Ginga Fukei Densetsu : Sapphire & Arcade Card

SchattenJager0 · 07/03/2006, 05:15 AM

Hello all, this is my first post on this awesome board, and I think i'll be kicking it off right by announcing that I bought Sapphire and an Arcade Card (both sealed) on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&item=150005128064&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

(yes, the high bidder 'turbografxgamer' is me)

Before you begin to cringe, be advised that I'm well aware of all the 'alternate', 'bootleg, and 'second run' copies of sapphire and I am willing to accept the fact that this is one of them. =) and seeing as how I'd like to get back into collecting TG/PCE items, i think Sapphire is a good item to start with. ;)

I was curious though, was there ever solid evidence leaning toward if these 'copies' were actually legit second runs from Hudson, or if they are just simply "fanboy bootlegs" trying to "spread the love" of the game?

I've read many posts on these boards, including the excellent in depth comparisons from the real copy to the fake copy of sapphire compiled by CrackTiger (kudos).

I'm happy to find other die hard PCE/TG fans! =D

p.s. is it bad that i listen to the sapphire soundtrack in my car?

bsl · 07/03/2006, 06:39 AM

Quote from: SchattenJager0I think Sapphire is a good item to start with. ;)

Its worth nothing cause its a Copy, i think Collectors would like to have the original Version.

Quote from: SchattenJager0I was curious though, was there ever solid evidence leaning toward if these 'copies' were actually legit second runs from Hudson, or if they are just simply "fanboy bootlegs" trying to "spread the love" of the game?

Theres nothing legit at these Copys.
Its just an ISO burned on a CD-R and a faked Cover, thats it.

grahf · 07/03/2006, 09:08 AM

BSL, its not a CDR. you are mistaken.
SchattenJager0, welcome to the board. What games are you planning on picking up next?

bsl · 07/03/2006, 10:19 AM

Quote from: grahfBSL, its not a CDR. you are mistaken.

Would should it be then?
Its a Copy from the original Sapphire CD.

grendelrt · 07/03/2006, 10:59 AM

Quote from: grahfBSL, its not a CDR. you are mistaken.
SchattenJager0, welcome to the board. What games are you planning on picking up next?

Are they pressed CDs grahf? You sparked my attention =)

bsl · 07/03/2006, 11:10 AM

Ah sorry, can someone delete that Post pls?

Tatsujin · 07/03/2006, 11:41 AM

it's a copy of the copy! nothing else! there is only one original! face it ;)

SchattenJager0 · 07/03/2006, 03:05 PM

Alrighty... well all the talk about this being just a 'copy' didnt really answer my question as to whether these are Hudson endorsed '2nd prints' or not. =P

I know its not an ORIGINAL. Even Mike Tyson's Punchout was re-released by Nintendo on NES with different packaging. Was it the ORIGINAL? NO. but it was the same game, and anyone who owned a copy of the re-release would say he does own the game, but not the original. I'm kinda feeling that what this whole Sapphire situation is like. The only loophole though, seems to be that no one is positive if these Sapphire reprints are actually Hudson prods, or just some jerkoff with a really good printer.

Anyway, due to an original's rarity, these alternative versions are as close as some people are going to be able to get ::points at self:: Where would i even look to buy an original? It seems people selling the other one do not even know its not an original.

Believe me I want an orignal (hell, who doesnt).

At any rate, I dont want to start off on the wrong foot here by getting everyone up in arms about Sapphire copies. =) If we all just wanted ANY working form of a game, we could all just have emulators. =P

Quote from: grahfWhat games are you planning on picking up next?

I'm actually going to try to get my hands on anything since I dont have much to begin with =)

bsl · 07/03/2006, 04:07 PM

Quote from: SchattenJager0Alrighty... well all the talk about this being just a 'copy' didnt really answer my question as to whether these are Hudson endorsed '2nd prints' or not. =P

Its nothing from Hudson, no 2nd Print or whatever, its a Bootleg.

MottZilla · 07/03/2006, 10:58 PM

Yup. It's an illegal reproduction, however it's quality is much higher than your typical bootleg or lame CDR with a label printed on it. It was actually factory made so it does have some value because you couldn't have made that yourself. Anyone could print crap up and burn a CDR.

I think that's the point behind the Sapphire bootleg being desirable to pickup. I would get one too. But for me I wouldn't pay more than 5 or 10 dollars.

TR0N · 07/03/2006, 11:54 PM

Quote from: Tatsujinit's a copy of the copy! nothing else! there is only one original! face it ;)

SchattenJager0 · 07/04/2006, 12:30 AM

Thanks to all for your feedback pertaining to this sale. I picked up an extra copy just to have it. I think this is as close to the real thing as im going to get for now ;)

Thanks! I'll let you know how well this looks when it arrives.

grahf · 07/04/2006, 01:46 AM

I think the important thing is that its an actual pressing, so it should last quite a bit longer than your average CDR. Im probably going to pick one up myself in the future.

Tatsujin · 07/05/2006, 12:23 AM

anyway it's all about a 100% pirate soft and shouldn't be supported by buying it! especially not from purists PC Engine lovers, which we are all in here, i believe ;)

roger and over!

SchattenJager0 · 07/05/2006, 01:36 AM

Sorry Tatsujin, but not everyone is lucky enough to have an original =P

besides, I didnt buy it to 'support piracy'. At the time I bought it I wasnt even sure of its authenticity, so dont be accusative.

Original or not, I bought it because its a great game and its nice to have a tangible version of the game to display on a shelf or slip in a CD rack.

Anyway, I'm sorry my 'welcome' thread sparked some disagreements.

Tatsujin · 07/05/2006, 04:24 AM

it's not all about that. if you wasn't sure then it's ok

. but i recommend to everyone who hasen't the possibility to buy an original at the moment, rather get it for free from the net than buy a phoney copy from our chinese pirate friends, which just gives them again futher possibilities to produce more and more of that or some other crap

SignOfZeta · 07/05/2006, 08:34 AM

Quote from: Tatsujinanyway it's all about a 100% pirate soft and shouldn't be supported by buying it! especially not from purists PC Engine lovers, which we are all in here, i believe ;)

roger and over!

No sane person will ever own an original Sapphire. All these copies do is lower the price of the original, and since I'm not some game broker or some shit I don't care at all about that.

However I can't imagine myself paying good money for a bootleg either. Bootlegs are one thing, but paying bootleggers actual cash...something is messed up about that. With me its either original, or CD-R, and right now my collection is %100 original.

grendelrt · 07/05/2006, 10:33 AM

So if these bootlegs are factory made pressed CDs, then does that mean they dont have the same issues as normal CDRs on a real TGCD/Duo.

Seldane · 07/05/2006, 10:58 AM

Quote from: grendelrtSo if these bootlegs are factory made pressed CDs, then does that mean they dont have the same issues as normal CDRs on a real TGCD/Duo.

That's exactly right. These games are more or less identical to the original games, only they aren't original games.

grendelrt · 07/05/2006, 12:21 PM

Well then I would definitely see some people picking these up as play copies. I know a lot of people who have a $350 game would be scared of scratching it. Whats another 50 bucks lol But then again, I play what I buy, not so much a collector for preservation but a collector to play.

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Ginga Fukei Densetsu : Sapphire & Arcade Card