Dragon Saber....

ddd1234 · 09/05/2011, 04:57 PM

...is the biggest piece of crap ever! No, I am not trash talking for no reason!

-The hit box is ridiculous.

-mandatory hits (Any good shmup does not force you to get hit).

-being stuck in a wall leads to instant death (other GOOD shooters make you invincible, so you can pass through the wall).

-you speed down when your hit! (Good luck at the final boss)

-They do not heal you after you beat a level.

-Some weapons do NOT hurt the boss, unless you in a specific position.

I am a very forgiving person when it comes to old games, and I have beaten the likes of Super Raiden, Rayxanber II, Gradius II and Truxton. But this piece of crap is a chore to play, and the flaws stick out like a sore thumb. I seen a review of this game at GAME DEN, and I can tell you, that guy was not in his senses when he wrote that review. I am guessing he played the first few levels, and made his judgment. But please do yourself a favor, and DO not listen to him! This game is terrible. I can't believe how the likes of Rayxanber and Truxton can get 2-3 star reviews, But this piece of s**t is highly praised. I paid 5 bucks for a mint copy of this, but if anyone wants to take this sh*t off my hands for 1 dollar, I am more than willing.

allyourblood · 09/05/2011, 05:27 PM

Yipes!

Isn't this the sequel to Dragon Spirit? I liked that game okay. Have you tried the two player? Maybe that helps...

thesteve · 09/05/2011, 06:15 PM

pm sent

Bernie · 09/05/2011, 09:06 PM

lol. I actually like this game.

thesteve · 09/05/2011, 09:08 PM

i think i played it once on the arcade and liked it

SignOfZeta · 09/05/2011, 09:10 PM

The things you are complaining about are/were very common among shooters back then. Expect to hate a lot of games.

Mishran · 09/05/2011, 10:37 PM

I own the game and also have to admit it's a tough game, but that is just part of its charm. It's not all that bad. Some games just aren't for everyone. Ballistix might be more suited for ya...

Vecanti · 09/06/2011, 01:02 AM

I like Dragon Saber. Pretty good graphics too and fun to play.

ParanoiaDragon · 09/06/2011, 01:54 AM

I actually like it better the Dragon Spirit, if anything, I think it's easier for my lack of skillz.

Senshi · 09/06/2011, 10:44 AM

I don't think this game is that bad. I'm usually pretty bad at shooters but with a little practice I was alright at this one. What is a mandatory hit? I don't understand the wall thing either. Maybe I just missed this when I was playing it. I think you are upset that it is difficult. I've played other shooters on the pc engine that are much less forgiving than this one. Like Zeta said I think you're going to hate a lot of games on this system, its just part of the times. They extended gameplay by ramping up difficulty.

Dyna138 · 09/06/2011, 11:20 AM

I have Dragon Spirit and I kind of feel you and have similar complaints. My big issue is the dragon is a slow moving big target and speed power-ups are few and far between. Beyond that I think the game is also dull and on the boring side with the music being the only standout. It's a different kind of shooter though so I don't expect it to play like Blazing Lazers or something.

I don't have Dragon Saber, but I've played the first few levels and I think its a lot better than the original. The game seems more fun to play and the bosses are a lot bigger and interesting. I plan on picking it up in the future and giving Dragon Spirit another try.

Nazi NecroPhile · 09/06/2011, 12:19 PM

Ninnypants trolling again?

You're confusing difficulty and being a tad unfair with crap. If you want to see real 'worst episode evah!' shooties, go play something like Toilet Kids or Toy Shop Boys, or just go away. I'm hoping for the latter.

ddd1234 · 09/06/2011, 09:53 PM

QuoteWhat is a mandatory hit?

Littering the screen with bullets in a narrow corridor, and giving you no space to maneuver. This happened to me in the last few levels.

QuoteThe things you are complaining about are/were very common among shooters back then.

I played a lot of shooters, and none of them are as badly designed as this. This is difficult by flawed design, so the player has no choice but to blame the *dumbass* developers for not testing the game.

QuoteExpect to hate a lot of games.

I've beaten 52 Pc-engine shooters (quality ones), and I've beaten the likes of Gaiares (1 credit clear), lightening force, bio-hazard battle, Musha, Granada, Area 88, Gradius 3, Axelay, R-type 3, biometal, and many others. I liked all these these games. I just don't support badly designed games that frustrate the player.

QuoteYou're confusing difficulty and being a tad unfair with crap.

It's a bit of both.

TurboXray · 09/06/2011, 10:28 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/06/2011, 09:53 PMI've beaten 52 Pc-engine shooters (quality ones), and I've beaten the likes of Gaiares (1 credit clear), lightening force, bio-hazard battle, Musha, Granada, Area 88, Gradius 3, Axelay, R-type 3, biometal, and many others. I liked all these these games. I just don't support badly designed games that frustrate the player.

Nintega?

ddd1234 · 09/06/2011, 10:40 PM

Quote from: TurboXray on 09/06/2011, 10:28 PM
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/06/2011, 09:53 PMI've beaten 52 Pc-engine shooters (quality ones), and I've beaten the likes of Gaiares (1 credit clear), lightening force, bio-hazard battle, Musha, Granada, Area 88, Gradius 3, Axelay, R-type 3, biometal, and many others. I liked all these these games. I just don't support badly designed games that frustrate the player.
Nintega?

No friend...I am not Nintenga.

shubibiman · 09/07/2011, 04:37 AM

Quote-The hit box is ridiculous.

Agree with that, even for an oldschool shooter.

Quote-mandatory hits (Any good shmup does not force you to get hit).

I really don't see what you mean.

Quote-being stuck in a wall leads to instant death (other GOOD shooters make you invincible, so you can pass through the wall).

This is quite common in oldschool shooters featuring walls.

Quote-you speed down when your hit! (Good luck at the final boss)

Very common thing.

Quote-They do not heal you after you beat a level.

Quite common even though I agree it's frustrating.

Quote-Some weapons do NOT hurt the boss, unless you in a specific position.

You mean the bombs? Of course you have to hit the target, it's aprt of the gameplay. The game makes you get near the bosses in order to be able to beat them. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Otaking · 09/07/2011, 06:11 AM

Dragon Saber is on my to play list, I've only played into the first couple of levels.
But I've played all the way through Dragon Spirit, I thought that was a good game.

geise · 09/07/2011, 01:19 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/06/2011, 12:19 PMIf you want to see real 'worst episode evah!' shooties, go play something like Toilet Kids or Toy Shop Boys

Oh so now we're hating on real shooters? Bitch, please...

Nazi NecroPhile · 09/07/2011, 01:21 PM

Quote from: geise on 09/07/2011, 01:19 PMOh so now we're hating on real shooters? Bitch, please...

Ya got me. Those two are clearly top notch shooties on par with Soldier Blade and Blazing Lazers.

geise · 09/07/2011, 01:27 PM

You know it! O:)

Senshi · 09/07/2011, 02:51 PM

Don't ever play ninja gaiden

ddd1234 · 09/07/2011, 03:21 PM

Quote from: Senshi on 09/07/2011, 02:51 PMDon't ever play ninja gaiden

Too late, already beaten NG 1-2 on my Nes and NG 3 on my Famicom.

majors · 09/07/2011, 03:24 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/06/2011, 09:53 PMI've beaten 52 Pc-engine shooters (quality ones), ...

You keep a spreadsheet or are you savant?

I'm on team-Spirit/Saber-is-good!

ddd1234 · 09/07/2011, 03:33 PM

Quote from: shubibiman on 09/07/2011, 04:37 AM
Quote-mandatory hits (Any good shmup does not force you to get hit).
Would be nice if you actually read my last post.
QuoteThis is quite common in oldschool shooters featuring walls.
This has hit points. So no excuse for this.
Elemental Master allows you to pass through walls.
So do some shmups that grant temp shields.

QuoteVery common thing.
I don't know what kinda shooters you play, But I never came across a shooter that takes away your speed with damage.
QuoteQuite common even though I agree it's frustrating.
Maybe, although I never came across one like this. But they should have been more generous with health, considering how frustrating the game is.
QuoteYou mean the bombs? Of course you have to hit the target, it's aprt of the gameplay. The game makes you get near the bosses in order to be able to beat them. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I picked up the light blue power up, the one that allows you to shoot homing waves. I could not hurt the boss head on, and I had to stay near the top screen so those stupid waves can hit his weak point. What the heck was that s**t? So stupid, considering I could hurt him head on with any other power up.

ddd1234 · 09/07/2011, 03:35 PM

Quote from: majors on 09/07/2011, 03:24 PMYou keep a spreadsheet or are you savant?

http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/2/29/my-collection--0-0-100-name-asc-0.htm (red dots beside the name indicate that i've beaten the game ON MY system)

Senshi · 09/07/2011, 03:37 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/07/2011, 03:21 PM
Quote from: Senshi on 09/07/2011, 02:51 PMDon't ever play ninja gaiden
Too late, already beaten NG 1-2 on my Nes and NG 3 on my Famicom.

haha....well then you can definitely beat dragon saber I would think.

ddd1234 · 09/07/2011, 03:42 PM

I'll try again. But honestly, these overlooked design flaws have killed my motivation. It will take some time before I consider going back to it.

Tatsujin · 09/07/2011, 08:13 PM

ROLPH!

Arkhan Asylum · 09/07/2011, 08:19 PM

Quote from: Senshi on 09/07/2011, 02:51 PMDon't ever play ninja gaiden

Yeah ninja gaiden wasnt a very good shooter

I mean you can't even fly.

dragon saber is great though. I really like both those games. Haters = sissies.

Senshi · 09/07/2011, 08:56 PM

I mentioned ninja gaiden because it is one of the most unfair games i've ever played. so

Tatsujin · 09/07/2011, 09:45 PM

ganja gayden

ddd1234 · 09/07/2011, 11:09 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/07/2011, 08:19 PM
Quote from: Senshi on 09/07/2011, 02:51 PMDon't ever play ninja gaiden
Yeah ninja gaiden wasnt a very good shooter

I mean you can't even fly.

dragon saber is great though. I really like both those games. Haters = sissies.

The games that i've beaten will make you cry brah.

Tatsujin · 09/07/2011, 11:22 PM

wow, very mighty words there!

spenoza · 09/08/2011, 12:10 AM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/07/2011, 11:09 PMThe games that i've beaten will make you cry brah.

Why? Because they suck? What does that statement even mean, really?

The stuff Dragon Saber does occasionally annoys me, but it's certainly nothing out of the ordinary and was relatively common in many types of games at the time. It's probably good that you haven't played many of those other games, either, given how much those annoyances seem to get to you. I'm sorry you don't like Dragon Saber. It must not be the right game for you. Play something else. I won't hold it against you if you do.

ddd1234 · 09/08/2011, 02:47 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/07/2011, 11:22 PMwow, very mighty words there!

Thank you Truxton.

@Spenoza
No, because they are difficult in a fair way and will not annoy you. Also, you won't have to deal with retarded issues that experienced Shmup developers would not even dare overlook.
In other words, If you lose in a game, you will blame yourself for your incompetence, and not the developers.

Tatsujin · 09/08/2011, 03:24 AM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/08/2011, 02:47 AM
Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/07/2011, 11:22 PMwow, very mighty words there!
Thank you Truxton.

You're welcome

Nazi NecroPhile · 09/08/2011, 09:43 AM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/08/2011, 02:47 AMIn other words, If you lose in a game, you will blame yourself for your lack of incompetence, and not the developers.

Fear not - you'll never have that particular problem.

geise · 09/08/2011, 11:48 AM

I personally like the game. I have played far worse shooters than Dragon Saber. I don't even think Dragon Saber is a bad game, it's just a typical shooter from the late 80's early 90's. I don't blame a game that I have a hard time beating from design flaws. Yeah it affects gameplay, but there should still be a way to beat it. My qestion for the main poster is when did you first start playing shooters? I know I will probably not get a legit answer, but my guess is you started with bullet hell shooters that had super mega tiny hit boxes. Probably a Cave game or some other shooter like Giga Wing or Mars Matrix. Playing games like that and then going to the old school stuff makes people way less forgiving to older shooters.

ddd1234 · 09/08/2011, 01:32 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/08/2011, 09:43 AM
Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/08/2011, 02:47 AMIn other words, If you lose in a game, you will blame yourself for your lack of incompetence, and not the developers.
Fear not - you'll never have that particular problem.

oops...sorry that sounded kinda ridiculous. fixed.

ddd1234 · 09/08/2011, 01:34 PM

Quote from: geise on 09/08/2011, 11:48 AMI personally like the game. I have played far worse shooters than Dragon Saber. I don't even think Dragon Saber is a bad game, it's just a typical shooter from the late 80's early 90's. I don't blame a game that I have a hard time beating from design flaws. Yeah it affects gameplay, but there should still be a way to beat it. My qestion for the main poster is when did you first start playing shooters? I know I will probably not get a legit answer, but my guess is you started with bullet hell shooters that had super mega tiny hit boxes. Probably a Cave game or some other shooter like Giga Wing or Mars Matrix. Playing games like that and then going to the old school stuff makes people way less forgiving to older shooters.

Started with Gate of Thunder, and worked my way through other 16-bit shooters.

Vecanti · 09/08/2011, 01:41 PM

Yeah, I beat Thunder Spirits for the SNES like 6 times, does that give me some cred with you?

ddd1234 · 09/08/2011, 02:33 PM

Quote from: GobanToba on 09/08/2011, 01:41 PMYeah, I beat Thunder Spirits for the SNES like 6 times, does that give me some cred with you?

I never played that one. But Thunder Force III is pretty easy.

Otaking · 09/08/2011, 05:01 PM

ddd1234 I'm suprised you had difficulty with Dragon Saber as just remembered in this thread https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=9450.msg165027#msg165027
you said you clocked Super Star Soldier on your second go of the game.

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/23/2011, 07:17 PMBut i was able to beat SSS on my 2nd go without losing more than 1 life.

Sounds like you have some very impressive Shmup skills, you should put together some Super Play DVDs.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/08/2011, 05:19 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 09/07/2011, 11:09 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 09/07/2011, 08:19 PM
Quote from: Senshi on 09/07/2011, 02:51 PMDon't ever play ninja gaiden
Yeah ninja gaiden wasnt a very good shooter

I mean you can't even fly.

dragon saber is great though. I really like both those games. Haters = sissies.
The games that i've beaten will make you cry brah.

lets see the list, oh ignorant one. I call bullshit.

"LOOK AT ME I BEAT A BUNCH OF GAMES THEREFORE AM HARDCOER AND CAN TELL EVERYONE IM 1337 LOLLOLOL"

I beat all 3 Hydlides. I bet at least one of those will make you cry, BRO.

thesteve · 09/08/2011, 07:05 PM

i remember beating the hydlides

ddd1234 · 09/08/2011, 09:12 PM

Quote from: HardcoreOtaku on 09/08/2011, 05:01 PMddd1234 I'm suprised you had difficulty with Dragon Saber as just remembered in this thread https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=9450.msg165027#msg165027
you said you clocked Super Star Soldier on your second go of the game.

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/23/2011, 07:17 PMBut i was able to beat SSS on my 2nd go without losing more than 1 life.
Sounds like you have some very impressive Shmup skills, you should put together some Super Play DVDs.

But in SSS you do not have to constantly worry about your stupid hit box, so you have more confidence.

@Arkhan Try beating Volfied on one credit (as i did). Than Try beating Gradius III Arcade. : l

PunkCryborg · 09/08/2011, 10:05 PM

Even this might be a difficult game, I has to be possible to master. You know there's some hardcore Dragon Saber nut in Japan that tears it up still

ddd1234 · 09/08/2011, 10:41 PM

Quote from: elabit on 09/08/2011, 10:05 PMEven this might be a difficult game, I has to be possible to master. You know there's some hardcore Dragon Saber nut in Japan that tears it up still

Any videos of this helpless chap playing D.S.?

TurboXray · 09/08/2011, 10:58 PM

Quote from: ddd1234 on 03/23/2011, 07:17 PMBut i was able to beat SSS on my 2nd go without losing more than 1 life.

That is some Rain Man shit right there. So what's the deal then? Dragon Saber's your Achille's heel? All the more reason for you to beat the game. All shmups have cheap parts in them somewhere. I think you're just so used to being badass, that you're mad that this one's got your goat ;)

Keranu · 09/08/2011, 10:59 PM

Isn't Rayxamber II supposed to be like the hardest shooter of them all?