Space Fantasy Zone - No end in sight?

cosmos99 · 05/01/2010, 05:14 PM

Yes i was talking about this other forum members. Yet analysing things would be of interest but remain the problem : why it works fine in an emulator ??? In an emu there's no problem , why only with real hardware ??? The truth is out there...

And curiously the anime4ever guy no more reply now.... does he fear a "bulk" refund ?

nat · 05/01/2010, 07:37 PM

It's really quite strange, and it's a pretty big flaw considering the price the guy charges for it. I'm not surprised he's stopped responding.

cosmos99 · 05/02/2010, 01:40 AM

Sure. Do you have time and are you equiped to burn discs ? I noticed some difference between the 2 version , 2 audio tracks are shorter on the "retail"(tracks 6 & 7 - especially track 6) , also the TOC(table of content) is slightly different , it would be interresting to burn the retail with the proto TOC just to see ,and why not also the cue file , those are just 1 byte so could be sent by e-mail. I checked the 2 data tracks ,they are same length.If you're OK to burn , use Turborip first.

cosmos99 · 05/02/2010, 12:58 PM

The guy just answered me , he was busy , he told me he would do some tests with different versions he has.

esteban · 05/02/2010, 03:44 PM

The saga continues...

Who will send me the prototype and "retail" discs so I can test this on a SuperCD-Rom2?

cosmos99 · 05/04/2010, 02:34 PM

The "retail" version is still for sale if you want it.

"retail"'s TOC is

Track 01 Audio 00:02:00 LBA=000000
Track 02 Data 00:49:65 LBA=003590
Track 03 Audio 01:14:72 LBA=005472
Track 04 Audio 04:33:14 LBA=020339
Track 05 Audio 06:09:70 LBA=027595
Track 06 Audio 09:23:65 LBA=042140
Track 07 Audio 09:28:67 LBA=042517
Track 08 Audio 09:36:47 LBA=043097
Track 09 Audio 12:54:06 LBA=057906
Track 10 Audio 15:49:25 LBA=071050

Leadout: 17:02:42 LBA 076542

(supposed) proto TOC is :

Track 01 Audio 00:02:00 LBA=000000
Track 02 Data 00:49:65 LBA=003590
Track 03 Audio 01:14:72 LBA=005472
Track 04 Audio 04:33:14 LBA=020339
Track 05 Audio 06:09:70 LBA=027595
Track 06 Audio 09:23:65 LBA=042140
Track 07 Audio 09:29:67 LBA=042592
Track 08 Audio 09:37:72 LBA=043197
Track 09 Audio 12:55:31 LBA=058006
Track 10 Audio 15:50:50 LBA=071150

Leadout: 17:03:67 LBA 076642

nat · 05/04/2010, 09:30 PM

It doesn't seem like a TOC inconsistency would affect anything but audio if the data track is identical and located at the same place in both. This is extremely strange.

cosmos99 · 05/05/2010, 08:47 AM

I will try to burn different "mixes" between the 2 versions,one with the other's TOC for example , i want to know where the problem is. According to what the guy told me ,there's been no changes to the data track. May be just the fact to burn it again on another media would make it work ? This could be just the media , wich would explain why it works on a PC and not on a Duo ??? Can you please show me your TOC nat ?

cosmos99 · 05/07/2010, 01:06 PM

First test : changing the TOC , i'm not doing audio tests for now(remember the audio was corrected) , i've burned a RW and it's fine with magic engine , let's go for real test !

Done ! Still no ending...

Oh! I've forgotten the basic test: just burn the "retail" myself and see...

Result: no ending too !

What should i do now ? Changing the cue file ? Is it read by the cd player or is it just read by the burner ?

Well ,next step , changing the data track , it was supposed to be the same as prototype , all i know is that they are exactly the same lenght...

Result: guess what.... again no ending...

nat · 05/07/2010, 09:32 PM

The CUE file is only used by the burner as a guide as to where to place things on the disc. Try changing the CUE file in the "retail" version to match the CUE for the "proto," burn, and then give that a try on the real system.

cosmos99 · 05/09/2010, 03:35 AM

OK i will try this !

cosmos99 · 05/09/2010, 07:23 AM

Well that is not possible ! I obtain an error message with cdrwin :Error: invalid cuesheet command at line 1 unable to find or open file.

I will redo the data track exchange because i don't know if i had put back the "retail"'s TOC or left the "proto" one. And last test will be to exchange all of the audio tracks,at least those that show a difference,track 6&7 only.

cosmos99 · 05/09/2010, 08:27 AM

Ah ah ! Now i know where's the trouble !

Emperor Udan · 05/10/2010, 04:39 PM

Wow congrats!

At last the game as we want to play.
So what was the deal?

cosmos99 · 05/10/2010, 05:47 PM

Audio tracks 6 & 7 are the problem ! Why ? I don't know... Now would someone burn the "retail" with the "proto" 6 & 7 tracks and play again to tell me if any difference appears especially with audio(or anything else) ? Because what we finally get is the "proto" with a bad TOC and a different CUE... Nat ?

henrycsc · 07/11/2010, 02:47 PM

This may be old news. I recall that even though the game

Take The 'A' Train III / A. III A列車で行こうIII

is listed as a Super CD Rom, It will not play in a US system with a super system card. I was even told this by the seller BITD so I got it for next to nothing since I couldn't play it.

I haven't tried it in my TGCD with a kisado and the PCE super system or arcade card.

Were there other games that had this problem?

Quote from: guest on 02/02/2010, 05:36 PM
Quote from: cosmos99 on 02/02/2010, 05:26 PMWhat do you mean ? Do you know that some CD games won't work well depending of the system region ?
Which ones? I've heard of system card incompatibilities, of course, but I don't recall hearing of any region troubles.

rag-time4 · 07/11/2010, 03:07 PM

Quote from: cosmos99 on 05/10/2010, 05:47 PMAudio tracks 6 & 7 are the problem ! Why ? I don't know... Now would someone burn the "retail" with the "proto" 6 & 7 tracks and play again to tell me if any difference appears especially with audio(or anything else) ? Because what we finally get is the "proto" with a bad TOC and a different CUE... Nat ?

Any updates on this fix?

Mathius · 09/25/2010, 02:08 AM

Did that guy just fall off the face of the Earth? What a cliffhanger ending!

SignOfZeta · 09/25/2010, 02:54 AM

Quote from: henrycsc on 07/11/2010, 02:47 PMThis may be old news. I recall that even though the game

Take The 'A' Train III / A. III A列車で行こうIII

is listed as a Super CD Rom, It will not play in a US system with a super system card. I was even told this by the seller BITD so I got it for next to nothing since I couldn't play it.

I haven't tried it in my TGCD with a kisado and the PCE super system or arcade card.

Were there other games that had this problem?

Quote from: guest on 02/02/2010, 05:36 PM
Quote from: cosmos99 on 02/02/2010, 05:26 PMWhat do you mean ? Do you know that some CD games won't work well depending of the system region ?
Which ones? I've heard of system card incompatibilities, of course, but I don't recall hearing of any region troubles.

I wonder if it would play on a US system with a JP Super System Card. The US System card does have some sort of version number or some sort of other self identification unique to itself...I think. Didn't someone prove that?

If so, then technically it still is a System Card incompatibility, and not a region incompatibility.