Greatest Console, all time

[Medic_wheat]

its not "simply an arcade box that you could plug into your tv"

it doesn't used the same carts at all

how can you ever draw that conclusion?

do you even know what AES stands for?

Of Course I do...I happen to own one, but I mostly collect for my CMVS as those are much more affordable (provided you dont' get bootlegs ugh)..

Come on..it was nothing more then an arcadee in a box..

same boards

same everything ...same games!

The only thing they did was make it so arcade owners couldn't buy the then cheaper AES ports and play them on their arcades....

All they did with SOME home ports (which was no diffrent apart from the shell) was maybe MAYBE add things like the removal of blood, color swaps, ability to listen to music from the game on a select screen, and take away the need to insert a coin ...

They NEVER developed a game for the AES that wasn't first an Arcade game for the MVS

They even omited one or two games that ONLY came out for the MVS arcade cabs

They NEVER ported any other game that wasn't a direct MVS port...NEVER........


So yes it was JUST an Aracde with some pretty lipstick, that you could play with your friend on your tv........

The best part of the AES to me was that you could have the memory card and use it with some of the Arcade systems (and a jack for headphones).....

Let's face it the number of people I have met who owned a TG-16 VASTLY outweighs anyone who owned a AES (when it first came out).

Hell I didn't even have a AES until 4 years ago around the same time I bought a CMVS...

and I have only ever bothered to get 2 AES games,  where as I have like 20 something MVS games...

and even then I am the only person I have met in real life or with in my circle of friends who even knows what a Neo Geo AES/MVS or TG-16 was let alone have one......which makes for weird conversations when I try and tak about games for these systems...sure most know or remember playing Neo Geo in the Arcades but when they learn that you could play them on your TV on original hardward they flip.......


not enough to buy said hardware though...they just mooch off of my stuff...which makes for fun drunken retro nights that don't just involves a NES, SNES, and ocasonal Dreamcast or SMS/Genesis game.....

[Nazi NecroPhile]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

[DragonmasterDan]

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

Necromancer is dead on.

It didn't sell in large numbers because it was a premium item. The goal of the Neo-Geo AES wasn't to reach mass market penetration to have a system in every living room in the developed world. It was to sell a premium item at a premium price. It's a totally different market than Nintendo, Sega and NEC were going for.

Also, it had a lot more than 55 games.

[PunkCryborg]

where did you get 55 games released for AES? If that's just US releases that's a lame argument because everyone who collects neo geo, even when it was new bought Japanese games as well. It's like Turbo same thing. Very few people only play US Turbo. Even when it was new many people already started buying Japanese CD games and converters to play Japanese games. You pretty much have to consider the whole library in Japan and US for both of those consoles as the majority of people who are interested in them play all region of games.

[Medic_wheat]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

I'd have to agree ..... The Neo Geo was never poorly recived it was just set a price point that most couldn't affored, parents would never think of buying for their kids, and we are still talking about a time when most people did NOT have more then one system......

it was a very (we only see the point in buying one system for you kid....PICK)

It is only now a days with gamers from the 80's and 90's IMO that actually go out and BUY multiple systems......either for themselves or their families (yeah right still just for us lol).....

12 year old me NEVER could afford a Neo Geo AES so I just scoffed at what were only ads to me, and thought "My SNES port is arcade perfect".......

I never knew of someone who had a Neo Geo AES or even the CD.....all of my experinace with Neo Geo growing up was with the Arcade....and even then it was with only a very VERY small offering of the games actually developed....

In fact I can tell you which ones...

Metal Slug (insert number) mostly 1 and 3

Art of Fighting

KOF (insert year)

that one with the disk beach ball setting

and that Capcom Neo Geo one.....


that was it....

well okay maybe a few of the shooters but I woudl be hard press to remember which one

[slinkyturd]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Pick an argument, chief.  It's one thing to say the NeoGeo isn't the best console ever because of its small library and cost, but it's something entirely different to say it was poorly received.  Also, there are more than 55 games for the AES.  It's still not going to rival the SNES or Genny libraries in size, but get your facts correct if you're going to use that as an argument.

P.S. - I wouldn't say the TG-16 is out of the running.  Only an idiot would ignore the PCE and its extensive library.

[Medic_wheat]

Pick an argument, chief.  It's one thing to say the NeoGeo isn't the best console ever because of its small library and cost, but it's something entirely different to say it was poorly received.  Also, there are more than 55 games for the AES.  It's still not going to rival the SNES or Genny libraries in size, but get your facts correct if you're going to use that as an argument.

P.S. - I wouldn't say the TG-16 is out of the running.  Only an idiot would ignore the PCE and its extensive library.

When you say PCE and it's extensive library do you reffer to the US release or the import offerings?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

When you say PCE and it's extensive library do you reffer to the US release or the import offerings?

I mean what I typed.

I hope you're fucking trolling me. 

[slinkyturd]

Its reception is a supporting point to the argument that it isn't the greatest system ever or even in its own generation. I believe my point on that is still valid. Consider what you are paying for when you buy an AES game today. You don't pay hundreds more for a game that is worth hundreds more in game play. You pay for rarity. Rarity isn't an argument for greatest ever. It's an argument for best niche market.

[DragonmasterDan]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Where are you getting this 55 games number from?

I know around 90 released in the West alone

2020 Super Baseball
3 Count Bout           
Aero Fighters 2               
Aggressors of Dark Kombat     
Alpha Mission 2
Andro Dunos                 
Art of Fighting (dog-tag)     
Art of Fighting 2               
Art of Fighting 3             
Baseball Stars Professional   
Baseball Stars 2
Blue's Journey                 
Burning Fight                   
Crossed Swords               
Cyber-lip                   
Double Dragon
Eightman
Fatal Fury
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special           
Fatal Fury 3                   
Football Frenzy
Galaxy Fight                 
Ghost Pilots
Karnov's Revenge               
King of Fighters 94           
King of Fighters 95           
King of Fighters 96           
King of Fighters 97             
King of Fighters 98             
King of Fighters 99           
King of Fighters 2000         
King of Fighters 2001         
King of Fighters 2002         
King of Fighters 2003         
King of Monsters
King of Monsters 2
Kizuna Encounter
Last Blade                   
Last Blade 2               
Last Resort
League Bowling
Magician Lord               
Mark of the Wolves             
Matrimelee                     
Metal Slug                     
Metal Slug 2                   
Metal Slug X                   
Metal Slug 3                   
Metal Slug 4                 
Metal Slug 5                   
Mutation Nation     
NAM-1975                     
Neo Turfmasters                     
Ninja Combat                   
Ninja Commando
Ninja Master's             
Puzzled
Rage of the Dragons           
Real Bout Fatal Fury         
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special   
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2       
Riding Hero                 
Robo Army
Samurai Shodown                 
Samurai Shodown 2
Samurai Shodown 3               
Samurai Shodown 4             
Samurai Shodown 5             
Samurai Shodown 5 Special     
Savage Reign                     
Sengoku                         
Sengoku 2                       
Sengoku 3                     
Soccer Brawl
Spin Master                   
Stakes Winner             
Street Hoop                   
Super Sidekicks                 
Super Sidekicks 2               
Super Sidekicks 3             
SVC Chaos                     
Ultimate 11
The Super Spy                 
Thrash Rally                   
Top Hunter                   
Top Players Golf             
View Point                   
Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer     
Windjammers                   
World Heroes                   
World Heroes 2
World Heroes 2 Jet
World Heroes Perfect     

[PunkCryborg]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.

Wait you are arguing that there are only 55 Neo Geo games and most aren't good yet you think SNES is good? I think we all can agree you have terrible taste and are in no mental state to be starting threads like this.

[slinkyturd]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Edit: Even if you want to argue imports, then Super Famicom and PCE imports are fair game as well and that does what? It makes it even harder to make the argument that neo geo is better than any of the others.

Wait you are arguing that there are only 55 Neo Geo games and most aren't good yet you think SNES is good? I think we all can agree you have terrible taste and are in no mental state to be starting threads like this.

You somehow quote me and misquote me in the same breathe. I never said most aren't good or even quantified that number. I said not all of them are good and didn't get any more specific than that.

[Medic_wheat]

3 Count Bout

that is the game I was thinking of

[PunkCryborg]

You somehow quote me and misquote me in the same breathe. I never said most aren't good or even quantified that number. I said not all of them are good and didn't get any more specific than that.

Why do you keep ignoring the "55 games" number you pulled out of who knows where? Do you have a source? Have you ever even played a Neo Geo?

[slinkyturd]

The library holds it back considerably. It has 55 games. Not 55 good games, 55 games total. I mean it's not even close. Genesis or SNES had like 750 games each. I'd wager that any of us could find more than 55 good games on either of those two systems. And I'd even concede that Neo Geo is a good system with some fantastic games. By no means am I saying it wasn't, but it's so clear to me that the top spot just in that console generation is a dual between Genesis and SNES with a distant 3rd/4th battle between Neo Geo and TG16. And none of that even considers the pricing of each. I mean you can get a respectable collection in either SNES or Genesis for the cost of just an AES system and like 5 games. Make the argument that spending a grand on the AES system and games is better than what you can get for the same cash in SNES or Genesis, system and games. Make that argument.

Where are you getting this 55 games number from?

I know around 90 released in the West alone

2020 Super Baseball
3 Count Bout           
Aero Fighters 2               
Aggressors of Dark Kombat     
Alpha Mission 2
Andro Dunos                 
Art of Fighting (dog-tag)     
Art of Fighting 2               
Art of Fighting 3             
Baseball Stars Professional   
Baseball Stars 2
Blue's Journey                 
Burning Fight                   
Crossed Swords               
Cyber-lip                   
Double Dragon
Eightman
Fatal Fury
Fatal Fury 2
Fatal Fury Special           
Fatal Fury 3                   
Football Frenzy
Galaxy Fight                 
Ghost Pilots
Karnov's Revenge               
King of Fighters 94           
King of Fighters 95           
King of Fighters 96           
King of Fighters 97             
King of Fighters 98             
King of Fighters 99           
King of Fighters 2000         
King of Fighters 2001         
King of Fighters 2002         
King of Fighters 2003         
King of Monsters
King of Monsters 2
Kizuna Encounter
Last Blade                   
Last Blade 2               
Last Resort
League Bowling
Magician Lord               
Mark of the Wolves             
Matrimelee                     
Metal Slug                     
Metal Slug 2                   
Metal Slug X                   
Metal Slug 3                   
Metal Slug 4                 
Metal Slug 5                   
Mutation Nation     
NAM-1975                     
Neo Turfmasters                     
Ninja Combat                   
Ninja Commando
Ninja Master's             
Puzzled
Rage of the Dragons           
Real Bout Fatal Fury         
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special   
Real Bout Fatal Fury 2       
Riding Hero                 
Robo Army
Samurai Shodown                 
Samurai Shodown 2
Samurai Shodown 3               
Samurai Shodown 4             
Samurai Shodown 5             
Samurai Shodown 5 Special     
Savage Reign                     
Sengoku                         
Sengoku 2                       
Sengoku 3                     
Soccer Brawl
Spin Master                   
Stakes Winner             
Street Hoop                   
Super Sidekicks                 
Super Sidekicks 2               
Super Sidekicks 3             
SVC Chaos                     
Ultimate 11
The Super Spy                 
Thrash Rally                   
Top Hunter                   
Top Players Golf             
View Point                   
Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer     
Windjammers                   
World Heroes                   
World Heroes 2
World Heroes 2 Jet
World Heroes Perfect       

I stand corrected but even with that correction it still is only in contention with TG16...and that's if we ignore PCE's library.

[slinkyturd]

I'm just wondering what the criteria is for "greatest console, all time".  All criteria are subjective.  Slinky seems to think that a great console is defined by its reception when released as well as library size and "self actualization" of the console (to borrow a term from psychology).

It is a safe bet that many PCE/TG16 enthusiasts have a different set of criteria.

Thank you! Greatest system ever does not necessarily equal "My favorite system ever." I'm trying to take every aspect of the system into account and not just my personal bias for one system over the other. I mean my least favorite of systems in the 16 bit era is the one I'd make the hardest argument for it being the greatest.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it.  Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.

That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.

[slinkyturd]

The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it.  Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.

That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.

We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.

[Medic_wheat]

I'm just wondering what the criteria is for "greatest console, all time".  All criteria are subjective.  Slinky seems to think that a great console is defined by its reception when released as well as library size and "self actualization" of the console (to borrow a term from psychology).

It is a safe bet that many PCE/TG16 enthusiasts have a different set of criteria.

This is true.........

well I mean about the criteria.....and justification for each person's persoanl best system.

Is it longevity?

How well it has held up over the years?

Impact on video gaming as a whole?

Library of games?

or simply the company that created it?

who knows what you or anyone feels edges out others...


but since I have yet to even say which system I think is the best of all time, space, and this dimenson...



I'd have to go with:

Atari 2600: Why? It was my first system ever, and I have many fond memories playing with my dad....I don't even know if you could call the 2600 8-bit so I give it it's own slot as the first home system worth a damb to the general consumer.

SMS for 8-bit (why because it was honeslty better hardware then the NES, but lack of 3rd party support due to the monoloply Nintendo had (which I never understood at the time or was aware of) made it suffer with games to play).  Thi is a new love I have devleoped when I gave the system a chance and played it as an adult.

For 16-bit man that is hard......SNES..sorry....Fanboyism won out...it has the most games I still enjoy playing and dang it I STILL discover other games that are worth a play.

Now here is where I always get confused with what is and isn't a 32 bit system...but if the Sega CD counts that would have to be it for me....why?  For all the bashing it got, it has one HELL of a game library of gems to play many of which are still exclusive to the Sega CD.

For the 64 bit era which I guess is N64, and the PS1, I'd say N64..........I still game on the N64, and with the PS1 it was and is largly a RPG system to me......sure there are some great non RPG games, but it is more of a nostalgia factor for me.....


and I'll pick this up later....lunch time.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.

That settles it.  You're retarded.

[slinkyturd]

And you're an Ass.

If a tree falls in the woods, does anyone hear it?

If a Neo Geo sits unsold because no one can afford it, does anyone get to enjoy it?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Look up the definition for "well received" and you'll find it has nothing to do with sales numbers.  Go back to the Veyron analogy: it's very expensive and they've only sold a few hundred of 'em, yet it has most certainly been well received.

You are dead wrong.  Get over it.

[Medic_wheat]

I think you are simply using the wrong word to express your opinin.

Saying it was not well recived based on units sold is misleading. There have been many a movie that was well recived but bombed in the box office but later became cult clasics


And to me that is what the AES is now a days. A cult classic

Much like the TG-16 is a cult classic

[Opethian]

medic you are an idiot try to shove an AES cart in an MVS and tell me its the same board. Same game roms sure but not the same carts. You seem to miss the entire point of the Neo Geo. They are an ARCADE division that found a way to bring their games into your home using their successful cartridge format for arcade distribution. Why would they develop for the home market which was just another avenue to bring in money on vested technology? The money maker for them was the arcade at that time. I don't understand your lipstick analogy. It was SNKs console to compete in the market and they had something very unique and way ahead of its time. I guess the Playchoice-10 is just an ugly raped NES made to play in arcades? same with the Mega Tech since they don't have "lipstick"? The AES  is the home console of the MVS arcade system. Just like the Saturn / STV  and Dreamcast / Naomi.

[ctophil]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

Yeah, the Neo Geo was a souped up 16-bit system with an 8-bit co-processor (16 + 8 = 24-bit, advertised as a 24-bit system), definitely the most powerful console in 1990 until it got surpassed by the Philips CD-I in 1991.  The expensive price was one of its problems.  The other is that the library consisted mostly of fighting games, beat-em-ups, and shooters.  You can tell it was made for arcade games--mostly action-based.  This was why I didn't pick up the system back in the day.  Also, my parents definitely would not pay for anything past $200. 

I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially.

[Medic_wheat]

medic you are an idiot try to shove an AES cart in an MVS and tell me its the same board. Same game roms sure but not the same carts. You seem to miss the entire point of the Neo Geo. They are an ARCADE division that found a way to bring their games into your home using their successful cartridge format for arcade distribution. Why would they develop for the home market which was just another avenue to bring in money on vested technology? The money maker for them was the arcade at that time. I don't understand your lipstick analogy. It was SNKs console to compete in the market and they had something very unique and way ahead of its time. I guess the Playchoice-10 is just an ugly raped NES made to play in arcades? same with the Mega Tech since they don't have "lipstick"? The AES  is the home console of the MVS arcade system. Just like the Saturn / STV  and Dreamcast / Naomi.

Ok now you are really off the mark.

You cant compair a dream cast to its arcade counterpart because it didnt use the same technology

The AES and MVS were the same fliping thing. Yes SNK made their money on arcade units because they made their games interchanagble to the board running it.


The sega saturn and dreamcast where watered down ports of hardware the arcade was pushing.

Sure the naomi used those cd based games that needed that lockout chip per game but the dream cast wasnt nearly as powerfull as its arcade counterpart


Where as the AES and MVS use idential hard ware chip sets and cartridge. The case was diffrent and it was incompatable to thw MVS so arcade dealers couldnt buy a $200 dollar AES game and slap it on their arcades but yes. To me the AES and MVS used the same hardware and specs. At lest that is what I have always understood

[Medic_wheat]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

Your belief that the NeoGeo wasn't well received is based solely on sales figures, which is just plain stupid.  It didn't sell in small numbers because nobody wanted it, it sold in small numbers because few could afford it.

It was easily more powerful than the SNES, Genesis, or TG-16.  Are you seriously trying to argue otherwise?

Yeah, the Neo Geo was a souped up 16-bit system with an 8-bit co-processor (16 + 8 = 24-bit, advertised as a 24-bit system), definitely the most powerful console in 1990 until it got surpassed by the Philips CD-I in 1991.  The expensive price was one of its problems.  The other is that the library consisted mostly of fighting games, beat-em-ups, and shooters.  You can tell it was made for arcade games--mostly action-based.  This was why I didn't pick up the system back in the day.  Also, my parents definitely would not pay for anything past $200. 

I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially.

Ugghh I stilm regreat pre ordering and kwwping that pile of crap. The neo geo x is poory constructed and does even worse emulation. Id rather buy a multi cart for my MVS then use a neo geo x.

Personal taste mind you.

[Medic_wheat]

"The MVS and AES hardware can execute identical machine code. Owners can move EPROMs from one type to the other, and the game will still run. The program specifics for both MVS and AES game options are contained on every game ROM, whether the cartridge is intended for home or arcade use. However, the arcade and home cartridges do have a different pinout. They were designed this way to prevent arcade operators from buying the cheaper home carts and then using them in arcades. It has been found that in a few home version games, one could unlock the arcade version of the game by inputting a special code." ~Wiki

I have looked but I can't sem to find anything that direclty compairs the hardware (what was used) between a AES and MVS system...eveyone just seems to compair the inital price of the system as it's big diffrence, and this one part about how the pin layout was diffrent to keep Arcade owners from using the then cheaper AES games on their MVS arcades ..... 

I am sure the answer is some where but I don't care to look at the moment.

If you can show that the technology used was diffrent in a AES system versus a MVS I'll consied that you are correct.

But apart from the lack of dip swithces, or that the MVS went from 1 slot to 6 slot boards and used daughter boards for the video out put in a AES system I fail to see how the hardware used in either the AES or MVS was diffrent.

Apart from video out put

Use of coin mech

Controller layout for use with a AES controller port

and pin layout to prevent the use of a non AES cart

I honestly fail to see any diffrence...when ever anyone has ever talked about the AES system it was always compaired as taking their Aracde system and putting it your home.. Aracde perfect sounds, graphics, and rom emulation ....

[Opethian]

The BIOS are different on each system. The winner don't use drugs logo from the arcade cannot be displayed on an AES as it lacks the tiles set to display properly. Its a home console version of the MVS you don't get it and you never will.

[cabbage]

[Medic_wheat]

The BIOS are different on each system. The winner don't use drugs logo from the arcade cannot be displayed on an AES as it lacks the tiles set to display properly. Its a home console version of the MVS you don't get it and you never will.

Having a diffrent BIOS was just to ONCE AGAIN keep the use of the then cheaper AES game from being used in a MVS arcade.

oh no winner's don't use drugs is missing it is a totally diffrent system!

I am asking you to state was the hardware used diffrent?

Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent? was there any major diffrence between a MVS and AES hardware that pumped out the video games used in either incarnation of the Neo Geo games?

[Opethian]

One has a test menu and one doesn't how are they the same again? The BIOS is different just get over it you clearly don't know shit about anything. If I publish the info in a wiki you would probably run with it as the gospel. Find other ways to boost your post count.

[tggodfrey]

The AES was marketed to large corporate hotel agencies as an in Hotel Arcade system for each room.  SNK didnt give a shit if your little 12 yr old could afford it.  They accomplished what they set out to do.

[DeshDildo]

I am torn in this discussion.  I feel the NES has to be #1 based off of many factors:
It single handedly saved the home console market in NA.
It's library is huge and has all sorts of great games.
It's popularity was so huge that 3rd party developers were willing to do whatever it took to get on the system (including all of the unlawful stipulations Nintendo required).
Nintendo's marketing in this era was amazing.
Long lifespan that only finally ended because of Nintendo's next generation system.
It was easy for a casual gamer to pick up and play.
Other than the aged 72 pin issue on toasters, the hardware itself is damn reliable.

Where I have regret for the NES is this.  Although, it my have saved the industry it also stifled it.  Just imagine a NA library for TurboGrafx if 3rd party developers ported nicer looking games to TurboGrafx at the same time they were released on Nintendo's console(s).

I have to agree that PS2 is right up there.  Just think, if Nintendo would have just let Sony finish development and release a disc drive for the SNES, would Sony have ever ventured into the home console market?

There's no denying the success of the SNES but, I have a better connection to the Sega Genesis.  I like cheering for the underdog and, at the time, no one had come close to beating Nintendo in the North American market.

As far as a top 5 list of best home consoles based on sales, public opinion, support etc.  Here's mine:
1.) NES
2.) PS2
3.) SNES
4.) XBOX 360
5.) Genesis

As far as a current list of my personal favorite home consoles would probably look like this:
1.) NES
2.) TurboGrafx/ PCE
3.) Genesis
4.) XBOX 360
5.) GameCube

With all of this said, one of the main reasons I purchased my PS2 was that it played DVD's.  I thought the GameCube might be better but no DVD play and constantly getting burned by the N64's lack of allowing developers port popular games to it.  Oh yeah, they did finally release RE2 on N64 about 67 years after it first came out on PS1.

As far as the Neo Geo discussion goes.  Was it a success?  I think so, it did exactly what it set out to do.  Fill a higher end niche market with exact arcade ports.  Why is it not on my list?  It had a major impact in that it was the first home console to have the exact same game as found in an arcade but that's not enough for me.  It's cost made it not popular because few could afford it (still) and it was never marketed or sold to compete in the mass market.  Home can you compare that?  It's like comparing a Toyota Camry to the Bugatti Veyron.  Are there a shit ton of people that want both?  Sure.. out of that shit ton how many can buy the Veyron?  Out of those 2 cars which keeps the company that sells it afloat and profitable?  Just because the Veyron (like the Neo Geo) was the most powerful piece of hardware ever released to the public at that time, does that make it the greatest of all time?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent?

The Saturn is almost identical to the STV, with the same CPUs, VDP, sound chips, and ram; similarly, the Dreamcast and Naomi share almost identical hardware specs, with the only difference being that the Naomi has more ram.

But what difference does it make?  The AES is a home console, period.

[Arkhan Asylum]

This thread needs more JPop

[Medic_wheat]

Just answer that part....what the processers used diffrent?

The Saturn is almost identical to the STV, with the same CPUs, VDP, sound chips, and ram; similarly, the Dreamcast and Naomi share almost identical hardware specs, with the only difference being that the Naomi has more ram.

But what difference does it make?  The AES is a home console, period.

Really?  Hu...I didn't know that about either of those two systems...I thought they had entirely diffrent everything...


Okay okay...find I retract my hissy fit Neo Geo AES arcade in a box statement...


I guess I am simply wrong on this one.....

[geise]

Yep.

[slinkyturd]

Look up the definition for "well received" and you'll find it has nothing to do with sales numbers.  Go back to the Veyron analogy: it's very expensive and they've only sold a few hundred of 'em, yet it has most certainly been well received.

You are dead wrong.  Get over it.

The NeoGeo was well received and lusted after by most everyone, even if they couldn't afford to buy it.  Face it, numbnuts, you are wrong in saying it was poorly received.

That said, I wouldn't place it as the best console of all time for various reasons, none of which have to do with desirability currently or at launch.

We're arguing 2 separate things as the same point. I'll admit I've wanted a Neo Geo since it came out. Best I've gotten is a Neo Geo X. but that is irrelevent. You are arguing received as people liking it/wanting it. I am arguing it as units sold/accessibility. Two different things. I can concede what you are saying and your meaning. That's fine but I stand pat on units sold/accessibility.

I believe I conceded the point already and made clear what I meant. I don't get why you can't address the point I made instead of my wording of it. ...And you have the nerve to call me retarded. Maybe you ought to look up the definition of retarded and see that it has everything to do with being slow in understanding.

[GohanX]

I think I'm going to go with the Sega Neptune.

[MrFlutterPie]

I find it interesting that as soon as we start discussing the Neo Geo fighting breaks out and insults start flying.  It's like the Neo Geo is a toxic topic that only brings pain and suffering.

Hmmm I am starting to understand the Neo Geo Freaks board a little more now

And yes this thread DOES need more J Pop

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I believe I conceded the point already and made clear what I meant.

My point was that I wasn't arguing the definition of 'well received'.  It has one meaning and it is not 'my' meaning, it's the dictionary's meaning.

I don't get why you can't address the point I made instead of my wording of it. ...And you have the nerve to call me retarded. Maybe you ought to look up the definition of retarded and see that it has everything to do with being slow in understanding.

I've already implied that it's okay to discount the NeoGeo for being expensive and for having a smallish library, so I don't know what you're talking about.  Personally, cost and library size don't mean much, seeing as the cheapest (when new) system generally has the shittiest capabilities and the largest library usually has the highest ratio of shovelware.

[slinkyturd]

I believe I conceded the point already and made clear what I meant.

My point was that I wasn't arguing the definition of 'well received'.  It has one meaning and it is not 'my' meaning, it's the dictionary's meaning.

I don't get why you can't address the point I made instead of my wording of it. ...And you have the nerve to call me retarded. Maybe you ought to look up the definition of retarded and see that it has everything to do with being slow in understanding.

I've already implied that it's okay to discount the NeoGeo for being expensive and for having a smallish library, so I don't know what you're talking about.  Personally, cost and library size don't mean much, seeing as the cheapest (when new) system generally has the shittiest capabilities and the largest library usually has the highest ratio of shovelware.

And my point was you were beating a dead horse.

I can see your point about shovelware but like I said I think it wouldn't be that hard to find as many good games in any one of the TG/PCE, Genesis, or SNES's libraries as there are total games in the Neo Geo library. You can argue ratios of quality to crap (maybe the Neo has that. I've not figured that out.) but an actual count of quality has the Neo Geo beat on all fronts, Genesis, SNES, and TG/PCE.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Speaking of beating a dead horse: I've said twice already that using the NeoGeo's small library against it is a valid argument.

[slinkyturd]

You have said that...but also in the same breathe as saying it was irrelevant. valid or irrelevant point, pick one.:

I've already implied that it's okay to discount the NeoGeo for being expensive and for having a smallish library, so I don't know what you're talking about.  Personally, cost and library size don't mean much, seeing as the cheapest (when new) system generally has the shittiest capabilities and the largest library usually has the highest ratio of shovelware.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

No, I said it doesn't mean much to me.  Any search for the "greatest console" is necessarily going to be subjective.  There is no magic formula where you input each systems launch price, library size, production number, cpu mips, etc. and come up with a winner.

[slinkyturd]

It is fair to say that it will be subjective and that there is no magic formula. I do think that the argument can be summed up to be between 3 or 4 consoles for greatest ever and everything else can be taken on face value as not being in the discussion. Neo Geo, in my mind, doesn't even enter the conversation for the top spot. Too many negatives are attributed to it to make that argument.

[TR0N]

No. I'm honest and unbiased. Are you retarded?

I recently bought the Neo Geo X, which I think is good enough for me just to play Neo Geo games officially. 

I'm not gonna even ask why you have that crappy clone to begin with 

[ClodBusted]

Holy shit, Arkhan's random J-Pop thing came out of nowhere. My greatest J-music artists of all time:
1. Pizzicato Five
2. Ayumi Hamasaki
3. Mari Ijima
4. Priss & the replicants (Bubblegum Crisis)

Lol.

Topic:
Why is the front loading NES called toaster, when it much more resembles a VCR? To me, the later top loading NES and SNES are much more toaster-like.