tease me, but your view of the "left" is completely skewed if you think that the current state of popular media in the U.S. "Leans to the left".
It's actually insulting.
The "left", my "left" is not consistently nor accurately represented in any popular/mainstream media.
I WISH IT WAS.
Jesus, I wish it was.
No, we have a pathetic fucking farce of a "political discourse" on this country.
Personally, one of the biggest problems facing our nation, as I see it, is how the Democrats (who were centrist, at best) shifted right (especially with Clinton in 90's. He did so much damage, he ushered in Republican-lite era ).
Obama was not progressive, overall, sadly. He really was status quo. Anyone who complains about Obama being too liberal is an idiot. He was *not* liberal *enough*
Ha!
I am sure you disagree.
That's OK.
I still love you :)
I gave up on mainstream media YEARS ago. I rarely take one single article at its word. I'll do other reading on some if before I make my mind up.
And yes, the left is way more to the right then it used to be. I remember when Gore ran (and won...) against Bush. It was like watching the two same guys run for president. They seemed to be just slightly different.
That's why when Obama came into the picture, he did so well. But then, like you, a lot of people were let down by his nearly do nothing, pushover type attitude and track record. I voted for him twice. The first time was out of hope and excitement. The second time was more of because he wasn't Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Otaking on 03/18/2017, 11:13 AM
Post by: Otaking on 03/18/2017, 11:13 AM
All gone kind of relitively quiet on the Donald Trump front.
Where's the BIG changes he promised soon as he got into office??
Where's the wall?????
Where's the healthcare reform??
Where's the BIG changes he promised soon as he got into office??
Where's the wall?????
Where's the healthcare reform??
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/18/2017, 01:33 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/18/2017, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Otaking on 03/18/2017, 11:13 AMAll gone kind of relitively quiet on the Donald Trump front.You forgot the alleged wiretapping. As far as healthcare reform...
Where's the BIG changes he promised soon as he got into office??
Where's the wall?????
Where's the healthcare reform??
http://youtu.be/Ifi9M7DRazI
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 03/18/2017, 02:09 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 03/18/2017, 02:09 PM
Health Care Reform... AKA tax cut for the rich?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/19/2017, 02:23 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/19/2017, 02:23 AM
The public shellacking that the GOP healthcare bill is receiving (even from GOP members) is much better than the secrecy under which ACA was voted in. There's no way this is going to pass as-is, and that's good, because we'll get to see the process in real time.
I wish this happened more often.
I wish this happened more often.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/19/2017, 01:17 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/19/2017, 01:17 PM
Quote from: racistI remember vividly watching as the gop flailed, lied, and fearmongered against the best parts of the original ACA (and everything under Obama, really), and Obama letting those parts be omitted for the sake of bipartisanship.What were the best parts of ACA, the ones that Obama let be omitted?
In regards to secrecy:
ACA was locked in a room, and members of Congress were given a short time (a couple hours, if I recall) to look at the 2000-page bill in that room. No one who voted on it had read the whole thing. Obscure aspects of the bill were being discovered daily by HHS and the public after its passage in 2010.
By comparison, the 130-page GOP bill is available for the public to read, and it hasn't even been officially introduced in the House yet. The process started in secrecy (see: Rand Paul's quest to track it down), but then something happened. I don't know why the process suddenly became transparent, but it did.
This bill will never pass as-is, so it would be a waste of energy for me to care what you think about it right now. But I'm glad it's openly available for you to read and decide that you hate it.
Your distracting claim that Trump plans to starve senior citizens is nonsense. If you're talking about Meals on Wheels, then you're misinformed. That also has nothing to do with anything that I posted.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/19/2017, 02:38 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/19/2017, 02:38 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/19/2017, 01:17 PMSecrecy: "You have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" What a dumb Fuck.Quote from: racistI remember vividly watching as the gop flailed, lied, and fearmongered against the best parts of the original ACA (and everything under Obama, really), and Obama letting those parts be omitted for the sake of bipartisanship.What were the best parts of ACA, the ones that Obama let be omitted?
In regards to secrecy:
ACA was locked in a room, and members of Congress were given a short time (a couple hours, if I recall) to look at the 2000-page bill in that room. No one who voted on it had read the whole thing. Obscure aspects of the bill were being discovered daily by HHS and the public after its passage in 2010.
By comparison, the 130-page GOP bill is available for the public to read, and it hasn't even been officially introduced in the House yet. The process started in secrecy (see: Rand Paul's quest to track it down), but then something happened. I don't know why the process suddenly became transparent, but it did.
This bill will never pass as-is, so it would be a waste of energy for me to care what you think about it right now. But I'm glad it's openly available for you to read and decide that you hate it.
Your distracting claim that Trump plans to starve senior citizens is nonsense. If you're talking about Meals on Wheels, then you're misinformed. That also has nothing to do with anything that I posted.
Just when I thought she had set the bar for dumb statements, suddenly Bush is back in office, and her cohort thinks Putin invaded north korea[emoji28]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/19/2017, 06:44 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/19/2017, 06:44 PM
The ACA wasn't even Obama's bill. The GOP called it Obamacare as an insult... which is amusing considering most of the bill was their work. Also, Trump isn't exactly championing this new bill... he's had damn near nothing to do with it. This is largely Ryan's work.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/19/2017, 09:49 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/19/2017, 09:49 PM
Agree with Old Rover that neither bill represents what the respective presidents wanted. Obama's mistake was that he repeated false statements about the bill, and of course he gets some responsibility since he signed it, but ACA wasn't his brainchild. Obama wanted universal healthcare administered by the government, but not even his own party would support that (at the time).
And Trump is talking nice in public, but reading between the lines, it's pretty obvious he thinks the new bill needs work. Part of me suspects that he's "supporting" Ryan with the expectation that Ryan will fall flat on his face.
And Trump is talking nice in public, but reading between the lines, it's pretty obvious he thinks the new bill needs work. Part of me suspects that he's "supporting" Ryan with the expectation that Ryan will fall flat on his face.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/20/2017, 09:58 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/20/2017, 09:58 AM
I love all the Trump leg humpers already making excuses for Trumpcare.
"Trump had nothing to do with it; it's all Ryan's doing! Trump secretly wants it to fail, then he'll bring out his own glorious plan!!!"
"Trump had nothing to do with it; it's all Ryan's doing! Trump secretly wants it to fail, then he'll bring out his own glorious plan!!!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/20/2017, 10:13 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/20/2017, 10:13 AM
What is indisputable is that Trump promised, and I quote, "Everyone will be covered."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/20/2017, 07:14 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/20/2017, 07:14 PM
Quote from: guestI love all the Trump leg humpers already making excuses for Trumpcare.Not making excuses -- it becomes Trumpcare if he signs it. Until then, it's a proposal (that Ryan created). I'm predicting that it won't make it to Trump's desk, not in its current form. Doesn't it seem strange to say it's a "good start" and call it a "negotiation" if he thinks it's ready to pass and sign? Also, he keeps reminding "Republicans" not to mess this up. If he believed in it, wouldn't he be claiming credit? Obviously I could be misreading this. We'll see.
Quote from: guestprimarily the public option / single payerTalking heads debated the public option, but in the context of ACA, there was never a fight over the public option because no one proposed it in a legislative form.
Also, there wasn't a filibuster. You're probably thinking of Ted Cruz's 2013 filibuster over a spending bill. He talked about ACA a lot during that one.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/20/2017, 09:02 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/20/2017, 09:02 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 03/20/2017, 11:00 AMToymachine: what are you talking about? I'm lost.http://www.bizpacreview.com/2017/02/08/2-dingbats-separated-birth-following-waters-epic-gaffe-pelosi-thinks-bush-president-445780
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/20/2017, 09:33 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/20/2017, 09:33 PM
Honest question: is that a site you visit regularly?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 03/20/2017, 09:49 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 03/20/2017, 09:49 PM
What I find amazing is for how much bitching the GOP did over Obamacare for the last seven years, how did they come up with such an obviously shit plan? Seven years and all they have is a taxcut plan with age based, not income based tax credits that barely cover nothing?
What happened to Trumps plan? "I've got a plan, a really good plan! Everyone will be covered! Its going to be great just wait! Its almost done!" and then we get this shit. Well done Trump voters. Well done indeed. Its ok though, his presidency is really going to hurt the poor white working class that voted for him.
Honestly, I really dont see how anyone can still defend the guy. Its obvious he's a fraud.
What happened to Trumps plan? "I've got a plan, a really good plan! Everyone will be covered! Its going to be great just wait! Its almost done!" and then we get this shit. Well done Trump voters. Well done indeed. Its ok though, his presidency is really going to hurt the poor white working class that voted for him.
Honestly, I really dont see how anyone can still defend the guy. Its obvious he's a fraud.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/20/2017, 10:11 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 03/20/2017, 10:11 PM
It's pretty bad when members of his own party question his budget cuts:
http://youtu.be/ySTQk6updjQ
http://youtu.be/ySTQk6updjQ
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 03/20/2017, 10:13 PM
Post by: esteban on 03/20/2017, 10:13 PM
My favorite quote from Trump:
"I call it a sea of love..."
This post designed for bipartisan appeal.
"I call it a sea of love..."
This post designed for bipartisan appeal.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/20/2017, 10:36 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/20/2017, 10:36 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 03/20/2017, 09:33 PMHonest question: is that a site you visit regularly?First time I've ever seen it. It was the first article I found that summed up the Pelosi and Waters gaffes in one article.
Didn't feel like posting a bunch of links. The domain name seemed odd, but since the article was accurate, didn't give it much thought.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/20/2017, 11:41 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/20/2017, 11:41 PM
Quote from: BlueBMWWhat I find amazing is for how much bitching the GOP did over Obamacare for the last seven years, how did they come up with such an obviously shit plan?The GOP never planned to win. They expected/wanted to be the minority party, because it's easy to complain without ever being put in the position to fix anything. Job security. I'm pretty sure they don't have a realistic tax reform plan either. The CBO actually determined that *simply repealing Obamacare and replacing it with nothing* would be better than passing this new bill. (CBO should be taken with a rock of salt since they were so wrong about ACA numbers, but still.)
As for Trump, it's easy for me to feel comfortable defending him. Generally speaking, I think he's already doing important things. Time will be the judge of that. Regarding healthcare specifically, he's giving the guy who spent 7 years claiming he had a plan a chance to show off his plan. That's the right thing to do. If Trump actually signs this sham into law then I'll be disappointed. But that won't happen.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Artabasdos on 03/21/2017, 07:16 AM
Post by: Artabasdos on 03/21/2017, 07:16 AM
Tbh mate, I'm bored stiff of the hysteria over Trump. When you look into a lot of the horror stories, they turn out to be bullshit. Even worse, Obama did a whole bunch of nasty crap, yet he's treated well for some reason.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/21/2017, 10:24 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/21/2017, 10:24 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/20/2017, 11:41 PMGenerally speaking, I think he's already doing important things.Such as...?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/21/2017, 08:48 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/21/2017, 08:48 PM
Anyone who genuinely wants to know what those things are, can PM me. I'm not interested in providing forum fodder for another 30-person battle royale when we haven't settled even a single score yet ;)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2017, 11:20 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/22/2017, 11:20 AM
LOL, Trump apologists.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/22/2017, 01:51 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/22/2017, 01:51 PM
He'll tell us as soon as the audit's done.
/ZING!
/ZING!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/22/2017, 07:21 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/22/2017, 07:21 PM
LOL, amateur trolls.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/23/2017, 01:00 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/23/2017, 01:00 AM
Would you say we're...Fake Trolls? Eh? Eh?
/DOUBLE ZING!
/DOUBLE ZING!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/23/2017, 03:06 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 03/23/2017, 03:06 AM
KingDrool's "jokes" are pathetic (lame) -- thinks he's clever but only his old Jurassic-era face is funny. Too bad!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Artabasdos on 03/23/2017, 06:01 AM
Post by: Artabasdos on 03/23/2017, 06:01 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 03/23/2017, 03:06 AMKingDrool's "jokes" are pathetic (lame) -- thinks he's clever but only his old Jurassic-era face is funny. Too bad!He's only cranky because his tiny T-Rex arms are so short he can't jerk off. Poor guy...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 03/23/2017, 11:23 AM
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 03/23/2017, 11:23 AM
Soon, Trump will have the largest hands in all of Mars. Sad,
http://www.space.com/36154-president-trump-signs-nasa-authorization-bill.html
http://www.space.com/36154-president-trump-signs-nasa-authorization-bill.html
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 03/23/2017, 01:46 PM
Post by: Gredler on 03/23/2017, 01:46 PM
Danm, that's easily the coolest thing he's done. Bring on the Vulcans, let's do this!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 03/23/2017, 05:56 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 03/23/2017, 05:56 PM
Come on, I'm on FIRE with those sick burns!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/23/2017, 08:49 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/23/2017, 08:49 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Artabasdos on 03/23/2017, 09:14 PM
Post by: Artabasdos on 03/23/2017, 09:14 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/23/2017, 09:49 AMThe proper way to end a tweet-length burn is with "sad!". For instance:I'm not fake... I really was a Byzantine general!
Failing Emerald Rocker and FAKE Artabados have tiny hands compared to me. Sad!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/29/2017, 08:08 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/29/2017, 08:08 PM
Fuck yeah Johnny!!
http://youtu.be/KmE0M9TOIxU
http://youtu.be/KmE0M9TOIxU
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 04/06/2017, 11:01 PM
Post by: Gypsy on 04/06/2017, 11:01 PM
Just feels like a good time to bump this thread.........
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/07/2017, 08:38 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/07/2017, 08:38 AM
Quote from: Gypsy on 04/06/2017, 11:01 PMJust feels like a good time to bump this thread.........Considering he just bombed one of Syria's airbases.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/syria-decries-aggression-us-launches-041508155.html
Yep, pissed off Russia. Awesome.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2017, 09:56 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/07/2017, 09:56 AM
So much for the USA keeping its nose out of the Middle East. Trump was okay with the 100+ prior chemical attacks and hundreds of thousands killed so far in their civil war, but the latest was just too much?
On the plus side, Trump notified Russia well in advance of the attack, so I'm sure Russia and Syria had plenty of time to move everything of value. We just spent a hundred million dollars bombing an abandoned base, but nobody's talking about Russian election influence. Totally worth it!
On the plus side, Trump notified Russia well in advance of the attack, so I'm sure Russia and Syria had plenty of time to move everything of value. We just spent a hundred million dollars bombing an abandoned base, but nobody's talking about Russian election influence. Totally worth it!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/07/2017, 10:31 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/07/2017, 10:31 AM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/07/2017, 09:56 AMOn the plus side, Trump notified Russia well in advance of the attack, so I'm sure Russia and Syria had plenty of time to move everything of value.This is true and has been reported. It was an empty, bullshit move.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PM
The strike against Syria was wrong, but notifying Russia in advance was right. They aren't our enemy, and we had an agreement to tell them about things like this. Now I hope we can go back to ignoring the middle east.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 04/09/2017, 10:32 PM
Post by: OldRover on 04/09/2017, 10:32 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/07/2017, 09:56 AMbut nobody's talking about Russian election influence.Nobody? People, media included, wouldn't shut the fuck up about it... and some still won't. No hard evidence has ever surfaced, and at this point, it doesn't matter anyway. Furthermore, why is everyone so hung up on Russia? WTF? Get yer heads out of the 1980s, Reagan isn't President anymore (or even alive anymore), the Cold War is over, the Russkies aren't coming. So Putin's a major dick... big deal. The USA still supports Israel (and millions back this up) despite it being a puppet state of terrorists... BUT WAT ABOUT RUSSIA!!! This is "wat about teh emailz!" all over again, only with some classic Reaganesque fearmongering bullshit thrown in for good measure.
People are only "concerned" about Russia because the media is telling them to be concerned about Russia. Don't be so easily led. Smoke and mirrors, friends... smoke and mirrors. There are way bigger fish to fry right now.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 11:42 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 11:42 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PMThe strike against Syria was wrong, but notifying Russia in advance was right.Telling Russia to avoid WWIII is a good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it also gave Syria advanced warning, making the attack ultimately pointless. Even if Russia had decided to keep their ally in the dark, we also gave our middle east 'partners' advance notice for some silly reason, and you know those corrupt shitholes can't keep a secret.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PMThey aren't our enemy, and we had an agreement to tell them about things like this.If they're not our enemy then neither is Syria; Russia is not a passive participant in their civil war. It's like saying we could've entered WWII to only fight Germany but stayed buddies with Italy and Japan.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PMNow I hope we can go back to ignoring the middle east.The missiles did very little to stop their chemical weapons capabilities, so it's only a matter of time before they use 'em again against civilians (the latest was one of 100+ such attacks). Trump's ego won't let him stand by next time.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 04/09/2017, 10:32 PMNobody? People, media included, wouldn't shut the fuck up about it... and some still won't.That was hyperbole. The issue obviously didn't disappear entirely, but neither was it the leading headline.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 04/09/2017, 10:32 PMNo hard evidence has ever surfaced, and at this point, it doesn't matter anyway.I hope you mean no hard evidence of Trump's collusion, as there's no question that Russia fucked with us. I agree that there's not much we can do about it, but the point is more about teaching dipshit Trump that they most certainly are not our friends.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 04/10/2017, 03:18 PM
Post by: geise on 04/10/2017, 03:18 PM
Rove I think the more important issue is "When do you normally get in chat? Is it mostly on DoxPhile or sunteam's chat? what time typically do you get on? I'd like to catch up."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 04/10/2017, 03:50 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 04/10/2017, 03:50 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 11:42 AMThere is no evidence that Russia did shit. Just word of mouth. Oh... The intelligence committee has the evidence.... Really?Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PMThe strike against Syria was wrong, but notifying Russia in advance was right.Telling Russia to avoid WWIII is a good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that it also gave Syria advanced warning, making the attack ultimately pointless. Even if Russia had decided to keep their ally in the dark, we also gave our middle east 'partners' advance notice for some silly reason, and you know those corrupt shitholes can't keep a secret.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PMThey aren't our enemy, and we had an agreement to tell them about things like this.If they're not our enemy then neither is Syria; Russia is not a passive participant in their civil war. It's like saying we could've entered WWII to only fight Germany but stayed buddies with Italy and Japan.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/08/2017, 12:36 PMNow I hope we can go back to ignoring the middle east.The missiles did very little to stop their chemical weapons capabilities, so it's only a matter of time before they use 'em again against civilians (the latest was one of 100+ such attacks). Trump's ego won't let him stand by next time.Quote from: The Old Rover on 04/09/2017, 10:32 PMNobody? People, media included, wouldn't shut the fuck up about it... and some still won't.That was hyperbole. The issue obviously didn't disappear entirely, but neither was it the leading headline.Quote from: The Old Rover on 04/09/2017, 10:32 PMNo hard evidence has ever surfaced, and at this point, it doesn't matter anyway.I hope you mean no hard evidence of Trump's collusion, as there's no question that Russia fucked with us. I agree that there's not much we can do about it, but the point is more about teaching dipshit Trump that they most certainly are not our friends.
Even if the committee has the intelligence, can they prove it was a state associated hack, and not just a hacker(s) that happen to live in Russia?
And should we believe them anyway when the vault 7 CIA leak shows that they have methods of spoofing hacks to make them appear to be the work of other governments?
Maybe the emails and DNC wouldn't have been such easy targets had they followed security guidelines, and not kept private servers, shared passwords, and accessed systems on personal non-hardened devices. No one wants to discuss accountability for the enabling parties.
In regards to the Syria attack. I think it's bullshit. We do not need to be in the regime change business, and if Assad is toppled, it will be much much worse for the Syrian people. Ask Iraq and Lybia how it's working out. Those people are absolutely nuts. There's a reason it takes dictators and despots to keep the peace over there.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 04:39 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 04:39 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 03:50 PMThere is no evidence that Russia did shit. Just word of mouth. Oh... The intelligence committee has the evidence.... Really?When every US intelligence agency, dozens of private cyber security companies, and even Trump himself has laid the blame at Russia's feet, only a moron would conclude that there's no evidence of anything.
Even if the committee has the intelligence, can they prove it was a state associated hack, and not just a hacker(s) that happen to live in Russia?
And should we believe them anyway when the vault 7 CIA leak shows that they have methods of spoofing hacks to make them appear to be the work of other governments?
But it's all a conspiracy! Don your tinfoil hats!
Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 03:50 PMMaybe the emails and DNC wouldn't have been such easy targets had they followed security guidelines, and not kept private servers, shared passwords, and accessed systems on personal non-hardened devices. No one wants to discuss accountability for the enabling parties.Translation: she shouldn't have been wearing such a short skirt and tight top if she didn't want to get raped.
Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 03:50 PMIn regards to the Syria attack. I think it's bullshit. We do not need to be in the regime change business, and if Assad is toppled, it will be much much worse for the Syrian people. Ask Iraq and Lybia how it's working out. Those people are absolutely nuts. There's a reason it takes dictators and despots to keep the peace over there.Agreed. It's a shame that Trump and the rest of the war hawk cocksuckers didn't learn that lesson from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 04/10/2017, 04:53 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 04/10/2017, 04:53 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 04:39 PMThat's a pretty stupid comparison. Rape victims aren't committing felonies by dressing a certain way.Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 03:50 PMMaybe the emails and DNC wouldn't have been such easy targets had they followed security guidelines, and not kept private servers, shared passwords, and accessed systems on personal non-hardened devices. No one wants to discuss accountability for the enabling parties.Translation: she shouldn't have been wearing such a short skirt and tight top if she didn't want to get raped.
You are in essence taking up for the drug dealer who calls the police to report he was robbed of his drugs.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 05:30 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 05:30 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 04:53 PMThat's a pretty stupid comparison. Rape victims aren't committing felonies by dressing a certain way.Only Clinton's use of a private server was illegal; even then it was only using it for classified communications and failing to turn over all messages for FRA compliance that was illegal, as simply using a private server was not prohibited. None of that has a anything to do with Podesta's gmail or the DNC servers, though, which you foolishly lump together as "felonious activity".
Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 04:53 PMYou are in essence taking up for the drug dealer who calls the police to report he was robbed of his drugs.Two wrongs make a right?
Lemme guess: you wear a helmet.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 04/10/2017, 05:42 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 04/10/2017, 05:42 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/10/2017, 05:30 PMWell I think the Clinton server is at the heart of the issue. If Podesta was slinging his account credentials around as indicated by the dumps, they more than likely ended up on the Clinton server. Also, don't forget the Weiner laptop... Yeah let's keep classified info on a personal laptop I'm using to visit every porn site on the web lol.Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 04:53 PMThat's a pretty stupid comparison. Rape victims aren't committing felonies by dressing a certain way.Only Clinton's use of a private server was illegal; even then it was only using it for classified communications and failing to turn over all messages for FRA compliance that was illegal, as simply using a private server was not prohibited. None of that has a anything to do with Podesta's gmail or the DNC servers, though, which you foolishly lump together as "felonious activity".Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 04:53 PMYou are in essence taking up for the drug dealer who calls the police to report he was robbed of his drugs.Two wrongs make a right?
Lemme guess: you wear a helmet.
If you are involved in shady practices, don't be surprised if it perks the interests of shady characters.
And no, I don't wear a helmet, or uniform, if that's what you meant. I'm way too antisocial for that job.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/11/2017, 09:25 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/11/2017, 09:25 AM
Quote from: guest on 04/10/2017, 05:42 PMAnd no, I don't wear a helmet, or uniform, if that's what you meant. I'm way too antisocial for that job.You couldn't have answered the question any more succinctly. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/15/2017, 02:54 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/15/2017, 02:54 AM
QuoteIt's like saying we could've entered WWII to only fight Germany but stayed buddies with Italy and Japan.Bad analogy. While Germany and the Soviet Union were at war, Japan and the Soviet Union remained diplomatic. They only went to war after Germany was defeated. So in the alternate reality where Japan didn't attack us first, there's historical precedent that we could have fought Germany without fighting Japan.
That being said -- we haven't entered a war, and the relationship between Russia and Syria is not the same as the relationship between WWII Germany and Japan. Russia themselves have said their support of Assad is not unconditional -- and they publically agree with the USA that Assad must not use chemical weapons. (The disagreement is about whether or not he used them.)
I still disagree with the strike, and I still think it was good to notify Russia in advance. But since both Trump and Secretary of Defense Mattis said the strike was about responding to the chemical attack and not about regime change, I won't worry about it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 04/15/2017, 03:47 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 04/15/2017, 03:47 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/15/2017, 02:54 AMI still disagree with the strike, and I still think it was good to notify Russia in advance. But since both Trump and Secretary of Defense Mattis said the strike was about responding to the chemical attack and not about regime change, I won't worry about it.These regime-change interventionists destroyed the republican party for years (how we managed to gain back majorities is still a miracle to me!), gave democrats the PR to win full power in Congress, even 60 filibuster proof seats in the Senate for a few months (which is when they jammed AFA/Obamacare down), and let something like Barack Obama walk right into the WhiteHouse, no sweat... If Trumpster lets those clowns gain influence again and becomes Bush Part II, we'll see another surge of democrat sweeps...
I'm not falling for the World Police mindset again when it comes to regime-change. I saw the result of Iraq and Afghanistan, and I thought we learned our lesson, but then the next guy thought to aid regime-change rebels inside Libya, Eqypt and Syria, and that turned into another kind of disaster given the refugee wave it sent up to Europe! HELLO, YOU'RE MAKING THAT HELLHOLE WORSE! Take a break from the Middle East!!
EDIT: Well, here's Assad's "side" of the story, choose whoever you want to believe:
http://youtu.be/V-qXa9yQlEY
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/17/2017, 11:45 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/17/2017, 11:45 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/15/2017, 02:54 AMBad analogy. While Germany and the Soviet Union were at war, Japan and the Soviet Union remained diplomatic. They only went to war after Germany was defeated. So in the alternate reality where Japan didn't attack us first, there's historical precedent that we could have fought Germany without fighting Japan.If you have to make up bullshit alternate realities to make your point, you don't have one.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/15/2017, 02:54 AMThat being said -- we haven't entered a war, and the relationship between Russia and Syria is not the same as the relationship between WWII Germany and Japan. Russia themselves have said their support of Assad is not unconditional -- and they publically agree with the USA that Assad must not use chemical weapons. (The disagreement is about whether or not he used them.)Like I said, if Syria is our enemy (no matter how limited the scope) then Russia is as well. There's no separating them. Russia is a full ally of Syria and complicit in every action they take, and they'll continue to deny Assad's use of chemical weapons and use their veto power to stop the UN from doing a damn thing about it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/17/2017, 08:36 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/17/2017, 08:36 PM
QuoteIf you have to make up bullshit alternate realities to make your point, you don't have one.Wow, you really are an idiot. Your analogy is the thing that's based on a "bullshit alternate reality".
Here's your analogy....
QuoteIt's like saying we could've entered WWII to only fight Germany but stayed buddies with Italy and Japan.I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were speaking hypothetically. But since apparently you were NOT speaking of alternate realities, then let's speak reality.
The USA did not declare war on Japan as a side effect of entering "to fight Germany". We declared war on Japan because they bombed Pearl Harbor. I can't believe you are so ignorant that you are making bullshit WWII analogies without even knowing that.
And as shown by actual real history, countries being at war with Germany did not necessarily mean they were at war with Japan. Two separate countries are two separate countries. Your understanding of international relations is like a five-year-old kid. If that.
I still can't get over how your analogy could be so fucking stupid. You should be embarrassed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/18/2017, 10:04 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/18/2017, 10:04 AM
Aww, little Trumpy snowflake can't handle a discussion and has to call names and go off on a tangent because he knows he has no intelligent response regarding Syria and Russia. :lol:
I'm not talking about what other countries did (only an idiot would argue that the US and the Soviets were working under equal circumstances with equal options on how/when to enter the war), what might have happened in another dimension, or what the flying spaghetti monster wanted everyone to do. Because of the embargoes we placed against Japan prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, war with them was inevitable (even their own military said so); and because of the need to use Italy as an invasion point, it was impossible to stay friendly with them. Those aren't hypotheticals, they're history. Try again, moron.
I'm not talking about what other countries did (only an idiot would argue that the US and the Soviets were working under equal circumstances with equal options on how/when to enter the war), what might have happened in another dimension, or what the flying spaghetti monster wanted everyone to do. Because of the embargoes we placed against Japan prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, war with them was inevitable (even their own military said so); and because of the need to use Italy as an invasion point, it was impossible to stay friendly with them. Those aren't hypotheticals, they're history. Try again, moron.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/18/2017, 09:27 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/18/2017, 09:27 PM
And unsurprisingly, Necrophilia defends his "alternate reality spaghetti monster" speculation with red herrings instead of evidence.
Your analogy (that we could not enter the war to only fight against Germany without also going to war with Japan) assumes so many hypotheticals:
1) It assumes Japan wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor. That act alone turns your analogy into a hypothetical alternate reality.
2) It assumes Congress would have authorized war against Germany prior to Germany's declaration of war against us. There were proponents of entering the war, but this wasn't a sure thing.
3) It assumes Congress would have further authorized war against Japan in absence of a declaration of war from Japan against us.
You're ignoring historical reality to make a point about Syria/Russia. To use your own words:
Your analogy (that we could not enter the war to only fight against Germany without also going to war with Japan) assumes so many hypotheticals:
1) It assumes Japan wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor. That act alone turns your analogy into a hypothetical alternate reality.
2) It assumes Congress would have authorized war against Germany prior to Germany's declaration of war against us. There were proponents of entering the war, but this wasn't a sure thing.
3) It assumes Congress would have further authorized war against Japan in absence of a declaration of war from Japan against us.
You're ignoring historical reality to make a point about Syria/Russia. To use your own words:
QuoteIf you have to make up bullshit alternate realities to make your point, you don't have one.The way you bitterly cling to such a dumb analogy shows that you're not a man of reason. You're just a bundle of emotions, dressing up your gut feelings in fancy words. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/19/2017, 09:32 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/19/2017, 09:32 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/18/2017, 09:27 PMI'm beating a dead tangent horse because I know I'm too stupid to argue intelligently about Russia and Syria.Pathetic indeed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/19/2017, 11:14 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/19/2017, 11:14 AM
They're both being audited. Plus, no one cares anyway.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/19/2017, 11:46 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/19/2017, 11:46 AM
Tee-hee!
My tax returns are pretty boring, with standard deductions and no chicanery. I'd have nothing to hide nor a reason to flip-flop on the issue.
My tax returns are pretty boring, with standard deductions and no chicanery. I'd have nothing to hide nor a reason to flip-flop on the issue.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 04/19/2017, 12:46 PM
Post by: spenoza on 04/19/2017, 12:46 PM
Donald Trump reminds us just how tenuous our democratic republic really is, and just how easily our "patriotic nobility" can be sullied. He's certainly not the first, but he is the most flamboyant and obvious.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/19/2017, 07:15 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/19/2017, 07:15 PM
Ah, forget it. Damn you for suckering me into multiple posts, you troll.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 04/20/2017, 07:34 PM
Post by: esteban on 04/20/2017, 07:34 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/19/2017, 07:15 PMAh, forget it. Damn you for suckering me into multiple posts, you troll.UNSOLICITED SELF-PROMOTION
Just watch an episode of LeDoodle and you'll find happiness again.
I suggest Double Dragon II.
Thank you.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 04/21/2017, 01:31 PM
Post by: spenoza on 04/21/2017, 01:31 PM
"You troll!" screamed the troll in anguish.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/21/2017, 09:35 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/21/2017, 09:35 PM
Stop trolling, Spenoza. It's beneath you.
...one of the few things in life that is beneath you.
...one of the few things in life that is beneath you.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 04/21/2017, 10:18 PM
Post by: spenoza on 04/21/2017, 10:18 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/21/2017, 09:35 PMStop trolling, Spenoza. It's beneath you.Spake the kettle to the pot.
...one of the few things in life that is beneath you.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/22/2017, 02:57 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/22/2017, 02:57 AM
If you're calling me a kettle, I'll have you know that I identify as a pot.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 04/22/2017, 09:06 AM
Post by: spenoza on 04/22/2017, 09:06 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/22/2017, 02:57 AMIf you're calling me a kettle, I'll have you know that I identify as a pot.I can accept that. I am kettle / pot fluid.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/24/2017, 11:04 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/24/2017, 11:04 AM
Did you just assume my cooking vessel?!?
I'm getting some giggles over this dipshit crying about 100 days being a 'meaningless' and 'unfair' metric. It's so unfair of the fake news to expect him to follow his own promises.
I'm getting some giggles over this dipshit crying about 100 days being a 'meaningless' and 'unfair' metric. It's so unfair of the fake news to expect him to follow his own promises.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 04/24/2017, 12:16 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 04/24/2017, 12:16 PM
So no one is going to bring up he didn't even know where he bombed? He claimed he bombed Iraq instead of Syria.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/24/2017, 12:29 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/24/2017, 12:29 PM
Or when he said Korea was part of China?
It's hard to keep up with Trump's ignorance.
It's hard to keep up with Trump's ignorance.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 04/24/2017, 01:06 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 04/24/2017, 01:06 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 04/24/2017, 12:45 PMTRUMP SHILL!!!!!!!!Quote from: mitsuman on 04/24/2017, 12:16 PMSo no one is going to bring up he didn't even know where he bombed? He claimed he bombed Iraq instead of Syria.I give him a pass on that one. It was a simple misstatement brought on by preoccupation with that beautiful chocolate cake.
But yeah. I can understand confusion while eating a fantastic piece of cake.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 04/24/2017, 03:30 PM
Post by: esteban on 04/24/2017, 03:30 PM
Best.
Cake.
Ever.
Also, Mexico will pay for the cake.
Cake.
Ever.
Also, Mexico will pay for the cake.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/24/2017, 08:21 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/24/2017, 08:21 PM
"Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall." -Donald Trump
Translation: my supporters are fucking suckers!
Translation: my supporters are fucking suckers!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/25/2017, 07:58 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/25/2017, 07:58 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 04/24/2017, 08:21 PMEventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall. -Donald TrumpYou probably wonder why Trump supporters aren't bothered by this "reversal" on wall payment, and why they don't see themselves as suckers.
Translation: my supporters are fucking suckers!
The answer is because it's not a reversal. He has been saying -- since before the election -- that the wall would be paid for, by Mexico, but it would be reimbursement. News sites like CNN tell us that he is breaking a promise (they said the same thing when this same topic came up three months ago), but those of us who listened to the words coming out of the man's mouth know better. This quote is the same thing that he's been consistently saying for a long time.
You will of course dismiss my response as Trump shilling, but regardless of what you think, I'm factually in the right.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 04/25/2017, 08:26 PM
Post by: spenoza on 04/25/2017, 08:26 PM
Well, it is pretty clear he isn't going to get his wall, so it is largely moot.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/25/2017, 09:02 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/25/2017, 09:02 PM
Man, you suckers really tie yourselves in knots to defend this dipshit, don't you?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 04/25/2017, 09:08 PM
Post by: esteban on 04/25/2017, 09:08 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/25/2017, 07:58 PMThe fact that building such a wall represents the height of human idiocy is the actual problem.Quote from: KingDrool on 04/24/2017, 08:21 PMEventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall. -Donald TrumpYou probably wonder why Trump supporters aren't bothered by this "reversal" on wall payment, and why they don't see themselves as suckers.
Translation: my supporters are fucking suckers!
The answer is because it's not a reversal. He has been saying -- since before the election -- that the wall would be paid for, by Mexico, but it would be reimbursement. News sites like CNN tell us that he is breaking a promise (they said the same thing when this same topic came up three months ago), but those of us who listened to the words coming out of the man's mouth know better. This quote is the same thing that he's been consistently saying for a long time.
You will of course dismiss my response as Trump shilling, but regardless of what you think, I'm factually in the right.
CORRECTION: He is *consistently* pushing a racist, xenophobic plan that is so absurd and wasteful, so utterly devoid of any merit, that I question the intellect of *anyone* who supports it.
Anyone who thinks that money, energy and resources should be spent on building a wall...
...should consider how much better it would be to spend the money on burritos and beer.
Emerald, I secretly dream that Trump is a Dadaist. It is the only way to humanize someone who pushes cruel, unjust policies on the most vulnerable groups in society.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/25/2017, 11:28 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/25/2017, 11:28 PM
Thanks to Nulltard for being fair. Kinda-sorta thanks to Spenoza and Esteban for tacitly admitting that I'm right by shifting the discussion, but not being jerks about it. Big middle finger to KingDrool because he's so wrapped up in hate that he comes across as a videogame supervillain.
The unfortunate reality is that Mexico is a failed country. The wall is a protective measure as well as a warning to Mexico that they failed and need to get their **** together. People like to point to race, but the reason we don't need a wall on our Northern border is because Canada isn't overrun by Mad Max drug cartels. Building a wall is a tame response. The only reason we haven't invaded at some point in the last 28 years is because Mexico doesn't have enough oil and sand.
We've been through this before though. I refer you to our posts from July 2016 and November 2016.
Quote from: EstebanAnyone who thinks that money, energy and resources should be spent on building a wall...If you mean everyone should cross the southern border and buy burritos and beer from Mexican locals so that they feel empowered to overthrow the drug cartels, dump the corrupt police, and reclaim their government, then I appreciate the thought even if it's not practical.
...should consider how much better it would be to spend the money on burritos and beer.
The unfortunate reality is that Mexico is a failed country. The wall is a protective measure as well as a warning to Mexico that they failed and need to get their **** together. People like to point to race, but the reason we don't need a wall on our Northern border is because Canada isn't overrun by Mad Max drug cartels. Building a wall is a tame response. The only reason we haven't invaded at some point in the last 28 years is because Mexico doesn't have enough oil and sand.
We've been through this before though. I refer you to our posts from July 2016 and November 2016.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/25/2017, 11:55 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/25/2017, 11:55 PM
Ah, this guy. He's a guy who thinks a wall is a practical solution! THIS GUY! Poor little fella!
And I AM a video game super villain. It's right there in my name, sucka!
And I AM a video game super villain. It's right there in my name, sucka!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/26/2017, 09:26 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/26/2017, 09:26 AM
Trump apologist thinks him saying he'll pay for the wall with import taxes, which are paid by corporations (often US or European owned) and passed on to the US consumer, is the same as Mexico (the country) paying for it. Nope, no flip flopping here! :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 04/26/2017, 10:52 AM
Post by: spenoza on 04/26/2017, 10:52 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/25/2017, 11:28 PMKinda-sorta thanks to Spenoza and Esteban for tacitly admitting that I'm right by shifting the discussion, but not being jerks about it.I don't think you're right, but nothing will get accomplished by pointing it out. It's moot. Wall won't get built because it's ineffective and expensive and congressional Republicans, in a rare moment of collective wisdom, realize it's a non-starter. And it's not like we have any effective tools to get Mexico to pay for it, anyway, short of marching in and robbing the citizenry at gunpoint.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/26/2017, 12:56 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/26/2017, 12:56 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/26/2017, 10:52 AMIt's moot.You've used this word twice now in this discussion and it's given me an idea...
What if, instead of a wall, we dug a moat! "But they'll just swim across", you say. We'll fill the moat with piranhas! BOOM!
King Drool for president! Make stupid ideas great again!
USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 01:07 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 01:07 PM
Quote from: guestI don't think you're rightThen you're disputing fact. The record of "what Trump said" is out there and easily available. I'm not going to look up links since you don't particularly care what he said (and I'm not saying you should) -- but if you ever feel curious, then look up his immigration policy paper and rally transcripts/interviews (esp. from about three months before the election, where he spoke more clearly and even used the word "reimburse").
Quote from: necromancertroll troll trollExperience has taught me that when you are challenged, you declare your own reasoning to be an irrelevant tangent. That's classic troll behavior. Not worth talking to someone like that.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/26/2017, 01:29 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/26/2017, 01:29 PM
But man, come on: what "Trump says" changes from day to day, sometimes from minute to minute. I know I'm trying to reason with a true believer here, but seriously...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/26/2017, 01:29 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/26/2017, 01:29 PM
Typical Emerald Rocker: nitpick one minor point and completely ignore the crux of the argument because he's too stupid to form a counterpoint.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 04/26/2017, 03:23 PM
Post by: spenoza on 04/26/2017, 03:23 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 01:07 PMHe's said a lot of other things, too, some coherent, some not, some contradictory. I feel like part of his strategy was to throw out as many promises as possible, regardless of whether they were reasonable, effective, worthwhile, just so that he's bound to keep some of them. There's no point trying to evaluate whether he stuck to his word because doesn't even make promises consistently, constantly denying things we have recordings of him saying. So it doesn't matter what evidence you have he said a thing, because someone else has evidence he said a different thing, or a contradictory thing. It doesn't even matter.Quote from: guestI don't think you're rightThen you're disputing fact. The record of "what Trump said" is out there and easily available. I'm not going to look up links since you don't particularly care what he said (and I'm not saying you should) -- but if you ever feel curious, then look up his immigration policy paper and rally transcripts/interviews (esp. from about three months before the election, where he spoke more clearly and even used the word "reimburse").
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 03:30 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 03:30 PM
Quote from: necromancerstuff about ignoring cruxesYour point was that if Syria is our enemy, then Russia is our enemy. You supported this viewpoint with a bad WWII analogy. I challenged the bad WWII analogy.
Go back to where you said we should treat Russia and Syria equivalently. It's two sentences. I'm not "ignoring the crux of the argument" or "nitpicking one minor point" when the argument is two sentences, and I challenge the sentence that was used as evidence.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 03:51 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 03:51 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/26/2017, 03:23 PMHe's said a lot of other things, too, some coherent, some not, some contradictory. I feel like part of his strategy was to throw out as many promises as possible, regardless of whether they were reasonable, effective, worthwhile, just so that he's bound to keep some of them.I think we might be talking past each other.
My original post was a response to KingDrool's potshot calling Trump supporters "suckers" because of what Trump said about Mexico paying for the wall. The reason we don't feel suckered is because he has been consistent about how Mexico will "pay". As of right now, that hasn't changed. We can talk again in a few months.
If you are referring to Trump's behavior in general, then that's different from KingDrool's potshot. I agree that Trump has been strategically vague, and I also agree that he has flipped on some things. For example, Nulltard brought up Trump's reversal on locking up Hillary Clinton. That's definitely a reversal. Getting reimbursed/paid by Mexico later down the road for the wall isn't.
The reason I'm pushing back on this is because if we can't even agree on this one, verifiable thing -- Trump's consistency on Mexico paying for the wall -- then we'll never have a productive discussion on whether the wall (or any other policy) would be effective, efficient, etc. At some point two people have to be able to look at something small and say "yes, we agree on this, let's move on". If two people can't even do that much, then it's better to walk away.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/26/2017, 04:11 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/26/2017, 04:11 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 03:30 PMYour point was that if Syria is our enemy, then Russia is our enemy. You supported this viewpoint with a bad WWII analogy. I challenged the bad WWII analogy.Exactly. The point was that there's no way to separate Russia and Syria, yet you argued entirely about WWII.
Go back to where you said we should treat Russia and Syria equivalently. It's two sentences. I'm not "ignoring the crux of the argument" or "nitpicking one minor point" when the argument is two sentences, and I challenge the sentence that was used as evidence.
You had no intelligent argument to explain how Syria is our enemy but Russia is our friend, so you stuck to a tangent. Now you have no intelligent argument about how Trump is going to make Mexico pay for the wall, so you're sticking to the tangent of whether or not Trump said they'd pay up front or reimburse later.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 04/26/2017, 06:48 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 04/26/2017, 06:48 PM
All jokes aside, I'd like to clarify one thing: Me referring to Trump supporters as "suckers" was not a potshot. No sir, that is truly how I feel, so "potshot" doesn't do it justice. Simply put: anyone who enthusiastically backs this self-serving carnival barker and believes him to be sincere is a sucker, at best. In fact, I feel I'm being generous by using such a mild term.
Back to the shenanigans.
Back to the shenanigans.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PM
Quote from: guest on 04/26/2017, 04:11 PMExactly. The point was that there's no way to separate Russia and Syria, yet you argued entirely about WWII.For the record, I haven't said that Syria is our enemy and I haven't said that Russia is our friend.
You had no intelligent argument to explain how Syria is our enemy but Russia is our friend, so you stuck to a tangent. Now you have no intelligent argument about how Trump is going to make Mexico pay for the wall, so you're sticking to the tangent of whether or not Trump said they'd pay up front or reimburse later.
I'm responding again in hopes that you're not a troll, even though you're behaving like one.
1. You used a hypothetical WWII analogy as the evidence to "prove" your point about Syria and Russia. I challenged the analogy -- and in the process, highlighted a historical case where one country did treat two allied countries as two separate countries.
You want me to argue with your point, but you don't want me to challenge the evidence that you used to support your point. That is silly. If you are disowning the WWII analogy, then just say so.
2. KingDrool's post wasn't about *how* Trump might get Mexico to pay for the wall. It was about Trump supporters being suckers because Trump said Mexico will pay later on down the road. So yes, I am focused on what Trump has said -- repeatedly -- over time. That's called "staying on topic".
You want me to talk about something else. That's your problem, not mine.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/27/2017, 12:00 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/27/2017, 12:00 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PMFor the record, I haven't said that Syria is our enemy and I haven't said that Russia is our friend.So '"they [Russia] aren't our enemy" and neither is Syria? Sure, let's have 'em over for chocolate cake! They can help us pick out the next non-enemy that we can bomb for fun.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PMI'm responding again in hopes that you're not a troll, even though you're behaving like one.You're the only troll here, buddy, responding to selected bits only and ignoring everything with which you're incapable of forming a rebuttal.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PM1. You used a hypothetical WWII analogy as the evidence to "prove" your point about Syria and Russia...An analogy is proof now? Seriously?
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PM... I challenged the analogy -- and in the process, highlighted a historical case where one country did treat two allied countries as two separate countries.And I explained that the relationship and circumstances between Russia and Japan in WWII was nothing like the one between the US and Germany/Japan in WWII or the one between the US and Syria/Russia today.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PMYou want me to argue with your point, but you don't want me to challenge the evidence that you used to support your point. That is silly. If you are disowning the WWII analogy, then just say so.Again, nothing about WWII is proof. The main argument is that Syria and Russia are linked; if we went to war with Syria today, there simply is no way to fight only them, not when Russian troops are embedded with Syrian forces.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PM2. KingDrool's post wasn't about *how* Trump might get Mexico to pay for the wall. It was about Trump supporters being suckers because Trump said Mexico will pay later on down the road. So yes, I am focused on what Trump has said -- repeatedly -- over time. That's called "staying on topic".I was talking about your response to spenoza, where you responded only to the issue of when Mexico would pay, totally ignoring the remaining 90% of his post.
And the topic is "Trump". It's not a single, specific issue thread.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 04/26/2017, 07:44 PMYou want me to talk about something else. That's your problem, not mine.No, I get it. You know it's impossible to intelligently argue that such a wall would be effective or that there's a feasible way to make Mexico pay, so you'll argue only a small part of the complete picture. It's what trolls and morons do. Which one are you?
Whatchoo all think of Trump's tax plan? It's awfully vague, but it looks to me like it'll increase the deficit by a bundle. Has anyone told Trump that the USA isn't a casino, that it can't just declare bankruptcy and start over? :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 04/29/2017, 07:58 PM
Post by: Dicer on 04/29/2017, 07:58 PM
I'd love to hear a gunshot tonight...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/30/2017, 05:53 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 04/30/2017, 05:53 PM
http://gizmodo.com/a-closer-look-at-donald-trump-s-magic-coke-delivery-but-1794739701
Am I the only one who thought it was to summon a drug dealer and delivery Trump a line of Coke?
Am I the only one who thought it was to summon a drug dealer and delivery Trump a line of Coke?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: GohanX on 04/30/2017, 07:04 PM
Post by: GohanX on 04/30/2017, 07:04 PM
Honestly, that's probably the best thing he's done since he took office.
I'd make it bring grape soda or chocolate milk or something.
I'd make it bring grape soda or chocolate milk or something.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 05/01/2017, 04:40 PM
Post by: esteban on 05/01/2017, 04:40 PM
I want a button like that, and the butler that goes along with it, for my Diet Coke addiction.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 05/08/2017, 10:26 PM
Post by: OldRover on 05/08/2017, 10:26 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/11/2017, 05:09 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/11/2017, 05:09 PM
Everybody else having fun watching this trainwreck? Trainwreck. Have you heard that before? Because I haven't. I just came up with that the other day and I think it works out pretty well in this case.
Trainwreck.
Me. I invented that word. I need some Coke...I mean a Coke.
Trainwreck.
Me. I invented that word. I need some Coke...I mean a Coke.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 05/11/2017, 05:17 PM
Post by: Dicer on 05/11/2017, 05:17 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 05/11/2017, 05:09 PMEverybody else having fun watching this trainwreck? Trainwreck. Have you heard that before? Because I haven't. I just came up with that the other day and I think it works out pretty well in this case.I'd be laughing my ass off, if I lived in another country...
Trainwreck.
Me. I invented that word. I need some Coke...I mean a Coke.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/11/2017, 05:52 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/11/2017, 05:52 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 05/11/2017, 05:09 PMEverybody else having fun watching this trainwreck? Trainwreck. Have you heard that before? Because I haven't. I just came up with that the other day and I think it works out pretty well in this case.Ha! It's almost as if we've elected an incompetent narcissist to lead the free world.
Trainwreck.
Me. I invented that word. I need some Coke...I mean a Coke.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 05/11/2017, 08:30 PM
Post by: esteban on 05/11/2017, 08:30 PM
Quote from: guest on 05/11/2017, 05:52 PMYup.Quote from: KingDrool on 05/11/2017, 05:09 PMEverybody else having fun watching this trainwreck? Trainwreck. Have you heard that before? Because I haven't. I just came up with that the other day and I think it works out pretty well in this case.Ha! It's almost as if we've elected an incompetent narcissist to lead the free world.
Trainwreck.
Me. I invented that word. I need some Coke...I mean a Coke.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 05/17/2017, 12:10 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 05/17/2017, 12:10 PM
So...
Anyone else getting a little freaked out by what is currently happening?
Two things.
1) The Turkish president's security detail beating the ever loving crap out of protesters...in Washington DC. Trump has not called them out for it. He has not stopped his meeting with the Turkish president. He has not expelled them all out of the county. A leader and spokesman of the American people, he is not. This reflects poorly on the US. Imagine seeing this as some other random despot around the world. They are thinking they can pretty much come to the US, do whatever they like, and get away with it. Apparently the US president doesn't give two shits about his own people.
2) The Comey memo. Could this finally be the beginning of the end of Trump? What I'm seeing seems to be even the GOP is leaning towards cutting ties with Trump. Distancing themselves. Pushing for an impeachment, and then removal? Who knows.
Anyone else getting a little freaked out by what is currently happening?
Two things.
1) The Turkish president's security detail beating the ever loving crap out of protesters...in Washington DC. Trump has not called them out for it. He has not stopped his meeting with the Turkish president. He has not expelled them all out of the county. A leader and spokesman of the American people, he is not. This reflects poorly on the US. Imagine seeing this as some other random despot around the world. They are thinking they can pretty much come to the US, do whatever they like, and get away with it. Apparently the US president doesn't give two shits about his own people.
2) The Comey memo. Could this finally be the beginning of the end of Trump? What I'm seeing seems to be even the GOP is leaning towards cutting ties with Trump. Distancing themselves. Pushing for an impeachment, and then removal? Who knows.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/17/2017, 12:55 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/17/2017, 12:55 PM
Don't forget him giving classified info. to Russia.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 05/17/2017, 01:11 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 05/17/2017, 01:11 PM
The last week has been a pretty wild ride for Trump. I hate Mike Pence very much, but as terrible of a human being as I think that he is I still want that fake-tan wearing clown out of the Whitehouse.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/17/2017, 01:20 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/17/2017, 01:20 PM
Hey, spray tans are cool. Especially when you can see the white ring around the eyes. Very classy.
If this were any other president, I would predict that impeachment is on its way; or at least impeachment hearings. But this clown is somehow Teflon. And with all the bullshit we've seen in the past year, plus all the examples we have of "principled" Republicans willing to look the other way for a whiff of power (Paul fucking Ryan, I'm looking at you), I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets away with all this shit.
Now I wait for Emerald Rocker to respond with, "He didn't do anything wrong! It's the lamestream media witch hunt and the establishment trying to take him down. #MAGA!"
If this were any other president, I would predict that impeachment is on its way; or at least impeachment hearings. But this clown is somehow Teflon. And with all the bullshit we've seen in the past year, plus all the examples we have of "principled" Republicans willing to look the other way for a whiff of power (Paul fucking Ryan, I'm looking at you), I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets away with all this shit.
Now I wait for Emerald Rocker to respond with, "He didn't do anything wrong! It's the lamestream media witch hunt and the establishment trying to take him down. #MAGA!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/17/2017, 01:38 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/17/2017, 01:38 PM
Yep. He wasn't wrong when he said he could murder someone in the street and his supporters wouldn't care.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 05/17/2017, 01:56 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 05/17/2017, 01:56 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 05/17/2017, 01:20 PMNow I wait for Emerald Rocker to respond with, "He didn't do anything wrong! It's the lamestream media witch hunt and the establishment trying to take him down. #MAGA!"That's the part that really gets me.
How the FUCK do you try to explain away things that are clear to everyone?
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 05/17/2017, 03:32 PM
Post by: esteban on 05/17/2017, 03:32 PM
Quote from: mitsuman on 05/17/2017, 01:56 PMMy theory is that Emerald Rocker is trolling us.Quote from: KingDrool on 05/17/2017, 01:20 PMNow I wait for Emerald Rocker to respond with, "He didn't do anything wrong! It's the lamestream media witch hunt and the establishment trying to take him down. #MAGA!"That's the part that really gets me.
How the FUCK do you try to explain away things that are clear to everyone?
E_R seems to be too intelligent to really believe the bullshit, but he has no problem regurgitating garbage from pundits to antagonize us.
Also, Emerald Rocker still hasn't told me if he enjoyed my homage to Trump in Le TurboDoodle....oh well, I thought he would like it.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/17/2017, 03:51 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/17/2017, 03:51 PM
In an attempt to find some sort of understanding in a civilized manner, I had a conversation with a Trump Disciple on Twitter. Here's her response when I asked her if anything would convince her that this wasn't a "mainstream media" creation and he really was incompetent:
Quote"My eyes are wide open. I don't get news from MSM. They are as crooked as Hillary. It is amazing to me that anyone could watch, read, or listen to them. They are owned by foreign operatives not interested in this nation but in globalism. Globalism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Trump is a genius. He is in a sea of sharks in DC. He is NOT a globalist. Did you ever why so many are against him? The dems, republicans, the media, globalists, CIA, RINOs, etc., are against him because he will NOT give into globalism/NWO system. That (NWO/globalism) is what removes our sovereignty and makes America weak & vulnerable. GOD bless & strengthen Trump & help him to defeat that system! I hope you will awake & get on the right side of history. So many like you are seeing the truth about this. So many have become aware of what is really going on. Trump is on the right side...the side of this nation and it's people. #MAGA."So yeah, this is what we're dealing with. My simple response was, "Whoo Boy. Good luck."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 05/17/2017, 04:23 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 05/17/2017, 04:23 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 05/17/2017, 03:51 PMIn an attempt to find some sort of understanding in a civilized manner, I had a conversation with a Trump Disciple on Twitter. Here's her response when I asked her if anything would convince her that this wasn't a "mainstream media" creation and he really was incompetent:So basically, she completely danced around answering you, and gave some long drawn out copypasta that makes zero sense to a logical and rational thinking person. Nice.Quote"My eyes are wide open. I don't get news from MSM. They are as crooked as Hillary. It is amazing to me that anyone could watch, read, or listen to them. They are owned by foreign operatives not interested in this nation but in globalism. Globalism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Trump is a genius. He is in a sea of sharks in DC. He is NOT a globalist. Did you ever why so many are against him? The dems, republicans, the media, globalists, CIA, RINOs, etc., are against him because he will NOT give into globalism/NWO system. That (NWO/globalism) is what removes our sovereignty and makes America weak & vulnerable. GOD bless & strengthen Trump & help him to defeat that system! I hope you will awake & get on the right side of history. So many like you are seeing the truth about this. So many have become aware of what is really going on. Trump is on the right side...the side of this nation and it's people. #MAGA."So yeah, this is what we're dealing with. My simple response was, "Whoo Boy. Good luck."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/17/2017, 04:44 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/17/2017, 04:44 PM
My favorite was "Trump is a genius." I mean...I know there are some deluded people out there, but...genius?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 05/17/2017, 08:11 PM
Post by: OldRover on 05/17/2017, 08:11 PM
Can't say I disagree on the globalism bit. The very idea is incompatible with peace, as it means completely ignoring cultural genocide and other human rights violations committed by outside nations. That doesn't fly with me, nor should it fly with anyone with a sense of empathy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/18/2017, 12:55 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 05/18/2017, 12:55 AM
I'm going on a limb here, but I'm sure if Hilary had won the Republicans would be kicking and screaming to impeach her over the e-mail thing or some other craziness. Partisan politics suck. Enough said.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 05/18/2017, 01:00 AM
Post by: OldRover on 05/18/2017, 01:00 AM
We have examples of this right now. Take China, for example. "Oh, it's alright if you let children die in your factories and murder infants who aren't born the right sex, we have to support our Walmart society somehow." Would you really want to do trade with a country that's even worse, such as Congo? I wouldn't. Globalism is a pipe dream. It sounds good on paper, like most things... but when you add the human element, it goes to shit. Several countries in Europe right now are trying their damnedest to cover up the crime waves that have occurred due to cultures clashing during mass immigration. This is globalism in action. I'm not cool with people coming in from other cultures and going on killing and raping sprees. Maybe some are, but I'm not. "It has problems, but it will work in the end, trust me!" No. Fix your cultural atrocities first, *then* we can talk globalism. It would be great if it worked in practice. But for now, it's simply a terrible idea.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 05/18/2017, 08:26 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 05/18/2017, 08:26 AM
Quote from: OldRover on 05/18/2017, 01:00 AMWe have examples of this right now. Take China, for example. "Oh, it's alright if you let children die in your factories and murder infants who aren't born the right sex, we have to support our Walmart society somehow." Would you really want to do trade with a country that's even worse, such as Congo? I wouldn't. Globalism is a pipe dream. It sounds good on paper, like most things... but when you add the human element, it goes to shit. Several countries in Europe right now are trying their damnedest to cover up the crime waves that have occurred due to cultures clashing during mass immigration. This is globalism in action. I'm not cool with people coming in from other cultures and going on killing and raping sprees. Maybe some are, but I'm not. "It has problems, but it will work in the end, trust me!" No. Fix your cultural atrocities first, *then* we can talk globalism. It would be great if it worked in practice. But for now, it's simply a terrible idea.You also have other countries, such as China and Russia, which for some reason defend North Korea. A country which is full if starving people and has open militaristic intent. When you support something, you aren't much better than that thing, even if you don't partake.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: spenoza on 05/18/2017, 10:18 AM
Post by: spenoza on 05/18/2017, 10:18 AM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/18/2017, 01:00 AMGlobalism is a pipe dream. It sounds good on paper, like most things... but when you add the human element, it goes to shit. Several countries in Europe right now are trying their damnedest to cover up the crime waves that have occurred due to cultures clashing during mass immigration. This is globalism in action. I'm not cool with people coming in from other cultures and going on killing and raping sprees. Maybe some are, but I'm not. "It has problems, but it will work in the end, trust me!" No. Fix your cultural atrocities first, *then* we can talk globalism. It would be great if it worked in practice. But for now, it's simply a terrible idea.That is an... interesting interpretation of globalism. Here's the thing, modern technology means that national borders are far less meaningful these days. Communication is largely global. Markets are largely global, and they can't NOT be. Even if the US manufactured everything it needed, we can't get all the raw materials we need, so we have to deal with the outside world. Globalism is an attempt to make this necessary push and pull with the rest of the world less difficult. And it's also a tool to help guide world behavior. China has lots of problems, but it has fewer now than it did 20 years ago. Being pulled into the international economy as a major manufacturer has forced China to change. Working conditions there are better than they used to be. Social conditions are better than they used to be. Same with other countries as well. Interacting with a global market where many nations demand better means you have to start pulling your standards up, even if it takes a while. If we simply throw up our hands and cry "Nationalism!" it's really just sticking our head in the sand and declaring that dealing with the complexities of the rest of the world is too hard so we'll just give up. The best way for us to lose our power and authority in the world is for us to tell everyone else to go fuck off.
As for cover-ups in Europe to hide immigrant crimes, I'd need to see more actual evidence of that. Yes, cultural clashes can create issues, but that idea that immigrants are rapists and murderers is a largely false narrative. And nations that welcome immigrants can do an awful lot to minimize cultural friction. There are some parts of the US and Europe that have done a great job settling immigrants, because they took the responsibility and potential consequences seriously.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Groover on 05/18/2017, 01:46 PM
Post by: Groover on 05/18/2017, 01:46 PM
Thanks for that hashtag (#MAGA) that is a goldmine for stupidity in peoples blind devotion to Trump. People are so hard pressed to admit they backed the wrong horse.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 05/18/2017, 06:22 PM
Post by: OldRover on 05/18/2017, 06:22 PM
Quote from: guest on 05/18/2017, 10:18 AMAs for cover-ups in Europe to hide immigrant crimes, I'd need to see more actual evidence of that. Yes, cultural clashes can create issues, but that idea that immigrants are rapists and murderers is a largely false narrative.It's not a false narrative at all. It's not as easy to cover up as it would have been 50 years ago, but that doesn't stop them from trying. Anyone remember when Merkel actually told women to "keep arm's length away from immigrant men"? They had a hard time containing the incident in the modern age, so they resorted to blame-shifting, and of course people got pissed about this. False narrative my ass. No one is saying that it's everyone doing this shit, but it's too big a problem to continue ignoring. Germany and Sweden are especially vulnerable right now. There's a reason Sweden is now being called the rape capital of the world. It fucking sucks. It also doesn't matter if people are butthurt over the reality of the situation... hurt feefees aren't going to stop criminals from doing criminal acts.
China is making progress but it's mostly in the East. Go further West and shit is still fucked up. Keep trying, I say... and fuck Nike. Fuck them and their buddy Nestlé. Right in the Trumphole.
Btw, I'm not a nationalist. I'm just not a globalist either... not yet anyway. Not until some shit gets straightened out and people get their priorities fixed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/19/2017, 10:48 AM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/19/2017, 10:48 AM
http://youtu.be/BlD8Uzpbi08
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 05/19/2017, 01:54 PM
Post by: OldRover on 05/19/2017, 01:54 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Full of win. :D
Full of win. :D
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/19/2017, 04:56 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/19/2017, 04:56 PM
Original is still the best
https://youtu.be/RCAbBnWm4LM
https://youtu.be/RCAbBnWm4LM
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/19/2017, 04:59 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/19/2017, 04:59 PM
You've probably seen this but it's too great not to document here... Mark hamil reading trump tweets
https://youtu.be/_e58xo7fzpg
https://youtu.be/_e58xo7fzpg
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 05/19/2017, 08:57 PM
Post by: esteban on 05/19/2017, 08:57 PM
Quote from: guest on 05/19/2017, 04:56 PMOriginal is still the bestThat was utterly fantastic. Thank you.
http://youtu.be/RCAbBnWm4LM
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 05/20/2017, 01:18 PM
Post by: OldRover on 05/20/2017, 01:18 PM
http://youtu.be/bAAPQoQXpkc
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Winniez on 05/20/2017, 02:41 PM
Post by: Winniez on 05/20/2017, 02:41 PM
Kind of old bun fun nevertheless http://youtu.be/yP9Qt-bSz40
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 05/20/2017, 05:10 PM
Post by: esteban on 05/20/2017, 05:10 PM
Quote from: Winniez on 05/20/2017, 02:41 PMKind of old bun fun nevertheless http://youtu.be/yP9Qt-bSz40The good moose are called reindeer.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/25/2017, 03:38 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/25/2017, 03:38 PM
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/05/25/trumpshove.gif)
Let's hear emerald and zero defend this one. :lol:
Let's hear emerald and zero defend this one. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Tw3ek on 05/25/2017, 03:54 PM
Post by: Tw3ek on 05/25/2017, 03:54 PM
Of course he looks all proud of himself afterwards too....A child at the adults table.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 05/26/2017, 04:00 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 05/26/2017, 04:00 AM
Trump tweets today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Nulltard is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why his former wife left him for a woman – she made a good decision."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Nulltard is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why his former wife left him for a woman – she made a good decision."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 05/26/2017, 10:58 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 05/26/2017, 10:58 AM
Fucking lamestream liberal media elite cuck hack snowflake had it comin'!
USA! USA! USA!
USA! USA! USA!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 05/26/2017, 10:58 AM
Post by: mitsuman on 05/26/2017, 10:58 AM
Quote from: guest on 05/26/2017, 10:10 AMThanks clodbuster. Always good to hear from my fans. :lol:I've *heard* that most of the votes were in by time that happened (early voting). So, there's that. But yeah, that guy is a dick. He has said that since Noah built an ark at 600 years old, people should just work until they die, and forget about retirement. Except for the fact that when he retires he will have full health coverage, live nicely, and will probably never need to worry about where his next meal is going to come from.
On another note, loosely related to this Trump thread:
WHAT THE FUCK, MONTANA?!
Your Republican house candidate beats the shit out of a reporter for asking him about the AHCA, and even FOX says the guy was guilty as fuck and out of line, but it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter because the fuckface put out a statement saying the reporter was a liberal and had it coming?
Are you fucking kidding me?
What would it have taken for this asshole to lose? Would he have to skullfuck toddlers on national TV? Would it matter if those children belonged to liberals?
Yeah, it would matter. Fucking liberal toddlers... They had that skullfucking comin'.
'MURICA MOTHERFUCKERS!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/26/2017, 08:50 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 05/26/2017, 08:50 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 05/25/2017, 03:38 PM(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/05/25/trumpshove.gif)[emoji28] That's pretty damn bizzare.
Let's hear emerald and zero defend this one. [emoji38]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 05/26/2017, 11:44 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 05/26/2017, 11:44 PM
Quote from: guest on 05/25/2017, 03:38 PM(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/05/25/trumpshove.gif)Defend it from what? You haven't attacked it. Tell me why you think it's bad and I'll tell you whether or not I agree.
Let's hear emerald and zero defend this one. :lol:
Quote from: guestYou wrote two sentences. Two. The first was a statement. The second was a (bad) analogy. It was clear that the second sentence was intended to support the first. Stop pretending otherwise.Quote from: Emerald Rocker1. You used a hypothetical WWII analogy as the evidence to "prove" your point about Syria and Russia...An analogy is proof now? Seriously?
Smart people question the logic that is used to support conclusions. Life tip. Remember it.
Quote from: necromancerThe main argument is that Syria and Russia are linked; if we went to war with Syria today, there simply is no way to fight only them, not when Russian troops are embedded with Syrian forces.Thank you for finally providing your non-analogy rationale as to why we can't fight Syria without also fighting Russia (embedded troops). I will now refute it.
4/7/2017: There were Russian troops stationed at a Syrian airfield. We bombed the airfield, and only hit Syrian targets.
If we ever go to war with Syria*, Russia will know in advance. They might work with Syria and fight us. But they also might decide to evacuate the warzone, just like they already did when we bombed the airfield. There is a historically demonstrated path to fight Syria without also fighting Russia.
* We won't.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 05/27/2017, 05:15 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 05/27/2017, 05:15 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Cjameslv apologized to me but I will not accept his apology. I will be suing him for a lot of money."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Cjameslv apologized to me but I will not accept his apology. I will be suing him for a lot of money."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/30/2017, 12:43 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 05/30/2017, 12:43 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 05/26/2017, 11:44 PMDefend it from what? You haven't attacked it. Tell me why you think it's bad and I'll tell you whether or not I agree.It's obviously boorish behavior. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you.
No doubt you'll counter with some bullshit about how Markovic said he wasn't offended (because he has class and knows there's nothing to gain by bitching anyway), completely ignoring what you see with your own eyes.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 05/26/2017, 11:44 PMYou wrote two sentences. Two. The first was a statement. The second was a (bad) analogy. It was clear that the second sentence was intended to support the first. Stop pretending otherwise.Stop pretending that an analogy is proof, and stop pretending that the analogy is the only thing I posted on the subject. Neither is true.
Smart people question the logic that is used to support conclusions. Life tip. Remember it.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 05/26/2017, 11:44 PMThank you for finally providing your non-analogy rationale as to why we can't fight Syria without also fighting Russia (embedded troops). I will now refute it.Don't lie; my very first response to your complaint about my analogy also further explained my reasoning on why there's no separating them. I'm not the one that chose to ignore it for over a month, instead pissing and moaning about an analogy.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 05/26/2017, 11:44 PM4/7/2017: There were Russian troops stationed at a Syrian airfield. We bombed the airfield, and only hit Syrian targets.I can't see us actually going to war with them, but neither can I see Russia abandoning their ally if we did go to war. Putin can't afford to back down like that.
If we ever go to war with Syria, Russia will know in advance. They might work with Syria and fight us. But they also might decide to evacuate the warzone, just like they already did when we bombed the airfield. There is a historically demonstrated path to fight Syria without also fighting Russia.
And if we did go to war, there's no way to warn Russia of every mission and wait for them to evacuate. It's just not possible when many battles are unplanned encounters, rely on speed, etc., so the only way to fight just Syria were if Russia were no longer involved at all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NoSexGex on 05/30/2017, 02:23 PM
Post by: NoSexGex on 05/30/2017, 02:23 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 05/25/2017, 03:38 PM(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/05/25/trumpshove.gif)Ahhh! This is the video i've heard so much about. I'm in Canada so I don't actively participate in discussions like this. But once in awhile something like this happens, and i'm curious to hear the story.
Let's hear emerald and zero defend this one. :lol:
I volunteer at an old folks home, and this one resident kept talking about this over AND over again. Vividly describing to me how Donald Trump attending the latest summit pushed another NATO member so he was centre spotlight. The disgruntled elderly man really emphasized how disgusted everyone was around him, and how nobody took him seriously at the entire event.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 05/31/2017, 06:20 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 05/31/2017, 06:20 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"All Karl Marx does is talk."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"All Karl Marx does is talk."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 06/04/2017, 08:42 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 06/04/2017, 08:42 PM
Quote from: guest on 05/19/2017, 10:48 AMhttp://youtu.be/BlD8Uzpbi08That was pretty funny.
Quote from: guest on 05/25/2017, 03:38 PM(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/05/25/trumpshove.gif)Alpha male in action, asserting his presence. ;) It's the Trumpster, that's how he rolls.
Let's hear emerald and zero defend this one. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/05/2017, 09:06 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/05/2017, 09:06 AM
Yep, he's an asshole. No argument there.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 06/05/2017, 11:39 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 06/05/2017, 11:39 AM
You say "alpha", the rest of the world says "asshole".
Po-tay-to Po-tah-to.
Po-tay-to Po-tah-to.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/06/2017, 07:58 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/06/2017, 07:58 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Let's be honest folks, I could shit on the American flag tomorrow and 90% of my supporters would say it looks much better that way. SAD!"
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Let's be honest folks, I could shit on the American flag tomorrow and 90% of my supporters would say it looks much better that way. SAD!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 06/08/2017, 12:07 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 06/08/2017, 12:07 AM
Yet you got people whining about the Trump 10. Seriously?
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/06/07/531859819/the-trump-10-packing-on-the-pounds-in-an-age-of-stressful-politics
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/06/07/531859819/the-trump-10-packing-on-the-pounds-in-an-age-of-stressful-politics
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: roflmao on 06/08/2017, 12:30 AM
Post by: roflmao on 06/08/2017, 12:30 AM
:D That's funny stuff!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 06/08/2017, 08:15 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 06/08/2017, 08:15 AM
Quote from: guest on 06/08/2017, 12:46 AMNot so funny, imo. Every day we are bombarded with Trump's plans to dismantle the education system, erase lines between church and state, devastate social programs, make healthcare even more expensive, pave the way for big oil and company to destroy the environment, and all this to the obvious satisfaction of his Russian overlords.Building the wall out of solar panels actually seems like a good idea to me, finally a legitimate way to make Mexico pay for it... via the sale of clean energy.
I'm sure I left off a few of his achievements. Been trying to tune out of it.
Healthcare and tax plans are atrocious, but I will give credit where it is due.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/08/2017, 09:17 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/08/2017, 09:17 AM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 06/08/2017, 08:15 AMBuilding the wall out of solar panels actually seems like a good idea to me....I assure you it's not. There's nothing wrong with solar, but stringing panels along hundreds of miles (mostly out in the middle of nowhere) is fucking retarded, substantially increasing the cost of installation, maintenance, and transmission compared to field arrays built near where the power would be consumed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 06/08/2017, 03:36 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 06/08/2017, 03:36 PM
Yes, McCain sounded like a bumbling old fool. He definitely needs to retire.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/08/2017, 03:56 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/08/2017, 03:56 PM
Or take to Twitter. There's quite a few Republicans that just love tweets from bumbling old fools.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/13/2017, 03:18 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/13/2017, 03:18 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Necromancer should be fired like a dog by Aaron. PCEFX is failing and he wanted to have me on his forum. I said no - because he is irrelevant."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Necromancer should be fired like a dog by Aaron. PCEFX is failing and he wanted to have me on his forum. I said no - because he is irrelevant."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/13/2017, 09:38 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 06/13/2017, 09:38 AM
The Trump cabinet circle jerk was cringey, like how I assume Kim Jong-un meetings go.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 06/13/2017, 11:43 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 06/13/2017, 11:43 AM
Necro, I just want to say that it's truly an honor and a blessing to be able to post on these forums and advance your mod agenda.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 06/13/2017, 04:36 PM
Post by: esteban on 06/13/2017, 04:36 PM
Everyday.
Shitstorm gets shittier.
Thanks Trump.
Shitstorm gets shittier.
Thanks Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 06/14/2017, 09:46 AM
Post by: mitsuman on 06/14/2017, 09:46 AM
Quote from: esteban on 06/13/2017, 04:36 PMEveryday.Not to be confused with "Thanks Obama", which is said in jest, and ironically. This shit is serious.
Shitstorm gets shittier.
Thanks Trump.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 06/14/2017, 04:54 PM
Post by: EvilEvoIX on 06/14/2017, 04:54 PM
Wow.... Still tears.....
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/15/2017, 04:40 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/15/2017, 04:40 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
">> How did you keep your hair looking good over the decades?<< Wow, one of the few nice comments about my hair!"
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
">> How did you keep your hair looking good over the decades?<< Wow, one of the few nice comments about my hair!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/28/2017, 05:56 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/28/2017, 05:56 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Why does DarkKobold constantly seek out trivial nonsense? Sad!"
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Why does DarkKobold constantly seek out trivial nonsense? Sad!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 06/29/2017, 10:10 AM
Post by: mitsuman on 06/29/2017, 10:10 AM
Okay, let's say you support Trump because he "speaks his mind"; because he isn't like any other politician; because he is shaking things up.
How do you explain, or stand by him, when he makes tweets (http://theweek.com/speedreads/709089/trump-unleashes-sexist-insults-msnbcs-mika-brzezinski-morning-tweetstorm) like he did this morning? How do you excuse that?
And also when head of the White House social media tweeted what he did.
WTF? Are we in high school? This stuff is damaging the US. It's not always just about policies and laws. It's about our fucking reputation in the global setting.
I just don't get it.
How do you explain, or stand by him, when he makes tweets (http://theweek.com/speedreads/709089/trump-unleashes-sexist-insults-msnbcs-mika-brzezinski-morning-tweetstorm) like he did this morning? How do you excuse that?
And also when head of the White House social media tweeted what he did.
WTF? Are we in high school? This stuff is damaging the US. It's not always just about policies and laws. It's about our fucking reputation in the global setting.
I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/29/2017, 10:27 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/29/2017, 10:27 AM
Neither I do.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 06/29/2017, 10:37 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 06/29/2017, 10:37 AM
Quote from: mitsuman on 06/29/2017, 10:10 AMOkay, let's say you support Trump because he "speaks his mind"; because he isn't like any other politician; because he is shaking things up.Some people, full-grown adults, are like that still. I've seen women wear "you can grab me by the pussy" t-shirts to Trump rallies. These really are the deplorables. Clinton's comment might have been in bad taste, but it was the truth.
How do you explain, or stand by him, when he makes tweets (http://theweek.com/speedreads/709089/trump-unleashes-sexist-insults-msnbcs-mika-brzezinski-morning-tweetstorm) like he did this morning? How do you excuse that?
And also when head of the White House social media tweeted what he did.
WTF? Are we in high school? This stuff is damaging the US. It's not always just about policies and laws. It's about our fucking reputation in the global setting.
I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 06/29/2017, 11:00 AM
Post by: esteban on 06/29/2017, 11:00 AM
Trump = troll
Same goes for his supporters.
Actually, I just realized that my comment above was (1) way too genial, (2) giving far too much credit to Trump and his supporters. This led me to (3) ...big sigh...
Same goes for his supporters.
Actually, I just realized that my comment above was (1) way too genial, (2) giving far too much credit to Trump and his supporters. This led me to (3) ...big sigh...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 06/29/2017, 01:37 PM
Post by: esteban on 06/29/2017, 01:37 PM
Sigh
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 06/29/2017, 01:47 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 06/29/2017, 01:47 PM
And I wonder what Mike Huckabee, supposed "Man of God", thinks about his daughter rolling out the "fight fire with fire" defense. What would Jesus do? More like, "hit 'em back harder!"
But nothing surprises me anymore. We're living in the dumbest timeline, where ignorance and bullying equals strength.
Nice job, dumb shits.
But nothing surprises me anymore. We're living in the dumbest timeline, where ignorance and bullying equals strength.
Nice job, dumb shits.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/30/2017, 02:06 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 06/30/2017, 02:06 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"SignOfZeta is a totally overrated clown who speaks without knowing the facts."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"SignOfZeta is a totally overrated clown who speaks without knowing the facts."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 06/30/2017, 02:04 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 06/30/2017, 02:04 PM
The story about Trump ranting about these people at a meeting over health care legislation is very disturbing...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 06/30/2017, 02:25 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 06/30/2017, 02:25 PM
His buddy owns it, so The Enquirer is now pretty much a propaganda rag for Trump. It's crazy. Every time I'm in a grocery store, instead of "Alien Baby Born in Kentucky!", I see headlines like these (though they're equally outlandish):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6vhdb0WYAE6R9q.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6vhdb0WYAE6R9q.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 06/30/2017, 02:30 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 06/30/2017, 02:30 PM
Quote from: guest on 06/30/2017, 02:10 PMAs disturbing as him brandishing his ties to The Enquirer to issue threats and extort an apology out of them? And then pretend that team Joe initiated the contact with him to beg him to not follow through on the threat that he claims he didn't make?Yeah - because it wasn't just his closest advisors around, it was a group of about 20 lawmakers and he was wasting their time losing his shit about a fucking tv show...
Lol... Great distraction from the collusion evidence that is starting to surface, the healthcare fuckery, etc...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 06/30/2017, 02:45 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 06/30/2017, 02:45 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 06/30/2017, 02:10 PMAs disturbing as him brandishing his ties to The Enquirer to issue threats and extort an apology out of them? And then pretend that team Joe initiated the contact with him to beg him to not follow through on the threat that he claims he didn't make?What collusion evidence is surfacing?
Lol... Great distraction from the collusion evidence that is starting to surface, the healthcare fuckery, etc...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: PukeSter on 06/30/2017, 07:27 PM
Post by: PukeSter on 06/30/2017, 07:27 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 06/30/2017, 02:25 PMHis buddy owns it, so The Enquirer is now pretty much a propaganda rag for Trump. It's crazy. Every time I'm in a grocery store, instead of "Alien Baby Born in Kentucky!", I see headlines like these (though they're equally outlandish):It's been like that throughout the whole election.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6vhdb0WYAE6R9q.jpg)
One of Trump's possible scandals was covered up by the Enquirer
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 07/01/2017, 10:38 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 07/01/2017, 10:38 AM
Just went on a little vacation to Washington D.C. and seeing the monuments and further educating myself of America's triumphs made me feel pretty patriotic going into this holiday. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, I am pretty sure our system overall works pretty well and should persevere... even if you need to wait for the next guy (girl?) or two until it swings back your way.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 07/01/2017, 03:01 PM
Post by: esteban on 07/01/2017, 03:01 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/01/2017, 10:38 AMJust went on a little vacation to Washington D.C. and seeing the monuments and further educating myself of America's triumphs made me feel pretty patriotic going into this holiday. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, I am pretty sure our system overall works pretty well and should persevere... even if you need to wait for the next guy (girl?) or two until it swings back your way.By "your way" you are referring to the way of justice, civility, and humanity.
So....yes.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 07/19/2017, 08:58 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 07/19/2017, 08:58 PM
Been awfully quiet in here lately. Y'all must be tired of all this winning.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 07/20/2017, 09:35 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 07/20/2017, 09:35 AM
Pretty much, nully. A recent poll had more than half of republicans saying they don't believe the Trump Jr. meeting even took place, though Trump Jr., Manafort, and Kushner all say it did.
It's one thing to decide the meeting wasn't that big of a deal (not rising to the level of collusion anyway), but you're a moron if you deny it happened at all just because you can't believe anything negative. Get Trump's cock out of your mouth, for fuck's sake! Nobody's perfect. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton are the two most popular recent presidents, and you don't hear people arguing that Iran-Contra or Lewinsky never existed.
It's one thing to decide the meeting wasn't that big of a deal (not rising to the level of collusion anyway), but you're a moron if you deny it happened at all just because you can't believe anything negative. Get Trump's cock out of your mouth, for fuck's sake! Nobody's perfect. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton are the two most popular recent presidents, and you don't hear people arguing that Iran-Contra or Lewinsky never existed.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 07/20/2017, 09:45 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 07/20/2017, 09:45 AM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 07/20/2017, 09:35 AMPretty much, nully. A recent poll had more than half of republicans saying they don't believe the Trump Jr. meeting even took place, though Trump Jr., Manafort, and Kushner all say it did.Reminds me of this: https://www.unc.edu/~fbaum/teaching/articles/JoP-2007-Gaines.pdf
It's one thing to decide the meeting wasn't that big of a deal (not rising to the level of collusion anyway), but you're a moron if you deny it happened at all just because you can't believe anything negative. Get Trump's cock out of your mouth, for fuck's sake! Nobody's perfect. Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton are the two most popular recent presidents, and you don't hear people arguing that Iran-Contra or Lewinsky ever existed.
QuoteUsing panel data collected over the duration of the Iraq war, we show that Democrats and Republicans updated their factual beliefs as conditions changed, but interpreted the same factual beliefs quite differently. Democrats consistently interpreted a given level of troop casualties as higher than Republicans did. Whereas nearly all Democrats interpreted the failure to find WMD in Iraq as evidence that they never existed, many Republicans inferred that Iraq had moved, destroyed, or hidden the weapons. Because most of the emerging evidence changed in a direction that reinforced existing opinions for Democrats and challenged them for Republicans, Democrats used interpretations to facilitate, and Republicans to resist, opinion updating.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 07/20/2017, 12:29 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 07/20/2017, 12:29 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/19/2017, 09:46 PMIt is exhausting keeping up with reading about it all...It's going to be a long 3.5 more years. ](*,)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 07/20/2017, 04:48 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 07/20/2017, 04:48 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/20/2017, 09:45 AMReminds me of this: https://www.unc.edu/~fbaum/teaching/articles/JoP-2007-Gaines.pdfBut at least they're just interpreting the data differently.
If they were Trump 'tards, they'd deny that we were fighting a war in Iraq at all.
Today's lulz are Trump claiming that 21 year olds get health insurance for only $12 a year. Maybe a few pay that little after subsidies or because of generous employer paid plans, but the average rate is exponentially higher.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 07/26/2017, 03:33 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 07/26/2017, 03:33 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"tbone3969 lost much of his money on that run — that's why he carries his own bags now."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"tbone3969 lost much of his money on that run — that's why he carries his own bags now."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Brachabre on 07/28/2017, 10:17 PM
Post by: Brachabre on 07/28/2017, 10:17 PM
Gotta obey!
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-trump-billboard-idUSKBN1AD2QO (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-trump-billboard-idUSKBN1AD2QO)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-trump-billboard-idUSKBN1AD2QO (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-trump-billboard-idUSKBN1AD2QO)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 07/29/2017, 06:54 AM
Post by: esteban on 07/29/2017, 06:54 AM
Quote from: Brachabre on 07/28/2017, 10:17 PMGotta obey!The story behind that billboard was interesting.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-trump-billboard-idUSKBN1AD2QO (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-trump-billboard-idUSKBN1AD2QO)
Needless to say, I love the concept (so simple, so perfect).
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 07/30/2017, 04:45 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 07/30/2017, 04:45 PM
Trump Presidency in 30 seconds:
http://youtu.be/PSKQ3ZNQ_O8
http://youtu.be/PSKQ3ZNQ_O8
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 07/30/2017, 04:57 PM
Post by: Dicer on 07/30/2017, 04:57 PM
Welp, we are gearing up for WWIII enjoy the time ya got left...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 07/30/2017, 09:46 PM
Post by: OldRover on 07/30/2017, 09:46 PM
Society has said that about every president since WWII... and yet nothing. I seriously doubt Trumplefuck will bring about WWIII.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 07/31/2017, 03:43 PM
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 07/31/2017, 03:43 PM
TRUMP LOVES CUMMMMMMMMMMM 2017
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: turboswimbz on 07/31/2017, 06:27 PM
Post by: turboswimbz on 07/31/2017, 06:27 PM
Donald Trump is Donald Duck confirmed
NSFW
http://youtu.be/cewQufCx2Is
NSFW
http://youtu.be/cewQufCx2Is
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 08/01/2017, 08:14 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 08/01/2017, 08:14 AM
Quote from: guest on 07/31/2017, 03:43 PMTRUMP LOVES CUMMMMMMMMMMM 2017For some reason I now respect him more.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/09/2017, 10:29 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/09/2017, 10:29 AM
Good news, guys! (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895252459152711680)
USA! USA! USA!
...the absolutely staggering amount of bullshit...
QuoteMy first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before....In just six months, Trump has completely modernized our nuclear arsenal! Nothing to fear!
USA! USA! USA!
...the absolutely staggering amount of bullshit...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/09/2017, 12:02 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/09/2017, 12:02 PM
Yeah, it's a complete fabrication. The closest he can come is a memorandum for 'rebuilding the military', which included a review of the nuclear weapon program, but that was issued after at least a dozen other executive orders, memorandums, and proclamations; even if it was the first, it's just a review and doesn't improve a single procedure or piece of equipment.
He's just trying to take credit for yet another thing started by Obama: a barely started $1 trillion dollar nuclear weapon program revamp that'll take 30 years to complete.
He's just trying to take credit for yet another thing started by Obama: a barely started $1 trillion dollar nuclear weapon program revamp that'll take 30 years to complete.
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 08/14/2017, 09:35 AM
Post by: esteban on 08/14/2017, 09:35 AM
"We are all drowning in Trump's Sea of Love..." —Fauna & Flora, Earth, Milky Way
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/15/2017, 10:08 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/15/2017, 10:08 AM
Alright, I wanna hear from some supporters. Where are y'all at? How're you feeling these days?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 08/15/2017, 06:56 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 08/15/2017, 06:56 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 08/15/2017, 10:08 AMAlright, I wanna hear from some supporters. Where are y'all at? How're you feeling these days?(https://media.giphy.com/media/n1RJwTK8oMD5K/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 12:06 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 12:06 AM
Hey guys, I just got back from a long road trip. Anything new going on around here?
I listened to Trump's press conference on the radio while driving back, it really fired me up. That's the kind of President I want -- a real genuine *person* who tells us what we need to hear, not a phony politician who tells us what we want to hear.
It's obvious that there really is a lot of hate in the country on many sides, and I hope we all (including me) have the wisdom to heed his fatherly lecture and start loving -- or at least respecting -- each other.
I listened to Trump's press conference on the radio while driving back, it really fired me up. That's the kind of President I want -- a real genuine *person* who tells us what we need to hear, not a phony politician who tells us what we want to hear.
It's obvious that there really is a lot of hate in the country on many sides, and I hope we all (including me) have the wisdom to heed his fatherly lecture and start loving -- or at least respecting -- each other.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 08/18/2017, 12:35 AM
Post by: Gredler on 08/18/2017, 12:35 AM
Nazis
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/18/2017, 12:58 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/18/2017, 12:58 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 12:06 AMHey guys, I just got back from a long road trip. Anything new going on around here?That, my friend, is bait.
I listened to Trump's press conference on the radio while driving back, it really fired me up. That's the kind of President I want -- a real genuine *person* who tells us what we need to hear, not a phony politician who tells us what we want to hear.
It's obvious that there really is a lot of hate in the country on many sides, and I hope we all (including me) have the wisdom to heed his fatherly lecture and start loving -- or at least respecting -- each other.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/18/2017, 09:21 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/18/2017, 09:21 AM
Masturbate? Yep.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/18/2017, 05:45 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/18/2017, 05:45 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 12:06 AMHey guys, I just got back from a long road trip. Anything new going on around here?On many sides.. Many sides, let me tell you. Sad!
I listened to Trump's press conference on the radio while driving back, it really fired me up. That's the kind of President I want -- a real genuine *person* who tells us what we need to hear, not a phony politician who tells us what we want to hear.
It's obvious that there really is a lot of hate in the country on many sides, and I hope we all (including me) have the wisdom to heed his fatherly lecture and start loving -- or at least respecting -- each other.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 08/18/2017, 05:51 PM
Post by: Gredler on 08/18/2017, 05:51 PM
Bannon out, and nazis.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: DildoKKKobold on 08/18/2017, 07:40 PM
Post by: DildoKKKobold on 08/18/2017, 07:40 PM
Quote from: Gredler on 08/18/2017, 05:51 PMBannon out, and nazis.I did nazi that coming.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 07:47 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 07:47 PM
Does it count as "bait" if I mean it? Y'all seriously don't think there's hate on many sides?
* neo-Nazis
* other assorted white supremacists
* Antifa
* other assorted violent fascists
* cop-killers
* cop-killer apologists
* state senators who openly wish death on others
* nuts who wish death on politicians (or worse, actually try to kill them)
* that congressman who body-slammed a reporter
We aren't looking at isolated incidents any more. We're in the midst of a "cold" civil war. And real people, very fine innocent people, are getting hurt or killed by political violence. Lady killed in Charlottesville. Congressman shot. Five cops killed at a march in Dallas. All this hate, truly from many sides. And what do we do when Trump points it out? We lose our minds.
Donald Trump steps into a press conference and -- off the cuff -- explicitly condemns political violence as "murder", denounces white supremacists, calls out the multi-sided hate, points out that good people should be able to peacefully protest and counter-protest for causes they believe in, and asks everyone to stop hating fellow Americans. So of course all the cool kids say that he encourages violence, say that he supports white supremacy, deny that hate exists on many sides (or play the "but they're worse!" game), deny the presence of good people at protests, and call Trump a harbinger of hate.
Count me on the anti-Nazi, anti-violence side with Trump. When I say that his press conference fired me up, I'm not kidding.
* neo-Nazis
* other assorted white supremacists
* Antifa
* other assorted violent fascists
* cop-killers
* cop-killer apologists
* state senators who openly wish death on others
* nuts who wish death on politicians (or worse, actually try to kill them)
* that congressman who body-slammed a reporter
We aren't looking at isolated incidents any more. We're in the midst of a "cold" civil war. And real people, very fine innocent people, are getting hurt or killed by political violence. Lady killed in Charlottesville. Congressman shot. Five cops killed at a march in Dallas. All this hate, truly from many sides. And what do we do when Trump points it out? We lose our minds.
Donald Trump steps into a press conference and -- off the cuff -- explicitly condemns political violence as "murder", denounces white supremacists, calls out the multi-sided hate, points out that good people should be able to peacefully protest and counter-protest for causes they believe in, and asks everyone to stop hating fellow Americans. So of course all the cool kids say that he encourages violence, say that he supports white supremacy, deny that hate exists on many sides (or play the "but they're worse!" game), deny the presence of good people at protests, and call Trump a harbinger of hate.
Count me on the anti-Nazi, anti-violence side with Trump. When I say that his press conference fired me up, I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/18/2017, 08:31 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/18/2017, 08:31 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 07:47 PMDoes it count as "bait" if I mean it? Y'all seriously don't think there's hate on many sides?I agree... And I found his press conference not only refreshing, but funny as hell.
* neo-Nazis
* other assorted white supremacists
* Antifa
* other assorted violent fascists
* cop-killers
* cop-killer apologists
* state senators who openly wish death on others
* nuts who wish death on politicians (or worse, actually try to kill them)
* that congressman who body-slammed a reporter
We aren't looking at isolated incidents any more. We're in the midst of a "cold" civil war. And real people, very fine innocent people, are getting hurt or killed by political violence. Lady killed in Charlottesville. Congressman shot. Five cops killed at a march in Dallas. All this hate, truly from many sides. And what do we do when Trump points it out? We lose our minds.
Donald Trump steps into a press conference and -- off the cuff -- explicitly condemns political violence as "murder", denounces white supremacists, calls out the multi-sided hate, points out that good people should be able to peacefully protest and counter-protest for causes they believe in, and asks everyone to stop hating fellow Americans. So of course all the cool kids say that he encourages violence, say that he supports white supremacy, deny that hate exists on many sides (or play the "but they're worse!" game), deny the presence of good people at protests, and call Trump a harbinger of hate.
Count me on the anti-Nazi, anti-violence side with Trump. When I say that his press conference fired me up, I'm not kidding.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 08/18/2017, 10:28 PM
Post by: Dicer on 08/18/2017, 10:28 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/18/2017, 07:47 PMDoes it count as "bait" if I mean it? Y'all seriously don't think there's hate on many sides?I'm a dead set centrist and it's gets me plenty of shit but IDGAF, both sides do dumb shit, and not calling all of it out is more damaging then giving in to one "good" side.
* neo-Nazis
* other assorted white supremacists
* Antifa
* other assorted violent fascists
* cop-killers
* cop-killer apologists
* state senators who openly wish death on others
* nuts who wish death on politicians (or worse, actually try to kill them)
* that congressman who body-slammed a reporter
We aren't looking at isolated incidents any more. We're in the midst of a "cold" civil war. And real people, very fine innocent people, are getting hurt or killed by political violence. Lady killed in Charlottesville. Congressman shot. Five cops killed at a march in Dallas. All this hate, truly from many sides. And what do we do when Trump points it out? We lose our minds.
Donald Trump steps into a press conference and -- off the cuff -- explicitly condemns political violence as "murder", denounces white supremacists, calls out the multi-sided hate, points out that good people should be able to peacefully protest and counter-protest for causes they believe in, and asks everyone to stop hating fellow Americans. So of course all the cool kids say that he encourages violence, say that he supports white supremacy, deny that hate exists on many sides (or play the "but they're worse!" game), deny the presence of good people at protests, and call Trump a harbinger of hate.
Count me on the anti-Nazi, anti-violence side with Trump. When I say that his press conference fired me up, I'm not kidding.
Fuck that noise.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 08/19/2017, 11:58 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 08/19/2017, 11:58 AM
Nazis are scum. KKK members are scum. There are no equivalents on the left to these guys, that is to be sure.
But with that said, if on a scale from 1 to 10, these guys are 1... I would have to put the far left free speech blockers (ie. the atmosphere at Berkeley) as a 3 out of 10. We also must not forget that in the early days of Nazi Germany, those guys were probably 3 out of 10 too.
Extremist on both sides need to be called what they are, extremist. They also should be allowed to say what they want, which is the beauty of the United States, but we should make sure enough centrist voices make sure neither side goes too far in absorbing the middle.
BLM are not radicals in the same way either of the other mentioned groups are. They have for the most part, outside of maybe Ferguson, protested legitimate issues peacefully. Lumping BLM in with the true extremist on both sides makes little sense, they don't belong there.
But with that said, if on a scale from 1 to 10, these guys are 1... I would have to put the far left free speech blockers (ie. the atmosphere at Berkeley) as a 3 out of 10. We also must not forget that in the early days of Nazi Germany, those guys were probably 3 out of 10 too.
Extremist on both sides need to be called what they are, extremist. They also should be allowed to say what they want, which is the beauty of the United States, but we should make sure enough centrist voices make sure neither side goes too far in absorbing the middle.
BLM are not radicals in the same way either of the other mentioned groups are. They have for the most part, outside of maybe Ferguson, protested legitimate issues peacefully. Lumping BLM in with the true extremist on both sides makes little sense, they don't belong there.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/19/2017, 12:37 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/19/2017, 12:37 PM
Quote from: TheClash603 on 08/19/2017, 11:58 AMBLM are not radicals in the same way either of the other mentioned groups are. They have for the most part, outside of maybe Ferguson, protested legitimate issues peacefully. Lumping BLM in with the true extremist on both sides makes little sense, they don't belong there.I do not agree with this point. When you have hundreds of not a couple thousand people marching for BLM chanting we want dead Cops, and voila, Cop assinations start occurring around the US; I'd say they may be more extreme than Antifa.
If we as a country are saying this type of speech is not acceptable, it needs to apply to every and any group that violates, no questions asked, no excuses given.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/19/2017, 12:56 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/19/2017, 12:56 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 08/19/2017, 12:46 PMIf a BLM rally ever had that chant, it was not the message of the greater movement. BLM should be BLMT (black lives matter, too)... they aren't about killing cops, they were born out of wanting to not be killed by cops. I know for fact the right wing media (now state media) has portrayed them as cop-killing advocates. My parents keep their TV glued to Fox and every time I am at their house it is like an alternate reality exists.Now you sound like Trump.... There were many peaceful people there solely to protest the statue, you can't lump them into the Supremacists and KKK.
One could not argue that hate/murder-advocation is not the central tenet of Nazis or the KK. There is a fundamental difference.
A free society paradoxically can't tolerate intolerance, lest they be dominated by the intolerant. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech which I believe needs to be understood. One is healthy and one has no place in modern society. I don't believe any on the left advocate the suppression of the former.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/19/2017, 03:29 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/19/2017, 03:29 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/19/2017, 12:56 PMAh, yes, statues honoring those who advocated or fought for slavery as enemies and traitors of the US. Good folks.Quote from: Nulltard on 08/19/2017, 12:46 PMIf a BLM rally ever had that chant, it was not the message of the greater movement. BLM should be BLMT (black lives matter, too)... they aren't about killing cops, they were born out of wanting to not be killed by cops. I know for fact the right wing media (now state media) has portrayed them as cop-killing advocates. My parents keep their TV glued to Fox and every time I am at their house it is like an alternate reality exists.Now you sound like Trump.... There were many peaceful people there solely to protest the statue, you can't lump them into the Supremacists and KKK.
One could not argue that hate/murder-advocation is not the central tenet of Nazis or the KK. There is a fundamental difference.
A free society paradoxically can't tolerate intolerance, lest they be dominated by the intolerant. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech which I believe needs to be understood. One is healthy and one has no place in modern society. I don't believe any on the left advocate the suppression of the former.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/20/2017, 02:35 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/20/2017, 02:35 AM
Nulltard, while I disagree with several of your sentences, I agree with your sentiments more than you realize. Neo-Nazis are the worst.
Listen to Trump's press conference from Tuesday. They specifically asked whether he was putting neo-Nazis and counter-protesters on the same moral plane, and he replied that he wasn't putting anyone on moral planes. He didn't want to go there, because when you're trying to stop hate and violence, assigning percentages of blame is a loser's game. All he would say is that the neo-Nazi driving the car is a "murderer", white supremacists are "bad", and some of the people on the other side were "violent". (And all the normal people who aren't supremacists or extremists and just wanted to protest/counter-protest are "very fine".) Everyone agrees that neo-Nazis are repugnant. You, me, Trump, we all agree. He even used that word.
So let's just put that stake in the ground -- when it comes to ideology, no one is worse than the neo-Nazis. I mean, they worship HITLER. Terrible people.
If we were looking at a single event, it would have been a mistake for him to criticize the violent extreme leftists, even though they were at Charlottesville. But we're not looking at a single event. We're looking at Dallas, where 5 cops were killed by extreme leftists after a BLM march. That's horrific. We're looking at Berkeley, where Antifa and other extreme leftists set fires and threatened attendees (unarmed college students) to prevent conservatives (NOT supremacists) from speaking. We're looking at that time an extreme leftist tried to gun down Republican congressmen at a baseball game. People like to say that "hate has one side", but hate is coming from many sides.
We know all about the neo-Nazis and the KKK. But there is also a pattern of leftist extremism that is emerging. That's a cause for alarm. When Trump points out the hate from many sides, he is shining a light on it. We don't want to see it, but we need to see it.
I will denounce white supremacy. I will shout it from the rooftops -- I need to inspect my roof anyway, I'll shout it tomorrow while I'm up there if that helps. But I'll also denounce political violence. Trump is right to condemn white supremacy and he's right to condemn the violence from all sides. I believe that he is sincere, but even if he isn't, it's still the right thing for him to say.
That's why I'm on his side, which actually, for this one specific issue, is also your side.
Listen to Trump's press conference from Tuesday. They specifically asked whether he was putting neo-Nazis and counter-protesters on the same moral plane, and he replied that he wasn't putting anyone on moral planes. He didn't want to go there, because when you're trying to stop hate and violence, assigning percentages of blame is a loser's game. All he would say is that the neo-Nazi driving the car is a "murderer", white supremacists are "bad", and some of the people on the other side were "violent". (And all the normal people who aren't supremacists or extremists and just wanted to protest/counter-protest are "very fine".) Everyone agrees that neo-Nazis are repugnant. You, me, Trump, we all agree. He even used that word.
So let's just put that stake in the ground -- when it comes to ideology, no one is worse than the neo-Nazis. I mean, they worship HITLER. Terrible people.
If we were looking at a single event, it would have been a mistake for him to criticize the violent extreme leftists, even though they were at Charlottesville. But we're not looking at a single event. We're looking at Dallas, where 5 cops were killed by extreme leftists after a BLM march. That's horrific. We're looking at Berkeley, where Antifa and other extreme leftists set fires and threatened attendees (unarmed college students) to prevent conservatives (NOT supremacists) from speaking. We're looking at that time an extreme leftist tried to gun down Republican congressmen at a baseball game. People like to say that "hate has one side", but hate is coming from many sides.
We know all about the neo-Nazis and the KKK. But there is also a pattern of leftist extremism that is emerging. That's a cause for alarm. When Trump points out the hate from many sides, he is shining a light on it. We don't want to see it, but we need to see it.
I will denounce white supremacy. I will shout it from the rooftops -- I need to inspect my roof anyway, I'll shout it tomorrow while I'm up there if that helps. But I'll also denounce political violence. Trump is right to condemn white supremacy and he's right to condemn the violence from all sides. I believe that he is sincere, but even if he isn't, it's still the right thing for him to say.
That's why I'm on his side, which actually, for this one specific issue, is also your side.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 08/20/2017, 04:07 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 08/20/2017, 04:07 AM
Can't disagree with Nulltard.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/21/2017, 05:08 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/21/2017, 05:08 PM
1. Only an asshole would use a mourning mother's comments to pat himself on the back.
2. A smarter man wouldn't have waited a couple days* to say nazis suck and the driver is a murderer/terrorist. He's never "waited to get the facts" on suspected islamic terrorist shit, so why's this different? I'll tell you why: because white supremacists attend rallies and are vocal.
* - It wasn't "off the cuff". It was a carefully crafted speech read from a teleprompter.
3. If you're at a protest where a large number of the people are wearing Nazi regalia, giving Nazi salutes, and yelling 'blood and soil' and 'Jews will not replace us' and you aren't disgusted and leave, you deserve to be lumped in with the rest of the trash.
4. The rally wasn't primarily about statues; even the organizer says it was about 'white advocacy'. The only reason the statues are even in the conversation is for the Nazis to give themselves legitimacy and prove that they're not all bad, and Trump's falling all over himself to lend a hand.
5. Trump is undeniably at least a little bit racist. Nobody without a "racist bone in their bodies" would allow their company to deny housing based on race for years, say a judge is unfair because he's mexican, say a muslim woman isn't allowed to talk, spend years on Obama birther bullshit, etc.
6. Trump as a unifier will never happen. Only Trump apologists like E.R. and Z.G. can take you seriously when you're telling your followers to beat the shit out of protesters in one breath and asking 'can't we all just get along' in the next.
But anyways, are y'all sick of winning yet? My favorite of today is Trump staring at the eclipse without glasses. Now I'm sure he didn't stare long enough to do permanent damage, but would it kill him to act like a role model and do the right thing on something even this small? :lol:
2. A smarter man wouldn't have waited a couple days* to say nazis suck and the driver is a murderer/terrorist. He's never "waited to get the facts" on suspected islamic terrorist shit, so why's this different? I'll tell you why: because white supremacists attend rallies and are vocal.
* - It wasn't "off the cuff". It was a carefully crafted speech read from a teleprompter.
3. If you're at a protest where a large number of the people are wearing Nazi regalia, giving Nazi salutes, and yelling 'blood and soil' and 'Jews will not replace us' and you aren't disgusted and leave, you deserve to be lumped in with the rest of the trash.
4. The rally wasn't primarily about statues; even the organizer says it was about 'white advocacy'. The only reason the statues are even in the conversation is for the Nazis to give themselves legitimacy and prove that they're not all bad, and Trump's falling all over himself to lend a hand.
5. Trump is undeniably at least a little bit racist. Nobody without a "racist bone in their bodies" would allow their company to deny housing based on race for years, say a judge is unfair because he's mexican, say a muslim woman isn't allowed to talk, spend years on Obama birther bullshit, etc.
6. Trump as a unifier will never happen. Only Trump apologists like E.R. and Z.G. can take you seriously when you're telling your followers to beat the shit out of protesters in one breath and asking 'can't we all just get along' in the next.
But anyways, are y'all sick of winning yet? My favorite of today is Trump staring at the eclipse without glasses. Now I'm sure he didn't stare long enough to do permanent damage, but would it kill him to act like a role model and do the right thing on something even this small? :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 09:00 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 09:00 PM
1. Only an asshole would invite a dead criminals mother to the White House to further racial divide....clearly showing which side he stood for.
2. A smarter person would never stood in front of the American citizens and told illegals to go ahead vote, and manipulate our sacred voting process, with no repercussions.
3. If you are in a protest wearing masks and wielding anything you can to use as a weapon, to stop someone from speaking an opposing view, or calling to kill cops, you deserve to get lumped in with the trash.
4. The rallies and consequential removal and destruction of them have become about the left not being satisfied with all living people being racist that don't follow left agenda, now decade old dead people need to be called racist too. The left, never running out of ways to be bottom feeders.
5. Democrats and the left are at least a little bit racist. Nobody or group without a "racist bone in their bodies" would use and promote race for so many agendas. Denying people for years to speak openly on issues but pulling the you're racists to card to shut them up because they have no backbone.
6. Trump has been the only one calling for unity. The democrats and left are running their resist campaign. Once again showing they only care about themselves and show no respect for fellow Americans even in our voting process.
Trump refers to me as an American. the loser called me deplorable. I know where your group-think will lump me.
First it was 2 scoops of ice cream and now sunglasses!! The left and democrats sure should be gloating!!
2. A smarter person would never stood in front of the American citizens and told illegals to go ahead vote, and manipulate our sacred voting process, with no repercussions.
3. If you are in a protest wearing masks and wielding anything you can to use as a weapon, to stop someone from speaking an opposing view, or calling to kill cops, you deserve to get lumped in with the trash.
4. The rallies and consequential removal and destruction of them have become about the left not being satisfied with all living people being racist that don't follow left agenda, now decade old dead people need to be called racist too. The left, never running out of ways to be bottom feeders.
5. Democrats and the left are at least a little bit racist. Nobody or group without a "racist bone in their bodies" would use and promote race for so many agendas. Denying people for years to speak openly on issues but pulling the you're racists to card to shut them up because they have no backbone.
6. Trump has been the only one calling for unity. The democrats and left are running their resist campaign. Once again showing they only care about themselves and show no respect for fellow Americans even in our voting process.
Trump refers to me as an American. the loser called me deplorable. I know where your group-think will lump me.
First it was 2 scoops of ice cream and now sunglasses!! The left and democrats sure should be gloating!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/21/2017, 09:14 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/21/2017, 09:14 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 09:00 PM1. Only an asshole would invite a dead criminals mother to the White House to further racial divide....clearly showing which side he stood for.\m/[emoji48]
2. A smarter person would never stood in front of the American citizens and told illegals to go ahead vote, and manipulate our sacred voting process, with no repercussions.
3. If you are in a protest wearing masks and wielding anything you can to use as a weapon, to stop someone from speaking an opposing view, or calling to kill cops, you deserve to get lumped in with the trash.
4. The rallies and consequential removal and destruction of them have become about the left not being satisfied with all living people being racist that don't follow left agenda, now decade old dead people need to be called racist too. The left, never running out of ways to be bottom feeders.
5. Democrats and the left are at least a little bit racist. Nobody or group without a "racist bone in their bodies" would use and promote race for so many agendas. Denying people for years to speak openly on issues but pulling the you're racists to card to shut them up because they have no backbone.
6. Trump has been the only one calling for unity. The democrats and left are running their resist campaign. Once again showing they only care about themselves and show no respect for fellow Americans even in our voting process.
Trump refers to me as an American. the loser called me deplorable. I know where your group-think will lump me.
First it was 2 scoops of ice cream and now sunglasses!! The left and democrats sure should be gloating!!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 08/21/2017, 10:01 PM
Post by: esteban on 08/21/2017, 10:01 PM
Thank you, Nulltard and NECRO, for your posts.
:)
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 08/21/2017, 10:54 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 08/21/2017, 10:54 PM
Here's the thing that I don't think Trump and the right have figured out yet. Hillary lost and cannot be president right now. You don't need to constantly bring her up *. At the moment she is completely irrelevant. We have a president that many people don't like for many legitimate reasons. So why the hell do you throw out "HILLARY GOT A RAPIST OFF AND LAUGHED ABOUT IT!?" out there as if that explains away any of the legit criticisms that people have against our president?
Did leftward leaning people bring up "Mitt Romney was maybe the least competent candidate of the era" upon hearing the right criticize the ACA?
*Personally, I hope that I never hear about her in the political sphere again but that's a whole other topic.
Did leftward leaning people bring up "Mitt Romney was maybe the least competent candidate of the era" upon hearing the right criticize the ACA?
*Personally, I hope that I never hear about her in the political sphere again but that's a whole other topic.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/21/2017, 09:40 PMWow, where to even start? Lol... Nah, I'll pass. This is up there with fake moon landing and flat Earth.So I imagined being called deplorable?
"If I had a son......" treyvons parents weren't invited to the White House?
I imagined Obama telling illegals they can't be deported or punished for voting in the presidential election?
I did not really see antifa and leftist protesters in masks with whatever they could find in their hands shutting down conservative speakers? Or my favorite, this past weekends, ready for it?! PROTEST at the conservative FREE SPEECH rally in Boston? That was fake, correct?
Democrats and the left have not claimed I am racists because I side with trump? Dean today did not say if you vote republican, you are voting for racists?
The left is not calling dead people racist?
Shit, I thought my eyes and ears were still in good condition. Oh, just to make sure I am as delusional as you claim, can you point me to the exact quote where trump said he 100% supports the kkk or David duke? I have been organizing my flat earth pics and heard some rumblings about him really digging the kkk.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 08/21/2017, 11:51 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 08/21/2017, 11:51 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PMSo I imagined being called deplorable?Would you consider the Americans who seig heiled while they marched with Swastikas on their arms in Charlottesville deplorable?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/22/2017, 12:09 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/22/2017, 12:09 AM
It's cool, Nully, I'll tag in on this one...
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?" Clinton said. "The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up."
She said the other half of Trump's supporters "feel that the government has let them down" and are "desperate for change."
So, which half do you fall into? If it's the first, yes, she called you "deplorable". And rightly so. If you don't fall into that half, you may not have "imagined" it, but you sure need to work on your reading comprehension.
Anyway, "But what about ____?" is a lazy, 2nd grade argument.The Nazi dude killed someone, my friend. But what about that? I'll choose the side without the nazis every god damned time.
"If you want to vote for a racist in the White House, then you better vote for Republicans," the former governor of Vermont said on MSNBC on Saturday.
Read it slowly. Carefully. It's okay. I'll wait.
I admire your dedication and your love of the orange cool-aid. And I also really enjoy how Trump and his followers are all of a sudden preaching unity and peace. As though all that crazy shit that happened and was said - on film - during the election never happened.
We truly live in wondrous times.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PMSo I imagined being called deplorable?Here's what she said:
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?" Clinton said. "The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up."
She said the other half of Trump's supporters "feel that the government has let them down" and are "desperate for change."
So, which half do you fall into? If it's the first, yes, she called you "deplorable". And rightly so. If you don't fall into that half, you may not have "imagined" it, but you sure need to work on your reading comprehension.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PM"If I had a son......" treyvons parents weren't invited to the White House?I suppose there's a problem with inviting the parents of a kid who was murdered to the White House in order to have a conversation that's critical to what's going on in the nation, but I'm having a hard time thinking of it. You've implied that he was a criminal, yet Treyvon had no real criminal record; only school suspension. But I suppose that was worth the death sentence. And, after all in the years since the incident, Zimmerman has proven himself to be a real solid citizen, worthy of your passionate support.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PMI imagined Obama telling illegals they can't be deported or punished for voting in the presidential election?I'm afraid you did imagine this one, pal. Debunked (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/08/no-this-video-does-not-show-obama-urging-undocumented-people-to-vote/?utm_term=.23e5d349e8db)
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PMI did not really see antifa and leftist protesters in masks with whatever they could find in their hands shutting down conservative speakers?Am I the only one who'd never heard the term "antifa" until last weekend? And now it's like the new buzzword for every blubbering idiot trying to defend what went on in VA last weekend. "But what about antifa? Huh? Antifa! Antifa!" It's like the new "Snowflake" or "Cuck".
Anyway, "But what about ____?" is a lazy, 2nd grade argument.The Nazi dude killed someone, my friend. But what about that? I'll choose the side without the nazis every god damned time.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PMOr my favorite, this past weekends, ready for it?! PROTEST at the conservative FREE SPEECH rally in Boston? That was fake, correct?Hey, your boy was totally down with the protest (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/899008521726861312). So what exactly is the problem?
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PMDemocrats and the left have not claimed I am racists because I side with trump? Dean today did not say if you vote republican, you are voting for racists?Once again, your reading comprehension needs some work.
"If you want to vote for a racist in the White House, then you better vote for Republicans," the former governor of Vermont said on MSNBC on Saturday.
Read it slowly. Carefully. It's okay. I'll wait.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/21/2017, 11:07 PMThe left is not calling dead people racist?Uh...what? Once you die does that erase your past racism? What are you even talking about? Like, "My Uncle Teddy was super racist and lynched a bunch of people. But it's all cool now. He's dead." WTF?
I admire your dedication and your love of the orange cool-aid. And I also really enjoy how Trump and his followers are all of a sudden preaching unity and peace. As though all that crazy shit that happened and was said - on film - during the election never happened.
We truly live in wondrous times.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 08/22/2017, 06:22 AM
Post by: esteban on 08/22/2017, 06:22 AM
Thank you, KingDrool.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/22/2017, 08:06 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/22/2017, 08:06 AM
Quote from: esteban on 08/22/2017, 06:22 AMThank you, KingDrool.Seconded. You have a lot of patience. I applaud the effort.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/22/2017, 10:28 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/22/2017, 10:28 AM
Thirded. Not many bother arguing with such fools, and fewer still do it so succinctly and intelligently.
Also thanks to seieienbu. I too am sick and tired of Trump apologists replying to everything with "but Obama/Hilary/keep your insurance/emails!" Neither are in office any more, and nothing they did makes it okay for Trump to fuck up today.
Also thanks to seieienbu. I too am sick and tired of Trump apologists replying to everything with "but Obama/Hilary/keep your insurance/emails!" Neither are in office any more, and nothing they did makes it okay for Trump to fuck up today.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 08/22/2017, 03:45 PM
Post by: esteban on 08/22/2017, 03:45 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/22/2017, 09:30 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/22/2017, 09:30 PM
QuoteAm I the only one who'd never heard the term "antifa" until last weekend?This right here is why Trump was right to bring it up. People didn't know. Now they do. You have to see the hate before you can do something about it.
Quote"But what about ____?" is a lazy, 2nd grade argument.The Nazi dude killed someone, my friend. But what about that? I'll choose the side without the nazis every god damned time.This makes it sound like you're choosing the side that set fires at Berkeley, the side that said the Republican Congressman deserved to get shot, the side that threw bottles of urine at policemen in Boston, the side that celebrated the murder of 5 cops at a BLM march.
Is that really the side you want to be on?
I'm not on either side. I'm disgusted by all of the extremists. Come join me!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/22/2017, 09:35 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/22/2017, 09:35 PM
Thank you Emerald for your post. Lol
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 08/22/2017, 12:09 AMIt's cool, Nulltard, I'll tag in on this one...Of course you will, group think FTW!!
Here's what she said:
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?" Clinton said. "The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up."
She said the other half of Trump's supporters "feel that the government has let them down" and are "desperate for change."
So, which half do you fall into? If it's the first, yes, she called you "deplorable". And rightly so. If you don't fall into that half, you may not have "imagined" it, but you sure need to work on your reading comprehension.
The simple fact that you see nothing wrong with her calling ANY legal American tax paying citizen deplorable while trying to convince people she should lead this nation, speaks volumes. It's about respect, something you seem to have no concern for.
QuoteI suppose there's a problem with inviting the parents of a kid who was murdered to the White House in order to have a conversation that's critical to what's going on in the nation, but I'm having a hard time thinking of it. You've implied that he was a criminal, yet Treyvon had no real criminal record; only school suspension. But I suppose that was worth the death sentence. And, after all in the years since the incident, Zimmerman has proven himself to be a real solid citizen, worthy of your passionate support.I never stated stance on Zimmerman. Will lefties ever evolve enough to realize it's isn't one or the other? No, he had no reason to be killed or treated as some hero. Many parents lose children to violence a year, his was a high profile case, which in itself is a shame, because of what the media did with it. It was exploitation. Ya know, exactly what Trump was accused of doing a few posts back. You guys really don't like the shoe on the other foot do you?
QuoteI'm afraid you did imagine this one, pal. Debunked (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/08/no-this-video-does-not-show-obama-urging-undocumented-people-to-vote/?utm_term=.23e5d349e8db)On this, I admit a mistake. I was pissed about the illegal amnesty that the supreme court thankfully blocked. Funny how it was trying to be passed before the election. States knew they could not have the needed tools in time to stop illegals from voting undetected. I am no conspiracy theorist, but Obamas intentions were clear. And all Dems were in favor of it. And Dems still push for sanctuary cities. It's not difficult to see the intentions. The video portion you referred to, I was fooled by shortly after it was reported, but I saw it was debunked and never gave it much thought again.
QuoteAm I the only one who'd never heard the term "antifa" until last weekend? And now it's like the new buzzword for every blubbering idiot trying to defend what went on in VA last weekend. "But what about antifa? Huh? Antifa! Antifa!" It's like the new "Snowflake" or "Cuck".Yea, you probably are the only one. It isn't a new movement, but I suppose when turning a blind eye to reality and stretching the truth, I can see how it would get lost on a few. Only a lib would think you could pick up a turd by the clean end.
Anyway, "But what about ____?" is a lazy, 2nd grade argument.The Nazi dude killed someone, my friend. But what about that? I'll choose the side without the nazis every god damned time.
QuoteHey, your boy was totally down with the protest (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/899008521726861312). So what exactly is the problem?Hmmm, you aren't too quick I guess. The left was protesting a free speech event. Still don't get it?! The left was protesting an event that was celebrating the very thing that gives them the freedom to PROTEST. Stick with vagina hats.
QuoteOnce again, your reading comprehension needs some work.No, crystal clear. Is it not the Left that has been accusing everyone who voted for trump a racist already? That is all you have shouted. And yet not any of you, can provided me with a statement from Trump about the KKK, david duke, or any other racist comment. Pick and choose I see.
"If you want to vote for a racist in the White House, then you better vote for Republicans," the former governor of Vermont said on MSNBC on Saturday.
Read it slowly. Carefully. It's okay. I'll wait.
QuoteUh...what? Once you die does that erase your past racism? What are you even talking about? Like, "My Uncle Teddy was super racist and lynched a bunch of people. But it's all cool now. He's dead." WTF?It only seems they are preaching it recently to you, because you have been too busy with your morally superior crusade to notice the world and it's ideals do not revolve around only you!! Yay, you made the first step!! Next thing you know, you might figure out that there's millions of people who voted for someone they like and instead of pouting about it daily, maybe you can actually respect them and see the bigger picture, where it isn't just YOU in it!!!!!
I admire your dedication and your love of the orange cool-aid. And I also really enjoy how Trump and his followers are all of a sudden preaching unity and peace. As though all that crazy shit that happened and was said - on film - during the election never happened.
We truly live in wondrous times.
Well, ya see, when you don't try to change history or pretend it can go away, you can do this thing called logic. I for example, do not wear any body coverings made of grass or straw. But at one time, people did!! Point is, it was a different time, slavery was a money maker. It was the way of the world. It wasn't considered wrong. Now, through evolving emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and respectfully, only a little of the world practices slavery. I know this is gonna hurt to find out but, everyone isn't racist. Always been like that. You bought or traded for slaves to get shit done. So, throwing a tantrum about a guy thats been dead for over a 100 years, for the sake of racism is why the left is a bunch of idiots. If a statue hurts you, a picture hurts you, we all know words hurt you, you have got bigger problems in your life. Trying to pretend and ignore the past, is a path only fools would admire. Think of it like this, would you think it's appropriate 100 years from now that any reference to transsexuals should be erased from history? What if knocking your cock off isn't so cool 100 years from now? And all of those trannies, no matter their accomplishments, get thrown away forever because a group of people think they have the right to do so? Hell, what am I thinking. You guys think you have the authority to speak for everyone. Waste of time.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/23/2017, 02:06 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/23/2017, 02:06 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMOf course you will, group think FTW!!So clearly, since Donald Trump has insulted millions of Americans, he too does not deserve to lead this nation, right?
The simple fact that you see nothing wrong with her calling ANY legal American tax paying citizen deplorable while trying to convince people she should lead this nation, speaks volumes. It's about respect, something you seem to have no concern for.
Hypocrisy has never been so glaring.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 02:26 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 02:26 AM
QuoteSo clearly, since Donald Trump has insulted millions of Americans....To be fair, Trump has only insulted thousands of Americans, not millions. The exact amount depends on how many white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and CNN employees are in the country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 08/23/2017, 03:28 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 08/23/2017, 03:28 AM
Trump twitters today:
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"Please stop bullying me, I am your president!"
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"Please stop bullying me, I am your president!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 08/23/2017, 05:56 AM
Post by: esteban on 08/23/2017, 05:56 AM
To all folks:
I know we are talking past each other (I can't convince you, you can't convince me), but I guarantee we would have a lot of fun playing some PCE, chewing Nicorette (I don't smoke, but I still need my nicotine) and crying when we can't beat Hany on the Road in 2-player co-op (seriously, this game kicks my butt).
Do you want to be Hany?
Or Lemon?
Lemon is the "whiter" one, by the way.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20150521023101im_/http://www.pcengine.co.uk/Images-Screenshots_A-K/Hany_on_the_Road_01.gif)
Hany is the "brown" one...
Just saying...
:)
P.S. Don't worry, I'll be Hany.
I know we are talking past each other (I can't convince you, you can't convince me), but I guarantee we would have a lot of fun playing some PCE, chewing Nicorette (I don't smoke, but I still need my nicotine) and crying when we can't beat Hany on the Road in 2-player co-op (seriously, this game kicks my butt).
Do you want to be Hany?
Or Lemon?
Lemon is the "whiter" one, by the way.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20150521023101im_/http://www.pcengine.co.uk/Images-Screenshots_A-K/Hany_on_the_Road_01.gif)
Hany is the "brown" one...
Just saying...
:)
P.S. Don't worry, I'll be Hany.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 09:01 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 09:01 AM
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:02 AMMexican citizens aren't Americans. My statement holds.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 02:26 AMBut... if there are only thousands of Mexicans in the country, how did millions of them vote illegally?QuoteSo clearly, since Donald Trump has insulted millions of Americans....To be fair, Trump has only insulted thousands of Americans, not millions...
Or, are you referring to Americans of Mexican heritage? Trump didn't insult that group. Keep in mind that "people getting mad" doesn't mean "people were insulted".
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 09:02 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 09:02 AM
Quote from: estebanI know we are talking past each other (I can't convince you, you can't convince me), but I guarantee we would have a lot of fun playing some PCE, chewing Nicorette (I don't smoke, but I still need my nicotine) and crying when we can't beat Hany on the Road in 2-player co-opYou speak of things that make much sense, sir. But my Hany is in the SKY!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/23/2017, 09:28 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/23/2017, 09:28 AM
Well, it was a nice try. I could respond by saying that any racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic person is in fact deplorable, and the fact that they pay their taxes doesn't get them a free pass. Or that yes, Treyvon was a high profile case that opened many wounds about race in America, which is precisely why a conversation was necessary. I could say that you're still using your newfound hatred of this nebulous "antifa" faction to overlook the fact that a nazi killed a woman or that your so-called "free speech" rally was nothing more than a shield for racists to spout their bullshit. I could also say that words matter; especially when they come from the so-called "leader" of the free world. And when nazis are parading around in your silly red hats or posting on their websites about how they're very happy that you didn't rebuke them for their actions, your words were not clear enough and you failed in your mission to clearly and definitively shut them down.
I could say all that, but it would be pointless. As Esteban said, we are speaking past one another. So here's to the PC Engine. Cheers.
I could say all that, but it would be pointless. As Esteban said, we are speaking past one another. So here's to the PC Engine. Cheers.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 10:50 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 10:50 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMWell, ya see, when you don't try to change history or pretend it can go away, you can do this thing called logic. I for example, do not wear any body coverings made of grass or straw. But at one time, people did!! Point is, it was a different time, slavery was a money maker. It was the way of the world. It wasn't considered wrong. Now, through evolving emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and respectfully, only a little of the world practices slavery. I know this is gonna hurt to find out but, everyone isn't racist. Always been like that. You bought or traded for slaves to get shit done. So, throwing a tantrum about a guy thats been dead for over a 100 years, for the sake of racism is why the left is a bunch of idiots. If a statue hurts you, a picture hurts you, we all know words hurt you, you have got bigger problems in your life. Trying to pretend and ignore the past, is a path only fools would admire.Nobody is trying to change or ignore history, moron. The point is to move the statues to where their full context can be explained, like a museum, rather than leaving them as memorials to 'heroes' and celebrating traitors and slavery. It's like in Germany: there's no Nazi regalia and Hitler statues in every town park, but there's no shortage of war and holocaust museums to visit.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMThink of it like this, would you think it's appropriate 100 years from now that any reference to transsexuals should be erased from history? What if knocking your cock off isn't so cool 100 years from now? And all of those trannies, no matter their accomplishments, get thrown away forever because a group of people think they have the right to do so?You're equating institutional slavery to someone's personal life, and yet you think deplorable doesn't describe you?!?
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMHell, what am I thinking. You guys think you have the authority to speak for everyone. Waste of time.You're leaving? Cool, we're better for it.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 09:01 AMMexican citizens aren't Americans. My statement holds.Considering many of those 'criminal/rapist/druggie' illegal immigrants eventually gained citizenship, he did indeed insult Mexican Americans.
Or, are you referring to Americans of Mexican heritage? Trump didn't insult that group. Keep in mind that "people getting mad" doesn't mean "people were insulted".
You Trump apologists pick the weirdest battles. Between insulting various immigrant groups, muslims, the media in general, several countries and by extension the people that hold dual citizenship with them, the existing political establishment in DC, military leadership, the Democrats in general, the judicial system, global warming scientists, people at the Women's March, etc., there's no question he's insulted millions of Americans, but who gives a fuck? Hell, he even insulted his own support base, saying they'd stand behind him even if he were a murderer! The only reason you're trying this argument is to prove that Trump's better than Hilary, but the reality is that they're both assholes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:40 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:40 AM
Quote from: KingDrool on 08/23/2017, 09:28 AMWell, it was a nice try. I could respond by saying that any racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic person is in fact deplorable, and the fact that they pay their taxes doesn't get them a free pass. Or that yes, Treyvon was a high profile case that opened many wounds about race in America, which is precisely why a conversation was necessary. I could say that you're still using your newfound hatred of this nebulous "antifa" faction to overlook the fact that a nazi killed a woman or that your so-called "free speech" rally was nothing more than a shield for racists to spout their bullshit. I could also say that words matter; especially when they come from the so-called "leader" of the free world. And when nazis are parading around in your silly red hats or posting on their websites about how they're very happy that you didn't rebuke them for their actions, your words were not clear enough and you failed in your mission to clearly and definitively shut them down.You did make a great attempt. Where is the Trump loving KKK quote? Put up or shut up. Where is the statistics showing that only racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic people are in fact deplorable, and the fact that they pay their taxes doesn't get them a free pass, were exclusively Trump voters. Prove it. C'mon quote master, I will wait. But we know you can't stand behind your convictions, just gonna tuck the tail. Stretching what someone says, does not make it truth or fact. Stomping your feet and crying really really really loud doesn't make it the truth either. Hmmm, how do you know how long I knew about antifa? The ignorance, more than likely intentional, is on your end. Why your newfound outrage at the KKK? Have you mentioned them previously? LOL
I could say all that, but it would be pointless. As Esteban said, we are speaking past one another. So here's to the PC Engine. Cheers.
Equating or implying I am a NAZI or any other thing you have tried to do, shows what an ignorant, spineless, coward you are. Trying to pigeon hole me because you have no balls to back up or prove your manufactured hatred and have not 1 fact on your side, says it all. Again, stick with the vagina hat. Sorry I disrupted your circle jerk.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:44 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:44 AM
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 10:57 AMNo it is not racist. Learn the meaning of the word. Statistically speaking along with data, the facts are on his side. While all of the things he accused them of, of course happen by REAL legal citizens, the data shows the damage of having illegals run rampant in this country and why it needs to be addressed. Calling out a group that all happens to be the same nationality, that are causing issues, is reality, not racism.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 09:01 AMI was referring to the millions of illegal immigrants that he insists (without any evidence) had voted illegally. He categorically called them rapists and criminals, which I would imagine was insulting to them. Also pretty fucking racist. I'm sure you'll argue semantics, and he was actually complimenting Mexicans and uniting the planet in love and harmony.Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:02 AMMexican citizens aren't Americans. My statement holds.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 02:26 AMBut... if there are only thousands of Mexicans in the country, how did millions of them vote illegally?QuoteSo clearly, since Donald Trump has insulted millions of Americans....To be fair, Trump has only insulted thousands of Americans, not millions...
Or, are you referring to Americans of Mexican heritage? Trump didn't insult that group. Keep in mind that "people getting mad" doesn't mean "people were insulted".
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/23/2017, 11:49 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/23/2017, 11:49 AM
Wow. Such an angry and insulting little man.
Again, your reading comprehension is absolutely lousy.
1) I never said Trump loves the KKK. In fact, I don't think he does. What I said was that he was not clear in his condemnation and that as president you need to make that shit crystal clear; especially when these people claim to support you, the president.
2) I never said racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic were only Trump voters. I'm sure there are plenty of those people who didn't vote for Trump. I was merely clarifying Hillary's quote for you.
3) Not once did I imply that you are a nazi. Not one single time. That is another figment of your imagination.
And here I am, pal, standing by my convictions. Not "tucking my tail". Not stomping my feet or crying really loudly. Here I am, simply responding to your fucking nonsense with fact and reason.
Except this part: Go fuck yourself.
Again, your reading comprehension is absolutely lousy.
1) I never said Trump loves the KKK. In fact, I don't think he does. What I said was that he was not clear in his condemnation and that as president you need to make that shit crystal clear; especially when these people claim to support you, the president.
2) I never said racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic were only Trump voters. I'm sure there are plenty of those people who didn't vote for Trump. I was merely clarifying Hillary's quote for you.
3) Not once did I imply that you are a nazi. Not one single time. That is another figment of your imagination.
And here I am, pal, standing by my convictions. Not "tucking my tail". Not stomping my feet or crying really loudly. Here I am, simply responding to your fucking nonsense with fact and reason.
Except this part: Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:57 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:57 AM
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 10:50 AMSo what? What happens when you get insulted? Lose your dick? Bank account drains? What? What exactly happens? It's not the end of the world when you get insulted, it's not YOUR world only. Let's bring in all the muslims, keep all the illegals, but don't you insult me!!! You can't have it both ways. Learn to deal with the reality of it.QuoteNobody is trying to change or ignore history, moron. The point is to move the statues to where their full context can be explained, like a museum, rather than leaving them as memorials to 'heroes' and celebrating traitors and slavery. It's like in Germany: there's no Nazi regalia and Hitler statues in every town park, but there's no shortage of war and holocaust museums to visit.So by tearing them down, defacing them, and destroying them, the point is to display them in a different environment. Got it. My bad. Where was this manufactured outrage last year? Year before that? And before that? What will be the next thing to be offended by? Green grass? The eclipse making things dark?!?!?! I know it's all on the table at this point.
You're equating institutional slavery to someone's personal life, and yet you think deplorable doesn't describe you?!?QuoteYou're leaving? Cool, we're better for it.Nope, sorry, someone who thinks different from you won't leave. I don't give you a second thought, do the same and all is good. Or like in real adult life, you can live among others who don't share the same view and let bygones be bygones. Or just call them a moron.Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/23/2017, 09:01 AMMexican citizens aren't Americans. My statement holds.Considering many of those 'criminal/rapist/druggie' illegal immigrants eventually gained citizenship, he did indeed insult Mexican Americans.
Or, are you referring to Americans of Mexican heritage? Trump didn't insult that group. Keep in mind that "people getting mad" doesn't mean "people were insulted".
You Trump apologists pick the weirdest battles. Between insulting various immigrant groups, muslims, the media in general, several countries and by extension the people that hold dual citizenship with them, the existing political establishment in DC, military leadership, the Democrats in general, the judicial system, global warming scientists, people at the Women's March, etc., there's no question he's insulted millions of Americans, but who gives a fuck? Hell, he even insulted his own support base, saying they'd stand behind him even if he were a murderer! The only reason you're trying this argument is to prove that Trump's better than Hilary, but the reality is that they're both assholes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:58 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:58 AM
Quote from: KingDrool on 08/23/2017, 11:49 AMWow. Such an angry and insulting little man.I was referring to you picking up the ball for your bro when you said you'd take this. I asked those questions of him, you picked up the ball for him. Why not address it all?
Again, your reading comprehension is absolutely lousy.
1) I never said Trump loves the KKK. In fact, I don't think he does. What I said was that he was not clear in his condemnation and that as president you need to make that shit crystal clear; especially when these people claim to support you, the president.
2) I never said racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic were only Trump voters. I'm sure there are plenty of those people who didn't vote for Trump. I was merely clarifying Hillary's quote for you.
3) Not once did I imply that you are a nazi. Not one single time. That is another figment of your imagination.
And here I am, pal, standing by my convictions. Not "tucking my tail". Not stomping my feet or crying really loudly. Here I am, simply responding to your fucking nonsense with fact and reason.
Except this part: Go fuck yourself.
No problem. How do you deal with other things in life that don't go your way. They all just fuck off too? LOL, yup, I'm the little one
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 08/23/2017, 12:02 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 08/23/2017, 12:02 PM
Jesus, can you fucking read at all?
I said: I'm right here, pal. Ready to talk with you. God knows why, but here I am. Despite the fact that you said I'm going to "tuck my tail" or stomp my feet and cry. (EDIT: If you were referring to Nulltard, you should have addressed him, not me). I'm here to respond to you, and I feel as though - despite the "go fuck yourself" - I've been fairly patient.
What would you like me to say? What other questions do you want answered? I'm here. Let's do this.
I said: I'm right here, pal. Ready to talk with you. God knows why, but here I am. Despite the fact that you said I'm going to "tuck my tail" or stomp my feet and cry. (EDIT: If you were referring to Nulltard, you should have addressed him, not me). I'm here to respond to you, and I feel as though - despite the "go fuck yourself" - I've been fairly patient.
What would you like me to say? What other questions do you want answered? I'm here. Let's do this.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 08/23/2017, 12:16 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 08/23/2017, 12:16 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:57 AMSo what? What happens when you get insulted? Lose your dick? Bank account drains? What? What exactly happens? It's not the end of the world when you get insulted, it's not YOUR world only. Let's bring in all the muslims, keep all the illegals, but don't you insult me!!! You can't have it both ways. Learn to deal with the reality of it.Do you enjoy being equated to Nazis(Trump supporters)? Would you feel the same if you were thrown in with terrorists (Muslims), murderers and rapists (Mexicans)? Get your fucking head out of your ass! There is a great big world out there, and it isn't just for middle aged white men...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 12:56 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 12:56 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:40 AMYou did make a great attempt. Where is the Trump loving KKK quote? Put up or shut up.Besides his failure to call out white supremacists immediately on Charlottesville, Trump was asked during the campaign for a comment on being endorsed by David Duke and the KKK and he demurred, saying he doesn't know who they are; those two incidents were what I was talking about when I said he's loathe to denounce them. No matter how you try to spin it, there's no doubt that literally any other mainstream candidate would've immediately said 'fuck his support' and any other president would've immediately said 'fuck white supremacists' in those instances. People of character don't need a couple days to think about such things.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:44 AMNo it is not racist. Learn the meaning of the word. Statistically speaking along with data, the facts are on his side. While all of the things he accused them of, of course happen by REAL legal citizens, the data shows the damage of having illegals run rampant in this country and why it needs to be addressed. Calling out a group that all happens to be the same nationality, that are causing issues, is reality, not racism.Actually, statistics show that immigrants are less likely than US born citizens to commit crimes and illegal immigrants do not commit a disproportionate number of crimes compared to legal citizens. Look it up, ya mouthy piece of shit.
Even if Trump deserves a pass on this one point not being racist, there's several listed earlier that you're afraid to address because you know there's no explaining them away. He's racist; deal with it.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:57 AMSo what? What happens when you get insulted? Lose your dick? Bank account drains? What? What exactly happens? It's not the end of the world when you get insulted, it's not YOUR world only. Let's bring in all the muslims, keep all the illegals, but don't you insult me!!! You can't have it both ways. Learn to deal with the reality of it.I'm clearly saying I don't care about Trumps insults and that both sides do it anyway, so what exactly is your point? :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:06 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:06 PM
Quote from: Lost Monkey on 08/23/2017, 12:16 PMHold on here. I have been following this thread for a while. The same people who lump trump supporters together constantly, cry about muslims and mexicans being lumped together when convenient. Like I said, a circle jerk. "HaHa, Nulltard, you said trumpeteer, haha good one, Sorry necro, I forgot to spit in my hand first but I was laughing about the cheeto people, that's ok Esteban, just keep strokin it"Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 11:57 AMSo what? What happens when you get insulted? Lose your dick? Bank account drains? What? What exactly happens? It's not the end of the world when you get insulted, it's not YOUR world only. Let's bring in all the muslims, keep all the illegals, but don't you insult me!!! You can't have it both ways. Learn to deal with the reality of it.Do you enjoy being equated to Nazis(Trump supporters)? Would you feel the same if you were thrown in with terrorists (Muslims), murderers and rapists (Mexicans)? Get your fucking head our of your ass! There is a great big world out there, and it isn't just for middle aged white men...
I don't understand 2 things in life, hypocrisy and low self esteem. So, I am lumping all of these guys together. Seems to be the way to do it. I want proof of Trump being racist, I want proof his voters are. This crap I have read multiple times in this thread. You want to represent that narrative, then you should have indisputable info on hand to do so. At least King Drool, no matter his opinion of me, took the time to put quotes up. I just lumped him in because he wanted to speak for someone else. So these guys all want to talk the talk, walk the walk. It can easily be a discussion but they have yet to show the ability to discuss unless it's among themselves in total agreement. When facing the opposition, they let go of the cocks long enough to pat each other on the back after some cheer leading to one of their replies.
And then you pull the middle aged white man thing. Bravo. Try to set the narrative before the info.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 08/23/2017, 01:13 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 08/23/2017, 01:13 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:06 PMAnd then you pull the middle aged white man thing. Bravo. Try to set the narrative before the info.Middle aged white men is the only group Trump hasn't insulted. Try to keep up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:21 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:21 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 12:56 PMBesides his failure to call out white supremacists immediately on Charlottesville, Trump was asked during the campaign for a comment on being endorsed by David Duke and the KKK and he demurred, saying he doesn't know who they are; those two incidents were what I was talking about when I said he's loathe to denounce them. No matter how you try to spin it, there's no doubt that literally any other mainstream candidate would've immediately said 'fuck his support' and any other president would've immediately said 'fuck white supremacists' in those instances. People of character don't need a couple days to think about such things.I totally get that. I seriously doubt Trump, with his lifestyle, paid any attention to David Duke, Black Panthers, or any whack jobs. He had no need to call out anyone immediately. While it would have been wiser, in the end, it doesn't matter at this point. Remember when Treyvon was shot and the media said a white guy shot him? Those types of things we DON'T need. Patience may be the better path. People of character also don't make rash decisions. I feel this is a situation of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
QuoteActually, statistics show that immigrants are less likely than US born citizens to commit crimes and illegal immigrants do not commit a disproportionate number of crimes compared to legal citizens. Look it up, ya mouthy piece of shit.No he is not. Not by any definition except the lefts. Logic defies the accusation. The man has employed people of many colors, races, religions, male or female. I am pretty sure that all of them are ends to a means and I can't imagine he pulled down the women he has married because of looks, but there is no evidence of racism. Unless you stretch the truth. Speaking of, he was never referred to as a racist until the democrats decided to try that approach. And now the left has run with it. 70 years old and suddenly he is this yuge racist!!!
Even if Trump deserves a pass on this one point not being racist, there's several listed earlier that you're afraid to address because you know there's no explaining them away. He's racist; deal with it.
QuoteI'm clearly saying I don't care about Trumps insults and that both sides do it anyway, so what exactly is your point? :lol:=D>
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:37 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:37 PM
Quote from: Lost Monkey on 08/23/2017, 01:13 PMHe certainly has. He has insulted all of congress, almost every person he has appointed to anything, anyone on the disbanded committees and, hell, let's be honest, everyone. Yet, everyone is still pretty much alive.Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:06 PMAnd then you pull the middle aged white man thing. Bravo. Try to set the narrative before the info.Middle aged white men is the only group Trump hasn't insulted. Try to keep up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/23/2017, 01:41 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/23/2017, 01:41 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:21 PMNo he is not. Not by any definition except the lefts. Logic defies the accusation. The man has employed people of many colors, races, religions, male or female. I am pretty sure that all of them are ends to a means and I can't imagine he pulled down the women he has married because of looks, but there is no evidence of racism. Unless you stretch the truth. Speaking of, he was never referred to as a racist until the democrats decided to try that approach. And now the left has run with it. 70 years old and suddenly he is this yuge racist!!!I'm frightened that you're a voter at all:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trumps-long-history-of-racism-w497876
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 01:51 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 01:51 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMThe simple fact that you see nothing wrong with her calling ANY legal American tax paying citizen deplorable while trying to convince people she should lead this nation, speaks volumes. It's about respect, something you seem to have no concern for.No response before so I guess I'll ask again.
Would you consider the Americans who seig heiled while they marched with Swastikas on their arms in Charlottesville deplorable? Do you, itsatarp, deplore them?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 01:58 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 01:58 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:21 PMI totally get that. I seriously doubt Trump, with his lifestyle, paid any attention to David Duke, Black Panthers, or any whack jobs. He had no need to call out anyone immediately. While it would have been wiser, in the end, it doesn't matter at this point. Remember when Treyvon was shot and the media said a white guy shot him? Those types of things we DON'T need. Patience may be the better path. People of character also don't make rash decisions. I feel this is a situation of damned if you do, damned if you don't.If Trump's known for anything, it's waiting for more information and not flying off half-cocked, right? Gimme a break.
"I thought being President would be easier."
"Who knew healthcare was so hard?"
"After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it's [North Korea] not so easy."
"I didn't know leaving Afghanistan would be so problematic."
So many lulz. :lol:
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:21 PMNo he is not. Not by any definition except the lefts. Logic defies the accusation. The man has employed people of many colors, races, religions, male or female. I am pretty sure that all of them are ends to a means and I can't imagine he pulled down the women he has married because of looks, but there is no evidence of racism. Unless you stretch the truth. Speaking of, he was never referred to as a racist until the democrats decided to try that approach. And now the left has run with it. 70 years old and suddenly he is this yuge racist!!!Claims of racism aren't even remotely new. Here's some things you can google:
- Trump lying about and defending his dad being arrested at a KKK rally
- Khizr Khan's mom
- Central Park Five
- Obama's birther conspiracy
- several discriminatory housing lawsuits
- Judge Curiel
- Joe Arpaio
Seriously, do you actually know ANYTHING about Trump other than he's president and #MAGA? :lol:
By the way, good job on ignoring the statistics since they didn't agree with your 'alternate facts'. Who's the chickenshit with his tail between his legs again?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:16 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:16 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 01:51 PMSorry, didn't see this. The more important question is, what kind of person are YOU to assume silence means acceptance? But to answer your question, fuck them. NAACP, BLM, Feminists, Antifa, UNCF, KKK, the far out crazy rightwing people that all for militias, Hannity (lol), hell, and special interest group all do nothing but divide. All of them. If you want an end to racism, sexism, and isms in general, none of them should exist. But it will never happen.Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMThe simple fact that you see nothing wrong with her calling ANY legal American tax paying citizen deplorable while trying to convince people she should lead this nation, speaks volumes. It's about respect, something you seem to have no concern for.No response before so I guess I'll ask again.
Would you consider the Americans who seig heiled while they marched with Swastikas on their arms in Charlottesville deplorable? Do you, itsatarp, deplore them?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 01:58 PMAs I stated, every instance if different. But why play this game? A dude lives in your head rent free daily that you despise. You call him orange, he doesn't know you exist. You call him racist, and he doesn't hear it. See, you are insignificant. But keep screaming, your fans love it. I didn't ignore your statistics. Ok so they do less criminal offenses, that wasn't the point, but you wanted to try to twist it up so you actually had a point. They do not belong here. If you don't have a dog but the neighbor does and lets it shit in your yard, why do you have the burden of cleaning it up? There is nothing wrong calling out people who DO NOT belong here for causing problems and costing US money. Too bad if they get insulted. His quote was clearly talking about the bad apples, but stretching the reality is a great way to manufacture some more outrage!!Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:21 PMI totally get that. I seriously doubt Trump, with his lifestyle, paid any attention to David Duke, Black Panthers, or any whack jobs. He had no need to call out anyone immediately. While it would have been wiser, in the end, it doesn't matter at this point. Remember when Treyvon was shot and the media said a white guy shot him? Those types of things we DON'T need. Patience may be the better path. People of character also don't make rash decisions. I feel this is a situation of damned if you do, damned if you don't.If Trump's known for anything, it's waiting for more information and not flying off half-cocked, right? Gimme a break.
"I thought being President would be easier."
"Who knew healthcare was so hard?"
"After listening for 10 minutes, I realized it's [North Korea] not so easy."
"I didn't know leaving Afghanistan would be so problematic."
So many lulz. :lol:Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 01:21 PMNo he is not. Not by any definition except the lefts. Logic defies the accusation. The man has employed people of many colors, races, religions, male or female. I am pretty sure that all of them are ends to a means and I can't imagine he pulled down the women he has married because of looks, but there is no evidence of racism. Unless you stretch the truth. Speaking of, he was never referred to as a racist until the democrats decided to try that approach. And now the left has run with it. 70 years old and suddenly he is this yuge racist!!!Claims of racism aren't even remotely new. Here's some things you can google:
- Trump lying about and defending his dad being arrested at a KKK rally
- Khizr Khan's mom
- Central Park Five
- Obama's birther conspiracy
- several discriminatory housing lawsuits
- Judge Curiel
- Joe Arpaio
Seriously, do you actually know ANYTHING about Trump other than he's president and #MAGA? :lol:
By the way, good job on ignoring the statistics since they didn't agree with your 'alternate facts'. Who's the chickenshit with his tail between his legs again?
Yup all of that and the above and RS article have been taken into account. Walmart has tons of racism and sexism lawsuits yearly, so by your limited scope, they are a racist company. When you deal with a great amount of people, shit happens. Was he out of line? sure, in some cases. He's an asshole, what do you expect? The Judge Curiel one, nope. The dudes Mexican so now it's racist to say it? It was about judging fairly in that case. Nothing wrong with making sure laws are upheld. And you know that but something tells me it doesn't matter. I'll bet you are always on the moral high ground huh "chickenshit"?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: PukeSter on 08/23/2017, 03:00 PM
Post by: PukeSter on 08/23/2017, 03:00 PM
Left vs Right, it's a constant battle. But Trump is far worse than your typical politician.
Conservatives, stop trying to protect Donny J. He's a blustering narcissist who wasn't even a "conservative" until a few years ago. He can't even get anything done despite Republicans owning all three Branches.
The ride has been fun but it's time to stop. Put Pence in the Oval Office. Regardless what you think of him, at least he won't make our nation look "Sad!"
Conservatives, stop trying to protect Donny J. He's a blustering narcissist who wasn't even a "conservative" until a few years ago. He can't even get anything done despite Republicans owning all three Branches.
The ride has been fun but it's time to stop. Put Pence in the Oval Office. Regardless what you think of him, at least he won't make our nation look "Sad!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 03:51 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/23/2017, 03:51 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PMAs I stated, every instance if different. But why play this game? A dude lives in your head rent free daily that you despise. You call him orange, he doesn't know you exist. You call him racist, and he doesn't hear it. See, you are insignificant. But keep screaming, your fans love it.Maybe he doesn't care about me personally, but he sure as hell is peeing in his cheerios over polls, protests, and all other forms of criticism. He's such a fragile bitch.
Besides, I enjoy getting under your skin. Bring the tears, chickenshit!
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PMI didn't ignore your statistics.Sure ya did, liar. You didn't acknowledge the point in at all before now.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PMOk so they do less criminal offenses, that wasn't the point, but you wanted to try to twist it up so you actually had a point. They do not belong here. If you don't have a dog but the neighbor does and lets it shit in your yard, why do you have the burden of cleaning it up? There is nothing wrong calling out people who DO NOT belong here for causing problems and costing US money. Too bad if they get insulted. His quote was clearly talking about the bad apples, but stretching the reality is a great way to manufacture some more outrage!!It most certainly was a part of your point, and I conceded that maybe that instance wasn't racism but others were.... which you also ignored because you're a chickenshit.
It's hard to say it's not even mildly based on race or nation, though, seeing as Trump focuses so hard on Mexico and almost completely ignores the Canadian border, overstayed visas, etc. Only about half of illegal immigrants are Mexican, so why aren't the others a threat?
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PMYup all of that and the above and RS article have been taken into account. Walmart has tons of racism and sexism lawsuits yearly, so by your limited scope, they are a racist company. When you deal with a great amount of people, shit happens. Was he out of line? sure, in some cases. He's an asshole, what do you expect?Cherry pick the one thing that you can blame on a faceless company (which he ruled with an iron fist, making it impossible for him to be blameless in the matter), and ignore most of the other personal examples. Chickenshittery at its finest!
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PMThe Judge Curiel one, nope. The dudes Mexican so now it's racist to say it? It was about judging fairly in that case. Nothing wrong with making sure laws are upheld. And you know that but something tells me it doesn't matter.It's racist because Trump said Curiel was incapable of doing his job for no reason other than him being Mexican. I shouldn't have to explain it to you.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:36 PMI'll bet you are always on the moral high ground huh "chickenshit"?Hardly. I know I'm flawed, but unlike you and Trumplethinskin, I'm capable admitting mistakes and owning my shittiness.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 07:57 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 07:57 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:16 PMActually, I assumed that you just missed it so I asked again. I wouldn't have bothered repeating myself except shortly afterward my post you said...Quote from: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 01:51 PMNo response before so I guess I'll ask again.Sorry, didn't see this. The more important question is, what kind of person are YOU to assume silence means acceptance?
Would you consider the Americans who seig heiled while they marched with Swastikas on their arms in Charlottesville deplorable? Do you, itsatarp, deplore them?
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMThe simple fact that you see nothing wrong with her calling ANY legal American tax paying citizen deplorable while trying to convince people she should lead this nation, speaks volumes. It's about respect, something you seem to have no concern for.At that point I figured it was worth clarifying.
I think that when people are legitimately wearing Nazi trappings they are deplorable. I don't care what your job is, they are deplorable. You can try to turn it around on me if you want but I asked a question out of legitimate curiosity. Then, rather than disavowing these deplorable white supremacists, you ignored it and instead doubled down on how wrong people being called deplorable is provided that they are a taxpayer.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:16 PMBut to answer your question, fuck them. NAACP, BLM, Feminists, Antifa, UNCF, KKK, the far out crazy rightwing people that all for militias, Hannity (lol), hell, and special interest group all do nothing but divide. All of them. If you want an end to racism, sexism, and isms in general, none of them should exist. But it will never happen.Perhaps I can help you on what people dislike about this whole "many many sides" thing; maybe I'm wrong here but it seems you just don't get it. There is no equivalency between Nazis and anyone you can name that has been involved in any events in my lifetime in America. Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's attacks on September 11th are not remotely as vile as Nazis. If you want something to compare with Nazis, you'd need to look to much greater evils like Pol Pot or Stalin.
I don't consider these deplorable United Statesmen as actual Nazis. I think Nazi Sympathizer is a better term as these guys weren't in the army that my (and quite possibly your) grandfathers took up arms against. That said, sympathizing with people who killed 9 million Jews is deplorable. Standing alongside people who sympathize with these people is deplorable. Not leaving as soon as you realize that these guys aren't a ridiculous and crazy minority but instead a sizable block of your protest is deplorable. Everyone on the side of "Freedom of the Press" at Charlottesville was deplorable.
When I asked you if they were deplorable you responded simply "fuck em." That's fine and probably a good enough answer (though imo the best answer would be a simple "Yes, they are deplorable"). Instead of patting yourself on the back showing that you're definitely on the right side of that one, immediately after saying "fuck em" you compare Nazi Sympathizers to the NAACP. The NAACP was founded in 1909, the same year that this article (http://www.blackpast.org/1909-ida-b-wells-awful-slaughter) was written. You are equating an organization that was arguing that people in America shouldn't be lynched with people who shout "Heil Hitler!" while saluting with a swastika cockaded arm.
An organization that killed almost .5% of the world's population entirely because of their religious heritage cannot be compared to antifa, or BLM, or virtually anyone without a gross amount of exaggeration or false equivalency. Nazis being as bad as they are is why it is generally considered bad form to bring them up as a comparison in an argument/discussion. And allow me to be clear; I'm not saying that 2 groups of protesters meeting in a park and having a brawl is an acceptable thing in modern society. In this case, however, a large portion of one of the groups identifies with Nazis. If you identify with Nazis you are worse; Nazis are worse than anything you're likely to name.
When you say something along the lines of "Nazis? Fuck them" and then start listing all the other groups you don't like you are, in essence, accepting that Nazis and the others are equal. You are either showing how you do not really dislike Nazis or you are so blind and contemptuous that you think that the groups you listed are actually as bad as a group of people who killed millions of jews in gas chambers. When you say mention feminists, well, yes I do believe that modern feminism is often rather silly at best but they are not comparable to Nazis.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 07:58 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 07:58 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 03:51 PMQuoteMaybe he doesn't care about me personally, but he sure as hell is peeing in his cheerios over polls, protests, and all other forms of criticism. He's such a fragile bitch.That he is, no disagreement there.QuoteBesides, I enjoy getting under your skin. Bring the tears, chickenshit!From how I have seen you on here, you don't posses the traits needed to get under my skin.QuoteSure ya did, liar. You didn't acknowledge the point in at all before now.I am a busy man, even have to check my fan thread now. I miss a few things what can I say.QuoteIt most certainly was a part of your point, and I conceded that maybe that instance wasn't racism but others were.... which you also ignored because you're a chickenshit.Because a lot of illegals are coming through Mexico from other countries. This has been discussed multiple times. Mexico acknowledges Central America is a problem for them and us. Mexico is the gateway. A smart person sees the problem, identifies it, and then works to solve it. That is what's being done. Canada will be a problem soon, but the focus is on the exact problem now. Instead of crying about racism non stop, you should see what things are really about.
It's hard to say it's not even mildly based on race or nation, though, seeing as Trump focuses so hard on Mexico and almost completely ignores the Canadian border, overstayed visas, etc. Only about half of illegal immigrants are Mexican, so why aren't the others a threat?QuoteCherry pick the one thing that you can blame on a faceless company (which he ruled with an iron fist, making it impossible for him to be blameless in the matter), and ignore most of the other personal examples. Chickenshittery at its finest!I ignored them because only 1 of them, is actually racist. Judge Joe, contempt of court for upholding Federal Law. It is very reasonable that when cracking down on illegals, you wouldn't profile blacks, whites, Asians, indians. Probably Latinos and mexicans because, ya know, those are the ones that seem to be illegally crossing the most.
Trumps dad at KKK rally. It has not been proven, to my knowledge his father was part of the KKK. Again, stretching your ass off here. Not racist.
Khizr Khan's mom. Totally ignorant and disrespectful comment. Uncalled for and immature. Assuming she could speak because of how women are treated as dogs under sharia law is common. Not racist. Total asshole move though.
Discriminatory lawsuits. I will not pass judgement. 2 sides to every story and businesses are targets for lawsuits that otherwise would gain no traction.
Central Park 5. Because they were black, Latino and women were white, and he did what he did, does not equate to racism. He said nothing even remotely close. If anything he rushed to judgement. Imagine that. He gets blasted for reacting too soon, but then not reacting soon enough at another time. If anything, you provided nothing but more manufactured hatred, imagined racism, and many reasons not worth commenting on.QuoteIt's racist because Trump said Curiel was incapable of doing his job for no reason other than him being Mexican. I shouldn't have to explain it to you.He indeed did question the ability to follow the law unbiased because of his involvement in the Trump University case. Trumps comments were total dick. Trump stretched a bit, which you should recognize easily, by saying the Judge would be unfair because of the wall and the Judge having strong ties to mexico. He most certainly did antagonize him! I am a fair person, you got this one right.
Obama Birth, lol. OMG obama was black and trump is white and questioned his legitimacy. It can only be RACISM!!!!!! Racism! Racism!!!! Racism! Racism! Racism!
1 out of 7QuoteHardly. I know I'm flawed, but unlike you and Trumplethinskin, I'm capable admitting mistakes and owning my shittiness.Hmmm
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 08:08 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 08:08 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 07:57 PMI understand your points perfectly. And I do get it, but to me, this all falls under the picking up a turd by the clean end. The atrocities of the Nazis are the darkest time I can think of in recent history. I don't for a minute think that 1 race is superior. But I don't think hate of any kind is just a little better than another. They all start somewhere. Nip them in the bud, all of them so we don't have another atrocity on our hands again. We still do though and turn our backs to it every day. It's hard to convince me that anyone denouncing anything is genuine when there is still slavery in the world, human trafficking, leaders killing their own by the thousands, etc. All of the denouncing shit, proven by the reaction to Charlottesville by Trump, is all politicized. I think there are many out there that see it the same as me. Words aren't fixing it and no action taken, so if it walks like BS and smells like BS, it's probably BS.Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:16 PMActually, I assumed that you just missed it so I asked again. I wouldn't have bothered repeating myself except shortly afterward my post you said...Quote from: seieienbu on 08/23/2017, 01:51 PMNo response before so I guess I'll ask again.Sorry, didn't see this. The more important question is, what kind of person are YOU to assume silence means acceptance?
Would you consider the Americans who seig heiled while they marched with Swastikas on their arms in Charlottesville deplorable? Do you, itsatarp, deplore them?Quote from: itsatarp on 08/22/2017, 11:42 PMThe simple fact that you see nothing wrong with her calling ANY legal American tax paying citizen deplorable while trying to convince people she should lead this nation, speaks volumes. It's about respect, something you seem to have no concern for.At that point I figured it was worth clarifying.
I think that when people are legitimately wearing Nazi trappings they are deplorable. I don't care what your job is, they are deplorable. You can try to turn it around on me if you want but I asked a question out of legitimate curiosity. Then, rather than disavowing these deplorable white supremacists, you ignored it and instead doubled down on how wrong people being called deplorable is provided that they are a taxpayer.Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 02:16 PMBut to answer your question, fuck them. NAACP, BLM, Feminists, Antifa, UNCF, KKK, the far out crazy rightwing people that all for militias, Hannity (lol), hell, and special interest group all do nothing but divide. All of them. If you want an end to racism, sexism, and isms in general, none of them should exist. But it will never happen.Perhaps I can help you on what people dislike about this whole "many many sides" thing; maybe I'm wrong here but it seems you just don't get it. There is no equivalency between Nazis and anyone you can name that has been involved in any events in my lifetime in America. Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's attacks on September 11th are not remotely as vile as Nazis. If you want something to compare with Nazis, you'd need to look to much greater evils like Pol Pot or Stalin.
I don't consider these deplorable United Statesmen as actual Nazis. I think Nazi Sympathizer is a better term as these guys weren't in the army that my (and quite possibly your) grandfathers took up arms against. That said, sympathizing with people who killed 9 million Jews is deplorable. Standing alongside people who sympathize with these people is deplorable. Not leaving as soon as you realize that these guys aren't a ridiculous and crazy minority but instead a sizable block of your protest is deplorable. Everyone on the side of "Freedom of the Press" at Charlottesville was deplorable.
When I asked you if they were deplorable you responded simply "fuck em." That's fine and probably a good enough answer (though imo the best answer would be a simple "Yes, they are deplorable"). Instead of patting yourself on the back showing that you're definitely on the right side of that one, immediately after saying "fuck em" you compare Nazi Sympathizers to the NAACP. The NAACP was founded in 1909, the same year that this article (http://www.blackpast.org/1909-ida-b-wells-awful-slaughter) was written. You are equating an organization that was arguing that people in America shouldn't be lynched with people who shout "Heil Hitler!" while saluting with a swastika cockaded arm.
An organization that killed almost .5% of the world's population entirely because of their religious heritage cannot be compared to antifa, or BLM, or virtually anyone without a gross amount of exaggeration or false equivalency. Nazis being as bad as they are is why it is generally considered bad form to bring them up as a comparison in an argument/discussion. And allow me to be clear; I'm not saying that 2 groups of protesters meeting in a park and having a brawl is an acceptable thing in modern society. In this case, however, a large portion of one of the groups identifies with Nazis. If you identify with Nazis you are worse; Nazis are worse than anything you're likely to name.
When you say something along the lines of "Nazis? Fuck them" and then start listing all the other groups you don't like you are, in essence, accepting that Nazis and the others are equal. You are either showing how you do not really dislike Nazis or you are so blind and contemptuous that you think that the groups you listed are actually as bad as a group of people who killed millions of jews in gas chambers. When you say that feminists Why yes, I do believe that modern feminism is often rather silly at best but they are not comparable to Nazis.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PM
I think the whole Nazi KKK thing is a nice boogeyman. These groups haven't been relevant or influential in decades. Are they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.
Charlottesville is the failure of the city/town officials, and police. Both sides, extreme left/extreme right, showed up to fight. Had they kept the group's separated, it would have played out differently.
Charlottesville is the failure of the city/town officials, and police. Both sides, extreme left/extreme right, showed up to fight. Had they kept the group's separated, it would have played out differently.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 11:53 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 11:53 AM
The chickenshit can't even use quotes properly. What a maroon!
I won't bother going through each and explaining why they're racist or at least give an appearance of racial bias (the Least Racist Person Evah! would never do things that look even remotely racist), but you're clearly ignorant of Trump's history and don't really understand what racism is anyway.
Trump sure is pissed about McConnell and Ryan not passing legislation. I guess Trump's too busy flip flopping on Afghanistan and pissing away our tax dollars on the campaign trail and golfing for him to actually help them draft something good.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 07:58 PMBecause a lot of illegals are coming through Mexico from other countries. This has been discussed multiple times. Mexico acknowledges Central America is a problem for them and us. Mexico is the gateway. A smart person sees the problem, identifies it, and then works to solve it. That is what's being done. Canada will be a problem soon, but the focus is on the exact problem now. Instead of crying about racism non stop, you should see what things are really about.It's true that another 20% of illegal immigrants are from central and south american countries, but not all of them come over land through Mexico and cross illegally (many overstay visas or vacation in Canada and head south). Any way you slice it, more than a third of illegal immigrants are basically being ignored, but I guess they don't matter and aren't possibly a threat because they're not Mexican.... but that's not possibly racist. :lol:
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 07:58 PMI ignored them because only 1 of them, is actually racist.One is enough to prove that he's hardly the "least racist person on earth". Even you now agree he's at least mildly racist, so maybe there's hope for you deplorables yet. :wink:
I won't bother going through each and explaining why they're racist or at least give an appearance of racial bias (the Least Racist Person Evah! would never do things that look even remotely racist), but you're clearly ignorant of Trump's history and don't really understand what racism is anyway.
Trump sure is pissed about McConnell and Ryan not passing legislation. I guess Trump's too busy flip flopping on Afghanistan and pissing away our tax dollars on the campaign trail and golfing for him to actually help them draft something good.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 08/24/2017, 02:12 PM
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 08/24/2017, 02:12 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PMI think the whole Nazi KKK thing is a nice boogeyman. These groups haven't been relevant or influential in decades. Are they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Yes, but what about the Alt-Left?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/24/2017, 02:16 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/24/2017, 02:16 PM
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 08/24/2017, 02:12 PMAre they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PMI think the whole Nazi KKK thing is a nice boogeyman. These groups haven't been relevant or influential in decades. Are they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Yes, but what about the Alt-Left?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 08/24/2017, 03:32 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 08/24/2017, 03:32 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 02:16 PMShould they be compared to literal Nazis? No. Doing so is false equivalence and normalizes Nazi sympathizers.Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 08/24/2017, 02:12 PMAre they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PMI think the whole Nazi KKK thing is a nice boogeyman. These groups haven't been relevant or influential in decades. Are they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Yes, but what about the Alt-Left?
One group wants to kill all the Jews and make a whites only nation.
A second group wants that first group to shut up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/24/2017, 03:56 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/24/2017, 03:56 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 08/24/2017, 03:32 PMWell the ones that show up toting communist flags and paraphernalia are no better than Nazis in my book. History is littered with the dead from communist regimes.Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 02:16 PMShould they be compared to literal Nazis? No. Doing so is false equivalence and normalizes Nazi sympathizers.Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 08/24/2017, 02:12 PMAre they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PMI think the whole Nazi KKK thing is a nice boogeyman. These groups haven't been relevant or influential in decades. Are they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Yes, but what about the Alt-Left?
One group wants to kill all the Jews and make a whites only nation.
A second group wants that first group to shut up.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 04:07 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 04:07 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 03:56 PMJust to play devil's advocate here, but the US is also responsible for the massacre of an untold number of Native Americans. Does that mean you are ashamed of the our flag, too?Quote from: seieienbu on 08/24/2017, 03:32 PMWell the ones that show up toting communist flags and paraphernalia are no better than Nazis in my book. History is littered with the dead from communist regimes.Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 02:16 PMShould they be compared to literal Nazis? No. Doing so is false equivalence and normalizes Nazi sympathizers.Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 08/24/2017, 02:12 PMAre they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PMI think the whole Nazi KKK thing is a nice boogeyman. These groups haven't been relevant or influential in decades. Are they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Yes, but what about the Alt-Left?
One group wants to kill all the Jews and make a whites only nation.
A second group wants that first group to shut up.
Surely we can separate ideology (communism, democracy, Naziism) from implementations of those ideologies (USA, USSR), no?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 04:22 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 04:22 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 04:07 PMSurely we can separate ideology (communism, democracy, Naziism) from implementations of those ideologies (USA, USSR), no?If 'Naziism' is a thing, it can't be separated from the Nazis. You'd have to say Nazis were implementations of nationalism, racisim, sexism, expansionism, and totalitarianism, anti communism / capitalism / religion (some).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 05:28 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 05:28 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 04:22 PMI was thinking specifically "white supremacy", but you're right.Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 04:07 PMSurely we can separate ideology (communism, democracy, Naziism) from implementations of those ideologies (USA, USSR), no?If 'Naziism' is a thing, it can't be separated from the Nazis. You'd have to say Nazis were implementations of nationalism, racisim, sexism, expansionism, and totalitarianism, anti communism / capitalism / religion (some).
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/24/2017, 05:49 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/24/2017, 05:49 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 04:07 PMNot a historical footnote to be proud of for sure. I am not ashamed of our country though. 1. I wasn't alive, so why should I bear the guilt? 2. Overall, I feel we have learned from our historical mistakes, and have improved as a country.Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 03:56 PMJust to play devil's advocate here, but the US is also responsible for the massacre of an untold number of Native Americans. Does that mean you are ashamed of the our flag, too?Quote from: seieienbu on 08/24/2017, 03:32 PMWell the ones that show up toting communist flags and paraphernalia are no better than Nazis in my book. History is littered with the dead from communist regimes.Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 02:16 PMShould they be compared to literal Nazis? No. Doing so is false equivalence and normalizes Nazi sympathizers.Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 08/24/2017, 02:12 PMAre they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Quote from: guest on 08/23/2017, 08:37 PMI think the whole Nazi KKK thing is a nice boogeyman. These groups haven't been relevant or influential in decades. Are they deplorable... Yes. Do they have the right to assemble and espouse their views... Yes.Yes, but what about the Alt-Left?
One group wants to kill all the Jews and make a whites only nation.
A second group wants that first group to shut up.
Surely we can separate ideology (communism, democracy, Naziism) from implementations of those ideologies (USA, USSR), no?
Has there ever been a good or successful implementation of communism?It would be easier to separate ideology from implementation if there was at least 1 shining example that it can work.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 05:56 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 05:56 PM
There are plenty of instances of it working on a small scale. The issue becomes one of national policy. You and I may not agree with everything China does, but they're very successful.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 06:08 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 06:08 PM
Successful but communist in name only.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 06:43 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/24/2017, 06:43 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 08/24/2017, 06:08 PMSuccessful but communist in name only.It's a mixed system, like every other system. We've also never seen a successful "pure capitalist" society either.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 11:52 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 11:52 AM
Quote from: guest on 08/24/2017, 11:53 AMThe chickenshit can't even use quotes properly. What a maroon!Oh no's. I messed up quotes!! You, billy bad ass, are one ITG for calling that out! Typical lefty, making something out of nothing and then acting righteous for doing so. Did you check all the spelling too?Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 07:58 PMBecause a lot of illegals are coming through Mexico from other countries. This has been discussed multiple times. Mexico acknowledges Central America is a problem for them and us. Mexico is the gateway. A smart person sees the problem, identifies it, and then works to solve it. That is what's being done. Canada will be a problem soon, but the focus is on the exact problem now. Instead of crying about racism non stop, you should see what things are really about.It's true that another 20% of illegal immigrants are from central and south american countries, but not all of them come over land through Mexico and cross illegally (many overstay visas or vacation in Canada and head south). Any way you slice it, more than a third of illegal immigrants are basically being ignored, but I guess they don't matter and aren't possibly a threat because they're not Mexican.... but that's not possibly racist. :lol:Quote from: itsatarp on 08/23/2017, 07:58 PMI ignored them because only 1 of them, is actually racist.One is enough to prove that he's hardly the "least racist person on earth". Even you now agree he's at least mildly racist, so maybe there's hope for you deplorables yet. :wink:
I won't bother going through each and explaining why they're racist or at least give an appearance of racial bias (the Least Racist Person Evah! would never do things that look even remotely racist), but you're clearly ignorant of Trump's history and don't really understand what racism is anyway.
Trump sure is pissed about McConnell and Ryan not passing legislation. I guess Trump's too busy flip flopping on Afghanistan and pissing away our tax dollars on the campaign trail and golfing for him to actually help them draft something good.
Hope for me for what? I don't fear the truth. You don't even know where I stand on most things. I don't think trump is as vile as you and can objectively handle things.
I would prefer you not try to explain all of your logical fallacies, I could get them all from Vox anyways. Keep flying your racism banner over anything you can, it's enjoyable watching the left expose themselves and their intention daily.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/25/2017, 12:12 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/25/2017, 12:12 PM
A certain dumb cunt still hasn't it figured it out that I'm a right leaning moderate that usually votes Republican. Guess what chucklefuck - you don't have to be an alt-left communist to disagree with Trump, recognize his lies for what they are, and realize that the piece of shit is accomplishing very little while further dividing the country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/25/2017, 12:14 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/25/2017, 12:14 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 11:52 AMOh no's. I messed up quotes!! You, billy bad ass, are one ITG for calling that out! Typical lefty, making something out of nothing and then acting righteous for doing so. Did you check all the spelling too?I love this. "Ha! You don't even know me. That's why I refuse to engage with you any more. I win!" It's how you know someone isn't even serious about debating, they only want to argue and insult.
Hope for me for what? I don't fear the truth. You don't even know where I stand on most things. I don't think trump is as vile as you and can objectively handle things.
I would prefer you not try to explain all of your logical fallacies, I could get them all from Vox anyways. Keep flying your racism banner over anything you can, it's enjoyable watching the left expose themselves and their intention daily.
It was a trap all along.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 12:54 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 12:54 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/25/2017, 12:14 PM. Read it again. He claimed I was chicken shit for not answering, when I did, he said he had no need to respond because ya know, he has to be right. And I was thankful to not see him stretch to make explanations. So yea, you got it pretty wrong. That was your boys play.Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 11:52 AMOh no's. I messed up quotes!! You, billy bad ass, are one ITG for calling that out! Typical lefty, making something out of nothing and then acting righteous for doing so. Did you check all the spelling too?I love this. "Ha! You don't even know me. That's why I refuse to engage with you any more. I win!" It's how you know someone isn't even serious about debating, they only want to argue and insult.
Hope for me for what? I don't fear the truth. You don't even know where I stand on most things. I don't think trump is as vile as you and can objectively handle things.
I would prefer you not try to explain all of your logical fallacies, I could get them all from Vox anyways. Keep flying your racism banner over anything you can, it's enjoyable watching the left expose themselves and their intention daily.
It was a trap all along.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 01:06 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 01:06 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/25/2017, 12:12 PMA certain dumb cunt still hasn't it figured it out that I'm a right leaning moderate that usually votes Republican. Guess what chucklefuck - you don't have to be an alt-left communist to disagree with Trump, recognize his lies for what they are, and realize that the piece of shit is accomplishing very little while further dividing the country.Wooohooo, dumb cunt!! Chucklefuck!! Brilliant. Dude, you are the most bad ass keyboard commando on any video game forum ever. Holy shit, we got a Turbo Rambo up in this bitch!
And you haven't figured out I am straight down the middle. I like facts, not stretching of the truth. I don't like either the left or right. But I can say even though Obama was a useless piece of crap that damaged the world, he was a great speaker. But, OTOH, I see what trump wants to do with immigration, small business, big business, Military, tax cuts, the joke of the ACA, controlling the EPA as all great things. And on all of them, he has at least not forgotten that he would try to improve all of those. Some of them, actually have been done.The useless congressman are the swamp, in both parties, and that is where all of the problems begin.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: turboswimbz on 08/25/2017, 02:14 PM
Post by: turboswimbz on 08/25/2017, 02:14 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 08/25/2017, 02:11 PMahhh the old Nulltard meter. I wonder what old MR. Jermery has to say on the topic . . .QuoteAnd you haven't figured out I am straight down the middle. I like facts, not stretching of the truth. I don't like either the left or right. But I can say even though Obama was a useless piece of crap that damaged the world...Lol... Yeah, you sound straight down the middle.
douche |----------------X----------------| retard
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 02:30 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 02:30 PM
Quote from: Nulltard on 08/25/2017, 02:11 PMI've been beat with experience I guessQuoteAnd you haven't figured out I am straight down the middle. I like facts, not stretching of the truth. I don't like either the left or right. But I can say even though Obama was a useless piece of crap that damaged the world...Lol... Yeah, you sound straight down the middle.
douche |----------------X----------------| retard
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/25/2017, 04:04 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/25/2017, 04:04 PM
Enter keys and message breaks are for suckers. Keep double posting like a boss. :lol:
The "chickenshit" thing was mirroring your own comments. Like your typical Trumptard POS, you're a giant hypocrite calling out others for shit you're doing yourself (including the use of vulgar insults and name calling).
As for me not explaining why each of those instances is racist, what's the point of arguing with someone that doesn't even understand the definition of racism? If your stance is that racial stereotypes and racial profiling aren't racist, you can't be reasoned with. Besides, those points were refuting your foolish claim that Trump was never accused of being racist until recently; whether they prove he's racist or not, you're dead wrong on that score.
Welcome to Fighting Street, bitch.
Nor do I care. I've labeled you as a moron and a Trump apologist not as an alt-right neocon.
Immigration: Hiring more border agents is good, but even the agents say the wall is dumb. It'll cost billions and trample the rights of land owners and ultimately do nothing; they'll go over/under it, cross at roads/rails, enter through waterways, etc. anyway. Deportations of some immigrants is also good, but I see no good in deporting law abiding people that work, pay property taxes, etc. Why not allow them to stay and become US citizens after they've lived here for decades, been schooled, had kids, etc.?
Big/Small Business: Is there anything specific to businesses that's not a part of other issues listed here? Maybe his plans to relax rules on banks, but that's another mixed bag: small banks could use relief and they weren't part of the original problem, but I disagree 100% with getting rid of the rules altogether and giving the big banks a free ride. Or maybe pulling out of trade agreements, but those again help as much as they hurt.
Military: We shouldn't have to spend more to have a robust military; we already spend far more than any other country, so why are we ill equipped and unprepared? No other army is of comparable size, has as advanced equipment, and spends more time on training; the problem is how the money is spent on things not needed, so more money isn't the answer. Also, he's flip-flopped on getting us more involved in other countries' affairs, the transgender ban has hurt recruitment and retainment (admittedly not substantially), and proposed welfare program cuts hurt lots of vets.
Taxes: Simplifying taxes would benefit everyone, but the tax cuts benefit mostly the wealthy and will increase our debt substantially - all economists agree that Trump's claim that economic growth would offset his tax cuts is a pipe dream.
Healthcare: He's undermined ACA with uncertainty, has jackshit for a replacement program, and hasn't really helped congress with crafting a proposal that anyone likes.
EPA: Pulling out of the paris agreement means nothing, as it won't happen for four years and there were no penalties for not meeting goals. I agree that the EPA has gone too far in a few cases, I guess, but that doesn't warrant undoing everything they've done.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 12:54 PMRead it again. He claimed I was chicken shit for not answering, when I did, he said he had no need to respond because ya know, he has to be right. And I was thankful to not see him stretch to make explanations. So yea, you got it pretty wrong. That was your boys play.
The "chickenshit" thing was mirroring your own comments. Like your typical Trumptard POS, you're a giant hypocrite calling out others for shit you're doing yourself (including the use of vulgar insults and name calling).
As for me not explaining why each of those instances is racist, what's the point of arguing with someone that doesn't even understand the definition of racism? If your stance is that racial stereotypes and racial profiling aren't racist, you can't be reasoned with. Besides, those points were refuting your foolish claim that Trump was never accused of being racist until recently; whether they prove he's racist or not, you're dead wrong on that score.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 01:06 PMWooohooo, dumb cunt!! Chucklefuck!! Brilliant. Dude, you are the most bad ass keyboard commando on any video game forum ever. Holy shit, we got a Turbo Rambo up in this bitch!
Welcome to Fighting Street, bitch.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 01:06 PMAnd you haven't figured out I am straight down the middle.
Nor do I care. I've labeled you as a moron and a Trump apologist not as an alt-right neocon.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 01:06 PMI like facts, not stretching of the truth.And yet you love Trump, the guy that lies and stretches the truth like nobody else. You must mean you like alternate facts. :lol:
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 01:06 PMI don't like either the left or right. But I can say even though Obama was a useless piece of crap that damaged the world, he was a great speaker. But, OTOH, I see what trump wants to do with immigration, small business, big business, Military, tax cuts, the joke of the ACA, controlling the EPA as all great things. And on all of them, he has at least not forgotten that he would try to improve all of those. Some of them, actually have been done.I agree with wanting to fix all those things, but I disagree with most of his implementations, or lack thereof in some cases.
Immigration: Hiring more border agents is good, but even the agents say the wall is dumb. It'll cost billions and trample the rights of land owners and ultimately do nothing; they'll go over/under it, cross at roads/rails, enter through waterways, etc. anyway. Deportations of some immigrants is also good, but I see no good in deporting law abiding people that work, pay property taxes, etc. Why not allow them to stay and become US citizens after they've lived here for decades, been schooled, had kids, etc.?
Big/Small Business: Is there anything specific to businesses that's not a part of other issues listed here? Maybe his plans to relax rules on banks, but that's another mixed bag: small banks could use relief and they weren't part of the original problem, but I disagree 100% with getting rid of the rules altogether and giving the big banks a free ride. Or maybe pulling out of trade agreements, but those again help as much as they hurt.
Military: We shouldn't have to spend more to have a robust military; we already spend far more than any other country, so why are we ill equipped and unprepared? No other army is of comparable size, has as advanced equipment, and spends more time on training; the problem is how the money is spent on things not needed, so more money isn't the answer. Also, he's flip-flopped on getting us more involved in other countries' affairs, the transgender ban has hurt recruitment and retainment (admittedly not substantially), and proposed welfare program cuts hurt lots of vets.
Taxes: Simplifying taxes would benefit everyone, but the tax cuts benefit mostly the wealthy and will increase our debt substantially - all economists agree that Trump's claim that economic growth would offset his tax cuts is a pipe dream.
Healthcare: He's undermined ACA with uncertainty, has jackshit for a replacement program, and hasn't really helped congress with crafting a proposal that anyone likes.
EPA: Pulling out of the paris agreement means nothing, as it won't happen for four years and there were no penalties for not meeting goals. I agree that the EPA has gone too far in a few cases, I guess, but that doesn't warrant undoing everything they've done.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 01:06 PMThe useless congressman are the swamp, in both parties, and that is where all of the problems begin.I agree that congress sucks, but Trump is just making it worse. Like 'em or not, he must work with Congress to pass legislation; bitching, name calling, and constant threats of fighting their re-election bids won't forward your agenda.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/25/2017, 09:10 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/25/2017, 09:10 PM
And now Joe Arpaio...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/25/2017, 04:04 PMEnter keys and message breaks are for suckers. Keep double posting like a boss. :lol:I understand clearly what racism is. It doesn't include things that have been said that someone doesn't like or is sensitive to, by a person of a different race. Trying to connect dots that can't be connected unless you fill in a lot of blanks, read between the lines, or redefine the description you are trying to use, doesn't make it true. And you are 100% correct, Trump was accused of it before, doesn't make it true.
The "chickenshit" thing was mirroring your own comments. Like your typical Trumptard POS, you're a giant hypocrite calling out others for shit you're doing yourself (including the use of vulgar insults and name calling).
As for me not explaining why each of those instances is racist, what's the point of arguing with someone that doesn't even understand the definition of racism? If your stance is that racial stereotypes and racial profiling aren't racist, you can't be reasoned with. Besides, those points were refuting your foolish claim that Trump was never accused of being racist until recently; whether they prove he's racist or not, you're dead wrong on that score.
QuoteWelcome to Fighting Street, bitch.Not impressed. I go to many 100% unmoderated forums. If somebody used the word chucklefuck, the abuse would be relentless. I guess on here it may be as cool as collectard, but it's difficult not to imagine some creepy dude who gets overly excited when they look at anime girls using a word like that. But what do I know.
I don't care what anyone has called me. It's the mob mentality here. It's the only thing that keeps this place somewhat relevant. You guys all do the same shit to any individual that doesn't contribute any value to the mob or doesn't adhere to that mentality anywhere on this forum. You guys have your tongues so far up each other asses that I'm sure you carve your initials in tomorrows turds daily. You do it all the time. Should I watch what I say to them? Lol, ok. Look how vile the mob gets over cardboard boxes. The standards are really low here, I can meet them.
QuoteNor do I care. I've labeled you as a moron and a Trump apologist not as an alt-right neocon.Nor do I care. Like above, just because it's said, doesn't mean it is. Few people hold significance to me, someone talking about collectards chucklefucks wouldn't get near that list. At least we are clear on that.
QuoteAnd yet you love Trump, the guy that lies and stretches the truth like nobody else. You must mean you like alternate facts. :lol:
Lol, I didn't even vote for him. But yup, I like him. He has ideas, he has the constitution front and center, he loves this country. He isn't telling all of us to be ashamed to be something and that it's ok to be the best country, not an equal country. He wants laws upheld. No matter what a douche he may be, those are convictions I admire. I don't need to be ashamed or apologetic for that.QuoteI agree with wanting to fix all those things, but I disagree with most of his implementations, or lack thereof in some cases.I have no opinion on the wall, but securing the borders is crucial. I disagree on deporting law abiding people that have been here. I am sure your family, my family, everyone on this forums has some family I am sure that came over her and got citizenship the hard way, but legal and required way. If you have been here for years to work, pay taxes, etc but did not respect the legal citizens, or ancestors, or the laws of this country in all of those years by taking the necessary steps to be a legal citizen, then you should be deported. To be fair, in those cases, which I believe would be considered dreamers, it could be an expedited or simplified process. But, from here on out, you can't do it the right way, adios.
Immigration: Hiring more border agents is good, but even the agents say the wall is dumb. It'll cost billions and trample the rights of land owners and ultimately do nothing; they'll go over/under it, cross at roads/rails, enter through waterways, etc. anyway. Deportations of some immigrants is also good, but I see no good in deporting law abiding people that work, pay property taxes, etc. Why not allow them to stay and become US citizens after they've lived here for decades, been schooled, had kids, etc.?QuoteBig/Small Business: Is there anything specific to businesses that's not a part of other issues listed here? Maybe his plans to relax rules on banks, but that's another mixed bag: small banks could use relief and they weren't part of the original problem, but I disagree 100% with getting rid of the rules altogether and giving the big banks a free ride. Or maybe pulling out of trade agreements, but those again help as much as they hurt.Sure. EPA regulations is a big one, ACA, replacement would be another huge one, and giving businesses tax breaks/incentives will really help. I recall reading about different/more loans being available to people. While that isn't technically a Trump plan, his goal was to actually see they are put in place.QuoteMilitary: We shouldn't have to spend more to have a robust military; we already spend far more than any other country, so why are we ill equipped and unprepared? No other army is of comparable size, has as advanced equipment, and spends more time on training; the problem is how the money is spent on things not needed, so more money isn't the answer. Also, he's flip-flopped on getting us more involved in other countries' affairs, the transgender ban has hurt recruitment and retainment (admittedly not substantially), and proposed welfare program cuts hurt lots of vets.I was not thrilled with the MOAB thing. I get why it was done but I was disappointed that he didn't adhere to his words of no involvement. But, seeing kids gassed is shitty and kind of ties into to why denounce if you don't do anything about it? Excellent point about ill equipped. That was my main reason for pointing out his military ideas. We are in a different era of warfare, money will be needed to advance that, but frivolous spending needs to be done already. I don't care about transgenders. The wants of a few should not outweigh what is in the best interest for the majority. If the heads of the military branches are seeing them as distractions or causing unnecessary issues, kick them out. They can still do great things in the civilian world. He is on the Vets side, finally, someone is. I am not concerned with this aspect. He will try to do the right thing.QuoteTaxes: Simplifying taxes would benefit everyone, but the tax cuts benefit mostly the wealthy and will increase our debt substantially - all economists agree that Trump's claim that economic growth would offset his tax cuts is a pipe dream.Tax cuts will always benefit those who pay the most, the wealthy. I think he understands the needs for it for the middle class. In the business world, his offsets can work, but I agree, I don't see it happening as an offset.QuoteHealthcare: He's undermined ACA with uncertainty, has jackshit for a replacement program, and hasn't really helped congress with crafting a proposal that anyone likes.This isn't on him at all. This is the useless republicans doing nothing. Then the democrats unwillingness to do anything at all to work with anything. Not 1 of them, either side, has American citizens in their best interest. This is about resisting, party voting and generally being useless at their jobs. If they worked anywhere else, they would be unemployed in 1 day tops. ACA has been a burden. I don't think people that don't 100% pay for their own insurance understand that, or the poor who pay nothing for it. Believe me, the ones that do have the burden of it, are screwed.QuoteEPA: Pulling out of the paris agreement means nothing, as it won't happen for four years and there were no penalties for not meeting goals. I agree that the EPA has gone too far in a few cases, I guess, but that doesn't warrant undoing everything they've done.They haven't done anything except use politics to determine science to enact unreasonable, costly, non sense laws. And destroy many industries we used to have in this country. Why do they even get to make their own laws? They were left unchecked and unlimited funding for far too long. Paris agreement was a joke and a great step to keep the Promise of America first. We need coal, we need fossil fuels, we can do that in conjunction with using and evolving green energy. It isn't one or the other, because we can have it all.QuoteI agree that congress sucks, but Trump is just making it worse. Like 'em or not, he must work with Congress to pass legislation; bitching, name calling, and constant threats of fighting their re-election bids won't forward your agenda.We both know the Democrats will not work with him at all. Who doesn't like a good call out? You have enjoyed calling me out, I enjoy calling people out, and I think it's cool he does it. I don't think he does it enough. Call the deadbeats out for taking tax payer money and not working for the tax payer. Call them out for hurting all of us. If he already knows they will fight him tooth and nail every step, what does he have to lose? He is a fan of term limits, which would majorly help these exact problems, but how will he ever get these lumps to vote themselves out of life long leeching?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 08/26/2017, 08:46 PM
Post by: Gredler on 08/26/2017, 08:46 PM
Nazis are bad
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 08/26/2017, 08:56 PM
Post by: esteban on 08/26/2017, 08:56 PM
UPDATE: I guess it goes without saying that an administration answering to Pence is just as horrific, to me, as the current one.
Just saying.
YOU MAY RESUME.
:)
Just saying.
YOU MAY RESUME.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NoSexGex on 08/28/2017, 12:48 AM
Post by: NoSexGex on 08/28/2017, 12:48 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMFew people hold significance to medat edge
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 08/28/2017, 11:45 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 08/28/2017, 11:45 AM
What happened to our old resident nazi xray? He made cool signs...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/28/2017, 01:21 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/28/2017, 01:21 PM
Heh, more fucked up quotes. It's hard to get even the simple things right when you're a complete retard.
That's not racist at all, right? :roll:
Like I said, Trump must work with Congress to pass legislation and make lasting changes. Don't try to act like it doesn't matter, no different than you and me bitching at each other, as if either of us needs the other to ever do anything for them.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMI understand clearly what racism is. It doesn't include things that have been said that someone doesn't like or is sensitive to, by a person of a different race. Trying to connect dots that can't be connected unless you fill in a lot of blanks, read between the lines, or redefine the description you are trying to use, doesn't make it true."Black people love fried chicken!"
That's not racist at all, right? :roll:
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMAnd you are 100% correct, Trump was accused of it before, doesn't make it true.Hey, another admission that you were wrong. Good for you! It may take a few decades, but you might yet crawl out of that basket.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMNot impressed. I go to many 100% unmoderated forums. If somebody used the word chucklefuck, the abuse would be relentless. I guess on here it may be as cool as collectard, but it's difficult not to imagine some creepy dude who gets overly excited when they look at anime girls using a word like that. But what do I know.People that don't care don't have to say they don't care over and over and over again. Are you hoping if you say it enough times it'll be true?
I don't care what anyone has called me. It's the mob mentality here. It's the only thing that keeps this place somewhat relevant. You guys all do the same shit to any individual that doesn't contribute any value to the mob or doesn't adhere to that mentality anywhere on this forum. You guys have your tongues so far up each other asses that I'm sure you carve your initials in tomorrows turds daily. You do it all the time. Should I watch what I say to them? Lol, ok. Look how vile the mob gets over cardboard boxes. The standards are really low here, I can meet them.
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Nor do I care. Like above, just because it's said, doesn't mean it is. Few people hold significance to me, someone talking about collectards chucklefucks wouldn't get near that list. At least we are clear on that.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMLol, I didn't even vote for him. But yup, I like him. He has ideas....But too bad most of 'em are just basic ideas with no details on how they'll work or how to make them happen.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMHe has the constitution front and center....But not to follow and defend it. He's demonstrated contempt for the constitution repeatedly: threatening the freedom of the press, attacking the independence of the judicial branch, ignoring the emoluments clause, coercing cities and states to enforce federal immigration laws, obstructing justice, wanting to remove birthright citizenship, seizing foreign held monies, etc.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMHe loves this country....I'd argue he only loves the parts of it that align with his goals, but close enough?
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMHe isn't telling all of us to be ashamed to be something....Unless you're a white supremacist, antifa, mexican, an unattractive woman, a prisoner of war, a better business man than him, or simply disagree with Trump.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMAnd that it's ok to be the best country, not an equal country....Who's ever argued otherwise? Understanding fair trade and the realities of a global market does not mean that you're anti-America.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMHe wants laws upheld....Unless he disagrees with them, then he'll try to get the prosecutors to back off and then pardon the criminal before he's even been sentenced when they ignore him.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMNo matter what a douche he may be, those are convictions I admire. I don't need to be ashamed or apologetic for that.You need to buy a dictionary. A conviction is a firmly held belief, not a whim to apply only when convenient.
Quote from: itsatarp on 08/25/2017, 10:29 PMWe both know the Democrats will not work with him at all. Who doesn't like a good call out? You have enjoyed calling me out, I enjoy calling people out, and I think it's cool he does it. I don't think he does it enough. Call the deadbeats out for taking tax payer money and not working for the tax payer. Call them out for hurting all of us. If he already knows they will fight him tooth and nail every step, what does he have to lose? He is a fan of term limits, which would majorly help these exact problems, but how will he ever get these lumps to vote themselves out of life long leeching?He's attacking both sides of the aisle, dumbfuck. Try paying attention and maybe you won't look like such a fool.
Like I said, Trump must work with Congress to pass legislation and make lasting changes. Don't try to act like it doesn't matter, no different than you and me bitching at each other, as if either of us needs the other to ever do anything for them.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 08/28/2017, 11:45 AMWhat happened to our old resident nazi xray? He made cool signs...He changed his name to itsatarp. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 08/28/2017, 08:49 PM
Post by: Gredler on 08/28/2017, 08:49 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddd
Nazis.
Nazis.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 08/29/2017, 12:37 AM
Post by: OldRover on 08/29/2017, 12:37 AM
Fuck nazis. Fuck Antifa. Fuck Trump. Fuck all supremacists, no matter what color or gender they represent. Launch each and every one of them into the fucking sun. It'll keep the sun going for an extra 1000 years or so.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 08/29/2017, 08:15 AM
Post by: TheClash603 on 08/29/2017, 08:15 AM
The Sun = Yellow Supremacist
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/29/2017, 09:16 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/29/2017, 09:16 AM
I'm a robot supremacist. None of you meatbags can beat my golden fiddle skillz.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/29/2017, 07:51 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 08/29/2017, 07:51 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 08/29/2017, 12:37 AMFuck nazis. Fuck Antifa. Fuck Trump. Fuck all supremacists, no matter what color or gender they represent. Launch each and every one of them into the fucking sun. It'll keep the sun going for an extra 1000 years or so.He'll yeah! This!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 09:17 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 09:17 AM
Not that I support them, but antifa is not in the same category. They're not even a unified group. They're just people who want to stop fascism. The entire American military during WWII was "antifa", as we used violence to stop fascism.
While I don't agree with those who disrupt conservative or even Nazi talks, for example, at rallies anyone can tell you that the right in recent years has come fully armed and also ready to battle, so antifa is just meeting them on the same turf.
I kinda wish we still allowed gladiatorial combats so these Nazis and other groups can just duke it out there.
While I don't agree with those who disrupt conservative or even Nazi talks, for example, at rallies anyone can tell you that the right in recent years has come fully armed and also ready to battle, so antifa is just meeting them on the same turf.
I kinda wish we still allowed gladiatorial combats so these Nazis and other groups can just duke it out there.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/30/2017, 09:34 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/30/2017, 09:34 AM
Trump is now standing in a puddle acting like a president -- give me a break.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/30/2017, 03:31 PM
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/30/2017, 03:31 PM
I like how they are pointing out that none of his tweets address that people are drowning lol.
just 'oh man this is alot of water oh man we got alot of good people doing work here oh man were good'
just 'oh man this is alot of water oh man we got alot of good people doing work here oh man were good'
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 08/30/2017, 03:36 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 08/30/2017, 03:36 PM
'What a crowd, what a turnout!'
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 08/30/2017, 03:43 PM
Post by: OldRover on 08/30/2017, 03:43 PM
To be fair, it was Antifa who started the violence. The right-wingers are now coming armed because they already know that they will have to defend themselves against these thugs. It's pathetic that this is what it's come to... having to arm yourselves just to express your freedom of assembly. The great irony is that Antifa is fighting fascism... with fascism.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 07:13 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 07:13 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 08/30/2017, 03:43 PMRight-wingers were coming armed even before the Tea Party, where it accelerated after Obama's election. Antifa in the US post-dates was a reaction against that. They most certainly did not start the violence, and any measurement of right-wing v. left-wing violence in the past twenty years (and probably more) show a radically disproportionate number of terrorist acts by right-wing groups as compared to left-wing ones.Quote from: guest on 08/30/2017, 09:17 AMWhile I don't agree with those who disrupt conservative or even Nazi talks, for example, at rallies anyone can tell you that the right in recent years has come fully armed and also ready to battle, so antifa is just meeting them on the same turf.To be fair, it was Antifa who started the violence. The right-wingers are now coming armed because they already know that they will have to defend themselves against these thugs. It's pathetic that this is what it's come to... having to arm yourselves just to express your freedom of assembly. The great irony is that Antifa is fighting fascism... with fascism.
They're not the good guys, but there's a patently false history being told about them by the right.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 08/30/2017, 09:00 PM
Post by: OldRover on 08/30/2017, 09:00 PM
Nah, Antifa's been around way longer than that. The only reason people are just finding out about them now is because the media is lionizing them, giving them tons of press. Most people hadn't even heard of them prior to the Charlotte incident. These violent clashes between right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists have been going on for decades, just no one ever noticed unless they were directly involved. The media has latched onto this because they needed something new to sensationalize, like usual. While it is true that right-wing violence is more prevalent than left-wing violence, neither can be overlooked or justified. Violence is violence and it doesn't matter who you are or what side you represent when you do it. To me, Antifa is just as shitty as these f*cking neonazis. We need more people like Daryl Davis in this country.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 10:55 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 10:55 PM
Quote from: The Old Rover on 08/30/2017, 09:00 PMI'm aware that lefty extremists have been around for a very long time, but that doesn't make them "antifa."Quote from: guest on 08/30/2017, 07:13 PMRight-wingers were coming armed even before the Tea Party, where it accelerated after Obama's election. Antifa in the US post-dates was a reaction against that. They most certainly did not start the violence, and any measurement of right-wing v. left-wing violence in the past twenty years (and probably more) show a radically disproportionate number of terrorist acts by right-wing groups as compared to left-wing ones.Nah dude, Antifa's been around way longer than that. The only reason people are just finding out about them now is because the media is lionizing them, giving them tons of press. Most people hadn't even heard of them prior to the Charlotte incident. These violent clashes between right-wing extremists and left-wing extremists have been going on for decades, just no one ever noticed unless they were directly involved. The media has latched onto this because they needed something new to sensationalize, like usual. While it is true that right-wing violence is more prevalent than left-wing violence, neither can be overlooked or justified. Violence is violence and it doesn't matter who you are or what side you represent when you do it. To me, Antifa is just as shitty as these fucking neonazis. We need more people like Daryl Davis in this country.
They're not the good guys, but there's a patently false history being told about them by the right.
I will say restate (third time now, I think) that I do not condone their actions, violence to stop violence is much, much better morally than violence to oppress. Otherwise might as well be a pacifist, which I'm most certainly not. Let the tree-huggers preach peace, but I'm aware that "bad actors" (as the Republican refrain goes) are out there and want me dead. Orlando, Nice, London, 9/11, North Korea, Spain, it's pretty clear that, even when our actions contribute to it, they would try to harm us anyway.
Nazis are as bad as ISIS. Antifa, when used for the purpose of fighting fascism, are just wrongheaded; when used to silence the exercise of free speech, that's when I consider them just as bad. It's a fine line, but a line is definitely there.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/30/2017, 11:06 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/30/2017, 11:06 PM
Quote from: guest on 08/30/2017, 03:31 PMI like how they are pointing out that none of his tweets address that people are drowning lol.Yep, he's doing it right. He's passing along relevant information and giving people confidence that things are going to turn out okay in the end. This is the time for action and inspiration. Mourning and reflection can -- and should -- come later.
just 'oh man this is alot of water oh man we got alot of good people doing work here oh man were good'
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/30/2017, 11:07 PM
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/30/2017, 11:07 PM
and probably wont
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 11:19 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 08/30/2017, 11:19 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 08/30/2017, 11:07 PMand probably wontProbably won't? When did you become an optimist. It never will.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/31/2017, 12:16 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/31/2017, 12:16 AM
Quote from: guestand probably wontAnd if he does, you'll never admit you were wrong. I'm not playing the prediction game with you. Right now, he's behaving like a can-do President. That's a good thing. This storm is a major disaster; let's hope for the best and not get hung up on whether he delivers the speech that we wrote in our own heads.
By the way MrBroadway, I appreciate your well-explained and nuanced view of Antifa. Thank you for that. I personally believe that our best defense against fascism taking root in the US is to protect the first amendment for everyone, even the worst of us. What we're unfortunately seeing right now is that it's very easy for people with political agendas to lump normal folks in with the cretins (white supremacists). Thankfully some newspapers and politicians are starting to say enough's enough.
I don't really have anything else to say on that topic.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/31/2017, 01:47 AM
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/31/2017, 01:47 AM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/31/2017, 12:16 AMAnd if he does, you'll never admit you were wrong. I'm not playing the prediction game with you.I already admitted I was wrong when he suddenly decided he supported gays.
but I am not sure if he actually does at this point.
At least he's trying.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/31/2017, 02:01 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 08/31/2017, 02:01 AM
Sorry, I shouldn't have made negative assumptions about you. Thanks for correcting me. My bad.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/31/2017, 02:48 AM
Post by: Arkhan Asylum on 08/31/2017, 02:48 AM
kiss me
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/31/2017, 11:35 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 08/31/2017, 11:35 AM
Lots of flip flopping, double speak, and misleading alternate facts in Trump's tax plan speech, but no surprise there. Nor am I surprised that there's few details of exactly what the tax plan entails.
- Brag about quarterly GDP growth of 3% because Obama never had that! It's only true if you look at Obama's annual averages, as he had several quarters of equal or far better growth, but who's counting?
- Jerk off to Reagan's tax plan, even though you'd always said before that it was an "absolute catastrophe", causing the S&L problems and recession of '90-'91. It'll work this time, trust me. Bigly.
- Bitch about corporate tax rates and claim that they're 60% higher than the rest of the world, completely ignoring the effective rate (after including deductions and tax breaks) being roughly equal to what companies pay in competing countries.
- Double the amount of profits held overseas and refuse to back up your estimates with a source. Bigger is better, dammit!
- Brag about quarterly GDP growth of 3% because Obama never had that! It's only true if you look at Obama's annual averages, as he had several quarters of equal or far better growth, but who's counting?
- Jerk off to Reagan's tax plan, even though you'd always said before that it was an "absolute catastrophe", causing the S&L problems and recession of '90-'91. It'll work this time, trust me. Bigly.
- Bitch about corporate tax rates and claim that they're 60% higher than the rest of the world, completely ignoring the effective rate (after including deductions and tax breaks) being roughly equal to what companies pay in competing countries.
- Double the amount of profits held overseas and refuse to back up your estimates with a source. Bigger is better, dammit!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 08/31/2017, 06:12 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 08/31/2017, 06:12 PM
Trickle down economics doesn't work. Giving a tax break to people who already hide money in foreign banks gives them more money to hide in foreign banks. Raising taxes on the super rich and on corporations can allow the government to spend money and put it in the hands of Americans like teachers, construction workers, soldiers, police, etc.
We can have better education, infrastructure, and defense or the multi billionaires can add more zeroes to their bank accounts. I think one idea is better than the other but maybe I'm not being fair to the multi billionaires and should put myself in their shoes before arguing over the internet about taxation.
We can have better education, infrastructure, and defense or the multi billionaires can add more zeroes to their bank accounts. I think one idea is better than the other but maybe I'm not being fair to the multi billionaires and should put myself in their shoes before arguing over the internet about taxation.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 08/31/2017, 06:12 PMTrickle down economics doesn't work. Giving a tax break to people who already hide money in foreign banks gives them more money to hide in foreign banks. Raising taxes on the super rich and on corporations can allow the government to spend money and put it in the hands of Americans like teachers, construction workers, soldiers, police, etc.Bullshit. "Trickle down economics" is the ONLY system that works. Industry creates wealth. Industry creates jobs. The government doesn't create wealth, it only takes wealth. As much as you might not like corporations like Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Home Depot or whatever, they provide millions of jobs and service millions of people. As we're seeing in so many socialist countries in Western Europe where social programs and high taxation have stalled their economies and lead them to financial ruin, the same thing has happened to the United States. The rich already pay the majority of taxes while half of Americans pay no federal taxes and often receive more in benefits than they've ever paid in. In case you haven't noticed the government receives trillions of dollars in tax revenue and still our infrastructure and education systems are crap. The government could confiscate all the wealth of all the billionaires and they'd still blow it. Now, I'm all for closing loopholes used to avoid paying taxes but this whole "fair share" stuff is bullshit. We have millions of people fucking their lives up, flunking school, having kids they can't afford, get fucked up on drugs, etc etc etc and the American taxpayer is expected to take care of them, not to mention the illegal immigrants competing for low wage jobs, burdening the education system, receiving benefits that they shouldn't be eligible for, etc. We already spend a substantial amount of the budget on countless government programs and we're headed over the cliff with ballooning Social Security costs. What was meant to be safety net programs have become a way of life for millions and we're pretty much screwed because of it.
We can have better education, infrastructure, and defense or the multi billionaires can add more zeroes to their bank accounts. I think one idea is better than the other but maybe I'm not being fair to the multi billionaires and should put myself in their shoes before arguing over the internet about taxation.
Lastly, the whole idea behind lowering the corporate tax rates is to make America more competitive with other companies like South Korea, China, and Japan. So many jobs have been sent elsewhere because it's cheaper for corporations to make their products in other countries and import them back to the US. Whereas our current rate is 38%, with the effective rate being about 25% after deductions, many other companies are much lower. With a lower tax rate here in the US companies will keep jobs here and possibly bring them back here. That means more jobs for Americans, more expenditures by corporations, more competition and hopefully better wages. As Margaret Thatcher famously said, "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." That's what is happening across Western Europe and here in the US as well. The left loves to portray rich people as the devil, at least corporate rich people but not celebrities. Are there abuses? Yes, and they need to be changed but capitalism is the most successful economic system the world has ever known and provided the most good for the greatest amount of people.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 09/05/2017, 08:48 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 09/05/2017, 08:48 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMGod damn! Ha-dou-ken!!! [emoji1] [emoji106]Quote from: seieienbu on 08/31/2017, 06:12 PMTrickle down economics doesn't work. Giving a tax break to people who already hide money in foreign banks gives them more money to hide in foreign banks. Raising taxes on the super rich and on corporations can allow the government to spend money and put it in the hands of Americans like teachers, construction workers, soldiers, police, etc.Bullshit. "Trickle down economics" is the ONLY system that works. Industry creates wealth. Industry creates jobs. The government doesn't create wealth, it only takes wealth. As much as you might not like corporations like Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Home Depot or whatever, they provide millions of jobs and service millions of people. As we're seeing in so many socialist countries in Western Europe where social programs and high taxation have stalled their economies and lead them to financial ruin, the same thing has happened to the United States. The rich already pay the majority of taxes while half of Americans pay no federal taxes and often receive more in benefits than they've ever paid in. In case you haven't noticed the government receives trillions of dollars in tax revenue and still our infrastructure and education systems are crap. The government could confiscate all the wealth of all the billionaires and they'd still blow it. Now, I'm all for closing loopholes used to avoid paying taxes but this whole "fair share" stuff is bullshit. We have millions of people fucking their lives up, flunking school, having kids they can't afford, get fucked up on drugs, etc etc etc and the American taxpayer is expected to take care of them, not to mention the illegal immigrants competing for low wage jobs, burdening the education system, receiving benefits that they shouldn't be eligible for, etc. We already spend a substantial amount of the budget on countless government programs and we're headed over the cliff with ballooning Social Security costs. What was meant to be safety net programs have become a way of life for millions and we're pretty much screwed because of it.
We can have better education, infrastructure, and defense or the multi billionaires can add more zeroes to their bank accounts. I think one idea is better than the other but maybe I'm not being fair to the multi billionaires and should put myself in their shoes before arguing over the internet about taxation.
Lastly, the whole idea behind lowering the corporate tax rates is to make America more competitive with other companies like South Korea, China, and Japan. So many jobs have been sent elsewhere because it's cheaper for corporations to make their products in other countries and import them back to the US. Whereas our current rate is 38%, with the effective rate being about 25% after deductions, many other companies are much lower. With a lower tax rate here in the US companies will keep jobs here and possibly bring them back here. That means more jobs for Americans, more expenditures by corporations, more competition and hopefully better wages. As Margaret Thatcher famously said, "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." That's what is happening across Western Europe and here in the US as well. The left loves to portray rich people as the devil, at least corporate rich people but not celebrities. Are there abuses? Yes, and they need to be changed but capitalism is the most successful economic system the world has ever known and provided the most good for the greatest amount of people.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/05/2017, 09:00 PM
Post by: OldRover on 09/05/2017, 09:00 PM
Wow, yet another corporate apologist blaming the general population... classic.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Dicer on 09/06/2017, 10:31 AM
Post by: Dicer on 09/06/2017, 10:31 AM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PM...BwhahahahaQuote from: seieienbu on 08/31/2017, 06:12 PMTrickle down economics doesn't work. Giving a tax break to people who already hide money in foreign banks gives them more money to hide in foreign banks. Raising taxes on the super rich and on corporations can allow the government to spend money and put it in the hands of Americans like teachers, construction workers, soldiers, police, etc.Bullshit. "Trickle down economics" is the ONLY system that works. Industry creates wealth. Industry creates jobs. The government doesn't create wealth, it only takes wealth. As much as you might not like corporations like Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Home Depot or whatever, they provide millions of jobs and service millions of people. As we're seeing in so many socialist countries in Western Europe where social programs and high taxation have stalled their economies and lead them to financial ruin, the same thing has happened to the United States. The rich already pay the majority of taxes while half of Americans pay no federal taxes and often receive more in benefits than they've ever paid in. In case you haven't noticed the government receives trillions of dollars in tax revenue and still our infrastructure and education systems are crap. The government could confiscate all the wealth of all the billionaires and they'd still blow it. Now, I'm all for closing loopholes used to avoid paying taxes but this whole "fair share" stuff is bullshit. We have millions of people fucking their lives up, flunking school, having kids they can't afford, get fucked up on drugs, etc etc etc and the American taxpayer is expected to take care of them, not to mention the illegal immigrants competing for low wage jobs, burdening the education system, receiving benefits that they shouldn't be eligible for, etc. We already spend a substantial amount of the budget on countless government programs and we're headed over the cliff with ballooning Social Security costs. What was meant to be safety net programs have become a way of life for millions and we're pretty much screwed because of it.
We can have better education, infrastructure, and defense or the multi billionaires can add more zeroes to their bank accounts. I think one idea is better than the other but maybe I'm not being fair to the multi billionaires and should put myself in their shoes before arguing over the internet about taxation.
Lastly, the whole idea behind lowering the corporate tax rates is to make America more competitive with other companies like South Korea, China, and Japan. So many jobs have been sent elsewhere because it's cheaper for corporations to make their products in other countries and import them back to the US. Whereas our current rate is 38%, with the effective rate being about 25% after deductions, many other companies are much lower. With a lower tax rate here in the US companies will keep jobs here and possibly bring them back here. That means more jobs for Americans, more expenditures by corporations, more competition and hopefully better wages. As Margaret Thatcher famously said, "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." That's what is happening across Western Europe and here in the US as well. The left loves to portray rich people as the devil, at least corporate rich people but not celebrities. Are there abuses? Yes, and they need to be changed but capitalism is the most successful economic system the world has ever known and provided the most good for the greatest amount of people.
Wow I needed a good laugh.
The only time "trickle down" might work is when it actually trickles down and doesn't get siphoned back off before it get's anywhere...the ones at the top have little interest helping anyone below them, outside of "use them bootstraps" bullshit. The rich make the rules and make sure the rules are of full benefit to them, please don't tell me you are that blind to how things work in this Country.
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 09/06/2017, 10:45 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 09/06/2017, 10:45 AM
Oh holy shit...that was a giant load, right there. It's hard to know where to begin...
WalMart, McDonalds provide millions of jobs, sure. Millions of jobs that don't pay a living wage and give horseshit benefits, if any at all. You sure you want to hold up the Waltons as your example of how "trickle down economics" works? Are you positive, man? McDonald's? Really?
I'll help you out here: next time you make this argument, maybe use Costco as an example. You know, a company who has a CEO who makes a decent and reasonable living and pays its employees well and gives them good benefits. Don't use two of the most notorious corporations in the country.
Then we move on to the "fuck those poor people and illegal immigrants stealing our jobs" argument. Are there people who abuse the system? Sure as hell there are. Are they to blame for your job losses while those poor, abused CEOs and wealthy are over-taxed, demonized, and forced to send low-paying jobs overseas? Come on, man. Give me a break. They don't send those jobs overseas because they're overtaxed. They send them overseas because they can pay some Chinese kid pennies on the dollar to make their products. Those jobs aren't coming back unless our minimum wage goes away, despite what our Dipshit in Chief says. He's just scapegoating.
The tax rate for corporations are statutory and a really good bit of red herring to dangle in front of suckers willing to believe that the poor and immigrants are to blame for their woes. Corporations use deductions and credits, and wind up paying waaaaay less than 38%. They're not getting their taxes done by an intern at H&R Block, my friend.
Poor, abused corporations. They wanna give jobs to the poor. But the evil government won't let them. And the Walton family are just soooo upset about not being able to pay their employees a living wage. But the evil government won't let them.
Now let's be fair, I've whipped hard to the left to respond to your hard right assertions. But the answer, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Again, Costco is a great example of capitalism and "trickle down" done right. But you've gotta be reasonable about it. Corporate greed is real, just as entitlement abuse is real. The only difference is that corporate greed costs our country far more than a handful - or even "millions" - of poor people cashing $500 welfare checks every month.
WalMart, McDonalds provide millions of jobs, sure. Millions of jobs that don't pay a living wage and give horseshit benefits, if any at all. You sure you want to hold up the Waltons as your example of how "trickle down economics" works? Are you positive, man? McDonald's? Really?
I'll help you out here: next time you make this argument, maybe use Costco as an example. You know, a company who has a CEO who makes a decent and reasonable living and pays its employees well and gives them good benefits. Don't use two of the most notorious corporations in the country.
Then we move on to the "fuck those poor people and illegal immigrants stealing our jobs" argument. Are there people who abuse the system? Sure as hell there are. Are they to blame for your job losses while those poor, abused CEOs and wealthy are over-taxed, demonized, and forced to send low-paying jobs overseas? Come on, man. Give me a break. They don't send those jobs overseas because they're overtaxed. They send them overseas because they can pay some Chinese kid pennies on the dollar to make their products. Those jobs aren't coming back unless our minimum wage goes away, despite what our Dipshit in Chief says. He's just scapegoating.
The tax rate for corporations are statutory and a really good bit of red herring to dangle in front of suckers willing to believe that the poor and immigrants are to blame for their woes. Corporations use deductions and credits, and wind up paying waaaaay less than 38%. They're not getting their taxes done by an intern at H&R Block, my friend.
Poor, abused corporations. They wanna give jobs to the poor. But the evil government won't let them. And the Walton family are just soooo upset about not being able to pay their employees a living wage. But the evil government won't let them.
Now let's be fair, I've whipped hard to the left to respond to your hard right assertions. But the answer, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Again, Costco is a great example of capitalism and "trickle down" done right. But you've gotta be reasonable about it. Corporate greed is real, just as entitlement abuse is real. The only difference is that corporate greed costs our country far more than a handful - or even "millions" - of poor people cashing $500 welfare checks every month.
Quote from: guest on 09/05/2017, 08:48 PMGod damn! Ha-dou-ken!!! [emoji1] [emoji106]Ha! Of course...hook, line, and sinker.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/06/2017, 11:00 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/06/2017, 11:00 AM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMBullshit. "Trickle down economics" is the ONLY system that works.If it worked, the wealthiest 1% wouldn't hold such a large (and ever growing) percentage of the nation's wealth, the gap between the top and bottom wage earners wouldn't be widening, and the middle class wouldn't be disappearing.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMIndustry creates wealth. Industry creates jobs.Of course they do, but they don't do it for fun or out of the goodness of their hearts; the labor force is based on the minimum number of people needed to do a given job, not net profits. Look at a list of the most profitable companies (Apple, Google, banks, oil companies, cell providers, and drug makers) and you'll find the same companies on most-profit-per-employee and most-revenue-per-employee lists; the profits go to share holders and company heads, not to hire unnecessary employees or to provide substantially higher than average pay for regular employees.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMThe government doesn't create wealth, it only takes wealth. As much as you might not like corporations like Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Home Depot or whatever, they provide millions of jobs and service millions of people.Like KD pointed out, you're using examples that pay shit wages and benefits (and are investing in robotics to eliminate more employees) as proof of trickle down economics. Think first, then type.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMAs we're seeing in so many socialist countries in Western Europe where social programs and high taxation have stalled their economies and lead them to financial ruin, the same thing has happened to the United States.I don't know what kind of retarded definition you have for "socialism", but the existence of welfare programs does not mean a country is socialist. The closest countries to being socialist are the scandinavian ones (Iceland, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway) which have the highest tax rates, true, but they're also at the top for infrastructure quality, life expectancy, equality, health and well being, GDP per person, happiness, and most generous and least corrupt; all while having a lower public debt as a percentage of GDP than the US, Canada, or other western european countries.
Also, Denmark has Legos, and we all know those're fucking awesome.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMLastly, the whole idea behind lowering the corporate tax rates is to make America more competitive with other companies like South Korea, China, and Japan. So many jobs have been sent elsewhere because it's cheaper for corporations to make their products in other countries and import them back to the US. Whereas our current rate is 38%, with the effective rate being about 25% after deductions, many other companies are much lower. With a lower tax rate here in the US companies will keep jobs here and possibly bring them back here.Taxes and wages in South Korea and Japan aren't all that different than here, but we can't compete with China. Even with zero corporate taxes, their wages are so low that we'd still be uncompetitive, and it's even worse in countries like India and Sri Lanka.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 02:17 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 02:17 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/05/2017, 08:48 PM...Ryu Hayabusa is from Ninja Gaiden.Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMI disagree with Seieienbu's opinions on trickle down economics.God damn! Ha-dou-ken!!! [emoji1] [emoji106]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/06/2017, 02:22 PM
Post by: TheClash603 on 09/06/2017, 02:22 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 02:17 PMShoryuken!Quote from: guest on 09/05/2017, 08:48 PM...Ryu Hayabusa is from Ninja Gaiden.Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMI disagree with Seieienbu's opinions on trickle down economics.God damn! Ha-dou-ken!!! [emoji1] [emoji106]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/06/2017, 03:18 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/06/2017, 03:18 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 02:17 PM...Ryu Hayabusa is from Ninja Gaiden.Pffft! You libtards and your fake news.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 09/06/2017, 03:26 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 09/06/2017, 03:26 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 09/06/2017, 03:18 PMTop AP poll: 95% of Trump supporters think that "Ninja Gaiden" is a globalist conspiracy that molests children in arcade basements.Quote from: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 02:17 PM...Ryu Hayabusa is from Ninja Gaiden.Pffft! You libtards and your fake news.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 03:41 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 03:41 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 09/06/2017, 10:45 AMWalMart, McDonalds provide millions of jobs, sure. Millions of jobs that don't pay a living wage and give horseshit benefits, if any at all. You sure you want to hold up the Waltons as your example of how "trickle down economics" works? Are you positive, man? McDonald's? Really?I used them as an example because A), that's generally where people go to complain about a "living wage" and B), because they're among the largest employers in America. Flipping burgers isn't meant to be a career. Do you really think someone should be able to walk in the door and make $15 an hour mopping floors and taking the trash out? Either you bust your ass and work your way up the ladder or use it as a stepping stone towards something better. If you're content to work fast food until you retire because you have no aspirations in life, that's your problem.
QuoteI'll help you out here: next time you make this argument, maybe use Costco as an example. You know, a company who has a CEO who makes a decent and reasonable living and pays its employees well and gives them good benefits. Don't use two of the most notorious corporations in the country.Don't get me wrong, it pisses me off too when I see the pay of CEOs skyrocketing versus how much money they pay their employees. As mentioned before, I pointed them out because they employ so many people and are frequent targets of the "living wage" advocates, whatever that means. What's a living wage? Is $15 really a living wage? How about $20? Fuck it. $50 an hour, full insurance, weekends off for the kids, and a company car and apartment. There's your utopia. Just don't get mad when a hamburger costs $100 and gas is $50 a gallon.
QuoteThen we move on to the "fuck those poor people and illegal immigrants stealing our jobs" argument. Are there people who abuse the system? Sure as hell there are. Are they to blame for your job losses while those poor, abused CEOs and wealthy are over-taxed, demonized, and forced to send low-paying jobs overseas? Come on, man. Give me a break. They don't send those jobs overseas because they're overtaxed. They send them overseas because they can pay some Chinese kid pennies on the dollar to make their products. Those jobs aren't coming back unless our minimum wage goes away, despite what our Dipshit in Chief says. He's just scapegoating.I love how you casually dismiss the impact of all the social programs on the budget. Our social programs account for over half of the budget. We now have generations of people living off of the government and we're importing millions more year after year. As for the jobs going overseas, yes, I hate the fact that so many companies have moved their factories. However, unions are partially responsible for a lot of the outsourcing. Yes, unions are supposed to protect workers and fight for better wages, benefits, etc. However, in some cases demands are too high and lead to companies closing or sending jobs elsewhere. I'm not anti-union because I do think workers need protection from abuses and deserve to be paid a reasonable wage for the jobs they do, and that doesn't mean $15 an hour for greeting people at the front door.
QuoteThe tax rate for corporations are statutory and a really good bit of red herring to dangle in front of suckers willing to believe that the poor and immigrants are to blame for their woes. Corporations use deductions and credits, and wind up paying waaaaay less than 38%. They're not getting their taxes done by an intern at H&R Block, my friend.After deductions and credits the effective tax rate for most corporations is about 25%, which is still higher that many other comparable countries like Great Britain, France and other G-7 nations. Plus, one of the main things that is being discussed is eliminating the tax loopholes and credits used by the wealthy, which is a good thing, right? Higher tax rates doesn't necessarily mean more tax revenue and can have a negative effect on the economy. You want to talk about victimhood? It gets tiresome hearing the burger flipping high school dropout spending $5 a day on a pack of cigarettes bitch and moan about "the man" and how the evil corporations screwed them over.
QuotePoor, abused corporations. They wanna give jobs to the poor. But the evil government won't let them. And the Walton family are just soooo upset about not being able to pay their employees a living wage. But the evil government won't let them.You and your corporate boogeyman syndrome. Without corporations, where are you going to get your IPhone? Where are you going to shop for food and clothes? Who's going to make your video games? Business is not a charity. No business is obligated to hire more people than they want to nor pay a legion of dumbasses $15 an hour to stand around flapping their gums and checking their phones every ten minutes, which is unfortunately what our society has transformed into. Seriously, there is a substantial number of people who have zero work ethic and never will, and to arbitrarily grant them some massive raise rather than base it upon merit is ridiculous. It's the liberal thing to do but still ridiculous.
QuoteNow let's be fair, I've whipped hard to the left to respond to your hard right assertions. But the answer, as always, lies somewhere in the middle. Again, Costco is a great example of capitalism and "trickle down" done right. But you've gotta be reasonable about it. Corporate greed is real, just as entitlement abuse is real. The only difference is that corporate greed costs our country far more than a handful - or even "millions" - of poor people cashing $500 welfare checks every month.I agree that corporate greed is real and I would love to see things done to stop abuses. I'd love to see all the loopholes closed and things put in place to discourage American companies from outsourcing jobs. However, with that said, I think it's time to start weaning Americans off of government programs and take care of only the most desperate of people. Importing millions of unskilled, uneducated people with nothing but the shirt on their backs just because America has a white guilt complex isn't good for the economy or the country as a whole.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 03:58 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 03:58 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 03:41 PMIf a job is necessary to a company, then it is necessary to be paid enough to make it worth a worker's time. $7.15 per hour is not enough to justify working the job in many places; the federal minimum wage needs to be higher. No, you shouldn't be able to afford a family of 3 in a 4 bedroom hours on a single minimum wage job but that's not the point of minimum wage. If you are working full time then you should be able to afford to rent a single bedroom apartment, make car payments, be able to eat, pay for health care, and have a bit left over for clothes/car insurance/etc.Quote from: KingDrool on 09/06/2017, 10:45 AMWalMart, McDonalds provide millions of jobs, sure. Millions of jobs that don't pay a living wage and give horseshit benefits, if any at all. You sure you want to hold up the Waltons as your example of how "trickle down economics" works? Are you positive, man? McDonald's? Really?I used them as an example because A), that's generally where people go to complain about a "living wage" and B), because they're among the largest employers in America. Flipping burgers isn't meant to be a career. Do you really think someone should be able to walk in the door and make $15 an hour mopping floors and taking the trash out? Either you bust your ass and work your way up the ladder or use it as a stepping stone towards something better. If you're content to work fast food until you retire because you have no aspirations in life, that's your problem.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 03:41 PMThat's clearly not the case from every other point you try to make. You blame workers wanting more money when already rich CEOs closing down jobs and moving overseas.QuoteI'll help you out here: next time you make this argument, maybe use Costco as an example. You know, a company who has a CEO who makes a decent and reasonable living and pays its employees well and gives them good benefits. Don't use two of the most notorious corporations in the country.Don't get me wrong, it pisses me off too when I see the pay of CEOs skyrocketing versus how much money they pay their employees.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 04:04 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 04:04 PM
Seieienbu, name me a single corporation that starts it's workers at $7.15. I know Wal-Mart doesn't. Kroger doesn't. Target doesn't, I believe. McDonald's doesn't. I don't know of a single one. There might be some out there but I don't know any.
As for blaming workers, I'm making points that liberals don't want to hear, namely that flipping burgers isn't a career and $15 an hour for a greeter is ridiculous. Stop corporate abuses but quit acting like wealthy people don't pay their fair share of taxes. Liberals propagate this idea that if someone is rich it's because some rich guy fucked them over.
Lastly, what is your ideal system of economics? If things are so bad in America, what system should we be using?
As for blaming workers, I'm making points that liberals don't want to hear, namely that flipping burgers isn't a career and $15 an hour for a greeter is ridiculous. Stop corporate abuses but quit acting like wealthy people don't pay their fair share of taxes. Liberals propagate this idea that if someone is rich it's because some rich guy fucked them over.
Lastly, what is your ideal system of economics? If things are so bad in America, what system should we be using?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/06/2017, 04:05 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/06/2017, 04:05 PM
"I was talking about living wages, not trickle down!!!"
Pick an argument, for fucks sake.
Pick an argument, for fucks sake.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 05:36 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 05:36 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 04:04 PMSeieienbu, name me a single corporation that starts it's workers at $7.15. I know Wal-Mart doesn't. Kroger doesn't. Target doesn't, I believe. McDonald's doesn't. I don't know of a single one. There might be some out there but I don't know any.I feel like everything I said in my last post applies directly to this. Even if Walmart does pay its employees more than $7.15/hour, can a person working full time at Wal-mart (or the more common 39.5 hours to ensure that they don't get benefits) afford the things I listed before: rent a single bedroom apartment, make car payments, be able to eat, pay for health care, and have a bit left over for clothes/car insurance/etc.? No, being the kid that brings in the karts from the parking lot shouldn't be your end goal but the company should still pay enough to where someone doing that job full time can live.
As for blaming workers, I'm making points that liberals don't want to hear, namely that flipping burgers isn't a career and $15 an hour for a greeter is ridiculous. Stop corporate abuses but quit acting like wealthy people don't pay their fair share of taxes. Liberals propagate this idea that if someone is rich it's because some rich guy fucked them over.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 04:04 PMLastly, what is your ideal system of economics? If things are so bad in America, what system should we be using?As stated earlier, Scandinavian countries have the highest standard of living. Perhaps trying to be more like those countries would be a start?
I feel that America is one of the best places in the world in which to be rich. At the same time, I feel that it is not one of the best places in the world to be in the middle of the pack. I feel that an economic system designed around making the middle class strong and healthy would be ideal. I'm much more concerned about the people in the middle than I am the guy at the top.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 09/06/2017, 06:06 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 09/06/2017, 06:06 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 02:17 PMTouche [emoji1]Quote from: guest on 09/05/2017, 08:48 PM...Ryu Hayabusa is from Ninja Gaiden.Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/05/2017, 08:06 PMI disagree with Seieienbu's opinions on trickle down economics.God damn! Ha-dou-ken!!! [emoji1] [emoji106]
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 09/06/2017, 07:05 PM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 09/06/2017, 07:05 PM
I think people who keep saying that $15/hr is greedy forget that it's 2017. If 1968 minimum wage was adjusted for inflation, it would be over $10, but even that is misleading, for while products are cheaper than ever, services (and college!) is through the roof. People say flipping burgers isn't a career, but despite the lowest taxes on the rich in history, full time salaried positions have not appeared, and people either flip burgers are starve.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 08:31 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 08:31 PM
QuoteI feel like everything I said in my last post applies directly to this. Even if Walmart does pay its employees more than $7.15/hour, can a person working full time at Wal-mart (or the more common 39.5 hours to ensure that they don't get benefits) afford the things I listed before: rent a single bedroom apartment, make car payments, be able to eat, pay for health care, and have a bit left over for clothes/car insurance/etc.? No, being the kid that brings in the karts from the parking lot shouldn't be your end goal but the company should still pay enough to where someone doing that job full time can live.
One of my friends' daughter has been with Wal-Mart for a little over a year and is making $11 an hour already working in the electronics department. There are such things as raises and other options. Also, like I mentioned before, most of these kinds of jobs are entry level jobs where you either dedicate yourself and work you way up the managerial ladder or use it as a stepping stone to something better. I know shit happens and sometimes life throws you a curveball but you shouldn't be 45 years old with three kids trying to make ends meet on minimum wage. That's why I say go to college, learn a trade, or at least become some sort of retail manager before you go having kids that you can't afford to take care and fuck your life up. Again, personal responsibility. Get some stability in your life. Get married and established. People do it all the time and it's not just the super wealthy. Not everyone who is well off was born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Despite what Obama might have told you, yes, if you do something with your life you did it. You built that.
QuoteAs stated earlier, Scandinavian countries have the highest standard of living. Perhaps trying to be more like those countries would be a start?
Denmark and other Scandinavian countries are portrayed by Bernie Sanders and other liberals as being some utopia but it's really not. Some of the stats are nice but if you look below the surface you find that Denmark is in trouble because of enormous private debt being built up and the fact that the welfare programs are supported by oil revenues, which are suffering. Productivity is stagnant and taxation is insane. Yes, many of the stats are impressive but it's not all perfect like Bernie might have you think. Also, what innovation do you see coming from Scandinavia? The drive for innovation and big ideas isn't there because the government is just going to take everything anyway whereas here in America, if you have a big idea or if you work twice as hard as the other guy you can make it big. One of my favorite guitarists, Yngwie Malmsteen, has long talked about Scandinavia, being from Sweden, and how there was nothing to drive the people there and he knew if he wanted to get anywhere he had to come to America. Don't let anyone tell you "trickle down economics" doesn't work. Even crazy Uncle Joe Biden voted for the 1986 tax cuts. Letting people keep more of their own money along with creating a better environment for corporations and small business to expand and create jobs is how you stimulate the economy. Plus you bring a few trillion dollars back into the economy by offering a reasonable repatriation rate for the wealthy to bring money back from overseas accounts. Exorbitant tax rates and endless government programs is not the answer.
QuoteI feel that America is one of the best places in the world in which to be rich. At the same time, I feel that it is not one of the best places in the world to be in the middle of the pack. I feel that an economic system designed around making the middle class strong and healthy would be ideal. I'm much more concerned about the people in the middle than I am the guy at the top.America is still a great place to be middle class. However, admittedly America has increasingly become like an hourglass, with all the sand being at the top and bottom quickly passing through the middle. I'm all for closing all the loopholes used to avoid paying taxes and implementing policies to discourage sending jobs out of the country. I do feel that many corporations have screwed America over and bolstered rival nations like China at the expense of the American worker. Where would China be today without American corporations outsourcing the manufacturing of their products the past several decades? Something should've been done to curb this decades ago. However, this isn't all corporations and the benefits of trickle down economics have still been felt not only through the countless technological innovations we enjoy in our everyday lives but the millions of middle class people who've done well working a 40 hour week and owning a house, multiple vehicles and raising their kids.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 09/06/2017, 10:15 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 09/06/2017, 10:15 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/06/2017, 07:05 PMI think people who keep saying that $15/hr is greedy forget that it's 2017. If 1968 minimum wage was adjusted for inflation, it would be over $10, but even that is misleading, for while products are cheaper than ever, services (and college!) is through the roof. People say flipping burgers isn't a career, but despite the lowest taxes on the rich in history, full time salaried positions have not appeared, and people either flip burgers are starve.College expense is absolutely ridiculous. One reason is that they are turning the damn things into country clubs. What happened to basic cinder block dorms? At the U of SC, they are all being torn down and replaced with resort style apartment suites, with gourmet eateries and Starbucks in every lobby.
I attended school there from 96-2000, and the campus is pretty unrecognizable from all of the updates, renovations, and new construction.
Its a Hell of a lot nicer, but the the students are paying triple what I payed to go there. Sad thing is, most of the increase in tuition and fees is going to pay for the country club lifestyle, and hasn't improved the actual education in most cases.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 10:38 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 10:38 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 08:31 PMOne of my friends' daughter has been with Wal-Mart for a little over a year and is making $11 an hour already working in the electronics department. There are such things as raises and other options. Also, like I mentioned before, most of these kinds of jobs are entry level jobs where you either dedicate yourself and work you way up the managerial ladder or use it as a stepping stone to something better. I know shit happens and sometimes life throws you a curveball but you shouldn't be 45 years old with three kids trying to make ends meet on minimum wage. That's why I say go to college, learn a trade, or at least become some sort of retail manager before you go having kids that you can't afford to take care and fuck your life up. Again, personal responsibility. Get some stability in your life. Get married and established. People do it all the time and it's not just the super wealthy. Not everyone who is well off was born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Despite what Obama might have told you, yes, if you do something with your life you did it. You built that.
I believe this is the third time that I've stated as such, but minimum wage jobs should be able to pay the necessary bills for a single individual to survive. I do not believe that you should be able to support 5 people on a minimum wage job; that is ridiculous. That said, it is absolutely equally ridiculous if you work 40 hours a week and cannot afford rent, transportation, bills, insurance, food, and clothing.
If a "job creator" has a job that he needs done for 40 hours a week then he needs to pay his employee enough to pay for the things I have listed above. I do not mean new $200 Air Jordans every six months and the newest iPhone every year or whenever. I'm not saying living in the greatest loft in downtown Manhattan. It is unethical not pay employees enough to where if they are working they cannot afford these basic things. Nothing on my list is frivolous.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 09/06/2017, 08:31 PMAmerica is still a great place to be middle class. However, admittedly America has increasingly become like an hourglass, with all the sand being at the top and bottom quickly passing through the middle.The "sand at the bottom" to me this sounds like blaming middle class problems on the poor rather than on the group that has gained almost all new wealth in the US while everyone else stagnated.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/07/2017, 12:41 AM
Post by: OldRover on 09/07/2017, 12:41 AM
"Liberals"
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/07/2017, 09:47 PM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/07/2017, 09:47 PM
I have no problem with a locality choosing their own minimum wage. San Francisco citizens want $15? Go ahead and implement it. If that works for them, that's great. If it doesn't work out, then they can figure out how to fix it. It's not my problem, so it shouldn't be my decision.
Imposing that kind of wage at the federal or state standard becomes my problem. While that might be workable for some major cities, it would be incredibly destructive to pretty much everywhere else -- including the town where I live. Keep decisions on minimum wage local.
Imposing that kind of wage at the federal or state standard becomes my problem. While that might be workable for some major cities, it would be incredibly destructive to pretty much everywhere else -- including the town where I live. Keep decisions on minimum wage local.
Quoteminimum wage jobs should be able to pay the necessary bills for a single individual to surviveI disagree with this in theory; I see value in low-paying, high-turnover jobs that are intended to be manned by dependents. But I also recognize that reality means people in some regions are taking entry-level jobs out of necessity to support themselves and family. Which is another reason why I think it's best for the decision on minimum wage to be made locally: circumstances vary.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 09/07/2017, 09:55 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 09/07/2017, 09:55 PM
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 09/07/2017, 09:47 PMI have no problem with a locality choosing their own minimum wage. San Francisco citizens want $15? Go ahead and implement it. If that works for them, that's great. If it doesn't work out, then they can figure out how to fix it. It's not my problem, so it shouldn't be my decision.I actually very much agree with this sentiment. What's necessary to live in San Francisco is not necessary to live in a small rural town. I just know for a fact that where I live and in nearby areas the federal minimum wage will likely always be the minimum wage so it will need to be increased at the federal level for any sort of gain to the working poor to actually be felt.
Imposing that kind of wage at the federal or state standard becomes my problem. While that might be workable for some major cities, it would be incredibly destructive to pretty much everywhere else -- including the town where I live. Keep decisions on minimum wage local.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/07/2017, 11:08 PM
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/07/2017, 11:08 PM
The whole minimum wage thing is so frustrating. The right wants to pay people peanuts so they can boost corporate profits. The left wants people to make enough to survive.
My opinion? If you want an employee then you should pay a living wage. That person is committing their time and labor to your company. Whether its pushing carts, flipping burgers, or sitting behind a desk managing billions of dollars. They are a human being committing their time to your company. That is worth at least a livable wage. If you cant afford that, then you cant afford to have an employee. Build a robot instead.
The latest argument I'm seeing now is that price gouging during disasters is GOOD? What the actual fuck? They say it promotes companies to get goods where they are needed, prevents hoarding blah blah blah. All I see if that you're ripping off people who are down because you can. Companies shouldn't need a financial incentive to take care of their customers when they are in need. Those customers take care of the company all year round, year after year. The one time a disaster hits and their customers need help, the company should suck it up and help, not take advantage of them. These are people we are talking about... not numbers on spreadsheet.
My opinion? If you want an employee then you should pay a living wage. That person is committing their time and labor to your company. Whether its pushing carts, flipping burgers, or sitting behind a desk managing billions of dollars. They are a human being committing their time to your company. That is worth at least a livable wage. If you cant afford that, then you cant afford to have an employee. Build a robot instead.
The latest argument I'm seeing now is that price gouging during disasters is GOOD? What the actual fuck? They say it promotes companies to get goods where they are needed, prevents hoarding blah blah blah. All I see if that you're ripping off people who are down because you can. Companies shouldn't need a financial incentive to take care of their customers when they are in need. Those customers take care of the company all year round, year after year. The one time a disaster hits and their customers need help, the company should suck it up and help, not take advantage of them. These are people we are talking about... not numbers on spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/08/2017, 01:51 AM
Post by: Emerald Rocker on 09/08/2017, 01:51 AM
QuoteThe right wants to pay people peanuts so they can boost corporate profitsThis is an unfair representation of the conservative argument. It might be what some lobbyists and shareholders are actually thinking, but it's a mistake to treat that as the voice of the right. The more prevalent conservative rationale behind keeping business costs low is so that businesses can grow and pay their employees more. There are also sub-arguments such as providing minors with experience, providing relief to overworked small business owners (who often hire part-time labor, not full-time), etc.
Regarding the idea of paying a living wage -- if we assume that all 40-hour jobs should pay a living wage, that amount still varies from town to town. It also varies depending on household composition. For example, in Dallas County, living wage is $11 for a single adult, $22 for a single adult with child, but only $12 for two adults with child.
If you set the living wage at the single adult level, then you're screwing over people with kids.
If you set the living wage at the single adult + child level, then you're killing businesses and overpaying people who aren't single parents.
If you set the level at two adults + child, then you're back to screwing over single parents.
It's a frustrating discussion because the discussion is being held at the national level, but there's no national answer. Individual localities know their demographics and needs better than the rest of the nation does.
(As a side note, I'm opposed to price-gouging people who are facing a disaster. Price-gouging is only good when we're talking about TurboGrafx sellers on eBay. For disaster scenarios, I prefer rationing/limiting sales to prevent hoarding. Pooling necessities for relief distribution also helps mitigate the risk of hoarders grabbing everything.)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:16 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:16 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 09/07/2017, 11:08 PMThe whole minimum wage thing is so frustrating. The right wants to pay people peanuts so they can boost corporate profits. The left wants people to make enough to survive.Why do you think unskilled labor should be rewarded the same opportunities that someone who has taken the time to get a degree, learn a skilled trade, or worked their way from the bottom up the ladder? I am being serious.
My opinion? If you want an employee then you should pay a living wage. That person is committing their time and labor to your company. Whether its pushing carts, flipping burgers, or sitting behind a desk managing billions of dollars. They are a human being committing their time to your company. That is worth at least a livable wage. If you cant afford that, then you cant afford to have an employee. Build a robot instead.
Flipping burgers is an entry level, no skill required, job. Entry level is not the way to have the newest iphone, killer apartment/house, nice new/newer car, go on vacations, and eat whatever you want. You make something of yourself and have a career for those things. This is not a corporate responsibility, the individual is responsible for this decision. For decades, this is how it has been and people survived. Worked 2 jobs if needed, but now, all of a sudden, someone should be more compensated for having no skills because???? What? Life is hard? Always has been and always will be. The only thing that has changed is the attitude of entitlement.
I laugh every time I hear of this complaint. These people willingly took these jobs when offered, then turn around and complain that they need more money for doing the same thing they agreed to do from the start. Or start a gofundme, because, why work for something, it should just be given to you because you want it and other people should do the lifting for you.
My opinion, if you want a living wage, then make yourself valuable enough to be able to earn it. This isn't a world where you can sit around and wait for somebody else to do it for you.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:24 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:24 AM
Quote from: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 10:38 PMI believe this is the third time that I've stated as such, but minimum wage jobs should be able to pay the necessary bills for a single individual to survive. I do not believe that you should be able to support 5 people on a minimum wage job; that is ridiculous. That said, it is absolutely equally ridiculous if you work 40 hours a week and cannot afford rent, transportation, bills, insurance, food, and clothing.If you can't make it on 40 hours a week, then work 80. This is how past generations that took pride in themselves did it and it is proven to work.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:04 AM
Post by: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:04 AM
It seems some people don't understand the whole point of implementing the minimum wage and should look up some history.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 08:11 AM
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 08:11 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:24 AMYeah, my father and father-in-law who worked all the time and never took a vacation were happy to do their part and die right after retirement. Sounds like a working plan...Quote from: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 10:38 PMI believe this is the third time that I've stated as such, but minimum wage jobs should be able to pay the necessary bills for a single individual to survive. I do not believe that you should be able to support 5 people on a minimum wage job; that is ridiculous. That said, it is absolutely equally ridiculous if you work 40 hours a week and cannot afford rent, transportation, bills, insurance, food, and clothing.If you can't make it on 40 hours a week, then work 80. This is how past generations that took pride in themselves did it and it is proven to work.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/08/2017, 09:32 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 09/08/2017, 09:32 AM
What does paying low skill labor a livable wage have to do with people who have better skills and degrees? Of course those people should be paid more. Unfortunately out corporate run country doesn't want to pay anyone decently. Why have wages basically been flat for the last forty years despite massive productivity gains?
The right has been pushing this trickle down economic theory for so long and we've tried it. It doesn't trickle down. It's like telling Mexico they can have whatever water trickles down to them in the Colorado River... guess what that shits dry by the time it hits the border because we've taken it all.
The right has been pushing this trickle down economic theory for so long and we've tried it. It doesn't trickle down. It's like telling Mexico they can have whatever water trickles down to them in the Colorado River... guess what that shits dry by the time it hits the border because we've taken it all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 09:51 AM
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 09:51 AM
Quote from: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:04 AMIt seems some people don't understand the whole point of implementing the minimum wage and should look up some history.Summary - business generally will only behave ethically to avoid legislation.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:34 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:34 AM
Quote from: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:04 AMIt seems some people don't understand the whole point of implementing the minimum wage and should look up some history.Supply and demand. What is your point?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:37 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:37 AM
Quote from: Lost Monkey on 09/08/2017, 08:11 AMSo they wouldn't have died if they didn't work so much? False equivalency. They chose those paths and were victims of circumstance. Just like you and me. If I work until I die because of my choices, I won't blame anyone but myself.Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:24 AMYeah, my father and father-in-law who worked all the time and never took a vacation were happy to do their part and die right after retirement. Sounds like a working plan...Quote from: seieienbu on 09/06/2017, 10:38 PMI believe this is the third time that I've stated as such, but minimum wage jobs should be able to pay the necessary bills for a single individual to survive. I do not believe that you should be able to support 5 people on a minimum wage job; that is ridiculous. That said, it is absolutely equally ridiculous if you work 40 hours a week and cannot afford rent, transportation, bills, insurance, food, and clothing.If you can't make it on 40 hours a week, then work 80. This is how past generations that took pride in themselves did it and it is proven to work.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AM
If it'd be "incredibly destructive" to raise minimum wage above $7.25 now, why didn't every company go bankrupt in the 60s when minimum wage was $10+ (adjusted for inflation).
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:16 AMWhy do you think unskilled labor should be rewarded the same opportunities that someone who has taken the time to get a degree, learn a skilled trade, or worked their way from the bottom up the ladder? I am being serious.Can you read? Nothing BMW said comes even remotely close to saying everyone should receive the exact same pay.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 03:16 AMFlipping burgers is an entry level, no skill required, job. Entry level is not the way to have the newest iphone, killer apartment/house, nice new/newer car, go on vacations, and eat whatever you want.In what world does "being paid enough to survive" equal being able to afford any and every luxury? Since you're being serious, I gotta ask: are you retarded?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 09/08/2017, 09:32 AMWhat does paying low skill labor a livable wage have to do with people who have better skills and degrees? Of course those people should be paid more. Unfortunately out corporate run country doesn't want to pay anyone decently. Why have wages basically been flat for the last forty years despite massive productivity gains?If what you say were even remotely true, you would hear non stop complaint in every industry about wages. Legitimate complaints. Reality is, you only hear about it pertaining to entry level, non skilled labor. Millions get paid decently, otherwise, according to your observations, nobody could pay any of their bills or own anything. Look around you, is that really the case? Trying to bring everyone down to accommodate the lowest common denominator, and falsely blaming the top of the chain is a short sighted recipe for disaster.
The right has been pushing this trickle down economic theory for so long and we've tried it. It doesn't trickle down. It's like telling Mexico they can have whatever water trickles down to them in the Colorado River... guess what that shits dry by the time it hits the border because we've taken it all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AM
Quote from: guest on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AMIf it'd be "incredibly destructive" to raise minimum wage above $7.25 now, why didn't every company go bankrupt in the 60s when minimum wage was $10+ (adjusted for inflation).Because inflation is only part of the equation. Nice cherry pick. How did people survive 17% interest in the 80's on minimum wage?
QuoteIn what world does "being paid enough to survive" equal being able to afford any and every luxury? Since you're being serious, I gotta ask: are you retarded?Only if I try to relate on your level.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AM
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AMYes it is the case. Pay is the number one reason people leave one job for another - regardless of industry, education, pay level etc...Quote from: BlueBMW on 09/08/2017, 09:32 AMWhat does paying low skill labor a livable wage have to do with people who have better skills and degrees? Of course those people should be paid more. Unfortunately out corporate run country doesn't want to pay anyone decently. Why have wages basically been flat for the last forty years despite massive productivity gains?If what you say were even remotely true, you would hear non stop complaint in every industry about wages. Legitimate complaints. Reality is, you only hear about it pertaining to entry level, non skilled labor. Millions get paid decently, otherwise, according to your observations, nobody could pay any of their bills or own anything. Look around you, is that really the case? Trying to bring everyone down to accommodate the lowest common denominator, and falsely blaming the top of the chain is a short sighted recipe for disaster.
The right has been pushing this trickle down economic theory for so long and we've tried it. It doesn't trickle down. It's like telling Mexico they can have whatever water trickles down to them in the Colorado River... guess what that shits dry by the time it hits the border because we've taken it all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AM
Post by: o.pwuaioc on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AMIf what you say were even remotely true, you would hear non stop complaint in every industry about wages. Legitimate complaints. Reality is, you only hear about it pertaining to entry level, non skilled labor.BULL FUCKING SHIT. Now I know you're talking out of your ass.
Why should anyone engage you further when you're deliberately lying and making shit up?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/08/2017, 11:17 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/08/2017, 11:17 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AMIf what you say were even remotely true, you would hear non stop complaint in every industry about wages. Legitimate complaints. Reality is, you only hear about it pertaining to entry level, non skilled labor. Millions get paid decently, otherwise, according to your observations, nobody could pay any of their bills or own anything. Look around you, is that really the case? Trying to bring everyone down to accommodate the lowest common denominator, and falsely blaming the top of the chain is a short sighted recipe for disaster.Yep, nobody has complained about the the shrinking middle class or stagnant wages. :roll:
You've answered my previous question: you are retarded (and a troll liar piece of shit, but who's counting?).
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AMBecause inflation is only part of the equation. Nice cherry pick. How did people survive 17% interest in the 80's on minimum wage?I don't know what ignorant point you're trying to make here, but the fact remains that minimum wage peeked in the late 60s in terms of buying power, and it was substantially higher than what minimum wage will buy today; if a higher minimum wage didn't destroy companies then, why would it now?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:49 AM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:49 AM
Quote from: Lost Monkey on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AMCorrect, but my question was pertaining to people not being able to survive, not happiness. I think we both would agree you have a greater chance to make more money when you aren't in the entry level. Maybe not happy, but you can make more.Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AMYes it is the case. Pay is the number one reason people leave one job for another - regardless of industry, education, pay level etc...Quote from: BlueBMW on 09/08/2017, 09:32 AMWhat does paying low skill labor a livable wage have to do with people who have better skills and degrees? Of course those people should be paid more. Unfortunately out corporate run country doesn't want to pay anyone decently. Why have wages basically been flat for the last forty years despite massive productivity gains?If what you say were even remotely true, you would hear non stop complaint in every industry about wages. Legitimate complaints. Reality is, you only hear about it pertaining to entry level, non skilled labor. Millions get paid decently, otherwise, according to your observations, nobody could pay any of their bills or own anything. Look around you, is that really the case? Trying to bring everyone down to accommodate the lowest common denominator, and falsely blaming the top of the chain is a short sighted recipe for disaster.
The right has been pushing this trickle down economic theory for so long and we've tried it. It doesn't trickle down. It's like telling Mexico they can have whatever water trickles down to them in the Colorado River... guess what that shits dry by the time it hits the border because we've taken it all.
I assume, that your previous comments about your grandfather and father were made to show me I am wrong. To me that doesn't matter. I do hope, and assume you do, that you appreciate all that both did so you could become who you are. I love honorable people who can put what they want out of their minds, to do what is needed for their families. It reminds me of my own family and we should be humbled by what they achieved and never once considered giving up on us.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 12:03 PM
Post by: LostFlunky on 09/08/2017, 12:03 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:49 AMI assume, that your previous comments about your grandfather and father were made to show me I am wrong. To me that doesn't matter. I do hope, and assume you do, that you appreciate all that both did so you could become who you are. I love honorable people who can put what they want out of their minds, to do what is needed for their families. It reminds me of my own family and we should be humbled by what they achieved and never once considered giving up on us.How can you expect (and love) honour on an individual basis and not on a corporate basis?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 12:24 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 12:24 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/08/2017, 11:17 AMLook, lets clear the air. I would be lying if I said I wasn't flattered by your hard-on when I come around. But, as I was saying at the beginning, you aren't what I look for. I am not attracted to people who mistake a condescending attitude with strength, or strength in numbers as superiority. I am not into people who feel they solely have all knowledge and facts, and I like strong people, ones who don't need to compensate at every turn. I like people who aren't so weak, that they scream and shout how right they are about everything even after claiming otherwise. I like people with substance. You have none. Text book internet arguer, zero originality. You are a dime a dozen. I can go to any internet forum and there you are. The guy that has the supermodel wife, 10 inch ding dong, financial expertise and that guy that makes anyone who is in his presence, 100% better. You are, in your mind, the GOAT.Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:44 AMIf what you say were even remotely true, you would hear non stop complaint in every industry about wages. Legitimate complaints. Reality is, you only hear about it pertaining to entry level, non skilled labor. Millions get paid decently, otherwise, according to your observations, nobody could pay any of their bills or own anything. Look around you, is that really the case? Trying to bring everyone down to accommodate the lowest common denominator, and falsely blaming the top of the chain is a short sighted recipe for disaster.Yep, nobody has complained about the the shrinking middle class or stagnant wages. :roll:
You've answered my previous question: you are retarded (and a troll liar piece of shit, but who's counting?).Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:00 AMBecause inflation is only part of the equation. Nice cherry pick. How did people survive 17% interest in the 80's on minimum wage?I don't know what ignorant point you're trying to make here, but the fact remains that minimum wage peeked in the late 60s in terms of buying power, and it was substantially higher than what minimum wage will buy today; if a higher minimum wage didn't destroy companies then, why would it now?
I don't want to be your peer or ever on your level. It is difficult to even try to have a discussion with the likes of you but you always mistake that for you "winning" at every turn. You actively have and use the word "chucklefuck" in your vocabulary. I don't know where to even begin with that. My point is, not responding to that can be your internet victory if that's what you need. I am not going anywhere. Keep at it. I didn't join a video game forum and expect that there really were political, economical, scientific, and financial experts. I certainly knew they all wouldn't be contained in one person. I was right about that at least.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/08/2017, 12:47 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/08/2017, 12:47 PM
What, no more alternate facts and make believe paraphrasing? The poor little troll can't debate his way out of a paper sack.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 12:24 PMLook, lets clear the air. I would be lying if I said I wasn't flattered by your hard-on when I come around. But, as I was saying at the beginning, you aren't what I look for. I am not attracted to people who mistake a condescending attitude with strength, or strength in numbers as superiority. I am not into people who feel they solely have all knowledge and facts, and I like strong people, ones who don't need to compensate at every turn. I like people who aren't so weak, that they scream and shout how right they are about everything even after claiming otherwise. I like people with substance. You have none. Text book internet arguer, zero originality. You are a dime a dozen. I can go to any internet forum and there you are. The guy that has the supermodel wife, 10 inch ding dong, financial expertise and that guy that makes anyone who is in his presence, 100% better. You are, in your mind, the GOAT.I'll say it again: people that truly don't care about something don't proclaim over and over again that they don't care.
I don't want to be your peer or ever on your level. It is difficult to even try to have a discussion with the likes of you but you always mistake that for you "winning" at every turn.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 12:24 PMYou actively have and use the word "chucklefuck" in your vocabulary. I don't know where to even begin with that.That one really got to you, eh? :lol:
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 12:24 PMMy point is, not responding to that can be your internet victory if that's what you need. I am not going anywhere. Keep at it. I didn't join a video game forum and expect that there really were political, economical, scientific, and financial experts. I certainly knew they all wouldn't be contained in one person. I was right about that at least.What exactly did you join (and stay) here for? It obviously isn't to talk about games.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 09/08/2017, 05:32 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 09/08/2017, 05:32 PM
I would assume that he joined because he deleted his account in a fit of rage over some thread or other. After realizing that he missed the lulz from posting obnoxious stuff he rejoined so he can now make personal attacks when his arguments aren't quite as well thought out with obvious brilliance as he perceived them.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:06 PM
Post by: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:06 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:34 AMPlease actually look it up before saying such incorrect things.Quote from: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:04 AMIt seems some people don't understand the whole point of implementing the minimum wage and should look up some history.Supply and demand. What is your point?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:09 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:09 PM
Quote from: Lost Monkey on 09/08/2017, 12:03 PMThis took me a while to try to find an answer. I still don't see a way to connect these dots. I guess best I can do is this.Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 11:49 AMI assume, that your previous comments about your grandfather and father were made to show me I am wrong. To me that doesn't matter. I do hope, and assume you do, that you appreciate all that both did so you could become who you are. I love honorable people who can put what they want out of their minds, to do what is needed for their families. It reminds me of my own family and we should be humbled by what they achieved and never once considered giving up on us.How can you expect (and love) honour on an individual basis and not on a corporate basis?
IIRC, Honda plants in N America do not have these management/employee pay gap issues. Management makes very little more than line workers and they are expected to work all of the jobs at the plant when needed. How cool is that? So it can be done and it can work. They make a good products, have very few skeletons in the closet and maintain good relationships with all employees and customers. This is what you are after I think.
I like it. It would be a nice change in the landscape of corporate America and have always felt we could be better and more productive following Japanese work ethics. Ok, except for the jumping out of a building when you fail. But, you have to be reasonable. They don't have the most scrupulous businesses there either. So maybe we can work on the management/employee gap with those ethics and then work on more accountability at the upper levels. I don't know. Glad I don't need to figure it out, because it seems it would be a very daunting task.
I find it easier to hold an individual accountable or admirable because we are all under the same set of rules in the workforce or as citizens. Corporations and government are on their own level with different rules. I can't reasonably figure a way, with my limited understanding of their set of rules or lack of, to see the 2 as even remotely the same. I can't ever imagine being proud or admirable of a company that sells me something. That has never even crossed my mind. They are as faceless to me as I am to them I guess. But, people like you had in your life, just as faceless to me, are what we were built on and left a lasting impression.
Best I could do bro.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:27 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:27 PM
Quote from: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:06 PMIt was for worker protection, much like unions. Basically it means, if I could pay you less than this and get away with it, I would, but laws prevent me from doing so. Also, a minimum standard of living, economic protection and basic neccesities. The supply and demand was tongue in cheek because that's the new argument about it. Carry on.Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:34 AMPlease actually look it up before saying such incorrect things.Quote from: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 08:04 AMIt seems some people don't understand the whole point of implementing the minimum wage and should look up some history.Supply and demand. What is your point?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:46 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:46 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 09/08/2017, 05:32 PMI would assume that he joined because he deleted his account in a fit of rage over some thread or other. After realizing that he missed the lulz from posting obnoxious stuff he rejoined so he can now make personal attacks when his arguments aren't quite as well thought out with obvious brilliance as he perceived them.Interesting concept. Personal attacks. Retard, chucklefuck, stupid, douche these are all descriptions of me!! I did call the internet forum cliche Rambo though. Funny you mentioned personal attacks but I saw no need to. Why is that? I have not seen the need to question anyones intelligence or ability to read because they don't agree with me. I wouldn't even think of calling someone a retard because they don't think as I do lol. But you did just confirm that it is indeed a circle jerk. Glad I am not part of it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:02 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:02 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/08/2017, 12:47 PMI'll say it again: people that truly don't care about something don't proclaim over and over again that they don't care.Keep saying it. All I have to do is show up and in no time, you come running in, keyboard locked and loaded. I know you truly do care =D>
QuoteWhat exactly did you join (and stay) here for? It obviously isn't to talk about games.Boxes. I collect only the boxes for TG games. Or maybe it was because I like Bonk. Can't remember.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 10:58 PM
Post by: OldRover on 09/08/2017, 10:58 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:27 PMIt was for worker protection, much like unions.Yes, to put it succinctly.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:27 PMBasically it means, if I could pay you less than this and get away with it, I would, but laws prevent me from doing so.This is how it's actually applied today.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:27 PMAlso, a minimum standard of living, economic protection and basic neccesities.Sort of. The whole purpose of the minimum wage was to ensure that anyone willing to work would make enough money to live a good life. Today... that never fucking happens. Nowadays, the minimum wage is treated as pocket change for high school kids. Corporate greed has perverted its purpose.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:27 PMThe supply and demand was tongue in cheek because that's the new argument about it.And since when did you use neoliberal claptraps to make an argument? :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/11/2017, 11:33 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/11/2017, 11:33 AM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 09:46 PMInteresting concept. Personal attacks. Retard, chucklefuck, stupid, douche these are all descriptions of me!! I did call the internet forum cliche Rambo though. Funny you mentioned personal attacks but I saw no need to. Why is that? I have not seen the need to question anyones intelligence or ability to read because they don't agree with me. I wouldn't even think of calling someone a retard because they don't think as I do lol.Try again. You're not being insulted simply because you disagree; it's because you're putting words in people's mouths, intentionally obfuscating points with irrelevant tangents, double posting like a dumbfuck, and lying through your teeth (either intentionally or out of ignorance).
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/08/2017, 10:02 PMKeep saying it. All I have to do is show up and in no time, you come running in, keyboard locked and loaded. I know you truly do care =D>Yep, I'm active in many threads and post often. Why does this bother you so?
Trump managed to actually sound presidential with his 9/11 commemoration, much better than his history of 9/11 comments:
- bragging about his building now being the tallest in the area
- how thousands of make believe muslims were celebrating
- extending messages of peace, even to haters and losers
Added 9/14 -
Quote from: President CheetoDoes anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....Yeah, it's not like you campaigned on kicking ALL of them out or anything. Flip-flop-flippitty-flop. :lol:
...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PM
Post by: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/11/2017, 11:33 AMTry again. You're not being insulted simply because you disagree; it's because you're putting words in people's mouths, intentionally obfuscating points with irrelevant tangents, double posting like a dumbfuck, and lying through your teeth (either intentionally or out of ignorance).Try again. I haven't been insulted because I have considered the sources. Talking to anyone like that is a joke. Amongst friends, fine but when trying to make a point? Weak. Wow, you can swear. Bad. Ass. This hypocrisy is one of the reasons I jumped in this thread. I already called out 2 of them for accusing me
of doing things that you were the one doing. That would be the lying you speak of right? I thought this was fighting street, do the goal posts move here too? logical fallacies, claiming opinions as facts, stretching of truth, and close minded group think. You are guilty of every single one of those, yet wanna call out for it? LMFAO!!
QuoteYep, I'm active in many threads and post often. Why does this bother you so?At what point do I even allude to it bothering me? Stretching to have a point again. It has been you that felt the need to quote me from the start. Obfuscating yes? LOL
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/14/2017, 04:22 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 09/14/2017, 04:22 PM
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PMTry again. I haven't been insulted because I have considered the sources.in·sult (verb) - speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse
As you can see, whether or not you were personally offended is not a factor. Learn English and try again.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PMTalking to anyone like that is a joke. Amongst friends, fine but when trying to make a point? Weak. Wow, you can swear. Bad. Ass.You realize you've tossed out plenty of insults and curses in this thread, right? Dry your crocodile tears, bitch.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PMThis hypocrisy is one of the reasons I jumped in this thread. I already called out 2 of them for accusing me of doing things that you were the one doing. That would be the lying you speak of right?Nope. I mean your use of alternate facts and intentional mischaracterization of other's comments.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PMI thought this was fighting street, do the goal posts move here too?Nowhere have I said you can't lie, be insulting, or otherwise be a piece of shit troll, so you can stuff your whiny persecution act.
There are no rules against such behavior on Fighting Street, but neither is there a rule prohibiting people from calling you on the carpet for it.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PMlogical fallacies, claiming opinions as facts, stretching of truth, and close minded group think. You are guilty of every single one of those, yet wanna call out for it? LMFAO!!I'm not always right, of course, but unlike yourself, I don't go out of my way to post obvious lies, twist other's words, or change the subject when I've been shown wrong.
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PMAt what point do I even allude to it bothering me? Stretching to have a point again.When someone bitches about a certain point repeatedly, it's pretty obvious that it bothers them. Maybe you hope saying "It doesn't bother me!" enough times will make it true. :lol:
Quote from: itsatarp on 09/14/2017, 01:14 PMIt has been you that felt the need to quote me from the start. Obfuscating yes? LOLSo quoting a specific point and directly responding to it is a bad thing and makes things less clear? Sounds logical, bruh.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: turboswimbz on 09/15/2017, 08:14 PM
Post by: turboswimbz on 09/15/2017, 08:14 PM
(https://web.archive.org/web/20191119192942im_/https://i.imgur.com/vRcZMxv.gif)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 09/20/2017, 08:51 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 09/20/2017, 08:51 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Global warming is an expensive hoax. Pro wrestling is real."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Global warming is an expensive hoax. Pro wrestling is real."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 11/22/2017, 03:32 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 11/22/2017, 03:32 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Nobody talks about me anymore in this thread. SAD."
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Nobody talks about me anymore in this thread. SAD."
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BlueBMW on 11/26/2017, 12:51 AM
Post by: BlueBMW on 11/26/2017, 12:51 AM
He's still president? Sad...
But seriously, how is he still president and how do his supports still support him? I cant figure it out.
But seriously, how is he still president and how do his supports still support him? I cant figure it out.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 11/26/2017, 06:21 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 11/26/2017, 06:21 PM
Quote from: BlueBMW on 11/26/2017, 12:51 AMHe's still president? Sad...I'm pretty sure that his supporters will support him no matter what happens. As the recording of his "locker room talk" didn't affect that I think that nothing will. I'm hoping Mueller's investigation heats up and gets him out of office.
But seriously, how is he still president and how do his supports still support him? I cant figure it out.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/27/2017, 12:17 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 11/27/2017, 12:17 PM
Morons will continue to support him because in their minds every bad thing he does is acceptable because Hilary would've done worse.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jperryss on 11/27/2017, 12:46 PM
Post by: jperryss on 11/27/2017, 12:46 PM
http://trumpgolfcount.com/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 11/27/2017, 08:49 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 11/27/2017, 08:49 PM
Quote from: jperryss on 11/27/2017, 12:46 PMhttp://trumpgolfcount.com/::sigh::
Where's Fox News about this? I vividly remember them complaining about the $44M that Obama spent.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/01/2017, 07:57 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/01/2017, 07:57 PM
And Flynn pleads guilty to two counts of lying to the FBI. Maybe I'm a tin-foil hat wearing lunatic, but I wonder what they actually have on him to make him plead guilty to anything...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jtucci31 on 12/03/2017, 11:18 AM
Post by: jtucci31 on 12/03/2017, 11:18 AM
Quote from: seieienbu on 12/01/2017, 07:57 PMAnd Flynn pleads guilty to two counts of lying to the FBI. Maybe I'm a tin-foil hat wearing lunatic, but I wonder what they actually have on him to make him plead guilty to anything...No tin foil hat needed for this one at all. This shit seems pretty apparent.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/03/2017, 08:37 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/03/2017, 08:37 PM
I read trump's twitter and he just won't shut up about Hillary. It's pathetic.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/06/2017, 11:56 PM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/06/2017, 11:56 PM
Come on Demies, you guys can do better than this.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-votes-down-trump-impeachment-221652784.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-votes-down-trump-impeachment-221652784.html
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/07/2017, 09:30 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/07/2017, 09:30 AM
I think it was too soon. They should wait for Mueller and the various congressional inquiries to finish.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/07/2017, 10:21 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 12/07/2017, 10:21 AM
And then this happened:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42261000
What. On. Earth. Is. He. Thinking. World War 3 anyone?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42261000
What. On. Earth. Is. He. Thinking. World War 3 anyone?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: turboswimbz on 12/09/2017, 10:12 AM
Post by: turboswimbz on 12/09/2017, 10:12 AM
For all the questionable things,
I have to say at least my investments are doing great. . .
Sometimes I just like to look for the positives.
I have to say at least my investments are doing great. . .
Sometimes I just like to look for the positives.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/11/2017, 11:17 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/11/2017, 11:17 AM
I'll give him credit for some of the stock market increases, but it's not like it was crashing before Trump. If you followed the DOW trajectory from early in Obama's presidency, it'd be at ~22,000 anyway.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 12/11/2017, 03:58 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 12/11/2017, 03:58 PM
Quote from: guest on 12/11/2017, 11:17 AMI'll give him credit for some of the stock market increases, but it's not like it was crashing before Trump. If you followed the DOW trajectory from early in Obama's presidency, it'd be at ~22,000 anyway.So what you are saying is, Trump hasn't fucked it up?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: turboswimbz on 12/11/2017, 05:40 PM
Post by: turboswimbz on 12/11/2017, 05:40 PM
Quote from: Bornist on 12/11/2017, 03:58 PMI thought it was obviously what I was saying between the lines. . .Quote from: guest on 12/11/2017, 11:17 AMI'll give him credit for some of the stock market increases, but it's not like it was crashing before Trump. If you followed the DOW trajectory from early in Obama's presidency, it'd be at ~22,000 anyway.So what you are saying is, Trump hasn't fucked it up?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 03:38 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 03:38 PM
Quote from: jperryss on 11/27/2017, 12:46 PMhttp://trumpgolfcount.com/
He owns golf courses. He has vacation homes at golf courses. He spends his time away from the White House on his own properties and does business and spends time negotiating while golfing. That's the difference between him and Obama on that front. Face it, Trump is already doing more for this country than Obama did in eight years. While the left just cries racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia all day and calls him a Nazi, Stalin, KKK, Trump is actually getting shit done. Seriously, that's all the left has. Oh, and that Trump is going to kill all these poor people by taking from them and giving it all to those evil, slimy corrupt horrible greedy rich people who stole everything from the innocent little guy. It's the same recycled garbage used over and over by wealthy socialist Democrats stoking class warfare and racial tension to keep getting re-elected. While the left sits around worshipping Crazy Bernie the millionaire socialist and those charitable Clintons who somehow ended up making a couple hundred million dollars over the last 20 years, Trump is working to solve the major problems this country has been facing for years but few politician have had the guts to tackle. And that's in the face of an unprecedented misinformation and slander campaign by the overwhelming majority of the media, the Dems, and many Republicans. In the end nothing will come of this whole Russia investigation scam other than it being a calculated plan to stymie Trump as much a possible by both the Dems, some Republican "Never Trumpers", and some within the intelligence community. Slowly but surely the details of the real collusion are coming out with the whole dossier, Fusion GPS, and the Dems and in the end it will be interesting to see how it all comes out.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 05:15 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 05:15 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 03:38 PMFace it, Trump is already doing more for this country than Obama did in eight years. While the left just cries racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia all day and calls him a Nazi, Stalin, KKK, Trump is actually getting shit done.What "shit" exactly is Trump accomplishing?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:19 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:19 PM
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-10/16/3/enhanced/webdr13/original-28942-1444980271-4.jpg?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 05:38 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 05:38 PM
...so, the "shit" trump is accomplishing is posting Sanders memes?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 05:15 PMI could make a lengthy list of things he and those in his administration have accomplished but really, why bother? If you're even somewhat politically informed you already know what he's done and will either attribute it to Obama (stock market, GDP growth, crushing of ISIS, low unemployment, job growth, consumer confidence, etc), call it racism (decrease in border crossings, gang member arrests, travel ban, US embassy moving to Jerusalem, etc), call it hand outs for the rich and corporations (tax bill, cutting regulations, net neutrality gone, etc), a war on women (rollback of contraceptive mandate in Obamacare, rollback of Mexico City Policy, amending Title IX guidelines, etc), a war on the environment (drilling in Anwar, Keystone, XL pipelines, pulling out of Paris Climate Accord) and whatever else. I'm sure there's an insidious motive behind reforming the VA, pulling out of TPP, decertifying the Iran nuclear deal, and everything else because he's a horrible, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, transphobic monster, right?Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 03:38 PMFace it, Trump is already doing more for this country than Obama did in eight years. While the left just cries racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia all day and calls him a Nazi, Stalin, KKK, Trump is actually getting shit done.What "shit" exactly is Trump accomplishing?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 06:15 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 06:15 PM
Great. He's a corporate shill giving big business what they want and he's creating fear where none should be to create a boogeyman enemy to oppose. That's "getting shit done" apparently.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/28/2017, 06:26 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 12/28/2017, 06:26 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PMI could make a lengthy list of things he and those in his administration have accomplished but really, why bother? If you're even somewhat politically informed you already know what he's done and will either attribute it to Obama (stock market, GDP growth, crushing of ISIS, low unemployment, job growth, consumer confidence, etc), call it racism (decrease in border crossings, gang member arrests, travel ban, US embassy moving to Jerusalem, etc), call it hand outs for the rich and corporations (tax bill, cutting regulations, net neutrality gone, etc), a war on women (rollback of contraceptive mandate in Obamacare, rollback of Mexico City Policy, amending Title IX guidelines, etc), a war on the environment (drilling in Anwar, Keystone, XL pipelines, pulling out of Paris Climate Accord) and whatever else. I'm sure there's an insidious motive behind reforming the VA, pulling out of TPP, decertifying the Iran nuclear deal, and everything else because he's a horrible, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, transphobic monster, right?Here's a crazy thought: maybe I disagree with things he's doing just because I think he's wrong or that they'll do more harm than good.
Only an ignorant piece of shit would dismiss every argument against Trump's actions as being born from hatred of him personally. Give up now. You have nothing intelligent to bring to the discussion.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 06:42 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 06:42 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 06:15 PMGreat. He's a corporate shill giving big business what they want and he's creating fear where none should be to create a boogeyman enemy to oppose. That's "getting shit done" apparently.Um, not all businesses are big businesses. The tax bill benefits small businesses and they make up the majority of all businesses. You lefties demonize business but they're the job creators. Not everyone can get a posh government job where you can't get fired, make on average more than in the private sector, and get every federal holiday off. Quit watching MSNBC so much. Also, this boogie man you're talking about. You lefties are all a bunch of Neville Chamberlains, thinking you can apologize, appease, or pay off anyone who would do this nation and it's people harm. No need to create an enemy to oppose. Unfortunately there are plenty outside of this country and within as well.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 12/28/2017, 06:58 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 12/28/2017, 06:58 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PMI could make a lengthy list of things he and those in his administration have accomplished but really, why bother?Why bother? Because you have a fucking point to make. You can't come into a discussion, say "You guys are wrong, but I'm not going to actually give examples of why you are wrong. You just are!"
List five things that he has done to improve this country since he has been inaugurated. Five, with some sort of documented backup.
Was Obama fantastic? Nope, not even close. But he wasn't a maniacal, egotistical, racist, misogynistic, bafoon.
He is moving this country backwards, in so many ways.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 07:04 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 07:04 PM
A quick google search points to over half the money going to the super rich. I'd much rather the government keep my tax refund if that means that the rich guys paid taxes.
I want the government to continue paying off social security to all the elderly who paid in. I want the government to provide good schools for children to gain an education. I want the government to have good roads for people to use. I don't want the top 1% to gain a trillion dollars that could have gone to these things.
I want the government to continue paying off social security to all the elderly who paid in. I want the government to provide good schools for children to gain an education. I want the government to have good roads for people to use. I don't want the top 1% to gain a trillion dollars that could have gone to these things.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 07:08 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 07:08 PM
Quote from: Bornist on 12/28/2017, 06:58 PMIf you actually read my post I listed numerous things but I'm not going to waste my time writing a dissertation with "documented backup" when you didn't even read my post. It's up to you to do some research instead of watching MSNBC and looking at the Huffpost and Vox all day.Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PMI could make a lengthy list of things he and those in his administration have accomplished but really, why bother?Why bother? Because you have a fucking point to make. You cant come into a discussion, say You guys are wrong, but Im not going to actually give examples of why you are wrong. You just are!
List five things that he has done to improve this country since he has been inaugurated. Five, with some sort of documented backup.
Was Obama fantastic? Nope, not even close. But he wasnt a maniacal, egotistical, racist, misogynistic, bafoon.
He is moving this country backwards, in so many ways.
As for Obama not being a "maniacal, egotistical, racist, misogynistic, bafoon" he most certainly was egotistical, racist, and a buffoon. And moving the country backwards? Seriously? In what way?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 07:40 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 07:40 PM
Funny how the Democrats used to sound like Trump. Just goes to show how far left the Dems have gone. What was that about a boogiemam? Be honest. The Democrats looked at demographic projections and figured it was in their best interests to get on the side of the immigrants in the name of political power.
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 08:21 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 08:21 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 07:04 PMA quick google search points to over half the money going to the super rich. I'd much rather the government keep my tax refund if that means that the rich guys paid taxes.Um, so you do know that the "rich guys" pay the overwhelming majority of taxes, right? The top 1% pays roughly 40% of all income taxes. The top 10% pay roughly 70% while the bottom 50% pay around 3%. Yes, the wealthy have most of the money but they also pay most of the taxes. Why liberals think the rich pay no taxes is beyond me. Someone has to pay for all those child tax credits for the people making under $20,000 with three kids and no high school diploma.
QuoteI want the government to continue paying off social security to all the elderly who paid in. I want the government to provide good schools for children to gain an education. I want the government to have good roads for people to use. I don't want the top 1% to gain a trillion dollars that could have gone to these things.Maybe if the majority of budget spending didn't go towards Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid along with all the immense waste within the government we could do those things, though I'd say in large part our education problems aren't a money issue but rather cultural decline.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 08:49 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 08:49 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 08:21 PMUm, so you do know that the "rich guys" pay the overwhelming majority of taxes, right? The top 1% pays roughly 40% of all income taxes. The top 10% pay roughly 70% while the bottom 50% pay around 3%. Yes, the wealthy have most of the money but they also pay most of the taxes. Why liberals think the rich pay no taxes is beyond me. Someone has to pay for all those child tax credits for the people making under $20,000 with three kids and no high school diploma.Perhaps I could write this in a way that someone from the moral write could relate: For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required
Politicians, like Trump, have their stupidly expensive elections paid for by oligarchs like the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers spent $889 million on the 2016 election. Why? Because it makes them money in the long run. If they wouldn't make billions from funding elections then they wouldn't pay for it. I dislike how the mega rich will waste vast sums of money on campaign ads, fake news stories on social media, and overall nothing of worth to save themselves money.
Why yes, they Do often pay more money to the US coffers than I do but I honestly don't care. They have more money; vastly more money. If I can pay my taxes then they can pay their capital gains taxes (which are at a lower rate than what I pay) and not decide "It's unfair to me because I'm rich so I should buy some politicians to make things better."
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 08:21 PMMaybe if the majority of budget spending didn't go towards Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid along with all the immense waste within the government we could do those things, though I'd say in large part our education problems aren't a money issue but rather cultural decline.Immense waste like spending $150k on golf carts at Trump's hotel? Money from taxpayers like me that eventually goes back into Trump's pockets? Yeah, I'd much rather that money went to retired elderly or was spent on medicine and vaccines for poor children. A definition of government waste is essentially every stupid thing Trump does to help himself jerk off to how great of a human being he is.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 12/28/2017, 09:13 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 12/28/2017, 09:13 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 07:08 PMIf you actually read my post I listed numerous things but I'm not going to waste my time writing a dissertation with "documented backup" when you didn't even read my post. It's up to you to do some research instead of watching MSNBC and looking at the Huffpost and Vox all day.I did read your post, or at least tried to. I'm not sure you made an actual point. You rambled about things that are going on and how someone on the left would perceive them.
As for Obama not being a "maniacal, egotistical, racist, misogynistic, bafoon" he most certainly was egotistical, racist, and a buffoon. And moving the country backwards? Seriously? In what way?
I have done research. I don't take this shit lightly. I do not watch MSNBC, or hardly any TV for that matter, especially broadcast news. I don't read huff post or vox (whatever the fuck that is). I like to keep tabs on US politics from international sources mostly.
He (and when I say he, I am including his administration) have begun to DECIMATE rights for the LGBT community. He has pushed for a near theocracy. He has sold out what protected areas we have left so they can be developed. He is embracing fossil fuels while the rest of the world is moving on to renewables.
His tax plan has a slight silver lining. Maybe his cut on corporate tax will get some industries to move back to the US.
As for him taking credit for a lot of the prosperity in the US this past year...sure, right. The DOW was on the way up when Obama was still in office and Trump was daydreaming about ramming his daughter. Jobs were slowly making a comeback.
Politics is not an overnight thing. What ever he decides or signs off on today will not show fruition in the next week, month, or even year more than likely.
Not only is he poor at what he does, he surrounds himself by backwards thinking, ignorant people in his administration.
At least W had a decent administration, albeit morally bankrupt, they at least understood diplomacy and how to keep the country running decently.
I tried to give him a chance. It just seems eveytime he does something that I think "ah good, maybe we aren't totally fucked" he does something to change my mind.
Now, in closing, don't get me wrong, all politicians are shit. It's nit just Trump. Maybe I'm a slight anarchist, but I say dissolve the government, and start over. Set short term limits on all positions. Get rid of career politicians. Get a control over the money used in elections and all other things. Make lobbying illegal (which I know Trump has at least put a time period on when someone can go from politician to being a lobbyist, so yay him).
Title: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 12/29/2017, 08:28 AM
Post by: esteban on 12/29/2017, 08:28 AM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 08:21 PMComrade, we are diametrically opposed politically.Quote from: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 07:04 PMA quick google search points to over half the money going to the super rich. I'd much rather the government keep my tax refund if that means that the rich guys paid taxes....
Maybe if...
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HOWEVER, I offer this because PCE:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?t=4m55s&v=AnJadT9An04
(Jump to 04:55 if the link doesn't work properly!)
Please enjoy this brief moment of common ground I have painstakingly nurtured for the pcefx community.
You are welcome
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 12/29/2017, 11:50 AM
Post by: JoshTurboTrollX on 12/29/2017, 11:50 AM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 03:38 PMFace it, Trump is already doing more for this country than Obama did in eight years. While the left just cries racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia all day and calls him a Nazi, Stalin, KKK, Trump is actually getting shit done.(https://media.makeameme.org/created/believe-me-i-4z2pxk.jpg)
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PMI could make a lengthy list of things he and those in his administration have accomplished but really, why bother?(https://i.imgflip.com/1igyrc.jpg)
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PMIf you're even somewhat politically informed you already know what he's done and will either attribute it to Obama (stock market, GDP growth, crushing of ISIS, low unemployment, job growth, consumer confidence, etc), call it racism (decrease in border crossings, gang member arrests, travel ban, US embassy moving to Jerusalem, etc), call it hand outs for the rich and corporations (tax bill, cutting regulations, net neutrality gone, etc), a war on women (rollback of contraceptive mandate in Obamacare, rollback of Mexico City Policy, amending Title IX guidelines, etc), a war on the environment (drilling in Anwar, Keystone, XL pipelines, pulling out of Paris Climate Accord) and whatever else.(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/692/19789999.jpg)
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 05:51 PMI'm sure there's an insidious motive behind reforming the VA, pulling out of TPP, decertifying the Iran nuclear deal, and everything else because he's a horrible, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, transphobic monster, right?(https://i.imgflip.com/14oyh9.jpg)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 12/29/2017, 03:33 PM
Post by: ClodBusted on 12/29/2017, 03:33 PM
Trump twitters today:
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: turboswimbz on 12/29/2017, 04:03 PM
Post by: turboswimbz on 12/29/2017, 04:03 PM
For the Record: I have found that Democrats are generally quite against immigration and have been for decades. Most of their, recent so called support is just to oppose the opposite side.
Also I find Rich people aren't the issues, Corporations are.
If either side go there heads out of their asses and stopped fighting with the other side maybe we'd actually close up some debt
Then again keeping people divided works wonders for those that use it
Also I find Rich people aren't the issues, Corporations are.
If either side go there heads out of their asses and stopped fighting with the other side maybe we'd actually close up some debt
Then again keeping people divided works wonders for those that use it
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 06:34 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 06:34 PM
QuotePerhaps I could write this in a way that someone from the moral write could relate: For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much requiredGiven? Spoken like a true liberal. Not every rich person was born with money. Not everyone had their wealth given to them. Most wealthy people worked hard for their money, took chances, failed a few times along the way, etc. Yeah, Trump was born into money and then he built it up exponentially but this whole deep seated anti-wealth idea on the left is ridiculous, especially considering most of the leaders of the left are filthy rich themselves.
QuotePoliticians, like Trump, have their stupidly expensive elections paid for by oligarchs like the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers spent $889 million on the 2016 election. Why? Because it makes them money in the long run. If they wouldn't make billions from funding elections then they wouldn't pay for it. I dislike how the mega rich will waste vast sums of money on campaign ads, fake news stories on social media, and overall nothing of worth to save themselves money.
Yes, elections are far too expensive and there is too much money buying influence within politics. Keep in mind that Trump pretty much funded his entire primary run for the Republican nomination with $50 million of his own money and a few million in small donations, and overall spent millions more of his own money against Hillary. Also, he ended spending much less than Hillary, somewhere around $1.4 billion vs $900 million. One does have to wonder why Hillary, awash in CGI money, didn't any of her own money.
QuoteWhy yes, they Do often pay more money to the US coffers than I do but I honestly don't care. They have more money; vastly more money. If I can pay my taxes then they can pay their capital gains taxes (which are at a lower rate than what I pay) and not decide "It's unfair to me because I'm rich so I should buy some politicians to make things better."Often pay more? Get real. You already know they pay more taxes to the US coffers than you do. Quite whining.
QuoteImmense waste like spending $150k on golf carts at Trump's hotel? Money from taxpayers like me that eventually goes back into Trump's pockets? Yeah, I'd much rather that money went to retired elderly or was spent on medicine and vaccines for poor children. A definition of government waste is essentially every stupid thing Trump does to help himself jerk off to how great of a human being he is.Funny, Democrats didn't care about how much how much money it cost to fly Obama around for 8 years. Now, you do know it cost $105,662,975 for Obama's vacations and travels over his 8 years, right? ONE HUNDERED AND FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. Democrats are so funny. You guys add $10 trillion to the debt then all of a sudden you become deficit hawks when Trump takes office. Give me a break.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 07:09 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 07:09 PM
QuoteI have done research. I dont take this shit lightly. I do not watch MSNBC, or hardly any TV for that matter, especially broadcast news. I dont read huff post or vox (whatever the fuck that is). I like to keep tabs on US politics from international sources mostly.What, you sit around watching Al Jazeera and BBC all day? No wonder you're so misinformed.
QuoteHe (and when I say he, I am including his administration) have begun to DECIMATE rights for the LGBT community.Really? Like what? He said he doesn't mind if some weirdo tranny in a dress uses the women's room at Trump Tower. What else do you want?
QuoteHe has pushed for a near theocracy.Bullshit. I'm an atheist so I know this isn't even close to being true. What, because he's saying Merry Christmas? As a conservative atheist I unfortunately have to deal with the bad reputation atheists have because of all the whacko leftists who want to tear down crosses that have been around for a hundred years because they're "offended".
QuoteHe has sold out what protected areas we have left so they can be developed. He is embracing fossil fuels while the rest of the world is moving on to renewables.He's helping make America energy independent and the world leader in energy production. Face it, there are ZERO renewable sources of energy that plentiful enough or efficient enough to get off of fossil fuels. You know it. I know it. Until something new comes along that isn't going to change.
QuoteHis tax plan has a slight silver lining. Maybe his cut on corporate tax will get some industries to move back to the US.That's the plan, along with expansion of those already here. It's about jobs and keeping American wealth here.
QuoteAs for him taking credit for a lot of the prosperity in the US this past year...sure, right. The DOW was on the way up when Obama was still in office and Trump was daydreaming about ramming his daughter. Jobs were slowly making a comeback.So it's just a coincidence that the Dow has risen nearly 7,000 points since Trump was elected? It just suddenly skyrocketed for no reason. Oh, it was Obama. That's right. An anemic GDP around 1.8% all of a sudden jumps to 3.3%. Coincidence? Or another delayed Obama after effect? Unemployment rate? Yeah, that was already low though it's gotten a bit lower since Trump. However, keep in mind that it's not the real number anyway, as Trump often said on the campaign trail but doesn't mention now.
QuoteNot only is he poor at what he does, he surrounds himself by backwards thinking, ignorant people in his administration.Statistics, massive business successes, and the fact he won the presidency against all odds say he's not poor at what he does. As for the rest, what you call backwards thinking and ignorance I'd call common sense. Not everyone thinks simply putting lipstick on a dude in a dress makes him a woman. Not everyone thinks people who come here illegally should be showered in free government benefits and be let out of prison to roam free after repeatedly committing felonies. Not everyone thinks taxes should be raised on workers to fund free healthcare, education, housing, etc for the entire nation. Not everyone thinks like you do.
QuoteAt least W had a decent administration, albeit morally bankrupt, they at least understood diplomacy and how to keep the country running decently.Seriously? I hated W's eight years. Good guy but woefully ill equipped for the job. Better than Gore though. As for diplomacy, kissing ass and giving away the nation's wealth didn't help anything. Iraq was a mistake. NK kept working on nukes. Terrorism spread around the world. Not a great track record and things didn't get better under Obama. Funny how libs hated W until Trump came around.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 07:16 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 07:16 PM
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 12/29/2017, 07:24 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 12/29/2017, 07:24 PM
I'm being sincere when I say your arguments would carry more weight if you could refrain from the childish nonsense. While I disagree with 95% of what you've posted, I could at least respect your positions if they weren't all laced with antagonist horseshit.
It's why I stopped participating in this thread; it's pointless. Internet troll antics won't convince anyone of anything, except that you're an asshole. Unless that's your intent. If so, congrats. Very effective.
It's why I stopped participating in this thread; it's pointless. Internet troll antics won't convince anyone of anything, except that you're an asshole. Unless that's your intent. If so, congrats. Very effective.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 12/29/2017, 07:32 PM
Post by: esteban on 12/29/2017, 07:32 PM
STATUS: RyuHayabusa is watching "Sea of Love" and realizing that we don't have to fight anymore.
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: mitsuman on 12/29/2017, 07:58 PM
Post by: mitsuman on 12/29/2017, 07:58 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 12/29/2017, 07:24 PMIt's why I stopped participating in this thread; it's pointless. Internet troll antics won't convince anyone of anything, except that you're an asshole. Unless that's your intent. If so, congrats. Very effective.Yeah, I'm doing the same thing. I'm bowing out.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 08:16 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 08:16 PM
Quote from: Bornist on 12/29/2017, 07:58 PMHaha. So there's like 90 pages worth of you guys calling Trump supporters morons, losers, Nazis, and I'm the fucking bad guy? Give me a break. And last I checked Nulltard insulted me first. But go ahead, run away. Hide under the bed or that evil ol' Trump is going to get you.Quote from: KingDrool on 12/29/2017, 07:24 PMIts why I stopped participating in this thread; its pointless. Internet troll antics wont convince anyone of anything, except that youre an asshole. Unless thats your intent. If so, congrats. Very effective.Yeah, Im doing the same thing. Im bowing out.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 12/29/2017, 08:53 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 12/29/2017, 08:53 PM
I told you, man, I stopped participating because it was pointless. And yeah, I was guilty of antagonizing behavior, too. The difference here is that I realized it and stopped. I'm not interested in lobbing shit at people online, nor am I interested in lumping people into libtard/conservatard boxes, or whatever. That sort of childish bullshit is what got us into our current situation with the Twitter Troll in Chief.
So no, I'm not hiding. I'm always happy to have a conversation. You have made a couple valid points, despite them being couched in 4chan-level bullshit. And sure, Nulltard insulted you first. Maybe rise above it. I know Trump likes to "hit em back 10 times harder", but it'd be nice if people remembered what dignity was, instead of grade school mentality. Maybe we'd get somewhere.
So no, I'm not hiding. I'm always happy to have a conversation. You have made a couple valid points, despite them being couched in 4chan-level bullshit. And sure, Nulltard insulted you first. Maybe rise above it. I know Trump likes to "hit em back 10 times harder", but it'd be nice if people remembered what dignity was, instead of grade school mentality. Maybe we'd get somewhere.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 09:06 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 09:06 PM
Quote from: KingDrool on 12/29/2017, 08:53 PMI told you, man, I stopped participating because it was pointless. And yeah, I was guilty of antagonizing behavior, too. The difference here is that I realized it and stopped. Im not interested in lobbing shit at people online, nor am I interested in lumping people into libtard/conservatard boxes, or whatever. That sort of childish bullshit is what got us into our current situation with the Twitter Troll in Chief.You talk about 4chan-level bullshit right after calling the president the Twitter Troll in Chief. See, that's what it all boils down to is hypocrisy. You hear all this talk about civility, dignity, and maturity from people who flagrantly insult anyone who disagrees with them by labeling them as racists, sexists, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, Nazis, white supremacists, etc. I initially didn't want to get in an argument here but sometimes when you see something that's flat out bullshit you can't help but say something. Dude posts some bullshit link talking about how much golf Trump plays all the while ignoring how much golf Obama played or the fact over $100 million was spent on Obama's vacations and travels. I guess he probably didn't even know that but then again how would he since 95% of the media is pro-Obama and anti-Trump.
So no, Im not hiding. Im always happy to have a conversation. You have made a couple valid points, despite them being couched in 4chan-level bullshit. And sure, Nulltard insulted you first. Maybe rise above it. I know Trump likes to hit em back 10 times harder, but itd be nice if people remembered what dignity was, instead of grade school mentality. Maybe wed get somewhere.
I'll agree with you, I wish things were more civilized at times but we're a nation now divided more than at any other time probably since the Civil War.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 12/29/2017, 09:19 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 12/29/2017, 09:19 PM
Calling him the Twitter Troll in Chief is too much? Damn, you're sensitive... He's a Twitter Troll, is he not? I mean, shit man, you're not denying that are you? Good grief...
People give him shit about golfing because he famously said if he was president he wouldn't waste time playing golf because he'd be too busy working. Plus there's this (https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2017/3/27/15073086/donald-trump-tweets-barack-obama-golf). Are you so far gone you can't see the hypocrisy? Come on.
I can't go on too much right now because I'm on my phone in the middle of nowhere, but I'll just say that I respect some of your opinions, despite how badly I disagree with them and how I think some of them are just flat out ludicrous. I only just jump in here from time to time to try to get folks to converse instead of insult and troll. I'm not good at it, but I try.
People give him shit about golfing because he famously said if he was president he wouldn't waste time playing golf because he'd be too busy working. Plus there's this (https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2017/3/27/15073086/donald-trump-tweets-barack-obama-golf). Are you so far gone you can't see the hypocrisy? Come on.
I can't go on too much right now because I'm on my phone in the middle of nowhere, but I'll just say that I respect some of your opinions, despite how badly I disagree with them and how I think some of them are just flat out ludicrous. I only just jump in here from time to time to try to get folks to converse instead of insult and troll. I'm not good at it, but I try.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 12/29/2017, 09:26 PM
Post by: esteban on 12/29/2017, 09:26 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 09:06 PMProposal: what video game should you and I play next? It's not a competition, I just want to talk to you about something else.Quote from: KingDrool on 12/29/2017, 08:53 PMI told you, man, I stopped participating because it was pointless. And yeah, I was guilty of antagonizing behavior, too. The difference here is that I realized it and stopped. Im not interested in lobbing shit at people online, nor am I interested in lumping people into libtard/conservatard boxes, or whatever. That sort of childish bullshit is what got us into our current situation with the Twitter Troll in Chief.You talk about 4chan-level bullshit right after calling the president the Twitter Troll in Chief. See, that's what it all boils down to is hypocrisy. You hear all this talk about civility, dignity, and maturity from people who flagrantly insult anyone who disagrees with them by labeling them as racists, sexists, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, Nazis, white supremacists, etc. I initially didn't want to get in an argument here but sometimes when you see something that's flat out bullshit you can't help but say something. Dude posts some bullshit link talking about how much golf Trump plays all the while ignoring how much golf Obama played or the fact over $100 million was spent on Obama's vacations and travels. I guess he probably didn't even know that but then again how would he since 95% of the media is pro-Obama and anti-Trump.
So no, Im not hiding. Im always happy to have a conversation. You have made a couple valid points, despite them being couched in 4chan-level bullshit. And sure, Nulltard insulted you first. Maybe rise above it. I know Trump likes to hit em back 10 times harder, but itd be nice if people remembered what dignity was, instead of grade school mentality. Maybe wed get somewhere.
I'll agree with you, I wish things were more civilized at times but we're a nation now divided more than at any other time probably since the Civil War.
I have a lot of games, but not everything, so pick a genre or game you were interested in.
I am not a big fan of RPGs, though...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/30/2017, 05:24 AM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 12/30/2017, 05:24 AM
Quote from: esteban on 12/29/2017, 09:26 PMI'm getting ready to play Lunar on the PSP. Just finished playing through Castlevania Symphony of the Night on the Saturn. Not the best port due to longer load times, no transparencies, and having to go through the menu to access the map but it's got a few interesting extras not in the PS1 version.Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 09:06 PMProposal: what video game should you and I play next? Its not a competition, I just want to talk to you about something else.Quote from: KingDrool on 12/29/2017, 08:53 PMI told you, man, I stopped participating because it was pointless. And yeah, I was guilty of antagonizing behavior, too. The difference here is that I realized it and stopped. Im not interested in lobbing shit at people online, nor am I interested in lumping people into libtard/conservatard boxes, or whatever. That sort of childish bullshit is what got us into our current situation with the Twitter Troll in Chief.You talk about 4chan-level bullshit right after calling the president the Twitter Troll in Chief. See, that's what it all boils down to is hypocrisy. You hear all this talk about civility, dignity, and maturity from people who flagrantly insult anyone who disagrees with them by labeling them as racists, sexists, bigots, homophobes, xenophobes, Nazis, white supremacists, etc. I initially didn't want to get in an argument here but sometimes when you see something that's flat out bullshit you can't help but say something. Dude posts some bullshit link talking about how much golf Trump plays all the while ignoring how much golf Obama played or the fact over $100 million was spent on Obama's vacations and travels. I guess he probably didn't even know that but then again how would he since 95% of the media is pro-Obama and anti-Trump.
So no, Im not hiding. Im always happy to have a conversation. You have made a couple valid points, despite them being couched in 4chan-level bullshit. And sure, Nulltard insulted you first. Maybe rise above it. I know Trump likes to hit em back 10 times harder, but itd be nice if people remembered what dignity was, instead of grade school mentality. Maybe wed get somewhere.
I'll agree with you, I wish things were more civilized at times but we're a nation now divided more than at any other time probably since the Civil War.
I have a lot of games, but not everything, so pick a genre or game you were interested in.
I am not a big fan of RPGs, though...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 12/30/2017, 05:51 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 12/30/2017, 05:51 AM
This is Fighting Street, after all.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 12/30/2017, 08:00 AM
Post by: NightWolve on 12/30/2017, 08:00 AM
Quote from: esteban on 12/29/2017, 08:28 AMHahaha, I didn't know about that, another episode I missed! Must've been hard for you to include that clip, comrade, but I'm glad that you did! :)Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/28/2017, 08:21 PMComrade, we are diametrically opposed politically.Quote from: seieienbu on 12/28/2017, 07:04 PMA quick google search points to over half the money going to the super rich. I'd much rather the government keep my tax refund if that means that the rich guys paid taxes....
Maybe if...
...
HOWEVER, I offer this because PCE:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?t=4m55s&v=AnJadT9An04
(Jump to 04:55 if the link doesn't work properly!)
Please enjoy this brief moment of common ground I have painstakingly nurtured for the pcefx community.
You are welcome
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Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 12/30/2017, 11:44 AM
Post by: esteban on 12/30/2017, 11:44 AM
Quote from: guest on 12/30/2017, 05:51 AMThis is Fighting Street, after all.SHUT THE FUCK UP.
I actually forgot that this was Fighting Street, asshole.
NOW I LOOK LIKE A SENILE DUMBFUCK.
Thanks!
Quote from: NightWolve on 12/30/2017, 08:00 AMHahaha, I didn't know about that, another episode I missed! Must've been hard for you to include that clip, comrade, but I'm glad that you did! :)I honestly believe it is the only moment in history where PURE LOVE explodes from the COLLISION of the Trump Universe and the TG-16 community...
I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 12/30/2017, 12:02 PM
Post by: esteban on 12/30/2017, 12:02 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/30/2017, 05:24 AMI'm getting ready to play Lunar on the PSP. Just finished playing through Castlevania Symphony of the Night on the Saturn. Not the best port due to longer load times, no transparencies, and having to go through the menu to access the map but it's got a few interesting extras not in the PS1 version.Ahhh, I played Lunar Silver Starman on Sega-CD back in the day... but I never played Saturn Symphony of the Night (I am aware of the differences, but I love comparing games... one day I'll get to it).
OK, I'll have to play a few minutes of Dracula X (PCE) today so that our positive energy (powered by Konami) will CROSS STREAMS :)
I am serious, comrade. I'll be thinking of you every time I encounter an ancient patriarch sucking the blood of the working class.
:)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 12/30/2017, 12:19 PM
Post by: ClodBusted on 12/30/2017, 12:19 PM
Quote from: esteban on 12/30/2017, 11:44 AMThanks!You're welcome.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/01/2018, 11:47 AM
Post by: BigusSchmuck on 01/01/2018, 11:47 AM
Yep saw this coming, cutting entitlement programs to pay for the tax cut for the wealthy and rich. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/18/16741730/gop-agenda-medicare-social-security
Political suicide if they go through with it.
Political suicide if they go through with it.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Medic_wheat on 01/01/2018, 12:02 PM
Post by: Medic_wheat on 01/01/2018, 12:02 PM
We survived 2017 people.
We can al come out of our bunkers now I think.
We can al come out of our bunkers now I think.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Medic_wheat on 01/01/2018, 01:47 PM
Post by: Medic_wheat on 01/01/2018, 01:47 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/01/2018, 12:08 PMI can guarantee it is as great as Trumps Lucius lock of hair and Clinton's use of cigars is considered Cuban approved.Quote from: Medic_wheat on 01/01/2018, 12:02 PMWe survived 2017 people.But Clinton and Obama and Soros and the media are still out there... Can you be sure America is great again yet?
We can al come out of our bunkers now I think.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/02/2018, 10:40 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/02/2018, 10:40 AM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 07:09 PMThat's a pipe dream that won't amount to much. Taxes are nothing compared to labor costs.QuoteHis tax plan has a slight silver lining. Maybe his cut on corporate tax will get some industries to move back to the US.That's the plan, along with expansion of those already here. It's about jobs and keeping American wealth here.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 07:09 PMSo it's just a coincidence that the Dow has risen nearly 7,000 points since Trump was elected? It just suddenly skyrocketed for no reason. Oh, it was Obama. That's right.If you'd bother to look at a normalized chart of the DOW since its lowest point in 2009 up to present, you'd see that it's nicely improved under Trump but hardly skyrocketed. The DOW gains aren't all Obama but neither are they all Trump; if it were another year of Obama's average, it'd be somewhere around 23000.
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 12/29/2017, 09:06 PMI initially didn't want to get in an argument here but sometimes when you see something that's flat out bullshit you can't help but say something. Dude posts some bullshit link talking about how much golf Trump plays all the while ignoring how much golf Obama played or the fact over $100 million was spent on Obama's vacations and travels. I guess he probably didn't even know that but then again how would he since 95% of the media is pro-Obama and anti-Trump.If you weren't such a crybaby bitch, you'd have followed the link and found that they DO talk about Obama's golf too. We all know that Obama (and Bush, Clinton, etc.) golfed and spent lots of money on personal travel, but the fact is that Trump is doing both at a faster clip than any previous president. It's not hypocrisy to mock the dotard after he bitched REPEATEDLY about Obama's golfing and vacationing and promising that he would do neither.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/03/2018, 02:22 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/03/2018, 02:22 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/02/2018, 10:40 AMIf you weren't such a crybaby bitch, you'd have followed the link and found that they DO talk about Obama's golf too. We all know that Obama (and Bush, Clinton, etc.) golfed and spent lots of money on personal travel, but the fact is that Trump is doing both at a faster clip than any previous president. It's not hypocrisy to mock the dotard after he bitched REPEATEDLY about Obama's golfing and vacationing and promising that he would do neither.Given the utter nonsense he's been posting I doubt very highly he more than skims anything that he's actively arguing against. I'd wager the odds of him actually reading an outside source is slim to nil. Why would RyuHayabusa bother actively engaging when he can just cry victim while making personal character attacks?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:01 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:01 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 01/03/2018, 02:22 PMWell that didn't last long. Utter nonsense? I have yet to see you refute anything I've said. You've yet to actually engage what I've said and instead you just whine like a liberal bitch. You and your liberal fuck buddies just keep attacking the strawman image of Trump that the media has created to incite hysteria about him being the a white supremacist, hating the poor, etc etc etc. And for the record I used to be a centrist. I hated George W. Bush because of the war in Iraq and how much religion was being tied to politics since I'm an atheist. However, the left has gone absolutely insane. The entire goal of liberalism today is to tear down every aspect of Western Civilization in the name of diversity and guilt and rebuild it into some communist hellhole.Quote from: guest on 01/02/2018, 10:40 AMIf you weren't such a crybaby bitch, you'd have followed the link and found that they DO talk about Obama's golf too. We all know that Obama (and Bush, Clinton, etc.) golfed and spent lots of money on personal travel, but the fact is that Trump is doing both at a faster clip than any previous president. It's not hypocrisy to mock the dotard after he bitched REPEATEDLY about Obama's golfing and vacationing and promising that he would do neither.Given the utter nonsense he's been posting I doubt very highly he more than skims anything that he's actively arguing against. I'd wager the odds of him actually reading an outside source is slim to nil. Why would RyuHayabusa bother actively engaging when he can just cry victim while making personal character attacks?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/03/2018, 06:31 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/03/2018, 06:31 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:01 PMWell that didn't last long. Utter nonsense? I have yet to see you refute anything I've said. You've yet to actually engage what I've said and instead you just whine like a liberal bitch. You and your liberal fuck buddies just keep attacking the strawman image of Trump that the media has created to incite hysteria about him being the a white supremacist, hating the poor, etc etc etc. And for the record I used to be a centrist. I hated George W. Bush because of the war in Iraq and how much religion was being tied to politics since I'm an atheist. However, the left has gone absolutely insane. The entire goal of liberalism today is to tear down every aspect of Western Civilization in the name of diversity and guilt and rebuild it into some communist hellhole.Thanks for proving our point, dumbass. We directly refuted your claim about bias with the golfing bullshit and the only thing you can come back with is "liberal, racist, communist, duh." :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:32 PM
Post by: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:32 PM
QuoteThat's a pipe dream that won't amount to much. Taxes are nothing compared to labor costs.We'll see.
QuoteIf you'd bother to look at a normalized chart of the DOW since its lowest point in 2009 up to present, you'd see that it's nicely improved under Trump but hardly skyrocketed. The DOW gains aren't all Obama but neither are they all Trump; if it were another year of Obama's average, it'd be somewhere around 23000.Bullshit. The Dow is up nearly 7,000 points since Trump won the election. It jumped 1,500 between the election and the inauguration and will probably cross 25,000 tomorrow. Keep in mind that when Obama took office it was pretty already at the bottom with nowhere to go but up. An injection of a trillion dollars, started by G.W. Bush, is what got the market climbing again. Poo poo it all you want but it's no coincidence that the markets have skyrocketed the way they have since Nov. 9th.
QuoteIf you weren't such a crybaby bitch, you'd have followed the link and found that they DO talk about Obama's golf too. We all know that Obama (and Bush, Clinton, etc.) golfed and spent lots of money on personal travel, but the fact is that Trump is doing both at a faster clip than any previous president. It's not hypocrisy to mock the dotard after he bitched REPEATEDLY about Obama's golfing and vacationing and promising that he would do neither.I did follow the link, dipshit. Couldn't help but notice how they got busted with their bullshit numbers on how much Trump was costing taxpayers and had to admit to it. However, as I mentioned before Trump, unlike Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. actually owns multiple vacation homes with golf courses. He did say he wouldn't play golf or vacation like Obama, which he has done. No denying that bit of hypocrisy. At least he wasn't golfing 15 minutes after announcing to America that one of our people had been beheaded.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/03/2018, 06:35 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/03/2018, 06:35 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:01 PMWell that didn't last long. Utter nonsense? I have yet to see you refute anything I've said. You've yet to actually engage what I've said and instead you just whine like a liberal bitch. You and your liberal fuck buddies just keep attacking the strawman image of Trump that the media has created to incite hysteria about him being the a white supremacist, hating the poor, etc etc etc. And for the record I used to be a centrist. I hated George W. Bush because of the war in Iraq and how much religion was being tied to politics since I'm an atheist. However, the left has gone absolutely insane. The entire goal of liberalism today is to tear down every aspect of Western Civilization in the name of diversity and guilt and rebuild it into some communist hellhole.Thank you for crying victim and making personal character attacks against me after reading my post about how you cry victim and make personal character attacks. There's no possible way that I could have proven my point better than this example.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: turboswimbz on 01/03/2018, 06:40 PM
Post by: turboswimbz on 01/03/2018, 06:40 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:01 PMI find it interesting these two thoughts come together. I've read many things here and here is just some thoughts not just for you but everyone . . . I'm sure there will be disagreements to this and I look forward to considering them. Empathy is a powerful thing.Quote from: seieienbu on 01/03/2018, 02:22 PMabsolutely insane. . .Quote from: guest on 01/02/2018, 10:40 AMIf you weren't such a crybaby bitch, you'd have followed the link and found that they DO talk about Obama's golf too. We all know that Obama (and Bush, Clinton, etc.) golfed and spent lots of money on personal travel, but the fact is that Trump is doing both at a faster clip than any previous president. It's not hypocrisy to mock the dotard after he bitched REPEATEDLY about Obama's golfing and vacationing and promising that he would do neither.Given the utter nonsense he's been posting I doubt very highly he more than skims anything that he's actively arguing against. I'd wager the odds of him actually reading an outside source is slim to nil. Why would RyuHayabusa bother actively engaging when he can just cry victim while making personal character attacks?
The entire goal of liberalism today is to tear down every aspect of Western Civilization in the name of diversity and guilt and rebuild it into some communist hellhole.
I understand what you are saying, but maybe just maybe is it possible the other side feels the same way? that Conservatives only care about keeping things good for themselves and not the greater good? You know where the real hellhole is, it is the thread like this where we fight each other digging in deeper and deeper without looking at the other side. This is my problem with the whole thing right now.
As far as Trump let me say Trump acts (for whatever reason) like a brazen, over the top "good old boy". That doesn't mean he is the devil or sending us down a path that is wrong, it means he acts not as dignified as I think a person in his position should.
I also don't think it's fair to say that only liberals are interested in tearing down society. A lot of the Republicans current actions, all this "action" Trump has taken, (Idk if all the credit should go to him) have been in many cases merely to abolish everything the Democrats put in place over the last 8 years without regards to whether it should be discussed further or not. Neither side is intrested much in building anything up.
I also think much of his policy has been to the benefit of corporations and not to small businesses and people. While this is great for investment economy, it's not also healthy for long-term greater good. Every person should at least have the shot at being treated fairly and not being taken advantage of by people in power, it's never going to happen, but we should strive for it. What's life if you settle for beer and watching fantasy on TV? And saying that people should be treated fair and just does not mean that I am saying you need to have some sort of (white) Guilt, or even that people should get advantages for being downtrodden, it means we should treat the homeless with the same rights and respect as you or a millionaire. And people should be held accountable when they break that responsibility. The bill of rights means nothing if it's not treated with responsibility, discipline, and reverence.
For me personally, I feel like both sides just let me down as do the people on both sides. On one side we want to spend without oversight on programs that people take advantage of, and generally, regulate industries into having to keep prices extremely high, but on the other side I have people who also want to give those companies and people breaks which only increase my taxes over time, or increases the deficits. Meanwhile the infrastructure of our nation is being completely ignored, and the growing debt and inability to compromise means that there is no plan or money to help alleviate these types of problems.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 01/04/2018, 10:20 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 01/04/2018, 10:20 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"I am number one keyboard warrior. Deal with it!"
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"I am number one keyboard warrior. Deal with it!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/04/2018, 11:59 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/04/2018, 11:59 AM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:01 PMThe entire goal of liberalism today is to tear down every aspect of Western Civilization in the name of diversity and guilt and rebuild it into some communist hellhole.I would like you to expand on this, if you would. Especially the bolded part.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: PukeSter on 01/04/2018, 08:36 PM
Post by: PukeSter on 01/04/2018, 08:36 PM
I thought 2017 was exhausting, but 2018 is gonna be a bigly year...
That new book coming out tomorrow made up of 200 interviews, wow! Some really disturbing stuff in there.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/15-behind-scenes-tales-new-book-trump-s-white-house-n834476
Especially since now Breitbart's staff, donors and readers are turning on Bannon...I guess Mr. Trump poisons almost everyone who associates with him.
That new book coming out tomorrow made up of 200 interviews, wow! Some really disturbing stuff in there.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/15-behind-scenes-tales-new-book-trump-s-white-house-n834476
Especially since now Breitbart's staff, donors and readers are turning on Bannon...I guess Mr. Trump poisons almost everyone who associates with him.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 01/04/2018, 10:26 PM
Post by: Gypsy on 01/04/2018, 10:26 PM
Can we replace Trump with my current avatar for president?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/06/2018, 10:27 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/06/2018, 10:27 AM
"My two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart... ...a very stable genius."
That'll be carved into a monument someday.
That'll be carved into a monument someday.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/06/2018, 02:08 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/06/2018, 02:08 PM
I'd argue his greatest assets were his Daddy's money and luck. The way he flies off the handle and is an incoherent lunatic certainly suggests neither of the two things listed are true. Given this, I wonder if he honestly believes that...?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 01/07/2018, 10:05 PM
Post by: OldRover on 01/07/2018, 10:05 PM
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on 01/03/2018, 06:01 PMThe entire goal of liberalism today is to tear down every aspect of Western Civilization in the name of diversity and guilt and rebuild it into some communist hellhole.Actually... no. This is the goal of the authoritarian left and its gaggle of shrieking harpies who think that anyone white, male, and/or straight is somehow inherently evil. These people are not liberal and do not represent liberalism in any way, shape, or form. They are what we refer to as "the regressive left".
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/09/2018, 12:29 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/09/2018, 12:29 PM
There's nothing liberal about censorship and that's what they seem to be all about. That crowd represents neither me, my interests, nor what I want from America. I honestly give partial blame the current shitty situation with our "very stable genius" as president on these types of people. If you're calling someone a racist simply for being white that's certain to alienate more moderate voters than bring them into the echo chamber and certainly helped the right get elected two years ago.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/09/2018, 01:29 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/09/2018, 01:29 PM
I agree with these sentiments. Calling them "all liberals" and painting them with the same brush as mainstream liberalism is akin to calling those torch-wielding jerkoffs in Charlottesville "all conservatives", and it's the problem with trying to have any sort of rational discourse these days. Everyone wants to box everyone else into a black and white label. They're so hopped up on the frothing hysteria put out by their "news" sources that they can't think straight and can't remember that we're all just people who want to live our damn lives.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NightWolve on 01/14/2018, 03:08 PM
Post by: NightWolve on 01/14/2018, 03:08 PM
Update: The "Shithole" Report
A compiled "shithole" montage below of our Trump deranged news press hacks acting like kids that just learned a swear word for the first time, heh heh! Glorious feigned outrage and self righteousness all around!
Money quote: "I'm a shithole-er!!!!!"
Runner up: "Donald Trump has turned the oval office into a shithole!" http://youtu.be/fW7k6A8G7UE More shithole montage fun by the Gregster: http://youtu.be/Z6RFXHbaY8g
A compiled "shithole" montage below of our Trump deranged news press hacks acting like kids that just learned a swear word for the first time, heh heh! Glorious feigned outrage and self righteousness all around!
Money quote: "I'm a shithole-er!!!!!"
Runner up: "Donald Trump has turned the oval office into a shithole!" http://youtu.be/fW7k6A8G7UE More shithole montage fun by the Gregster: http://youtu.be/Z6RFXHbaY8g
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/14/2018, 04:52 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 01/14/2018, 04:52 PM
http://youtu.be/LJdumFFPLqA
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/14/2018, 06:55 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/14/2018, 06:55 PM
Everyone's missing the point of why that comment was fucked up.
"Why do we want all these PEOPLE from shithole countries coming here?" The keyword is not "shithole". It's "people".
Especially when you take his follow up remark: "Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out."
That's real classy for a president to say.
But okay, let's say for argument's sake the countries are shitholes. Have some fucking dignity; some respect. But the White House was right: his base ate this right up. They loved it. That's all that matters; not class, dignity, respect, or the integrity of the office. Just appealing to the rubes.
"Why do we want all these PEOPLE from shithole countries coming here?" The keyword is not "shithole". It's "people".
Especially when you take his follow up remark: "Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out."
That's real classy for a president to say.
But okay, let's say for argument's sake the countries are shitholes. Have some fucking dignity; some respect. But the White House was right: his base ate this right up. They loved it. That's all that matters; not class, dignity, respect, or the integrity of the office. Just appealing to the rubes.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/14/2018, 07:18 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/14/2018, 07:18 PM
Seriously though, it was really surreal listening to NPR on my way home from work and repeatedly hearing the word "shithole" said live on the air multiple times this past week.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/14/2018, 08:20 PM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/14/2018, 08:20 PM
Yep, raising the level of discourse one tweet/comment at a time.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/15/2018, 09:50 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/15/2018, 09:50 AM
Like Drool said, it's not simply that he labeled countries as shitholes (they kinda are) but that he questioned why we're letting such people in at all and demanding that Haitians be removed from protected status. I guess the dotard doesn't understand "... your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
In any case, such vulgarity has no place in the oval office. Even worse is him later denying saying "shithole" or anything even remotely derogatory at all. It takes a special kind of asshole to dismiss it all say it's just locker room talk and/or fake news.
In any case, such vulgarity has no place in the oval office. Even worse is him later denying saying "shithole" or anything even remotely derogatory at all. It takes a special kind of asshole to dismiss it all say it's just locker room talk and/or fake news.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: esteban on 01/15/2018, 10:39 AM
Post by: esteban on 01/15/2018, 10:39 AM
This was the shit icing on the shit cake that is the current administration.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/15/2018, 06:04 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/15/2018, 06:04 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/15/2018, 09:50 AMIn any case, such vulgarity has no place in the oval office. Even worse is him later denying saying "shithole" or anything even remotely derogatory at all. It takes a special kind of asshole to dismiss it all say it's just locker room talk and/or fake news.I swear, you literally can't trust most things the guy says ever. He flip flops all the time; sometimes he does so even in the same sentence. I'm tired of this stupid pattern of him running his mouth then "I didn't say that" or just pretending that whatever he said had never been uttered.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jperryss on 01/19/2018, 09:13 AM
Post by: jperryss on 01/19/2018, 09:13 AM
imgur .com/7fClqRv.jpg
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2018, 09:41 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 01/19/2018, 09:41 AM
That's a goody. :lol:
I like how the doctors fudged his height and weight just enough to keep his BMI at overweight instead of obese. It's obvious to anyone with eyes that he's a fat fuck, but the dotard's ego had to be stroked.
I like how the doctors fudged his height and weight just enough to keep his BMI at overweight instead of obese. It's obvious to anyone with eyes that he's a fat fuck, but the dotard's ego had to be stroked.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2018, 11:02 AM
Post by: jlued686 on 01/19/2018, 11:02 AM
Holy Christ...(pun intended), that one got a snort laugh out of me.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 01/19/2018, 07:06 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 01/19/2018, 07:06 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/19/2018, 09:41 AMThat's a goody. :lol:What's the point of making it public if it isn't going to be factual? At the point where you lie about him being obese I feel like we're a few steps short of the weird North Korean news updates that inform people how the Kim family will do things like play a golf game for the first time ever and only get holes in 1 or pick up a rifle for the first time and shoot only the bullseye.
I like how the doctors fudged his height and weight just enough to keep his BMI at overweight instead of obese. It's obvious to anyone with eyes that he's a fat fuck, but the dotard's ego had to be stroked.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gredler on 01/24/2018, 07:17 PM
Post by: Gredler on 01/24/2018, 07:17 PM
New Thug Life Trump Moments! ORIGINAL VIDEO
wayback.youtu.be/N4oHnN10m2I (https://web.archive.org/web/20171123072043if_/https://youtu.be/N4oHnN10m2I)
This made me lol
wayback.youtu.be/N4oHnN10m2I (https://web.archive.org/web/20171123072043if_/https://youtu.be/N4oHnN10m2I)
This made me lol
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 02/13/2018, 03:38 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 02/13/2018, 03:38 AM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Don't let feka news mislead you. The Turbo Duo is the first CD game system on the market!"
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Don't let feka news mislead you. The Turbo Duo is the first CD game system on the market!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/14/2018, 04:07 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/14/2018, 04:07 PM
Funny. That seems a bit too honest for the guy.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 02/15/2018, 01:41 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 02/15/2018, 01:41 AM
Don't worry, he'll soon deny it as locker room talk and praise the Jaguar CD instead.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/15/2018, 03:48 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/15/2018, 03:48 PM
When foreign nations are sending us their CD based game consoles, they aren't sending their best and brightest. They're sending their Fekas, their NECs. Some, I assume, are good consoles.
The trans pacific partnership is another disaster. Pushed by special interests to rape our country. This is done by wealthy console manufacturers that want to take advantage of us.
Our great presidents from Washington to Jefferson to Jackson to Lincoln understood that a great nation must protect it's manufacturing of CD Game Consoles like the Atari Jaguar from the outside.
The trans pacific partnership is another disaster. Pushed by special interests to rape our country. This is done by wealthy console manufacturers that want to take advantage of us.
Our great presidents from Washington to Jefferson to Jackson to Lincoln understood that a great nation must protect it's manufacturing of CD Game Consoles like the Atari Jaguar from the outside.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Psycho Punch on 02/16/2018, 09:47 AM
Post by: Psycho Punch on 02/16/2018, 09:47 AM
Quote from: guest on 02/15/2018, 01:41 AMDon't worry, he'll soon deny it as locker room talk and praise the Jaguar CD instead.Grab them by the readable surface?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Galad on 02/18/2018, 12:38 PM
Post by: Galad on 02/18/2018, 12:38 PM
lol,nice
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 02/20/2018, 03:38 PM
Post by: ClodBusted on 02/20/2018, 03:38 PM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Take what you want, but leave gun owners alone!"
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"Take what you want, but leave gun owners alone!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/21/2018, 03:04 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/21/2018, 03:04 PM
Not exactly Trump related, but does anyone else see the irony in NRA funded GOP reps claiming that, after being shot at, the school kids who are protesting for stricter gun control are merely pawns pushing the agenda of the Dems?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/21/2018, 03:11 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/21/2018, 03:11 PM
They're just school kids. They're not old enough to have opinions yet. :roll:
Even better is the conspiracy nuts again claiming it's all a hoax by the goverrats to take away our guns. Reynolds's revenue has gotta be through the roof! :lol:
Even better is the conspiracy nuts again claiming it's all a hoax by the goverrats to take away our guns. Reynolds's revenue has gotta be through the roof! :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/21/2018, 03:25 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/21/2018, 03:25 PM
Donald Trump Jr. has been liking tin-foil-hat theories involving "Crisis Actors" and other goverrat bullshit. That sack of shit is a really disgusting chip off the old block.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Galad on 02/22/2018, 11:07 AM
Post by: Galad on 02/22/2018, 11:07 AM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 02/21/2018, 03:11 PMThey're just school kids. They're not old enough to have opinions yet. :roll:Yeah most of these conspiracy people believe in way out of the box theories without any evidence whatsoever.Have you seen the people claiming planetx,"nibiru" is beside our sun?they believe pictures of sun dogs and lens reflections is a real planet beside the sun coming to cause extinction,some of there best evidence is a scooby doo cartoon about nibiru,they claim the goverment added it into the cartoon only for the awake ones to see it.< - No I'm not kidding.
Even better is the conspiracy nuts again claiming it's all a hoax by the goverrats to take away our guns.
http://youtu.be/Ngs0Mc0E7G0
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: PukeSter on 02/22/2018, 02:36 PM
Post by: PukeSter on 02/22/2018, 02:36 PM
What the fuck is this? I didn't know you needed a cheat sheet on how to show empathy for victims of a mass murder.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/trump-parkland-notecard/index.html
(https://e3.365dm.com/18/02/1096x616/skynews-trump-note_4237375.jpg?20180222033746)
I don't think arming teachers is all that great either. Isn't that what security guards and cops are for?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/trump-parkland-notecard/index.html
(https://e3.365dm.com/18/02/1096x616/skynews-trump-note_4237375.jpg?20180222033746)
I don't think arming teachers is all that great either. Isn't that what security guards and cops are for?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Medic_wheat on 02/22/2018, 03:39 PM
Post by: Medic_wheat on 02/22/2018, 03:39 PM
Quote from: guest on 02/22/2018, 02:36 PMWhat the fuck is this? I didn't know you needed a cheat sheet on how to show empathy for victims of a mass murder.That is a very common tactic leaders do to facilitate and direct/redirect a meeting.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/trump-parkland-notecard/index.html
(https://e3.365dm.com/18/02/1096x616/skynews-trump-note_4237375.jpg?20180222033746)
I don't think arming teachers is all that great either. Isn't that what security guards and cops are for?
As a counselor I even do that to help a season's flow and to verify I hit all talking points intended.
Granted dowdneifng what/who is in the room with me the natural flow of a season may never stay on tract.
With that said, it is critical that your audience is not aware you have such a narritve device on hand that you are referring to.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/22/2018, 03:43 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/22/2018, 03:43 PM
There's nothing wrong with a cue card to make sure you cover everything (though a "genius" should be able to remember a mere five points), but it's not normal to have to be reminded to act like a normal human being. Empathy isn't a talking point.
I had a good chuckle at the liar in chief saying he never said to "give teachers guns" and that he said he'd only arm trained teachers. "Give teachers guns" is not equivalent to "give EVERY teacher a gun"; learn English, you embarrassing piece of shit.
I had a good chuckle at the liar in chief saying he never said to "give teachers guns" and that he said he'd only arm trained teachers. "Give teachers guns" is not equivalent to "give EVERY teacher a gun"; learn English, you embarrassing piece of shit.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/23/2018, 12:19 AM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/23/2018, 12:19 AM
I wonder if the gun toting teachers will get paid more or if they'll still just make $40k but have extra responsibilities vis a vis potential shootings.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/23/2018, 03:21 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/23/2018, 03:21 PM
Doubleposting WOO!
And Trump decided to save the gun industry by throwing videogames under the bus. It feels like it's 25 years ago and MK and Night Trap are big news again.
And Trump decided to save the gun industry by throwing videogames under the bus. It feels like it's 25 years ago and MK and Night Trap are big news again.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/23/2018, 04:39 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/23/2018, 04:39 PM
"Almost all of these shooter assholes watch violent movies/tv and play violent games!"
Yeah, so does almost every other kid at that school. There's no causal link, dotard.
Yeah, so does almost every other kid at that school. There's no causal link, dotard.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 02/24/2018, 05:35 PM
Post by: OldRover on 02/24/2018, 05:35 PM
Where's our old boy Jack Thompson when you need him?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 02/25/2018, 02:58 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 02/25/2018, 02:58 PM
We were promised the end of days and I'm sadly still waiting. =*/
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/25/2018, 03:14 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/25/2018, 03:14 PM
It's less the end of days and more the overall slightly shittier life for everyone without at least $100 million.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 02/25/2018, 03:55 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 02/25/2018, 03:55 PM
Really? An overall slightly shittier life for "everyone" without at least $100 million?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 02/25/2018, 04:09 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 02/25/2018, 04:09 PM
Perhaps hyperbole but Trump takes care of his own at the expense of the common man. But don't worry, we'll get that $700 tax rebate so we can finally start saving for retirement at the expense of our air quality, our health insurance, our international standing, and a bunch of liberties that aren't considered good christian values.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NE146 on 02/25/2018, 11:56 PM
Post by: NE146 on 02/25/2018, 11:56 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 02/25/2018, 04:09 PMPerhaps hyperbole but Trump takes care of his own at the expense of the common man. But don't worry, we'll get that $700 tax rebateI don't know what rebate you're talking about but for this common man, the feds are taking less tax out of my paycheck now that's for sure, :) And it's not an insignificant amount totaling several thousand in a year. As a brown minority who's never voted in his life (I never really cared tbh).. I'm considering registering finally and rocking the GOP vote this year. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/26/2018, 10:53 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/26/2018, 10:53 AM
The tax drop is nice but you do understand that he's piling on a bunch of debt to pay for it, right? Currently it'll add trillions to the debt before the tax cuts for us little guys expire (don't worry, the big corporations keep their tax cuts indefinitely), but there's talks of severely cutting medicare and social security to help pay for it. I'm not old, though, so I guess fuck 'em and I got mine, eh?
Make sure you keep those extra tax dollars ready to pay for big increases in health insurance costs, a 25 cent (more than double) increase in fuel taxes, and increased state and local taxes to make up for planned cuts to education, disaster recovery, development grants, job training, etc.
Make sure you keep those extra tax dollars ready to pay for big increases in health insurance costs, a 25 cent (more than double) increase in fuel taxes, and increased state and local taxes to make up for planned cuts to education, disaster recovery, development grants, job training, etc.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NE146 on 02/26/2018, 11:49 AM
Post by: NE146 on 02/26/2018, 11:49 AM
lol @ health insurance costs.. I had an awesome PPO plan at my work for over a decade that covered stuff like our kid being in the Nic-U (which cost thousands of dollars) with zero hassle and a small copay. However as most know, today the PPO plans are almost extinct and most workplaces have elected to go with high-deductible health plans (HDHP) being the de-facto standard. Whether this was due to the passive aggressive regulations from the ACA is debatable, but that's not the point. The point is you still pay the same annual premiums.. actually higher, but you have to pay all your healthcare costs Out of Pocket for most families up to around 6-9 grand, after which you're covered 80% until year end. i.e. you're covered for catastrophe, but that's about it. So in other words if you just have a standard year and go to the doc now and then it's like having no insurance at all, while still paying the same premiums. Great!
So yeah.. warning about "big increases in health insurance costs" its not like we haven't already gotten much higher healthcare costs during the previous administration. It's happened already man and we've been dealing with it for some time. :)
So yeah.. warning about "big increases in health insurance costs" its not like we haven't already gotten much higher healthcare costs during the previous administration. It's happened already man and we've been dealing with it for some time. :)
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/26/2018, 12:34 PM
Post by: NecroPhile on 02/26/2018, 12:34 PM
It's a given that costs go up every year. The point is that the increases are expected to be steeper with the changes Trump's made and the uncertainty he's thrown into the system. With elimination of the mandate, it's projected that many relatively healthy people will drop insurance coverage; the same number of claims spread over fewer participants means the costs per person go up more sharply.
I don't know the exact numbers off hand, but I'd rather keep paying 10% annual increases than 20% every year.
And if you get a subsidy, that's getting cut too.
I don't know the exact numbers off hand, but I'd rather keep paying 10% annual increases than 20% every year.
And if you get a subsidy, that's getting cut too.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: xcrement5x on 02/26/2018, 09:28 PM
Post by: xcrement5x on 02/26/2018, 09:28 PM
Yeah, I just started a new job and they were pushing the HDHP suuuuper hard to me since they're self insured (it's a non-profit) but thankfully they still offered a PPO as well. They made me feel kind of bad going the PPO route, but I was like I have 2 young kids and going the HDHP plan would have been a bloodbath for me.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 02/26/2018, 10:07 PM
Post by: Gypsy on 02/26/2018, 10:07 PM
High impact sexual violence.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: MotherGunner on 02/26/2018, 11:48 PM
Post by: MotherGunner on 02/26/2018, 11:48 PM
I think I triggered Null.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on 03/02/2018, 09:28 AM
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on 03/02/2018, 09:28 AM
Quote from: guest on 02/26/2018, 12:34 PMIt's a given that costs go up every year. The point is that the increases are expected to be steeper with the changes Trump's made and the uncertainty he's thrown into the system. With elimination of the mandate, it's projected that many relatively healthy people will drop insurance coverage; the same number of claims spread over fewer participants means the costs per person go up more sharply.Really? You're attributing the skyrocketing increases caused by the ACA to costs going up every year? Our insurance has never been as bad as when the ACA went through. Our deductible literally doubled in one year. When everyone at my company complained, we were told it was because of the ACA. It's exactly as NE146 said: we're covered in case of a catastrophe, but we pay through the nose for standard medical procedures.
I don't know the exact numbers off hand, but I'd rather keep paying 10% annual increases than 20% every year.
And if you get a subsidy, that's getting cut too.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/02/2018, 10:26 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/02/2018, 10:26 AM
Don't be stupid or try to deflect. I'm obviously saying that percentage rate increases for this year (and coming years) are projected to be higher relative to those in recent years. It's all under ACA, but Trump is making it even worse by pushing healthy (low cost) people out of the pool, cutting subsidies for low-income peoples, cutting the enrollment period, and generally destabilizing the whole shebang.
Remember when the dotard promised to repeal and replace ACA with something better, cheaper, and cover more people? We're more than a year past "day one" and the jackass still has NOTHING.
Remember when the dotard promised to repeal and replace ACA with something better, cheaper, and cover more people? We're more than a year past "day one" and the jackass still has NOTHING.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/02/2018, 07:54 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/02/2018, 07:54 PM
I think his current goal is to make "Obamacare" bad enough to where it collapses, blame the mess on Obama, and come through and be the hero that saved America after Obama tried (but failed because of people like Trump) to destroy this great nation of ours.
Nothing else makes sense.
Nothing else makes sense.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: xcrement5x on 03/03/2018, 12:11 AM
Post by: xcrement5x on 03/03/2018, 12:11 AM
Quote from: seieienbu on 03/02/2018, 07:54 PMI think his current goal is to make "Obamacare" bad enough to where it collapses, blame the mess on Obama, and come through and be the hero that saved America after Obama tried (but failed because of people like Trump) to destroy this great nation of ours.Trump has two goals I believe:
Nothing else makes sense.
1) Destroy as much of Obama's legacy as he can.
2) Enrich himself and his friends/family as much as he can.
I have yet to see anything contrary to this, and anything he has done for the "little guy" has helped the big guy just as much if not more.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/03/2018, 12:46 AM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/03/2018, 12:46 AM
Oh, I clearly forgot about the second point. Yeah, that's absolutely apparent.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: bob on 03/04/2018, 04:06 PM
Post by: bob on 03/04/2018, 04:06 PM
Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/02/2018, 09:28 AMyou'd be thankful if there was a catastropheQuote from: guest on 02/26/2018, 12:34 PMIt's a given that costs go up every year. The point is that the increases are expected to be steeper with the changes Trump's made and the uncertainty he's thrown into the system. With elimination of the mandate, it's projected that many relatively healthy people will drop insurance coverage; the same number of claims spread over fewer participants means the costs per person go up more sharply.Really? You're attributing the skyrocketing increases caused by the ACA to costs going up every year? Our insurance has never been as bad as when the ACA went through. Our deductible literally doubled in one year. When everyone at my company complained, we were told it was because of the ACA. It's exactly as NE146 said: we're covered in case of a catastrophe, but we pay through the nose for standard medical procedures.
I don't know the exact numbers off hand, but I'd rather keep paying 10% annual increases than 20% every year.
And if you get a subsidy, that's getting cut too.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NE146 on 03/05/2018, 01:50 PM
Post by: NE146 on 03/05/2018, 01:50 PM
Quote from: seieienbu on 03/02/2018, 07:54 PMI think his current goal is to make "Obamacare" bad enough to where it collapses, blame the mess on Obama, and come through and be the hero that saved America after Obama tried (but failed because of people like Trump) to destroy this great nation of ours.Lol that's like 100% opposite of the story during the initial implementation.. i.e. that the long term strategy was the ACA was specifically designed by the Democrats (who were of course, solely responsible for it) to fail over time so that they could then eventually come through to save the day by saying that the only answer was Single Payer.
Nothing else makes sense.
e.g. http://www.weeklystandard.com/harry-reid-and-tom-coburn-agree-obamacare-was-designed-to-fail-pave-way-for-single-payer/article/745908
'Course this was all way before Trump came onto the scene. I'm not saying it's true or not (who the heck knows) but if it is, then his election and the Dems falling out of power would be a complete disruption of it. :lol:
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on 03/05/2018, 03:42 PM
Post by: Pfloydguy2 on 03/05/2018, 03:42 PM
Quote from: bob on 03/04/2018, 04:06 PMSure, just like I would have on my old plan, except this way I'll be thankful with less money.Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/02/2018, 09:28 AMyou'd be thankful if there was a catastropheQuote from: guest on 02/26/2018, 12:34 PMIt's a given that costs go up every year. The point is that the increases are expected to be steeper with the changes Trump's made and the uncertainty he's thrown into the system. With elimination of the mandate, it's projected that many relatively healthy people will drop insurance coverage; the same number of claims spread over fewer participants means the costs per person go up more sharply.Really? You're attributing the skyrocketing increases caused by the ACA to costs going up every year? Our insurance has never been as bad as when the ACA went through. Our deductible literally doubled in one year. When everyone at my company complained, we were told it was because of the ACA. It's exactly as NE146 said: we're covered in case of a catastrophe, but we pay through the nose for standard medical procedures.
I don't know the exact numbers off hand, but I'd rather keep paying 10% annual increases than 20% every year.
And if you get a subsidy, that's getting cut too.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: OldRover on 03/07/2018, 03:34 PM
Post by: OldRover on 03/07/2018, 03:34 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/02/2018, 10:26 AMRemember when the dotard promised to repeal and replace ACA with something better, cheaper, and cover more people? We're more than a year past "day one" and the jackass still has NOTHING.Well yeah, because "who knew health care could be so complicated"... oh wait, we all did, you fucking toolbag... everyone but you, apparently...
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 03/08/2018, 07:26 PM
Post by: Gypsy on 03/08/2018, 07:26 PM
https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/8/17098364/trump-video-games-guns-summit
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/09/2018, 09:26 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 03/09/2018, 09:26 AM
It was stupid when they blamed Doom for Columbine and it's doubly stupid now, though I'm not surprised that Trump is embracing such ignorant, illogical theories that've been repeatedly dismissed by academics. It's what he does.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: Gypsy on 03/09/2018, 09:57 AM
Post by: Gypsy on 03/09/2018, 09:57 AM
Best to deflect than face the real issues right?
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/09/2018, 02:24 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/09/2018, 02:24 PM
When the real issues lobbyist are paying you tens of millions you can consider your votes bought and paid for I guess. I love how the only amendment that the republicans care about is the 2nd.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 03/12/2018, 01:24 PM
Post by: ClodBusted on 03/12/2018, 01:24 PM
Trump twitters today:
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"That Kim is actually not such a bad guy. Found out we have a lot in common. #Friendship is magic"
(https://abload.de/img/maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg) (http://abload.de/image.php?img=maxresdefault8ajjy.jpg)
"That Kim is actually not such a bad guy. Found out we have a lot in common. #Friendship is magic"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: seieienbu on 03/12/2018, 01:47 PM
Post by: seieienbu on 03/12/2018, 01:47 PM
A friend of mine works for Zenimax. He said the CEO went to Trump's summit on video games and he got an email summation of it. Long story short, an old man doesn't get video games and at one point was informed that the ESRB exists and these same games (and also movies) are sold worldwide yet no other country has the same sort of shootings happen. Apparently there wasn't really a response to this, unsurprisingly.
Just like last time in the early oughts, and before then in the late 90s, and before then in the mid 90s, I think nothing will come from this new round of "Videogame Violence is Bad!" It still annoys me though.
Just like last time in the early oughts, and before then in the late 90s, and before then in the mid 90s, I think nothing will come from this new round of "Videogame Violence is Bad!" It still annoys me though.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/12/2018, 04:09 PM
Post by: ToyMachine78 on 03/12/2018, 04:09 PM
Where's Tipper Gore when you need her.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 03/15/2018, 05:14 PM
Post by: ClodBusted on 03/15/2018, 05:14 PM
Trump twitters today:
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"They say I had an affair with that famous porn star.
Not true! She isn't famous!"
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"They say I had an affair with that famous porn star.
Not true! She isn't famous!"
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/03/2018, 10:00 AM
Post by: NecroPhile on 04/03/2018, 10:00 AM
Quote from: dotardI want to thank the White House Historical Association and all of the people that work so hard with Melania, with everybody, to keep this incredible house or building, or whatever you want to call it — because there really is no name for it; it is special — and we keep it in tip-top shape. We call it sometimes tippy-top shape. And it's a great, great place.When he said he's a stable genius, he must've meant he's smarter than all the horses, goats, and cows in the barn.
I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: geise on 04/03/2018, 01:41 PM
Post by: geise on 04/03/2018, 01:41 PM
LOL. Keep em' coming Clod!
Title: Re: Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days
Post by: ClodBusted on 04/30/2018, 05:22 AM
Post by: ClodBusted on 04/30/2018, 05:22 AM
Just saw this on TV:
http://youtu.be/RMBQSJN60yM
Make sure to turn on captions and translation to English.
http://youtu.be/RMBQSJN60yM
Make sure to turn on captions and translation to English.