Hate that awful Master System?

CrackTiger · 03/28/2007, 07:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/28/2007, 02:54 AMHere is a Fantasy Zone comparison video in the sophisticated and elegant "WMV" format which was invented by Thomas Edison's reanimated corpse:

Click here to download!!! 7 Megs or so.

Had to record to videotape, sorry. I'll be damned if I lug my game systems upstairs to the computer.

Awesome. You should make more game videos with captioned commentary. Port comparisons or otherwise.

Quote from: Keranu on 03/28/2007, 06:35 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/28/2007, 02:54 AMHere is a Fantasy Zone comparison video in the sophisticated and elegant "WMV" format which was invented by Thomas Edison's reanimated corpse:

Click here to download!!! 7 Megs or so.

Had to record to videotape, sorry. I'll be damned if I lug my game systems upstairs to the computer.
Sorry, Joe. Even though, as usual, I highly appreciate your efforts, I'm gonna have to sorta disagree with you on this one, yeeeaaahhhh. I thought the NES version looked and sounded better. I couldn't really tell the choppiness, I'll just play it in an emulator some time.

Keranu, either you're as nutz as your love of cheez would lead many to believe or I'm insanely blinded from a lifetime of SMS + Fantasy Zone love, because to me both the graphics and music are way better on SMS.

The NES version actually looks like a GameBoy/Color port(even though my memory places it prior to the invention of GBC technology). Anyone know if it is, regardless of whether or not a GB version was ever released?

Altered Beast NES really looks like a hokey GB port.

At the very least, Opa Opa's incorrectly colored NES sprite is sacralege.

Quote from: Xiphas on 03/28/2007, 05:00 AM
Quote from: stevek666 on 03/28/2007, 01:46 AMMKII, SFII -- were these officially released for NES?
No. They are bootlegs.

Yeah, but I believe that the MKII NES bootleg would've been a port of the official Gameboy Color version, so its as close as an official port would look. "Street Fighter IV" NES actually turned out way better than I thought Capcom would've done an official port back in the day.

Joe Redifer · 03/28/2007, 07:51 PM

The voices on the SMS version of Street Fighter 2 are pretty impressive. And it only has 6 mega power! How big is the biggest NES game? I know there are at least a couple SMS games with 8 mega power!

Keranu · 03/28/2007, 08:31 PM

Just played Fantasy Zone on NES and SMS emulators and I still stand by my opinion... sort of. The sprites definitely look much better on the SMS version, but I think the backgrounds in the NES version look a tad better. Music wise, I'm not now and never was fond of SMS' sound, so I think the NES version sounds a lot better.

CrackTiger · 03/28/2007, 08:47 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 03/28/2007, 08:31 PMJust played Fantasy Zone on NES and SMS emulators and I still stand by my opinion... sort of. The sprites definitely look much better on the SMS version, but I think the backgrounds in the NES version look a tad better. Music wise, I'm not now and never was fond of SMS' sound, so I think the NES version sounds a lot better.

Other than Fantasy Zone being an early SMS game, its also limited to being a port of the arcade original. Take a look at Fantasy Zone 2 to see how a SMS FS game should look. And if you're using an emulator, trying it with and without fm sound.

Keranu · 03/28/2007, 09:04 PM

I'm well aware of what the SMS can handle, but that's not the point. My point was how I simply thought the NES version looked a little better and sounded better. Hardware wise, I wouldn't dare say NES was more powerful

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OldRover · 03/28/2007, 09:38 PM

Sheesh, do I need to do another side-by-side, but of SMS vs NES this time?

Kitsunexus · 03/28/2007, 09:46 PM

No offense, but who cares? People should be lucky they GOT an arcade port for each system. Back then, players were WELL taken-care of, they were mostly ensured they would get a port no matter what system they gamed on. Nowdays, if they even BOTHER to port an arcade game, you get whatever system the arcade translates to best (IE: Most SEGA arcade games use 360 hardware now, meaning only 360 gets the ports).

Ironically, I actually find us OLDSCHOOL gamers more spoiled and jaded, because hell we were! Game companies actually GAVE A SHIT back then! Nowdays it's "we need your cash, not you".

So instead of arguing which port was better (which I will admit, is compelling) just think about the time when you could be a SMS fanboy, and when a rival system owner taunted you with a game you "weren't" getting, you could counter-retort "Au contraire, my friend", likewise for other systems.

Joe Redifer · 03/28/2007, 10:18 PM

Keranu, you really need to play on a real TV. Why? Because the NES version flickers its dithered graphics like crazy, since that's what dithered graphics do on the NES. But the SMS can be hooked up to component. So it is only fair if you have the NES hooked up via RF and the SMS hooked up via component. With emulators it is not fair. But did you notice the left side of the screen in the video? How it kept going CHOP CHOP CHOP? It's hard to see on the WMV video since WMV is so awful (Quicktime kicks its ass 6 ways from Sunday), but it's there.

Keranu · 03/28/2007, 10:22 PM

Joe, didn't you learn that flickered dithering doesn't bother me from that huge AV thread ;) ? I just found the graphics to look a little better in the NES version, no big deal

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Kitsunexus · 03/28/2007, 10:22 PM

Quicktime kicks it's ass how? I agree that WMV is a shit format, but QT is a spyware-infected system resource hogging shitfest.

Give me MPG4 anyday.

And the NES probably flickers because it has a cheapass PPU.

Keranu · 03/28/2007, 10:24 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 03/28/2007, 10:22 PMQuicktime kicks it's ass how? I agree that WMV is a shit format, but QT is a spyware-infected system resource hogging shitfest.

Give me MPG4 anyday.

And the NES probably flickers because it has a cheapass PPU.

I agree. I hate both formats, but man I really can't stand Quicktime.

Joe Redifer · 03/28/2007, 10:51 PM

Quicktime = spyware? You'll have to explain that one. Please provide evidence.

Keranu typically hates anything that is good.

Kitsunexus · 03/28/2007, 11:00 PM

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2171378/mac-users-delivered-quicktime

It's supposedly been fixed, but since an Apple box keeps popping up in Firefox asking me to install it, I HIGHLY doubt this.

Keranu · 03/28/2007, 11:02 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/28/2007, 10:51 PMKeranu typically hates anything that is good.

I don't hate pie.

Joe Redifer · 03/28/2007, 11:27 PM

That looks more like an exploit to me. Anyway, from the article you linked to:

Quote from: The articleApple said that the vulnerability does not affect Windows users or versions of Mac OS prior to 10.4.

On my Windows computer Quicktime NEVER has "Apple boxes" popping up asking me to install something that I already have. I'd try one of two things: TOTALLY remove Quicktime from your computer or get a serial number for the PRO version. They are all over the internet.

Hobo Xiphas · 03/28/2007, 11:52 PM

Who the hell uses the official players for the various video codecs anyways? That's pretty silly.

As a codec, both are alright I guess. If I had a choice, I would pick something MPEG based, but it's really not that big of a deal unless you are a A\V nerd.

Joe Redifer · 03/29/2007, 02:10 AM

Quicktime offers a billion different codecs and WMV probably offers a few as well (not sure). H.264 with AAC audio is the best way to go. VLC media player is a good one that can play most formats.

Kitsunexus · 03/29/2007, 10:55 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/28/2007, 11:27 PMThat looks more like an exploit to me. Anyway, from the article you linked to:

Quote from: The articleApple said that the vulnerability does not affect Windows users or versions of Mac OS prior to 10.4.
On my Windows computer Quicktime NEVER has "Apple boxes" popping up asking me to install something that I already have. I'd try one of two things: TOTALLY remove Quicktime from your computer or get a serial number for the PRO version. They are all over the internet.

It's an update box...not an installer, my bad.

Joe Redifer · 03/29/2007, 07:22 PM

Go into your preferences (or whatever they call them on Windows) and tell it to NOT check for updates.

OldRover · 03/29/2007, 09:53 PM

I'm definately an A/V nerd, and I prefer any MPEG format over both the QuickTime formats (.mov/.qt/.whateverelsetheyhave) and WMV (fuck DRM).

Kitsunexus · 03/29/2007, 09:55 PM

Everyone knows Realmedia is the best.

Tatsujin · 03/30/2007, 01:17 AM

VLC is amazing, it plays almost anything even it's corrupted, it tries to play it as far as it's possible.

Joe Redifer · 03/30/2007, 03:42 AM

Oh god REALmedia sucks so much ass. I do not care for MPEG 1 either. Even at its best settings it looks gawdawful and takes up a HUGE amount of file space. MPEG4 is da bomb, even though it really is only a container format like Quicktime. When either Quicktime or MPEG4 is using H.26motherfuckin'4 along with AAC audio, the world kicks so much ass! Seriously, life CAN'T get better! If it weren't for the H.264 and AAC combination, I'd invent a time machine so I could go back and prevent myself from being born, as life wouldn't be worth living.

Hobo Xiphas · 03/30/2007, 04:50 AM

I don't think the master system can play any of those formats

Turbo D · 03/30/2007, 07:06 AM

Quote from: Xiphas on 03/30/2007, 04:50 AMI don't think the master system can play any of those formats

LMAO

Nazi NecroPhile · 03/30/2007, 09:45 AM

Quote from: Xiphas on 03/30/2007, 04:50 AMI don't think the master system can play any of those formats

Maybe, with a couple dozen more Mega Power and Blast Processing........

Screw y'all - HuVideo is the absolute ultimate format! Discussion Over!

Kitsunexus · 03/30/2007, 11:11 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/30/2007, 03:42 AMOh god REALmedia sucks so much ass. I do not care for MPEG 1 either. Even at its best settings it looks gawdawful and takes up a HUGE amount of file space. MPEG4 is da bomb, even though it really is only a container format like Quicktime. When either Quicktime or MPEG4 is using H.26motherfuckin'4 along with AAC audio, the world kicks so much ass! Seriously, life CAN'T get better! If it weren't for the H.264 and AAC combination, I'd invent a time machine so I could go back and prevent myself from being born, as life wouldn't be worth living.

You'd kill yourself over a video format!?

Joe Redifer · 03/30/2007, 01:41 PM

Of course I would. Duh! You're trying to tell me that you wouldn't? I don't know of anyone who wouldn't. I've done it a few times before.

I think the SMS is limited to wimpy-ass XVID or DIVX (which are the same as each other, only backwards).

esteban · 03/30/2007, 04:43 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 03/30/2007, 11:11 AMYou'd kill yourself over a video format!?

Been there. Done that.

nat · 03/30/2007, 05:36 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/30/2007, 01:41 PMOf course I would. Duh! You're trying to tell me that you wouldn't? I don't know of anyone who wouldn't. I've done it a few times before.

I think the SMS is limited to wimpy-ass XVID or DIVX (which are the same as each other, only backwards).

IIRC the SMS uses AVI.

Kitsunexus · 03/30/2007, 05:44 PM

I thought that SMS used FLI coupled with streaming AU for video...