So all saturn games have like tripled in price or what?

[Arkhan Asylum]

Did you just diss Rayearth.

I will kill you

[CrackTiger]

The Shining Force III games are as good as it gets and alone justify having a Saturn to play them. In this day and age, it's easy enough to get a system that plays cdrs, so there's no reason to complain about prices.

[SignOfZeta]

The Sega Saturn is one of those consoles I now semi- discourage people from getting into. While price is definitely a factor, I think on one hand you have arcade ports that can just as easily be emulated in MAME or were ported to the PS1; and on the other, you have weird exclusives that, with a couple of shining exceptions (but not the SAT Shining games, all of those suck), don't stand up to Sega exclusives on the Genesis and Dreamcast.

I've sold a large portion of my collection over the years, because there are only so many early, ugly 3D games you can stomach, only so many mediocre Working Designs titles you can suffer through*, and unless you've got a crowd of friends, those fighting games aren't doing you any favors by themselves. There's obviously good games on the console, but this is a case where you can literally afford to be picky.

I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get fucknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"

... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.

I try to psychologically exploit this in bidders when I list auctions on ebay. I gotta make money and it ain't my fault that people can't control themselves. 

*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.

You're saying that the Saturn is only good for (now) dated 3D and stuff you can get in MAME? Is that actually what you are saying?

Because that's kinda fuct. That's the sort of joke someone would base a fake Twitter account on to crank "humor" out of every day.

[tknjin]

The Sega Saturn is one of those consoles I now semi- discourage people from getting into. While price is definitely a factor, I think on one hand you have arcade ports that can just as easily be emulated in MAME or were ported to the PS1; and on the other, you have weird exclusives that, with a couple of shining exceptions (but not the SAT Shining games, all of those suck), don't stand up to Sega exclusives on the Genesis and Dreamcast.

I've sold a large portion of my collection over the years, because there are only so many early, ugly 3D games you can stomach, only so many mediocre Working Designs titles you can suffer through*, and unless you've got a crowd of friends, those fighting games aren't doing you any favors by themselves. There's obviously good games on the console, but this is a case where you can literally afford to be picky.

I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get fucknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"

... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.

I try to psychologically exploit this in bidders when I list auctions on ebay. I gotta make money and it ain't my fault that people can't control themselves. 

*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.

You're saying that the Saturn is only good for (now) dated 3D and stuff you can get in MAME? Is that actually what you are saying?

Because that's kinda fuct. That's the sort of joke someone would base a fake Twitter account on to crank "humor" out of every day.

I agree with Zeta.  There are so many fantastic 2D games on the saturn.  Astal is one of those games that I love dearly because of its atmosphere and just the surrealness.  There are also a lot of arcade ports that definitely play better on the saturn than the PS1.  Such as the Xmen games, capcom games, and such.  There are only certain exceptions such as the donpachi and dodonpachi, and kaitei daisensou/in the hunt are the ones that play better on the PS1.  When you play most of the arcade ports on the saturn you definitely notice a significant difference because of the power of the 1meg and the 4meg ram carts.  It was very much a mini arcade machine in it of itself.  While it may be hard to collect for now, but they have a great repertoire of hilariously great games on the system.

[Gredler]

I love my saturn, I agree dragon force is my favorite game and I think the best on the system, but there are a a good amount of great exclusives on the system.

[TDIRunner]

I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get fucknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"

... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.

Stop fucking bidding and buy the other ones!

I can't think of how many times I was bidding on shit and just said "nope" and did a BIN on another auction.

This is why I encourage people to start their auctions with low starting bids.  If you WANT to sell a game for $50 and start it at $0.99, you will more than likely get more money for it than if you start it at $45.  People see cheap starting bids and think it's their chance to finally get it cheap.  But eventually the bids start adding up and people get too caught up in the mind set that they don't want to loose it by a dollar so they keep bidding and suddenly they could have bought a BIN for less money.

[Gentlegamer]

The world would be a better place with $0.99 starting bid no reserve auctions.

[SignOfZeta]

The Sega Saturn is one of those consoles I now semi- discourage people from getting into. While price is definitely a factor, I think on one hand you have arcade ports that can just as easily be emulated in MAME or were ported to the PS1; and on the other, you have weird exclusives that, with a couple of shining exceptions (but not the SAT Shining games, all of those suck), don't stand up to Sega exclusives on the Genesis and Dreamcast.

I've sold a large portion of my collection over the years, because there are only so many early, ugly 3D games you can stomach, only so many mediocre Working Designs titles you can suffer through*, and unless you've got a crowd of friends, those fighting games aren't doing you any favors by themselves. There's obviously good games on the console, but this is a case where you can literally afford to be picky.

I like when auctions have a BIN that goes away if bidding starts, and you get fucknuts that see a sane BIN, go "im going to try getting it cheap!"

... and then contribute to the bid war that shoots it up 20-30$ more than the BIN.... while more are listed with the cheaper BIN price.

I try to psychologically exploit this in bidders when I list auctions on ebay. I gotta make money and it ain't my fault that people can't control themselves. 

*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.

You're saying that the Saturn is only good for (now) dated 3D and stuff you can get in MAME? Is that actually what you are saying?

Because that's kinda fuct. That's the sort of joke someone would base a fake Twitter account on to crank "humor" out of every day.

I agree with Zeta.  There are so many fantastic 2D games on the saturn.  Astal is one of those games that I love dearly because of its atmosphere and just the surrealness.  There are also a lot of arcade ports that definitely play better on the saturn than the PS1.  Such as the Xmen games, capcom games, and such.  There are only certain exceptions such as the donpachi and dodonpachi, and kaitei daisensou/in the hunt are the ones that play better on the PS1.  When you play most of the arcade ports on the saturn you definitely notice a significant difference because of the power of the 1meg and the 4meg ram carts.  It was very much a mini arcade machine in it of itself.  While it may be hard to collect for now, but they have a great repertoire of hilariously great games on the system. 

You're kind of proving his point with all the arcade stuff...

But Astal was never in the arcade. Neither was Guardian Heroes, Policenauts, Shining Force, Bomberman SS, Lenos 2, Six Man Scramble, Lunar, Radient Silvergun (MAME/STV version lacks MANY improvements made for Saturn), Silhouette Mirage, The Apocolypse IV, Three Dirty Dwarves, Wachenroader...

I specifically didn't mention the ton of Neo/CPS2 games because they play in MAME even though home versions are often improved upon considerably (SFZ3) and I also avoided games that existed as nearly identical versions on older machines (Polcenauts excepted because nobody wants to maintain a 3DO for that) or games that eventually received superior remakes on DC (Sakura Wars 1 and 2). I even left out some stuff that's probably just too dated in general but was rad at the time, like Super Robot Wars F/F Final and the Daisenryaku titles. And I left out all the crusty 3D, even though I still very much enjoy some of it like Megamix, Last Brox, Sonic R, and the entire Panzer series.

It's a great machine with tons of software. This guy is nuts or he just doesn't have any taste.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Magic Knight Rayearth
Shining the holy Ark
Panzer Dragoon
Virtual Hydlide Fuck All Of You
Tomb Raider
Astal
LinkleLiver Story
there's a bunch of cool shit that's not an arcade game.

Saturn is great.

Fuck yeah Saturn.

[wildfruit]

The world would be a better place with $0.99 starting bid no reserve auctions.

This
I dream of this every day.

[johnnykonami]

*sans Dragon Force. The ONLY good WD release on the Saturn.

Woah woah woah!  Iron Storm, Sega Ages, and MKR are all good too!

[esadajr]

no denying the Saturn was home to a lot of excellent games. Should a sane person pay outrageous $ for shinny (and not so) original discs? Hell no.

[Gredler]

Magic Knight Rayearth
Shining the holy Ark
Panzer Dragoon
Virtual Hydlide Fuck All Of You
Tomb Raider
Astal
LinkleLiver Story
there's a bunch of cool shit that's not an arcade game.

Saturn is great.

Fuck yeah Saturn.

I agree, fuck yeah saturn. Growing up and chasing the dragon of final fantasy tactics I loved Mystaria and Shining Force III (never bought it though, so I don't own that beast of a game).

I also loved action RPGs so you can add legend of oasis and shining wisdom to that list. Wisdom was weak, but still a lot of fun.

And I really enjoyed albert odyssey too - I thought it was awesome.

Galactic Attack was one of the only 32 bit shooters I had for a long time, and grew a great fondness for it.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would think that the saturn is weak, even when limiting it to exclusives and not ports - but ports included it's leagues better than the contemporaries aside from ps1. Was n64 better? really? or 3do? wait.. isn't jaguar in this same era? come on, be realistic.

[Gentlegamer]

Keep talking about the good games, I'm getting my modded Saturn soon and need games to burn.

[ginoscope]

Keep talking about the good games, I'm getting my modded Saturn soon and need games to burn.

If you like resident evil games get Deep Fear on saturn.   Came out in Europe and Japan but there is a NTSC prototype that runs great on a US system.  I have always liked this game because it reminds me of the movie the Abyss.  The voice acting is super bad and overall a good RE clone.

[exodus]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but:

yes, saturn games have gone nuts. My last 3 times to japan, the shelves have practically been bare. there's just no product left in the country. I have generally gotten good deals across the years, and never got rid of much, but everything is going for crazy amounts. I wanted to get Powerslave a bit ago, and I saw it for $60 on amazon and thought, "eh, do I want it that badly?" Well, now it's $300.

Saturn and PC Engine are both rising to astranomical prices, probably due to the fact they weren't that popular, and have gotten discovered by collectors in the last 5 years.

[SignOfZeta]

When I was importing great SS and PCE games for less than $1 each I sorta wondered if this would eventually  happen...and it did. They ran out.

[TheClash603]

Everyone needs be be loading up on PS3 and 360 games now, before the inevitable, "have all PS3 and 360 games tripled or what?" thread in 2022.

The key is to buy stuff because it is good and not because everyone else is buying it.  There is also a sweet spot when a system is no longer the new thing, but isn't nostalgic yet.

I loved Saturn since my rich friend got one for Christmas at launch.  I finally got mine two years after him and I picked up a game or two every month for a decade, mostly everything dirt cheap.  I actually played Sonic R yesterday and out of the game came a EB receipt for $6 brand new, August 22, 1999.

[BlueBMW]

Despite its clunky controls I really like Sonic R...

"Livin in the city...!"

[Gredler]

The key is to buy stuff because it is good and not because everyone else is buying it.  There is also a sweet spot when a system is no longer the new thing, but isn't nostalgic yet.

That nail's head has to be in a lot of pain from hitting it so hard.

Only a couple games I've had to pay even close to MSRP + Inflation for my nostalgic tickles, and the ones that are higher than that then boo hoo I have to play a backup/emulated version if I really want to play it.

I do think often there are just so many games it's hard to you are missing a current game you might enjoy, so by the time you find out about it it's already expensive.

[SignOfZeta]

What I'm collecting now: CD. Audio CD. It's a scene of almost no $$$ worth whatsoever despite the fact that it's objectively the best music format ever. Everyone dumped it for MP3 and now wax...which is hilarious to me because people did the exact opposite of that in the 80s and 90s.

There are about 100 CD singles I didn't get in the 90s because US stores wanted $13 for a £3 CD and I could only afford so many when being fleeced like that. Now they are all $1. It can only go up.

[SignOfZeta]

I do think often there are just so many games it's hard to you are missing a current game you might enjoy, so by the time you find out about it it's already expensive.

During the PS2 era this was certainly the case, and it's a serious issue with the web stores for iOS and Nintendo. With physical releases now though I'd say it's pretty easy to keep track since almost everything sucks ass.

[esteban]

What I'm collecting now: CD. Audio CD. It's a scene of almost no $$$ worth whatsoever despite the fact that it's objectively the best music format ever. Everyone dumped it for MP3 and now wax...which is hilarious to me because people did the exact opposite of that in the 80s and 90s.

There are about 100 CD singles I didn't get in the 90s because US stores wanted $13 for a £3 CD and I could only afford so many when being fleeced like that. Now they are all $1. It can only go up.

Plus, so many albums have been re-released with bonus tracks (from singles/EPs...demos....love shows)... I am thinking about buying these re-releases if they are cheap enough...even if I own the original release.

Yeah, I have problems.

I should buy albums I have never owned.

[SignOfZeta]

Yeah, some really great 2CD reissues of things have turned up in recent years. That's probably the stuff that will be much harder to find in the future compared to the early recordings though since sales have been so bad for CD recently. Shit from 1996 got stamped in ridiculous quantities though.

[ClodBusted]

Regarding Audio CDs, you guys are so right. For a decade now, I'm trying to gather 2nd hand CDs of music I like, and even some new releases get cheap within months.

If an album gets re-released in re-mastered form, I usually try to get the original vintage release instead. Blame it on the fear of loudness war.

Also, I sometimes treat me to some used vinyl records, but that's only for fun. They need to be so dirt cheap that I don't care if one of the purchases begins to skip on my record player setup.

Edit: Regarding the Saturn, mhm... On the one hand, this is a console I'd like to get my hands on, because the hardware appearance looks pretty nice, and there are some exclusive titles I'd like to play. On the other hand, I already own some multiplatform titles like Konami's shooters for the PS1, so there's no real need for me to get into Saturn gaming.

I got Radiant Silvergun for Xbox 360. Honestly, I suck hard at this game and lost interest soon, so it is good that I paid just a few bucks for it.

[tknjin]

Regarding Audio CDs, you guys are so right. For a decade now, I'm trying to gather 2nd hand CDs of music I like, and even some new releases get cheap within months.

If an album gets re-released in re-mastered form, I usually try to get the original vintage release instead. Blame it on the fear of loudness war.

Also, I sometimes treat me to some used vinyl records, but that's only for fun. They need to be so dirt cheap that I don't care if one of the purchases begins to skip on my record player setup.

Edit: Regarding the Saturn, mhm... On the one hand, this is a console I'd like to get my hands on, because the hardware appearance looks pretty nice, and there are some exclusive titles I'd like to play. On the other hand, I already own some multiplatform titles like Konami's shooters for the PS1, so there's no real need for me to get into Saturn gaming.

I got Radiant Silvergun for Xbox 360. Honestly, I suck hard at this game and lost interest soon, so it is good that I paid just a few bucks for it.

I can see what ya mean in that case.  I would definitely emulate it first just to see if it is up your alley.

Here are some saturn exclusive stuff that you could at least try out and see if you like it.  Legend of the Oasis/The story of Thor 2, Astal, Tryrush Deppy, Super Tempo, ninpen manmaru, linkle liver story, nanatsu kaze no shima monogatari, Shinrei Jusatsushi Taroumaru, crows, groove on fight, soukou seitokai.  These are a few games that never got ported or put to anything else.  I could have mentioned some others, but they have been on other platforms such as the fighters, and some of the taito games like liquid kids/mizubaku daibouken.

[SignOfZeta]

I'll always have a Saturn for Guardian Heroes, Deathtank Zwei, and Bomberman SS. Those three games are easily enough.

[KnightWarrior]

Did guys hear about Pseudo Saturn?

[xcrement5x]

The modded flashcart thingy right? 

[esadajr]

Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.

Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works,  but you loose backup capabilities).

[KnightWarrior]

That why you buy another Cart

I hope no one is taking adventage and flashing Cart & jacking the price up

[xcrement5x]

Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.

Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works,  but you loose backup capabilities).

Modchips are not yet extinct.  There is a gent on Assembler who sells phenomenal chips that are made of new parts, work with all laser/mobo types, and are super easy to install.  I highly recommend him.

[ginoscope]

My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out. 

I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games.  I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.

[TDIRunner]

My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out. 

I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games.  I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.

Curious to see how you like it.  I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.

[Gredler]

Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.

Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works,  but you loose backup capabilities).

Modchips are not yet extinct.  There is a gent on Assembler who sells phenomenal chips that are made of new parts, work with all laser/mobo types, and are super easy to install.  I highly recommend him.

Please pm me more info. I love my model 1 Saturn but can't afford games for it lol

[ginoscope]

My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out. 

I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games.  I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.

Curious to see how you like it.  I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.

Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install.  The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images.  I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.

[esadajr]

Yup, and it works. A great choice since modchips are pretty much extinct.

Your choice of using a cheapie gameshark (no extra ram) or an AR cart (extra ram works,  but you loose backup capabilities).

Modchips are not yet extinct.  There is a gent on Assembler who sells phenomenal chips that are made of new parts, work with all laser/mobo types, and are super easy to install.  I highly recommend him.

Just saw the thread, wow. Glad to see these exist, are still being made and are super affordable.

[TDIRunner]

My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out. 

I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games.  I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.

Curious to see how you like it.  I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.

Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install.  The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images.  I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.

Good to hear.  Do you know if anyone has developed a menu system for it yet the way they did for the GDEMU?

[ginoscope]

My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out. 

I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games.  I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.

Curious to see how you like it.  I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.

Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install.  The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images.  I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.

Good to hear.  Do you know if anyone has developed a menu system for it yet the way they did for the GDEMU?

Yes, some guys on assembler made a menu and it works great.  You just add it as the first folder in your sd card.  System boots and auto shows the menu.  When you select a game it reboots the system and starts the game.  It works really well.

[TDIRunner]

My Rhea came in today so I am very much looking forward to installing and trying that out. 

I've owned a modded Saturn for over 10 years but never built up a huge library of games.  I may end up selling it since the gray Saturn I got for the Rhea looks much nicer than my old model 2.

Curious to see how you like it.  I want to order one eventually, but happy with my mod chip for now.

Very happy with the Rhea it was super easy to install.  The only part that is tedious is converting the discs to cdi images.  I tested out games with fmv and everything seemed to work as expected and it's so quiet with no moving parts.

Good to hear.  Do you know if anyone has developed a menu system for it yet the way they did for the GDEMU?

Yes, some guys on assembler made a menu and it works great.  You just add it as the first folder in your sd card.  System boots and auto shows the menu.  When you select a game it reboots the system and starts the game.  It works really well.

Cool.  I'll definitely have to pick one up one of these days.