Turbo Everdrive PC Engine / Turbografx 16 Flash Card Nearing Release

SeymorOnion · 08/07/2012, 11:53 AM

Quote from: Drakon

Oh wow there really are four extremely tiny holes I didn't even notice that. The bottom ane sides of it are flush against the case. On mine I used a small amount of hot glue since with epoxy there's no going back.

Bold Mine.

Good idea, especially if you want to add a USB Port to it (and/or that 10-pin header thing in the top middle) in the future.

Are there any traces on the back side of the card, near the four holes, that a screw head could damage?

Also, is there any word on when they'll be back in stock?

Drakon · 08/07/2012, 12:39 PM

There's traces on the bottom but not many. I'm at work right now so I can't check if they're near the holes. There's no space for anything to stick out the bottom so screwing upwards from the bottom would be the best solution. You'd need very teeny screws and a teeny screwdriver but atleast he was nice enough to include holes in the pcb. I didn't use the holes I just secured the front and side edges to seal it as much as possible from liquids.

MottZilla · 08/07/2012, 01:33 PM

I don't get why everyone is so paranoid and wanting to encase the thing. Hold it from the edges like you do a CD. Put some electrical tape over the JTAG port if you are worried and use that as your point to pull it out of the system.

SeymorOnion · 08/07/2012, 01:50 PM

Quote from: MottZilla on 08/07/2012, 01:33 PMI don't get why everyone is so paranoid and wanting to encase the thing. Hold it from the edges like you do a CD. Put some electrical tape over the JTAG port if you are worried and use that as your point to pull it out of the system.

1. MSRP $80.
2. Uncertainty about long-term availability.
3. Crazy/careless siblings or kids.
4. Modders gonna mod.

Most people will just leave it in the console 99% of the time, since you can load some of the system card images onto it.

IIRC, you're limited to only loading sys card images that don't require ram chips be on the TED, so core system users can't use the last 2 (I think?), but duo users can only not use the ACD image.
I can't recall if a rom of that weird third party system card (game express?) can be used or not.

MottZilla · 08/08/2012, 12:12 AM

Uncertainty? Barring a personal tragedy, KRIKzz will likely be making the Turbo ED for quite some time. $80? There are PCE CDs and HuCards that are quite pricey too so that doesn't seem like a stand out reason. Point 3 seems reasonable if you have to deal with idiots messing with your stuff. Point 4, you just mean they do it to do something? I guess why not, but I don't think the card is particularly vulnerable.

And if you have a DUO and don't need to play an Arcade CD-ROM, there is no need to remove the Turbo ED unless you are going to play an actual HuCard. System Card 3.0 and also the Games Express System Card both work fine with it. You are right though that if you don't have a Super CD-ROM or DUO then you apparently can't use the Turbo ED while playing Super CD games.

TR0N · 08/08/2012, 01:43 AM

unleadlogic has done a review of the TG16 everdrive recently.

SeymorOnion · 08/08/2012, 02:05 AM

Thanks for the link!
My favorite part is at the 1:32 /1:33 mark. O:)

But seriously, I'll re-watch it later today, when I have access to a PC with speakers, so I can hear what's being said.

Bernie · 08/08/2012, 02:24 AM

Yeah, I am going to be getting one of these...soon as they are back in stock....

SeymorOnion · 08/08/2012, 02:38 AM

I'm not sure if this had been asked before, but...

If someone were to make a cheat device homebrew rom, sort of like an Action Replay, do you think it could work on the TED, with the Game ROMS on the micro sd card, without any rewriting of it's firmware, or is a cheat device already programmed into it?
Has Krizz said anything about integrating Cheat-Code-Capabilities in a possible future revision of the TED?

Quote from: Bernie on 08/08/2012, 02:24 AMYeah, I am going to be getting one of these...soon as they are back in stock....

I'm strongly considering doing the same. I really miss all of the games I sold, and my Duo.
The TED will be really convenient, allowing me to keep the games I'm gonna reacquire in the future, safely tucked away in storage.

meka · 08/08/2012, 02:57 AM

I've already got the Neo Flash Cart, I was tempted to buy one, but I'll wait until stoneagegamer comes out with the deluxe version.

meka · 08/08/2012, 01:44 PM

There's a review of the turbo everdrive:

Bernie · 08/08/2012, 04:36 PM

Quote from: meka on 08/08/2012, 01:44 PMThere's a review of the turbo everdrive:

Yeah....it was just posted a few posts back....

TR0N · 08/09/2012, 02:22 AM

Quote from: meka on 08/08/2012, 01:44 PMThere's a review of the turbo everdrive:

I just that posted it on the last page silly shesh !!!

Drakon · 08/09/2012, 05:53 AM

Completely random gameplay footage ftw:

meka · 08/09/2012, 10:35 AM

Yes Bernie let me know lol, more footage of the Turbo Everdrive in action:

Turbo Everdrive PC Engine/Turbografx Flashcart Test by https://www.youtube.com/c/pheedbaq

It looks like that it runs a whole lot better than the team neo one that I have.

meka · 08/09/2012, 10:38 AM

I tried retrogate and they are all out of stock, I asked if he was going to in the future have a cover for it and he said that it would be unlikely

wilykat · 08/09/2012, 05:43 PM

I am planning to get one from Stone Age for the nice cover and all. I was wondering, would the CD system card work? I'd like to have 1.0 to play Altered Beast and 3.0 for other games.

PS why is Altered Beast unable to work on newer cards? Someone at NEC used illegal opcode that was removed?

Drakon · 08/09/2012, 07:01 PM

I got the cd system bios to run but I don't have an actual cd system to test if it's running right.

MottZilla · 08/09/2012, 10:49 PM

The CD System Bios works as long as you play only regular CD-ROM games if you have a regular CD-ROM but if you have a Super CDROM (includes the DUO) it will also work with Super CD-ROM games. The reason is that the Turbo EverDrive does not contain the required RAM like a real system card. But if you have a Super CD-ROM the memory is already present and seems to work fine with a flashed BIOS rom running.

NightWolve · 08/11/2012, 02:46 AM

Quote from: meka on 08/09/2012, 10:35 AMYes Bernie let me know lol, more footage of the Turbo Everdrive in action:
Turbo Everdrive PC Engine/Turbografx Flashcart Test by https://www.youtube.com/c/pheedbaq

It looks like that it runs a whole lot better than the team neo one that I have.

Cool, that answered my question about how firmware updates would work. This guy Krik, what an awesome electrical and software engineer! To have made one flashcart for a system and have that feather in your cap would be impressive enough, but to go as far as he has with all the systems that he's made them for...just wow! I'm gonna be able to order one next couple of days if it's in stock.

Drakon · 08/11/2012, 05:54 AM

It's a great piece of hardware I've been using it for a while with zero issues. I built a cover for mine and relocated the reset switch on top of the cover and it's still running great.

SeymorOnion · 08/11/2012, 09:20 AM

Stone Age Gamer's Deluxe Edition TED:

Someone posted this image, the other day, at http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?31764-PCE-TG16-HuCard-Everdrive&p=603306&viewfull=1#post603306

Man, it looks sweet.

Chuplayer · 08/11/2012, 09:27 AM

That is sweet. I'll definitely be waiting for it.

Drakon · 08/11/2012, 09:27 AM

Looks great but really you shouldn't put anything on the bottom or sides. Even the pin half of the top you won't have space I couldn't even fit a single layer of electrical tape in all these spots. If you do manage to get it in that way you'll likely bend all the slot pins and regular hucards won't contact very well.

MottZilla · 08/11/2012, 02:04 PM

I agree, KRIKzz did not design the board to have any type of covering on it. By changing the thickness you could be doing damage to the HuCard Slot. And we don't exactly have a source for new ones for now. So any difference in thickness had better be very minor. Which I suppose that may be possible.

CGQuarterly · 08/11/2012, 03:11 PM

After receiving my TE, I have absolutely no qualms about the fact that it's a bare board. And I agree about not covering the bottom, as it will change the insertion angle.

Chris

Chuplayer · 08/11/2012, 03:35 PM

Well, crap. I guess I'm not getting one with the cover, then.

Duo_R · 08/11/2012, 04:53 PM

got mine in the mail, anyone notice how thick the board is?

djcouchycouch · 08/11/2012, 07:39 PM

This isn't really a fully formed idea, but would it be possible to create a kind of adapter that would connect to the back of the TG16, take a USB key or SDCard and simulate a CD-Rom drive? And use the Turbo Everdrive for your CD system card?

Drakon · 08/11/2012, 09:26 PM

Quote from: djcouchycouch on 08/11/2012, 07:39 PMThis isn't really a fully formed idea, but would it be possible to create a kind of adapter that would connect to the back of the TG16, take a USB key or SDCard and simulate a CD-Rom drive? And use the Turbo Everdrive for your CD system card?

I don't know if the fpga on the turbo everdrive is powerful enough to simulate the extra ram found in the cd system cards. And probably krikzz is the only person capable of knowing how to program the OS for how it's used. And yes I'm sure you could build something that plugs into the back and uses fpga to simulate the cd drive, but nobody has bothered yet and it takes a good amount of skill to build something like that.

Anyway I relocated the reset switch on my turbo everdrive on top of my custom case:

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I know my case is very rough looking but it's absolutely perfect in terms of functionality. I love having all the exposed hardware covered up nicely.

roflmao · 08/11/2012, 09:37 PM

That's pretty sweet, Drakon. Man, I want one of those.

Drakon · 08/11/2012, 09:41 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/11/2012, 09:37 PMThat's pretty sweet, Drakon. Man, I want one of those.

Thanks, obviously this's just something I quickly threw together for the sake of being able to play it and not worry about it getting somehow fried. This's more like a prototype of how someone should make cases for them. Really all you need to do is get a thick piece of clear (or whatever colour) plastic cut the same way I cut it (but with a machine doing it for extra precision). Then you just carefully lightly hot glue the edges making sure that there's no extra glue on the sides so it still fits nicely. And if the plastic you use is thin enough you wouldn't even need to relocate the reset button but I used a really thick piece for extra strength. I started out with thin cheap plastic and it broke too easily which is obviously no good.

Mishran · 08/11/2012, 10:22 PM

Would it be possible to put a thin coat on the sensitive part of the board with a non-conductive material like a lacquer, hot glue, etc? Just a thought...

HercTNT · 08/11/2012, 10:24 PM

they make some kind of spray for that. i honestly can't think of the stuff. maybe someone can post a link if they knwo what i'm referring to

Drakon · 08/11/2012, 10:31 PM

Just for the sake of being able to repair the pcb I put on a cover that's removable without damaging the pcb. It's alway good to be able to remove a cover.

MottZilla · 08/11/2012, 10:38 PM

Quote from: Drakon on 08/11/2012, 09:26 PM
Quote from: djcouchycouch on 08/11/2012, 07:39 PMThis isn't really a fully formed idea, but would it be possible to create a kind of adapter that would connect to the back of the TG16, take a USB key or SDCard and simulate a CD-Rom drive? And use the Turbo Everdrive for your CD system card?
I don't know if the fpga on the turbo everdrive is powerful enough to simulate the extra ram found in the cd system cards. And probably krikzz is the only person capable of knowing how to program the OS for how it's used. And yes I'm sure you could build something that plugs into the back and uses fpga to simulate the cd drive, but nobody has bothered yet and it takes a good amount of skill to build something like that.

You can't "simulate" the extra RAM. And the Turbo ED contains no RAM at all. However on a Super CD-ROM system, the RAM is available to other HuCards as the Turbo ED can run BIOS images. So the Turbo ED could possibly use a hacked BIOS image and load off the SD card. But there would be no redbook audio. Though with the USB port you could in theory cue another device like a PC to play the audio.

Drakon · 08/12/2012, 05:58 AM

You could probably fpga the entire cd unit but it would take a much stronger fpga than what the turbo everdrive has most likely. You could build it with ram and anything else it would need. I'm sure you could fully recreate redbook audio with a powerful enough fpga setup.

Duo_R · 08/12/2012, 02:07 PM

Here is my case, just for storage:

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CGQuarterly · 08/12/2012, 02:42 PM

That's a nice case. Where did you find it?

Duo_R · 08/12/2012, 03:27 PM

It is a cover that came with an old PCMCIA slot card for an old IBM laptop. The hucard sleaves fit but this protects better

SeymorOnion · 08/12/2012, 03:42 PM

Quote from: Duo_R on 08/12/2012, 03:27 PMIt is a cover that came with an old PCMCIA slot card for an old IBM laptop. The hucard sleaves fit but this protects better

I've seen those PCMCIA Cases for sale online, at several websites, for around three bucks each.
I haven't purchased anything from the sites I saw selling them, before, so I have to leave that recommendation up to someone else.

I wonder if Stone Age Gamer is planning on bundling one of those cases with his tricked out version of the TED.

If his Deluxe Edition fits in those cases, it would be ideal.

Actually, now that I think about it, if his DE fits in those cases, I can go ahead and just use it.
I was planning on getting one of his DE's and encasing it somehow, so I could have it on display in my game room.

Duo_R · 08/12/2012, 04:11 PM

Not the one i have but $2 on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alesis-QCard-standard-PCMCIA-Card-Jewel-Case-NEW-/251093242805

SeymorOnion · 08/12/2012, 04:18 PM

Quote from: Duo_R on 08/12/2012, 04:11 PMNot the one i have but $2 on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alesis-QCard-standard-PCMCIA-Card-Jewel-Case-NEW-/251093242805

Thanks for the linkage; I just bought one. I'm gonna see if it will at least fit a standard HuCard. I'll let ya'll know, when it gets here.

Duo_R · 08/12/2012, 04:22 PM

They fit standard hucards but are a little loose

SeymorOnion · 08/12/2012, 04:27 PM

Quote from: Duo_R on 08/12/2012, 04:22 PMThey fit standard hucards but are a little loose

That's cool; there needs to be some extra thickness for the plexi-shield over the chips on the Deluxe Edition Turbo Everdrive, anyway. ;)

GameFreak · 08/12/2012, 08:53 PM

That looks like a pretty good deal on Ebay for a $2 case. He has a bunch of them and 100% feedback. I think it looks really nice in that case.

Ok so whats the word on when the everdrive is going to be for sale again?? How long is the wait? I might have enough $ in the next week or so and I really want one.

SeymorOnion · 08/12/2012, 09:04 PM

Quote from: GameFreak on 08/12/2012, 08:53 PMThat looks like a pretty good deal on Ebay for a $2 case. He has a bunch of them and 100% feedback. I think it looks really nice in that case.

Ok so whats the word on when the everdrive is going to be for sale again?? How long is the wait? I might have enough $ in the next week or so and I really want one.

Good question. I'm wondering the same thing.

Ironically, I sold my Duo last year, as part of the fundraising effort to get the HuCard Sleeves made...
Even so, I can hardly wait until the Deluxe Edition gets released.
That thing is a work of art, and I'm going to display it as such.

Duo_R · 08/12/2012, 09:10 PM

Whoa that is deluxe edition??!!???

GameFreak · 08/12/2012, 09:18 PM

I want a white one with red lettering that says "PC-Everdrive".....lol
What is the deluxe version just cosmetic changes?
It says on the website....

QuoteLooking for Deluxe Edition? We currently do not know if a Deluxe Edition will be possible for this product. If we do make a Deluxe Edition we will offer a Deluxe Edition upgrade kit to customers who purchased their Turbo EverDrive from Stone Age Gamer. The price of the kit will be the difference in price from Board Only to Deluxe Edition.

SeymorOnion · 08/12/2012, 09:18 PM

Yep.
At least, I think it is.
I can see the Stone Age Gamer logo under the E in DRIVE.
That's why I've been so jazzed about it today.

Quote from: GameFreak on 08/12/2012, 09:18 PMI want a white one with red lettering that says "PC-Everdrive".....lol
What is the deluxe version just cosmetic changes?
It says on the website....
QuoteLooking for Deluxe Edition? We currently do not know if a Deluxe Edition will be possible for this product. If we do make a Deluxe Edition we will offer a Deluxe Edition upgrade kit to customers who purchased their Turbo EverDrive from Stone Age Gamer. The price of the kit will be the difference in price from Board Only to Deluxe Edition.

I grabbed the photo off of another forum.
I think he has it on display at that retro gaming convention in Nevada?

If it's just a CG Mockup that never gets made, I'm going to be really disappointed.

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