Mysterious Song Pre-Orders Are Open!

[OldRover]

I just haven't gotten to it yet. Mednafen doesn't record video files I can make use of and, apparently, neither does ootake. Oh well. But regardless, I have a way of making videos already, so no worries.

[Arkhan Asylum]

man, I should find out how people were making youtube videos with mednafen lol

[OldMan]

Wasn't actually thinking about doing the captures with ootake - I didn't even know you could. But you're gonna get real tired of doing the same thing over and over to show off the game; that's where ootakes keystroke capture/playback helps.
Yeah, ootake supports isos - we use it and medafen to make sure code works on both emulators. In general, ootake -is- more accurate, but that's just my opinion. (quite honestly, neither of them gets the vsyncs quite right)
Figured you were doing some kind of screen capture/video capture for the video. So long as you don't get stuck re-playing the game over and over to get just the right compression :-)

[OldRover]

Nah, I already got it down, it's all good. But trust me...I got real tired of doing the same thing over and over again just to TEST the game during development...running it a few times for some videos is gonna be a walk in the park.

[OldRover]

Mysterious Song will be on demo at the CCAG this weekend, courtesy of Arkhan. Also, we may have a second game on demo there as well.

[hcf]

I just haven't gotten to it yet. Mednafen doesn't record video files I can make use of and, apparently, neither does ootake. Oh well. But regardless, I have a way of making videos already, so no worries.

If you finally are not able to record videos from ootake or mednafen, I have tested some free Windows programs that record all that happens in a window that you select. So, playing with Mednafen to your game and selecting this window, maybe is an easy way to record that video. If you are interested let me know and I will search which programs I used (it was months ago, so I must search a bit in the hard disk of my office, but I hope to find them quickly).

[OldRover]

That's what I'm doing already.

[touko]

Eh hcf, i'am interested by your program .. 

If you remember his name ..

[hcf]

Eh hcf, i'am interested by your program .. 

If you remember his name ..

Well, I see that I tested lots of programs to do this, and I remember that some of them recorded all your screen, and the other programs recorded one Window (or area) that you selected, but I don't remember exactly which program makes what.

In any case, I will tell you the names of the best programs that I found. I liked "oRipa Video Recorder" very much and it's free (although maybe it records all the screen instead of a single window, I don't remember...). Finally I chose that one, but my work was related to record all the screen, so I don't know if it can be usefull for us now.

I liked "BSR Screen Recorder" too, although this was not free (I am sure that this one can select an area in the screen to record). Maybe you can try these programs

[touko]

Gracias man 

I'll try "oRipa Video Recorder" .
Aaaaaarhg, this program is free,but it has 60 seconds recording time limited   

[hcf]

Gracias man 

I'll try "oRipa Video Recorder" .
Aaaaaarhg, this program is free,but it has 60 seconds recording time limited  

Oh, sooooorry!!   Yes, the trial version is limited to 60 seconds and also it draws a watermark in the video. The full version (not free) does not have these limits. I forgot about that, I used this months ago in my job. Sorry!!

[touko]

Oh, sooooorry!!   Yes, the trial version is limited to 60 seconds and also it draws a watermark in the video. The full version (not free) does not have these limits. I forgot about that, I used this months ago in my job. Sorry!!

No problems, i'll try to find another one  ..

Make a video with ootake or mednafen is easy, but how to make a classic video format ??

[OldRover]

I'm using camstudio. It's free and it doesn't have any watermarks unless you add one yourself.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I use hypercam

but I happened to have a registered copy my dads friend gave me, since he didnt want it anymore.

[lord_cack]

Ok, this is as good a place as any for this update.

We at Frozen Utopia thought it would be a great idea if we could provide a nice place to get information about upcoming releases, release dates, and various other bits of information pertaining to Frozen Utopia. So we created the Frozen Utopia Facebook Page:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116438578395148&v=info

Its pretty bare at the moment. But we have somethings planned to post, along with just general information that will be posted there. So everyone with a Facebook page (or who is willing to create one), come over and join.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

What is Jungle Bros?

[Arjak]

I have joined your facebook. I can't wait to find out what kind of game Jungle Bros. is!

[Arkhan Asylum]

its an epic epic of epic proportions.

[OldRover]

Jungle Bros is our next game in line after Mysterious Song. And no, it's not the reason MSR has been delayed. It is lord cack's game so I'll let him give the details if he so chooses to do so.

[lord_cack]

I'm just a tease 

[Arkhan Asylum]

I'm just a tease 

Thats what SHE said.



yeah, tall us moar plz.

[lord_cack]

I'm just a tease 

Thats what SHE said.



yeah, tall us moar plz.

Soon, give me some time and you guys can read what its about and see alittle bit of it too. No date as you yet, but design for the Demo is being completed. It all comes down to time.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Soon, give me some time and you guys can read what its about and see a little bit of it too. No date as you yet, but design for the Demo is being completed. It all comes down to time.

Woo-hoo!  I'm anxiously awaiting the news, but a word of advice: save yourself the headache by never setting an exact date.  Life invariably will intervene and things will get delayed, then you'll have to listen to people piss and moan that you missed an arbitrary deadline.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Woo-hoo!  I'm anxiously awaiting the news, but a word of advice: save yourself the headache by never setting an exact date.  Life invariably will intervene and things will get delayed, then you'll have to listen to people piss and moan that you missed an arbitrary deadline.

My bets are that some people will piss and moan either way.


Also, the preliminary demo I fiddled with was pretty cool.  So, it can only get sweeter.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

My bets are that some people will piss and moan either way.

Too true, too true.

[Emerald Rocker]

I can't imagine why anyone would seriously piss and moan about some hardworking homebrewers missing an arbitrary date.

Now, if the homebrewers were to take people's money and miss dates without telling everyone, that's different.

That's my four cents.  Now I'm off to go play Parodius!

[Arkhan Asylum]

I can't imagine why anyone would seriously piss and moan about some hardworking homebrewers missing an arbitrary date.

Now, if the homebrewers were to take people's money and miss dates without telling everyone, that's different.

That's my four cents.  Now I'm off to go play Parodius!

well, usually, updates are posted on the homebrew teams' sites with pertinent updates and information.

The money spenders also usually know about these sites and are able to go find the information without pissing and moaning

haters gonna hate.

[_Paul]

Just say it will be released in 2054 then everyone will get a nice surprise when it's early!

[lord_cack]

Just say it will be released in 2054 then everyone will get a nice surprise when it's early!

December 22, 2012.... 

[Emerald Rocker]

well, usually, updates are posted on the homebrew teams' sites with pertinent updates and information

Usually, yes.  That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning.  I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now.  Thank you for agreeing with me.  I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).

Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then.  Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!

[Arkhan Asylum]

Usually, yes.  That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning.  I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now.  Thank you for agreeing with me.  I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).

But... they weren't silent.  lol.  An update answering the question was right there in the open.  I think people just forgot to check the site.  People forget to check sites when they are used to foruming.

Either way, let the people who actually paid money piss and moan about it.

But, yes, since the recent debacle... there is another way to get updates now too, on facebook.  Everyone loves facebook.  Theres farmville, mafia wars, and now Frozen Utopia.

Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then.  Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!

Nice. Obvious troll is obvious. 

[Emerald Rocker]

An update answering the question was right there in the open.

Except it wasn't.  Not until after I pressed for information.  Their site had not been updated in months, and it was only updated after I "pissed and moaned".  Listen, I understand that FrozenUtopia are your friends, but that doesn't mean they are always right.  You're not doing them any favors by provoking me with subtle jabs.

Either way, let the people who actually paid money piss and moan about it.

That is exactly what happened.  Again, it's best for you to let this drop.  I have no incentive to let sleeping dogs lie, but you do.

Obvious troll is obvious.

Uh... not really sure how to reply to this.  Internet posts are on the internet?  English text is in English?  Human beings are human beings?  Copycats who can't come up with their own stuff think they are talented?

[lord_cack]

well, usually, updates are posted on the homebrew teams' sites with pertinent updates and information

Usually, yes.  That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning.  I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now.  Thank you for agreeing with me.  I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).

Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then.  Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!

well, usually, updates are posted on the homebrew teams' sites with pertinent updates and information

Usually, yes.  That's why FrozenUtopia's silence -- both here and on their website -- justified pissing and moaning.  I was "in the right" then and I'm still "in the right" now.  Thank you for agreeing with me.  I was afraid that you and Necromancer were trying to poke fun at me (but misrepresenting my point in the process).

Hopefully they've learned a thing or two since then.  Now I'm going to listen to some Rolling Stones!

I'm gonna make this comment and then try my best to not react and be dragged into anymore of your unproductive and community souring banter. Months ago, you mentioning a game that I KNOW FOR A FACT had NEVER been mentioned in an open forum, ONLY in Frozen Utopia's PRIVATE DEVELOPERS FORUM, well thats beyond UNCOOL. Uncool completely. You disrespect the people involved and most of all you disrespected me.

You know nothing about me and what I do. But, I will let you know that Jungle Bros. is MY creation and represents a large chunk of my time over the past 3 years. You had absolutely no right to mention it and I honestly don't know who you think you are. You can say what you want about having "heard it mentioned on these forums or in shout box". I know thats not true. I just thought people should know because you seem to want to point out when someone else is being "shady".

You sir are absolutely entitled to your opinions on things, but you crossed a line and everyone should know it....

[Emerald Rocker]

Uh, I was talking about Mysterious Song.

[lord_cack]

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=2453.msg134963#msg134963

Months ago.

[Arkhan Asylum]

You're not doing them any favors by provoking me with subtle jabs.

Subtle jabs!  Your endearing specialty .  Though, I think enough people are hip to your trolling that it isn't subtle anymore, lol.  Didn't you openly admit at one time that your days as a "helpful contributer" are gone, or something like that?

That is exactly what happened.  Again, it's best for you to let this drop.  I have no incentive to let sleeping dogs lie, but you do.

Not exactly.  You didn't pre-order, right?  So why get involved by making Emerald Rocker Subtle Jabs^TM?    Practice what you preach. 

Uh... not really sure how to reply to this.  Internet posts are on the internet?  English text is in English?  Human beings are human beings?  Copycats who can't come up with their own stuff think they are talented?

What I am saying is, if you are going to be a jerk and hate on homebrew for whatever reason, keep it to your own forum/shoutbox, or little circle of friends, man.  The upbeat community at large doesn't need any rain on any parades, even if a project is delayed, problems arise, or the game turns out kinda crappy...  It's still keeping a dead system alive, right ?

That goes for everybody though.  Not just you.  No one has any place to hate on homebrew efforts and the people involved until they themselves have seen what it's like to do it.

btw, have you started your Octology?   

[Emerald Rocker]

lord_cack:
So?  I could say more (and did, but deleted it).  I explained that to you in PM when you asked, months ago.  I think I heard about it in the forum or on shoutbox (which I doubt you monitor 24/7).  If you were that upset about it, you could have said so before now.  After you contacted me and said it was secret, I never mentioned it again.  I wasn't trying to steal your thunder... and more importantly, I didn't.

[Emerald Rocker]

Arkhan:
My days as a helpful contributor are far from over.  But anyways.  I'm not interested in discussing Mysterious Song anymore than I already have -- it's getting boring, to be honest -- but there's a particular point I've heard before (from others, not just you) that I want to respond to.

No one has any place to hate on homebrew efforts and the people involved until they themselves have seen what it's like to do it.

Wrong.  People are allowed to say "I didn't like this song" even if they never played in a band themselves.  People are allowed to judge novels without writing one.  People are allowed to say "I won't buy Itagaki's games because he is a womanizing bastard" -- they don't have to work for Tecmo themselves to have an informed opinion.  Audiences often have clearer opinions than the creators.

And besides, you've got no idea what I have or haven't done.  I don't talk about such things because they aren't relevant.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Arkhan:
My days as a helpful contributor are far from over. 

Good!  We need moar positive stuff.  Negative nonsense is better suited elsewhere. 

But anyways.  I'm not interested in discussing Mysterious Song anymore than I already have -- it's getting boring,

Good also .  Great even!

Wrong.  People are allowed to say "I didn't like this song" even if they never played in a band themselves.  People are allowed to judge novels without writing one.  People are allowed to say "I won't buy Itagaki's games because he is a womanizing bastard" -- they don't have to work for Tecmo themselves to have an informed opinion.  Audiences often have clearer opinions than the creators.

Well, wait for the game to come out before you bad mouth it then. .  Doing so before hand just puts everyone in a pissy mood and makes people lose interest in working.

And besides, you've got no idea what I have or haven't done.  I don't talk about such things because they aren't relevant.

Whether you did/didn't preorder a game is relevant to complaining about the preordering process of the game, isn't it? (I think it is at least)   Otherwise you could be complaining for a party you aren't involved in.  I hope you pre-ordered though!   Everyone should pre-order.  It's good stuff.

The game itself, and the supporting homebrew part too.

Did you see the video footage of the game that I poorly recorded?

[OldRover]

I've got a few words to say on this whole thing.

People have the right to say whatever they want to whoever they want about whatever they want. Frozen Utopia has overcome every hardship thrown our way thus far, and we have already demonstrated that we are serious. Yes, our game is delayed, but yes, it WILL be released. And of course, yes, I know of a certain clique around these parts that is going to be very quick in insulting it, degrading it, completely missing all of the good parts, derogatorily comparing it to other games on other consoles, etc etc etc. But that's just how it works. The fact that so many people put forth their money to reserve a copy of our game is a voice far louder than a single dissident. The more that dissident insults us, the more we work to prove it wrong, which has the side-effect of producing better games for people who actually like to play them. The more they talk trash about us within their little clique, the more we laugh at their own inability to produce anything worthwhile of their own aside from biased websites thrown together in a few minutes with a website generator or a pre-made CMS. The more they think that they're getting away with having a two-faced rat among our ranks, the more ammunition it gives us. And even though I know that it matters not how good our work is, the dissident will always be quick to insult and degrade it, so that voice became stale long ago. That stale voice still drives me to prove it wrong though, even if I know that it can never be proven wrong because it is prejudiced for reasons unknown.

We're having a problem with PayPal still. They have been refusing to hear the case, so I have been forced to hire an attorney to get them to wise up and fix the issue we currently have with them. As it stands right now, all of the money is locked up in PayPal's system and they refuse to release it, so I cannot fulfill refunds, take new orders, or even afford the pressing at the moment. Until they release the funds, our hands are tied on this matter. Of course, I'm sure a certain someone in the clique will have a grand time with this one. And to that person, I offer my middle finger, raised in salute.

Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.

And one final note, and this is especially for the clique who still seems to be confused...we opted to charge for a real copy of the game because this is what the majority asked for. Whether or not you did is irrelevant. If people had not wanted a real pressed copy, we would have skipped it and simply released the game in bin/cue format when it was completed. And now, since you are so obsessed with reading what I've said in the past, go ahead and look into the past for the posts that prove it. Feel free to apply your usual form of misinterpretations, red herrings, and prejudices to the mix, because now, we all expect it.

[Senshi]

Rover that really sucks. I'm not sure if you can tell me but why would paypal freeze the funds? What is their reason?

Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.

No Neutopia III? *sniff* 

[OldRover]

Neutopia III isn't an RPG, it's an action adventure game. No worries.

PayPal won't tell us why. All I get is the runaround...I send an email and I get a response five days later, telling me that they're "looking into it". They've been "looking into it" for a couple of months now. It may have to do with a transaction they totally fucked up a few months back on eBay, but I have no way to know for sure until they get off their ass and fix it.

[Arm]

So there won't be an Epic RPG on 3 discs, after all ? 
Concerning Mysterious Song, do you think the french translation will also be included into the game ?

[OldRover]

Yes, the French translation will indeed be in the game. It hasn't been added yet since the bonus material isn't 100% finished (90% done and rising) but it'll be in there.

[TheClash603]

Due to the Paypal issue that is currently happening, resulting in lack of funds, have you considered pre-orders round 2?  I have seen enough progress to make me feel confident a pre-order would result in a great product sooner or later.

I don't know if you have finished the pre-order bonuses, but if you were to do an extra 25 or so, then maybe you'd have enough money for an attorney or pressing?  Just an idea, let me know!

[Arm]

I see. Please let me know when the final strings of text are available for translation.

[OldRover]

Yeah Arm, I'll give you the text as soon as it's ready.

Clash, I've considered re-opening the pre-orders, but I would have to either set up a new acct for it or use my wife's acct. Also, the bonus item has tentatively changed, so there is a high chance of the offer being extended to at least 100 orders.

[Arjak]

I've got a few words to say on this whole thing.

People have the right to say whatever they want to whoever they want about whatever they want. Frozen Utopia has overcome every hardship thrown our way thus far, and we have already demonstrated that we are serious. Yes, our game is delayed, but yes, it WILL be released. And of course, yes, I know of a certain clique around these parts that is going to be very quick in insulting it, degrading it, completely missing all of the good parts, derogatorily comparing it to other games on other consoles, etc etc etc. But that's just how it works. The fact that so many people put forth their money to reserve a copy of our game is a voice far louder than a single dissident. The more that dissident insults us, the more we work to prove it wrong, which has the side-effect of producing better games for people who actually like to play them. The more they talk trash about us within their little clique, the more we laugh at their own inability to produce anything worthwhile of their own aside from biased websites thrown together in a few minutes with a website generator or a pre-made CMS. The more they think that they're getting away with having a two-faced rat among our ranks, the more ammunition it gives us. And even though I know that it matters not how good our work is, the dissident will always be quick to insult and degrade it, so that voice became stale long ago. That stale voice still drives me to prove it wrong though, even if I know that it can never be proven wrong because it is prejudiced for reasons unknown.

We're having a problem with PayPal still. They have been refusing to hear the case, so I have been forced to hire an attorney to get them to wise up and fix the issue we currently have with them. As it stands right now, all of the money is locked up in PayPal's system and they refuse to release it, so I cannot fulfill refunds, take new orders, or even afford the pressing at the moment. Until they release the funds, our hands are tied on this matter. Of course, I'm sure a certain someone in the clique will have a grand time with this one. And to that person, I offer my middle finger, raised in salute.

Mysterious Song is our first, last, and only RPG. There will never be another one from us on the PCE. We are going to focus on other game types instead. If we decide to go to the PC-FX, we may produce an RPG there, but don't expect it.

And one final note, and this is especially for the clique who still seems to be confused...we opted to charge for a real copy of the game because this is what the majority asked for. Whether or not you did is irrelevant. If people had not wanted a real pressed copy, we would have skipped it and simply released the game in bin/cue format when it was completed. And now, since you are so obsessed with reading what I've said in the past, go ahead and look into the past for the posts that prove it. Feel free to apply your usual form of misinterpretations, red herrings, and prejudices to the mix, because now, we all expect it.

You know, sometimes I just want to tell these guys how I feel about them and how they are being such a-holes, but then I realize that they enjoy such anger, and that they'll probably just quote my post, sentence by sentence, and tear each one to shreds, nitpicking each argument and telling everyone why I'm a idiot because I was 99% accurate about them instead of 100% even though nobody who's sane gives a shit.

It's sad, but there are people out there who like to act like they are so big and bad, thinking they are so much better than everyone else when they aren't half the man or woman that they are insulting.

I especially find it hilarious when these people complain about how a certain homebrewer sucks because they aren't perfectly on schedule, make mistakes, or even just don't like them, even when their games kick ass and are generally a good person, and then refuse to do better, and make a project of similar or higher magnitude without a single problem happening along the way, to prove their own arguments.

If these people are so much better than you, Old Rover, I find it funny that they are unable, or more likely, too lazy to prove it.

When you get your PayPal problems sorted out, I'll definitely put in my pre-order. You know why? Because I respect what you are doing, appreciate how hard it must be, and am thankful for the product I am purchasing from you. See ya then.

[ParanoiaDragon]

So there won't be an Epic RPG on 3 discs, after all ? 
Concerning Mysterious Song, do you think the french translation will also be included into the game ?

I think it's more about that we don't have any plans whatsoever for a traditional RPG.  We have plans for other ideas that could be considered Action/RPG's.  But, I can't think of any turn based RPG's we have any plans for after this game.

[Arm]

I see. Oh well, the genre in itself (rpg or action rpg) isn't that important to me. What I'm interested in is the mood set by the game and the characters designs. By saying "3 disc" I was rather thinking about the quantity of cutscenes/sounds included into the game. But actually, even one disc could contain loads of cutscenes if the sound is streamed.