URC Demo (PCE CD racing game)

[OldRover]

I reckon it depends on the speed of transfer from the ACD RAM to VRAM, as well as the amount of "screen real estate" you want to allocate to the FMV.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I reckon it depends on the speed of transfer from the ACD RAM to VRAM, as well as the amount of "screen real estate" you want to allocate to the FMV.

full screen.  duh.

Great going though Charles, now I want fucking Sewer shark for the PCE.

crap.

[spenoza]

I reckon it depends on the speed of transfer from the ACD RAM to VRAM, as well as the amount of "screen real estate" you want to allocate to the FMV.

full screen.  duh.

Great going though Charles, now I want fucking Sewer shark for the PCE.

crap.

NOBODY wants Sewer Shark. You are clearly insane  ; )

[spenoza]

Maybe one day you will learn how to reply to peoples generalized posts and comments without making condescending personal attacks.  I doubt it though.  You've been at it for awhile and still haven't learned.  

You seem to do a lot of this, yourself. In fact, it is a defining attribute of most fora exchanges between any two individuals, but particularly in niche communities like this one. Yes, his post was extremely condescending, and if it were aimed at me it would have pissed me off, but so would this one.

So can BOTH of you remove the ad hominems (the obscured ones, too, Tom) and, if you're going to continue this discussion, create a new thread for it and go into specifics rather than insults? I would like to know more about the specific advantages of the different ASM languages and their differences, and a rational debate over whether one or the other is actually better, and not just different, would be not entirely inappropriate for this forum area.

[_Paul]

Because hey guess what I just scored a sweet C64 setup for 60$ and have been itching to do more stuff, yes note, more stuff, on the C64.  Where do you think I was coding BEFORE the PCE?  Hint: The PC and the C64[/li][/list]

I would be totally up for doing some C64 graphics

[Arkhan Asylum]

You seem to do a lot of this, yourself. In fact, it is a defining attribute of most fora exchanges between any two individuals, but particularly in niche communities like this one. Yes, his post was extremely condescending, and if it were aimed at me it would have pissed me off, but so would this one.

See, I don't recall ever taking generalized comments people make and turning it around on them in the form of some condescending personal attack.  If I have, it's not very often that I do it.  Yeah, I'll go for the throat when provoked or someones being a toolbag, but as obnoxious and rude as I am, I generally don't just start verbally slapping someone around, especially in an uncalled for trainwreck like Tom has done.   Its elitist coder ego at its worst, and something that plagues every single dev community.  There's a difference between joining in on an argument that has fired up, and creating one out of the blue for no particular reason other than to wave your e-dick around and act like you're so pro you're pushing electrons around inside the machine with your wang.

There's also a difference between debating the topic by doing point/counterpoint (examples, etc)... and debating the topic by basically saying the other persons stupid for not agreeing, followed by talking about how great you are at it, so your view is clearly more valid.  

So can BOTH of you remove the ad hominems (the obscured ones, too, Tom) and, if you're going to continue this discussion, create a new thread for it and go into specifics rather than insults? I would like to know more about the specific advantages of the different ASM languages and their differences, and a rational debate over whether one or the other is actually better, and not just different, would be not entirely inappropriate for this forum area.

Tom, rational debate?  lol you so crazy.

My problem is I hate the zero-page and working with it.  It's tedious and boring.  I don't like it.  I like the z80 and register usage there a lot more.  I find it easier and more fun to organize and do things.  Whoopdeedoo.  

I don't see any point in continuing the discussion really.  It will go one of two ways:

1) Tom will misread/fail to connect examples/disagree with something, and then say the other person (me) is wrong and stupid since he has issues with seeing things from other peoples viewpoints.  If you don't do it TomWay, you're wrong, absurd, and stupid.  Thats how it goes.
2) Tom will post a bunch of crap full of fragmented sentences and grammar disasters, and about 4 people will read the thread.  2 of those people will be me and Tom, one will be you, and one will be like necromancer or tatsujin, just to post a lulzpic. ;)


and, I want sewer shark.  Give it now.

as for C64 graphics.  maybe one day.  For now I am just using *gasp* a tracker on it.  Despite thinking trackers are retarded, I still use them and make music!  I DONT KNOW WHAT IM DOING IM INPROFICIENT AND STUPIDIDIDS OMG.

[Keranu]

I'm also all for Sewer Shark, dogmeat!

[spenoza]

Wow, what's all this unexpected love for Sewer Shark? Totally unexpected.

[Arkhan Asylum]

WTF is wrong with sewer shark?!

Game was fuckin sweet.  It still is. 

[OldRover]

My wife enjoyed it. That say something about it.

[grahf]

It would be cool to see some shitty FMV stuff on the PCE for sure.  The HUVideo stuff from Gulliver Boy was pretty cool, but could the PCE have done better?

[TurboXray]

It would be cool to see some shitty FMV stuff on the PCE for sure.  The HUVideo stuff from Gulliver Boy was pretty cool, but could the PCE have done better?

It would be nice to see something written from scratch, for a FMV demo for the PCE. I mean, just for the fact that nobody has really bothered to.

HuVideo stuff is pretty much maxed out as far as bandwidth goes. It uses custom CD read routines (bypassing the system card ones) that directly access the interface hardware, to get faster transfer rates. The transfer rate is ~122k (0x3000bytes per frame * 10 fps). I guess you could change the window size as long as it fits the 0x3000 byte limitation. Or lower the frame rate. What kind of stuff were you thinking? SegaCD has an extra processor for handling the cinepak codebook decompression and such. PCE wastes a good amount of time polling the status register for the next sector to read out (manually). Not really a lot you can do there.

[touko]

It would be nice to see something written from scratch, for a FMV demo for the PCE. I mean, just for the fact that nobody has really bothered to.

OOOh, just ask ..

But it works with AC ..

[Nazi NecroPhile]

OOOh, just ask ..

But it works with AC ..

That's pretty neato!  Is it using only the AC memory or is it streaming at the same time?  What's the frame rate, color depth, and resolution?

[touko]

Resolution is low, like frame rate, because all is stored on AC, and directly loaded in it before (no streaming) ..
Color depth is standard 16 colors .

I don't know exact specs, but this demo was made by Orion_ , the URC creator.

[CrackTiger]

It would be cool to see some shitty FMV stuff on the PCE for sure.  The HUVideo stuff from Gulliver Boy was pretty cool, but could the PCE have done better?

John Madden does full screen HuVideo.

[TurboXray]

Maybe one day you will learn how to reply to peoples generalized posts and comments without making condescending personal attacks.

You know what? I apologize.

 My initial post wasn't specifically meant to be condescending. But we have history and I should have known better. Things end up degrading into personal/snide remarks between us, and that wasn't my original intention. I too don't back down when I interpret something as snide or personal attack. So with that, I think I'll just keep any communications between us as nill-to-fairly light.



 Hey touko, I did see that demo. Though I was referring to streaming from the CD. Getting the most bandwidth while still keeping things in sync and without hickup (pauses and such). It's definitely not easy. Cool to see Orion_ delving into AC stuff.

John Madden does full screen HuVideo.

They scale the vertical res by 2 using an H-int routine, in realtime. So that gives it the full visual frame effect. It's been a while but IIRC, there's no audio and the frame rate is lower in that opening. But I don't remember what the packet size was for the frame. What I thought was cool in that game, is that they have different videos with different frame rate. A few of the small ones were 30fps

 PowerGolf 2 has some cool FMV. I don't remember if it's huvideo or not, but the opening video is 15fps.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Maybe one day you will learn how to reply to peoples generalized posts and comments without making condescending personal attacks.

You know what? I apologize.

 My initial post wasn't specifically meant to be condescending. But we have history and I should have known better. Things end up degrading into personal/snide remarks between us, and that wasn't my original intention. I too don't back down when I interpret something as snide or personal attack. So with that, I think I'll just keep any communications between us as nill-to-fairly light

Good.  Worry about getting on the personal offensive when someone *actually* insults *you*.  Not when they make comments at noone in particular.  ;)


Now, who is porting sewer shark.   

[CrackTiger]

John Madden does full screen HuVideo.

They scale the vertical res by 2 using an H-int routine, in realtime. So that gives it the full visual frame effect. It's been a while but IIRC, there's no audio and the frame rate is lower in that opening. But I don't remember what the packet size was for the frame. What I thought was cool in that game, is that they have different videos with different frame rate. A few of the small ones were 30fps

The System Card 3.0 warning screen is pretty smooth from what I remember.



That simple gif has a ton of animation removed. I think that the warning video is silent, but the full screen(ish?) ending fmv has music of some sort.

What's cool about JMDCDF is that it has a variety of different forms of fmv and it's easy enough to jump in and get to some without major gameplay.

I remember some of the clips looking silky smooth. I wouldn't have guessed today that frame rates got that high though.

[Mathius]

I thought HuVideo was strictly a Hu Card thing.

Edit: Nevermind. A fist bearing a Duomozov ring came out of my monitor and poked some sense into my eyes.

[TurboXray]

I thought HuVideo was strictly a Hu Card thing.

Edit: Nevermind. A fist bearing a Duomozov ring came out of my monitor and poked some sense into my eyes.

Funny you mention that. I'm currently working on a little demo right now (writing the PC side compression code/utility for the video), for the hucard. It's an animation/video demo. It's nothing special; it's more of a 'me too' type of thing. Anyway, it won't be huvideo but it will be FMV on a hucard if that counts for anything

[Mathius]

I thought HuVideo was strictly a Hu Card thing.

Edit: Nevermind. A fist bearing a Duomozov ring came out of my monitor and poked some sense into my eyes.

Funny you mention that. I'm currently working on a little demo right now (writing the PC side compression code/utility for the video), for the hucard. It's an animation/video demo. It's nothing special; it's more of a 'me too' type of thing. Anyway, it won't be huvideo but it will be FMV on a hucard if that counts for anything

I'd be interested in seeing that.

[Arkhan Asylum]

it better be sewer shark or it doesn't count.

[grahf]

That'll be cool to see Bonknuts.


As far as CD stuff goes, I think in order to qualify as Shitty FMV (tm), it has to be streaming off of the disk.

[CrackTiger]

That'll be cool to see Bonknuts.


As far as CD stuff goes, I think in order to qualify as Shitty FMV (tm), it has to be streaming off of the disk.

So, Sonic 3D Blast doesn't count?

[Mathius]

That'll be cool to see Bonknuts.


As far as CD stuff goes, I think in order to qualify as Shitty FMV (tm), it has to be streaming off of the disk.

So, Sonic 3D Blast doesn't count?

I always forget about that game! My jaw dropped the first time I saw the intro, but nearly committed suicide when I tried to actually play the game.

[Keranu]

That'll be cool to see Bonknuts.


As far as CD stuff goes, I think in order to qualify as Shitty FMV (tm), it has to be streaming off of the disk.

So, Sonic 3D Blast doesn't count?

I always forget about that game! My jaw dropped the first time I saw the intro, but nearly committed suicide when I tried to actually play the game.

HAHA same here! Except I actually did kinda like the game.

[grahf]

That'll be cool to see Bonknuts.


As far as CD stuff goes, I think in order to qualify as Shitty FMV (tm), it has to be streaming off of the disk.

So, Sonic 3D Blast doesn't count?

Well I was thinking along the lines of no loading time, so technically it does qualify as Shitty FMV (tm) in my book.

[esteban]

STATUS: I still want to see URC released as a full game. I'm just sayin'.