$15 minimum wage

[o.pwuaioc]

What makes you think that life should be easy, especially for those on the very bottom rung?  Like I've said more than once already, minimum wage earners are screwed in places like New York; having some sort or roommate is probably your only chance anywhere with such extreme costs of living.

Typically, progress, and the fact that it can be. Why shouldn't it?

I got news for you: it's not a new concept.  People have been getting married (or staying married) primarily for financial reasons since forever.  Traditionally it's been marriage, roommates, or living with extended family for most people; being able to live alone comfortably is relatively new.

Slavery, racism, wife-beating, endemic warfare, high crime rates, employee abuse, lack of maternity...lots of things aren't new. They're not better, either. This is better. And it's feasible. What's idiotic is thinking that just because it was done like that in the past, it should stay that way. A comfortable life for the bottom rung is not only feasible, it's the only just option.

What's pitiful is that some people think that life should be easy no matter how uneducated, unskilled, stupid, or lazy you may be.

Oh, dear god I feel for my fellow man! What heartless cavern did you slink out of? I also don't even know what you're arguing for. Life being "easy" wasn't ever mentioned. Life being brutal was.

Not everyone can get married, and what happens when a roommate screws you over? Out to the streets? I don't think we should ever allow someone through no real fault of their own be kicked to the curb. Do you?

[wildfruit]

I couldn't have a roommate. My anxiety would go through the roof.
Also there is no reason why life shouldn't be easy. It's just because the powers that be have it drummed into you all your life that this is the particular way to be because it suits them that you like being part of a system that earns them money for nothing. Why are profitable companies subsided with tax monies? Why does EVERYONE have to go to university? I have a good job that required no academic qualifications 12 yrs ago and now all of a sudden a degree (of any subject) is desirable? For literally no reason at all I can figure apart from getting people who are conditioned a particular way to follow the system. Good little boys and girls fresh out of uni getting paid half as much as I do. They are also having it drummed into them that they should spend about 5 yrs and then seek employment elsewhere so they never get a pension or reach top pay. I fear being replaced totally by turnover rookies or a contractor. They say there is less money? Well where did it go? Money doesn't disappear unless you burn it. The money went somewhere. O yea it made rich people richer and the rest of us toil merrily in a gilded cage.
Love you all still tho

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Typically, progress, and the fact that it can be. Why shouldn't it?

Because this isn't Ys, an ideal utopia.  There will ALWAYS be people that struggle.

Slavery, racism, wife-beating, endemic warfare, high crime rates, employee abuse, lack of maternity...lots of things aren't new. They're not better, either. This is better. And it's feasible. What's idiotic is thinking that just because it was done like that in the past, it should stay that way. A comfortable life for the bottom rung is not only feasible, it's the only just option.

Twaddle.  You've arbitrarily decided that the only way to be comfortable is to have a very specific thing, something people making several times more than minimum wage often struggle to attain, and then whine because not everyone can have it.  Why not say the only comfortable life is to live in a 4000 sq. ft. manse, drive a Veyron, and consume only fiss sanwisses and courvoisier?

Oh, dear god I feel for my fellow man! What heartless cavern did you slink out of?

What kind of ignorant piece of shit are you to think that it takes a heartless asshole to deem cohabitation acceptable?

I also don't even know what you're arguing for. Life being "easy" wasn't ever mentioned. Life being brutal was.

A brutal life would be hard, and the opposite of hard is......... EASY!

Did you have to take classes to be this dense or did you come by it naturally?

Not everyone can get married, and what happens when a roommate screws you over? Out to the streets? I don't think we should ever allow someone through no real fault of their own be kicked to the curb. Do you?

So even though you're putting aside 15% for a rainy day, you can't possibly use that for short term roommate problems?  No doubt it wouldn't be short term for a cunt like yourself, but not everyone finds it so hard to get along with others.

[CGQuarterly]

It's getting hot in here, but I will *not* be taking off all of my clothes. 

P.S. Nully: I appreciate being included in the commie poster!

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Lol... not everyone finds it so hard to get along with others! Lololol... that's rich... coming from necro! Bwahahahahalololololol.... oh my sides... my sides... they hurt. Ahahahaha

Because arguing with someone on the internet is EXACTLY the same as having a roommate move out in the middle of the night, right?

[BigusSchmuck]

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-06/national-15-minimum-wage-is-trouble?cmpid=yhoo&ref=yfp
This article is a good read on why $15 minimum on the federal level is a bad idea.

[o.pwuaioc]

I like my showers to be not freezing. What's the opposite of freezing? Boiling.

I LIKE MY SHOWERS TO BE BOILING?

NecroPhile, that quite possibly might be the dumbest post you ever diarrheaed out. Bravo. A new low for you, shit for brains.

How to Argue Like NecroPhile

1. Be dumb as fuck.
2. Use strawman. If someone says that the quality of life shouldn't depend on strangers, they actually want them to live like royals.
3. Call them cunts if they show empathy, because that's what a man would do.
4. Use logical fallacies.
5. Say a bunch of stupid, ignorant claptrap, and then pretend the other person is the dumb one.

I can't argue with this dumb fuck anymore. Have a good one.

Edit:

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-06/national-15-minimum-wage-is-trouble?cmpid=yhoo&ref=yfp
This article is a good read on why $15 minimum on the federal level is a bad idea.

My only real problem with this is if we do away with a federal minimum wage, there will be no stopping places like Mississippi or Oklahoma in doing away with it at all. Look at Brownback's Kansas. Pro-business conservatives have no problem killing their local economy for short term (and short-sighted) gains. That said, $15 nationwide might be too tough for places with weaker economies. Only numbers will be able to tell that much.

[DildoKKKobold]

for a cunt like yourself

not everyone finds it so hard to get along with others.

I've never wondered more what someone from the internet was like in real life.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I can't argue with this dumb fuck anymore. Have a good one.

Some men can handle Fighting Street, some are o.pwuaioc. 

How many roomies you have right now, NecroPhile?

None.  I'm sure it couldn't be by choice and because I don't need to, though, and must be because nobody likes me.

[o.pwuaioc]

I can't argue with this dumb fuck anymore. Have a good one.

Some men can handle Fighting Street, some are o.pwuaioc. 

I just realize when I'm arguing with a brick wall. Who's dumber at that point, you know?

[CGQuarterly]

for a cunt like yourself

not everyone finds it so hard to get along with others.

I've never wondered more what someone from the internet was like in real life.

Funny you should say that because I've wondered the same about you.  In fact I was just thinking about that yesterday.

Edit: I'd room with NecroPhile.  It would be interesting.

Jibbs: Hey man, would it be alright if you flushed the toilet after dropping a deuce, man?  Those floaties are kinda stinking up the place.
NecroPhile:  'Waaah...  There's turds in the toilet.'  Shut your fucking cunt mouth you crybaby.

Aaaaand, <scene>.

[DildoKKKobold]

Funny you should say that because I've wondered the same about you.  In fact I was just thinking about that yesterday.

I kinda thought that after your "Jesus" question. You go to any of the conventions? We could meet up.

[ToyMachine78]

I like my showers to be not freezing. What's the opposite of freezing? Boiling.

I LIKE MY SHOWERS TO BE BOILING?

NecroPhile, that quite possibly might be the dumbest post you ever diarrheaed out. Bravo. A new low for you, shit for brains.

How to Argue Like NecroPhile

1. Be dumb as fuck.
2. Use strawman. If someone says that the quality of life shouldn't depend on strangers, they actually want them to live like royals.
3. Call them cunts if they show empathy, because that's what a man would do.
4. Use logical fallacies.
5. Say a bunch of stupid, ignorant claptrap, and then pretend the other person is the dumb one.

I can't argue with this dumb fuck anymore. Have a good one.

Edit:

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-06/national-15-minimum-wage-is-trouble?cmpid=yhoo&ref=yfp
This article is a good read on why $15 minimum on the federal level is a bad idea.

My only real problem with this is if we do away with a federal minimum wage, there will be no stopping places like Mississippi or Oklahoma in doing away with it at all. Look at Brownback's Kansas. Pro-business conservatives have no problem killing their local economy for short term (and short-sighted) gains. That said, $15 nationwide might be too tough for places with weaker economies. Only numbers will be able to tell that much.

I have a feeling you like your showers golden.

Back away from the kool aid glass man. You've had enough

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[Nazi NecroPhile]

Pure gold, Jibba. 


Anyways, back to refuting the notion that earning minimum wage means you're dead broke, living a horrible life, and no better than gulag prisoners.



According to this, minimum wage does keep you from living in a van down by the river if you're single.  It's not too terribly far off if you have one kid to support (and would've stayed above the line if minimum wage were tied to inflation), but it's not even close if you've more kids or are also married.  If both parents are in the picture and able to work, however, you're right back above the line unless you have five+ kids.

Exactly how much is enough for those arguing for a substantially higher minimum wage?  Is it staying above the $18k line for three mouths, or should it be $23k to keep those with four above it?  What if someone has three kids, which is certainly not unreasonable?

[thesteve]

for years i was making around $20/hr working 40-60 hr/week and couldnt pay the utilities and buy food
meanwhile food prices continued to rise to meet the gov provided food subsidies that i didnt qualify for
the biggest issue was the costs related to housing (rent/mortgage , power, water, garbage) as they were rising extremely fast while income was not
after losing job things got better as i was able to convert my 401K into lower living costs but had to remain jobless for a few tax cycles to offset the tax costs of dumping the 401K
now that i have hedged i could live comfortably on a $10-$12/hr wage and even be able to have savings
the big difference is what was credit based is now all cash, cutting my costs in half

[CGQuarterly]

for years i was making around $20/hr working 40-60 hr/week and couldnt pay the utilities and buy food
meanwhile food prices continued to rise to meet the gov provided food subsidies that i didnt qualify for
the biggest issue was the costs related to housing (rent/mortgage , power, water, garbage) as they were rising extremely fast while income was not
after losing job things got better as i was able to convert my 401K into lower living costs but had to remain jobless for a few tax cycles to offset the tax costs of dumping the 401K
now that i have hedged i could live comfortably on a $10-$12/hr wage and even be able to have savings
the big difference is what was credit based is now all cash, cutting my costs in half

Mind if I ask where you were living?  $20 per hour is $40k per year if you work a standard 40 hour work week, and you said that you worked more.  I live in California, and if I were single, I could easily get by on $40k.  Mind you, I would live in an apartment instead of owning a house, but thats OK with me...

[thesteve]

in cali
family of 5 to 7 depending on year
started at $10/hr fam of 2, 3hr commute back in the 90s and had no issue then, my housing related costs went up fast between 98 and 2004 and then food did

[MotherGunner]

Living in Cali sucks.  Can't wait to leave...

[thesteve]

cali isnt too bad once you get away from the cities