She's joined us in the outside world

[OldRover]

Update:
They finally got ahold of the social worker who met with us on Sunday in the hospital. The case has been cleared, all they're going to do now is a follow-up at our home. So now, we're simply waiting for clearance from the pediatrician. Of course, another problem sprang up...they put Luna on a five day antibiotic treatment. WHAT THE FUCK. And they did it without our consent, then conveniently forgot to tell us until a day later. However, the nurses are all telling them to release her earlier. The ped might be forced to bend to the pressure and release Luna earlier than Friday. Anyways, she got a single dose of penicillin (wtf? to administer it this early causes penicillin allergies in many, many children!) and a five-day "plan" of another antibiotic (my guess is amoxycillin, wifey wasn't sure which one it was but this sounds the most likely). So great...setting our daughter up for a lifetime of allergies. Wonderful. I only hope that she is strong enough to resist it...but she should be, considering she was full-term and is very healthy.

My wife and I are good friends with a woman who is not only an MD but also a doula and a childbirth education specialist. She has also given birth at home, and apparently more than once. We're going to see what she suggests, since she's got a lot more experience in this kind of thing than us.

[T2KFreeker]

Just remember, you give good Karma and you get it back.

In this case they gave the Nod family shit, so they should throw it right the fuck back.  Preferably mixed with high velocity lead. 

It will work out man, just have faith and be positive and seriously assertive when need be. Rover is good people, I am sure all will be fine. I'm trying to send positive energy since I was a bit of a pain as I hadn't realized things were on this level. I have to try and make up for it somehow. I'm saying I hope that everything works out well in the end.

[OldRover]

T2K, no worries, all's good.

Small update: Wifey just called to have me come pick her up so she can come home and prepare her milk pump. Luna's finally been removed from the incubator and placed in a regular bassinet. Looks like the hospital stay is coming to an end at long last.

[Golgo13]

Good for you Rover, now with this behind you, you can enjoy your new baby girl. - ICEMAN

[Windancer]

Sorry about my rant but I did get mad over this. They also feed me a big line of crap while doing the chemo I do. Anyway Hope everything goes well for you and your family from here on out and you guys stay cool.  Get that Lawyer though. I would not hesitate. someone has got to pay. whether its for putting someone behind bars or for the money. Go and at least see one and see what a lawyer says at the consultation. Lawyers are also another beast but I think you guys have something here.

[Sinistron]

(wtf? to administer it this early causes penicillin allergies in many, many children!)

Probably what happened to me.  I am allergic to anything ending in 'cillin'.  I hallucinated for weeks straight when I was younger after taking penicillin.  I saw clay figures running around sticking their tongues out at me, matchstick soldiers with bayonettes guarding the couches, giant spiders between desks, popsicle sticks raining down from the ceiling, rainbows where rainbows shouldn't have been, you name it.  Even after they sent me back to school here and there I'd see something for up until a few days later.  Sounds like fun- but when you're a little kid it was anything but- was pretty fucking scary.

[Ceti Alpha]

(wtf? to administer it this early causes penicillin allergies in many, many children!)

Probably what happened to me.  I am allergic to anything ending in 'cillin'.  I hallucinated for weeks straight when I was younger after taking penicillin.  I saw clay figures running around sticking their tongues out at me, matchstick soldiers with bayonettes guarding the couches, giant spiders between desks, popsicle sticks raining down from the ceiling, rainbows where rainbows shouldn't have been, you name it.  Even after they sent me back to school here and there I'd see something for up until a few days later.  Sounds like fun- but when you're a little kid it was anything but- was pretty fucking scary.

Holy crap Sin. That would have been nuts.  Though the matchstick soldiers sound pretty cool. 

[guyjin]

T2K, no worries, all's good.

Small update: Wifey just called to have me come pick her up so she can come home and prepare her milk pump. Luna's finally been removed from the incubator and placed in a regular bassinet. Looks like the hospital stay is coming to an end at long last.

Healthy babies shouldn't be in incubators. So either that doctor is comitting some serious malpractice, or your baby isn't as healthy as you think.

[OldRover]

We're discovering that malpractice runs rampant in that particular hospital. They've committed dozens of mistakes with us alone, let alone the mistakes they've made with others I've spoken with while waiting around in the waiting rooms of the hospital. We're trying as hard as we can now to get Luna released from the hospital, as they've already screwed up too many times.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Give 'em nine millimeters of persuasion, and I'm not talking about what's in my pants.

[albinoMithos]

Give 'em nine millimeters of persuasion, and I'm not talking about what's in my pants.

 

Or a foot up their collective ass becuase this whole situation is bullshit.

[guyjin]

Give 'em nine millimeters of persuasion, and I'm not talking about what's in my pants.

I would hope you have more than 9 millimeters in your pants.

[Joe Redifer]

I bet you would hope that.  (Sorry, couldn't resist).

[OldRover]

A foot up their collective asses is in order, and someone's powdering that foot as we speak. Many people know about what's going on now, and lots of people are pretty pissed off, including our doctor friend...hell, even the woman who's handling our mortgage is in the know now. Also, the scheduled release date is Saturday, but if the attending ped that was there on the night of admission is there tonight, and if the blood culture test results are back and are all negative as they should be, the chance of her being released tonight is very high.

Oh and believe me...the idea of nine millimeters has gone through my head, but my daughter doesn't need to grow up with a hardened criminal for a father.

[CrackTiger]

Wow, I hadn't checked this thread in a couple days. All I can say is that I'm very sorry that this very important moment of your life has been marred by this incident. I hope that everything works out as well as it can.

[MissaFX]

Motherfuckers!  Who reported this?  You have to be able to find out.

Yes, giving antibiotics to an infant, in my personal opinion, is irresponsible at the very least and malicious at the worst.  People should be able to have a natural birth if they want to, but I strongly caution you to have a midwife next time, just incase something goes wrong.  At least where I live midwifes are discoverable as long as you seek out the hippy type pople

Back to the people who did this to you though, once you find out who they are, you could go over to their house with a few cigars and some flowers.  Then get yourself in the door, share the cigars and tell them you have a new daughter.  Then tell them you just came over to give them these flowers, "I'd like you to have them to remember this occasion" you can say as you excuse yourself.

Oops, my evil side got out again there.

I triely hope everything turns out ok for you though Rover.  I really do.  Just because some people are ignorant does not mean you, your wife or your daughter should suffer.  *hugs*

[Tom Phobos]

Hey Rover,

first of all congrats to your new family member I'm curious when it's the first time she says "PC-Engine" or "Turbo Grafx"

Sure, the bad thing is that actually you have such a trouble. I really hope that you find the people who cause this trouble to you and let them pay for that 

I hope that everything will turn ok to you, so you and your family can enjoy your new baby

[OldRover]

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=929259

My wife posted this thread and has generated quite the stir. We've been getting lots of ideas as to how to proceed from here. So, our plan for today is to go and see the procurator first thing in the morning, and then contact the lawyer that our doctor friend has recommended, a lawyer who has a lot of experience in these kinds of cases. From there, depending on the outcome of these two contacts, we'll either go back to the hospital for an AMA, or bring the lawyer along for a little legal mayhem. Either way, we're going to get our daughter back today come hell or high water. and then...whoever ran their mouth in this neighborhood...is in for a pretty savage beating.

[termis]

Wow, I have to say your wife's account of the story is more upsetting than how you put it. 

I can't really give much help other than try to focus on the positive out of the whole ordeal -- congrats once again to the both of you for the healthy baby girl.   

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I would hope you have more than 9 millimeters in your pants.

Oh yeah, it's at least ten, maybe even eleven.

Either way, we're going to get our daughter back today come hell or high water. and then...whoever ran their mouth in this neighborhood...is in for a pretty savage beating.

Good luck escaping the hospital today.  Give Nosy McNosersen a punch in the neck for me.

[OldRover]

Update:
We got ahold of the procurator, who instructed us to contact the medical director at the hospital, which we then did. It seems that we were screwed either way...you see, in Puerto Rico, the state has way too much power. If we had refused the ambulance on Sunday, they would have taken our daughter by force the next day and we'd not see her again for a long time, which means she'd be fucked for life. But since we went along with their bullshit, we get our daughter back earlier. But regardless, because of one mouthy motherfucker, we have lost all control of our daughter's health until the pediatrician releases her. We can't do AMA because the state doesn't allow for it...once she was admitted to the hospital, we lost all parental rights (with the exception of vaccines, since that's a federal law and supersedes any PR laws). Well, the culture results come back tomorrow, and if they check out, the pediatrician will release her at 3PM. Of course, if they come back with problems, she has to stay longer, and there's nothing we can do about it because Big Brother says no.

They claim that on Tuesday, she developed an infection on her back. Wifey changed her diaper on Wednesday and saw no such problem (although we weren't told about said problem until just today). Furthermore, according to our doctor friend, what she had was more than likely caused by fungus (likely from improper handling of their linens). It could have been bacteria or fungus, but bacteria is ruled out due to the antibiotics...which, in turn, allowed the fungus to attack her. That's yet another fuckup stacked onto our growing case.

But there exists a silver lining. The hospital is not supposed to allow any harm to come to our child, since she became a ward of the state as soon as I signed that admission paper. So if anything happens to her, the state takes it out on the hospital, Therefore, we will get our daughter back...she won't get sold off on the black market (which happens a LOT down here), and she won't mysteriously develop a fatal illness (which tends to happen here too). However, that protection comes at a price...we have no rights to our child until the hospital releases her. Double-edged sword I suppose, but at least we know they can't make our daughter disappear.

[MrFulci]

Rover,

Why didn't you have a midwife, or similar licensed person, present during the birth?

Anytime I've heard of someone doing the home birth, they had someone of that sort present.

I've never heard of someone having issues you're having when the birth was at a birthing center.

It seems to me, this hassle could have been avoided if you looked into local laws. Did you research local laws prior to the home birth?

[Joe Redifer]

What is a midwife?  Are they the wife that you get to boink when your normal wife is pregnant and unboinkable?

[OldRover]

Rover,

Why didn't you have a midwife, or similar licensed person, present during the birth?

Anytime I've heard of someone doing the home birth, they had someone of that sort present.

I've never heard of someone having issues you're having when the birth was at a birthing center.

It seems to me, this hassle could have been avoided if you looked into local laws. Did you research local laws prior to the home birth?

Well, I WAS the midwife...well, the midhusband. The problem came from someone calling 911 reporting domestic violence, and compounded by an inept hospital. The laws of the land do not prohibit home birthing...we're pretty well-informed on the legal status of everything we've done. The only thing we didn't know about, since we had no idea we were going to be ripped from our home, was how the state government can rape you of your parental rights. We had prepared for everything we knew to prepare for, which all revolved around the safety of my wife and child. We had no idea we were going to be violated. Furthermore, they broke the law...they had no physical evidence whatsoever, so they had no real reason to take us...all they had was the bullshit rambling of a psychotic old coot.

Joe, a midwife is a birthing specialist who assists in delivery of your child. They are typically female, but there are a few midhusbands as well.

[MrFulci]

I don't recall you mentioning the domestic violence in the earlier posts, though mayeb I missed it.

You may have acted as the midwife, but do you have any experience as one, other than for your wife?

I have a feeling had a certified midwife been present, you may not have had the issues you have now. If there was a call of domestic violence, I'm sure the midwife could have had somethign to say also.

If the laws in your area are that no licensed/certified midwife/nurse/whomever be present, than you should have been left alone that night.

My only stance on things of this sort, is unless you live VERY close to a hospital ro doctor, it is a GOOD IDEA to have someone with medical or birthing CERTIFICATION at, or nearby. Also, many birthing centers are located inside, or not too far from hospitals. Shit happens, some births have complications. It's a good idea to have someone nearby who can help.

It sounds like quite a hassle you have to deal with, so I won't go on anymore about how things "Could have" been done.

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To derail this thread a bit...

Rover, from this thread, and other posts of yours, I see you are one of the "All natural" types. It's a good idea to limit your exposure to chemicals when you don't need to be around them, however it's impossible to avoid everything. Your Turbo grafx and PC Engine more than likely have flame retardants in the plastic. Same goes for your matress, sofa, etc.  Reminds me of this article I once posted abotu why SNES' turn yellow; Fire retardant, hahaha - http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/189

Anyway, the derailing has to do with some of what you've said concerning vaccines. From what I've read, Thimersol isn't in ALL vaccines, and some it was never present. http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

I'm glad there are vaccines. Polio, Mumps, and many others could still be very prominent in every day life if there were no vaccines. Chicken Pox, Measles, Mumps etc many children "Get over", however hearing some man talk about how mumps made him infertile, and he wasn't too happy about it.... I'm glad there is a mumps vaccine. Seeing consequences for polio....

I still deal with vaccinations now. Every 10 years or so a Tetanus booster. Hepatitis A I didn't exactly NEED, however it was good to have. If an AIDS vaccination comes along, you can stick me with that one! Herpes vacciantion? If one happens, I'll get jabbed with it also!

Vaccinations have their place. There are risks, no vaccine is 100% safe, information sheets usually make notice fo the slight chance of itching, fever, death, etc.

Vaccinations have done a lot of good.

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[OldRover]

Update:
We found out tonight that they have expedited the paperwork, and our daughter will be released at 11AM tomorrow. They have to do a PKU test in the morning but that's it. Neither my wife nor I have PKU problems, and since it must be inherited from both parents, the chance of her having it is zero percent. Anyways, we believe that the doctor, who is the most ignorant sack of shit I have encountered in years, has caught on...I think he knows now that my wife is far more educated than the average mother and isn't actually believing the bullshit that's been coming out of his mouth. That's why the paperwork process has been sped up considerably and they gave us a definite time of release rather than just saying that it would be 3PM unless the culture tests come back with problems. The culture test results aren't even back yet, and they're doing the paperwork already? Hrm...someone smells blood in the water and wants to wash their hands of us as soon as possible.

When I get a chance, I'll write out for you guys all the fun, ignorant things the doctors and even some of the nurses have said to us. Those of you in the know will find them quite humorous.

MrFulci: Whatever lets you sleep at night.

[OldRover]

Update:
We got our daughter back at long last. They managed to piss off my wife one last time by lying to us yet again...apparently, social services still had to clear her release and hadn't done it yet. So, we had left the hospital in a rage, headed for home. A few minutes later, they called us up and told us that they had cleared the case and that our daughter could be released. So a little after 2PM, she was finally freed from the grip of this sadistic, ignorant, and antiquated malpractice shop they call a "hospital". She's now home with us, safe and sound.

Tonight, we will find out just who the fuck made that phone call and whatever happens from there happens. On Monday, we'll be in touch with the procurator and possibly the lawyer, and we'll be getting her medical records (they weren't open today...how convenient, it gives the hospital all weekend to make changes to Luna's medical records).

Let the blood bath begin.

[nectarsis]

Mails Rover a CASE of pointy sticks 

[albinoMithos]

Let the blood bath begin.

Take no prisoners and shred their asses good Rover!!!!!!!!! 

[Odonadon]

Update:
We got our daughter back at long last. They managed to piss off my wife one last time by lying to us yet again...apparently, social services still had to clear her release and hadn't done it yet. So, we had left the hospital in a rage, headed for home. A few minutes later, they called us up and told us that they had cleared the case and that our daughter could be released. So a little after 2PM, she was finally freed from the grip of this sadistic, ignorant, and antiquated malpractice shop they call a "hospital". She's now home with us, safe and sound.

Tonight, we will find out just who the fuck made that phone call and whatever happens from there happens. On Monday, we'll be in touch with the procurator and possibly the lawyer, and we'll be getting her medical records (they weren't open today...how convenient, it gives the hospital all weekend to make changes to Luna's medical records).

Let the blood bath begin.

Holy shit dude, PD mentioned this on the FU forum and I had to come here (first time in about 5 months! ).  I am so happy you got your daughter back, that's some scary crap.

OD

[MissaFX]

Any updates Rover?  Any you can legally talk about at least   I hope it is all working out for you.

*hugs*

[Ceti Alpha]

Update:
We got our daughter back at long last. They managed to piss off my wife one last time by lying to us yet again...apparently, social services still had to clear her release and hadn't done it yet. So, we had left the hospital in a rage, headed for home. A few minutes later, they called us up and told us that they had cleared the case and that our daughter could be released. So a little after 2PM, she was finally freed from the grip of this sadistic, ignorant, and antiquated malpractice shop they call a "hospital". She's now home with us, safe and sound.

Tonight, we will find out just who the fuck made that phone call and whatever happens from there happens. On Monday, we'll be in touch with the procurator and possibly the lawyer, and we'll be getting her medical records (they weren't open today...how convenient, it gives the hospital all weekend to make changes to Luna's medical records).

Let the blood bath begin.

Holy shit dude, PD mentioned this on the FU forum and I had to come here (first time in about 5 months! ).  I am so happy you got your daughter back, that's some scary crap.

OD

Good to see you Odanadon.