My Console is better than your Console, let the flame war begin (again)

[HercTNT]

I'm so tired of this "My console X destroys your console Y because it has better: graphics, sound, music et al.". True gamers understand that most systems have good games. When you

seclude yourself from a console due to ridiculous fanboyism, you miss out on..well..good games!  Lets go over some of the talking points shall we.

The Sega Genesis has bland colors and therefore bad graphics: The Genesis has many brightly colored games with outstanding graphics!  Try playing a few before you make such statements,
    
     like....Crusader of centy, Monster World 4, Ranger x, Shining Force 1 and 2 and so many others.    

The Snes has muddy sound, the Genesis is so much better: Here's a hot one! Sound quality is subjective and audiophiles can be insanely stubborn. While the Genesis does produce excellent

     sound, anyone who thinks the Snes is a dud is nuts!  Donkey Kong Country, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy 6, Super Mario World, to name a few have incredible sound!

The Turbografx is only an 8-bit machine and simply does not stack up to the Genesis or the Snes:  The only people that could possible make a statement like this can't have ever played

     one! Gates of Thunder, Lords of Thunder, Sapphire, Castlevania X, and Spriggan for example are not gonna play on your typical 8bit.

My Machine is blasted and processed and is really 156 super bits, yours can't even make a ham sandwich:  This is one of my favorites. We all get a long lecture from Uber techs as to why

     there console is hot and yours is not. Many arguments break down into "What-ifs" that never actually made it into any commercial games.  Folks, hardware does matter to a point, after

     that, kick as programmers rule the day!

[Ji-L87]

Yeah, I don't really get those. And people seem to forget it's not all in performance either. Well, some is, but for example, the debate between Xbox 360 and PS3 should really go deeper then it does
I have the most games for the 360 and it's the system where I play online the most. This is a combination of all of my online-playing friends having one, microphones and other necessary accessories can be gotten cheap by 3rd party and when it comes to multi platform games the 360 usually does perform rather well.

On the other hand, I really like the PS3's menu system, the fact that I don't need to buy an adapter cable to get digital sound output, that I can change the harddrive to another one should I please and Sony won't come to my house with an angry letter. Also, it's friggin region free and I can boot it up without being forced to log in to my profile.
Well, there are more differences as well such as you need a subscription to play online on the Xbox whereas the PS3 is free. But I've found that you actually seem to get a better online experience for that money, oh and group chat.

So, these two consoles represents two very different approaches and they speak to different people, and these people will never be able to get along Unless they buy both.

[Mishran]

So, these two consoles represents two very different approaches and they speak to different people, and these people will never be able to get along Unless they buy both.

I own both 360 and PS3, but they sit around collecting dust. I play my Turbo/PCE the most, when I find the time. Those two just don't compare.

[Tatsujin]

But it's a fact, the PCE is better than the MD/Genesis and SFC/SNES.

[Opethian]

of the 3 major consoles on the 16bit era I would venture to say that the SFC did not age well.

[Tatsujin]

true!

[HercTNT]

Did not age well how? In terms of graphics? In terms of sound? In terms of the look of the console itself?  All three of these game systems are still being played by millions as virtual games on the DS, Ipad, Wii, etc... Snes\SFC games have been remade for damn near every console over the last 10 years and are still selling millions. Is this your idea of not aging well?  These things are subjective and far from fact. 

Now, the Pc-engine duo-r being the sexiest console on the planet, thats a fact

[PunkCryborg]

SNES music makes me want to barf

[Opethian]

Herc: All of the above sorry. Dont get me wrong there are some sfc games that look and sound amazing but none that a) I care to own or b) dont already own on some other system.

I own a handful of MD games that were never ported to other systems and I own more PCE games than any other system (PS2 is a close 2nd). SFC just falls flat in my book.

[OldRover]

The games make all the difference. End of story.

[PCEngineHell]

I ignored the Snes during most of the 90's except when certain titles were released for it. For the past few months now I have been going back and playing stuff I did not play prior, and I feel it has indeed held up well. I mean, its not one of those things either where you just have to pick the cream of the crop titles either, but seriously of all the titles I own, other then a select few there isn't too many that fail to impress me on some level. The stuff I have right now is:
Hyperzone (Visually pretty, but meh not very fun)
Super Metroid (Played though this when it originally came out, will always be a awesome title)
Super Smash TV (Awesome mindless fun, and its the best looking and sounding 16 bit port of the game)
Batman Returns (Awesome graphics,awesome soundtrack, and easily one of the best beat'em ups on the system)
Phalanx (Pretty solid graphics and the music is decent, but the sound fx are meh, barely above average shooter)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (People always rag on this port because the Saturn and PS1 ports are better, but lets face it, its no worse a port then Super SF 2 was on Snes, and no one was ragging on that when Super SF2 Turbo was released on 3DO. The graphics and animation are good for a Snes title,and the game controls fine. Its worse aspect is the music really, as it sounds a bit tiny)
Super Fire Pro Wrestling X ( Its Super fucking Fire Pro Wrestling X, it has Big Van Vader and Sabu in it, along with most anyone else that mattered in the mid 90's, and its worlds better then all the prior Fire Pro titles)
F-Zero (Still holds up well. Easy controls and  a fast framerate, and the visuals and music work extremely well)
GunForce (Irems early Metal Slug effort. as a arcade port its solid. As a original game, its not too bad, but nothing mind blowing)
Cybernator (Awesome game on all counts, nothing else needs to be said)
Super Mario World (Who doesn't fucking like this game?)
Arkanoid (Simple visuals but great fun)
Pilot Wings (Much like F-Zero, the game just has a certain appeal and holds up well)
Street Fighter 2 (Great port over all)
Fatal Fury 1 (Visuals ported over well, as did the voices. music is obviously not as good as the Neo. ok fighter, not the greatest, not the worst, Neo or otherwise)
Fatal Fury Special (Probably one of the best arcade ports on the system for what the kept in versus what they left out. As a fighter in general its top notch)
Pilot Wings (Much like F-Zero, the game just has a certain appeal and holds up well)
Street Fighter 2 Turbo (Great port over all)
Legend of Zelda Link to the Past (Often imitated but never duplicated)
Art of Fighting (For what they were able to keep in the game ported over well, but honestly the game should have used a larger cart size then 16meg. If they would have went with even 20 to 24 or something the game would have been a much better port for it)
Spiderman and Xmen Arcades Revenge (It sounds like shit so I haven't even bothered to try it)
Super Castlevania 4 ( Simply a classic. Great graphics, music, gameplay. Nothing bad to be said about it)
Chuck Rock (Not a fan of this one, though I know others adore it)
Battle Blaze (Dont know wtf Sammy was thinking here,barely average title)
World Heroes 1 (Excellent port. Most of the Neo game was kept in. Amazing considering the game is a 16 meg port.Makes me think Sunsoft should have handled all the Neo to Snes ports)
Super Chase HQ (Rather fun game and it looks good over all)
Mega Man X (Mega Man on roids)
Final Fight (Not going to judge this by the US release, as its censored. The SFC release is the one I own, and in general its a great port, regardless of what is missing. Considering the time it was released, it couldn't have been easy to do.)
Final Fight 2 (SFC version also is uncensored so thats the one I own. Good game over all, but I like FF1 more.)
Front Mission Gun Hazard (Fucking awesome game)
Magic Sword (As with Final Fight, a very ambitious port done early in the systems life. Over all its solid and still fun to play. If you're going to buy it, grab the SFC version for the better cover art.)
Dragon Ball Z Super Budoten 3 (Decent 1 vs 2 player fighter.Nothing special or anything though.)
Gradius 3 (Will always love the Snes port. Like it a lot more then the original arcade release. Great graphics,music, and sound fx. Top notch control. Some people bitch about the slowdown, its not really that big a deal.
Super R-Type (Basically what I said about Gradius 3 applies to this one also.)
Darius Twin (It's a Darius title. Its par for the course where that is concerned. Over all it's one of the better Snes shooters.)
Rival Turf (Decent beat'em up over all. Good start to a decent series of games on Snes/SFC.)

My son has a Snes also and a few games I gave him like Super Mario All Stars, Killer Instinct and others, and he has access to my stuff. Given he wasn't alive during the Snes heyday,or even old enough to game during the end of the Snes lifespan, he is pretty impressed by the system. Thats usually a good sign that a system has stood the test of time.

[HercTNT]

Opethian, dont need to apologize to me. I put this in fighting street on purpose for the sake of debate. You and punkic and everyone else are entitled to your opinions. I just have to know. Have either of you played Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Lufia 2, Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean, Donkey Kong Country, Super Castlevania 4, Legend of Zelda Link to the past, Super Metroid, Super Mario Kart?  If so, even if you guys can't find one game in there you like (if you can't, i doubt you understand the concept of what quantifies as good games), then atleast you can appreciate the musical score of atleast a few of them. Have you even listened to them. You see, the difference is, i like all the systems and understand the Gems they have. I'm not ass-hat enough to limit myself to just one or the other because i want to fit in with a select group. Fanboyism is hilarious when you think about all the good stuff so called gamers miss out on due to ignorance. In the last two months I have finished Three turbo games (two cd, one hucard), two gameboy advance games, one snes game, one genesis game, three pc games, and i'm working on a sega master system game.

[nectarsis]

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[PunkCryborg]

I knew someone would post that

[Arkhan Asylum]

I just play them all.  They all impress me. 

I like the SNES music.

This is some good shit.

[Opethian]

Opethian, dont need to apologize to me. I put this in fighting street on purpose for the sake of debate. You and punkic and everyone else are entitled to your opinions. I just have to know. Have either of you played Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Lufia 2, Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean, Donkey Kong Country, Super Castlevania 4, Legend of Zelda Link to the past, Super Metroid, Super Mario Kart?  If so, even if you guys can't find one game in there you like (if you can't, i doubt you understand the concept of what quantifies as good games), then atleast you can appreciate the musical score of atleast a few of them. Have you even listened to them. You see, the difference is, i like all the systems and understand the Gems they have. I'm not ass-hat enough to limit myself to just one or the other because i want to fit in with a select group. Fanboyism is hilarious when you think about all the good stuff so called gamers miss out on due to ignorance. In the last two months I have finished Three turbo games (two cd, one hucard), two gameboy advance games, one snes game, one genesis game, three pc games, and i'm working on a sega master system game. 

Yes I played most those games when they were new and I had time to play games all day. Did I like them enough to own them 20 years later? I dont have the time to run through all those RPGs again. I like chooter games these days and SNES has the fewest of the 3 (PCE/MD/SFC). So thats why SFC falls flat to me. PCE has the most exclusive next to Megadrive. SFC lol all I can name off the top of my head is Axelay and Biometal.

[grimm]

Audo! Video! 3DO!

[HercTNT]

So in short opethian, you admit to being subjective due to a shooter preference. Thats perfectly fine if thats what you prefer to play. But it has jack squat to do with the abilities of the system. the snes has plenty of good shooters, you gotta play the jap ones as well

[nectarsis]

So in short opethian, you admit to being subjective due to a shooter preference. Thats perfectly fine if thats what you prefer to play. But it has jack squat to do with the abilities of the system. the snes has plenty of good shooters, you gotta play the jap ones as well

Plenty of good slowdown as well ;)   Abilities =/= why someone should like a system....those abilities are only one of MANY things that make a game great.

[PunkCryborg]

Herc"SNES LOVER"TNT

[PunkCryborg]

We all know all those "systems" are pure shit compared to the mighty CDi

[Opethian]

who cares about ability show me the games. ok I seen the games what games could still captivate me in my 30s? Are you some SFC messiah? Do you think SFC is the best of the 3 16bit era consoles? Looks like you can be wowed by a DSP chip. I was naming the japanese games lol most of the SFC games are plagued with slowdown as nectaris said. Why did they not port Tatsujin to the SNES? Genny got it, PCE got it, but not SFC? oh thats right it probably cant handle the game and thats probably why. I mean even Raiden was ported to every console that mattered and the SFC is byfar the worst port.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

who cares about ability show me the games. ok I seen the games what games could still captivate me in my 30s? Are you some SFC messiah? Do you think SFC is the best of the 3 16bit era consoles? Looks like you can be wowed by a DSP chip. I was naming the japanese games lol most of the SFC games are plagued with slowdown as nectaris said. Why did they not port Tatsujin to the SNES? Genny got it, PCE got it, but not SFC? oh thats right it probably cant handle the game and thats probably why. I mean even Raiden was ported to every console that mattered and the SFC is byfar the worst port.

No, but I'm the fucking SNES messiah and you cannot deny Axelay is better than 90% of the shooties on the PCE. It's an amazing game and still looks and sounds amazing today!

So there, one game.   HA!!

fuckers

[Tatsujin]

lol, SNESSY Raiden truly is some really bad shit. I coulndn't believe my eyes, when I frist played it.

But it's a fact that the SFC/SNES isn't hardcore enuff to compete against the PCE. everything is way too softened on it. and I mean that in a very literally way.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Firepower 2000 is pretty balls tough.

[roflmao]

SNES/SFC is awesome.  IMO, it's second only to the TG16/PCE.

Axelay is awesome.

But nine times out of ten I'd rather play any of the Soldier games on the TG/PCE.

There are a ton of really awesome SNES/SFC games. There are a ton of awesome Genesis/MD games.  Heck, there are even a ton of awesome NES and SMS games.

They are all wicked cool.  NEC is better, but they are all still awesome.

[HercTNT]

Opethian, i did show you the games, i listed quite a few, as did professor. If you were reading my posts you would see that i love all systems, i just don't get your hate for the snes. Writing off an entire games system that has thousands of games is a classic symptom of extreme fanboyism. Its ok, its your business. Besides, i'm just stirring up debate because this is fighting street. At the end of the day what i say means squat so dont take it to personally.

Punkic, for fighting street that was a really lame.  The least you could do is tell me that i'm lower than whale dung on the bottom of the ocean. And don't laugh, i used to own a cdi.............."sniffle" those were the days.....

[Tatsujin]

lol, just waiting for the arrive of SuperDeadites SNES hate. Then it goes real round here.

[PunkCryborg]

Punkic, for fighting street that was a really lame.  The least you could do is tell me that i'm lower than whale dung on the bottom of the ocean. And don't laugh, i used to own a cdi.............."sniffle" those were the days.....

pshhhh used to own just one? I own 2

p.s. fuck you

is that better?

[HercTNT]

Yea alittle. I bought my cdi mistaking it for a game system. In that category they did not do so well, atleast in my opinion. I understand they played movies really well before dvd was available. You had to buy the addon mpeg cartridge though and they were really expensive. What do you use your cdi for out of curiosity?

[PunkCryborg]

i use the 910 as a base to stack other useless shit on top. I jsut got the video cart for the 450 and i intend to play BurnCycle one day on it

[nectarsis]

What do you use your cdi for out of curiosity?

Beating Snerds 

[HercTNT]

LOL, okay that works.

[Tatsujin]

What do you use your cdi for out of curiosity?

Beating Snerds 

[PCEngineHell]

Why did they not port Tatsujin to the SNES? Genny got it, PCE got it, but not SFC? oh thats right it probably cant handle the game and thats probably why. I mean even Raiden was ported to every console that mattered and the SFC is byfar the worst port.

Tatsujin wha? SNes/SFC has:
Darius Twin
Choujikuu Yousai Macross - Scrambled Valkyrie
Gradius III
Super Nova
R-Type III: The Third Lightning
Super R-type
Sonic Wings
Super Aleste
U.N. Squadron
Marchen Adventure Cotton 100%
Gokujou Parodius
Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius


And just to rub it in a little more, neither PCE or Genesis has fucking Contra 3, Super Castlevania 4, Super Metroid, Super Ghouls'n Ghosts, Actraiser 1 and 2, or Hagane either. Slowdown is on all the systems. Get over it. Even the fucking NeoGeo has slowdown. All the systems have exclusive titles making them special. No system really totally one upped the other if you take both the Japanese and US library into consideration, except maybe if you take the action/run and gun and beat'em up side of things into account. Then the PCE falls flat on its face. It seriously has nothing that can really stand up to the likes of Contra 3, Shinobi 3, Gunstar Heroes, Cybernator, Metal Warriors, Mega Man X series, etc so it just gets curb stomped (yeah, keep holdin yer breath for that one Mindrec Contra wannabe, like I said 5 years ago, it aint gonna happen).

Beat'em ups it barely pulls it off with Riot Zone, Double Dragon 2, River City Ransom, Ane-San, and Vigilante. Nothing on it can really compare though to Streets of Rage 2-3, Double Dragon 1, Batman Returns, TMNT Turtles in Time, The Combatribes, Super Double Dragon, Final Fight 1-3, Splatterhouse 3, Rushing Beat Ran & Shura. PCE is a awesome system, but it just doesn't do well in those two areas, where as the Genesis and Snes tend to battle it out with each other. All the systems have great RPG's, fighters, platformer/adventure titles, and shooters.

[Tatsujin]

neither das SNES or MD have an Akumajo Dracula X - chi no rondo, which kicks any 8-/16bit released castlevanias arses with a landslide.

and for any kind of shooters, pce is the definite 8-/16bit shooter king. comparing it to a whimpy snesy alone is ridiculous to no end.

even I appreciate shooters like axelay (wonderful grafx), super aleste (good action), scamble valkyre (allround a very good shewty), they have no bread against the kings on the pce like GoT, WoT, Spapphire, Spriggan, Nexzr, Star Parodier etc.

[Opethian]

Darius Twin <simply terrible Lets port a Darisu game but cut out all the braching paths to make it fit on a SFC cart! brilliant!

Choujikuu Yousai Macross - Scrambled Valkyrie < I have not played this one but I'll check it out. Is it any better than Macross 2036 on PCE?

Gradius III <baby mode as compared to the arcade.

Super Nova < Darius Force? Looks like an exclusive SFC release! Havent played it yet. Im not the biggest Darius fan though

R-Type III: The Third Lightning <another SFC exclusive doesnt really fit in with the other R-Type games. Pulstar should be considered R-Type III

Super R-type <They took some of R-type II and basterized the game. More slowdown than the arcade sadly

Sonic Wings < only system this was ever ported on? It is not bad

Super Aleste <This game is an abomination. Both Spriggan and MUSHA Aleste run circles around this game. Sorry Compile I know this was probably the best they could do with the hardware.

U.N. Squadron <not a bad port for a mediocre capcom shooter

Marchen Adventure Cotton 100% <another arranged for SFC due to limitations

Gokujou Parodius
Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius <I guess until the saturn/ps1 ports this was the only way to play them. They are better than nothing I suppose

I still have no use for this system.

[PunkCryborg]

[Tatsujin]

hahaha, finally a good use of those bricks

[PunkCryborg]

SNES- the only system you want to pee on

[HercTNT]

Well, you guys win. I have finally seen the light. I took my sega genesis and my super nes and threw them into a steel cage. Neither system actually moved or anything, but i'm sure if they did, the Genny would have kicked the snes's ass. Using that logic it's pretty obvious the snes has become irrelevant.  I would have thrown my turbo into the cage with them, but its on steroids and would have been DQ'd.  Now if you will excuse me, a friend of mine bought me neutopia yesterday, so i'm gonna go play my turbo.

[Opethian]

Come on herc dont give up so easily! you asked for this

[HercTNT]

LOL, oh i'm not giving up, i just suck at photoshopping and that picture punkic posted is epic.   

[Opethian]

best use of EA sports titles!

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Well, you guys win. I have finally seen the light. I took my sega genesis and my super nes and threw them into a steel cage. Neither system actually moved or anything, but i'm sure if they did, the Genny would have kicked the snes's ass. Using that logic it's pretty obvious the snes has become irrelevant.  I would have thrown my turbo into the cage with them, but its on steroids and would have been DQ'd.  Now if you will excuse me, a friend of mine bought me neutopia yesterday, so i'm gonna go play my turbo.

In a steel cage SNES would crush Genny hands down!  What you think Gunstar Heroes and Phantasy Star II could survive an asswhooping from the likes of Peace Keepers and Soul Blazer?

[HercTNT]

Yea well, no one can argue with that. If you guys had one really solid leg to stand on when it comes to bashing the snes, it would be those fucking sports games. I used to play the real talk baseball on the genny and thought it was pretty damn good.

Joshua, i love the snes, but gunstar heroes crushes both those games

[PCEngineHell]

neither das SNES or MD have an Akumajo Dracula X - chi no rondo, which kicks any 8-/16bit released castlevanias arses with a landslide.

and for any kind of shooters, pce is the definite 8-/16bit shooter king. comparing it to a whimpy snesy alone is ridiculous to no end.

even I appreciate shooters like axelay (wonderful grafx), super aleste (good action), scamble valkyre (allround a very good shewty), they have no bread against the kings on the pce like GoT, WoT, Spapphire, Spriggan, Nexzr, Star Parodier etc.

It speaks volumes when it ends up you feel you have to resort to cd-titles instead of hu-cards to offer up a comparison, but in the end other then Winds of Thunder, Spriggan, and Nexzr, the others are not amazing shooters you listed there. Gate of Thunder is good but not amazing. Sapphire is the prettiest dull shooter I have ever played through. Star Parodier is just slightly above average. The Hu-card side of things shouldn't be overlooked so I am gonna give you some freebees. Override, Gradius, Salamander, Aeroblasters, Raiden, Super Star Soldier, Soldier Blade etc, any one of those dances circles around dull fucking Sapphire.

Dracula X is definitely a great game, but its not the type of Castlevania I like really as much. The games style changed from the original Haunted Castle/Castlevania/Castlevania 4/Devil's Castle Dracula gameplay, and those are the ones I prefer to play any day of the week over Dracula X, SOTN, or even Bloodlines. Oh and remind me to never ask Opethian for game recommendations. Guy clearly has no taste and just a ton of blind bias lol.

[Tatsujin]

LOLOK

[Tatsujin]

btw. GoT = best shwety on plened earth and beyond of it

[Opethian]

How could you name off Hucard shooters and not mention PC Denjin or Coryoon? ace hueycardo games!!