I would like to continue my debate with VestCunt here.

[DeshDildo]

It is selfish of us to be clogging up the N64 price thread with an argument so please indulge me and continue in this thread. 

For a recap this was my my last rebuttal to you.

Mostly this. Also because your questions weren't really questions. If I had a nickle for every time some idiot with two hundred posts tried to turn the tables and accuse me of the same gouging they practice, I'd have a shitload of nickles. Like I said, not everyone tries to exploit their hobby peers for profit.

It is a damn good thing that the post count on an online forum is how a person is measured.  I will remember to put that on my resume' when I am a baller like you.

Since there is no reasoning with you perhaps you could give me some guidance?  I have a great example to give from this weekend.  I walked into a Savers Thrift Store and found a GameCube bundle for $9.00.  The bundle included:
1.) Silver GameCube and all hookups
2.) Wavebird controller and 2 receivers
3.) Loose GBA startup disc (it was in the Gamecube).

I have been wanting a Wavebird for a long time.  And this is finally my chance to own one.  What should I do?  I can tell you what my plan is: 
1.) I will keep the Wavebird
2.) I gave the extra receiver to my friend who had a controller only
3.) I will use the GBA disc as trade bait for something I don't have.
4.) I will list the GameCube on Craigslist for$10.00

I don't see how any of this is wrong but I would surely like you to tell me the right thing to do, so I don't ruin the hobby and continue on with my parasite ways.

Now that I think about it, you are definitely in the minority.  Every single person I know (friend and foe) that collects retro games do some buying/trading/selling on many levels.  I honestly can't think of a single person I know or have talked to at a gaming convention that has followed your methods of:
1.) Only using money earned from providing an important service (work) that doesn't include the buying and or reselling of stuff.
2.) Have a collection of games that were all only purchased when brand new because otherwise you might have to buy an item from a parasite
3.) If there is an item you no longer play or have purchased and decided you didn't like it you either give it away or throw it away.

I commend your purity from videogame sin and hope that you can please give me the input to become good like you.  I really hope to stick around here and gain a large post count so I can fully become a man like you.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

The point VestCunt was making was that you'd buy that lot even if you had no use for any of it.  You'd have bought it to resell (or trade for cash equivalent) for three to five times what you paid, which isn't all that different than any other reseller.  Maybe you don't try to gouge for ridiculous prices, but that doesn't negate the fact that you're a reseller and that for every item you buy to flip, you're removing the opportunity for a real gamer to get it in the wild.

youtube 'tards..... 

[DeshDildo]

The point vestcunt was making was that you'd buy that lot even if you had no use for any of it.  You'd have bought it to resell (or trade for cash equivalent) for three to five times what you paid, which isn't all that different than any other reseller.  Maybe you don't try to gouge for ridiculous prices, but that doesn't negate the fact that you're a reseller and that for every item you buy to flip, you're removing the opportunity for a real gamer to get it in the wild.

youtube 'tards..... 

Believed me, I understand that point.  The counterpoint I am trying to make is that, this is NOT the case 95% of the time.  For instance, most times when Items are purchased at a garage sale, craiglist or a thrift store, it is normally in a bundle.  I buy bundles that have at least one item I want.  What the hell do I do with the rest of the crap I don't want or need.? There is 5% of the time I see a quality item that I do not need but,  I know has value and buy it.  When I do this, I mainly am looking to use it to trade for something I don't have.  For instance, I once bought a single loose copy of Ocarina of Time and traded it for 3 common NES titles I didn't own.  Value wise, I was the loser.  I paid $5 for the Zelda and received about $7.00 in value for the common NES games.  Why wouldn't I just go buy the common NES titles?  The answer is that although they are considered common, they are not usually found in my area (game market around here is getting dry in resale shops).  So I traded a game with a retail value of about $30.00 and got games with a retail value of about $7.00.  I don't see how this should be frowned upon.  Isn't this part of collecting?  If I can't trade something off or sell it on craigslist for cheap then I will try to sell on eBay.  I don't sell a lot on eBay because I absolutely hate packaging and sending stuff.  However, this is still a necessary evil when trading cross country.

My admission to this came to light in the N64 thread because that seems to be what pops up around here the most.  There might be one game or accessory I'm interested in so I buy the bundle.  I may play that item and decide I don't want to keep it.  So what?  Just give it all away?

[esteban]

Desh, I'm not taking sides, but it fundamentally* comes down to this:

Selling/buying/trading can corrupt the thing we love—video games. It always has been this way.

So, it becomes a matter of ethics...how will someone act in a given situation ? what are his/her motivations?

WHEN IS ENOUGH, ENOUGH?!

...most folks "play this game" (acquiring video game objects, AKA "collecting") and never really question (or are too lazy to resist) the whole POKEMON + CAPITALISM angle.

As you said, it just "makes sense" to get rid of bundle leftovers, but you already rationalized buying the bundle in the first place.

NO BUNDLE, NO HASSLE.

...when folks talk about "grabbing trade bait" and "snagging a good deal" and "sucking my left one"...well, it reveals the ugly, non-game-playing side of video games.


PLEASE NOTE:
Vestcunt, myself...we are never going to be happy. 

Also, I wish I had more stuff, too, but I just don't have $$$/time to acquire stuff, so I'm not immune. I wouldn't be wasting my precious time with bundles, but I understand why folks do it. The problem, of course, is once you start getting caught in the cycle of commerce/trade/profit/commerce/Pokemon/trade bait/net gain/net loss/checklist/I've-been-looking-for-this-for-a-long-time/etc.—well, you are caught in it.



* No, it doesn't! since I didn't read a damn thing either of you have written. I just regurgitated some stuff. Thank you. 

[DeshDildo]

Maybe you don't try to gouge for ridiculous prices, but that doesn't negate the fact that you're a reseller and that for every item you buy to flip, you're removing the opportunity for a real gamer to get it in the wild.

Couldn't one look at it as preventing a big-time gouger from getting hands on it? It may still to go to a real gamer, perhaps for several times less $.

From what I've seen of Desh in his posts and actions, he's proven himself not to be a dirty gouger/flipper IMO.  And I'm not just saying that because he gave me a Turbo Play and was a winner in my art contest!  Anywho, i'mma sit this one out and munch on my popcorn happily from the sidelines.

Null, I tried making this point but was then regarded as a self proclaimed savior, saving the game market from higher prices.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Couldn't one look at it as preventing a big-time gouger from getting hands on it? It may still to go to a real gamer, perhaps for several times less $.

That argument applies to anyone: Desh buys something at $5 to flip for $10, saying at least he's not Fred who'd flip it for $15; if Fred gets there first, he'll say at least I'm not George who'd flip it for $20; etc.  There's always someone greedier, but the fact remains that when any one of these guys gets something, it means the guy that wants it just to play will have to pay more to buy it.

From what I've seen of Desh in his posts and actions, he's proven himself not to be a dirty gouger/flipper IMO.

I wouldn't say he's a dirty gouger, but there's no denying he's a flipper; he's said flat out that he funds his gaming habit almost entirely on flipping.

The counterpoint I am trying to make is that this is NOT the case 95% of the time.

Is that because most stuff sold at garage sales and on craiglist is either in bundles or if single is already too expensive to flip without resorting to gouge jobs?  Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.

[esteban]

Maybe you don't try to gouge for ridiculous prices, but that doesn't negate the fact that you're a reseller and that for every item you buy to flip, you're removing the opportunity for a real gamer to get it in the wild.

Couldn't one look at it as preventing a big-time gouger from getting hands on it? It may still to go to a real gamer, perhaps for several times less $.

From what I've seen of Desh in his posts and actions, he's proven himself not to be a dirty gouger/flipper IMO.  And I'm not just saying that because he gave me a Turbo Play and was a winner in my art contest!  Anywho, i'mma sit this one out and munch on my popcorn happily from the sidelines.

Null, I tried making this point but was then regarded as a self proclaimed savior, saving the game market from higher prices.

It's bogus.

NO BUNDLE, NO HASSLE. (Amazing!)

NO NEED FOR IT? ...NO PURCHASE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! (Damn!)

"TOO GOOD TO PASS UP?" —suck my left one, instead. You can pass on it.

HONEST QUESTION: I never checked to see if this was FIGHTING STREET, but that is where my heart is right now (I'm just ranting).

APOLOGIES if I offended anyone (not just you Desh) 

Yes, we are all friends.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

APOLOGIES if I offended anyone (not just you Desh) 

You've offended me by not posting a new TurboDoodle! 

[DeshDildo]

NO BUNDLE, NO HASSLE. (Amazing!)

NO NEED FOR IT? ...NO PURCHASE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! (Damn!)

"TOO GOOD TO PASS UP?" —suck my left one, instead. You can pass on it.

HONEST QUESTION: I never checked to see if this was FIGHTING STREET, but that is where my heart is right now (I'm just ranting).

APOLOGIES if I offended anyone (not just you Desh) 

Yes, we are all friends.

You have offended no one (except NecroPhile).  I was only offended by vestcunt bringing my integrity into question.  I'm not someone who tries to advertise "helping out" but, I just think of all of the times I have given stuff away to people or given someone something to complete their collection with no strings attached.  I hoped that they would do the same and pay it forward. 

As far as your comment Esteban, I have a problem.  It's an addiction.  I am addicted to buying and playing video games.  The first step in recovery is to admit the problem.  I admit the problem but I just can't say no.  For instance, if I wanted a spare N64 controller I could go to a shop and spend $12.00 on one.  Or I can find an N64 bundle for $20.00 that includes am extra controller.  I then have extra items I may try or trade.  That's part of the fun.

[EvilEvoIX]

I'd like to continue all my arguments in here as well....


   The fact of the matter is that the PCE, or the Turbo Grafx 16 as you guys State side may remember it being called, is not a true 16-Bit machine and is in fact 8-Bit so it can't possibly compete with the likes of a Sega Genesis or a Super Nintendo which in essence are true 16-Bit machines.  Don't even get me started on multi-plane scrolling.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Heh, trolly gonna troll.

[bob]

necro...PLEASE do something about him.  this is just blatant ass-hattery right there.

Desh, i frequent my local savers.  I hate these stories.
similar, i just saw a GC at mine with the gba player attached and all cords for $10.  left it right there since i have one.
Also, a SNES with cords for $15.  left it right there because, well, its an SNES.
99% of the crap i find for cheap i pick up for raffles here.

also, post count has ZERO correlation with status/rep around here.  (look at HTT, case in point)
Some of the folks i respect most around here are way under 1000 posts.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

necro...PLEASE do something about him.  this is just blatant ass-hattery right there.

'Tis Fighting Street.  No rules (almost) and no moderation.

[EvilEvoIX]

I mean it is a competent 8-Bit machine, certainly the best 8-Bit home console made in terms of power and color, it just isn't quite 16BIT, and as we know 16BIT's is 8Bits more, nearly twice the power and the strength.  This is why most games look 8BIT albeit very colorful and very little animation.  To the untrained eye it looks like a massive leap from the NES/SMS era as well it can put up well over 400 colors Vs the NES's measly 24 on screen but once you actually kick in some true 16BIT power the 8Bitness shows within the Turbo Grafx 16.

And for my closing arguments?  Earthworm Jim, thank you.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Standard evo regurgitation trolling.  *yawn*

[DeshDildo]

necro...PLEASE do something about him.  this is just blatant ass-hattery right there.

Desh, i frequent my local savers.  I hate these stories.
similar, i just saw a GC at mine with the gba player attached and all cords for $10.  left it right there since i have one.
Also, a SNES with cords for $15.  left it right there because, well, its an SNES.
99% of the crap i find for cheap i pick up for raffles here.

also, post count has ZERO correlation with status/rep around here.  (look at HTT, case in point)
Some of the folks i respect most around here are way under 1000 posts.

I agree with you100%.  If it wasn't for at least one item I wanted mixed in with the GameCube stuff I probably would not have bought it.

[EvilEvoIX]

I mean Earthworm Jim!!!!  Did you even see how amazing it is?  The animation alone would melt the 8BIT Processor and then throw in epic chip tunes and fast paced 16BIT action and it's over, no contest.  I agree that 8-Bit style games would work better one the TG16 than Tru 16BIT machines as it has an 8Bit processor Vs asking a tru 16BIT machine to slow down so much to handle a lesser game.

[NightWolve]

This thread got interesting... Heh.

[EvilEvoIX]

Also the 8BIT TG16 only came with a 2 button controller because at the time an 8BIT processor could only handle a D-Pad and two buttons.  NEC tried to mask this issue by including turbo switches but we pretty much knew what was going on.  Later games finally bowed to the 6 Button controller for the Japanese release Street Fighter 2 but it cause massive slow down.  To get around this slowdown use a typical 2 button controller but then fighting is really hampered by so few buttons.

I still like the system, very colorful and all but decidedly 8-Bit.

[EvilEvoIX]

8BIT

[DeshDildo]

necro...PLEASE do something about him.  this is just blatant ass-hattery right there.

Desh, i frequent my local savers.  I hate these stories.
similar, i just saw a GC at mine with the gba player attached and all cords for $10.  left it right there since i have one.
Also, a SNES with cords for $15.  left it right there because, well, its an SNES.
99% of the crap i find for cheap i pick up for raffles here.

also, post count has ZERO correlation with status/rep around here.  (look at HTT, case in point)
Some of the folks i respect most around here are way under 1000 posts.

I agree with you100%.  If it wasn't for at least one item I wanted mixed in with the GameCube stuff I probably would not have bought it. 

Next time you guys come across these killer cheap lots, keep me in mind, k?  Don't just stroll on by. ):  Some of us live in podunkville, where you just don't find vidya games.

You PM me a list of crap you want and I'll stay on the lookout.  I do plan to use my parasite powers to gouge you on price though.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

It may be only 8-bit, but can you imagine how fast it'd be with a wing?

[NightWolve]

Hahahahaha!

[EvilEvoIX]

It may be only 8-bit, but can you imagine how fast it'd be with a wing?

I thought that they fixed that issue with the PC-Engine-Shuttle?

[esteban]

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That wing is so aerodynamic, I just can't stop staring at it.

[EvilEvoIX]

Wings by definition are Aerodynamic.  They aid in lift or downforce.  What they can't do however is increase the Bitness of a processor although that didn't stop NEC from trying with the PCE shuttle.  My god Nulltard you have got a LOT of time on your hands, how homoerotic.  You practice often painting men in the nude?

[wildfruit]

Paint my wild fruit

[CrackTiger]

I'd like to thank Desh for using Fighting Street for its intended purpose.

[EvilEvoIX]

Nah, you're the first.  I'm just damn good.  Everyone is good at something, you know?  Kind of like how you're good at hijacking a thread to pretend that you know what you're talking about when it comes to processors and bits and whatnot.  ( ;

Also, you never thanked me for the free portrait, man.  My feelings have been hurting all this time. ) :

Fair enough, you are certainly a better artist than me that's for sure, it's just a very, um, well, to each his own and what ever turns you on artistically hey who am I question ones life choices or look down upon them.  Should I be worried or flattered you spend so much time "Re-Imagining" of what I look like naked.  Obviously this has never happened before and certainly not with this much furvor.

[EvilEvoIX]

Nah, you're the first.  I'm just damn good.  Everyone is good at something, you know?  Kind of like how you're good at hijacking a thread to pretend that you know what you're talking about when it comes to processors and bits and whatnot.  ( ;

Also, you never thanked me for the free portrait, man.  My feelings have been hurting all this time. ) :

Fair enough, you are certainly a better artist than me that's for sure, it's just a very, um, well, to each his own and what ever turns you on artistically hey who am I question ones life choices or look down upon them.  Should I be worried or flattered you spend so much time "Re-Imagining" of what I look like naked.  Obviously this has never happened before and certainly not with this much furvor.

Admit it... you've spilled seed to that drawing more than once!   I know I sure have. 

I may admit to leaking some clear fluid but not willing to admit it was that picture that made me do it.

[ToyMachine78]

Desh VS. Vestcunt. FIGHT!

[ToyMachine78]

I think a lot of people do this. I have. I've bought several lots of nes and Genesis games. I claim what I want and eBay the rest. Not gouge prices, but fair prices. I use the money to buy more games.

Shoot, I just traded Galam a nice CIC Tiger Road, from a lot I bought way back when, for a CIC Genny Earthworm Jim. So some of it even stays in the community.

[DeshDildo]

I think a lot of people do this. I have. I've bought several lots of nes and Genesis games. I claim what I want and eBay the rest. Not gouge prices, but fair prices. I use the money to buy more games.

Shoot, I just traded Galam a nice CIC Tiger Road, from a lot I bought way back when, for a CIC Genny Earthworm Jim. So some of it even stays in the community.

Thanks for the admission.  I'm glad to know I'm not the only parasite.  Maybe we could become parasite pals!

P.S. Earthworm Jim is the best.  I've had my copy since it came out on the Genny.  It just might be one of my favorite platformer/run and guns of all time.  I have the 2nd one on SNES and I just can't seem to get into it as well.

[ToyMachine78]

I think a lot of people do this. I have. I've bought several lots of nes and Genesis games. I claim what I want and eBay the rest. Not gouge prices, but fair prices. I use the money to buy more games.

Shoot, I just traded Galam a nice CIC Tiger Road, from a lot I bought way back when, for a CIC Genny Earthworm Jim. So some of it even stays in the community.

Thanks for the admission.  I'm glad to know I'm not the only parasite.  Maybe we could become parasite pals!

P.S. Earthworm Jim is the best.  I've had my copy since it came out on the Genny.  It just might be one of my favorite platformer/run and guns of all time.  I have the 2nd one on SNES and I just can't seem to get into it as well.

I don't consider myself a parasite. Nor am I ashamed or embarrassed for the practice. I wouldn't have as many Turbo/PCE games if I didn't do this.

[NightWolve]

That is pretty good! I didn't realize you had tried to match his face till he made the crack about you painting men in the nude, I glanced at it too quickly.

[HailingTheThings]

also, post count has ZERO correlation with status/rep around here.  (look at HTT, case in point)

Haha, I-I-I know, rrright?!?

...fucking skag.

*sigh*

 

[esteban]

Bottom line: suck my left one.

[HailingTheThings]

Bottom line: suck my left one.

Okay!

[synbiosfan]

Bottom line: suck my left one.

Okay!

It sounds like you've made up

[HailingTheThings]

Bottom line: suck my left one.

Okay!

It sounds like you've made up

Joking, right? I could never be mad at esteban, way too cute. :3

[esteban]

Hugs for everyone.

[synbiosfan]

Joking, right?

Yes.

I could never be mad at esteban, way too cute. :3

I'll take your word for it I've never been able to judge guys, we all look like shit to me.

[geise]

Wow...this thread sure is a continued debate with vestcunt.

[BlueBMW]

Has vestcunt even arrived?

[esteban]

HahajhajajjajaDAMN.

[tggodfrey]

This thread has more fail in it than Evo's weight loss program.

[EvilEvoIX]

This thread has more fail in it than Evo's weight loss program.

I've actually lost a lot of weight recently, I can post some pics if you'd like?

[NightWolve]

Heh, that Mike Chang guy I believe.

[seieienbu]

...why does the trick have to be evil?

[synbiosfan]

...why does the trick have to be evil?

Why? Why? Because dominatrixes make mad cash compared to nice tricks!