Advice needed on MVS

Arkhan Asylum · 07/29/2015, 04:18 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/29/2015, 02:56 PMDoesn't Nam 1975 natively have unlimited continues? Maybe I'm thinking of every other Neo Geo game.

I bet real Nam vets wish there were unlimited continues.

EvilEvoIX · 07/29/2015, 04:28 PM

Nothing pedestrian about owning a MVS, but if you have the Room I highly recommend a Big Red cabinet. A consolized unit is OK but you loose the Arcade experience. I've had a Big Red since 2003 and it always gets use especially with the Multicarts. The issue now is that MVS carts are still expensive however great deals can still be found and compared to AES carts it's pennies on the dollar. In terms of reliability the rule of thumb is the more slots you have the less reliablity. 6-slots being the worst. I have had a 2-Slot and a 4-Slot and I reccomend the 4 slot. It is finicky at times but with proper care and cleaning it's nice to see your arcade unit cycle through 4 games vs 2 or 1. Single slots generally have MONO out but can be modded for Stereo.

I see that you have a super gun, the cheapest way to go would be getting a single slot board because some are Jamma compliant but then mono sound.

Good luck and look for a Big Red, great investment.

EvilEvoIX · 07/29/2015, 04:29 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/29/2015, 02:56 PMDoesn't Nam 1975 natively have unlimited continues? Maybe I'm thinking of every other Neo Geo game.

It does until the final boss which you have to beat without losing all your lives. Can't credit feed that one.

CrackTiger · 07/30/2015, 07:36 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/28/2015, 08:01 PMNah he wants to know what you're getting. He told me to specify 1f as that one works on the 1fS as well. Otherwise he would have been like "LOL it doesn't matter u fag u st00pid n00b lol just get any of dem and dey will work it duzzent matter st00pid". I dunno. But I asked and got an answer and that made me happy.

Anyway yeah, gotta have a Unibios. The sound test, like Black Tiger said, is priceless. A sound test in EVERY Neo Geo game? Hell yeah sign me up. And bypassing SNK's stupid censorship of blood in the US (which I could NEVER understand) is definitely worth it as well. Too bad it can't restore the opening intro for Magician Lord that's in the home version, but I have that on the AES anyway.

MVS and AES roms are the same, similar to early Genesis/Mega Drive games. If you want to see the Magician Lord intro on your cmvs, just switch it to Console mode.

Some format-exclusive games might not have any differences between modes, but I'm guessing that every game short of the sticker booth was developed for home and arcade and whether it wound up at either was up to the publisher.

ToyMachine78 · 07/30/2015, 08:16 PM

Quote from: geise on 07/26/2015, 06:55 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/26/2015, 12:34 AMWell I ordered an MVS MV1FS. Do I just get a UNIBIOS chip from Razoola's site, eject the current BIOS, toss in the trash after stomping on it a few times and then just pop the Razoola chip in? What is the best method for obtaining a UNIBIOS? I heard there was a guy on the Neo Geo forums called Kenny or some shit...
LOL. You don't need to have a unibios. That's only for people that want to use the jukebox for music or see Mai's bounce animation in kof2003. I keep mine stock.

Doesn't the unibios chip just snap down on top of the existing chip?

ToyMachine78 · 07/30/2015, 08:18 PM

Quote from: guest on 07/27/2015, 10:06 AMAlso, if you suck at games sometimes, the cheats are pretty nice.

Amen. That's about the only way I can defeat Billy in RBFF special. That mofo is tough!

ToyMachine78 · 07/30/2015, 08:19 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/29/2015, 02:56 PMDoesn't Nam 1975 natively have unlimited continues? Maybe I'm thinking of every other Neo Geo game.

Yes. Or Else I never would have completed it lol

PunkCryborg · 07/30/2015, 08:30 PM

Quote from: guest on 07/30/2015, 08:16 PM
Quote from: geise on 07/26/2015, 06:55 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/26/2015, 12:34 AMWell I ordered an MVS MV1FS. Do I just get a UNIBIOS chip from Razoola's site, eject the current BIOS, toss in the trash after stomping on it a few times and then just pop the Razoola chip in? What is the best method for obtaining a UNIBIOS? I heard there was a guy on the Neo Geo forums called Kenny or some shit...
LOL. You don't need to have a unibios. That's only for people that want to use the jukebox for music or see Mai's bounce animation in kof2003. I keep mine stock.
Doesn't the unibios chip just snap down on top of the existing chip?

No, you remove the mask rom chip and put the unibios eprom in its place

EvilEvoIX · 07/30/2015, 08:32 PM

Unibios does a LOT. You can get multiple AES and MVS Settings with languages. Yes Juke box, controller tests, Hardware tests, and MVS Dip Switch settings as well which is neat. You also get a built in cheat data base which is cool as well.

Money well spent.

ToyMachine78 · 07/30/2015, 09:02 PM

Quote from: PunkCryborg on 07/30/2015, 08:30 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/30/2015, 08:16 PM
Quote from: geise on 07/26/2015, 06:55 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/26/2015, 12:34 AMWell I ordered an MVS MV1FS. Do I just get a UNIBIOS chip from Razoola's site, eject the current BIOS, toss in the trash after stomping on it a few times and then just pop the Razoola chip in? What is the best method for obtaining a UNIBIOS? I heard there was a guy on the Neo Geo forums called Kenny or some shit...
LOL. You don't need to have a unibios. That's only for people that want to use the jukebox for music or see Mai's bounce animation in kof2003. I keep mine stock.
Doesn't the unibios chip just snap down on top of the existing chip?
No, you remove the mask rom chip and put the unibios eprom in its place

Well there's a chip on my omega that you snap on top of the existing chip. Coulda sworn it was the bios.

PunkCryborg · 07/30/2015, 10:26 PM

Quote from: guest on 07/30/2015, 09:02 PMWell there's a chip on my omega that you snap on top of the existing chip. Coulda sworn it was the bios.

That's a Neo Bios Masta which is only for MV1C and MV1B boards that have a surface mount Bios. That mod disables the original bios and allows you to install a 16bit eprom in it's place. The adapter board snaps on top of the CPU. Before that mod became available you had to wire 42 pins from the small surface mount bios to the eprom! That isn't relevant to Joe's set up though since his board is a simple socketed bios

ToyMachine78 · 07/30/2015, 10:27 PM

Cool! Thanks for clarifying!

ccovell · 07/31/2015, 03:57 AM

Quote from: guest on 07/30/2015, 07:36 PMMVS and AES roms are the same, similar to early Genesis/Mega Drive games. If you want to see the Magician Lord intro on your cmvs, just switch it to Console mode.

No, Magician Lord and some other games actually are different code-wise between the MVS and AES versions. Unfortunately, Magician Lord MVS has no intro, no matter the machine settings:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?210049-Magician-Lord-cart-owner-please-read-and-answer-this

CrackTiger · 07/31/2015, 07:44 AM

Quote from: ccovell on 07/31/2015, 03:57 AM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 07/30/2015, 07:36 PMMVS and AES roms are the same, similar to early Genesis/Mega Drive games. If you want to see the Magician Lord intro on your cmvs, just switch it to Console mode.
No, Magician Lord and some other games actually are different code-wise between the MVS and AES versions. Unfortunately, Magician Lord MVS has no intro, no matter the machine settings:

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?210049-Magician-Lord-cart-owner-please-read-and-answer-this

Can anyone link to a video of the missing intro then?

My MVS Magician Lord only has an intro cinema when running in Console mode. It's the only intro cinematic from the game I've ever seen online.

That neo-geo.com thread makes it sound like some early AES games have rom revisions.

ccovell · 07/31/2015, 09:31 AM

Ah, OK... well to be more precise, that thread suggests that Japanese MVS and rental-only games are probably the early versions, and US AES games might be a mixed bag. I can't confirm anything about US games, but my Japanese MVS Magician Lord has no intro at all.

Joe Redifer · 08/03/2015, 05:07 PM

My MVS arrived! No games yet. It boots up to the grid pattern which is good. No Unibios yet but that's fine since I have no games. Multicart on its way. But the multicart doesn't have Metal Slug 5!!! PISSER! Oh wait... I already own the standalone JAMMA PCB of that one. I take back my piss.

jtucci31 · 08/03/2015, 05:57 PM

Which multi cart did you get? When the time comes, I need to check over the games list carefully.

Joe Redifer · 08/03/2015, 07:12 PM

161-in-1. It was by far the most convenient. I think it's also the best deal for what you get. The 131-in-1 may have slightly more unique games but I don't wanna deal with its slow-ass loading times and dongle nonsense. 95 unique games on the 161-in-1 is pretty awesome. The Neo Geo forum says 97 games but they are counting Korean versions of a couple of games.

GohanX · 08/03/2015, 07:57 PM

If you pair the 161 with a 120 in one you'll have damn near every neo game worth playing.

PunkCryborg · 08/03/2015, 08:15 PM

The loading times are a little annoying but I gotta say the interface for the 138 in 1 menu is great. There's screenshots of all the games and they are organized very nicely with little fluff games. It's great for friends coming over who wanna browse through games especially. I don't mind the sub board really and I love being able to play Twinkle Star Sprites in my cab.

Joe Redifer · 08/04/2015, 07:51 PM

Quote from: JKM on 08/03/2015, 07:57 PMIf you pair the 161 with a 120 in one you'll have damn near every neo game worth playing.

Good to know. I'll keep that in mind, thanks!

xcrement5x · 08/04/2015, 09:41 PM

Quote from: PunkCryborg on 08/03/2015, 08:15 PMThe loading times are a little annoying but I gotta say the interface for the 138 in 1 menu is great. There's screenshots of all the games and they are organized very nicely with little fluff games. It's great for friends coming over who wanna browse through games especially. I don't mind the sub board really and I love being able to play Twinkle Star Sprites in my cab.

Yeah, I'd really like to get a 138 at some point for some of the more distinct games on it like Money Puzzle Exchanger.

EvilEvoIX · 08/05/2015, 09:58 AM

Game sack episode, review all the hacks and their differences over the original.

escarioth · 08/05/2015, 12:02 PM

manage to get a 138-in-1 for cheap...but damn.. i'm quite unlucky with the MVS board

Joe Redifer · 08/14/2015, 02:12 AM

My 161-in-1 FINALLY arrived from a rather unscrupulous eBay seller by the handle of 1234kara. Basically when you order from him, he then orders from a site called Holland Computers. He waits for the item to arrive at his place and then ships it out to you. This causes super-slow shipping after you order your item and obviously a much-increased price. PCEngineHell lives to ream these kind of guys. He accidentally left the invoice from Holland Computers in the package he sent me. So if you want a 161-in-1, go to http://www.hollandcomputers.com/ and search for MVS in their online store and they have them for $89.95. Oh and this shitty-ass eBay seller doesn't even leave feedback for others. I called him out on it on a eBay message but I have yet to leave feedback for him. He hasn't gotten a negative yet but he just might.

Anyway, I finally have a game to try in my MVS. Works great! I'm using the Supergun controller ports because the D button works fine surprisingly. The controller ports on the MVS itself are either backwards (right being player one) or broken... or I'm an idiot let's not rule that out. I'll have to try again as it seemed like the 2nd player controller port was the one able to navigate through the menu.

I'd still like to get a few legit MVS games just because. Maybe a Waku Waku 7. Maybe a Twinkle Star Sprites. Maybe a Ninja Combat. I dunno, but I'd like to have a few.

SephirothTNH · 08/14/2015, 02:20 AM

Thanks for the source on the 161 in 1. I've been thinking about picking one up for a while.