AES or MVS?

[o.pwuaioc]

The major reason i am anti-AES is the boots.

I am not totally opposed to paying a high price for an AES game, but I am 90% that all of the high priced games out there now are fake.  That is the one reason I refuse to pick up Sengoku 3 to complete my beat-em-up collection, I fear being swindled.

SuperD, that's very nice1

Nah, there are no boots. Btw, I have a US Aero Fighters 3 AES I'd like to sell you. $30,000 OK?

[pulstar]

Nah, there are no boots. Btw, I have a US Aero Fighters 3 AES I'd like to sell you. $30,000 OK?

Don't joke about things like that. Someone might think you're serious and offer you a cash deal

[BigusSchmuck]

Wow, just looking at the price list of the AES games makes you wonder who on earth has thousands of $$$ to get some of these games? That's insane..

[TheClash603]

Nah, there are no boots. Btw, I have a US Aero Fighters 3 AES I'd like to sell you. $30,000 OK?

Don't joke about things like that. Someone might think you're serious and offer you a cash deal

Damn, wish it weren't a joke.

[bartre]

man, retro gaming in general is pretty much a joke these days.

i fucking hate nerds.

[o.pwuaioc]

Nah, there are no boots. Btw, I have a US Aero Fighters 3 AES I'd like to sell you. $30,000 OK?

Don't joke about things like that. Someone might think you're serious and offer you a cash deal

Damn, wish it weren't a joke.

Ya really don't:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?236232-The-Final-Chapter-of-the-Fake-Aerofighters-3-I-Need-your-help-%28-NGDEV-TEAM-161-in1-ETC%29

[bust3dstr8]

As stated, it's a bit too late to get into the AES game for normal people.  Haven't bought a new cart in roughly 4 years or so...   I love the shooties.




And the Slugs, gotta have the Slugs!



I have quite a few more, these are all old pics.

Wow...nice collection there SuperD. How many of your Realdollz did you need to sell for it...two?...or all three?

[ToyMachine78]

Nah, there are no boots. Btw, I have a US Aero Fighters 3 AES I'd like to sell you. $30,000 OK?

Don't joke about things like that. Someone might think you're serious and offer you a cash deal

Damn, wish it weren't a joke.

Tell me about it.... That's prob the ultimate gouge on eBay. The videogame X dude that has 2 metal gear bundles for sale... One for 1 million, and the complete anthology for 1.9 million. WTF!?

[Medic_wheat]

Nah, there are no boots. Btw, I have a US Aero Fighters 3 AES I'd like to sell you. $30,000 OK?

Don't joke about things like that. Someone might think you're serious and offer you a cash deal

Damn, wish it weren't a joke.

Tell me about it.... That's prob the ultimate gouge on eBay. The videogame X dude that has 2 metal gear bundles for sale... One for 1 million, and the complete anthology for 1.9 million. WTF!?

He must think he has the next first apperance of superman f video games to sell the masses

[Joe Redifer]

I played both of the Sonic Wings games on the Neo Geo CD. They were the epitome of average. Absolutely nothing special or noteworthy about them. Even the music sucked. The average SNES shooter is much better.

[o.pwuaioc]

I played both of the Sonic Wings games on the Neo Geo CD. They were the epitome of average. Absolutely nothing special or noteworthy about them. Even the music sucked. The average SNES shooter is much better.

I thought they were better than average. I really liked the first one on the SNES, though. So much action and no slowdown.

[Niko49]

As a neo-geo guy I want to clear a few things up from this thread.

1.) If you go MVS, try to avoid 4 and 6 slot boards. They are notorious for issues, especially the 6 slot boards.
2.) MVS is going to be all around cheaper and give you more options but requires more 'up-keep'.
3.) They make MVS to AES converters for playing MVS carts on the AES, but are fairly expensive and not compatible with some multicarts.
4.) Multislot cabs and multislot boards are NOT JAMMA, but a variation that has stereo sound. Only the single slot boards, and cabs are JAMMA. Some single slot boards however are capable of outputing stereo via a header on the board or a 2.5mm headphone jack.

[Medic_wheat]

As a neo-geo guy I want to clear a few things up from this thread.

1.) If you go MVS, try to avoid 4 and 6 slot boards. They are notorious for issues, especially the 6 slot boards.
2.) MVS is going to be all around cheaper and give you more options but requires more 'up-keep'.
3.) They make MVS to AES converters for playing MVS carts on the AES, but are fairly expensive and not compatible with some multicarts.
4.) Multislot cabs and multislot boards are NOT JAMMA, but a variation that has stereo sound. Only the single slot boards, and cabs are JAMMA. Some single slot boards however are capable of outputing stereo via a header on the board or a 2.5mm headphone jack.

I guess I should one day invest in a MVS to AES converter so I can get more use out of my AES system.........and memory card

but I am such a tight wad! ........

[jtucci31]

3.) They make MVS to AES converters for playing MVS carts on the AES, but are fairly expensive and not compatible with some multicarts.

What would you recommend as the best one? I've seen a bunch and always here a mix of things about them. The Daedalus looked good but seems expensive and apparently the guy was ripping people off from what i heard. Something weird of the sorts

[BlueBMW]

....the guy was ripping people off from what i heard. Something weird of the sorts

Isnt that to be expected when it comes to Neo Geo stuff?

[Medic_wheat]

3.) They make MVS to AES converters for playing MVS carts on the AES, but are fairly expensive and not compatible with some multicarts.

What would you recommend as the best one? I've seen a bunch and always here a mix of things about them. The Daedalus looked good but seems expensive and apparently the guy was ripping people off from what i heard. Something weird of the sorts

I want to hear more. 


But I dibt want to research. 


Someone tell us the chesmi

[pulstar]

4.) Multislot cabs and multislot boards are NOT JAMMA, but a variation that has stereo sound. Only the single slot boards, and cabs are JAMMA. Some single slot boards however are capable of outputing stereo via a header on the board or a 2.5mm headphone jack.

Pretty easy to solve this by an adapter (either MVS > JAMMA, or vice versa). 6 Slots are definitely the most failure prone (2 6 slots, 2 with faults), but the 4 slots I've had have always been solid.

The best MVS converter, IMO, is the MVS Magic Key. The latest version has very good compatibility and the scaling issue has been fixed. It also has region changing and a cheat menu built-in.

[cr8zykuban0]

I love both versions.  if you are on a budget, go for mvs. if you got the money, go for aes. I collect for aes, mvs and cd. aes is expensive but there are still good deals to be found on aes games if you are patient

[EvilEvoIX]

I have an AES and 22 games, it's getting stupid expensive though and I wouldn't recommend an AES these days unless you are looking to spend serious coin.  $900 for a 4 slot is crazy expensive, I got mine for half that with six games.  Looking into an Mvs and a multicart, cheapest way to get the full experience for the least amount of cash.

[esteban]

Nah, there are no boots. Btw, I have a US Aero Fighters 3 AES I'd like to sell you. $30,000 OK?

Don't joke about things like that. Someone might think you're serious and offer you a cash deal

Damn, wish it weren't a joke.

Ya really don't:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?236232-The-Final-Chapter-of-the-Fake-Aerofighters-3-I-Need-your-help-%28-NGDEV-TEAM-161-in1-ETC%29

Q: why haven't I been here for a few days?
A: I was reading that STUPID THREAD at n-g.com forums. Fake Aerofighters 3. I read all 46 pages of that garbage. Honestly, I don't know why. I will never do that again.

[o.pwuaioc]

Q: why haven't I been here for a few days?
A: I was reading that STUPID THREAD at n-g.com forums. Fake Aerofighters 3. I read all 46 pages of that garbage. Honestly, I don't know why. I will never do that again.

Just wait until you find out that there are other threads connected to it. Rest easy, though, since of all the hilarious scandals to come out of N-G.com, this one takes the cake.

[TheClash603]

Q: why haven't I been here for a few days?
A: I was reading that STUPID THREAD at n-g.com forums. Fake Aerofighters 3. I read all 46 pages of that garbage. Honestly, I don't know why. I will never do that again.

Please summarize what you read in no less than 27 pages of posts, but no more than 29 pages.

[esteban]

Q: why haven't I been here for a few days?
A: I was reading that STUPID THREAD at n-g.com forums. Fake Aerofighters 3. I read all 46 pages of that garbage. Honestly, I don't know why. I will never do that again.

Just wait until you find out that there are other threads connected to it. Rest easy, though, since of all the hilarious scandals to come out of N-G.com, this one takes the cake.

Damn! Other threads...crap, I gotta read them. I was actually starting to become curious about the history of some folks involved....you could tell it was total soap opera.

Also: DID TONK EVER SURFACE? Ever?

I'm serious.


So, yeah, post some links, to anything, because clearly I'm addicted now. Ha! 

Q: why haven't I been here for a few days?
A: I was reading that STUPID THREAD at n-g.com forums. Fake Aerofighters 3. I read all 46 pages of that garbage. Honestly, I don't know why. I will never do that again.

Please summarize what you read in no less than 27 pages of posts, but no more than 29 pages.

Hahahahahahahahaha! 

I can't believe how dysfunctional Internet forums are. Folks have such a desire for drama.

[majors]

Loose and dirty

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Neo collecting for the poor.

[Medic_wheat]

Is that SSV Specual real or a bootleg?

[ToyMachine78]

Loose and dirty

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Neo collecting for the poor.

Is that a HAL 9000 or just a garage door opener?

[cr8zykuban0]

Loose and dirty

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damn, such a shame that those labels have seen better days but a good amount of games nonetheness

ooooh nice cps2 games down there

Neo collecting for the poor.

Is that a HAL 9000 or just a garage door opener?

[EvilEvoIX]

An AES with a proper Converter and a multicart can be the cheapest way now, a decent used AES is around $250-$350.  The converter is gona cost you but now some of them have built in BIOS now.  An AES outputs RGB right out of the box so SCART to a RGB converter and your set like a turbo Vette.

A consolidated 1 Slot may be a good way to go as well, but it's so nice to have an AES with a huge Cartridge Sticking out of it, very nice system to look at.

[Medic_wheat]

An AES with a proper Converter and a multicart can be the cheapest way now, a decent used AES is around $250-$350.  The converter is gona cost you but now some of them have built in BIOS now.  An AES outputs RGB right out of the box so SCART to a RGB converter and your set like a turbo Vette.

A consolidated 1 Slot may be a good way to go as well, but it's so nice to have an AES with a huge Cartridge Sticking out of it, very nice system to look at.

Some of the CMVS kits made are pretty nice to look at as well..

that Omega is one I particually like and would have gone with if I had not bought the all wood CMVS one I initaly bought that thrusted me into all that is Neo Geo......

[CrackTiger]

An AES with a proper Converter and a multicart can be the cheapest way now, a decent used AES is around $250-$350.  The converter is gona cost you but now some of them have built in BIOS now.  An AES outputs RGB right out of the box so SCART to a RGB converter and your set like a turbo Vette.

A consolidated 1 Slot may be a good way to go as well, but it's so nice to have an AES with a huge Cartridge Sticking out of it, very nice system to look at.

The RGB output in AES systems is inconsistent. Even if you get one with better RGB output, it's supposed to still get better with a mod. Conveters are also all over the place and pricey. If AES systems are really that expensive now, then it would be cheaper just to buy an Omega cmvs and not deal with all the extra cables and potential issues. It looks and feels nice and won't scratch or crack so easily and looks much better without a transcoder and second power supply hanging off the back.

[jtucci31]

An AES with a proper Converter and a multicart can be the cheapest way now, a decent used AES is around $250-$350.  The converter is gona cost you but now some of them have built in BIOS now.  An AES outputs RGB right out of the box so SCART to a RGB converter and your set like a turbo Vette.

A consolidated 1 Slot may be a good way to go as well, but it's so nice to have an AES with a huge Cartridge Sticking out of it, very nice system to look at.

The RGB output in AES systems is inconsistent. Even if you get one with better RGB output, it's supposed to still get better with a mod. Conveters are also all over the place and pricey. If AES systems are really that expensive now, then it would be cheaper just to buy an Omega cmvs and not deal with all the extra cables and potential issues. It looks and feels nice and won't scratch or crack so easily and looks much better without a transcoder and second power supply hanging off the back.

With that Omega CMVS, can you still use the normal AES stick? And the NGCD pad as well? Always wondered that and never really knew, because then with the Omega, you'd just need some sort of controller if it didn't already come with it.

I have also seen some Omegas with or without the memory card capabilities. Along with rgb/s-vid mods. I've been thinking about getting an Omega CMVS, they look nice and seem to have everything i would want (as i stated though, if it had it all built in. Unibios as well? Not sure)

[Medic_wheat]

An AES with a proper Converter and a multicart can be the cheapest way now, a decent used AES is around $250-$350.  The converter is gona cost you but now some of them have built in BIOS now.  An AES outputs RGB right out of the box so SCART to a RGB converter and your set like a turbo Vette.

A consolidated 1 Slot may be a good way to go as well, but it's so nice to have an AES with a huge Cartridge Sticking out of it, very nice system to look at.

The RGB output in AES systems is inconsistent. Even if you get one with better RGB output, it's supposed to still get better with a mod. Conveters are also all over the place and pricey. If AES systems are really that expensive now, then it would be cheaper just to buy an Omega cmvs and not deal with all the extra cables and potential issues. It looks and feels nice and won't scratch or crack so easily and looks much better without a transcoder and second power supply hanging off the back.

With that Omega CMVS, can you still use the normal AES stick? And the NGCD pad as well? Always wondered that and never really knew, because then with the Omega, you'd just need some sort of controller if it didn't already come with it.

I have also seen some Omegas with or without the memory card capabilities. Along with rgb/s-vid mods. I've been thinking about getting an Omega CMVS, they look nice and seem to have everything i would want (as i stated though, if it had it all built in. Unibios as well? Not sure)

I want to say that MOST of the CMVS conversons I have seen

mostly the Omega (which you can buy just the shel minus the NEO GEO One Slot if you preffer) and the Analouge CMVS support the AES controller, and the Neo Geo CD controller as they are the same plugs.

The Analouge CMVS does not support the memory card that the AES used (and the MVS Arcades), but you can buy one with a memory card in the system or send an older CMVS (before they made the "slim" model) to have their memeory card put in for game saves and I think Bios save states.  I will need to do this one day as I bought the first run of their CMVS before the slim model or the memory card option.

I am not to too familiour with the Omega but if you go/join the Neo Geo Forums the creator/seller of the Omega has a thread and is very approchable if you have questions.

If you do deside to go the MVS route you'll enjoy it....it can be customized to suit your needs, and looks really good in any gaming room.  The games are also much more affordable, and like the AES just be carefull .....do research on the game and compair the game boards to verify if it is a boot copy or a legit copy....

I have also found going MVS allows me to just keep the arcade verson and not mess with any ports of the games that honestly couldn't handle the games like an arcade could. 

I did buy some of the SNK compilations for the Wii and Xbox, but that is because these (to me) are perfect arcade ports/emulations that make wantign to play a compilation of games easyer then useing my MVS at times.  Although I am still missing the Wii port of the Metal Slug franchies...I need to pick that up one day, but I keep waiting to find it in the wild....might just ebay it if I can find a good bundle deal on some other Wii games I am still looking to add to my Wii Library.

[CrackTiger]

Most CMVS I've seen use Neo Geo controller ports. I have two Saturn pads that I had modified for Neo Geo that I combined the shell of skeletal pads with black/grey buttons for. My Omega has a single AV port like a modern console and has an s-video and component set of cables. So there's only ever a single cable for AV and it uses a power cord like a PC. It also has a newer revision of unibios. Even if you don't care about customizing games, unibios is a must have just for sound tests. The body feels like sturdy arcade plastic and swapping carts is no problem. I was always afraid of pushing a thumb through my AES when swapping out games.

[EvilEvoIX]

What would be the cheapest way to get a proper Neo Geo Setup these days?  Obviously not the Neo Geo X or tehzz Romzz!!1! but a real setup?  Man I wish I still had my Super Gun and single slot, that was an easy setup.

[Medic_wheat]

What would be the cheapest way to get a proper Neo Geo Setup these days?  Obviously not the Neo Geo X or tehzz Romzz!!1! but a real setup?  Man I wish I still had my Super Gun and single slot, that was an easy setup.

Cheapest?

Steal one?

J/K

I'd say cheapest would be to get a one-slot and super gun (or make a super gun) and game on from there.

after that you could always upgrad the one-slot to an Omega.

Most expensive as far as CMVS goes would be Analouge.  Great quality, and I love it but a bit pricy....it was one of the few times I ever went with the more high dollar set up. 


then of course the MOST expensive and less likely for most of use now a days would be AES. Which is why my AES just sort of sits there as a unique item that gets almost no use or love.....sigh...tear tear..cry cry..hush hush eye to eye....

[BlueBMW]

I sold my AES for that very reason.... Most of the games I wanted to play I had on MVS or CD already so the poor AES just sat there unused...  Had to let it go

[Medic_wheat]

I sold my AES for that very reason.... Most of the games I wanted to play I had on MVS or CD already so the poor AES just sat there unused...  Had to let it go

I am THIS close to sell mine off......as I would rather it get some use..maybe as a back up for someone with a AES collectin.

But I keep holding out thinking/hoping a Everdrive AES cart will be made......that would be SO COOL.

I would feel like Doctor Octavious from Spiderman 2 "The power of the sun in the palm of my hands!"

Honestly the ONLY Spiderman movie I liked that had Tobby in it.....

[CrackTiger]

Same with me. I kept me AES for a while after getting a CMVS, but it just wasn't worth using or dropping a bunch of cash into to get close to the performance of my first CMVS. And that's totally independant of the price/availability between the actual games.

I kept my Neo Geo CD though. It's cool having unique versions of games and worth having just for SSRPG.

[ToyMachine78]

Are AES consoles and games region locked?

[ToyMachine78]

NM. Looks like its region free

[CrackTiger]

NM. Looks like its region free

I believe that a regular unmodded AES system will only play one region's version, even though the full game is in the rom. So if you buy a cheap Japanese version of a game and play it on a North American system you'd wind up with the censored version of the game. Kinda like early Genesis games.

Installing multibios will let you customize the game however you like though.

[ToyMachine78]

Well looking at getting a system, and about all on eBay are Japanese. I read on a neo geo Faq that they are region Free. Any aes cart will play on any aes. What about MVS to aes? That needs a converter right?

[Medic_wheat]

Well looking at getting a system, and about all on eBay are Japanese. I read on a neo geo Faq that they are region Free. Any aes cart will play on any aes. What about MVS to aes? That needs a converter right?

Yes they need a converter


And double yes on the region locking early posted

[ToyMachine78]

Well looking at getting a system, and about all on eBay are Japanese. I read on a neo geo Faq that they are region Free. Any aes cart will play on any aes. What about MVS to aes? That needs a converter right?

Yes they need a converter


And double yes on the region locking early posted

OK so Aes JP cant play on AES US?

[Ninja16608]

Your all wrong, AES will play any cart JP or US. I own both a JP and a US system, Yes both roms are on the cart and the language it plays in is determined by the system (IE. US system English text) the only thing you need a converter for is to play MVS on an AES.

[pulstar]

As said above, AES and MVS are completely region free, they will default to the language of the BIOS (so if you buy a JP machine and buy a US cart, the game will still be in Japanese). With the MVS converter the same principle applies.

[NecroPhile]

Your all wrong, AES will play any cart JP or US. I own both a JP and a US system, Yes both roms are on the cart and the language it plays in is determined by the system (IE. US system English text)...

Isn't that exactly what Black Tiger stated?

[EvilEvoIX]

How is this so hard to understand?

[ccovell]

Because long sentences and paragraphs confuse certain people.  :-P

Short: "No region lockout; language is a hardware setting."

[ToyMachine78]

Does the UniBios allow the AES to play MVS carts?