Could DAIMAKAIMURA aka GHOULS 'N' GHOSTS converted to a PCE CD Rom ?

[Nighttrate]

Could DAIMAKAIMURA aka GHOULS 'N' GHOSTS converted to a PCE CD Rom & use the extra memory of the arcade card for the extra memory?

[TurboXray]

You mean from scratch or hacking the rom? Yes, in both cases.

[CrackTiger]

A much better port could be done from scratch on regular PC Engine ACD.

The SuperGrafx version (or a new port) could be done on PCE HuCard. Parallax could be done using different methods, but you'd probably end up with a bit of flicker (no big deal). The SuperGrafx version isn't doing anything special other than having a second tile layer.

[PukeSter]

I would love to see a normal HuCard port.

Someone made a fake cover once for a PCE Makaimura conversion, which was cool too.

[FraGMarE]

Merge the two bg layers together and pretty much any SGX game can be converted to a PCE game.

[Tatsujin]

werd!

[Bernie]

Make it happen.. 

[Nighttrate]

I was wondering why anyone hadn't attempted a conversion of this game. Wouldn't the arcade card would give the large memory needed to run it? & the cd rom would be a ideal medium....

Somebody please convert it as it a great game.

[wolfman]

I was wondering why anyone hadn't attempted a conversion of this game. Wouldn't the arcade card would give the large memory needed to run it? & the cd rom would be a ideal medium....

Somebody please convert it as it a great game.

+1

Would be interested too to hear if that is really possible...

[ccovell]

Merge the two bg layers together and pretty much any SGX game can be converted to a PCE game.

Except now you have only 64 sprites instead of 128, 64K of VRAM instead of 128, and BG and FG tile palettes all have to coexist when they overlap in a single tilemap.  Forget it; it's beyond the reach of just any old casual hacker.

[EvilEvoIX]

Merge the two bg layers together and pretty much any SGX game can be converted to a PCE game.

Except now you have only 64 sprites instead of 128, 64K of VRAM instead of 128, and BG and FG tile palettes all have to coexist when they overlap in a single tilemap.  Forget it; it's beyond the reach of just any old casual hacker.

Also could the SGX really to 128 Sprites without significant slow down or would it be like the SNES trying to do that many sprites?

[ccovell]

Slowdown lands primarily at the feet of the programmer.  There is nothing in a game system that naturally "causes" slowdown.

See this thread for a discussion about this very topic: http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11040

[Arkhan Asylum]

Also could the SGX really to 128 Sprites without significant slow down or would it be like the SNES trying to do that many sprites?

Atlantean can update 63 sprites at once without slowdown.

I can't imagine Daimakaimura actually using all 128 sprites at once though.  Daimakaimura also probably does less processing than Atlantean, so I'd imagine there wouldn't be slowdown unless the programmer forgets their meds that day.


and no, it can't be converted to PCE CD.  It can't be made to run on a regular HuCard.

In theory it is maybe possible (at the expense of some of the visual elements).   In practice?  No.  No.  No.

It's a SuperGrafx game.   The amount of BS that would be required to hamfist it into working on a regular PCE isn't even worth it. 

Anyone who says they can do it is full of shit.   It would be a total clusterfuck.




No.

[Trenton_net]

Except now you have only 64 sprites instead of 128, 64K of VRAM instead of 128, and BG and FG tile palettes all have to coexist when they overlap in a single tilemap.  Forget it; it's beyond the reach of just any old casual hacker.

All I heard from you was "Challenge accepted". :-) Of course to be clear, i say that all in jest.

[HailingTheThings]

How 'bout instead pick some nes or sms games to port over to the turbo with pretty arrange music ala CD? That'd be, how do you say? Tits, yes? Something like maybe Bucky O'hare? mew... :3

[roflmao]

How 'bout instead pick some nes or sms games to port over to the turbo with pretty arrange music ala CD? That'd be, how do you say? Tits, yes? Something like maybe Bucky O'hare? mew... :3

Have you checked out the NES2PCE blog?  Lots of goodies if you have a flashcard: http://pcedev.wordpress.com/downloads-and-links/

[HailingTheThings]

How 'bout instead pick some nes or sms games to port over to the turbo with pretty arrange music ala CD? That'd be, how do you say? Tits, yes? Something like maybe Bucky O'hare? mew... :3

Have you checked out the NES2PCE blog?  Lots of goodies if you have a flashcard: http://pcedev.wordpress.com/downloads-and-links/

I haven't, I just bookmarked it, will have to check out when I'm more awake. :3 Thanks.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Id like to see a Bucky O Hare game on PCE, but not the NES one.

Give me the beat em up from the arcade instead.

[HailingTheThings]

Id like to see a Bucky O Hare game on PCE, but not the NES one.

Give me the beat em up from the arcade instead.

That would take some real effort to port though, right?

[Arkhan Asylum]

Id like to see a Bucky O Hare game on PCE, but not the NES one.

Give me the beat em up from the arcade instead.

That would take some real effort to port though, right?

yes, and it'd probably still be easier than hamfisting Daimakaimura onto PCE CD, lol.

[TurboXray]

How 'bout instead pick some nes or sms games to port over to the turbo with pretty arrange music ala CD? That'd be, how do you say? Tits, yes? Something like maybe Bucky O'hare? mew... :3

Have you checked out the NES2PCE blog?  Lots of goodies if you have a flashcard: http://pcedev.wordpress.com/downloads-and-links/

I haven't, I just bookmarked it, will have to check out when I'm more awake. :3 Thanks.

From what I've heard, that guy is a fraud. He stole someone else's work and claiming it all as his own. He doesn't even know how to program and is just leading people on..

yes, and it'd probably still be easier than hamfisting Daimakaimura onto PCE CD, lol.

Never underestimate an obsessed hacker. Of course, they're all too busy loving the NES to prove you wrong. But it's doable.

Except now you have only 64 sprites instead of 128, 64K of VRAM instead of 128, and BG and FG tile palettes all have to coexist when they overlap in a single tilemap.  Forget it; it's beyond the reach of just any old casual hacker.

Yup. You'd have to hack the shit out of it. First thing would be the sprite handling routine. But I've done that sort of thing and it's not so bad to deal with. Most of the extra sprites are used for pseudo overlay layer. Could move that to an hsync box up top or at the bottom of the screen. Detail would have to be consolidated, but you can stream tiles to vram over time. It's not like you can run/scroll that fast in GnG anyway. But I agree, it's quite an advance level of hack.

 The way I would handle it; I would disassemble the game. And slowly replace specific routines with my own. That way the core gameplay logic is there, but everything else is replaced/built up around it. In the end, you might end up with a completely all new code. But at least you would have a solid understanding of how the game works, rather than trying to blindly emulate the arcade via - feel or playthroughs (European arcade conversions style). Also, the res has to go. Knock it back down to low res.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Never underestimate an obsessed hacker. Of course, they're all too busy loving the NES to prove you wrong. But it's doable.

Until someone actually does it, start to finish, I am going to maintain that it's too much of a clusterfucked, pipe dream of an idea that nobody will ever actually finish.  AKA: Not happening, only doable in theory, not in practice.

Also because most hackers have the worst project ADD ever and drop one thing to go fuck around doing something else, ad nauseum.

[Dicer]

Would love to see it, never will :/

[rtyper]

Posted by Bonknuts

But at least you would have a solid understanding of how the game works, rather than trying to blindly emulate the arcade via - feel or playthroughs (European arcade conversions style)

Ahhh, the good old 8/16bit computer days, when the phrase "arcade conversion" meant
that, literally.
No source code, no sprite sheets, no developer support. Nothing.
One button joysticks and 2meg memory if you were lucky, but we were happy in those days.
aye.

[Psycho Punch]

In the ZX Spectrum version of R-Type, the programmer wrote that he had only 2 quarters to play R-Type to the end in a local arcade to port the game! And amazingly enough they would Always get the job done.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Green Beret's assfucked conversion on MSX is part of why Konami stopped letting round eye touch their games for awhile.

[Opethian]

Green Beret  port looks like a spectrum game with less colour lool

[PukeSter]

Green Beret  port looks like a spectrum game with less colour lool

Idk if Green Beret was, but a lot of MSX games were straight up Spectrum ports.

Which sucks, those games look and sound like ass.

[Nighttrate]

So is there a competent / brave enough programer with the know how to convert this game I love my PC Engine (witch I've had sine the 90's)

& I love this game so I was always pissed that this game wasn't a not a normal PCE game

So if anyone feels they have the balls to pull it off, Then I will love them forever.

somebody please pick up the gauntlet...

[TurboXray]

Tell you what, you raise 5,000USD and I'll give you a completed game of GnG for PCECD (or ACD if you want) - source code, compiled game, all. You do with it what you want from there. The project time would be 4 months total (from start to finish, not broken up).

[Psycho Punch]

CALLING ALL OBEYERS, CALLING ALL OBEYERS, EMERGENCY FUNDRAISER NOW!

[Arkhan Asylum]

Why in the fuck would anyone want to raise 5000 USD to slam it back to PCE.  Everyone involved here could just get SuperGrafx + Daimakaimura, play it on superior hardware with better quality, and save everyone the wasted time.

Assuming it could actually be done in 4 months, which I doubt in the first place.

[wildo2ne]

How 'bout instead pick some nes or sms games to port over to the turbo with pretty arrange music ala CD? That'd be, how do you say? Tits, yes? Something like maybe Bucky O'hare? mew... :3

Forget Bucky I am feeling something rpgish. Zelda, Dragon Warrior, or Crystalis

[_Paul]

This is the most pointless idea ever. Especially when all that energy could be put towards porting Rastan!

[esteban]

Tell you what, you raise 5,000USD and I'll give you a completed game of GnG for PCECD (or ACD if you want) - source code, compiled game, all. You do with it what you want from there. The project time would be 4 months total (from start to finish, not broken up).

LAYAWAY PLAN: I will slowly save $$$ so you can, one day, create Blodia Hell (TurboTimeball), the enhanced SCD sequel I have always wanted). I'll convince Paul/Covell/fragmare/B_T/etc. to design cute tiles/sprites/etc., P_D will handle the RedBook, Arkhan will handle PSG tunes...

I am 100% serious, but I also know that only a handful of folks would genuinely get excited about this (which saddens me).

[TurboXray]

Assuming it could actually be done in 4 months, which I doubt in the first place.

I figured 3 months actually, and 1 month extra in case anything unforeseen.




 $5000 is insanely cheap, but I'd do it for the challenge and the love of coding for PCE. $5000 would pretty much just pay the bills, while I would concentrate full time on such a project.
 10 hours a day X 5 days a week x 4 weeks x 3 months = 600 hours total. That's $8.3 an hour. The extra month is there, but hopefully not needed (otherwise that dollar per hour drops even lower). That's a huge pay cut, but soo worth it.

 Anyway, I have the skills and related experience for this type of project. If you really want it, that's what it'll cost you. 50 members contribute $100; $5000. The compiled game, source code, and all assets become property of the community that raised the money or whatever.

 Anyway, that's my offer. The balls in your court.

[Dicer]

I smell a mini-kickstarter

[PukeSter]

This is the most pointless idea ever. Especially when all that energy could be put towards porting Rastan!

Or buying multiple copies of Genny GnG.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I figured 3 months actually, and 1 month extra in case anything unforeseen.

I'd figure more than 1 extra month based off how PCE projects usually go. 

$5000 is insanely cheap, but I'd do it for the challenge and the love of coding for PCE. $5000 would pretty much just pay the bills, while I would concentrate full time on such a project.

If you're doing it for the love of PCE/the challenge, you wouldn't need the money. 
 

This is a terrible idea, and I can't see people actually ponying money up for it.  Also, your previous work repertoire doesn't really guarantee this 4 month turnaround time you've come up with.

If you really want to see it done, why not just do it for shits and giggles, for the "love and challenge", instead of basically asking a bunch of people to give you 5000$ for a game we could all already play.   It's not like it's a monumental task to locate a SuperGrafx and one game for it.  It's also more productive, since you now have a new NEC console with some other games worth playing.

Unless you plan on asking 5000$ a pop to convert the entire SGX library to PCE.



Do enough people here even lack a SuperGrafx + Daimakaimura?   I don't think there are 50 active members here, let alone 50 active members who don't already have a way to play this game.

[Arkhan Asylum]

The 5000$ part is where things start to get retarded. 

Just do it because you can/want to.  Not because you ask a bunch of us to pay you to do it.  Save that for a unique idea.

[PukeSter]

The 5000$ part is where things start to get retarded. 

Just do it because you can/want to.  Not because you ask a bunch of us to pay you to do it.  Save that for a unique idea.

Keep in mind, it would take him a lot longer without the $5000 (to pay bills while programming).

This project would interfere with the Mega Man port, as well, too. Maybe finish that up first.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Keep in mind, it would take him a lot longer without the $5000 (to pay bills while programming).

This project would interfere with the Mega Man port, as well, too. Maybe finish that up first.

Oh no.  It will take awhile to convert a game we can all already play.   


It's the apocalypse.


How are bills being paid right now?  Obviously there is a way to do it at the moment, so, I'd advise continuing to do that for bills instead of trying to get money from PCEFXers.

Now, if the intent was to stop doing that, do PCE full time, and ask for money as a result, there's words for that.  None of them are really nice, though.

[HailingTheThings]

How 'bout instead pick some nes or sms games to port over to the turbo with pretty arrange music ala CD? That'd be, how do you say? Tits, yes? Something like maybe Bucky O'hare? mew... :3

Forget Bucky I am feeling something rpgish. Zelda, Dragon Warrior, or Crystalis

Don't you EVER forget BUCKY O'HARE! EVER!!



Also, instead of Daimakuuuu..whatev, 5k for a faithful port of Bucky O'Hare aracde for PC Engine Arcade CD, now that's not that bad, huh? Huh? 

[Nighttrate]

Arkhan has a big point.

I thought that PC Engine Fx was full of programmers that wanted to keep pushing borders & making games for the PCE that why I asked. (& i thought it sounded like a good challenge)

"$5000" Really, I'm all for looking after a guy if he does a good turn but 5K for a game that no one is looking to sell has to be the most ridiculous request I've ever heard

As its was my suggestion, I suggest no one thinks of paying but if someone does make it, donate them a little cash as a way of saying Thanks.

[Dicer]

Arkhan has a big point.

I thought that PC Engine Fx was full of programmers that wanted to keep pushing borders & making games for the PCE that why I asked. (& i thought it sounded like a good challenge)

"$5000" Really, I'm all for looking after a guy if he does a good turn but 5K for a game that no one is looking to sell has to be the most ridiculous request I've ever heard

As is was my suggestion, I suggest no one thinks of paying but if someone does make it donate them a little cash as a way of saying Thanks.

It's full of all kinds...as we all find out eventually

I'm all for tossing a little green to people that work on projects if they deliver...iif they beg well that's a different matter.

[Arkhan Asylum]

If you're only going to do it for money, all of the talk of "for the love/challenge" is basically a crock of fuck.

There's a reason Aetherbyte doesn't ask for money until something is done.   We're doing this for shits and giggles.

[ParanoiaDragon]

My guess would be to do this for $5000 for sustenance & covering, so that all his time is dedicated to it, with time not being consumed by a regular 9-5.

But, yeah, like Paul said, I'd much rather see Rastan, then a GnG PCE port!

[Arkhan Asylum]

My guess would be to do this for $5000 for sustenance & covering, so that all his time is dedicated to it, with time not being consumed by a regular 9-5.

But, yeah, like Paul said, I'd much rather see Rastan, then a GnG PCE port!

So, quit a real job , smash a game out in 4 months, and then... ... hope the 9-5 job is there at the end?

Why didn't I think of that.   Atlantean would've been out twice by now.

[TurboXray]

Jesus, people...

 Someone asked (step up to the plate/etc), and I gave my response as what it would take for me to do it. And that's what it take, if you want me to do it (I'm an experienced hacker and PCE coder); if you want me to put off my regular (higher paying job; I work for my family's business) to do this project. End of Story.

 Don't like it, find someone else. No harm/no foul. Simply as that. No need for drama/shit talking/whatever.


 Edit: You know what? Fuck it. I withdraw my offer. Go complain about something else..

[Arkhan Asylum]

This sums up the "complaint".   It's more the absurdity of you claiming you do this shit out of love for PCE/wanting a challenge, and then you throw down some faux-professional crap about wanting 5000$ and give a timeline for completion.

If you really want to do the thing, just stfu and do it in your spare time, for the love of it, like the rest of us.  Don't ask people for money to feed you and pay for your TV/Internet while you do it.   That's retarded.

It's also not the first time you've done this, to a similar response, so what were you expecting? 


and I have to point out, how do you plan for "unforeseen things" and estimate 1 month for it?  They are unforeseen.  You have no idea what they are and can't actually estimate what kind of delays they may bring... lol