Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!

[OldRover]

Correct, and it's probably pushing it too. It will take awhile to get the new images converted and programmed into the game, at least two weeks. But once that's done, we go to RC1, as Beta 3 has run its course. That was the final beta, and cutscenes do not really require beta testing.

[peperocket]

No PM reply and wrong email adress.

Someone from Frozen Utopia could give me the good way for my preorder's refund ?

Thanks

[ParanoiaDragon]

MP reply? 

As for an email address, I don't know personally, that'd be Nod that has the email address.

[peperocket]

Sorry, I want to say Private Message.

Email attached on this board seems to be wrong, return an error message.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Oh, PM.  I'm not sure about the email address, but I will say that it sounds like Nod is getting settled in his new residence, so things are moving along again.  I'm guessing he'll soon be around on the forums more often again.

[Emerald Rocker]

It sounds to me like Rover took the money and ran.

[Arkhan Asylum]

It sounds to me like Rover took the money and ran.

yeah man, a respected community member who is currently going through a rough patch just took everyones money and bailed.  You caught him! 

The pre order money is totally worth screwing friends over.  I mean its such a large sum of money.  Enough to live like a king.

[Emerald Rocker]

"The pre order money is totally worth screwing friends over"

I'm pretty sure that if Rover and peperocket were friends, they would know each other's email addresses and we wouldn't be discussing this.  Besides, it's not so much about Rover intending to screw people over, as much as being irresponsible and pre-emptively spending money that shouldn't be spent (because the game will never be finished).

And for the record, I don't respect Rover.  But I do know that he'll refund peperocket's money as soon as he sees this, just to prove me wrong, and that's all that matters =D

[Arkhan Asylum]

I'm pretty sure that if Rover and peperocket were friends, they would know each other's email addresses and we wouldn't be discussing this.  Besides, it's not so much about Rover intending to screw people over, as much as being irresponsible and pre-emptively spending money that shouldn't be spent (because the game will never be finished).

By friends, I also mean the other people involved with the project.  Bailing would mean they are up shit creek as well.

also, are we 100% sure this money was pre-emotively spent?   There is an apparent communication mishap, but I am sure refunds will be given where requested.  peperocket doesn't seem too up in arms about it.

and as for the game not being finished, I think you are wrong and not very understanding.  Why don't you put your money where you mouth is?

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=7520.0

You have a game to get crackin on.

And for the record, I don't respect Rover.

oh.  Is that why you constantly make petty little jabs about Mysterious Song whenever you get the chance?

Seriously, if you have some problem, thats cool.  We get it.  Give it a rest.  Go piss in some other homebrew scenes cheerios for awhile.   Inflammatory nonsense like this is what discourages more homebrew to take place.

[Emerald Rocker]

I'm not pissing in the homebrew scene's cheerios.  I think you're overly identifying with Rover's ineptitude, and you shouldn't --- after all, you actually finished your game on schedule.  Even if it had been delayed, I doubt you would have openly blamed other team members.  You're not that kind of person, and I respect that.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Well did you start your Octology, or was that just another little joke?  You got some people excited about it in your thread you made!  It would be inept not to deliver, right?

how about guessing "mysterious song" and "jungle bros" for pce screenshot quizzes?

Whats with all the BS little comments?  Sounds like pissing-in-cheerios to me.

I wouldn't call anything Rover has done inept.  That's very uncool.   yes Insanity was out on time, but I also was lucky enough that real life didn't get in the way of a hobby project.  It is also way less of a project as far as graphics and content are concerned.   

[Emerald Rocker]

Well did you start your Octology, or was that just another little joke?  You got some people excited about it in your thread you made!  It would be inept not to deliver, right?

I'll answer this question after a bunch of people spend umpteen man-hours providing me with content, and after a bunch of other people pay me money.  It would be silly to call myself inept before reaping the benefits!

Whats with all the BS little comments?  Sounds like pissing-in-cheerios to me.

I never denied pissing in Rover's cheerios.  I denied pissing in the homebrew scene's cheerios.  Two very different things.

[lord_cack]

Emerald, take it somewhere else man. Everyone gets it, you don't like Rover. Whatever. But, I don't see anyone in this thread asking you to come be the great defender of all things pre-ordered. You have been in this thread several times just poking. For no real reason. I saw no posts of anyone crying out for answers, other than yours. No steady series of posts complaining about the time frame for which this game will be released, other than you. See the direction this is moving in.

Do you think some people are cynical enough to think that Rover may have walked off with there money? I would bet there is, but no one who is cynical enough to post it, other than you.

I'm sure if you would take a brief look through most of the threads in these forums you'll see for the most part, we're a pretty tight nit tribe. It seems like people are fairly understanding of the way life works and that things don't always workout as planned. Life hasn't been as gracious to some as it has to others this year. Thats the way things are.

I don't know what happened to the money. Is it sitting in a secure location (bank, under a matress, in a coffee can in someones backyard) I don't know. Is it in some landlords hand because someone had to decide to pay the rent in order to survive? I don't know that either. Yet, something tells me I don't care because one way or another Im sure it will make its way BACK into the hands of the person it belongs too.

When we want your opinion on the subject, well ask and if by some strange series of circumstances there is an outcry for answers that has made its way to you, and no one else, then by all means you will need to  become "The Emerald Defender" protecting the pre-orders of gamers everywhere....

[nectarsis]

Do you think some people are cynical enough to think that Rover may have walked off with there money? I would bet there is, but no one who is cynical enough to post it, other than you.

When we want your opinion on the subject, well ask and if by some strange series of circumstances there is an outcry for answers that has made its way to you, and no one else, then by all means you will need to  become "The Emerald Defender" protecting the pre-orders of gamers everywhere....

Funny that those 2 statements contradict each other.  Maybe no one else has posted because they weren't asked   Trust me I have heard the same sentiment as Emerald's from more than a few people, many either don't care to "stir up the pot", or get jumped on by various members.

[Emerald Rocker]

You have been in this thread several times just poking. For no real reason. I saw no posts of anyone crying out for answers, other than yours

One time I poked because I strongly suspected the game had been delayed, but there had been no announcement here on PCEFX.  Meanwhile, preorders were still open so money could be coming in.  Potential customers needed to know if there had been a delay.  Rover confirmed this and provided a new date.

After quite a bit of time had passed and the new date appeared unattainable, I said nothing.  For a while.  But then I saw Rover in shoutbox blaming the delay on someone else, while simultaneously revealing that person's private life info.  Of course, that person was not present.  That pissed me off -- whether or not the person being blamed would have been pissed -- so that's when I poked again.  Rover confirmed the delay and provided a new date.  His post on here was worded politely and properly, so I dropped it.

Now, someone has tried unsuccessfully to get a response about their money.  In past threads about other people, there would have been an outcry if the seller were unreachable.  Has anyone from FrozenUtopia told this guy what Rover's correct email address is?  Does anyone from FrozenUtopia even know?  Is this guy going to get his money back, or is he going to be fed a story that makes him feel guilty for even asking for his money back?

It's easy to prove me wrong about the money already being spent.  He can just send this guy a refund.  I'd be fine with being wrong.

Rover indicates that this game is close to completion (just waiting on a key piece), but I'm skeptical.  Once the key pieces are together, there's still work to be done, which could be small or large.  What's clear here is that the major components are not finished.  There's only one reason to open pre-orders before all the major components are finished -- THEY NEED MONEY (presumably to fund final stages of development).  Once someone starts taking peoples' money to continue development, there's a new responsibility to respond to the questions and demands of the people who are paying... even if the questions come from just one or two people, and the community-at-large is bizarrely okay with unexplained (until I ask) delays.

Plus, I just don't like him.

Whether or not you like my reasons is one thing.  But to say I've been poking "for no real reason" is incorrect.

[TheClash603]

...there is a reason I never preordered this game.  I too agree that there should be more openness to those who are now essentially investors for the game.  Once it comes out I will get a copy, but in the meantime, it does seem like an uncomfortable situation for those that have already paid.

[Arkhan Asylum]

After quite a bit of time had passed and the new date appeared unattainable, I said nothing.  For a while.  But then I saw Rover in shoutbox blaming the delay on someone else, while simultaneously revealing that person's private life info.  Of course, that person was not present.  That pissed me off -- whether or not the person being blamed would have been pissed -- so that's when I poked again.  Rover confirmed the delay and provided a new date.  His post on here was worded politely and properly, so I dropped it.

Why don't you let the person whom the private info concerns decide how they feel about it instead of getting pissed off for them, and poking fun?   When delays occur, it has always been explained in a sensible manner.  The majority of pre-orderers are understanding of real-life having precedence over a hobby/community project.  That's because everyone knows how real life can bitch slap you when you least expect or need it.

I don't mean this the way it's going to sound, but I don't see you doing a similar line of jabbing and prodding in regards to Pier Solar, another long-delayed, extremely preordered homebrew.    What gives?   Why the bias attitude?  It's unnecessary.

Now, someone has tried unsuccessfully to get a response about their money.  In past threads about other people, there would have been an outcry if the seller were unreachable.  Has anyone from FrozenUtopia told this guy what Rover's correct email address is?  Does anyone from FrozenUtopia even know?  Is this guy going to get his money back, or is he going to be fed a story that makes him feel guilty for even asking for his money back?

Why don't you mind your own business?   Yes it is being mentioned publicly, but there are enough frozen utopia members present that the matter ends up going through the proper channels and arriving where it needs to, and is then handled accordingly.   You are aware ParanoiaDragon is part of Frozen Utopia, and already responded?   You'd think with all the investigation fueled by RoverHate^TM, you would at least know the other members on the project....?

And even if you aren't aware of who knows what...  So what?  It isn't your business.  Let the relevant people deal with it.  They are here too, and everyone is aware.  You aren't some VIP information holder here on this public forum.   Just because it's out in the open doesn't mean you have to get involved.   If you feel the need to assist, maybe you should ask if you can hop on board as the financial overseer and public relations expert for Frozen Utopia?

Or you could start your Octology and see how you fair with dealing with it all while Real Life: The Game is running constantly.

Rover indicates that this game is close to completion (just waiting on a key piece), but I'm skeptical.  Once the key pieces are together, there's still work to be done, which could be small or large.  What's clear here is that the major components are not finished. 

There is a fully playable beta?  It was reviewed at one point already?  Duh!  I can also vouch for the game being about wrapped up. 

There's only one reason to open pre-orders before all the major components are finished -- THEY NEED MONEY (presumably to fund final stages of development).  Once someone starts taking peoples' money to continue development, there's a new responsibility to respond to the questions and demands of the people who are paying... even if the questions come from just one or two people, and the community-at-large is bizarrely okay with unexplained (until I ask) delays.

The reason for taking preorder money is the same reason I took preorder money.   It's to front the cost of CD Pressing.   Not to fund the actual development of the game.   The friggin development is free.   Maybe it pays for a 2am coke/cheetoh run or two, but thats about it.

Plus, I just don't like him.

Letting personal feelings affect your reactions towards a quasi-professional project is wack, sucka.

...there is a reason I never preordered this game.  I too agree that there should be more openness to those who are now essentially investors for the game.  Once it comes out I will get a copy, but in the meantime, it does seem like an uncomfortable situation for those that have already paid.

The problem isn't the lack of openness, its the lack of TIME for openness.  You'll notice, there are large gaps between rover's posts.   

I fully understand people being skeptical, but there is a right way, and a wrong way to go about voicing concerns and looking for answers to problems. 

Case in point:  This thread.

I think it will all work out for the best, and the end result will be a nice game to wave in the faces of the other retro console enthusiasts.

PCE 4 LIFE.

[nectarsis]

Why don't you let the person whom the private info concerns decide how they feel about it instead of getting pissed off for them

I don't mean this the way it's going to sound, but I don't see you doing a similar line of jabbing and prodding in regards to Pier Solar, another long-delayed, extremely preordered homebrew.    What gives?   Why the bias attitude?  It's unnecessary.

Like you white knighting for Rover.  Shouldn't HE be dealing with this...he has logged on not that long ago (4/18).

Pier Solar is irrelevant to this convo, it's about MS.


"Why don't you mind your own business?  Just because it's out in the open doesn't mean you have to get involved."

Ironic..what business of yours is it?  You KEEP getting involved..whats good for the goose...



"The problem isn't the lack of openness, its the lack of TIME for openness.  You'll notice, there are large gaps between rover's posts."

Yet he does lurk somewhat regularly.  Frankly with the previous thread calling him out on $ issues, etc.  maybe people SHOULD be posting more about this.  I can see things getting worked out, but frankly calling this 5+ year journey, and the lack of updates/communication "quasi-professional" it's not being handled properly/professionally (especially keeping people in the loop).

It's funny you are doing EXACTLY the same things you're jumping on Emerald for.  This is no more your business than it is his, it's obvious you don't likr Emerald, but rag onhim for acting the same.  Double standards fail.

[Keranu]

I can say in all honesty that the majority of the game is and has been done. Some people may have a really hard time grasping the idea that people in the development team are in real life crises, but that is ultimately the reason why MSR hasn't been released yet. Don't believe me? Look at The Old Rover and CrackTiger's post history. Notice how posts have been few and far between? From what they've been able to tell us in their free time, they are both going through really hard shit right now. Both of them are honest people so just because they aren't able to respond to something immediately is no reason to discredit them. I'm sure we've all been in situations where we need to do something but can't because of something more important getting in the way.

Now here's some good news for you all. CrackTiger, as far as I know, is done drawing (and I think even digitally painting) all the cinemas. He posted his work recently on the private Frozen Utopia forum and it's phenomenal. The only thing left that needs to be done on his part are the final touches, which I assume includes various design touch ups, color reduction, and some color swapping and anti-aliasing. Nod has told us he is finally settling down in his new home and will be back on a coding binge to try and wrap all of this up. The best part about all of this is that when one member starts working hard it motivates the entire group to work hard as well. The remainder of MSR may be in Nod and BT's hands, but the rest of us are making progess on other projects in the mean time. ;)

The state that Mysterious Song has been in since last fall is a product that's essentially something we could've released back in 2005 with what we had planned back then. Beta testers can (and well, have ) pop the game in and play it from beginning to end with relatively few minor bugs. The catch is that there are no cinemas and not all the hidden content we have planned; things that weren't intended to be included in 2005. I can gaurantee that MSR will be released, it's just way too far along to be cancelled now. If some people want to be sour about it, that's fine. But to those that have been patiently waiting, we thank you and we ask that you keep hanging in there with us.

[Emerald Rocker]

Response to Arkhan deleted ---

Thank you for the update, Keranu.

[RoyVegas]

Thanks for the update Keranu.

At times I tend to wonder what stage of finishing the game is in (as I have pre-ordered it long ago).  I do realize that things happen all the time that can take people away from the project and that's totally understandable.  What kind of sucks is just the fact that those of us who have sent our money in, don't really get updated with what's going on.  I do have faith that it will not only be finished but be totally badass.  I guess my only request would be that ANYONE at all involved in the project just throw us a little update here and there.  I don't want an estimated completion date (as shit can happen to throw that off), what I would prefer would be just a little info on the progress.

Once again thank you for the update that you just posted.  It's appreciated.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Like you white knighting for Rover.  Shouldn't HE be dealing with this...he has logged on not that long ago (4/18).

Ironic..what business of yours is it?  You KEEP getting involved..whats good for the goose...

It's funny you are doing EXACTLY the same things you're jumping on Emerald for.  This is no more your business than it is his,

The thing of it is, it is just as much my business as it is Frozen Utopia's.  Us PCE devvers stick together and back each other up.   You always seem to complain and speak out when this occurs.  I frequent the forums muuuuch more than the rest of Frozen Utopia does, so rather than sit back and let the shit fly unchecked, I would rather step in and help settle things.  Why should someone who is letting personal grudges influence things get to spew crap unchecked?   

You don't step in to say anything about that or the other petty jabs that are peppered across the forum, but you step in to tell me I'm being a hypocrite?  Gimme a break. 

it's obvious you don't likr Emerald, but rag onhim for acting the same.  Double standards fail.

I don't have a problem with Emerald.   Despite what you may think....So, what was that about fail?

I just don't dig on people letting personal opinions towards one person fuel their actions towards a bigger picture.

So, spare me your typical insight.  It ain't doing much.

[nectarsis]

The thing of it is, it is just as much my business as it is Frozen Utopia's.  Us PCE devvers stick together and back each other up.

So, spare me your typical insight.  It ain't doing much.

Regardless you aren't part of FU, yet you feel the need to be their "mouthpiece" but can condemn others that it's "none of their business."  Yep that IS fail.  It is no more your business than Emerald or anyone else's.

Funny I've seen Rover on not that long ago, Keranu has posted, PD has posted, hell Black Tiger has been on a few times.  They seem to be on more than enough to take of THEIR business/speak for themselves.  As Roy stated updates, you know communicating with people that sent $ for a game, yet get almost no updates seems to be a bad thing eh?  You would think there would be more direct action/someone alerting Rover, etc than what amounts to basically excuses.  We all know that "life" gets in the way/shit happens.  Five minutes to post updates is hardly that taxing.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Regardless you aren't part of FU, yet you feel the need to be their "mouthpiece" but can condemn others that it's "none of their business."  Yep that IS fail.  It is no more your business than Emerald or anyone else's.

Not being part of FU doesn't change the fact I'm in contact with the crew every day, talking about stuff and keeping present about things.  It's not like were all secret covert groups that don't chat/share things daily.

Its not really condemning someone when you point out that they're nosing into other peoples business for personal reasons.  besides, I am not the only one who thinks Emerald needs to take his grudge elsewhere.  You should stop focusing on declaring fail, and start focusing on the actual point here, unless you're cool with grudge filled instigation on the forum.  Drama's always fun amirite?

Funny I've seen Rover on not that long ago, Keranu has posted, PD has posted, hell Black Tiger has been on a few times.  They seem to be on more than enough to take of THEIR business/speak for themselves.  As Roy stated updates, you know communicating with people that sent $ for a game, yet get almost no updates seems to be a bad thing eh?  You would think there would be more direct action/someone alerting Rover, etc than what amounts to basically excuses.  We all know that "life" gets in the way/shit happens.  Five minutes to post updates is hardly that taxing.

Well, it's common knowledge Keranu doesn't post here often.  Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up. 

From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.

so........ I think everyone, me included, now needs to stfu about it and do something else.  Unless they have something upbeat and positive to say.

[nectarsis]

Its not really condemning someone when you point out that they're nosing into other peoples business for personal reasons.

Drama's always fun amirite?

Well, it's common knowledge Keranu doesn't post here often.  Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up.

so........ I think everyone, me included, now needs to stfu about it and do something else.  Unless they have something upbeat and positive to say.

Funny as Emerald is far from the only one that has mentioned the same concerns.  He just seems to have the balls to voice them.

You admit to liking forum drama, you tell me.

Other members of the team are logged on regularly weather they post or not (and before these posts started).  They are on, so no hurting your arm patting yourself on the back that you gave them the "heads up."  MAYBE if things would be checked on in a "quasi professional" manner stuff like this wouldn't pop up ya think?

As for that last part..the hippy hall monitor kumbayah crap is old man.  How many times you gonna pull the STFU, blah blah only positive crap.  That's not the way it's gonna be all the time, deal with it.  If people can't take criticism (weather you feel it's right/warranted/whatever) that's just sad.

[Emerald Rocker]

Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up. 

From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.

I haven't actually seen any indication that pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, but if he is, that's great.  I'm willing to assume that since Keranu stepped up with an update, that someone will privately contact pepe.

I frequent the forums muuuuch more than the rest of Frozen Utopia does, so rather than sit back and let the shit fly unchecked, I would rather step in and help settle things.  Why should someone who is letting personal grudges influence things get to spew crap unchecked? 

Arkhan, I'm going to tell you the difference between your "white-knighting" and mine:

Rover has peoples' money.  Therefore, he owes those people updates.  He owes them updates that you are incapable of providing, because you are not Rover -- you aren't even part of FrozenUtopia.  You may not like the way I go about things, but it gets results and those results inform people.  It's a useful outcome.

I, on the other hand, don't owe people anything.  "White-knighting" against me is useless.

[Keranu]

I'm sure Rover will refund anyone who wishes to be refunded. I have never known him to be a scammer of any sort nor has he ever mentioned any intention of sort. He's just as inactive on the private Frozen Utopia forum as he is here or anywhere else; the man is busy. Believe me, the rest of us at Frozen Utopia anxiously await his responses as much as anyone else. Rover was able to take care of that whole prototype transaction dilemma awhile back, it just took him awhile because of his lack of time. If Rover wanted to steal your money, then I'm sure he wouldn't have started developing a game only to start some pre-order scam hype five years later for the TG16 of all systems. He didn't just close down the pre-order option for nothing, you know.

Anyone seeking a refund, please remain patient. Rover will come around eventually.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Funny as Emerald is far from the only one that has mentioned the same concerns.  He just seems to have the balls to voice them.

Nah the thing of it is, the other people who voice concern either keep it private, or when they take it public, they don't let their "OMG I HATE ROVER" part interfere.  Your lack of response to the matter only makes me think you're cool with hate fueled negativity.

If someones curious/concerned about the status of things, it doesn't hurt to ASK.   It does hurt to instigate problems.  That shit leads nowhere good and accomplishes nothing.


Quasi Professional means it resembles, but ISN'T professional, no matter how much we would all like to think it is..  This, and all homebrew for dead consoles, is hobbyist stuff.  its done in spare time.  Noones getting paid top dollar to invest all this time into the project.  If real life demands something else, thats the nature of the beast.  Anyone supporting homebrew needs to understand this.   None of these projects are paying our bills, or keeping us afloat.   If the things that DO keep us afloat and maintain our wellbeing experience problems, those take priority.  Real life is always more important....  I think anyone can agree to that?

And for that matter, there was an update on FU's site about the delays already, over a month ago.  Spells EVERYTHING out.   So what is the actual problem? Noones actually really left in the dark.  There are more places to get your PCE updates than this forum.   So, Emerald Rocker, I don't think you being a jerk because you don't like Rover is producing anything in the way of results.

and like I said, it doesnt take much to ask one of the many members who are logged on. Shoot em a PM, or make a post.  Hell that's what pepe did before this all went south.  Im sure without your white knightin', things would have been solved just fine anyways.   So what kind of result did YOU bring?

As for that last part..the hippy hall monitor kumbayah crap is old man.  How many times you gonna pull the STFU, blah blah only positive crap.  That's not the way it's gonna be all the time, deal with it.  If people can't take criticism (weather you feel it's right/warranted/whatever) that's just sad.

Negative isnt all bad.  I just think we've got enough of it for now.  It doesn't seem to be needed anymore. 

however, being negative because you don't like someone is never warranted.    That kind of criticism is BS. 

If you dont like the kumbayah lets try to be positive crap and would rather keep this crap up, then I think THAT is what's sad. 

[nectarsis]

"Your lack of response to the matter only makes me think you're cool with hate fueled negativity."

Keep assuming.  Hey  a few peeps around here disliked Mike Helgeson for the way he "took care of things" but wow they seemed more effective than most no?


"You keep quoting quasi professional.  Do you know what it means?   It means it resembles, but ISN'T professional, no matter how much we would all like to think it is.."

 Yes I know what it means.  Yet you're using it to try and make it seem MORE professional than some backalley crap shack.


"And for that matter, there was an update on FU's site about the delays already, over a month ago.  Spells EVERYTHING out.   So what is the actual problem? Noones actually really left in the dark.  There are more places to get your PCE updates than this forum."

Well to be frank $ was solicited here, the update should been put here first.  People were only directed toward FU AFTER the fact (update was posted 3/3 on FU, the 3/9 here...only AFTER Emerald posting asking about it).  If 'time is so limited" wouldn't it have made more sense to copy/paste that here as well (where I'd wager a majority of the preorders came from) at the same time..that would take what an extra 2-3 minutes tops.


"If you dont like the kumbayah lets try to be positive crap and would rather keep this crap up, then I think THAT is what's sad."

Nah when it's overdone it gets pathetic.  Anytime criticism surfaces, escpecially homebrew you (and mainly you) get all worked up.  Being a a person involved in homebrew doesn't mean you're above reproach/criticism.  If you can't take negative comments, you obviously need a thicker skin.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Keep assuming.  Hey  a few peeps around here disliked Mike Helgeson for the way he "took care of things" but wow they seemed more effective than most no?

What's effective about ragging on other members? All that leads to is people losing interest, leaving, etc.  Mikes not exactly here any more .  I think raggin' on members has caused more loss than gain, yeah? 

Yes I know what it means.  Yet you're using it to try and make it seem MORE professional than some backalley crap shack.

Back alley crap shack?  is that what you think this project is?   I'm not trying to do anything. It resembles a pro-development setup.  Site, forum, projects, updates, crew and all.   But in reality is a bunch of hobbyists putting out a game for a console they particularly fancy.  That is how all homebrews are.  It's always quasi-professional.  Every project, every group, every time.

Well to be frank $ was solicited here, the update should been put here first.  People were only directed toward FU AFTER the fact (update was posted 3/3 on FU, the 3/9 here...only AFTER Emerald posting asking about it).

Well to be frank, if someone gives 30$ to someone and can't be arsed to check THEIR SITE for updates, thats their problem.  If you're savvy enough to complain about it on a forum you should be savvy enough to type www.frozenutopia.com in the address bar, click go, and read the first thing on the site.



I get worked up when people criticize homebrew, because most of the time it's out of ignorance.   Homebrew is often a thankless art.  People don't understand how demanding it is to make these games, so it really sucks to have people sitting back and poking fun and jabbing. Especially for reasons like "I dont like that person". 

That isn't even criticism.   Thats just being petty.

So excuse me for getting worked up when theres negative criticism, or just outright trolling.  Maybe when you put in hours and hours of work for a PCE homebrew, and then see people sitting back taking little jabs, you will see what the problem is.

Doing that indirectly spits on everyone involved.

[nectarsis]

"What's effective about ragging on other members? All that leads to is people losing interest, leaving, etc.  Mikes not exactly here any more Very Happy.  I think raggin' on members has caused more loss than gain, yeah?"

Ask ceti about his Duo woes, or the various scammers that have been run off, and get back to me.

"Back alley crap shack?  is that what you think this project is?"

Now your just reaching.  I didn't call it that..you read what you want to eh?  I am stating that you are OVERUSING the quasi part.  Everything you listed can be done by a lot of people that have the skills, hardly denotes profesional (quasi or otherwise).  You yourself just nailed it on the head...HOBBYISTS (even others have brought up the meager amounts of updates on their page/forum..quasi what again?).

"Well to be frank, if someone gives 30$ to someone and can't be arsed to check THEIR SITE for updates, thats their problem.  If you're savvy enough to complain about it on a forum you should be savvy enough to type www.frozenutopia.com in the address bar, click go, and read the first thing on the site."

Well when this was one of the MAIN avenues for info/$ taking ...common sense would dictate that updates should be done here as well.  Hell many peeps here have never been to/heard of the FU site..so that's their fault if the ordered thru here and were getting most of their info about the game from how many diff threads here for how many years they should be ignored?

[Arkhan Asylum]

Read post one of this thread, and get back to me.

[nectarsis]

Read post one of this thread, and get back to me.

Keep avoiding it man.  It's everyone else's problem to expect communication.  Tracking down an MIA person isn't their responsibilty.

[Arkhan Asylum]

avoiding what?  You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com .  That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.

you had to go to the site IN ORDER TO PREORDER IT. 

Everyone who pre-ordered is fully aware of the site, and is capable of going there to check for updates and contact info. 

One person seems to have had communication issues regarding refund emails. Im sure it will get straightened out.  You act like its some ancient chinese riddle, and that we are all doomed.  Internet Armageddon is upon as all.   

You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc.

That is precisely what pepe was working on doing before Emerald chimed in with yet another "I dont like Rover" jab.   The results of that are in, and they weren't productive.  Prior to that though, things seemed to be getting along fine.

[nectarsis]

avoiding what?  You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com .  That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.

you had to go to the site IN ORDER TO PREORDER IT. 

Everyone who pre-ordered is fully aware of the site, and is capable of going there to check for updates and contact info. 

One person seems to have had communication issues regarding refund emails. Im sure it will get straightened out.  You act like its some ancient chinese riddle, and that we are all doomed.  Internet Armageddon is upon as all.  

You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc.

That is precisely what pepe was working on doing before Emerald chimed in with yet another "I dont like Rover" jab.   The results of that are in, and they weren't productive.  Prior to that though, things seemed to be getting along fine.

Well we def know you know how to be an overdramatic drama queen eh?

avoiding what?  You act like noone who preordered the game knew about www.frozenutopia.com .  That means you probably didn't preorder and are mostly talking out of your ass.

No I didn't preorder I have over 300+ PCE/TG games to play much less wait on another one with no clear timetable.


"You are right though, it is everyone who preordered and wants a refund's responsibility to track down the refund email, etc." 

Yeah you know if the email actually works, or is answered in a timely manner (read professional customer service).  They shouldn't have to trak down info like it's a hunt.  Seems to be the situation right now.

[nat]

This has gotten out of hand. Emerald Rocker brought up a valid concern, regardless of his personal feelings about The Old Rover. At this stage I'm going to give involved parties the benefit of the doubt and believe they are handling peperocket's request in a proper manner.

On the other hand, this discussion has deteriorated to petty argument between two parties (you know who you are) who don't even have the slightest thing to do with the situation. Further posts on the subject will be deleted and/or the thread locked.

[esteban]

Peace, love and harmony.

That is all I ask of our troubled little PCE community.

[peperocket]

Other people are busy doing stuff in real life and don't always have the luxury of hopping on to give a status update.  Its nice to have eyes and ears to let them know if somethings going down.  Who do you think gave them the heads up. 

From what I can see, we now have our status update in lieu of Rover's absence, pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, Emerald hates Rover 4 Lyfe, etc.

I haven't actually seen any indication that pepe is getting assistance with his refund request, but if he is, that's great.  I'm willing to assume that since Keranu stepped up with an update, that someone will privately contact pepe.

Sure, I'm always waiting a solution about that because no real answer or refund at this time !

[Keranu]

Nod hasn't posted on the Frozen Utopia staff board in awhile. Please remain patient, peperocket, I know he will refund you soon enough.

[peperocket]

Thank you for your answer.

[OldRover]

Holy shit, I come back to the forum and it's exploded like this...pages upon pages of arguments.

Peperocket, I got your PM just now...I didn't get an email notification so I didn't know you had sent me a PM. I have not been here in quite some time. I will get your refund to you as soon as possible. We've been having a LOT of problems with both Paypal and eBay, so the original account had to be closed and the money transferred elsewhere. We're hoping for a resolution by Wednesday but in the meantime, we're pretty much fucked thanks to their ineptness. And this isn't the first time they've tried to fuck us either. Regardless, I can send it via a different method if you wish.

Someone mentioned in this thread that I'd been on on the 18th...sorry, I wasn't here on that day. My wife, however, occasionally visits this forum on my account, so she was probably here in the last couple of weeks.

In any event, today is my first day back on duty at FU. There's a lot of catching-up to do, so I'm going to mostly be over at the FU forum as well as on IRC. If anyone needs to reach me right away, I'm going to be on efnet #frozenutopia and #utopiasoft for awhile, as well as freenode #palib.

[peperocket]

No problem I can wait. Refund me when you've resolved the paypal problem.

Thank you.

[OldRover]

It's been suggested that we do some video previews of the game. I am going to work on this, and I will post a few on youtube soon. I don't have the best setup for it, and I don't have real hardware to test with, so I will be using mednafen together with camstudio. It should give fairly decent results, but we'll see how it turns out.

[RoyVegas]

It's been suggested that we do some video previews of the game.

Excellent suggestion oldskool!

[Senshi]

Rover, what is the name of the youtube account you'll be posting the video's on?

[oldskool]

Huh?  What did I do?

[OldRover]

Rover, what is the name of the youtube account you'll be posting the video's on?

Don't know yet...I might just use my Eponasoft channel but then again, it might be better to use a new one for Frozen Utopia.

[OldMan]

Rover, save yourself some trouble; use ootake for the videos. Not that I prefer one emulator over another (I really don't), but ootake lets you save the keystrokes while playing; that way you don't have to waste a lot of time trying again and again to get a good capture of the neat stuff you want to show off. You can just tell ootake to re-play the saved game, and tweak capture settings until you are content.

Arkhan played insanity dozens of times trying to get the sequences he wanted for his you-tube videos. Would have been easier (and quicker) to get the right run-though and play it back...

[OldRover]

It's an RPG, not an action game, so capturing the right video isn't going to be difficult. Plus I can't really figure out ootake...does it support isos? If not, then it's useless to me. We've used mednafen for ages because of its high accuracy level and built-in support for cuesheets.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Ootake is a bit more happy as far as ISOs actually.

You don't even NEED a cuesheet.  You can just mount an ISO in daemontools and itll think its a real CD.

The cuesheet is needed however, if you want to have your background redbook audio playing, lol.


so you would mount the cuesheet instead of the iso I suppose.


But yeah it lets you record a video while you are playing.  Granted it is a emulator video, so you have to replay it IN the emulator and it'll repeat what you did.

It works out pretty nice.   You can also do a wav dump of the PSG, but that may not help you too much.

For what it's worth, Ootake is pretty accurate too.   Sound wise you'll barely notice PSG differences, and play-wise, I've yet to notice anything weird in Ootake!




No luck on the rerecording of mednafen?